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UKIP vs EUkip – FlexCit offers the UK an EU Exit and Survival strategy

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UKIP vs EUkip – FleXcit offers the UK an EU Exit and Survival strategy.

I make no apology for the length of this post as it is aimed for those who are seriously interested in leaving the EU and realise the need for a workable and ethical eXit and Survival strategy.
I believe the time is now right, with the passing of the Euro Elections, to refocus this thread, by adding to the title, to thus change the emphasis from the exploits of Nigel’s EUkip to the challenge of getting UKIP and others to adopt a workable eXit and Survival Strategy.

My thanks to the moderators for facilitating this.

The reason for adding to the original title instead of a starting a new thread is to keep the post’s history, context and development as we refocus on the ‘HOW’ best we will actually be able to leave the EU without which I maintain we will never win the battle to leave the EU.

The important consideration now is to win any In/Out referendum ‘if’ and ‘when’ held and not forgetting the all important task of ensuring the outcome, assuming we win, is binding.

Currently I believe the only VIABLE ‘eXit and Survival Plan’ in the public domain is FleXcit as written by Dr Richard North, with contributions from many of those who read his blog EU Referendum blog. Even a recent review of the six finalists in the IEA’s BreXit competition acknowledged that they did NOT provide the definitive solution and another may well be needed.

What is abundantly clear is that without the ‘Outers’ mustering behind a WORKABLE plan the field will be left open to the Establishment and Europhiles to use Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) to maintain the status quo. The history of the 1975 referendum proves this point extensively and I highly recommend the well researched and authoritive book on the subject by two fellows of Nuffield College Oxford, David Butler and Uwe Kitzinger unsurprisingly called, ‘The 1975 Referendum’!

This thread was of course started on the 27th February 2011 with the intent of pointing out the differences between where UKIP should be heading and where I and others felt Nigel Farage was leading the party which, to differentiate, I called EUKip. As I asked within days of starting the thread ‘What is UKIP for’?

Despite the new title to this thread, it is still my contention, supported by many others who can see beyond his anti EU rhetoric, that Nigel’s EUkip is not fit for the purpose of helping navigate the UK safely out of the EU. In 21 years EUkip has NEVER put forward an ’eXit & Survival Strategy’ in support of their claim to be seeking an amicable divorce form the EU. Claiming you want something is the easy part but tackling the how and having the power to implement your plans is of course an entirely separate matters both of which Nigel’s EUkip doesn’t come close to – in terms of gravitas, competence or ability –  as proved over the last 21 years.

Since the beginning of this thread I have learned a great deal and been able to hone my arguments over the whole EU debate and after a few faltering early comments and remarks, which I have acknowledged, my aim has been to see UKIP reformed but not destroyed. I have tried endlessly to explain and persuade others that UKIP will never be reformed under Nigel Farage’s divisive cult style leadership and as the apparent Eurosceptic brand leader we need UKIP to appeal beyond its relatively small core vote, shown recently to be a mere 9% of the electorate, to over 50% of the electorate, a level of support obviously needed to win that referendum when called.

Another point I have brought up over and over again is that Nigel Farage has never invested the intellectual effort and time to produce an eXit and Survival plan preferring to concentrate his efforts to achieve electoral success at the Euro and General Elections. However as I have also frequently pointed out UKIP MEPs are about as much good as an ashtray on a motorbike and Nigel’s plans, to concentrate on elections, currently shows no signs of getting an MP to Westminster, especially after the Newark result where they could not have been better placed to win. They were still on the crest of the wave, after their success at the Euro elections, the candidate was the ex-Tory Roger Helmer who was well known in the area, Cameron’s Tories are unpopular with many core Conservatives and finally the out going MP Patrick Mercer was exposed for corruption.

Despite all these factors in UKIP’s favour the Tories won handsomely with 17,431 to UKIP’s 10,020. By any serious analysis this result bodes ill for any prospect UKIP has of gaining a single MP let alone a workable number at the 2015 General Election.

As I have often said Nigel and his cabal have all gone native in Brussels and his latest ‘freebie’ escapade in Malta before the Newark bye election provides all the evidence you need that he always puts his own self interests above those of HIS party.

So how can FleXcit help us leave the EU and what does it advocate?

The FleXcit paper, which I recommend is the sort of document you need to read several times to really start to understand it, is due to be published in the Autumn but you can still read the latest version as it is developed at :-
http://www.flexcit.org/

In summary the plan, which is a play on the words FleXible, eXit and Continuous Development, is just that a FleXible and Continuous Plan to help us Exit safely from the EU, after 40 years of integration, whilst upholding all our international treaty obligations which we are legally and morally obliged to honour, under the terms of the Vienna Treaty on International Treaties. This will allow us once again to gradually take our own seat at the global top table rather than, as we currently are, being represented by an unelected EU official. As we negotiate ourselves out of the EU we will be free to act directly, on the world stage, for our own interests, unfettered by membership of the EU. It is a given, as advocated by any serious commentator and even the recent IEA Brexit competition, that the start point for beginning the process of Britain’s withdrawal from the EU will result from us implementing Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

The absolutely vital fact to grasp is that FleXcit advances a flexible continuous process that will crucially neutralise the Establishment’s use of FUD and their promotion of the false safety of remaining with the status quo, which can be seen, has not been successful especially in the EU! In the initial stages this is what has become known as the Norway Option, involving joining EFTA to retain our membership of the EEA, but it is only the start of the flexible and continuous process we will be on until we regain our complete independence from the EU. FlexCit will help fight classic FUD like the scare that ‘3 million jobs will be lost if we leave the EU’, which is simply NOT the case as we have no intention of leaving the Single Market (SM) made up of 28 countries until, further down the line, something better can be negotiated between the other 22 countries in Europe that are not members of the EU’s SM.

So FleXcit is a multi layer solution where the Norway Option is only an interim step along the way to establishing something much larger which will be achieved via the eight point plan explained in it.

Interestingly there is no strong economic case that can be made for leaving the EU and we will always struggle to argue for withdrawal on those grounds just as conversely there is equally no economic case for staying in the EU. However there are strong democratic and humanitarian reasons for leaving the EU related to the advantages of Self Determination and taking back control of our own destiny from undemocratic and unrepresentative Euro politicians and the unelected bureaucrats and of course, as already mentioned, the benefits of representing our own self interests on the world stage.

It is after leaving the EU that we would be free to concentrate on pushing forward with the introduction of The Harrogate Agenda’s (THA) six demands, which are based on the principles of Direct Democracy, as while leaving the undemocratic EU is a start we would still be faced by a corrupted and undemocratic Westminster. THA aims to give ‘Real Power to the People’.

Having left the EU an integral part of the FleXcit plan is the realisation that the democracy at Westminster must not only be greater and more responsible but more closely responsive to the peoples of Britain, to avoid them ever again being duped, as they were over the Common Market, by the MPs they have elected to serve them. Our political elite are increasingly a law unto themselves and only by the people being recognised as sovereign over our Parliament will things change. As a reminder THA’s six demands are:-

1. Recognition of our sovereignty:
The peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland comprise the ultimate authority of their nations and are the source of all political power. That fact shall be recognised by the Crown and the Governments of our nations, and our Parliaments and Assemblies;
2. Real local democracy:
The foundation of our democracy shall be the counties (or other local units as may be defined), which shall become constitutional bodies exercising under the control of their peoples all powers of legislation, taxation and administration not specifically granted by the people to the national government;
3. Separation of powers:
The executive shall be separated from the legislature. To that effect, prime ministers shall be elected by popular vote; they shall appoint their own ministers, with the approval of parliament, to assist in the exercise of such powers as may be granted to them by the sovereign people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; no prime ministers or their ministers shall be members of parliament or any legislative assembly;
4. The people’s consent:
No law, treaty or government decision shall take effect without the consent of the majority of the people, by positive vote if so demanded, and that none shall continue to have effect when that consent is withdrawn by the majority of the people;
5. No taxation or spending without consent:
No tax, charge or levy shall be imposed, nor any public spending authorised, nor any sum borrowed by any national or local government except with the express approval the majority of the people, renewed annually on presentation of a budget which shall first have been approved by their respective legislatures;
6. A constitutional convention:
Parliament, once members of the executive are excluded, must host a constitutional convention to draw up a definitive codified constitution for the peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. It shall recognise their sovereign status and their inherent, inalienable rights and which shall be subject to their approval.

For more on THA see:

http://HarrogateAgenda.org.uk

I still believe it will be important, in this thread, to continue to link to what others are saying about UKIP, as I originally set out to do, and generally comment on such links while adding my own thoughts as necessary and applicable. This of course helps to expose the incompetence at the heart of Nigel’s EUkip and of some of his supporters as demonstrated on this forum.

So by adding to my original aim, of highlighting EUkip’s need to reform, I will now use this thread to seek to explain the importance to UKIP of the FleXcit plan as currently the only workable and honourable ‘eXit and Survival plan’ from the EU which helps neutralise the Establishments use of FUD and will thus help us to win the referendum.

That UKIP members and branches still potentially have some clout, with their county coverage, is not in doubt but they will need to start to think for themselves and therefore must look beyond Nigel Farage and his cabal’s poor leadership and to push and promote the FlexCit plan. Nigel’s current focus on anti EU rhetoric and attempts to win seats next year will NOT on its own help us to win the all important referendum. I don’t hold out much hope that Nigel is capable of changing his ways and the behaviour and quality of output of his 24 MEPs will, in a relatively short time, give us all the evidence we need to see if they are really serious about wanting to leave the EU.

I hope you will join constructively in this new phase of this thread, working to assist in supporting and improving the FleXcit plan, in the spirit of continuous development, between now and the referendum ‘if’ and ‘when’ held. Also I hope you will do all you can to spread the word that the FleXcit plan helps counter the Establishments use of FUD to maintain the status quo by answering the all important question as to ‘HOW’ we can safely leave the EU. This is a plan that does NOT get in the way of party allegiances and so should provide no barrier to any real ’Outer’ supporting it.

Don’t forget that no political party is permitted to lead on either the Yes or the No side in any referendum so those who are really serious about seeking a safe and honourable exit from the EU should be able to gather around this plan.

So FleXcit it has to be if UKIP or anyone else for that matter really wants to win the battle to successfully leave the EU.

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#0771* – The Cowardice of the Vituperative UKIP Claque!

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#0764* – Has UKIP achieved its aim and what next for UKIP?

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Has UKIP achieved any of its declared aims and what next for UKIP whether they are considered to have achieved those aims or failed?

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it is not often that a supporter of UKIP compiles a report on their current status – yes I am aware there are claims and spin by the ambitious and the gullible but in the main they are nothing more than idiotic attempts to dupe the gullible by the gullible who have been duped – or from members of the claque seeking preferment!

Niall Warry, after many years of association with UKIP and having held some of UKIP’s highest offices, has, as a long term supporter, written a better than passible critique.

Niall Warry’s critique being both informed and informative is by no means, yet another, desperate attempt to spin the truth to show optimistic victory in the face of palpable failure. Niall Warry shows both the failures and a way forward – more, sadly, than anyone in UKIP or its leadership seems to have the political intelligence to do!

I commend Niall Warry’s critique and suggestions to you, not just because he is well informed but also because he has held relevant Office in the Party and as a supporter advocates simple and obvious solutions that are well within the grasp and remit of UKIP’s leadership – however unprofessional and crass they may be!

Has UKIP achieved its aim and what next for UKIP?

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I’m not actually sure what UKIP’s aim is and visiting their website left me none the wiser, but I suppose if we take UKIP’s primary AIM as this much quoted saying of Nigel Farage’s :-
“We seek an amicable divorce from the European Union and its replacement with a genuine free-trade agreement, which is what we thought we’d signed up for in the first place.
Then you would conclude that to date UKIP has NOT achieved its aim, nor is ever likely to.
Interestingly, and I see this as quite revealing insight into Nigel Farage’s current psyche, he doesn’t appear to say this anymore or certainly with as much clarity as he once did.
Why not?
Does he in his heart think, like I and many others do, that the most probable outcome is that the EU is going to collapse at sometime in the future?

Has he therefore, given his style and temperament, decided to enjoy the EU gravy train while he is able?

Is this not also supported by the fact that Nigel Farage was founder and co president of the EFD, for the extra money it gave UKIP, despite as a Group being pro EU membership and containing some extreme racists and anti homosexuals.
The one thing Nigel Farage is not, is stupid, and so he must have concluded that, so long as the LibLabCon continues to hold sway at Westminster, with UKIP so hopelessly low in the polls and the EU ignoring the various referendums voting NO to Lisbon then, there is absolutely NO chance of anyone helping to initiate the EU’s demise least of all UKIP.
This certainly gives Nigel Farage a perfect excuse for never having had any Strategy, Tactics or Plan!
However the past is the past but, going forward, what could UKIP still do that would assist the overall Eurosceptic cause?
Benefits Analysis and our Exit and Survival Strategy
Well as I have constantly repeated of late it could spearhead the vital and necessary work of producing and publishing for free distribution a full Benefits Analysis of why we would be ‘Better off Out’ and also a comprehensive Exit & Survival Strategy to ensure a smooth transition from EU membership to simply trading with the member states.
In support of these two most vital publications, what else should UKIP do as the self proclaimed brand leader and still, despite the internal troubles, the only realistic Eurosceptic political party?
Next Euro Election
Despite agreeing with Alan Sked’s initial view, that UKIP should not go to Brussels, we are now where we are and keeping our representation in the EU Parliament does have some useful advantages if handled correctly. However the key places on the Regional MEP lists should go to high profile candidates, of some recognised public gravitas, like Tim Congdon from the party.

There are of course many from outside the party who would be ideal candidates. High profile candidates, who are already in the public eye, could generate far more anti EU publicity which, given the current state of the EU, could help finish it off!

Funnily enough keeping Nigel Farage for his media skills and recognition would make him a useful part of the team, but he needs to realise that he is not cut out to be the leader as his behaviour, judgement and divisive nature have clearly shown over the years.

So it would be churlish not to recognise that the Euro Elections are still UKIP’s battle ground from which, with better leadership, better candidates and a basic plan a great deal more and better quality anti EU PR could be achieved.
Next General Election
Unlike the Euro Elections the facts are: UKIP have not even come close in 18 years in getting an MP elected. In addition the only MP who rebadged to UKIP, Bob Spink, left shortly afterwards having changed his mind one can only assume once he realised what Nigel Farage’s EUKIP was all about.
To still be only attracting, in the main, around 4% in domestic elections after so long has little meaning or value. Even when they do achieve a higher percentage share of the vote it still usually leaves them trailing in 3rd or 4th place.

In our traditonal two horse race it is ridiculous, on current form, to believe UKIP will have any meaningful relevance for years to come.

So in this area, of failing to make any impression at Westminster after 18 years, Nigel Farage’s lack of any coherent strategy, tactics or plan are surely laid bare.
To improve this situation detailed research and analysis is needed so that UKIP only select a limited number of seats in which they might have the most impact and then concentrate all their limited resources to these seats.
The trouble is, particularly under Nigel Farage, that UKIP have not been able to demonstrate that they are any better than the other parties and sadly Nigel Farage’s record shows that under his leadership he is unlikely to ever convince the British public that UKIP has what it takes.
There are so many reasons which bar UKIP from making a break through at Westminster it is difficult to know where to start.

However just consider one of many examples of the muddle at the heart of UKIP.

As the ‘UNITED KINGDOM Independence Party’ they cannot even decide if they are for the Welsh Assembly or not. Recently the UKIP members in Wales wished to oppose the Assembly but Nigel Farage over ruled them.

Nigel Farage does manage to get some PR for his occasional outbursts of anti EU rhetoric but this has to be viewed alongside the overall smell of corruption in UKIP which, is there for all to see, and we can only assume will be used by the media in a manner of their choosing.
Given UKIP’s chequered history and policy confusions at its heart does anyone seriously think that the British people will ever vote in a UKIP MP?
Summary
UKIP under Nigel Farage’s leadership will never be good enough to seriously compete or beat the LibLabCon and so will sadly continue to be an irrelevance. By way of consolation, as one part of the Eurosceptic Movement, they can at least look forward to the EU’s collapse knowing, along with the likes of Jimmy Goldsmith’s efforts to keep us out the Euro, that they did have a walk on part in this drama!
However the job is far from done and the two big outstanding jobs that need to be tackled, and UKIP are ideally suited to take this on, is first to complete a Benefits Analysis as to how much better off we would be outside the EU and second to publish a detailed Exit and Survival Strategy to go into the detail of how we extract ourselves from the EU to make our withdrawal as smooth as possible when the time comes.

Repatriating powers from Brussels needs to be carefully planned for as the old saying goes:

“Time spent in preparation and planning is seldom wasted”.

Can EUkip once again become UKIP and rise to these two important challenges with a strategy, tactics and plan for the next Euro and General Elections that will assist and support these two most vital publications?

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#0761* – A Summary of some aspects of the John ISON farce!

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it is interesting to note the obvious disgust at John Ison’s behaviour and revulsion at the unprofessional behaviour of UKIP leadership in their anti homosexual and vindictive treatment of Nikki Sinclaire, on a UKIP controlled Forum!

It is all but impossible for UKIP to claim it is not anti homosexual and now especially with the addition of the supporter of Tom Wise!

Roger Helmer defedtee from the Tories because he could not get his own way when he stepped down as an MEP, he who set out to try to have the deffinition of where his house was, in order to try to claim even more expenses as an MEP!

Roger Helmer recently stated his opinion that homosexuality was a treatable mental illness – surely the world left that view behind in the 1960s, when we campaigned for the decriminalisation of homosexual acts between consenting adults. I should imagine The Tories are glad to see the back of this idiotic man with his arcane views and his plastic EUroScepticism as he milks the system for all it is worth TO HIM!

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    Depending on which side of the Miss Sinclaire/Mr Ison ‘conflict’ one finds oneself on, one could feel that the other is only interested in smearing them.

    One could, or one could try to think beyond the purely superficial.

    In January 2010, UKIP’s NEC unwisely allowed itself to be dragged into what was basically a personal spat between two MEPs, Sinclaire and Farage.

    The correct course would have been to tell Nigel Farage that the NEC had no constitutional power to compel MEPs to join a particular group (which it hadn’t), and that any complaint about Nikki Sinclaire leaving the EFD should be submitted through the party’s disciplinary channel. That would have forced Farage to demonstrate exactly how Sinclaire had breached UKIP’s rules (if she had), provided an opportunity for mediation, and ensured that if necessary the matter be decided in the proper way by the discipline committee (from which NEC members are barred).

    Instead of which, the chairman of the NEC foolishly issued a statement Statement from UKIP chairman – UK Independence Party on behalf of the committee, announcing that Sinclaire would not be permitted to stand for UKIP at future elections on the grounds of her having left the EP group, and having “failed to declare other relevant issues to the interview panel when she was selected as a UKIP candidate” (which she denied). If Sinclaire chose to challenge this legally, as past experience suggested she might, any breach of normal disciplinary procedure or evidence of her having been treated less favourably than others in similar situations, would obviously disadvantage UKIP hugely.

    Within a matter of months, first Mike Nattrass then Trevor Colman followed her out of the EFD, yet no action was taken against them by the NEC and, unlike Sinclaire, both are still accepted as UKIP MEPs and listed as such on the party website.

    Now we see that the article linked by Alex McKee at #9 raises the possibility that the second of the accusations levelled at Sinclaire – that of failing to declare relevant issues to a candidate selection panel – may also have applied to John Ison.

    Ison stood as UKIP candidate in Redditch in 2005 and Solihull in 2010, being bound by the party constitution on both occasions to make “a written application and shall make full disclosure of any fact, political or personal, that may have a bearing on their suitability for selection as a candidate”. In 2010 the application form stated: “I am not aware of any circumstances from my past that might cause embarrassment to the party were it to be revealed”.

    Did Ison fail to declare that he had been banned by court order from seeing his children, and lie by signing the form anyway? If so, now that the story is known through circulation on the internet, the NEC will be guilty of victimizing Nikki Sinclaire if it doesn’t ban Ison from standing in all future elections just as it has banned her.

    If he did declare it and was allowed to stand despite this, the party and all its future candidates will be at risk from resulting bad publicity, but why would a party that goes to the length of demanding CRB checks on its candidates precisely in order to screen out potential problems, regard a court order protecting five-year-olds from their own father as not having a bearing on his suitability as a candidate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboo View Post
    One could, or one could try to think beyond the purely superficial…..

    And indeed you do, Barboo. A quite stunning post, extraordinarily well-informed and astute.

    The questions it raises, which I asked myself on being informed of the archive article on the court case only recently, are for members of the party. Which is why I did not ask them publicly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboo View Post
    Did Ison fail to declare that he had been banned by court order from seeing his children, and lie by signing the form anyway?

    I’ve no idea what Ison has or has not declared but he was pre-UKIP a notable public campaigner for fathers rights. How have you come to the apparent conclusion that his own circumstances were not already in the public domain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Morson View Post
    And indeed you do, Barboo. A quite stunning post, extraordinarily well-informed and astute.

    Thank you, Steve!


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    I’ve no idea what Ison has or has not declared but he was pre-UKIP a notable public campaigner for fathers rights. How have you come to the apparent conclusion that his own circumstances were not already in the public domain?

    I haven’t come to any conclusion on the matter and that is not the point. UKIP’s constitution does not put responsibility onto candidate selection panels for acquainting themselves with applicants’ personal circumstances from what is in the public domain. It states categorically that candidates shall make full disclosure.

    If John Ison did not do so then natural justice demands that he should be treated the same as Nikki Sinclaire in what the NEC claims was a similar circumstance (failure to disclose, which she denies), and banned as she was from standing in future elections. Not to ban Ison would be a second example of Sinclaire being treated more harshly than others, the first being that action was taken against her for leaving the EFD but not against Nattrass and Colman.

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    It is very simple really Nigel doesn’t concern himself with rule books, as I’ve had experience of, by his selfish standards there is one rule for him and his mates and another for his foes.

You may be interested to note YET AGAIN that the false accusation of failure to disclose made against Nikki Sinclaire was an unprofessional pack of lies from UKIP Leadership and pure discrimination.

Nikki Sinclaire was madse technically bankrupt (ie based on the claim of one man who served p0apers at an address at which she clearly did not live as she washelping UKIP set up their head office in Birmingham!).

The details were IMMEDIATELY reported by Nikki Sinclaire to The Returning Officer in the election, in which she stood. She also informed Michael Zucherman The UKIP Part Secretary at the time.

I also published the full details at the time as they were a matter of public record, as is the fact that John Ison was not found guilty in a Court Case of assault on his wife who left him for another woman but WAS deemed unfit to have access to his children, presumably his volatile temper or underhand behaviour were deemed a risk to children.


As to bankruptcy being ostensibly a cause of the UKIP Leadership’s unprofessional and partisan behaviour the Guilty Judgement against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and UKIP inCourt would seem to indicate otherwise as would the official caution from the EU Parliament aganst Godfrey Bloom for his anti homosexual bullying.


It is interesting to note that John Ison’s vindictive and malicious behaviour against Nikki Sinclaire and his various thefts and seeming ‘construction’ of so called evidence, in collusion with others (including the proven corrupt Christopher Gill see: CLICK HERE) may all be a vindictive attack based on John Ison’s seemingly very ‘challenged’ sexuality and unhappy marriage!


Nikki Sinclaire’s treatment at the hands of UKIP’s partyisan and unprofessional leadership can not be on the grounds of her historic bankruptcy reported at the time, despite the clamourings of Nigel Farage’s sewer rat Mark Croucher who we KNOW colluded in what seems clearly to be efforts to set Nikki Sinclaire up to curry favour with Nigel Farage!


I say it can not be based on the irrefutable fact that Niel Hamilton the formerly disgraced Tory MP was courted by Farage and joined UKIP some 5 years ago and is now, we understand, promised a leading seat as a contender for election to public office once more and as is also a matter of record he was bankrupt and was recently boasting of it on national TV.


Perhaps Niall Warry was correct that in the corrupt world of UKIP:
It is very simple really Nigel doesn’t concern himself with rule books, as I’ve had experience of, by his selfish standards there is one rule for him and his mates and another for his foes.

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#0752* – UKIP Supporters’ Damaging Cyber Bullying & Lies

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It is clear that on a greatly rising tide of EUroScepticism UKIP’s failure is exacerbated by the behaviour of its aspirant supporters (cowards, cheats, liars, fraudsters and cyber bullies) and association with racism, anti homosexuality, holocaust denial, anti judaism, advocacy of violence and the dregs of EUropean politics!

The lack of leadership ability, strategy or valid tactics is a reflection of the clear lack of professionalism and disinterest in its membership or Country beyond self enrichment of a small clique and agrandisement of their claque!

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I note the cyber cowards and liars are up to speed with their jobs!

Whether individuals like Independent UKIP, Skeptyk, Gothmog, KrisH and the like are merely cowards who know they are telling lies and are ashamed or are rewarded for their dishonesty and unpleasant manner, so damaging to UKIP and the EUroRealist cause and therefore having prostituted their ethics is a matter of conjecture but endlessly having them repeat their lies and feeble efforts as cyber bullies hidden behind the cowardly cloak of anonymity without being denounced by UKIP has done the party immense harm.

As a member ‘Trusted’ on the UKIP controlled squalid little Forum of Antyhony Butcher’s Independent UKIP currently leads the charge!

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Quote QUOTES the opinion Originally Posted by Steve Morson View Post
Well…..

Everyone I’ve seen supports their assertions validly, except for 1 or 2 UKIP members. Like you. As we’ve seen.

I’ve asked repeatedly for sensitive flowers to point out where I’ve been rude. Not a single, specific instance has been quoted.

I’m I see now I’ve rattled I-UKIP’s cage, he’s responded (and of course, I can’t see it). So predictable.

Despite being a compulsive liar Mr Lance-Watkins maintains he always tells the truth in everything he says. Despite obdurate rudeness over many months you maintain you’ve never been rude. Is he grooming you to take over? You’re demonstrating increasingly familiar traits.

Clearly a dishonest attempt to mislead people as neither Independent UKIP nor any of the other maggots feeding on the corruption in UKIP, and too ashamed to use their own names when abusing people, has EVER shown a single solitary consequential inaccuracy in ANY of my many 1,000s of postings!

I am also unaware of them ever being able to materially fault those posting as Junius. I am aware they haven’t a clue who posting facts as Junius but I am aware that there is a strong possibility UKIP may find itself in Court YET AGAIN were they to interfere in someone’s employment based on their various false guesses!

I note (thanks) that Niall warry has read my blog, as do UKIP leadership and their puppets and muppets, desperately trying to find a factual inaccuracy – at which they have clearly and totally failed to date. Much as they may wish to disagree with the clearly stated opinions I also voice!

Niall Warry quoted:

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Go on give him a call if you have a query.

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I disagree. 

A rather foolish statement as anyone will note as Niall Warry said absolutely nothing with which he could disagree but he is so programmed to be offensive that he has made rather a fool of himself. Clearly he could not disagree with my comment as clearly he was not in conversation with me – probably too much of a coward or advised by his puppet masters that he was on far too weak ground to risk direct contact!
May I thank Steve Morson for his support in rebutting this foolish little chappie and refuting what the serial liar Independent UKIP said originally (for the umpteenth time without a shred of evidence of EVER showing a material fact posted by me to be materially inaccurate), he just keeps repeating his lines, presumably for his UKIP funded rewards – a bit like the odious liar, cheat and criminally inclined public nuisance Mick McGough!
Anyway – my thanks to Steve Morson and Niall Warry for speaking out at the risk of being lied about and abused by the dwindling army of useful idiots cyber bullying for UKIP.
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GLW ends his latest blog entry with this:-

Our thanks to the many who ensure we maintain the accuracy and veracity of our postings and have done so for several years & many 1,000s of postings both on our own blogs, YouTube, eMails & Forums…..

Well, of course, I only have knowledge of GL-W thanks to 2 UKIP members – 1 an MEP – and I can only say, from personal experience, that he is quite fastidious about accuracy.

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Well, of course, I only have knowledge of GL-W thanks to 2 UKIP members – 1 an MEP – and I can only say, from personal experience, that he is quite fastidious about accuracy.

Piffle!

There are a number of articles that have been found to lack in integrity and accuracy. Articles with purposive intention; personal opinion and values from an individual with an axe to grind.

Yet one notes that in the many 1,000s of postings I have made on my blogs, other blogs and web sites – Forums and eMails UKIP have been unable to identify a single solitary factual error of any material consequence.

Yes I have an axe to grind – does not everyone of any ability to reason? One of those axes is that I can not stand corruption amongst those I misguidedly supported. I find use of fake identities to abuse and berate private individuals in ad hominem attacks beneath contempt, I am disgusted by betrayal by those I aided and voted for, I have nothing but contempt for UKIP leadership which has NOTHING to publicly curb the cyber bullying and clear dishonesty of some of its leadership and many of its supporters, presumably in aspirant hope of reward.

I have utter contempt for fraud, liars, cheats and those who seek self enrichment and self agrandisement willingly involved in racism, religious bigotry, anti homosexuality, anti judaism and espousing violence as a primary plank of political achievement or those willing to associate with such behaviour.

I have NEVER denied that I am an individual of VERY clear and openly stated opinions and values and for the likes of the creepy succubi, puppets and inccubi of UKIP leadership to berate me for having clearly held values and opinions makes them look the fools they clearly prove to be!

FOR THE RECORD:
Yet again I repeat I have NEVER, on any issue in any place or at any time, have I deliberately lied or set out to mislead anyone on any issue.

Further in all my many postings on the internet I have ALWAYS shown clearly who I am and have always made my contact details readily available.

Further I have ALWAYS strenuously endeavoured to provide accurate FACTS and clear opinions.

Further I have ALWAYS made it clear that if ANYONE believes I have made an error of FACT and have contacted me in a polite and adult manner using an identified and contactable legal persona I have been all too willing to correct any fact which they can substantiate to be untrue.

To date NEVER has any material FACT of consequence been shown to be false, untrue or deliberately misleading.

IF you disagree and can show reason for any material FACT to be corrected do contact me and any required and substantiated substantive correction will be made, acknowledged and if need be apologised for. I will NOT merely make a clandestine adjustment or removal of such an error!
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#0731* – The Lies of Nick CLEGG & irelevance of UKIP

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Both, after numerous elections on behalf of UKIP as candidates AND organisers eventually quit UKIP in disgust!

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I think, like a few here prober, there is a feeling that UKIP, in it’s present form and “leadership” profile, isn’t going anywhere. So whilst I think it should be giving thought to an exit and post-secession strategy, it is – electorally speaking – a pipe dream. Instead of getting their policies right, media message “on song” with the public and MSM, an appealing website (the harshest criticism I hear comes from active members), and then an electoral strategy which doesn’t involve blanket coverage in a general election, then they may be rewarded with a seat or two in a general election (maybe not even the next one!)

That disgraceful brainwashing and propaganda like this garbage that Clegg has vomited goes unchallenged by UKIP is a true obscenity of our age. This has been spouted a few times in BBC1 Question Time, until Peter Hitchens tore Sarah Teather a new one confronting her to name a single source that could support this nonsense. She couldn’t – of course – and was utterly humiliated. In fact, Civitas have analysed that 3 million jobs in the EU depend on the UK’s membership.

But at the moment, as when I left it, the only thing that matters is the Euro elections in 2014, and jockeying for position and backstabbing / throatcutting for those started over a year ago. Believe it or not! Local / county elections can remain uncontested, the only thing that matters is the gravy train club…. I mean…. European parliament elections. Generally speaking.

 Niall Warry commented:

What an accurate analysis from an ex-insider, who like myself, saw first hand what EUKIP is now all about.

The whole sordid (which in this context I mean ‘selfish and grasping’) EUKIP machine is now about one thing, which is the election of MEPs onto the EU gravy train, who as a prerequisite must all sycophantically worship at the feet of and ‘Big up’ Nigel Farage.

It is for these reasons I keep banging on about EUKIP in the possible hope something might just improve but increasingly I have realised that this is a pretty forlorn hope.

Even so I still maintain it is essential that those of us who rumbled EUKIP a long time ago owe it to the country to keep pointing out the unpalatable truth about Nigel’s EUKIP.

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To clarify the source of the lies from Nick Clegg and others it is worth noting that the figure of ‘3 Million jobs being dependent on the EU’ was from a report commissioned by The Labour Party and when Blair and others quoted it dishonestly out of context the director of The IPPR who produced the report was most outspoken and stated that ‘…never had he seen facts so dishonestly misquoted out of context’ and he resigned!

Firstly the report made it clear that the jobs were dependent on The EU NOT on membership of The EU and it went on to make it very clear that leaving The EU would not only cause a probable INCREASE in jobs within 6 months but that our trader defecit with The EU would most probably greatly improve.

Further The EU Commission made it VERY clear that when we leave the EU there would be absolutely no consideration of any type of trade sanctions against our goods, services or peoples.
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YOU will note a link to the original was provided – so no attempt was made to mislead ANYONE. 
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#0550* – UKIP As Ever Seem Very Confused – This MAY Help!

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#0550* – UKIP As Ever Seem Very Confused – This MAY Help!

 

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Little Christopher PALMER Might care to apologise and not so regularly make a fool of himself and UKIP!

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Christopher Palmer has rather made a pratt of himself stridently attacking niall Warry on UKIP’s Forum as run by the sordid little liar and low life Anthony Butcher whose political career seems to have ended in disaster as a parish busy body sorting out weighty matters like dog fouling and park benches, litter and layabouts!

Just as have the clowns on Ramsey Parish Council – I wonder if wee Anthony has a chain to wear as Mare as he is ridden around or will he have to wait for ‘Buggins’ Turn’!

Christopher Palmer sheltering his sneering behind the childish name of Kitto posts an attack on Niall Warry as Niall had commented on The UKIP Chairman of Gloucester City Mike Smith as he is clearly shown on UKIP Web site AND as many of us have known him to be.

little Palmer has gratuitously promoted some unheard of dweeb from Tiverton & Honiton UKIP Yooof as the new Chairman of UKIP Gloucester.

I think NOT.

Then we have some unheard of fruitcake Christine Wyndham-Thomas best known for her Introductory certificate in the debunked faux science of homeopathy for pets!

Who chunders forth on a Bristol web site that Mike Smith has stood down as chairman of UKIP Gloucester, with absolutely no cross referencing and the claim that the erstwhile PPC for Thornbury & Yate:

Jenny Knight it is claimed has taken over Gloucestershire County – which may come as a surprise to UKIP’s umbrella salesman the duplicitous and underhand Jim Carver. Still listed as FoD & North Gloucester Chairman despite his salaried job as gofer for Wee Willie Dartmouth.

I wonder if Christopher Palmer will be man enough to apologise for his gratuitous sneering or actually establish what significance to Gloucester  little Daryl Stanbury is.
 
I doubt it as neither ethics, integrity or honesty are held in ANY repute in the sleaze filled ranks of UKIP leadership and its parasites and sycophants – as we have all seen writ large!
One would have thought this little knowal of UKIP Yoooof would use his brain occasionally – let us see what his manners are like!

Chris Palmer: The launch of South West YI

I am a member of the newly created South West branch of Young Independence, and after a successful meeting at the UKIP Conference in Torquay, we are pleased to announce that Daryl Stanbury has been elected the Co-ordinator for YI SW. Daryl stood as the UKIP candidate for Tiverton and Honiton – the youngest candidate UKIP fielded – in the 2010 General Election, receiving a respectable 6% of the vote, thus saving his deposit, as well as increasing UKIP’s share of the vote by almost 30% more than the 2005 result.
In Young Independence South West, we want to create a genuine political force for young people from the Isle of Scilly to the Forest of Dean – the South West is one of UKIP’s strongest areas, and in some ways can be seen as the ‘home’ of UKIP as our Head Office is in Newton Abbott. We know that this will be an uphill struggle, as we will be competing with established youth movements from the other parties, as well as a general disenfranchisement with politics. Despite the best efforts of many people in politics, the majority of young people just aren’t interested!
However, we feel that UKIP can be the ones to offer REAL change – the change young people want to see. As well as repeating the message of withdrawal from the European Union, which attracts people of all ages, we want Young Independence to be a political force campaigning for individual freedoms, civil liberties, a smaller state, less taxes, and a fairer deal for young people whether they be in education or employment.

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It does look as if Christopher Palmer got this wrong!
It does look as if Daryl Stanbury is merely a chairman within UKIP Yooof
Clearly he was GE PPC for Tiverton & Honiton NOT Gloucester.
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I knew Mike Smith when I was UKIP Chairman of Cheltenham and he was Chairman of Gloucester (as he still is).

He was always totally pro UKIP and would not accept Nigel and his cabal were harming UKIP.

So for him to now publicly point out UKIP is EUKIP is important turn about.

Also better late than never and lets hope he is one of many worms that start turning.

Read Junius below on this:-

Junius on UKIP: UKIP Snippets: Mike Smith on Pan-European parties & Stuart Agnew’s hypocrisy

Mike Smith is not the Chairman of the Gloucester branch, Daryl Stanbury is.
1. Taunton Deane Home Page (Somerset/Taunton Deane Association/Taunton Deane Association/Home)
…  Efforts have been made to contact Daryl Stanbury (YI SW)  but as yet he has not responded. Treasurer:  The Treasurer reported in detail on the Annual Accounts, including expenditure on supporting the …

2. St. Ives & IOS UKIP Branch AGM update (Cornwall/St Ives and the Isles of Scilly/St Ives and the Isles of Scilly/News)

…  Chairman Stuart Guppy welcomed speakers Stephanie McWilliam (Chair of Cornwall Chairman Committee), Daryl Stanbury, Gloucester SW Chairman Young Independence and Chris Palmer Plymouth SW Vice-Chairman. …

3. St. Ives & IOS Branch 2011 AGM (Cornwall/St Ives and the Isles of Scilly/St Ives and the Isles of Scilly/Events)

… 2011 7.30 pm The Lugger Hotel Penzance Promenade Speakers: Stephanie McWilliam UKIP Cornwall Chairman Chris Palmer Plymouth  SW Young Independence Daryl Stanbury Gloucester …

4. AGM St. Ives & IOS (Cornwall/St Ives and the Isles of Scilly/St Ives and the Isles of Scilly/Events)

…  Chris Palmer (Plymouth) (UKIP  SW Youth Independence) Daryl Stanbury (Gloucester) (SW Chairman Youth Independence) We are delighted to welcome Chris & Daryl to tell us about the thriving …

5. Daryl Stanbury, YI SW Chairman (Devon/Tiverton and Honiton/Tiverton and Honiton / Home)

Daryl Stanbury   Daryl is the first Chairman of the newly formed Young Independence South West group.        …

6. South West Young Independence (News/Regional News)

  South West Young Independence have elected Daryl Stanbury as their Chairman/Coordinator   Following the successful launch of Young Independence in the South West at the Torquay conference, Daryl …

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… on the link to find out more http://www.youngindependence.org/ or email daryl.stanbury@live.co.uk for details.  …

8. Campaigning at Tiverton Market (Devon/Tiverton and Honiton/Tiverton and Honiton / News)

UKIP have said they have the only General Election Candidate to vote for in Tiverton & Honiton, Daryl Stanbury, if you want to leave the EU. Ken Gilderthorp and Alan Marks campaign at the Tiverton …
It would of course be pleasant to see a clear apology from Christopher Palmer in his own name rather than too ashamed to use it.

Sadly Anthony Butcher seems all too willing to harbour liars, cheats, low lifes and defamatory comments with absolutely no interest in the truth.

Anthony Butcher is clearly a dishonest, corrupt and cowardly little chap which may well explain his serial failures in politics currently holding a position as busybody on a parish council! For all his sycophancy and dishonesty.

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#0433* – Things I Missed Due To Time Constraints for The 20th.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 21/04/2011

#0433* – Things I Missed Due To Time Constraints for The 20th.!
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is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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Things I Missed Due To Time Constraints for The 20th.!
TWO BIRTHDAYS & A MEMORABLE EVENT or TWO!

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Hi,

Well chemo seems to be being very kind to me so far – I seem to have Zero sideffects although I do expect them to kick in like a ton of bricks at some stage but apparently the first dose usually has you knocked back within 12-24 hours and I have a big bag of pills to prove they were fairly convinced it would.

Little things to be hopeful loom large when confronted by an approaching express train when tied to the rails a la Mary Pickford and her step daughter Lilian Gish!

Well that is my excuse for falling behind – how’s yours? ‘cos I’ll probably swop 😉

OK SO WHAT DID I MISS?

Firstly the two Birthdays may I wish Niall Warry many a happy return of his birthday.

May I reasure you all that Adolf Hitler who was born on the same day of the year is most certainly NOT working in a chip shop in the Midlands with his son in memory of TheMitford sisters! Nor for that matter is he in Paraguay with Eva Braun having been born in 1889 he would now be 122 and indeed he DID die in 1945 10 days after his 56th. birthday.

I incline to believe Niall’s birthday is worthy of celebration but Hitler should be applauded on 30th. April for one of his very few intelligent actions!

Also on the 20th April a very great speech was made that was it seems as apposite then as now:

20-Apr-1653 Oliver Cromwell’s Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament

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20-Apr-1653 Oliver Cromwell’s Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament

Oliver Cromwell’s Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament

Given to the House of Commons
20th April 1653

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go! for a few pieces of money. temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!

How very apposite!
As apposite to day for the scoundrels in the body politic of these United Kingdoms and their lick spittles of the Snivil Cervice and the kleptocratic QUANGOcracy as it was of the Rump of 1653!

There is some redolence rung by Tunisia and now Egypt though we may well act more akin with King Abdullah II of Jordan‘s subjects for the time being!

For the original article CLICK HERE

As apposite to the EU as it was to The Westminster Parliament then as no!

#G0463* – CHARGE & The EU DID

It may be malevollent, it may be damaging, it may be an obscenity, it may be undemocratic but sadly for all, the one thing it does know how to do is CHARGE!

Indeed it CHARGES the British tax payers around £50 Million Pounds a day and as even the arch EUroPhile traitor Graham Watson MEP the oleaginous leader of the Lib.Dims. in the EU admits the EU is a net drain of £9 Billion a year in membership fees alone – this clearly does not include the £Billions lost due to the idiotic Red Tape and over regulation and the damaging constraints on British business to advantage our continental competitors.

“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” 
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit of their own agenda and greed, have done more damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years.

The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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#0317* – UKIP IS TO BE "PROFESSIONALISED" WE’VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/03/2011

#0317* – UKIP IS TO BE “PROFESSIONALISED” WE’VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
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is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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Nigel FARAGE MEP EFD LEADER & UKIP Elected States:
“UKIP IS TO BE ROFESSIONALISED” 

WE’VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!!!

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Hi,

I need add no details to this essay about UKIP written by a member in despair or a member of staff in disgust – well in fact BOTH.

It reads so similarly to so many other such essays of personal first hand experience & knowledge – it is unsurprising to the informed that essays as with this one, that of John Petley, Richard Suchorzewski, Niall Warry, Marcus Stead and many more I have read that never reached the public domain, such as that of Robin Page, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott, Geoffrey Kingscott, Roger Knapman and more.

They all neatly dovetail together. Each has a similar tale, each substantiating and corroborating the other.

Sadly I am in a position to confirm virtually every material detail AND MORE! Even sadder is the fact that this was written a couple of years ago and is at least as bad now if not worse. UKIP WAS at one time OUR Lifeboat but with its rotten planking, self serving and self enriching crew, literally £Millions seemingly gone missing unaccounted it is as the essayist states quite clearly at the end ‘UKIP has had its chance and blown it’.

I believe there are areas that UKIP has totally misunderstood and lacked the basic common sense or leadership to present in any plausible way and with the dividive and utterly incompetent lack of leadership the wreck has been largely self induced!

UKIP IS TO BE “PROFESSIONALISED”?
I AM REMINDED OF THE WORDS OF ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLE BROUGHT IN TO PROFESSIONALISE THE PARTY. JOHN PETLEY John was a good man, and a dedicated UKIP activist (and candidate), who learned at first hand what it means to be close to the dishonourable piece of self-serving slime that is known as Nigel Farage.
What has gone wrong? A number of things, and binding many of them together is a common thread – the failings of the current party leader, Nigel Farage.
The Farage problem – a personal perspective on a flawed personality
Many past and present UKIPpers started off initially impressed with Nigel Farage. My personal route from awe to disgust of the man is in a sense unique, but in other ways typical of what so many past and present UKIPpers have gone through. The first UKIP speaker I heard was Jeffrey Titford, at a Democracy Movement meeting in St. Leonards, East Sussex. He seemed to be talking sense, and I was reasonably impressed.
On mentioning this to members of the local branch, the response from I received was, “Wait until you’ve heard Nigel Farage.”
I was able to hear him a few months later in nearby Bexhill, and found his direct, hard-hitting style quite exciting and refreshing – a contrast from most politicians in the three established parties. When criticism of Roger Knapman began to surface following the triumphs in the 2004 European Parliamentary elections, I picked up the feeling that many members at the time wanted to replace him not with Kilroy but with Nigel, feeling that a dynamic young leader would restore the momentum that we seemed to be losing.
I would never have supported the removal of Roger. I felt that he was underestimated by the membership. (and having subsequently got to know him through working in Brussels, I believe this assessment was correct.) However, looking to when his term of office was to end, I would then have supported Nigel for leader. He seemed the rising star – the obvious heir apparent.
Amidst all the adulation, the first criticism I first heard of Nigel was at a UKIP SE activists’ meeting from a member of a branch from Kent, who said he had a big ego. Until this point, the only negative thing I had heard about him was that he had not denied visiting a brothel in (I think) Athens. My contact with him had been quite limited before starting in Brussels. He had struck me as “rather a lad” who liked his booze and fags, but I knew that I should not expect a politician necessarily to adhere to my Christian standards. I was looking forward to getting to know him better when I started my new job in Brussels, and felt rather in awe of him.
Within a couple of months, my view of him had begun to change. There were several reason for this.
Firstly, when he came to be the guest speaker at the annual dinner of my local UKIP Branch, Bexhill and Battle, his speech was disappointing. It was all about himself, and was a regurgitation of anecdotes I had heard before.
Secondly, there were further rumours of his sexual impropriety, including that he was having an affair with Annabelle Fuller, one of my colleagues in Brussels at the time, who subsequently achieved such notoriety in the UKIP press office. More serious was the fact that cronyism rather than competence seemed to be what counted. Brussels was very much Nigel’s empire, as he had been there as an MEP since 1999, was head of the UKIP delegation and co-president of the Ind Dem group.
He had considerable say in who joined the staff, and what their roles were to be. The then head of research, Adrian Muldrew, was complaining repeatedly about the low quality of work produced by two of the staff – one being Annabelle Fuller and the other Steve Reed, his current office assistant of whom more anon.
David Lott, Chief of Staff and very much Nigel’s man, refused to take any action, and actually turned against Adrian. This seemed very odd. as I had been taken on ostensibly as part of a move to “professionalise” the party.
At this time, I first heard about the questions being asked about the South East region accounts. Another colleague of mine told me that he would never give any money to a general UKIP appeal because he had no confidence where the money would end up.
Although shocked by all this, I took the Biblical attitude of not wanting to believe an accusation unless there were two or three witnesses, I didn’t have to wait long for further evidence. A chance conversation with UKIP’s previous Head of Staff (i.e. before David Lott), confirmed the essence of what I had been hearing, and added that Nigel had been a factor in every major UKIP bust-up since the departure of Alan Sked.
The failure of UKIP Part 2
By the summer recess of 2006, a mere seven months since coming out to Brussels, I was now firmly of the opinion that Nigel Farage was a liability to the party. I had met some of the other notorious Farage cronies like John Moran, and was not impressed. I also heard from a colleague about a conversation between Farage and Gerard Batten shortly before the Bromley by-election.
It transpired that Farage had discussed a deal whereby if the Tories selected the Eurosceptic but not withdrawalist MEP Syed Kamall as their candidate, UKIP would not put up a candidate. On hearing of this, Gerard was incensed and said, “If you don’t stand, I will.” As it happened, the Tories chose Bob Neill, and with Gerard being the ultra-loyalist that he is, he chose not to leak this out. Nigel then announced at a big UKIP meeting the following weekend about how excited he was at being able to contest another by-election. Most people cheered. I was livid.
I did not vote for him as party leader, but for a while it seemed that I would have to swallow my misgivings, as in the first few months of the Farage leadership, the party acquired two Lords, then the economist Tim Congdon and several other significant Eurosceptics. A year later, I was to discover that this new sense of hope in the party was not matched by the opinion polls. UKIP slumped to below 1%, and the start of the slump coincided with Farage’s election as leader.
I had heard of Farage’s habitual lying, but had first hand evidence of it when NEC member David Abbott’s two inadvertant $100 donations to a BNP support group in America was blown up in the national media in March 2007 simply because of David’s criticism of Nigel’s leadership. Before standing for the NEC, David came quite clean about this donation, which he had made before realising who the organisation represented.
He did not want to stand for office if it would compromise him. Being so insignificant a sum, a one-off and inadvertent, Nigel and others said it was not a problem. However, when David began to start opposing Nigel on the NEC, Nigel deliberately leaked this out to he press and made it out that David had been seriously involved with the BNP. When I challenged Nigel, saying that either he or Mark Croucher were ill-advised to have done this, his reply was “Neither I nor Croucher contacted the Press.”
The Press had also spoken to a person I know (whose identity I should keep confidential) who has held senior office in the party about the David Abbott business, and this person told me that when the reporter concerned rang up, he said, “I’ve just been speaking to Mark Croucher.”
Perhaps I should add that this exchange occurred when Nigel summoned me into his office and questioned me about my friendship with Adrian Muldrew. Adrian was by now absolutely persona non grata with Nigel, but a few months earlier, Adrian had kindly offered me a home for a couple of weeks when there had been a temporary delay in moving into new accommodation in Brussels. I had left Adrian’s house quite a while before my interview with Nigel, but what business was it of his anyway?
Being summoned into Nigel’s office was by now an ordeal which I dreaded. I had to summon up my best acting skills and always stared him straight in the eye. He often shuffled his legs up and down under the table – a sure sign that he wasn’t comfortable either. Some times, it was nothing to worry about, and he was usually pleased with he research I did for him.
However, once he came into my office and ranted at me because I had contacted Mike Nattrass (whose assistant I was for a while) about a dubious amendment to a piece of Parliamentary legislation put forward at Committee stage by Jens-Peter Bonde, Ind Dem Co-president, in the name of the group.
Adrian had spotted this and said that UKIP MEP’s couldn’t support it, as it was giving more power to the EU (I can’t remember the exact details beyond this) I thought I had better tell Mike, and Mike must have contacted Nigel, who then stormed in and said, “But we always vote against this in Plenary.” I guess Nigel knew I wasn’t happy with UKIP MEP’s being in Ind Dem.
The failure of UKIP Part 3
It was not just over Ind Dem that I disagreed with Nigel’s policy. He spoke at Hastings in November 2005 and said something on the lines of, “Well, UKIP isn’t getting much exposure because the EU isn’t in the news much now, but just wait – it’ll be back on the agenda.”
He was proved right with a vengeance when the failed Constitution metamorphosised into the Lisbon Treaty, but he singularly missed the opportunity to put UKIP at the head of the campaign to oppose it. It was always going to be a tough battle to stop the treaty, but it would have put the party back in the consciousness of the electorate. Instead, it was left to an ordinary Party member to launch the “Parish Polls” initiative.
On the day of the mass lobby of the House of Commons, Farage was in Brussels. This missed opportunity, for which he must take the blame, must represent UKIP’s biggest political mistake in its entire history.
I had the task for the last year of answering difficult e-mails sent to Head Office in Newton Abbot. I always took the party line, even if I was personally uncomfortable with it, such as over Nigel’s defiance of the Parliament’s smoking ban and support for pro-smoking groups.
Only once, when I was forwarded a query about Derek Clark signing Ind Dem’s “Bucharest declaration” on UKIP’s behalf with its support for subsidiarity and CAP reform did I deviate from this rule, and simply passed it to Ind Dem enthusiast Gawain Towler to answer. I felt this e-mail was a poisoned chalice. If I took the party line, not only would it sit uneasily with my conscience, but it could be held against me if at a later date (as I hoped) UKIP would renounce Ind Dem.
However, if I had said what I felt – that I agreed with the e-mail, that the signing was a mistake and that UKIP’s MEP’s should not be in Ind Dem – Nigel would have gone ballistic if he had found out. Fortunately, Gawain never followed up my reasons for passing this e-mail on, so I lived to fight another day.
Nonetheless, By the summer of 2007, I felt that I was living on borrowed time. In many ways, I am amazed I lasted so long. I ensured that no-one was around when I rang any known opponents of Farage in the UK, and he never knew just who I knew. I always kept my office door closed, and fortunately, the enthusiasm of Farage and his cronies to go off most evenings drinking in O’Farrell’s (the Irish pub very near to the Parliament building) meant I had some privacy.
By this time, staff and MEP’s were split down the middle. Farage supporters, notably Gawain and the odious Aurelie Laloux (Jeffrey Titford’s assistant) held the senior positions among the staff. When Aurelie went off for maternity leave, things improved somewhat, but her return signalled the start of three awful months.
The atmosphere in the office from February 2008 to my departure in April gave me an inkling of what it must have been like to live in the Soviet Union – You were always watching your back and every pair of footsteps outside the office door made you feel uneasy. So bizarre that fellow-withdrawalists should be the cause of such a poisonous atmosphere. I have to say that in over two years working in Brussels, I had no animosity from the “nasty” EU. UKIP staff were treated fairly.
My dismissal shows the utterly devious nature of Farage. He was not directly involved, but his fingerprints are all over it. It all began on Monday 7th April after the “Stop the Treaty” conference in Bristol which I went to. When I got back to Brussels, I tried to access my parliamentary e-mail account, but was unable to do so.
I entered the password about 10 times, but was repeatedly blocked. I know that I did not type in my password incorrectly. Having worked in IT before going into research, I knew hacking when I saw it. The hacker had, fortunately, failed to guess my password, but had locked me out. I spoke to Oumar Dombouya, the man delegated to manage IT affairs for Ind Dem. He re-set my password and set a monitoring facility on my account, as Adrian had had a similar problem, and suspected hacking.
On Thursday afternoon (10th April), Graham Booth came into my office with a print-out of the names, subjects and dates of the e-mails I had sent in recent weeks. He asked me to print out the contents of four of these. After he had left the office, I looked at a couple of these e-mails, and as I was doing so, the access to my e-mail account suddenly went down. When I eventually was able to bring up the initial screen and try to sign on, once again, I was locked out, just as I had been the previous Monday.
I subsequently discovered that it is within the rules to print out the list (although not the content) of the e-mails sent by EP staff without asking them. However, I did not know this at the time, and refused to take Booth ‘s word that this was the case or provide him with the content of these e-mails until I could establish the facts. In view of my suspicions about someone trying to tamper with my e-mails, I think this was quite reasonable.
However, his response to my refusal my saying that in his eyes, this amounted to a “lack of trust” in me, This was the catch-all phrase that can be used to dismiss staff if you don’t like them but can’t find any good reason for so doing. I had always got on fairly well with Graham until then, and I know Nigel set him up, because he expressed a very negative opinion of one person to whom these e-mails were sent (a branch chairman in the South East) and when I contacted this individual, he said that he had never had any dealings with Graham. Only Nigel could have singled out this e-mail.
Oumar was very helpful initially to my attempts to find out who had been hacking into my account. He traced it to a UK-registered machine (no surprise!) but could not go any further because of intimidation by members of the Ind Dem secretariat. He subsequently kept his distance from me, simply out of fear.
My dismissal was e-mailed to me on Thursday 24th April. This was a Strasbourg plenary, and I was teleworking at the time. Quite honestly, it was a relief not to have to go back to Brussels. It amazed me to hear that Graham Booth had been going round the South West telling people that I (along with Adrian Muldrew and Gary Cartwright) were MI5 spies! Meanwhile, Steve Harris, (UKIP’s SE regional organiser) again no doubt mouthing Nigel’s words, has been telling people in the South East that my dismissal was because I was hacking into other people’s e-mails!
The failure of UKIP Part 4
My desire to see Nigel removed as leader is not a case of sour grapes because he sacked me. He sacked me because I already held this opinion, and I am not very good at hiding my feelings. I remember having a conversation with Roger Knapman outside his office, and said something about, “the days when we had a decent leader.” At that moment, Nigel came up the corridor. He can’t fail to have heard what I said.
Only in one way has my opinion changed since my dismissal. I believed right up to early November that if Nigel could be removed as leader, UKIP would have a future. The November NEC meeting was a watershed.
It is clear firstly that removing Nigel Farage as leader is going to be very difficult.
Secondly, that even if it could be done, it would not be enough – his cabal have to go too, and as names like Zuckerman are unknown to many members, it would be hard to press the case against them. Farage’s dealings with me bear the marks of a tyrant.
He brings out the worst of those that get close to him – Graham Booth’s behaviour over my dismissal illustrates this perfectly. At the same time, he tries to destroy anyone who opposes him. The party is now in the grip of man who I can only describe as evil.
The poison emanating from him has so ruined the party that it is not a case of merely removing him as leader – his political career must be ended in June 2009. If the only way of doing this is to take UKIP down with him, so be it. The withdrawalist cause needs a more honourable spokesman and a better party to fight its cause.
Farage more than anyone else is responsible for giving UKIP such a poor image that it has become a bit of a joke. I now no longer have any pride at being a member, but rather embarrassment. My UKIP car sticker has been removed a long time ago now. As we move on to look at the other aspects of why UKIP has failed, his name will come up again and again. His personal failings, which I have described above, are coupled with exceedingly poor political judgement and a disastrous policy in Brussels.
Playing on innocence
Many of those who joined UKIP, myself included, were new to politics. We could see that being in the EU was not in Britain’s best interests, but did not necessarily combine this piece of wisdom with political discernment. I would guess I am not alone in admitting that at one point, I believed two things I now regard as erroneous – firstly that anything in print that says something bad about the EU must be correct, and secondly that anyone opposed to Britain’s membership of the EU must be a good chap. I will address the first of these mistakes later on. It is the second I want to concentrate on at this point.
Nigel’s shrewdness has enabled him to carve out his power base in the party. His youth and eloquence have made him a hero with many party members. Steve Harris once told a meeting at which I was present of a phone call were someone asked him, “When is that young man going to become Prime Minister?” I have no reason to doubt that Steve was telling the truth. It epitomises how Nigel has played on the innocence of many party members.
They have not had sufficient experience to spot when his leadership has been poor. He would not have dared depict the dressing up in chicken costumes of three members of staff in Strasbourg on the front of Independence unless he was sure that his adoring fans would think it was a wonderful gesture rather than the appalling schoolboy buffoonery that the rest of the world viewed it as.
He has been able to gain total control over UKIP’s media. “You don’t work for the party, you work for me,” he told one employee in the Press Office. That admirable quality of trust which is a feature of so many UKIP members has enabled him to turn the Independence into a very one-sided view of things. Our dear. loyal members are not aware of the control he has carved out for himself. He has marshalled party opinion behind him by equating opposition to himself with “attempts to destroy the party.”
From now on, sadly, this will be the case, and those of us who have come out publicly against him are likely to face all manner of vitriol not just from the Faragistas, but from well-meaning members who have been denied the chance to hear both sides of the argument. The suppression of dissent is not healthy in a political party. It leads to “yes men” ending up in senior positions – a sure recipe for disaster.
The failure of UKIP Part 5
The Brussels disaster.
One blogger recently mocked UKIP by saying how ridiculously inflated the role of an MEP had become in the party. Other parties don’t send out their first XI to Brussels, but being an MEP gives you almost god-like status among some sections of the membership of UKIP.
The big point of disagreement I would have with this statement is that UKIP has most definitely NOT sent out its First XI to Brussels. Nigel was unable to stop London choosing the hard-working and honest Gerard Batten for the No. 1 spot, nor to stop Roger Knapman being elected in the South West. However, his objective of ensuring that he ended up with a team of which he would be the star was, to a degree, successful. The result has been an unmitigated disaster.
I have referred to the innocence of many party members. The idea that the MEP lists were manipulated would never have crossed most of our minds back in 2004. Nigel had to be careful because he had already built up a structure in which the party’s MEP’s would operate, and better to have someone unsuitable but who would not ask questions rather than a competent individual who, besides challenging Nigel’s pre-eminence, might ask too many questions, especially on financial matters.
In the five years from 1999 to 2004, he had made the acquaintance of people like Jens-Peter Bonde – a past master at making money out of Euroscepticism. The Ind Dem Group, like its precursor EDD, is a fairly loose coalition of assorted Eurosceptics from both the left and right of the political spectrum who have joined together purely for the financial benefit of being in a group.
UKIP are the only withdrawalists in this group – a fact that has raised eyebrows on several occasions when I have mentioned this to party members. Ind Dem has encouraged a culture of financial secrecy, and Farage has bought into this. His reluctance to be open about his financial matters has brought the party into disrepute, and already the Lib Dems are attacking UKIP on the doorsteps saying they have “gone native.” Financial issues are likely to be an increasing embarrassment to UKIP in the run-up to June 2009.
It is not just the financial issues that have contributed to the disaster of UKIP’s MEPs in Brussels – there have been all too many instances of poor, ill-prepared speeches. Graham Booth’s setting himself up as an authority on climate change on the strength of an “O” level in astronomy has been an embarrassment. I have written speeches for some MEP’s and have seen them mutilated and spoilt by the MEP in question. Sometimes, it has been an embarrassment to listen to them in the Plenaries.
There have been exceptions, notably Roger Knapman, who ensures his speeches are well-written, and Gerard Batten, who always writes his own speeches after careful research. Sadly, however, Godfrey Bloom’s infamous speech in 2004 about women cleaning behind fridges has set an all-too-common precedent.
The press have been all too ready to pounce on bad behaviour by UKIP’s MEP’s. Tom Wise was unfortunate to be duped by an undercover reporter on the subject of MEP’s allowamnces. Nigel was lucky that the occasion when he was so drunk in a bar Strasbourg that he had to be carried out did not receive more coverage than it did.
Besides the MEP’s, the staff have not always delivered the goods. All too many of Gawain Towler’s press releases have been bad to the point of embarrassment. I was asked once to write a press release. Gawain’s editing of it included replacing one word with another meaning the exact opposite! While I cannot prove this, I would suspect that some 90% of press releases would have gone straight into the editors’ wastepaper bins.
On another occasion, at a meeting of a think tank in Brussels where the guest speaker was Dan Mitchell, a senior fellow of the Heritage Foundation, an American think tank Gawain turned up seriously drunk. He introduced me to this man (I had yet to fall out of favour at this time) but I was acutely embarrassed. Gawain has also admitted to me that he has smoked over 100 joints!
Aurelie Laloux is another disaster. She was taken on by UKIP in the 1999-2004 Parliament because of her excellent linguistic skills, as only in 2004 was English placed alongside French in official Parliamentary communications. Her political judgement is less acute, and had led to some very bizarre voting lists being produced which UKIP’s enemies like Labour MEP Richard Corbett have been delighted to publish.
When there was a debate on the Lisbon Treaty at Strasbourg in early 2008, the Green group (or was it the Communists?) proposed a “rejection amendment” – i.e. that the treaty should be rejected. Aurelie’s voting list, prepared for UKIP’s MEP’s, did not have us supporting this amendment. She has also been responsible for choosing which debates UKIP’s MEP’s will speak in. Her choice has been quite bizarre at times, giving the speechwriters (such as myself) the challenge of preparing speeches offering very little opportunity for the MEP to make any telling point, as the debate may have been on something quite obscure – such as updating EU air traffic agreements with countries in North Africa to include the new member states.
As for Nigel’s assistant Steve Reed, he deserves a chapter to himself. We will look at him under the heading, “Professionalising the Party?” His voting lists can be a bit bizarre, and unlike Aurelie, he cannot plead the excuse that he is not working in his mother tongue.
The philosophy is that UKIP must vote against and speak against everything. What happens when the EU proposes something that will actually command widespread popular support, such as the forced reduction in mobile phone roaming charges? Credit where credit is due from the strongly Eurosceptic former DUP MEP Jim Allister, who said, “It makes a pleasant change to welcome a piece of EU legislation.
The enforced reduction in mobile roaming charges is good for consumers across Europe.” However UKIP had to find something negative, such as the fact that the main beneficiaries would be people like MEP’s themsleves who make many international calls on mobile phones. While it is true that the mandate for UKIP’s MEP’s mandate is never to vote in favour of any EU regulation, if there is likely to be strong popular support for individual moves, it is surely better to abstain, or at least keep quiet, and keep the powder dry for the really serious issues.
I have not mentioned the corruption aspects and the ongoing investigations by OLAF – the EU Anti-fraud watchdog – into Ind Dem (including some UKIP MEP’s and staff), but this has done nothing to help the party, and what may come out, paricularly regarding Nigel and David Lott, could be quite embarrassing. However, one must not pre-judge.
Few UKIP MEP’s have availed themselves of the opportunity to used the Brussels staff for serious research. Gerard Batten is an honourable exception, with the excellent How much does the EU cost Britain? Booklets, which are updated each year. Apart from this, only Tom Wise, whose assistant Gary Cartwright produced the fisheries booklet, and Roger Knapman, have this far shown any interest in this important area. For seven MEP’s therefore, an excellent opportunity has gone begging.
Hard though it is to say it. the UKIP team, both MEP’s and staff, convey the image of a bungling bunch of amateurs. There are some honourable exceptions, and I have tried to highlight these. I would strongly refute any suggestion that UKIP’s disaster in Brussels has been because “they knw we don’t like the EU.” Yes, it is true that the Parliament’s president shows more leniency to pro-EU MEP’s than to UKIP when their speeches overrun.
This apart, I would say that the disaster has been self-inflicted and would have been avoidable with a better calibre of both MEP’s and staff. Perhaps the best illustration of the disaster UKIP has turned into is the infamous “Chicken Costume” incident in Strasbourg earlier this year. I can vouch for this being Nigel’s idea.
When the three staff members (Gawain Towler, Paul Nuttall and Ralph Atkinson) were escorted from the area near the Hemicycle by the security staff, it led to a very heated but almost surreal press conference, firstly with Gawain (still in his costume minus the chicken head!) and then Nigel, complaining bitterly to the media that the reason we were being treated unfairly in not being allowed to parade around in these outfits was because we opposed the Lisbon Treaty.
What noinsense! No wonder the rest of the European Parliament saw UKIP as a bit of a joke.At least no MEP had dressed up, although only because Gary Cartwright and I had been able to work on the wife of one MEP to persuade her husband not to be a chicken – he had originally volunteered for this ridiculous stunt!
The failure of UKIP Part 6

An unconvincing domestic agenda.
UKIP has always professed to be a fully-fledged political party. It has produced manifestos which range over a number of domestic issues besides withdrawal from the EU and areas with strong EU links, such as immigration. However, right up to and beyond the 2005 General Election, in spite of the manifesto produced for that occasion, UKIP was perceived not only by the public but by many members as essentially a single-issue party.
My experience standing for the party in Lewes at that time was fairly typical – I could articulate the issues relating to the EU pretty well, but put me into a debate where the focus was a domestic issue like education and I was out of my depth. I had read the manifesto, but it really wasn’t much help.
In early 2006, when David Bannerman became chairman, things began to change on this front. He launched the “Five Right Things to do” initiative that took UKIP into new territory such as education, law and order and tax. Yes, as mentioned, we had touched on these and other areas in earlier manifestos, but not in the sort of depth now being proposed.
It is perhaps hard for me to be objective here, as I did much of the donkey work for the education policy. David Lott said that it was “the best policy document that UKIP had ever produced.” It put UKIP in touch with education pressure groups such as the excellent “Campaign for Real Education” and in fact led to the retired probation officer and author David Fraser if not joining the party certainly becoming more sympathetic to it – a real first for us. Until now, people had only ever joined UKIP over EU-related issues.
A few months later, John Whittaker’s Flat Tax policy was launched at a fringe meeting during the 2006 Tory Party conference in Bournemouth. This again gave us links and credence with groups like the Taxpayers’ Alliance, who were represented at the launch.
However, these initiatives do not seem to have turned UKIP in the public eye from a single-issue party. It is impossible to verify the rumour that the domestic agenda, based on traditional right-of-centre Conservatism, is really an attempt to push the Tories in that direction rather than to claim the ground for UKIP in its own right. The party, in other words, is simply a Tory pressure group.
This rumour has done the rounds for a couple of years. It is hard to prove, especially as the centre-right agenda is, in fact a good one. The problem is that UKIP hasn’t been able to take ownership of this ground. Its dabbling in domestic politics has not been convincing. Part of the problem is having a leader with no ability to speak convincingly and informedly on domestic issues.
He has little interest in the minutiae of domestic policy. Unfortunately, delegating this job to Bannerman has led to a complete muddle, with no subsequent policy launch having the profile of the Flat Tax announcement.
Bannerman’s competence is questionable.
His chairmanship of the Bow Group is one of few features about his life not in dispute. How someone with this supposed breadth of policy experience, particularly in the field of transport can propose electrifying a line which was closed 39 years ago beats me! I can vouch for the fact that this proposal was included in the first draft of the UKIP transport policy document.
These policy initiatives have failed to change either the public perception of UKIP nor the thinking of some party members. Two years on from my struggles in Lewes, I was seconded to help out with the Sedgefield by-election, and for all my enthusiasm to ensure our candidate was well briefed on domestic policies, he just kept going back to the EU all the time.
If UKIP still exists in 2010 and puts up candidates for the General Election, it will be just the same. If the candidates are not comfortable with a broader agenda, how can the electorate be convinced that UKIP is more than just a single-issue party? My sad conclusion is that it is too late for the party ever to make the breakthrough into domestic politics.
The failure of UKIP Part 7

Professionalisng the Party?
The second catchphrase in early 2006 alongside “Five Right Things to do” was “Professionalisng the Party.” I came out to Brussels quite humbled at the thought of being part of this process, seeing as I was a newcomer to political research. Three years on, I cannot seriously believe that Nigel ever had any intention of making UKIP a professional party.
We need to go back to Brussels to see how shallow of the talk of “professionalism” is. Nigel’s office assistant out there is Steve (or Andrew) Reed – an individual whom I bear no personal grudge towards, but whose competence is highly dubious, to say the least.
Steve is a conspiracy theorist of the most eccentric type. He also writes the most grotesque English and has a serious drink problem. The net result is this letter, sent out from Nigel’s office in response to correspondence from a member of the public about the situation in Zimbabwe two years ago:-
Zimbabwe is certainly a country under siege from the “international community”, whose neo-colonial policies in Africa are thinly disguised as “humanitarian intervention” in conflicts, which it may well have instigated, just as they were in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan.
So embarrassing was this letter, which also stated that the EU was worse than Zimbabwe, that extracts from it appeared in the Independent newspaper, and was the reason why a hastily-cobbled together “UKIP Statement on Zimbabwe” suddenly appeared on the party’s website. Yet Steve lived to fight another day and to produce this response to a letter which simply asked the MEP’s to support a written declaration on the setting-up of a Europe-wide register of missing children, following the McCanns’ visit to the European Parliament:-.
European coöperation, furthermore, is rather hindered, than helped, by the centralised bureaucracies of the EU, which, by abolishing national frontiers, have made EU-territory a playground for all types of crime, and which, in general, are rather intent on extending their powers than on governing wisely and well. This is only to be expected of an organisation, which lacks all democratic accountability…Indeed, the only way the huge, multilingual territories of the EU can be governed is by means of a repressive police-state, where every identity, asset and movement is monitored.
Steve’s briefing documents for the MEP’s display a similar lack of professionalsim. Instead of stickingto a simple summary of proposed legislation, he likes to have a rant about the EU. That’s not the job of an assistant. Gerard Batten has expressed extreme frustarion over this, but Steve remains in the Farage assistant office!
Gawain Towler’s incompetence has laready been mentioned. He has a background in the press, and appears to be widely connected but the quality of his work leaves much to be deisred.
Turning to the UK, the bigggest failing has been the total lack of any program to train party activists. UKIP contains many enthusiastic and committed members who have never been involved in politics before. They have joined because they have read or heard something that has convinced them that Britain should leave the EU.
Now while there are good sound reasons for supporting Britain’s withdrawal, there are also all manner of crackpot conspiracy theories doing the rounds, and some party members have regurgitated these in all innocence, believing that anyone saying bad things about the EU must be telling the truth. A professional party should have been providing education at all levels to ensure that party members are gven the tools to separate fact from fiction. The total failure to do this has contributed to the image problem the party faces – Cameron’s comments about “fruitcakes and loonies” has sometimes been closer to the mark than we would like.
The result of this lack of professionalsim is that the party has failed to advance among a key sector of the population. A good few people, possibly some 1/3 of the voting population, have a visceral dislike of the EU and have been easily won over to a withdrawalist position. They may not necessarily be UKIP voters, but they would agree with the overall stance of the party. There are also another significant group, my estimate being a further 1/3 of all voters, who have misgivings about the EU, but are not yet in the withdrawalist camp.
Maybe they have been conned by the propaganda of the three established parties, or perhaps they are still weighing up the arguments. As a generality, these will be serious thinkers. Such people are not going to be convinced by conspiracy theory claptrap or gimmicky, silly cartoons. Focus groups have painted a picture of UKIP as a negative party, and I would venture that some who voiced this opinion include representatives of this “middle third” that UKIP should be addressing. It will require a positive approach to win these people over, which UKIP has this far failed to make. Sadly, UKIP’s failure to advance among this important section of the electorate has set back the cause of independence by several years.
NEC problems and other structural failings.
The NEC is meant to represent the membership. It has been reduced to rubber-stamping Nigel’s decisions. Whether those on the NEC have been fairly voted into office is another matter – Lisa Duffy, a fairly unknown figure until her elevation to the NEC, apparently received more votes in the 2008 NEC election than Nigel received in the party leadership election two years ago! Naturally, she has taken the Farage line.
Since 2004, the story of the NEC is a procession of well-intentioned members either resigning or being forced out. It is claimed that some NEC members disagree in private with some of the things that Nigel does. All well and good, but they seem to vote with him, and have failed to support Delroy Young, Dr David Abbott and Dr Eric Edmond who have had the bravery to express their misgivings openly.
Another serious structural failing is the inability of the party to remove the leader. In the days of Kilroy’s membership, the rules were tightened up in this area. The net result is that any initiative to remove Nigel has fallen foul of the sheer logistics required to call an egm.
At the core of the party is a culture of cronyism and secrecy. The biggest challenge to date has come over the selection of candidates for the 2009 European Parliamentary elections. The South West wanted the Electoral Commission to handle the selection from start to finish, but this was rejected. The result has been a series of unanswered questions and threatened court action – especially in the Eastern Region whereby Robin Page and John West never appeared on the list and the Farage favourite Bannerman ended up in pole position.
The removal of Gregg Beaman from the No. 1 spot in the North West was also shrouded in controversy. Marta Andreasen’s candidacy is highly controversial, as only under EU laws is a citizen of another country eligible to stand. One candidate in the South East region sent a delegate to the count, who saw a good number of ballot papers with votes for Farage and Andreasen only.
In a straw poll of my local branch committee, not one person said they had voted in this way. It all looks very suspicious, and the official response to these gripes of, “Well, be thankful you’re not a Tory. Their existing MEP’s automatically get the top slots” is just not acceptable. It epitomises the fact that the membership have very little power in the party. The Political Committee is appointed, not chosen. Our current chairman was appointed without the NEC being previously consulted. The control of all the official media outlets, including the Independence newsletter, means that real debate is not possible.
When the Lechlade Group think-tank was set up, Nigel told the then party General Secretary Geoffrey Kingscott that his first task was to get it closed down. He was initially no more supportive of the widely reported “Parish Poll” campaign, that was set up by an ordinary UKIP member in Dorset.
Thanks to the innocence of many party members noted above, UKIP – the party that professes to believe in “bottoms-up” democracy and whose members sing the praises of Switzerland’s political system – has become the most top-down party in British politics. Not satified with the level of control he has achieved, Farage wants to bring in a rule change that will facilitate still further the purging of dissidents, yet it will be sold to the membership as a good thing, or else couched in such obscure language that most of them won’t understand the nuances of the wording. Sadly, the art of spin is practised to as a great a degree by the leadership on the membership as by New Labour on the British Public. The sad thing is that a good few of the membership are not aware of it even now.
Financial problems
The last subject to be considered is the timebomb of financial scandal ticking away. Some pretty damning data about the Ashford Call Centre has been in the Public domain for a number of years. Activists have pressed for answers and have been fobbed off time after time.
The Alan Bown Donation problem is another potential pitfall. If the appeal by the Electoral Commission against the initial judgement in UKIP’s favour is successful, Mr Bown could shell out an equivalent sum to the amount confiscated to keep the party afloat, but it is not going to help the party’s standing.
Even small issues suggest that there is something fishy in how money is handled. Why can members not renew their membership by Direct Debit? So simple, so what is the problem?
Another odd issue is how UKIP seems to find so much money for big by-elections, especially if Nigel or one of his close associates is the candidate. Money seemed no object in Bromley, 2006 or Sedgefield 2007. What is notable here is how expensive each UKIP vote seems to be. With the different parties’ expenses and votes available on various websites, analysis of UKIP’s performance against other small parties, notably comparing UKIP with the BNP in the Henley by-election, shows that they gain fair more votes per £100 spent than UKIP. UKIP spent £17.056 and received 843 votes. The BNP spent £4,744.06, less that 1/3 of UKIP’s budget, but polled 1,243 votes – over 40% more than UKIP.
Lack of confidence in the integrity of the party’s finances will have the obvious knock-on effect in reduced donations, both from rich party members and from sympathetic organisations. Nigel is a past-master at drumming up enthusiasm among ordinary party members. No doubt, many of the genuine older members unaware of the issues discussed here will send in their £10’s and £20’s to help the party fight the elections next June, but it would be a matter of great surprise if the amount raised, especially in the South East, comes anywhere near the figure for 2004.
The end of the road
Sleaze, incompetence, poor political judgement, purges of dissidents, a “loony” image, allegations of vote rigging and financial problems – not a healthy situation for a small political party stuck in the doldrums. The few months between now and June 2009 are highly likely to see the publication of a few scandals involving Farage. His venomous attitude has created many enemies, and those enemies are unlikely to stay silent. Even if the rants of Greg Lance-Watkins cannot all be taken seriously, if only 10% of his allegations are true, that could pose the party serious problems in the run-up to what should have been an even greater triumph than June 2004.
It really is now too much to expect the party to be turned round. Even removing Farage as leader will not solve it. His cronies hold all the positions of power, and there isn’t the time to winkle them all out. Sadly, for all the undoubted good UKIP has achieved, it is time for it to be dismembered. The wound is too deep. The poison has spread too widely. In 2004, UKIP had a great chance to advance the argument for British withdrawal from the EU. With the right approach, the argument could have been won irrevocably by now. Independence is so noble an objective, and there is so much to support this assertion.

So UKIP has had its chance and blown it. We are left with only one option – to start again, learning from UKIP’s successes but. more importantly, its failures.

This article is markedly similar to that which John Petley wrote in late 2008, a copy of which I read at the time but have never published as it was supplied in confidence and was not then widely known in the public domain.

Charlie Endell having made some alterations it seems, or having received an altered copy of the original text, has put the article in the public domain and I am thus liberated from the constraints of my original undertaking and publish the public domain version posted by Charlie Endell.

Charlie Endell IS known to me as a genuine person whose personal experience over many years at the center of UKIP would be adequate to corroborate almost every fact herein..

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#0305* – UKIP WALES Ex CHAIRMAN: ‘UKIP is now a complete irrelevance’
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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Niall WARRY TheEx CHAIRMAN of UKIP WALES
‘UKIP is now a complete irrelevance’!!

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UKIP is now a complete irrelevance.

3 reasons and more as to why I’ll be posting and commenting a lot less for a while on this UKIP part of the Forum.

The First reason: – is that after my nearly 6700 posts nothing much has changed, so as skeptyk recently pointed out, I feel I need to follow my oft quoted adage:-

“INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THIG OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT!”

The Second reason: 
– is I have in the last few months become increasingly aware that:-

“THE ONLY THING WE LEARN FROM HISTORY IS THAT WE LEARN NOTHING FROM IT!”

Which in the context of the EU means that what will be will be and there is nothing that UKIP or anyone else can do about it. This is especially so since the signing of the Lisbon Treaty and in my opinion (and yes B.A. Ware this thread is all my opinion!) the most likely scenario is that the Euro region will split in two which would then give us the chance of re- negotiating our relationship with the EU. However whether this chance is taken is again another matter.

The Third reason: 
– I shall be posting and commenting far less in the UKIP part of this Forum- is that UKIP is now a complete irrelevance having achieved NOTHING of consequence in the last 17 years to aid our withdrawal from the EU. Also given that it is about to be consumed into the Pan European EFD, in all bar name if UKIP is lucky, UKIP will virtually cease to exist.
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OK so why has UKIP been so ineffective over the years – well I guess two words sum up the reason and they are:-

NIGEL FARAGE:

Leaving aside his media strengths Nigel has been the most abysmal and diabolical LEADER I have ever been associated with.

He has had no strategy, tactics, vision or plan to speak of, has no idea of how to set an example, is divisive, has no integrity, is morally deficient , totally unprincipled, financially greedy, unscrupulous, vain and dreadfully insecure to name but a few of his more obvious weaknesses!

While he may not as yet have been accused or charged with any criminality he is widely perceived to lack financial or moral probity with a host of unanswered questions he has so far refused to explain. Hopefully one day the old bill will come knocking on his door looking for answers?

He has of course managed to remain in power by: 
“Fooling most of the members of UKIP most of the time.”

From my experiences of Chairman of Wales and Cheltenham I know that most UKIP members and members of the public have absolutely no idea what is going on in UKIP, and vote for Nigel, simply because he looks good on the telly!

As to the rest of his supporters in the party I believe they fall into two main categories:-

1. Those who like him, are making money from the EU and don’t really care what he gets up to. This obviously includes his fellow UKIP MEPs and his staff all of whom he controls.

2. Those who are totally naive and believe that despite his MANY failings some greater good is served by not rocking the boat too severely if at all.

To this second category I’d say:-

“ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS THAT GOOD MEN DO NOTHING.”

From what I can now see history teaches us that you have to change a political party form WITHIN as Blair did to New Labour, but all those against Nigel have ended up leaving UKIP rather like the ‘Gang of Four’ left the labour Party – and look what happened to them!

If ALL his dissenters had stayed in the party and fought from within something might have been achieved. But they would have needed a strong leader with enough time to formulate a plan to win over the membership as to why Nigel’s strengths were not as leader.

I did try to fight from within for 5 years and know some other people tried to improve UKIP, like the Lechlade and Phoenix Groups. However I don’t think they really had the right leadership or stomach for the fight. As a result Nigel was able to out manoeuvre them especially as he controlled the money and staff placements.

So I now intend to concentrate on my local election campaign, my BBC bias blog The Freedom Association, The UK Defence Association and my work with The Royal British Legion.

As to the ‘INDEPENDENT Leave-the EU Alliance’ it is to be mothballed but NOT folded as to keep it ‘live’ only costs £25 a year. I think the I L-T-EU A has much going for it and it can always be taken off the shelf and dusted down if needs be. Never forget:-

“A JOURNEY OF 1000 MILES STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP.” 
And that step has been taken!

If you have any doubts about the value of more INDEPENDENTS at Westminster please read Vernon Coleman’s book ‘Bloodless Revolution’. 
If you get in contact by private message I’ll send you a copy free, as he gave us 500 copies for the election and I still have a few left!!

Now to all those who say I’ve not answered questions put to me on this Forum I beg to disagree as I have always tried to answer directly and as you all know I post under my own name.

However I confess to getting hacked off with some you from time to time, which I regret, for I genuinely believe that debate is not improved by intemperate language.

This leads me to my support for GLW but I would remind you of what I have ALWAYS said which is:-

‘I don’t agree with all he says or ESPECIALLY the way that he says it’

I think his pursuit of Nigel, to see him held to account, is a worthy cause as nobody should be allowed to benefit and get away with as much as he has. 
However I believe GLW is now wasting his time trying to reform UKIP as it is completely beyond reform, given Nigel’s hold over the party and his plans to consume UKIP into the EFD.
I don’t fault GLW, with others, for their determination to try and clean up UKIP and make it electable, but I personally doubt this will EVER happen.

Finally I still intend to update the Forum, from time to time, on what is being said by the likes of GLW, Junius and Eric Edmonds under the new heading ‘UKIP-vs-EUKIP’ so I’m not going to completely fade away and will still be posting under my own name when I do – although I was debating adopting the pseudonym “The ORACLE” but modesty will not allow!!

Good luck to those of you that remain discussing UKIP but personally I believe you are all flogging a dying if not dead horse! CLICK HERE

Niall Warry
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Please permit me a correction of a possible misunderstanding:

I have NEVER been anything other than a supporter of UKIP in declared principle and aims and have ALWAYS defended and supported the party.

It is for this reason and in a fundamental belief in the genuine patriotic nature of the peoples of these United Kingdoms that our historic Continental enemies have done all they can to debase and break apart.
Consider the underhand behaviour of France in repeatedly seeking to attack, conquer and abuse these United Kingdoms – whether by Agincourt, Plessy or Cressy or the efforts made to destroy the Union with their support of the snivelling coward known as ‘Bonnie’ Prince Charley for his availability to the men of The Court of Versailles and let us unfairly claim because he was a complete charley! Few Countries make much of having been led to defeat from the back by a leader who promptly ran away dressed in a frock!

Even The Welsh were genuinely disgusted by their betrayal by their own Minister of State tripping around Clapham Common in his wife’s frock giving oral sex sequentially to male strangers!

Let us not forget the various occasions when Germany has set out to create a Union in EUrope – aided by The Franks of Vichy France.

Firstly PLEASE show an instance anywhere on any of my blogs where I have EVER wittingly told a lie about a person or misrepresented a fact; or for that matter, where I have EVER attacked UKIP – I have frequently, however, criticised the activities of those who have betrayed, befouled or besmirched the principles and values of the Patriotic decent folk who are the grass roots foundations of UKIP.
IF you locate a consequential error in ANY of my blogs or an accidental error I have made of consequence PLEASE contact me and I will IMMEDIATELY check out the facts and make any correction apposite.
My contact details can be located at: CLICK HERE 

Thank you.

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