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#0487* – Those who seek to undermine Farage undermine UKIP.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/05/2011

#0487* – Those who seek to undermine Farage undermine UKIP.
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Those who seek to undermine Farage undermine UKIP!

Clearly only a child or a fool would believe such a statement or of course someone who was a proven liar and utterly corrupt sycophant like Mick McGough – of no personal merit or worth who found with his tongue firmly placed for licking their incompetence and vile personality was overlooked!

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Hi,

I have unfortunately only received the comments of the main protagonist and an aside from Steve Allison – suffice to say with information leaks there are perforce some parts missing!

Though it seems Douglas Denny is in his dottage waking up to the reality that he has been duped and taken for the fool he so clearly was.

Perhaps it is his conscience after so many defamatory lies and general dishonesty that Denny used in the past to abuse people who dared to seek out the truth which so embarrassed him he felt the need to cover his personal involvement and that of his ‘chums’.

Unfortunately I do not have the whole of his confession nor the documentation which he had but I understand he has now handed to a UKIP MEP – lt us see what integrity that MEP can muster!

In answer to the Strap Line:

Those who seek to undermine Farage undermine UKIP.
It would seem Douglas Denny comments:

This statement is heavily loaded with innuendo and is inaccurate.  Not everyone who wishes to undermine the Leader are ( -actively- for that is what is implied) {wishing} to undermine the party. They may have other valid reasons for not wishing to co-operate with the Leader.  It happens in all political parties.

This is not to approve of course,  of Marta biting the hand that fed her – and I mean the party.

I have read the “blogg” article and and it is a very pro-Nigel Farage homily spun with no acknowledgement or account of the known failings of NF which, in themselves, have in the past and possible present, caused problems for the party.
The author forgets: it takes two to Tango.
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I made it clear I did not want Nigel to be Leader again at the leadership elections and said exactly why – and those reasons are now becoming apparent, especially the main one which I will now repeat. (On this private forum only).

I emphasise have not publicly criticised Nigel since the leadership election as he is the Leader, and does indeed have a large mandate from the membership.
That is not to fail to recognise and deny he has faults however, but I do not fully express them now as it is counter-productive to the party.  If this is the only point Mr. Heaver is trying to make, then I agree with him.

What I think is worth repeating though is: I think the main problem with any leader of a political party is they develop enemies and malcontents within the party and without,  with their leadership,  over a long period of time if they stay in the job for a very long period. Margaret Thatcher is a classic axample of this.  She was an excellent Leader, but they still threw her out for spurious reasons.  That is why I think leaders should stand down, or be changed regardless every now and then. (Every three or five years? -debate).

This effect causes problems of the kind we are now seeing.  It is up to those who are malcontent for whatever reasons to either pull their weight behind the party or re-consider what they are doing.

Leadership does not mean there is an automatic requirement of blind obedience from others however (unless you are in the military)  – it means bringing people together towards a common cause through example and charisma so that people want to to follow….. Douglas Denny.

 Steve ALLISON SAID:

I have read the “blogg” article and and it is a very pro-Nigel Farage homily spun with no acknowledgement or account of the known failings of NF which, in themselves, have in the past and possible present, caused problems for the party.

Steve Allisons comment:

Doug, you didn’t need to read the blog post to know this. All you need to read was the title and the name of the author. There are certain people in this party for whom the concept of Nigel not being 100% correct is something they cannot even imagine, let alone actually put into words. To expect Michael Heaver to question Farage in any way is like expecting a blog post by a Catholic Cardinal questioning the doctrine of Papal Infallibility! Unthinkable.

All Hail!! Gaius Nigellus Caesar! Those who speak ill of him do so of the Republic! Yea, kneel down and kiss of his arse, mortals!!!

Nigel’s a good bloke, we get it. I certainly support him; but there are reasons to criticise him and the one thing that is guaranteed to destroy a political party in a democracy is a sycophantic personality cult that rewards toadying – sorry, “loyalty” – to a man over wisdom and competence and devotion to a cause.

If UKIP takes that route, it is no better than the LibLabCon parties and its high admonitions on the lack of’democracy’ and ‘liberty’ are not worth a fig.

Steve Allison’s response:

This is exactly the route that UKIP is taking! Any organisation that believes it is 100% dependent upon one man for its success or failure has started down the path to ultimate destruction. Graveyards are full of people who were indispensable!. If the crash last year had been serious enough that Nigel had died, which I would never wish on anyone, even my worst enemy, or he had been so badly injured that he had to leave politics, are these people who claim Nigel is UKIP’s only hope also saying the party would have collapsed and now no longer exist?

When Nigel departs UKIP, because it is WHEN and not IF, then UKIP will continue and may even be stronger in the long term,  in fact I think it will be stronger in the long term without Nigel. Any gardener will tell you that when one branch on a bush grows so large that it overshadows the rest of the the branches then it’s time for the overgrown branch to be pruned back, otherwise the shape of the bush is destroyed and the longer the singe branch is allowed to grow the harsher the pruning becomes!

Douglas Denny adds his farthing’s worth:

I disagree with this statement too which is also inaccurate.

There were other suitable candidates,  two of which would have made perfectly good leaders in my opinon;  an opinon  based on having supported three Leaders already in the past and seen their efforts.

As Steve Allison rightly says – if Nigel had been killed in the aircraft crash UKIP would have gone on regardless, and would still achieve the kind of success we already enjoy.   The party would have gone in a different direction in some respects,  which might or might not have speeded up that process. Overall though, it is my experience in politics that leaders efforts are more useful during thier term with infrastructure changes and general party direction,  and  the aspect of personalities only becomes important and into the forefront of politics if they are in the focus of the media, – which for UKIP is at election times – and only if they get the media presence, and that only in the last week before an election.
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The reason Nigel had such a large poll with the members is because they have never heard of the others much at all,  excepting DCB perhaps.  He did not do well, so cannot have such a well-known or acceptable profile in the party as I thought might be the case.     Nigel, however,  is so well known in the party you could put him up for election as God and he will probably get 60%.

Tim Congden would have made an excellent leader,  and I like his stance on MEPs and UKIP’s efforts being more UK-centric, which resonates with me a lot,  so if there is another leadership election in due course and he stands I shall have to think carefully next time who to go for depending on the candidates and their policy in this respect. Who knows? TC could be the one !
Some others might make good leaders too, but were total unknowns.

Douglas Denny.

Then in response to an apparent interjection Denny continues:

No spat here on this subject.  It’s called rational, informed debate.
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This minion,  dogsbody,  jobbing party worker would like to know what the MEPs are doing exactly too but does not actually know, as he is not told.
Whatever it is, it is, but one thing’s for sure – if it’s in Brussels, it is of little use to getting Britain out of the EU.

I find snippets of information about what they do from the internet like you.

Douglas.

It would seem that Douglas Denny is making steps, all be they tiny, towards honesty and telling the truth which must be very difficult for him after so many years telling lies, cheating and inventing childish conspiracy theories to cover up the corruption he was party to.

Leopards DO change their spots – it is a measure of their maturity!

Though I doubt Douglas Denny will ever be man enough to apologise for his lies and his defamatory comments and inventions regarding myself, Niall Warry and others.

See the original article at CLICK HERE
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#0474* – UKIP’s AIM WAS TO LOOSE IN MORE SEATS – I SEE

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 12/05/2011

#0474* – UKIP’s AIM WAS TO LOOSE IN MORE SEATS – I SEE
LONDON, ENGLAND - NOVEMBER 05:  Nigel Farage, ...Image by Getty Images via @daylife

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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable!
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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UKIP’s AIM WAS TO LOOSE IN MORE SEATS – I SEE!

I do believe as a party they were as surprised as I – it took them 5 days to dream that one up!
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Hi,

here is a brief extract from The Spectator with a link to the full article:
David Blackburn

Nigel Farage is in a bullish mood. Buoyed by the coalition’s unpopularity, Labour’s listlessness and the success of the True Finns Party, he has declared that Ukip is “no longer a minority party”.

I interviewed him ahead of tomorrow’s local election, the first test of his second leadership stint and the new direction in which he is trying to take the party. You can read the full interview as a web exclusive here;

To view the full article CLICK HERE

I gather I am not alone in thinking that few of us thought for a moment when we heard Nigel Farage’s comments that for UKIP this was going to be the great election – 2011 and UKIP’s time had come!

Little did we realise when he said on the day of election that UKIP were expecting to win at least one seat in Wales’ EU Council and had two targeted in Northern Ireland and expected to gain 24 seats in English Councils.

We not for a moment thought when Farage travelled to the unlikely count at Newport  where the new seat was to be delivered.

No indeed – it seems the aim was not to win seats but to loose in more seats – due clearly to incompetence, lack of preparation, lack of planning, no competent training, no vision, no strategy, no tactics, no clear message, no competent branding and a clear disinterest from the leadership team who deligated to utter incompetents who command no respect due to clear and obvious incompetence and lack of personality.

WHAT A DISASTER!

Here is the spin put forward by the little boy whose career experience we understand is teaching sums in a small private school:

Dear [REDACTED],

Much misinformation has been spread concerning UKIP’s performance at this year’s elections. The same seats were up for election this year as in 2007; therefore any fair comparison must be with 2007. I would like to draw your attention to the following facts:

  • In 2007 5 councillors were elected as UKIP. In 2011 9 councillors were elected as UKIP.
  • In 2011 UKIP took control of Ramsey Town Council. There is no comparable result for 2007.
  • In 2007 we took 208180 votes; in 2011 we took 323065. (an increase of 55.1%).
  • In 2007 UKIP fielded 957 candidates; in 2011 we had 1211.
  • In 2007 the average UKIP Council elections candidate took 217.5 votes; in 2011 it was 266.8 (a 22.7% increase).
  • In 2007 UKIP Scotland took 8197 votes on the regional lists; in 2011 we took 18138.
  • In 2007 UKIP Wales took 38490 votes on the regional lists; in 2011 we took 43756.
  • In 2007 UKIP’s lead Northern Ireland candidate Henry Reilly took 1229 first-preference votes in his constituency at the Northern Ireland Assembly election. In 2011 he took 2322.

I appreciate that we would all like UKIP to progress even quicker – but rest assured, we are making progress!

Yours,

Jonathan Arnott (UKIP General Secretary)
UKIP’s great guru of local politics managed to loose his seat with almost the aplombe and alacrity with which he sabotaged Prof. Tim Congdon‘s leadership bid!

Much is made of seizing overall control of a Parish Council!!!! One where Party politics has never featured before!
Vicar of Dibbley here we come – Next stop Government and the world.

Almost as hysterical as when UKIP made much of selling Marion Mason of Stevenage as a defectee from the Tories who was leader of the Tories in the Council – Indeed she was there were two of them!

As risible as the fantasy world of David Bannerman and the lies about his ancestry or the cheating and lies of Mick McGough, the lies of George Curtis or the utter unprofessional incompetence and dishonesty of Andrew Smith, Mark Croucher, Gawain Towler, Annabelle Fuller, John Ison and their sordid ilk – this sort of behaviour by UKIP’s failed leadership team merely brings the party into disrepute!

To make much of a seat in Northern Ireland is just a joke – If Henry Reilley had stood for the Sectarian Knicker Elastic Party he would have bounced back into the office he has held based on his PERSONAL record for 22 years.

Of the 9 District Councillors at least 3 were elected because of who they are NOT BECAUSE they were UKIP.

I appreciate UKIP has little professionalism and seemingly less competence but isn’t it time after 18 years that they started to get something right – this is a failure of leadership and just look at the entire so called leadership team can YOU identify a single solitary individual on that team and amongst its parasites that you would fund for a leadership role – Just one to start to build on!

The answer is clearly there isn’t one!

IF there was someone of competence training would have been insisted on – back up woul;d have been constantly available, campaigning would have commenced at least a year ago, target seats would have been selected and none but a congenital idiot would have expected to get a member elected in Wales without a campaign, strategy AND tactics – they didn’t even have anyone with one wit of political competence to put on radio and had such contempt for Wales they didn’t stand a single individual in a single seat – there’s commitment boyo!

We desperately need UKIP but with its present leadership team and the useless articles gathered around them UKIP is going nowehere – no wonder Marta Andreasen is making her bid for re-election through gesture politics so early!

To secure a British flag in The EPP will be a coup for them that will no doubt translate into a safe MEP seat in the center right politics of Spain.

Marta Andreasen‘s attack on Farage was unprincipled, unprofessional and underhand – her behaviour has yet again been, as this blog has warned since the duplicitous Hugh Williams put her forward for Malcolm Pearson’s insipid and witless support, she has acted entirely in keeping with her CV and track record which marked her out as self serving, venal, untrustworthy and dishonest – Spain is more than welcome to this viper.

For the many attacks mounted on Nikki Sinclaire, the lies promoted about her the sneering and efforts to denigrate her and the dishonesty and duplicity of Pearson, farage, Gill and others – perhaps you can identify a single speech or statement made in attack on UKIP or its core values nor has she spoken out against even Farage despite his having lied to her and about her and even gone so far as to denounce her on National TV.

Clearly Marta Andreasen has shown no such restraint and it is clear from the continuum of work for her constituents and the cause that despite Farage’s betrayal of her Sinclaire is unwilling to demean herself by acting in his manner lining up dishonest stooges to burgle and rob his offices!

In fact I follow her actions fairly closely in the public domain as with others who might be competent to crew OUR lifeboat and never once have I noted an act of disloyalty to UKIP, her electorate or her colleagues and until stabbed in the back by the party I note she was one of the largest single donors to the party even whilst trying to fund a Nationwide Petition to raise the profile of EUroScepticism and exploit the Government undertaking to hold a full debate on any issue that gained 100,000 signatures.

Farage MUST be retained IF he is prepared to be answerable to a leadership team in which he has no part – if he lacks the competence and common sense to accept his incompetence as a leader then there is surely no place for him in UKIP and it is time to remove UKIP from the scum that as gathered at its troughs and if need be start to rebuild and reconstruct our lifeboat.

Clearly Farage would/could be a great asset IF he is prepared to throw his weight and ability behind the cause as a team player but as an out of control prima donna propped up as a strutting poppinjay crowing from the dung heap he has built of those he pays as praise singers he is worse than useless and this same debate will, as in the past, continually be repeated.

I note with interest another of Farage’s proteges fell from grace in the courts with a driving conviction in Banbury, loss of two vehicles to the repo man and at least two more serious driving related incidents on the horizon! I gather perforce that Utility may prove a stumbling block and did anyone check the CRBs of staff, employees and party icons?

If for no other reason than the dung stacked high on which Farage must stand whilst others seek to stand on the shoulders of giants the rotten core of UKIP which he has built and engineered for himself precludes him being other than risible as a leader as results have shown repeatedly in domestic politics.

Sadly, possibly the only lesson that is learned from history is that we never seemingly learn from history!

Decent folk and activists identify the problem TRY to make changes from within fail and drift away faced by the scum of the earth gathered in defence of the indefensible AND their own interests – time and again this has happened and only the low lifes are willing to prostitute themselves to remain a part of the dung heap from which the cock crows endlessly.

Consider the impossible position of Bufton who was a complete failure in The Welsh elections as he had acted with SOME integrity and knowing what Farage and the idiots gathered in Wales wanted to do was bound to fail and was fundamentally dishonest he distanced him,self.

He knows now he will be snipped at and preached against and he knows that supporting The EFD is morally reprehensible but seeing his main chance of re-election he will pretend to stay top make changes from within when in reality he just lacks the moral fiber to stand on his own feet. Look at the other UKIP MEPs who remain wallowing in the dung heap under Farage’s control, they are without exception self serving trash – liars, cheats, nebishes and fools.

The circular argument will return and return until change or collapse occurs – whichever comes first and just as in 18 years UKIP has not moved Britain one inch closer to the exit clearly as part of a Pan EU political party to oblige The EU makes them part of the problem and no part of the solution as they carouse around the flesh pots and honey traps of Brussels & Strasburgh – bought and paid for by their masters The EU.
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