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Past UKIP Chairman’s Excoriating Comment on UKIP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/11/2013

Past UKIP Chairman‘s Excoriating Comment on UKIP
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Past UKIP Chairman’s Excoriating Comment on UKIP! By no means the first such denunciation of UKIP by past executives of Farage’s Party!

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Hi,you may well find the comments of a past Chairman of UKIP of interest:

Niall is absolutely correct in stating that UKIP should have produced an entry for the Brexit competition.

UKIP let every member down when it failed to do anything of note to fight the Lisbon Treaty.Indeed Farage is on record as stating in the NEC meeting that the Conservatives should be left to deal with it ! Neither did it produce a competent petition to trigger a debate in Parliament on a referendum,that was left to Nikki Sincalir and others and to the Express.

So sadly this lack of action by the party is par for the course.It cannot simply leave action to party members on an ad hoc basis .The whole point of a party is to organise the membership,provide leadership ,produce useful ideas and strategies and accurate written work.Doesn`t seem to be happening does it?

To view the original as posted on the internet CLICK HERE

& to quote from the same thread on the UKIP controlled thread the comments of a past UKIP Wales Chairman, Chairman of UKIP’s Cheltenham branch and ex UKIP Head Office manager:

Finishing most posts with ‘UKIP is not fit for purpose’ is a strapline that is worth repeating until it sinks in.

I do paste other’s articles and the substance and questions that need addressing are in them.

UKIP is at best standing still, by any serious analysis, and what little it is said to be achieving, on the edges of our politics, would have been achieved back in 2007 when UKIP had the same membership as today.

Now take the absolute failure of UKIP MEPs. Of 13 elected in 2009 we have only 8 left which is now 9 with the addition of the Tory Helmer.

So 5 have left or been ‘got rid of’ so if that is your definition of success it sums you up!

Then of the 8 UKIP MEP’s left who ever hears of Dartmouth,Bufton,Clark or Colman?

Finally add NO official UKIP Brexit entry and you know FKEU I’m absolutely right – UKIP is NOT fit for purpose!

For those who have had the pleasure of not noting FKEU you will find he is one of the more unpleasant and damaging, to UKIP, trolls, who shelter their sneering and dishonest misrepresentations in a false identity; similar to such as SteveUKIP, Hartlepool and others who are too ashamed to put their name to their sabotage of UKIP’s efforts to appear principled, responsible and ethical (they are not alone!)
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Could UKIP’s apparent success prove catastrophic?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/05/2013

Could UKIP’s apparent success prove catastrophic?
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Could UKIP’s apparent success prove catastrophic?
Taking a hard look at the facts behind the results free of partisan media hype and party spin the results fall very short of real progress for EUroSceptics!

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Hi,

I am pleased to present yet another piece from the well informed and experienced political commentator Dr. Richard North:

UK politics: playing away

 Saturday 4 May 2013

000Mail 004-ele.jpgI will be in London today talking to the Campaign for an Independent Britain, on the general subject of “the way forward” for euroscepticism.


It will come as no surprise to readers of this blog that my list of things we must have in order successfully to secure an exit from the EU does not include the Farage Party, which is more and more looking like a cul-de-sac. And in a subliminal message which affirms that, we see the front page of the Daily Mail (left) where any news of the “great victory” is remarkably absent.

Unfashionable it may be to say in certain quarters, but to attract the support of 6-8 percent of the electorate in council elections (and 9.4 percent in a by-election) is not evidence of a wildly successful popular campaign. And this is less so when, with each passing election, the pool of engaged voters steadily diminishes, as evidenced by the declining turnouts.

As we have remarked before, the obsession with share of the vote, where turnout is in free fall, has the hallmarks of two bald men fighting over a comb – although it is more like a gang of people squabbling over its possession.

000Guardian 004-ele.jpgIt is perhaps appropriate, therefore, that the newspaper that makes the greatest front-page display of the Farage Party success is the loss-making Guardian. This left-wing newspaper is only too well aware that the only way of resuscitating the flagging Labour campaign is to big-up UKIP in the hope of damaging the Conservative Party.

Therein lies an uncomfortable truth. However, much it may protest otherwise, at its current level of support, when it has absorbed the transferable votes from the BNP, arising from the collapse of another one-man-band, by far the greater bulk of UKIP’s support comes from disaffected Conservatives.

Come the general election, which is the only election which matters to the political claque, the Left will certainly be egging on the “party of protest” in the expectation that it will continue to do disproportionate damage to the Right.

And, confronted with the challenge, Mr Cameron’s Conservatives will do whatever it takes to neutralise the threat. For, if Farage has succeeded in anything, he has certainly got the attention of the political classes.

The ironic thing is that the most immediate outcome of grabbing the Guardian front page is one of two possibilities – either the election of the Labour Party to office in the 2015 general election (with or without the Lib-Dems), or resurgent Conservatives who will most likely offer as the bribe to restore their fortunes an EU referendum that we cannot possibly win.

I would find this latter even doubly ironic – for UKIP to force upon the nation a referendum for which it is wholly unprepared, where it would be completely outflanked, then to saddle us with a lost vote which will set the eurosceptic movement back a generation.

But then, whatever else, Farage has never included amongst his attributes anything approaching tactical acumen or strategic planning. Right now, though, his dogged pursuit of a twenty-year-old game plan might now look on the threshold of a breakthrough. But the truth is that it has no better chance of success now than when he first scribbled it on the back of a beer-soaked bar mat, at the end of a boozy planning session.

Perhaps that “plan” emanated from the Grand Old Duke of York pub, because Farage is marching his troops to the top of the hill. Too soon, he will be marching them down again, back into the intellectual cul-de-sac from which his “cunning plan” originated.

And that is what I will be telling the CIB today, plus a few more home truths. Those views won’t necessarily be welcome, but I suspect there may be a few there capable of straight thinking and I won’t have to make a quick dash for the exit. We shall see.

Richard North 04/05/2013

To view the original article CLICK HERE.

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Greg_L-W..

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Farage’s UKIP sure knows how to damage EUroScepticism

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 11/02/2013

Farage’s UKIP sure knows how to damage EUroScepticism
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Nigel Farage the self serving leader UKIP sure knows how to damage The EUroSceptic movement in Britain – and at the end of the day the damage done may well lead to EUroSceptics failing to win the vote to Leave-The-EU in David Cameron‘s clearly fudged claims to be running a Referendum some time in the hazy distant future IF he is re-elected!!

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Is UKIP really a ‘Nigel Farage dictatorship’ rife with sexism?

by Mary Honeyball

11 February 2013

UKIP seems to be a party filled with anti-women sentient – it is a one man band and it is all about Nigel Farage, or so it certainly seems, claims Labour Party MEP “A woman’s place is cleaning behind the fridge.” Well that’s what they seem to believe in UKIP. Indeed, in 2004 UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom said just this and the events which unfolded last week shows little has changed in the intervening years since Bloom made such remarks.

It would be laughable if it was not so damaging, offensive and humiliating for those on the receiving end. So it is hardly a surprise to learn that the party’s only female MEP might have suffered alleged discrimination from within the party. But it was a surprise to see Marta Andreasen MEP launch a searing attack on the leader of the party Nigel ‘too much air time’ Farage.

She has said of Farage: “He doesn’t try to involve intelligent professional women in positions of responsibility in the party. He thinks women should be in the kitchen or in the bedroom.” Andreasen continued by telling the BBC (to view the article CLICK HERE) that she had been openly criticised by her party leader and other MEPs, claiming that this amounted to bullying.

“I’ve been bullied, in private situations, for decisions I have made by Nigel,” she said. “I have been accused of being disloyal, breaching confidence and breaching my contract with the party. There’s an attitude that either you keep silent about everything that’s been going on in the party or suffer the consequences.” Andreasen said she believed Farage – who was re-elected as leader in 2010 after standing down a year earlier to contest a Westminster seat – “did not like women” although this is purely her opinion and allegation.

I have appeared alongside Andreasen before on the BBC’s Newsnight programme and her views were some of the most thoughtful that I have seen come out of UKIP. We should give weight to what she says because what she is demonstrating is that UKIP seems to be a party filled with anti-women sentient. It is a one man band and it is all about Farage, or so it certainly seems.

Andreasen who, represents South East England in the European Parliament, has said she will not stand again. Still, this is a brave thing to do – to reveal a bullying culture at the highest level of the party while she is still in office and to do it so publically is courageous. She also claims in an interview with LondonlovesBusiness.com that Farage runs his party like some kind of dictatorship:

“Under his leadership – and I have questioned his leadership obviously a number of times – the party has become a dictatorship,” she said. “This is a Stalinist way of operating and he doesn’t care about the membership or the grassroots.”

We also should not forget former UKIP MEP Nikki Sinclaire – a lesbian, who won a sex discrimination case against her former colleagues on a default judgement at Exeter Employment Tribunal. This came after UKIP failed to lodge a defence. Sinclaire alleged that UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom had called her a “queer”. We can only draw our own conclusions from all of this..

To view the original article CLICK HERE

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The Sickening Hypocriscy of UKIP’s Claims!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/01/2013

The Sickening Hypocricy of UKIP’s Claims!
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Mea Culpa
I apologise for my poor posting record recently but have spent almost all of the time from 09-Jan > 27-Jan in hospital.
Fortunately unrelated directly to my battle with cancer since Nov-1998, which at the moment seems won, as my full body CT Scan last Thursday was showing absolutely no sign of cancer for the first time in 14 years.
Details, for those seeking the encouragement of the story of my survival against horrendous odds, will be on my health blog shortly.
I shall be heavily plagiarising the works of others (with permission, where required) to infill such gaps as seem apposite over the next few days – including Team Junius.
Thanks for the many messages of get well and the incredible support given to Lee by friends whilst I was in hospital.

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The Sickening Hypocriscy of UKIP’s Claims of having any part in achieving a Referendum!

UKIP has been a spectacular failure in domestic politics for lack of leadership of any competence & lack of visible gravitas, as they function as a One Man Band in utterly unprofessional style for the gain of a small clique feeding from the troughs on the EU gravy train!

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The Prime Minister’s Speech Has Made Today a Victory for Ukip

Posted: 23/01/2013 10:58

Nigel Farage’s blog spin in Huffington Post:

English: Nigel Farage.

 

The very fact that we are talking about the possibility of Britain leaving the European Union is Ukip’s biggest victory to date.

Even five years ago the thought of this issue being even discussed was an anathema and it is a great triumph for the tens of thousands of Ukip members and supporters that they have, through calm and passionate arguments, put it on the nation’s agenda.

Today we heard the skeleton of the ‘Yes’ side’s argument: how the prime minister will lead a Yes vote. It will be a campaign based on the 1970s ‘Common Market’ argument where we are bombarded with views on how essential the single market is to this country. Just as people thought they were voting on a trade deal back in 1975 they will be told that the EU is beneficial to this country and our economy.

But we know the clear benefits to being an independent, global country active on the world stage. We understand the opportunities from rediscovering our links with the Commonwealth and not only slashing the regulations to allow our own economy to flourish but engaging in free and fair trade with those countries being left reliant on aid by the protectionist measures of the EU and other trade blocs.

If David Cameron had promised a free and fair In/Out referendum during this parliament I would have cheered him. But we haven’t been offered that. Cast Iron Dave – who has a track record on denying the people the chance to have their say – will instead ask the public to forget recent history and trust a manifesto pledge.

It is clear the prime minister has been forced by public opinion to offer a referendum but it is also clear that the renegotiation he speaks of will be little more than lip service. EU leaders have been clear in their warnings to the prime minister that there cannot be an a la carte EU and recently proposed changes can be done without a new Treaty. This denies Mr Cameron the negotiating position he is insisting he has.

They might let us catch herrings in the Solent but not much more.

As far as Ukip goes, claims that there is no longer a need for us are nonsense. The genie is out of the bottle: the fight for our country’s liberty starts today and we are more relevant than ever.

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Greg L-WHi, UKIP dishonestly seek credit for Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum but looking at the facts they have done little towards achieving one.

UKIP did claim to hold a petition once but the £250K of tax payers money for the cause was never accounted for, seemingly trousered by Farage, Lott, Croucher and possibly others as no petition was ever presented!

They did nothing in Britain to oppose The EU’s new constitution which was rebranded The Lisbon Treaty!

They have done much to help The EU refusing to assist in campaigning for an In/Out Referendum, opposing the hugely successful efforts of Nikki Sinclaire and her team which gathered over 1/4M signatures for a debate in The House of Commons and a back bench rebellion, largely the force behind Cameron’s efforts to fudge a referendum. As it stands the referendum promised is of little validity and zero integrity.

The codicils to Cameron’s promise render his promise of no value as an IN/OUT referendum merely a sop to the majority in Britain who actively wish to Leave-The-EU.

It is only recently that UKIP have started to realise the route out of The EU is via article 50, until now they have attacked anyone who have endeavoured to lay out or even discuss the facts.

UKIP have done much harm to the EUroSceptic cause, with overt support of racism, anti homosexuality and undeniable bullying and lies in efforts to defame those telling the truth.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

9 minutes ago (11:09)

Lets see how many MP’s you get at the next election. If it’s anything more than zero I’d be amazed.

14:25 on 28/01/2013

MESSAGE TO FARAGE : Your delusions are doomed for failure…..stop wasting your time, and ours.

12:53 on 29/01/2013

Message to jamcreton; You are off message !… The People want to leave Europe, They demand their say. Let them vote, freely and fairly…then we will see exactly who is “delusional”..

1 second ago (13:20)

Hi,

although the people want to Leave-The-EU unfortunately UKIP failed to take any part in gainiong a referendum and clearly have failed to command any gravitas in political terms, being dependent on one man as the performing monkey but bereft of any signs of an organ grinder.

At the moment it is clear that the vote would go against the interestys of the people as salaries and scams will come to play in a referendum and the people are woefully ill informed and are likely to succumb to the scare tacticst of the well funded pro EU lobby and scoundrels like Mandelson, Branson and many more act6ing in personal self interest.

A referendum to Leave-The-EU would be lost based on the lies, spin, propaganda and self interest of political scoundrels and their parasites.

The NO Campaign has a long way to go!

Be minded of Frederic Bastiat’s wise caveat:
“The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skilfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended “.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Farage & UKIP’s Hypocricy re. Referendum

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/01/2013

Farage & UKIP’s Hypocricy re. Referendum
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Mea Culpa
I apologise for my poor posting record recently but have spent almost all of the time from 09-Jan > 27-Jan in hospital.
Fortunately unrelated directly to my battle with cancer since Nov-1998, which at the moment seems won, as my full body CT Scan last Thursday was showing absolutely no sign of cancer for the first time in 14 years.
Details, for those seeking the encouragement of the story of my survival against horrendous odds, will be on my health blog shortly.
I shall be heavily plagiarising the works of others (with permission, where required) to infill such gaps as seem apposite over the next few days – including Team Junius.
Thanks for the many messages of get well and the incredible support given to Lee by friends whilst I was in hospital.

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is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

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Nigel Farage & UKIP’s Hypocricy re. EU Referendum knows no bounds!

Having done NOTHING to support The Referendum and all he could to help The EU sabotage Nikki Sinclaire’s achievements the duplicitous scoundrel is now trying to lay claim to participation!

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Saturday, 26 January 2013

UKIP and the EU Referendum: The hypocrisy of Nigel Farage


It seems that the UKIP press office’s traditional fondness for unnecessary commas is as strong as ever, but even without the 5 commas, the first sentence of this press release is appalling. This is not the way to impress journalists, chaps!
 

 

But if you want to really give the editors a good laugh, what you do is you send out your press release, and then follow it up with an amendment 30 minutes later.
 

 

Here is the original…….

The genie is out of the bottle

 

Responding to David Cameron’s speech this morning, that offered an In/Out referendum that takes place, after the 2015 parliamentary elections, conditional on negotiations with the EU to reclaim powers, Nigel Farage MEP, the UKIP leader said,
 

 

“What the PM said today has defined the national debate about our place in the European Union. No longer can the case for British withdrawal be confined to the margins. The genie is out of the bottle”.
 

 

He went on to say,
 

 

“Whilst UKIP, regards todays speech as its greatest achievement to date, the real work for our party has only just begun”.

 

“The PM has made clear his commitment to the EU Single Market, which will now become the rallying point for the old establishment in this country. Our job will be to point out that argument for the Single Market, is just the same as one used for the Common Market years ago”.

 

We will campaign for a trade deal with Europe, to cooperate and to be good neighbours but we do not want membership of a political union”.
 

And here is the amendment……
 

“UKIP Leader Nigel Farage also questioned whether Mr Cameron was completely devoted to taking powers back from Europe or whether his pledge was merely a ploy for election votes.

Farage continued: “If Mr Cameron was really serious about renegotiation, then he would invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which is the only mechanism that exists within the treaties to take powers back.

“If he did that … I will take him seriously, but really I think all he is trying to do is to kick the can down the road and get Ukip off his back.”

Aside from the grossly amateurish way in which this was presented to the press, this raises questions about Farage’s commitment to a referendum. So he wants the Prime Minister to invoke Article 50 before the British people have had their say in a referendum? And note the way he claims credit for Cameron’s announcement on a referendum. Hypocrite!

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Farage Dishonestly Tries to Claim The Referendum

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/01/2013

Farage Dishonestly Tries to Claim The Referendum
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Mea Culpa
I apologise for my poor posting record recently but have spent almost all of the time from 09-Jan > 27-Jan in hospital.
Fortunately unrelated directly to my battle with cancer since Nov-1998, which at the moment seems won, as my full body CT Scan last Thursday was showing absolutely no sign of cancer for the first time in 14 years.
Details, for those seeking the encouragement of the story of my survival against horrendous odds, will be on my health blog shortly.
I shall be heavily plagiarising the works of others (with permission, where required) to infill such gaps as seem apposite over the next few days – including Team Junius.
Thanks for the many messages of get well and the incredible support given to Lee by friends whilst I was in hospital.

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Nigel Farage Dishonestly Tries to Claim The Referendum!

When in FACT neither he nor UKIP had ANY part in the effort to get a referendum save aiding The EU by blocking  criticism of The Lisbon Treaty & Nikki Sinclaire‘s teams’ petition & obvious achievements!

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Wednesday, 23 January 2013

David Cameron promises an IN/OUT referendum and Farage claims the credit!

 
I’ll do anything for publicity. Can I claim that Winston Churchill learnt it all from my Grandfather?

So Cameron has finally succumbed to pressure from his own party and promised an IN/OUT referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU ……. if the Tories get re-elected. And about time!

And who do you think is claiming credit for Cameron’s u-turn? Nigel Farage, that’s who! What arrogance! Farage has been an MEP since 1999 and has advanced the anti-EU cause not one inch in all that time! Mind you, Farage has been good at lining his own pockets thanks to the EU! Indeed, he’s now a very rich man thanks to the very thing that he claims to hate!

Last year, Cameron was rattled by his backbench revolt over the EU – LINK. Our readers will remember that the debate was as a direct consequence of Nikki Sinclaire’s referendum campaign – LINK

Nigel, who was it who collected 220,000 signatures, forced a debate in the Commons, and provoked a back-bench revolt, all of which required great effort and some financial cost?

Nigel, words actually count for little unless they are backed up with deeds. So where were you when all this was happening? Making speeches in Brussels that no one was listening to, getting drunk in bars, claiming huge sums in EU expenses, etc, etc.

Sorry Nigel, but you had nothing to do with it! You even declined to sign Nikki’s petition until you were confronted by her in London. And only because the media were filming you! And that was after the original petition was handed in to Number 10!

Let us not forget that Farage even told members not to sign Nikki’s petition because it was a waste of time! Indeed, two UKIP MEPs admitted that they had been instructed not to sign it!

And do you remember UKIP’s own feeble and half-hearted attempt at raising a petition? It achieved nothing – apart, that is, from an expenditure of a substantial six figure sum. Now where did that money go? Nigel, can you enlighten us?

We now see that the Daily Express is also claiming credit for the referendum! Laughable!

So UKIP’s reason for existence now comes to an end. Bye, bye UKIP! No wonder the odious Paul Nuttall looks worried!

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Article 50 revisited!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/11/2012

Article 50 revisited!
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Article 50 revisited! Courtesy of Dr. Richard North, Christopher Booker and further to CLICK HERE!!

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Hi,
my postings and attention have been a little distracted, for which I apologise, as I have taken a few days off to have a heart attack – IF you are interested there are further details on my health blog at: http://greglw.blogspot.co.uk
Back at home I have taken some time in catching up with the vagaries and stupidities of UKIP leadership and their foolish willingness to preen in faux praise like performing monkeys and small children.
So those who wish for a more accurate assessment of recent events may find the articles on UKIP racism, extremism and right wing bigotry at:
http://EUAlliance.blogspot.co.UK
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or consider:
CLICK HERE
and those wishing to be informed may wish to consider the press articles and comments on various publications of interest at:
The Essex Press: CLICK HERE Or CLICK HERE
or the Derbyshire press at:
CLICK HERE Or CLICK HERE Or EVEN HERE
Clearly UKIP has had great good fortune in the stupidity and utterly irresponsible behaviour of Social Services at Rotheram which will, in the short term boost UKIP’s candidate Jane Collins far beyond her democratic merits as just another corrupt and undemocratic placement by UKIP leadership, and the time scale of the good fortune is excellent as it permits no time for responsible journalists to actually expose the undeniable dishonesty, corruption and racist associations.UKIP will of course be used, by flattery, as apawn to bring pressure on the government if not embarrassment as it is this level of childish tittle tattle that sells newspapers in a period between elections.

Clearly since we speak of a Yorkshire by election it is worth being minded of the old Yorkshire saying of:
‘The higher up the tree the monkey climbs
The more you see its ‘R’s.’Oh how very true of UKIP leadership who are such simpletons they are to vain to believe they are merely being used – Clearly there is not a wit of danger that someone so irrelevant and corrupted as Jane Collins could be elected so to make much of the situation for column inches and sales is merely journalistic mischief making.

On the more weighty issue of the desire of the common members of UKIP and most of the British peoples to Leave-The-EU the merits of a Referendum, a Royal Commission and Article 50 are of far greater significance than the idiotic and irresponsible behaviour of Farage, Bloom, Batten, Michael Fabricant and the like whilst UKIP’s sole performing monkey of any merit is still Nigel Farage as shown by thwe incompetence of Paul Nuttall in the media or the light weight and incompetent input of UKIP’s spokeswoman on the regional section of Andrew Neill’s programme on Sunday where her irrelevancy and ineptitude is writ large from 40 minutes onwards at: CLICK HERE

I have written on numerous occasions of the importance of Article #50 but permit me the indollence of merely republishing Richard North’s most recent piece on the subjest which makes many of the relevant points and also points out just how crss are those supposedly advising UKIP’s leadership!

EU politics: another modest proposal

Monday 26 November 2012

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On 7 July 2012, Booker raised the issue of Article 50, as a means of withdrawing from the EU. The piece drew a response from “veteran campaigner”, Torquil Dick-Erikson, in the following terms:

Article 50 is a trap: In the typical Napoleonic-state style, with one hand it purports to grant a right, the right to withdraw from the EU, but with the other hand it restricts it, so much so that it reduces it to nothing. The catch, hidden within article 50, lies in the two-year waiting period that a withdrawing state must wait before it can consider itself sovereign once again, if no agreement on the terms of withdrawal is reached with the others.

He was answered (by me) thus:

I would suggest that you have misread the Article. The two year period is a maximum, unless there is an agreed extension. See 50(3):

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

In this instance, Torquil did not respond to the comment. But again, this time on 24 November 2012, Booker raised the issue of Article 50. And we got this from Torquil Dick-Erikson:

What Booker does not deal with here is the fact that Article 50 imposes a forced 2-year waiting period on any State that announces its intention to leave, and that does not wish to supinely accept the terms that the remaining EU would want to impose on it …

Christopher Booker has raised the idea of using article 50 before in his column. And here he is doing so again. I hope that next time he will deal with the issue of the enforced two-year waiting period that is imposed by this article. An imposition that prevents us from conducting negotiations for a new arrangement from the strong position of regained sovereignty.

Again he was answered:

Article 50 does not impose “a forced 2-year waiting period on any State that announces its intention to leave”. The article actually says:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

It thus sets a maximum timescale for the negotiations, of two years, which may be extended by mutual consent.

As before, Torquil did not respond to the comment. Instead (and as before), he e-mailed his own comment – and only his comment – to a select group of activists, reinforcing his own view that the only way to leave the EU was to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 – a proposition with which his correspondents completely agree.

My response last time was to note that there is a group of eurosceptics imbued with an absolute determination to fail. To keep the faith, they confine their discussions to themselves, never engaging in debate with anyone outside their circle. However, their malign influence on the likes of UKIP ensures the currency of a policy line – immediate withdrawal from the EU – which hands the game on a platter to the other side.

They offer a strategy guaranteed to maximise the disruption and uncertainty, reinforcing the europhile claims that leaving the EU would be a “disaster”. Under the terms of our eurosceptic clique, it most certainly would be so.

Out problem is that, as long as this self-deceiving rump of eurosceptics maintain their position, the likes of David Cameron can appear entirely reasonable in rejecting the idea of withdrawal. Only if they offered a well-structured exit plan, aimed at minimising disruption, would the eurosceptic doctrine pose a real threat.

There, of course, Mr Cameron has a way of completely neutralising the eurosceptic threat, if he choose to take it. With his very substantial resources, he could devise his own exit plan, couched in such terms as to make it clear that we would no longer be members of the EU, but defining a new relationship that was very litte different from full membership.

That would involve the UK withdrawing from the existing treaties which place our nations in the EU, instead forging a new treaty which would have the UK in alliance with the EU. That would entirely confirm with the traditional British policy towards Europe – interested but not absorbed.

Currently, in the pages of the Independent, Tory MP Michael Fabricant advises Mr Cameron to do a deal with UKIP. He should, the Conservative vice-chairman says, set out plans for a referendum on EU membership in exchange for UKIP not standing in the next general election.

On the other hand, there is no need for a referendum. Instead, Cameron could invoke Article 50, offering precisely the “new relationship” with the EU which he professes to want. This would bury UKIP completely. A Conservative Party, genuinely seeking a new settlement with “Europe” would leave Farage and his not-as-merry-men completely stranded, electorally isolated with nowhere to go.

However, there is another, perhaps more important reason why Cameron should take this line. Apart from the electoral advantages, which could guarantee him victory at the next general election, the constant bickering over EU membership is a dangerous distraction from the business of government. In order to focus on the issues at hand, this issue needs to be settled – and it will not go away of its own accord.

Invoking Article 50 and negotiating a new relationship with the EU is entirely compatible with Conservative Party policy, and with Mr Cameron’s personal aspirations. The fact that it is an option so hated by the eurosceptic groupescules could be taken as a bonus.

Richard North 26/11/2012

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Farage & UKIP Forget Spin Is Based on Facts!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/10/2012

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Let us look at the crass and largely dishonest witterings from UKIP irresponsibly published in The Sun presumably by some low grade and over paid staffer in UKIP for to realise that UKIP’s leader would be so crass would compound the damage done by UKIP and the realisation that not only is Farage utterly incompetent as a leader but is bereft of political nouse – reliant only on low cunning to perpetuate his self enrichment!!

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having alluded to a particularly dishonest article published in The Sun on Sunday in the name of Nigel Farage in a blog regarding the idiotic comments made on his behalf to an Iranian media organisation, pressumably by one of his low grade staff – I have been contacted by a couple of people (possibly both of the people who read this blog, within minutes of new material being posted 😉 and have been asked why I claimed The Sun article was such dishonest and crass spin!

In searching for the article on The Sun’s web site I came across a couple of other relevant articles which were of some consequence rather than the light weight self promoting and fanciful spin from UKIP.

  •  YouGov/Sun poll today: Labour lead extended to 13 points; Lab 45%, Con 32%, LDs and UKIP tied on 8%. Cameron’s #Gategate slump.
    by Sun_politics via twitter 7:47 AM yesterday
    Based upon their irrelevance and the stupidity of its leadership it is clear that The LibDim results have collapsed, in that in polls they have sunk to the risible level of UKIP!
  •  William Hague in EU walkout hint bit.ly
    by Sun_politics via twitter 6:55 AM yesterday
    This seems to have firmed up a bit since and although it is not to be trusted it does seem that the faction considering leaving The EU is higher on the agenda than ever before – thanks largely to the ineptitude of The EU and the well publicised achievements of Katie Hopkins & Nikki Sinclaire & their team – particularly the 250,000 signatures for an IN/OUT Referendum Nikki Sinclaire’s team had achieved and the full de3bate in the House of Commons she managed to force the Government into, which led to a consequential rebellion and resignations in the ranks of The Tory Party.
Let us consider the entire article attributed to Nigel Farage, in The Sun, and which I have fisked below:

 NIGEL FARAGE: David Cameron’s Euro pledge is a load of Brussels spouts

Nigel Farage and David Cameron

Caricature … Nigel Farage and David Cameron
>What a foolish cartoon with neither protagonist being portrayed in a manner that looks like them though I am glad that Farage is still using the emblem of the £ logo which I launched originally by having 10,000 made and distributed – clearly to good effect as it is still in use and the only emblem of UKIP recognisable to the public at large.

Some may remember that the emblem was also adopted by the Tories for a short time when William Hague was leader.

This was about the time Carys Pugh, Betty Bowen and I launched the ‘Just Say NO’ campaign that was so narrowly and dishonestly defeated in the Welsh devolution scam – a campaign slogan adopted and sold to UKIP by Dick Morris as some may recall.

By NIGEL FARAGE, Guest Columnist
Published: 21st October 2012

CABINET-rank ministers, in an unprecedented revolt against the official party line, are daring to suggest Britain might walk out of Europe.

NO  this is NOT an unprecedented action there have been Cabinet Ministers in the governments of Anthony Eden, Harold MacMillan, Harold Wilson, Ted Heath, Jim Callaghan, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair/Brown and now Cameron who have had the patriotic integrity to uphold the British Constitution and advocate leaving The EU.

Meanwhile Tory MPs with marginal seats are squealing in alarm

I hear no squealing and clearly Farage’s party can not have it both ways! On the one hand their proud boast is that they take votes from both main parties and now they seek to pretend they have a significant effect on only The Tories!

at polls showing UKIP’s campaign for an IN-or-OUT referendum has won huge public support.

This is a particularly distasteful lie as UKIP has absolutely ZERO campaign for an IN/OUT Referendum in fact they have absolutely ZERO visible campaign on anything – campaigning being something they have proved spectacularly incompetent at!

Let us not forget that they even lacked a domestic campaign on the EU Constitution which was passed as The Lisbon Treaty with barely a murmur from UKIP until AFTER the event in Britain!

Presumably Farage is alluding to the very successful campaign that Nikki Sinclaire and her team managed and are still running despite the serial efforts of Farage’s Party to sabotage it!

Could the two developments by any chance be related?

The only tie between the two developements would seem to be the fantasies Farage’s party wish to dupe people into believing!

UKIP don’t even have a viable policy as an Exit and Survival Strategy – They would seem to have no understanding of strategy and little comprehension of tactics, no skill at team building and no interest or ability in terms of man management, loyalty building or basic political training.

Conservatives have suddenly woken up to the increasingly probability that my party will win the 2014 European elections.

And as Farage’s Party, as he has here defined it!, may possibly do well in the EU elections where the huge majority of the British peoples have no idea of who their MEP is and absolutely no idea of how the structure works. UKIP have shown, better than anyone, the utter irrelevance of election to The EU where Britain were the voice of its politicians be united as ONE would have only an 8% influence.

Who wins the EU elections is a complete irrelevance and of no material influence save to those able to enrich themselves from the public purse as with UKIP who have had and squandered £50 Million of tax payers’ money yet mouth meaningless mantras about how political parties should not be funded from taxation yet are utterly dependent on that source of income for personal gain!

More to the point, they are terrified Mr Cameron will be robbed again of outright victory in 2015 as Tory voters choose us or stay home.

The Tories were not ‘robbed’ of an outright victory they failed abysmally to earn one and as for UKIP influencing the situation it was only the lies and dishonesty of Mark Croucher, Nigel Farage and a handful of utterly dishonest members of their clique that capuitalised on the protest vote that came about relative to secondary allowances for MPs and arguably UKIP actions underpinned the election of their chums in The BNP whose profile they hugely elevated with lies about Dr. David Abbott, Dr, Eric Edmonds, Buster Motram and Martin Hasslam!

In any case, can we believe a word “Cast Iron Dave” says about a referendum after his previous broken promise?

Another lie! David Cameron gave a cast iron promise that he would hold a referendum IF The Lisbon Treaty had NOT been ratified by the time he came to power – that he did this in the knowledge that the chances of it NOT being ratified was indeed miniscule but he did NOT lie. Unlike Nigel Farage and his party who have been shown and proven to be serial liars of very low morality and less integrity.

The Prime Minister and his Foreign Secretary, William Hague, are rattling sabres at Brussels and demanding the return of sovereign power over welfare, immigration and justice.

Well that is at least a start and when they fail, as The EU is NOT a smorgas board where you can choose what you take on your plate and leave that which you find inedible, they will then be in a position to live up to their threats or live down to our expectations!

But what, as Michael Gove asks, do we do if they say NO?

A strange question in the light of the fact even Farage took heed of Michael Gove’s response!

The Eurosceptic Education Secretary says we can walk out.

But that is not what Mr Cameron thinks or says.

Yet we note that Cameron has NOT castigated his education secretary or others for speaking out and let us hope he, unlike Farage, has some understanding of  strategy and a tactical plan!

He is on the record insisting categorically that he will never lead a campaign for Britain to leave Europe.

I believe that you will find the legislation already determines that a political party can not take such a role be that for or against in a referendum!

So say Labour’s Ed Miliband and the Lib Dems’ Nick Clegg.

That Ed Milliband has made such comments is as clear a statement of support for membership of The EU as is the overt promotion of membership we see from Nick Clegg and about as significant!

Which means all this referendum talk is hot air.

E$ven hot air would prove an increase of activity towards leaving the EU than UKIP has provided for the tax payers’ £50 Million over the last 19 years!

If they do try and bring back hundreds of important powers ceded to Brussels over the years, Brussels will certainly say NO.

Yet it is the fools in UKIP who advocate a quick fix repeal of the ECA and immediate withdrawal – you will note the Judas Goats and plastic EUroSceptics are all too willing to promote this proposal by UKIP – clearly aware of what a catastrophic debacle UKIP would achieve for the patriotic cause of EUroRealism when they lost, as they most certainly would.

With the Euro in flames, why would they turn a drama into an existential crisis by allowing Britain to unravel their carefully tied Gordian knot?

Largely, in my opinion, because it would seem that it is only the British public who are speaking out and consistently showing the failure of The EUro, the idiocy of a centralised currency and the odious undemocratic nature of the EU and its aims and methods.

Our relationship with the EU underpins almost everything that happens in Britain today, from how our doctors are trained and how they work, to whether the WI and Red Cross volunteers can sell jam at their fundraising fetes.

And it is unarguable that UKIP has done almost nothing to raise that level of knowledge by anywhere approaching value for money the £50 Million or so of tax payers’ money they have squandered. They have lived high on the hog on a self enrichment scheme, should I say scam, with their snouts in the troughs on the EU gravy train.

It tells us what to grow, how to fish, it tells us who we can trade with and how we should employ people.

Where is the web site or published documents of UKIP with the errors and abuses of The EU – where is their index of crass regulations – what number can one call locally where UKIP would or could help expose the excesses of The EU for UKIP was far too busy engorging itself in those excesses!

It decides on our holidays, on our lightbulbs, it regulates how to use ladders and whether we can kick out terrorists through the European Court of Human Rights, now an integral part of the European Union.

And UKIP has for several years proved just how irrelevant they are in altering this or influencing this as they are so embroilled and subsumed in The EU parliament, structure and pocket as to have achieved not one single solitary achievement in their 20 years, that has brought these United Kingdoms one inch closer to the exit!

They know a victorious Cameron negotiation would lead inevitably to other member states demanding similar or different concessions.

There are few Countries that could afford to leave as they have become so dependent on the bribes and handouts as to be drug dependent on the hand outs!

There is even a fear put about by corrupt politicians that Britain would be hugely damaged were it to leave and that even though this can be disproved – it is then sabre rattled that in the decades ahead we would be marginalised!!

This is precisely contrary to everything those gravy-train Eurocrats have been beavering away for over the last four decades.

It is widely talked of that much of the beavering is carried out by UKIP and its staff!!

They have not gathered enormous and continually expanding power to the centre in order to give it back, ever.

And UKIP has totally failed to make this point clear to other politicians, organisations and the public at large – despite some £50 Million paid from the public purse, despite the funding UKIP still has not a single valid item of material to promote the cost benefits of leaving The EU – Nor any strategy or tactics towards a viable or plausible exit and survival strategy!

Perhaps Mr Cameron secretly hopes to encourage a slap in the face from EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso as a pretext for a proper IN-OUT referendum.

Meanwhile UKIP fiddles and faffs around sponsoring apparent incitement to racial hatred.

Perhaps he is more of a Eurosceptic than anyone had previously believed.

Let us hope Cameron has the ability to acquit his duty in a patriotic manner.

If so, his bluff will certainly be called.

Let us hope his bluff is a part of a strategy, though I personally am inclined to doubt it!

Mr Barroso has learned nothing and forgotten nothing since his days as a firebrand Maoist agitator.

WRONG – clearly Barroso has learned much about stealth and bribery and like Farage ensuring he has a claque of over funded weak but ambitious scoundrels!

Just last month he confirmed what was long suspected but always denied — that the EU can only survive as a full-blown federal superstate.

It has been shown clearly that despite these claims The EU central power group have always openly stated their aims – one need only read the speeches and articles of the likes of Spinnelli, Monet and their ilk!

If you prefer read Dr. Richard North and Christopher Booker’s publications, the speeches of Enoch Powell or the white papers on the subject of 1948 & 1949 (the earlies British involvement I have personally found).

Anyone who gets in the way of this Grand Project will be cast aside or crushed.

Let us not forget many of us have actively campaigned for Britain to be cast aside and many also voted UKIP MEPs into positions to ensure our membership of the EU is crushed!

Under a new EU Treaty, Brussels will demand absolute loyalty from member states — one country, one army, one treasury, one flag, one anthem, one loyalty and one future.

If studied closely you will find they have already put this in place in The Lisbon Treaty and the only viable exit within the law, under The Vienna Treaty on International Treaties is under Article #50.

Some sceptics, such as Open Europe, oppose a referendum because they are nervous voters might lock us in forever because they are too fearful of being outside.

Open EUrope is little more than a cats paw of the pro EU membership faction of the government and its role is duplicitous in many aspects!

Quite the reverse.

With the Euro disintegrating, unemployment soaring, pensions and prosperity in freefall, there is more likely to be a stampede for the exit, with others in hot pursuit.

This clearly lacks the clarification that it relates to OTHER EU member regions other than these United Kingdoms, part of The EUroZone.

Once out we would be free to float and flourish.

There would be an immediate bounce and indeed not just a mini boom but an increase of jobs – to sustain this will take many years of careful analysis and revocation of such laws as Britain may have adopted through membership of the EU.

To reassure business and also to gain the co-operation of our own civil servants and assistance in disentanglement it would be essential to block adopt ALL the laws and regulations we currently hold by way and result of our current membership.

To undertake and reassure that we would line by line analyse the issues and then if decided dismantle the alien laws thus imposed one by one in co-operation with our EUropean and global partners as we rebuild and repatriate justice, and our sovereignty on terms of self determination.

With a population soon set to exceed Germany’s, Britain would be too big a market to ignore, still less punish.

The EU would not for one moment ‘ignore’ these United kingdoms as a trading partner any more than would India, China, South America or the Anglosphere!

Europe is an outdated economic and political union which, as it stands, cannot compete in a fast-changing world economy.

How true but sadly UKIP has expended most of its energies not on informing the public but in jockeying and back stabbing to stay on the gravy train enriching themselves from the liberal dollops from the troughs yet doing little or nothing for Britain.

Britain would not simply survive outside, we would flourish.

This is just words when stated by the Farage Party who have achieved nothing of gravitas or plausible and sound material towards an exit and survival strategy!

And the sooner we have that chance, the better.

One is left with the realisation that when Farage (or his script writers) are not telling lies, distorting or outright self servingly acting in their own personal interest their criticisms of The EU cut no ice and lack readily available documentary provenance and cross referncing giving the impression they just aren’t up to the job!

To read the original article ‘un-fisked’ CLICK HERE
I trust my diagnosis helps and ensures a widert audience of people who will investigate in detail just how we should go about leaving the EU rather than the simplistic and undocumented and very costly hot air from UKIP.
On route may I commend consideration of A Royal Commission, The Harrogate Agenda, the ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign, adoption of EU law as being the laws and regulations of these United Kingdoms when we leave the EU and then a schedule of ratification or revocation of each and every law and regulation one by one ensuring the best interests of the British peoples are concerned.

Join in the discussions, argue your view and let us all work towards a better future with self determination and democratically established sovereignty on the global stage.

YOU can make life better for your children and the grand children of these United Kingdoms in a free, competitive and independent sovereign nation.
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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU

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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU!
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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU.

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Hi,

the posting below is one I placed earlier on a Conservative Forum, you may find it of interest:

Hi,

A Royal Commission to report 3 months before The General Election based on Cost Benefits of continued membership of The EU and provision of a fully documented Exit & Survival Strategy becomes essential for a free, fair and informed IN/OUT Referendum with no cunning codicils, no intervention from The EU or its staff (probably includes the entire Civil Service nowadays!) and equal funding and media time for both sides.

Then, unlike the utterly rigged devolution scam in Wales, open counting of the vote!

If Scotland is considered acceptable to hold a Referendum –
Then:
‘We-Demand-A-Referendum’
‘Let-The-People-Decide’
it is after all OUR Country and our elected servants should remember their place and their oft claimed mantra:
They Work For You
which at the moment looks somewhat shaky.

To date no one has EVER shown a benefit of consequence for Britain or our peoples in membership of The EU, that is not hugely outweighed by:

the loss of liberty,

the negation of democracy,

the centralisation of control,

the overpaying of the useless who gain access to the pot of OUR money IF they support the scam,

the justification of the £Billions spent on propaganda to tell us how good The EU is etc. etc.

Let us not forget also the downside risks and the obscene and unaccounted £50Million a day membership tax.

I appreciate that those feeding at the troughs, inside the bubble, do incredibly well for themselves, and thus have great motivation to try to block and if need be rig a referendum.

There is absolutely zero intelligent reason for continuing to prop up The EU, an experiment which on almost every count has failed to deliver, and particularly for these United Kingdoms.

Do not forget that Europe WAS:


38% of world GDP,


by 2010 The EU’s share had fallen to 24%

& by 2020 it is expected to be 15% or less!

The EU scam has failed!


Why shackle ourselves to a corpse?


We Want A Referendum


Let The People Decide


– Leave-The-EU!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Thomas Hauschildt 1p · 53 minutes ago

good, then leave. Do you think anyone in the EU cares, do you think you can blackmail the EU? Look what happened a few months ago; The UK was simply ignored and the EU moved on. The UK is searching for a new identity. The Empire gone, the “special relationship” with the US is only special for the UK, not the US. Germany and France are the major players in Europe, the UK could join them, but doesn’t want to. The UK will be (or is already) a third rate power, behind France and Germany. The French redefined their role, the UK hasn’t. In less than twenty years many economies will have overtaken the UK, the UK will be just another country, great times are over. You wanna leave, then leave. It will damage the UK more than the EU>

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Hi,

don’t be so timorous and aggressive.

The aim is NOT to damage The EU – merely to Leave-The-EU which has failed, irrefutably, to deliver any consequential benefit for these United Kingdoms at a cost, currently, of £50Million a day in hard cash and massive damage by over regulation, excessive controls and starving us of access to our natural global markets where our trade has grown in the last few years as our trade with EU countries has become ever more negative.

Of course The EU won’t cut us off – they are bound by The WTO agreements.

Also do be minded that our trade with the EU is a nett profit to them and a nett loss to us!

It can clearly be argued that we will be Better-Off-OUT even were that to mean we ceased trading with the EU entirely, which clearly would not happen.

It is time to implement Article 50, institute a Royal Commission, foreswear the signing of ANY new agreements until AFTER the Royal Commission reports with a full cost benefit analysis and clear Exit & Survival Strategy and a free, fair, informed and balanced Referendum on IN/OUT.

Let-The-People-Decide.

This is a situation where the Government can take the lead and the 220,000 signatures obtained by the independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire & her team, backed by various polls has shown the people want a referendum in a spirit of integrity and fair play.

That the Franco German Allience under ‘The Treaty of Elysee’ makes a mockery of the entire EU concept is worthy of note as TH has reminded us they have seized the power and control The EU.

It is something of a relief that Germany did Cameron’s job for him and blocked The BAE merger with EADS or yet another British mega corp would have been crushed into the Fraco German portfolio similarly the collapse of the RBS sell out to Santander has retained that business.

Now Leave-The-EU and lets start repatriating and reconstructing our democracy, justice, civil service, police, military, economy, businesses etc. etc. in a spirit of self control and in line with the fundamental human right of self determination ‘Let The People Decide’.

Shock horror we could consider revivvifying The Anglosphere and we could draw up our own international treaties and contracts – even with individual vassal states of The EU!

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Some Thoughts & reports on ‘We Demand A Referendum’

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/10/2012

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You will find the poll commissioned by ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign of both interest and of use in achieving our aims.

YouGov Poll: Majority of Public Do Not Trust Cameron on EU.

A YouGov Poll released today by the newly formed We Demand A Referendum Party shows the majority of electorate DO NOT have trust in David Cameron to stand up for British interests in the European Union.

The poll reveals that 54% do not have trust compared to 38% that do.
The same YouGov poll also reveals that the gap between those who wish to see an EU Referendum (62%) widening over those who do not (24%). In a YouGov Poll last month the figures for the same question were 56% to 28% respectively.
Worryingly for David Cameron the poll shows that almost three out of four Conservative voters want a Referendum.
The single issue We Demand A Referendum Party held their inaugural conference in London on Friday issued an ultimatum to the Prime Minister that if he failed to facilitate a In/Out Referendum by 1st January 2014 they would stand in every region in the next European Elections under the banner ‘We Demand A Referendum’ A YouGov Poll last month showed between 16% and 33% of the electorate would vote for them in June 2014 earning them between 8 and 22 seats.
Party Chairman, Nikki Sinclaire MEP said “These results show there is increasing support from across the political spectrum for an EU Referendum – When will the politicians listen to the people?”
The West Midlands MEP added “The economic crisis has changed the ball game in Europe. Fundamental changes are underway, now is the time to decide once and for all which fork in the road to take.”
Sorry – the layout of the tables is near unusable! You will find a more readable version on You Gov’s web site!
YouGov Survey Results
Sample Size: 2083 GB Adults
Fieldwork: 3rd – 4th October 2012
  Voting intention 2010 Vote Gender Age Social grade Region
Total Con Lab Lib Dem Con Lab Lib Dem Male Female 18-24 25-39 40-59 60+ ABC1 C2DE London Rest of South Midlands / Wales North Scotland
Weighted Results 2083 484 694 147 615 508 496 1012 1071 252 531 712 587 1187 896 267 677 446 512 181
Unweighted Sample 2083 532 608 130 689 446 488 1030 1053 117 479 848 639 1397 686 253 733 427 487 183
% % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
Do you think the government should or should not hold a referendum on whether or not Britain remains a member of the European Union?
Should 62 72 58 42 76 61 50 62 61 34 53 67 74 57 68 58 61 64 63 60
Should Not 24 19 29 45 15 28 38 29 19 40 28 21 18 29 19 30 25 22 20 29
Don’t know 14 9 13 13 9 11 13 8 20 27 19 11 8 14 14 12 14 14 16 11
How much trust, if any, to you have in David Cameron to stand up for British interests in the European Union.
A great deal of trust 6 20 1 4 13 1 5 6 5 7 7 6 5 8 3 7 8 4 5 6
A fair amount of Trust 32 61 18 54 49 17 38 35 30 31 39 31 29 38 25 35 37 32 26 31
TOTAL GREAT DEAL / FAIR AMOUNT OF TRUST 38 81 19 58 62 18 43 41 35 38 46 37 34 46 28 42 45 36 31 37
Not much trust 30 15 36 33 25 33 35 29 31 32 26 29 35 28 33 36 32 29 30 22
No trust at all 24 1 41 5 9 44 17 27 21 16 17 28 28 19 31 16 18 26 33 27
TOTAL NOT MUCH TRUST / NO TRUST 54 16 77 38 34 77 52 56 52 48 43 57 63 47 64 52 50 55 63 49
Don’t Know 7 2 5 3 3 5 5 3 12 14 11 6 2 7 7 6 5 9 7 14

I have reposted below the report from Gary Cartwright of the actual meeting/conference for two reasons – namely that he was there as part of the organisation and secondly as he is well informed as a long term employee of The EU.

Saturday, 6 October 2012

Campaign for a Referendum: Conference a Great Success!

Its always nice to spend a couple of days in London, even if it is a working visit.

On Thursday evening I was delighted to meet Katie Hopkins for the first time: she is absolutely the right person for the campaign, as her media appearences to date have proved. We were joined at dinner at the Victory Services Club by Nikki and a number of senior members of the team, and also Roger Knapman and his wife Carolyn, as well as former Lib-Dem councillor David McGrath and his wife, both of whom I know from the campaign to clear an illegal travellers camp in Meriden. The cross-party demographics of this campaign team give us both integrity and depth.

But the real reason for the trip was our inaugural conference in Westminster. The day began with Katie appearing on ITN’s Daybreak, and by the end of the first round of speakers we were on the front page of the BBC news website. Christian Party Leader George Hargreaves, and the US broadcaster and political analyst Charlie Wolf both gave excellent speeches, adding depth to the debate on our membership of the EU and what it means for our democratic integrity.

It was a chance to catch up with old friends from various parties, including one Conservative MEP, and to meet new people.

No surprise that UKIP had at least two spotters outside, reporting back on who was attending – I suspect that a few people will be getting some unpleasant phone calls or letters from their branch chairman shortly!

Two motions were passed by conference: the first calling on HMG to establish a Royal Commission to set the terms of reference for the referendum, the second calling on the PM to call a binding referendum before Jan 1st 2014.

A great success!

To view the original on Gary Cartwright’s Brussels blog CLICK HERE
I gather from several people who were there that the inagural conference surpassed most expectations in terms of its cross party contribution, its disinterest in UKIP, seen by many as having failed and now discreditted sliding towards the history books as such, and also my contacts were pleasantly surprised at the calliber of the speeches and presentations which at many such events are all too frequently too slick, too smug and too banal delivering nothing.I am fairly reliably informed the attendance was just over 70, which although shy of the 100 I had hope for was a successful result for such short term and also in the light of the childish attacks that have so demeaned UKIP!

I note that the Tory defector and UKIP turncoat David Bannerman was present, presumably having quit the Tories due to his failure and having been put in place in Farage’s party as an MEP in the apparent realisation that he was singularly unlikely to be re-elected having seen through the corruption of UKIP he defected back to the Tories and now having realised the Tories select their prospective MEP lists rather more fairly and with considerably more integrity than UKIP he stood little chance of being above 4th. or 5th. on the list and thus not a hope of being re-elected.

It seems probable that David Bannerman was looking for a new place to hang his hat and some prospect of getting back on the gravy train with his snout in the troughs that are The EU.

It was interesting to see Tony Schofield there but as yet he still seems not to have been fully weened of his love affair with UKIP which though it has turned sour leaves him in hope over experience.

I do endorse the decision and commend to you the fact that liars and low lifes Mick McGough and John Moran were made unwelcome and asked not to enter the meeting – they have shown in much detail their lack of ethics and dishonesty and clearly had nothing to offer the new organisation and would have proved a distraction and an embarrassment as they do in UKIP.

I gather McGough is not in favour at the moment having opposed the decision of Nigel Farage and Lisa Duffy to place the idiotic and discreditted self seeker Winston McKenzie in the key role – a more obvious political prostitute and self seeker would be hard to find anywhere but in the ranks of UKIP leadership’s claque.

Imagine if UKIP ever gained any position of authority how odious it would be – the centralised denial of any sense of democratic ethics, the McCarthy style infiltration of other people’s organisations, the keeping and making of lists of attendees, the odious bigots given status in UKIP, the prostitutes, the drunken yobbery, the corruption, the controlling nature, the centralised dictatorship and so many more anti democratic actions and controlling beliefs – They call it Libertarian!!!

Let us hope that the We Demand A Referendum moves forward from this limited success to greater things, which as the polls show are both populist and popular.
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