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#0694* – Clarifying UKIP Distortions on behalf of Junius & myself

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/11/2011

#0694* – Clarifying UKIP Distortions on behalf of Junius & myself
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Clarifying UKIP Distortions on behalf of Junius & myself!!

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this self serving distortion of facts by one of the many sordid sock puppets of UKIP leadership which post their dishonest lies, fantasies and corrupt propaganda on Anthony Butcher’s corrupt and dishonest UKIP controlled forum – some as muppets of UKIP leadership posting in their own names and some using fake identities to hide their shame – including Mark Croucher, Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Mark Croucher, Annabelle Fuller, Paul Nuttall, Ray Finch, Bob Feel-Martinis, John Ison, Brendan Padmore, Stuart Parr and many others.

The posting hosted in disregard of dishonesty as ever by the corrupt Anthony Butcher  was brought to my attention by members of the JUNIUS team who have asked me to address the dishonesty in detail and expose this latest publication by this odious cowardly underbelly of UKIP corrupt leadership support.

Many of these self serving cowards working with Anthony Butcher use multiple identities and EU computers with rapidly changing ISP addresses and shared identities.

I will address this specific rubbish when I get a chance – distortions and dishonesties similar to those of other cowards such as Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Defamation Hunter, Arthur Fonzanellie who shelter their corruption in cowardice and shame behind fake IDs.

Probably THE most significant fact in political terms is that some of these people are members of UKIP NEC, some salaried officers and no doubt some actually elected or seeking to feed from the public purse – a reflection on UKIP’s clearly corrupt and self serving leadership is that never once have I been aware or made aware of any member of UKIP leadership making ANY efforrt to surb these lies and distortions and it is clear that bullying and lies are a feature of the management of UKIP.

Imagine what a vile country these United Kingdoms would be if the morality and ethics of UKIP EVER held sway here!

Clearly UKIP leadership and its parasites are examples of shame and not leadership.

I shall Fisk the posting below in the next couple of days so you can consider the responsible truth, which I defend with my name and identity.

You will note that NEVER in many 1,000s of postings has it been shown EVER that I have posted to mislead or in dishonesty – unlike UKIP and its parasites!

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Sorry I haven’t got back to this yet, as I was out most of yesterday evening with friends and today I have some building work to address – unfortunately I have to employ as health precludes doing it myself! 

At least more than 1/2 of the re-roofing job is now secure and winter tight!


I am in the fortunate position that firstly I am not answerable to any of the toe rags in UKIP leadership’s claque nor do I seek popularity, income, agrandisement or preferment unlike them, nor have I ANYTHING to hide!


I also ONLY post in my own name and have no position, other than the truth to present.
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Would have been well advised to stick to his day job at which, as a Street Cleaner, he may well be competent. Though we note below his main stock in trade is indeed garbage!

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NOT VERY PLAUSIBLE – far more likely to be a retread sock puppet using a false name to distort and defame out of both shame and cowardice.

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Default Junius: Behind The Real Front

A meaningless title – what ‘Real Front’ is it implied The Junius Team are behind?

“BNP front group” is a smear used by Alan ‘sexy’ Harvey.

As this Alan Hardy (Mea Culpa and apologies to Alan Hardy – this should have read Alan Harvey as you can see from Gutter Snipe’s posting quoted immediately above – To find out about Alan Hardy see the right sidebar as he is relevant to UKIP and a member directly approved by Nigel Farage whereas I have no reason to believe Alan Harvey was or is a UKIP member though I understand he has friends and associates who support him within UKIP’s senior members! My thanks for the message pointing out my mistake!) who Street Cleaner seemingly finds ‘sexy’ is not a part of Junius and has never written an article for them nor to their knowledge has he ever spoken with them one wonders at the relevance.

I do clearly state that I understand that like many with an interest in EU related politics it would seem an Alan Hardy (As earlier read Alan Harvey)) HAS written on the comments section of The Junius blog. Then again so have members of UKIP leadership and others including UKIP MEPs & staff!

It was Harvey who was found to be linked to the BNP via Jeffrey Marshall, BNP London Organiser;

What relevance this extensive knowledge of The BNP has to Junius or I I am unsure – though it is noted that UKIP leadership have had and it now seems still have close relations with The BNP:

It is also well publicised that UKIP are associated with extremists, racists, anti Islamists, anti homosexuality and violence in politics even now it seems Gerard Batten has fallen foul of the race laws in these United Kingdoms and is defending his behaviour we understand with the support of UKIP and the express financial support of UKIP aurthorised by Nigel Farage.

Yert again UKIP department of lost causes is squandering member’s money, it seems!

Harvey’s recently fallen out with a member of his ‘Ulster branch’ who is a long-standing BNP member – clearly the BNP membership was not an issue until they fell out.

Clearly no relevance just an attempt to smear Junius and possibly myself by UKIP who seem rightly to be denounced as The BNP in blazers by some!

Readers here will recall that Harvey’s close friend Gary Cartwright tried to get Mike Smith expelled from UKIP over supposed “strong BNP connections”.

Mike Smith many will recal was an odious, bullying and litigious buffoon and as such Gary Cartwright would seem to have acted with some sense on this issue.

Assuming it is the same Mike Smith who committed suicide well over a year ago further details can be found at CLICK HERE

It was Gary Cartwright who had to leave UKIP.

I was under the impression Gary Cartwright quit UKIP over what HE considered to be a point of principle and now works directly for the EU Parliament attached to The Unalligned Group of MEPs and is allocated primarily to Nikki Sinclaire MEP and as such has done a great deal more towards the Leave-The-EU cause than any of UKIP’s sock puppets and most of their self serving parasites.

Amidst Greg Lance Watkins’ denunciation of the Swinton Circle is that it had as a speaker Tom Wise yet omits that Wise employed and was supported by Gary Cartwright, and that Cartwright was also a member of the Swinton Circle.

Yet another cowardly and dishonest statement seeking to smear from UKIP’s cowardly sock puppet.

Read the article the cowardly creep has cited – wher in would be the relevance of this statement relative to Cartwright? Was he a member of The Swinton Circle? It seems this cowardly sock puppet has a fairly intimate knowledge of The Swinton Circle – Personally I couldn’t name a single member though I do note it is seen as an extremist group which has given a platform to Tom Wise, Nigel Farage & Lindsay Jenkins – Tom Wise spoke for them on at least one occassion whilst awaiting trial and sentence to 2 years in prison for stealing from the public purse in abuse of his position of trust!

I KNOW the Swinton Cirlcle provided the platform with full knowledge of Tom Wise’s criminality as before the courts and with Nigel Farage’s encouragement!

In 2009 GL-W was chastising his associate Cartwright for his “support of criminality” claiming it “most clearly undermines [Cartwright’s] credibility”, then rather interestingly comes the sentence “Not an error that I would wish to make nor one I believe any of the contributors to Junius would wish to be associated with” – reads almost like an instruction as if Greg Lance-Watkins is trying to bring the wayward Cartwright into line doesn’t it?

What a desperate attempt to smear – so very typical of UKIP sock puppets and their vile associates.

Firstly Gary Cartwright is NOT an associate of mine nor have I even met him let alone associated with him. Just to dispel the blatant lie.

Secondly I stand by my statement as quoted at CLICK HERE

I will happily reitterate my position that I conside it a VERY poor display of judgement that ANYONE including Nigel Farage or even Crtwright gave succour to the criminal behaviour of Tom Wise who is a particularly unpleasant low life with the morality and ethics of an alley cat!

It is noted Wise was supported by Anthony Butcher, Douglas Denny, Mick McGough, Nigel Farage, Mark Croucher, Roger Helmer and many others, mainly self serving Judas Goats and Plastic EUroSceptics.

Clearly Cartwright’s refusal to toe the line over Wise still rankles as only a few months ago Greg Lance-Watkins stated Cartwright had a “crano rectally retentive attitude to Tom Wise” and that Cartwright’s job while working for Wise was to “try to dupe people”.

Do we take it that the snivelling cowardly Street Sweeper in crawling out of his gutter would claim my statement to be wrong? In mittigation Cartwright WAS employed by Wise and his and his family’s income was dependent on Wise at the time – that makes his actions no less acceptable.

Perhaps GL-W would be able to state if in his opinion Cartwright did a good job duping people, and whether Cartwright’s job for Nikki Sinclaire is also to “try to dupe people”?

The smear attempt is noted but clearly the capacity in which The EU currently employs Cartwright is a matter for Nikki Sinclaire – though he brings with him baggage which I personally consider it was unwise of Sinclaire to take on board as his talents doe seem all too readily subsumed by the low lifes of UKIP who seek to defame Sinclaire!

Curiously, Alan Harvey’s alternative ‘Swinton Circle’ on his Springbok club website which shows previous speakers no longer lists Tom Wise from March 2008 but retains Farage from January 2008; why one and not the other?

Since the cowardly Street Sweeper has such connections and information may I suggest he earns his keep as a butt boy for UKIP and finds out.

I do note that The Springbok Club and The Swinton Circle have been closely associated for many years – After many years based in South Africa actively opposed to appartheid and having resigned from The British Army on a point of principle over partly the issue of colour and my rejection of the fact that The British Army was at the time on standby to enter Rhodesia to promote a racially based position – I take issue with the smears of the guttless and cowards.

Another speaker to the Swinton Circle no longer shown is Bob Lomas – and what’s this? GL-W getting a bit uptight with Junius about the Magna Carta Society! What can it all mean?

It may surprise the cowardly that it means EXACTLY what I posted.

Unlike Street Sweeper I post what I believe to be the facts and will stand by them in a responsible manner, not as a coward posting innuendo and smears behind a cowardly cloak of anonymity!

Anyone wanting further facts is all to welcome to contact me direct as i have ALWAYS been easily contacted, always posted my material in my own name and always been willing to correct any detail that I have posted in error (it has happened, as I recall on 3 occasions and in each was corrected rapidly with apologies – fortunately not one of which was of any material consequence).

Greg Lance-Watkins repeatedly denounces Tom Wise from on high but fails to apply the same standards to his beloved Ashley Mote.

Ashley Mote’s criminality was totally disimilar to the breech of trust in public office and the abuse of access to the public purse made by Tom Wise – as the courts recognised in sentencing where Mote was sentenced to 9 months and Wise to 24! It is also of some note that Ashley Mote was of some value to EUroRealism over a number of years – Wise was corrupt, dishonest and of little use to anyone other than wine merchants it seems – with his long string of failures and non jobs over his life.

Tom Wise betrayed the electorate and the EUroSceptic cause in office representing UKIP, the electorate and these United Kingdoms!

But then Greg Lance-Watkins has no credibility to undermine.

So you may dishonestly claim – yet we note that Street Sweeper’s credibility is such that he is too ashamed to put his name to it!

Astonishingly (or maybe not) the every hypocritical Greg Lance-Watkins

Such a cheap and shoddy claim from a coward too ashamed to put his name to defamation yet unable to cite a single solitary instance of hypocracy with any credible evidence – so very like UKIP and its vile leadership and odious defenders.

denounces the Swinton Circle for (un-proven) BNP links but spectacularly fails to comment on Alan Harvey’s recent link-up with the Canadian “British People’s League” which is run by John Beattie former leader of the Canadian Nazi Party!

Cowardly fool that Street Sweeper is he fails to note I have absolutely no interest in Canadian Politics have considered Alan Hardy an irrelevance of no material consequence based on the little I know of him. I shall leave the gutter sweepings to those best suited in the gutter – this particular Street Sweeper andf his snivelling cowardice.

“More power to your elbow“ Harvey advices Beattie – clearly good advice for anyone who does the fascist salute a lot! Harvey also says he and Beattie “ will work ever closer together” – which based on his past record such as with US Nazi Richard Barrett means he will later develop selective amnesia and deny he ever heard of him.

What is the relevance of this obsession of UKIP with their chums in The BNP and extremist politics to Junius or myself?

So when Alan Harvey and Gary Cartwright’s ‘Swinton Circle’ (aka Springbok Club) next holds a meeting will Greg Lance-Watkins and Junius be rushing to denounce it as a Nazi-linked front group and publish its address? Seems unlikely considering denial forms part of their politics.

Particularly unlikely as I do not follow the antics of these tiny extremist groups.

Hence I am unaware of the membership of the group nor what its splits were.

The relevance of the Swinton Circle was merely due to their providing a platform for senior UKIP leadership and their being seen and quoted by many as yet another extremist group UKIP leadership were associated with.

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It’s time to take out the trash

How very true and sitting on the pile of garbage that is so clearly represented by this cowardly street sweeper are all too many seeking preferment, placement and self interest within UKIP, its leadership, its parasites and its claque.

Perhaps when the odious Street Sweeper or scum like Independent UKIP, Arthur Fonzanellie and their ilk have the integrity to put their names and IDs to their sordid postings they can explain what this odious low life Street Sweeper was trying to achieve by showing just how dishonest he is!
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#0667* – Absolutely Brilliant 100% Nikki SINCLAIRE’s Achievement

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/10/2011

#0667* – Absolutely Brilliant 100% Nikki SINCLAIRE’s Achievement

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Absolutely Brilliant 100% Nikki SINCLAIRE’s Achievement!
Congratulations to Nikki Sinclaire and the team she pulled together

including her staff, Mike Nattrass MEP, Trevor Colman MEP, Kate Hoey MP, Austin Mitchel MP, Kelvin Hopkins MP, Roger Godsiff MP, David Nuttall MP, Philip Davies MP, Gordon Henderson MP, Philip Hollobone MP, Graham Stinger MP, Richard Shepherd MP, Dianna Dodds MEP and many others whose contributions were varied but all supported her!

Sadly she had to achieve this despite the efforts of UKIP Leadership to sabotage her efforts and defame her!

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so the discussions with The leaders of The House of Commons have paid off and unlike the Judas Goats with their endless posturing and pretend petitions and pretence at EUroScepticism and the 120 Tory MPs who have followed the whip’s requirements in setting up a EUroPlasticSceptic Group Nikki SINCLAIRE Independent MEP has actually delivered the required 100,000 signatures with another 20,000 ready to deliver as her campaign continues to grow.

Frankly Westminster debating the issue makes the point – we know that Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas any more than we can expect the MPs to represent either our wishes or our best interests and Leave-The-EU.

Frankly our MPs are so totally discreditted who gives a stuff how they vote – The EU may think it will be making the decisions but do not forget it was on October 01st. 1946 that the first GUILTY verdicts and the hanging of 11 Guilty Men was ordered at The Nuremberg Trials – Politicians don’t call the shots when it comes to war and we are teetering on the start of The Wars of Dissassociation be it the Riots in Greece, the Default of The Greek Government, the failing of the Portuguese, Italian, Irish, Greek, Spanish and shortly the Cypriot economies that will win this argument.

The wheels are falling off of the EU scam.

Let us see if our politicians want to hang onto their jobs and Leave-The-EU or hang on lamp posts as the lights go out!

Their vote in Westminster is no longer relevant they gave away their authority so their debate is pointless – as pointless as they are.

76% of Tory voters want a Referendum, 66% of Tory voters would vote to Leave-The-EU when given their vote and only 30% of the entire population would vote to stay in The EU.

A measure of the accuracy of The Media is that for all the huff and puff from The LibDims & Tories it was a single INDEPENDENT MEP Nikki Sinclaire with the support of not a single Tory or Liberal delivering to Drowning Street the 100,000 signatures so far as the photographs clearly show:
It was Nikki Sinclaire’s advertising vans all over Britain getting the signatures:
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At last: We get vote on Europe as MPs are forced to decide on referendum

  • Vote will be held in the Commons before Christmas
  • Eurozone crisis has led to surge in anti-Brussels feeling

Last updated at 11:19 PM on 1st October 2011

A historic vote on growing demands for Britain to leave the European Union will be held in the Commons before Christmas.

MPs will debate whether the Government should give voters a chance to decide the issue once and for all in a referendum.

It will be the first time Parliament has held a major vote on seeking the public’s view since the 1975 referendum confirming the decision to join the Common Market.
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A historic vote on growing demands for Britain to leave the European Union will be held in the Commons before Christmas

If MPs vote in favour of  a referendum, the result would not be binding on the Government. 

But, combined with growing public opposition to the increasing power of the EU, it would put enormous pressure on David Cameron to let the people decide the country’s European fate.
The Commons vote has been forced on MPs – and a reluctant Prime Minister –  by public demand, after the crisis in the eurozone, with desperate attempts to prop up the Greek economy, led to a surge in anti-Brussels feeling.
Prime Minister David Cameron. MPs will debate whether the Government should give voters a chance to decide the Europe issue in a referendum

Prime Minister David Cameron. MPs will debate whether the Government should give voters a chance to decide the Europe issue in a referendum
The decision to hold a debate was made after a petition signed by more than 100,000 people demanding a referendum was submitted to a new group of MPs given the job of making sure Parliament does not sweep controversial issues under the carpet.

The Mail on Sunday has learnt that the Commons Backbench Business Committee will agree to grant a one-day debate on a referendum after Parliament returns next week.

Committee chairman Natascha Engel, a Labour MP, said: ‘Given the crisis in the eurozone, this issue has become more relevant than ever. There is a clear majority of backbench MPs who want to debate this and we have to respond to that.

‘The EU today is completely different from the one the British people voted to join in the 1975  referendum.  It is time to examine the position again. For years it has suited successive governments to avoid debating whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU.

‘The whole purpose of my committee is to make sure the big issues of the day are aired in Parliament. People in pubs and shops all over Britain are discussing our membership of the EU and it is time MPs openly debated it too.’

The debate will be held before the end of the year.
Anti-European campaigners are divided over the question that should be put in a referendum. Some want a simple ‘in or out’ question. But others want to offer the choice of going back to an old- style trading association, along the lines of the Common Market which British voters agreed to in 1975.

If the nation voted ‘yes’ to this proposition, the Government could demand that key powers over immigration, industrial relations, health and safety, City regulations and other issues are handed back to Westminster. If the EU refused to do so, Britain could leave altogether.
Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg is an avowed Europhile
Labour MP Natascha Engel siad given the crisis in the eurozone the issue has become more relevant than ever
Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg is an avowed Europhile. Labour MP Natascha Engel said the eurozone the issue has become more relevant than ever
Recent opinion polls show that when asked directly, nearly one in two people want Britain to come out of the EU, with about one in three in favour of staying in. But when the question was rephrased to give the choice of returning to a Seventies-style trade association, a clear majority chose that option.

Tory MPs plan to use this week’s party conference in Manchester to step up their demand for a referendum.

Withdrawing from the EU has support at the highest level of the party, including from Mr Cameron’s senior No 10 adviser, Steve Hilton.

The Commons vote is a nightmare for the Coalition. Mr Cameron was heavily criticised in Opposition for going back on a pledge to hold a referendum on the 2007 Lisbon Treaty which continued the process of switching sovereignty to the EU.
Protests in Greece over cut backs. The crisis in the eurozone with desperate attempts to prop up the Greek economy has led to a surge in anti-Brussels feeling

Protests in Greece over cut backs. The crisis in the eurozone with desperate attempts to prop up the Greek economy has led to a surge in anti-Brussels feeling

He fears a referendum would be a distraction from his attempts to solve Britain’s economic problems.

But he will face a mass revolt if he orders Tory MPs to vote against it.

Although Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg is an avowed Europhile, he made an Election pledge to hold an ‘in or out’ EU referendum.

It was seen as a crude Lib Dem ploy to prove that whatever their reservations about the EU, most Britons want to stay in. But with hostility to the EU growing by the day, Mr Clegg may now be hoist with his own petard. A sizeable number of Labour MPs also want a referendum.

The historic Commons debate is set to be agreed after Tory MP David Nuttall approached the Backbench Business Committee on the strength of the petition.
The Bury MP said he would defy any attempt by Mr Cameron to silence him. ‘I will vote in favour of a referendum come what may. It is about whether we stay in the EU and it is time the people had their say.’

Fellow Eurosceptic Tory MP Peter Bone said: ‘This poses an almighty dilemma for Mr Cameron. He will face huge problems if he orders MPs to vote against it.’

Since Britain joined the Common Market, there have been a series of Commons votes on whether there should be referendums on EU treaties such as Maastricht and Lisbon – although none at all on whether we should remain in the EU. All have been defeated, largely down to Governments ordering MPs to vote them down.

The Government has suffered three  defeats as a result of debates ordered by the Backbench Business Committee. They were forced to pay compensation to victims of a contaminated blood scandal; to reject a European bid to give prisoners the vote; and to ban wild animals in circuses without delay.

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#0666* – Farage & UKIP Play The Fiddle Well whilst GREECE DEFAULTS!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/09/2011

#0666* – Farage & UKIP Play The Fiddle Well whilst GREECE DEFAULTS!

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Farage & UKIP Play The Fiddle Well, whilst GREECE DEFAULTS!

Meanwhile the Judas Goats and EUroPlastics like Dan Hannan, Roger Helmer, George EUstace and the like posture and clamour to order for the Tory Whips in a pretence of a Referendum!

Someone tell them whilst they postured and congratulated themselves on their fundamental inconsequence The Express obtained 300,000 supporters and Nikki Sinclaire obtained and delivered for Parliament 100,000 fully verified signatures!

Interestingly UKIP has NEVER achieved anything by way of petition or leadership – just the self enrichment of a small clique egged on by their ever hopefull claque who seek reward and denigrate all who may criticise their route to the troughs!

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just think where UKIP would be now if only it had at some time had a competent, honourable, trustworthy leadership and prominent policies of gravitas led by someone of stature.

Just imagine after 20 years UKIP has only obtained less than 30 elected seats out of the 19,500 available in British governance, UKIP has never offered or INSISTED on training for its personnel or staff, branch chairmen and the like.

Incredibly UKIP has never produced any kind of training/management manual and has never had a clear organisational structure and has since day one NEVER had a web site commensurate with the image they seek to portray.

Astonishingly in 20 years UKIP has utterly failed to devise and present a coherent Exit and Survival Strategy for these United Kingdoms to Leave-the-EU in good order, clear of the benefits of self governance, self determination and sovereign independence to in liberty and dignity present its goods, needs, values and justice on the world stage.

We are all well aware and sick of hearing how bad membership of The EU is but we have failed to reassure the British peoples of how on these United Islands we have presented the team that has led the world in ethics, morality trade and justice.

We permit the scum of politics to seek, for their own personal gain, people like Tony Blair, Alec Salmond, Neil Kinnock, Roy Jenkins, John Major, Shirley Williams, Jack Dromey, David Owen, Michael Hesseltine, Jerry Adams,  Ken Clark, Pieter Haine, Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown, Hazel Bleares, Harriet Harmon, David Bonkit, David Cameron and the like to talk down our abilities, denigrate our achievements and prostitute our future and all for their sordid personal ambitions and unpleasant gain.

Not an individual of stature amongst them! Self serving self promoting self important nobodies!

Had UKIP had sound leadership, vision, strategies, tactics and values as would be provided by a leader of stature UKIP could have capitalised on its greatest asset Nigel Farage – a good performer who could have trained an army of spokesment to spread the word to the world as we repatriated our democracy, restored our sovereinty, resconfirmed our justice, reinstated our borders and moved forward into the future as a proud and free United Kingdoms where the likes of the risible little squirt Alex Salmon, Pieter Haine and the like would have been shuned by a people of stature and dignity, shunned for the odious little men they are.

Sadly for lack of leadership UKIP has achieved the sum total of nothing as one performing cockrel strutting on top of a dung heap of the weak and venal he has been allowed to gather around him do not a party of significance make.

There is no doubt, insecure and amoral as he is Farage sets a tone it is hard to follow.

http://www.disclose.tv/swf/player.swf
Disclose.tvNigel Farage Lambasts Europhile UK Mps Who Led Us Video

Just think what UKIP might have achieved with sound leadership capitalising on Farage’s ability as a performer. All the time wasted on navel gazing, petty infighting, corruption, dishonesty and weak and self serving little creeps many hidden behind false identities all of whom have so clearly destroyed UKIP as they jockeyed for position and lied and cheated to try to get closer to getting their snouts in the troughs on the gravy train for enrichment through the bribes of The EU.

With clear leadership, and let us face it there was no one else of note in The Referendum Party – it was the clear leadership of Sir James Goldsmith that forced the hand of Government and ensured Britain could not glibly be betrayed by entering the EUro with its totally predictable pending failure we see with the Default of Greece and for all its dishonest language Greece HAS defaulted!

The EU in a desperate move to try to deny its abject failure may call it ‘Restructuring’ or is the buzz word ‘Rescheduling’ – but I put it to you that if you had £100,000 on deposit with your bank and it blithely told you it had restructured its payments to you so that it would only pay you £50,000 and would need you to deposit more for them to pay you interest and they intended to print more cash thus devaluing the money to half its value and it would start repaying if it could at some time in the future after devaluation and you MIGHT get £25,000 in value eventually – I just have this feeling you would call that default – if not outright theft NOT ‘restructuring’.

Inventing words to dishonestly misrepresent situations is an old and rather sordid trick – consider homosexuals who instead of admitting they are perverts insist on normal heterosexuals calling them ‘gay’ – What dishonest balderdash!

Just as calling the DEFAULT of Greece ‘restructuring’ – with an obscenely bloated public sector, a bit of tourism and absolutely no exports of consequence (well Feta Cheese and bulk olive oil for bottling overseas) Greece is BUST and has no choice but Default with absolutely no chance of survival within the EUro as with Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, Spain and Ireland – their only hope is charity and the only country able to provide that charity over the next 20 years, and it will take at least 20 years IF it works, is Germany.

The downside is clear – money that would have advanced the EU scam and might have helped towards growth will now be squandered on demeaning the default countries as they emerge to follow Greece.

The size of the debt and the piddly amount now on the table for the bail out is like the drunk peeing on a burning building to put out the fire – as the dawn rises over the ashes and the truth comes to light the building WILL have burned down but only dawn will show if the drunk fell in the fire and was consumed as the little hiss of steam as he urinated will be long forgotten.
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#0663* – UKIP Policy on the hoof IS NOT PROFESSIONAL

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it is clear that without cleaning up UKIP with leadership of competence and some much needed gravitas UKIP looks all too likely to continue going nowhere!

Meanwhile, UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage, who lives in Westerham, near Sevenoaks, and is also an MEP for the South East, said the need for an EU referendum was “absolutely urgent and vital”.
He added: “Those who want this to happen have overwhelming support in the country and it’s only our political leaders who are proving to be a road block.”

But this is totally in contradiction to his comment from his office:

This together with the many bitter, pety and insecure jibes he has made in efforts to hamper and sabotage Nikki Sinclaire’s highly successful petition which left UKIP, The People’s Pledge and its off shoot run by The Judas Goats of Tory, Labour & Union self seekers standing – even delivering where The Express Group failed.

It shows so clearly that UKIP is going nowhere with its odious extremist, racist, anti Jewish partners in The EU.

UKIP clearly lacks vital leadership and having an out of control one man band inventing contradictory policy on the hoof to suit that day’s hangover and his own palpable insecurity covered up by braggadocio and sound bites and pandering to populism as represented by an inexperienced and self serving claque.
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#0661* – UKIP LEADERSHIP HAVE BETRAYED THEIR ELECTORATE

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#0661* – UKIP LEADERSHIP HAVE BETRAYED THEIR ELECTORATE

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With all their Navel Gazing, Back Biting & Squabbling they have become part of The EU Problem with no sign of being part of the solution!

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we note even now the scum that act as emisaries for UKIP hidden in cowardly fashion behind false identities do little but bring shame on UKIP and in The EU Parliament nothing more than derision with their silly antics and clear support for racism, extremism, xenophobia and anti Judaism.

Whilst The EFD is posturing and preening and seeking to improve and serve The EU.

Nikki Sinclaire MEP not only went out with UKIP’s knives endlessly being placed in her back by cowards, low life and filth that are the leadership and sycophants, staff and parasites of The Farage Party.

Not only did she whilst The Judas Goats and Plastic EUroSceptics squabbled for glory and FAILED – she just ploughed ahead with her small group of staff, cross party supporters and genuine EUroRealists who want no part of membership of The EU and she obtained whilst the others bragged and jockeyed for position Nikki Sinclaire & her team DELIVERED.

Nikki Sinclaire has Delivered the required 100,000 signature petition, fully verified and cross checked to Downing Street by arrangement thus ensuring it has been officially lodged with The House of Commons.

Not stopping there Nikki Sinclaire, at her own expense, having purchased 2 advertising vehicles to take her campaign Nationwide also commissioned a YouGov Poll – The results showed:
When offered a vote in a referendum
52% of all adults poled would vote to leave The EU.
Only
30% would vote to stay in The EU!!!

Of Tory Voters:
76% want an IN/OUT EU Referendum
&
66% would vote to Leave-The-EU

On the back of her efforts not only was there a write up about her 100,000 signatures delivered to Drowning Street in The Mail on Sunday but also details of the Referendum in The Mirror but there is also this article in today’s Daily Telegraph.

WELL DONE Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP
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Shame on the scum that are now the clearly failed UKIP rump – visionless, strategyless, tacticless, leaderless and with not a single solitary achievement beyond the enrichment of a small self selected Clique looking after their own interests.

Good to see Kate Hoey & cross party MPs
also Trevor Colman MEP & Mike Nattrass MEP as the trolley boy ;-).

Tory MPs demand referendum on Europe

David Cameron must call a referendum on Europe or face a rebellion from his own party and a backlash from voters, a leading back-bench Tory warns today.

David Cameron gives a press conference prior to a meeting of the European Council; Europe has fallen for the Tories, but a quarrel is in the offing; AFP

Mr Pritchard accuses Mr Cameron of failing to honour a ‘guarantee’ to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty Photo: AFP

Mark Pritchard, the secretary of the 1922 committee of Conservative MPs, is the most senior Tory yet to demand a vote on Britain’s membership of the European Union following the eurozone crisis.
Writing in The Daily Telegraph, Mr Pritchard says that the EU has become an “occupying force” which is eroding British sovereignty and that the “unquestioning support” of backbenchers is no longer guaranteed.
He says the Government should hold a referendum next year on whether Britain should have a “trade only” relationship with the EU, rather than the political union which has evolved “by stealth”.
He warns that the Conservatives will see constituents “kick back” if taxpayers are forced to foot the bill for the failure of “unreformed and lazy” eurozone countries to introduce fully-fledged austerity measures.
Mr Pritchard is a leading figure in a group of 120 Conservative MPs who are pushing the Prime Minister to set out a “clear plan” for pulling back from Europe.

George Eustice, a backbench MP and former close aide to Mr Cameron, is also demanding a “new relationship” with the EU.
William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, recently threw his weight behind the Eurosceptics by saying that Britain might prosper by loosening its ties with Europe.
Mr Pritchard’s intervention will further increase tensions within the Coalition.
Danny Alexander, the Liberal Democrat Treasury minister, yesterday attacked Eurosceptics as being “enemies of growth”.
In a clear warning to Mr Cameron, Mr Pritchard says Tory MPs have become tired of tolerating the “Europhile views” of Liberal Democrat ministers.
He writes: “Conservative backbenches can no longer be taken for granted.
”Conservative MPs will not continue to write blank cheques for workers in Lisbon while people in London and Leicester are joining the dole queue.
“For many Britons, the EU has already become a kind of occupying force, setting unfamiliar rules, demanding levies, curbing freedoms, subverting our culture, and imposing alien taxes.
”In less than four decades, and without a single shot being fired, Britain has become enslaved to Europe — servitude that intrudes and impinges on millions of British lives every day.
“Brussels has become a burdensome yoke, disfiguring Britain’s independence and diluting her sovereignty.”
Mr Pritchard accuses Mr Cameron of failing to honour a “guarantee” to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
He says: “The Coalition should agree to a referendum on Europe asking whether Britain should be part of a political union or of the trade-only relationship we thought we had signed up to.
“This is a moderate proposition that would attract voters from across the political spectrum, unite many on the Left and Right within Parliament and galvanise the support of most in the media.” Mr Cameron recently ruled out a referendum on the EU asking whether Britain should opt in or out. Mr Pritchard believes his “stepping stone” approach will provide a compromise.
He says that if Britain votes for a trade-only relationship with the EU, there should then be a referendum about membership on the date of the next general election.
Mr Pritchard writes: “The British have grown weary of Europe. The Coalition government should end decades of political appeasement by successive governments and champion freedom and democracy for Britain – and agree a referendum.”
Mr Cameron and George Osborne, the Chancellor, know that the unfolding crisis in the eurozone will give the Conservative party’s Eurosceptic MPs a chance to argue more powerfully for a realignment of Britain’s position in the EU.
The 2010 intake of new Tory MPs is regarded as the most Eurosceptic in a generation and large numbers of government ministers remain privately anti-Brussels.
Some hope that Mr Osborne, the Conservative election strategist, will advance a series of policies that can address the concerns of his party before the next election and in the process tap into the worries of voters.
But Mr Osborne’s Liberal Democrat deputy at the Treasury, Mr Alexander, yesterday criticised those who want to take Britain away from the EU.
The Chief Secretary to the Treasury, told Liberal Democrat activists: “Sadly, Eurosceptics on left and right fail
to understand Winston Churchill’s
central insight that sharing sovereignty strengthens influence and isolation weakens us.
“Scottish Nationalists make the same mistake. We will never let the anti-Europeans or nationalists frustrate our national interest. They are enemies of growth.”
Backbencher Mr Eustice is spearheading the challenge to the Prime Minister over the EU.

Eurosceptic Tory backbenchers want the party leadership to act more decisively on Europe and return some powers to Westminster.

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#0658* – UKIP Led by Farage is Just A "Grubby Little Organisation"

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/09/2011

#0658* –  UKIP Led by Farage is Just A “Grubby Little Organisation”

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So says pop idle Duncan Bruce!
Well I guess with posters like the liars and cheats Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, John Ison, Mark Croucher, Ray Finch, Paul Nuttall and the like Duncan Bruce isn’t far wrong!!

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Nigel Farage UKIP Press Conference

Nigel Farage’s arrival on stage at the Ukip conference was accompanied by Chumbawamba‘s Tubthumping. Photograph: Frantzesco Kangaris/EPA

Anarchist pop band Chumbawamba expressed horror after their anthem to resilience, Tubthumping (I Get Knocked Down), was used at the Ukip conference in Eastbourne, East Sussex.

Band member Dunstan Bruce said his reaction to the news was one of:

“total and absolute outrage and horror”.

He suggested that the party must have been unaware of the band’s background.  

“This song being used by Ukip is so wrong. I am absolutely appalled that this grubby little organisation are stealing our song to use for their own ends. It’s beyond the pale and if they use it again we will consider legal action.”

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For more details of the conference see last year – much the same with the same 400 presented as near double that rattling around in an oversized facility with a platform to promote the EU’s aims with irrelevant foreign politicians and the normal little claque of Farage sychophants clamouring for attention to get a hand up onto the Gravy Train.

Sad really when you realise whist the whole of UKIP has been so badly led they have done nothing whilst those who really seek to Leave-The-EU have gone out and helped Nikki Sinclaire as an independent to get over 100,000 signatures and driven her campaign vehicles and ad vans 1,000s of miles working on a daily basis towards the Leave-The-EU cause – whilst the Judas Goats and Plastic EUroSceptics were merely helping The EU and routing around in the trough for more money for themselves!

It seems that UKIP has so lost the plot that their only means of defending themselves is not to show their achievements but to abuse and lie about anyone who tells the truth about them or does not endlessly worship their ineptitude.
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#0657* – UKIP / EFD Conference Puts EUkip Out on A Limb!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 14/09/2011

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Making Legal Fools of Themselves!
Whilst Obviously with Leadership UKIP could have done so well capitalising on Farage whilst he was controlled for Britain’s Benefit!

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After the embarrassing debacle of the EFD Conference and the day allocated to UKIP with its more of the same soundbites, same grouping of about 400 sold as many more and as ever implausible speeches – right down to the elderly failed Tory wheeled out on stage as the only apparent turn they could muster.
Save of course the efforts to wheel Jon Gaunt out as their Judas Goat, having failed totally to achieve anything of substance – in fact having failed to even keep his organisation up to date or with an executive staff anymore! – I’ll grant you it had been professionally & deliberately sabotaged by those Plastic EUroSceptics who having been denied the right to politically control and be in political command and make political capital for themselves set out themselves as Judas Goats to hijack the Peoples’ Pledge and turn it once again into The Politicians’ vehicle!
They lack even the gonnadic ability to admit that The Pledge has failed be it the original Pledge which Jon Gaunt has now jumped on the band waggon of seemingly a career move, possibly even hoping for a job with UKIP as with poor old Neil Hamilton!!!
Then of course there is that other failure the Marc Glendenning, Bob Crow, Labour inspired Judas Goat that has been set up as The Politicians’ vehicle with Dan Hannon and the like who seek to embarrass David Cameron.
That too has failed and crano rectally retentive as these self serving fools are preening in the mirror can they not understand they are making fools of themselves as severall weeks ago it was announced that The Petition Campaign for an in/out Referendum had reached the 100,000 target required and some whilst the Judas Goats were squabbling and trying to gain the upper hand with less than 50,000 signatures – Whilst they squabbled like Politicians the real work had been done by The Independent Nikki Sinclaire MEP with a small group of cross party MPs and MEPs THEY DELIVERED whilst the Plastic EUroSceptics acted like Judas Goats to sabotage the Petition concept THEY FAILED.
On Thursday last Nikki Sinclaire MEP and her supporters DELIVERED 100,000+ Signatures to Drowning Street and officially to The Rump Parliament at Westminster.
I note with interest Team Farage have systematically shot themselves in the foot – It was their well publicised intent to bring Nikki Sinclaire back into the fold having found themselves at risk of a staggeringly costly High Court action with the huge damages potential to follow!
As I predicted – an apology was issued to ameliorate the guilty verdict where the Courts found against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and UKIP in favour of Nikki Sinclaire.
I predicted huge efforts would be made to try to capitalise on her achievements since she disassociated herself from the extremist and vile EFD Group and the Farage Party Faction’s persuit of personal revenue!
I predicted all would be overtures UNTIL the EFD Conference was over (YES EFD as UKIP was willing to jump through any EU hoop and give the EU dream [Nightmare] credibility in return for the EU funding their conference!) – I then said the pretend deal would start to unravel.
It may amuse watchers of the sordid dishonesty of UKIP Leadership claque that they made much of TRYING to portray Nikki Sinclaire as unfit by virtue of a technical bankruptcy which Farage’s gutter rat had routed out in the sewers of his life – for which he, Mark Croucher, tried to claim glory when it was years earlier that I had provided the details and the fact that it was a complete irrelevancy pre dating her appointment to any office.
Strangely it has been made clear and deliberately leaked that UKIP will, if Nikki Sinclaire proceeds to The High Court, claim they suspended her right to represent UKIP BECAUSE she was once years ago a bankrupt.
Intertestingly this just won’t wash and digs the hole even deeper for UKIP!
Firstly it was public domain, irrelevant and common knowledge that she had been bankrupt when Nigel Farage as leader selected her as a candidate in an MEP constituency. Yet astonishingly the febrile excuse for his having lied about her and defamed her to get rid of her as a UKIP MEP when he forced his puppet Malcolm Pearson to write that scurrilous letter and outright lie was that she had to be removed as she had once in the past been a bankrupt and that she was discharged as a bankrupt years ago was irrelevant.
This was used as the excuse for firing her yet not firing Mike Nattrass or Trevor Colman who had also had sufficient integrity to leave the racist, extremist and violent EFD Group, yet not firing them!
So I guess Neil Hamilton will mnever be able to be an MEP or on The NEC and of course he will have to be fired from his position as the new Muppet of Wiltshire or whatever Farage calls his Branch/Regional appointed Chairmen who have never been elected and get parachuted in for his gain!
Although Neil Hamilton has been a member of UKIP for 6 years and is a Bankrupt Farage has a rule for people he can make money out of and another rule for people who challenge his corruption I guess!

Well it is The Farage Fund Raising Party I guess – but I guess that will cost UKIP members 10s of £1,000 when it comes to the High Court but why should Farage worry when UKIP received £8,500 compensation for an error in The Sunday Times that of course will have gone to Farage and when the Bills come in for his many lost Court cases those Bills go to the members!

What a charlatan Nigel Farage is but as I have always said Farage is UKIP’s greatest liability with his salaried sex life, drunken thieves on the staff, consorting with prostitutes and well known drunken reveries but he is also their only assett as he has made sure by surrounding himself with the weak, the venal and the corrupt, liars, cheats and bullies.
Not one of the leadership team is other than the scum that has risen in the septic tank Farage has built.

He is however quite a good performer all be it a uselesas leader as this video shows:
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#0656* – UKIP Conference & Its True Calliber!

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Displayed in all its failed values & Grubby Greed!!

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do excuse me for having failed to post for a few days but knowing The EFD (Friday) & UKIP (Saturday) Party Conference were on and well aware it would just be a repeat of the sound bites of such events in UKIP I felt it to be an appropriate time to spend a few days away (which we never announce in advance 😉 
On return today I note from the many reports that the event almost totally lived down to prediction with the only real highlight being the number of people observed congratulating Nikki Sinclaire MEP, now an Independent who alone (with her team) and a little help from Mike Nattrass MEP & Trevor Colman MEP now that they have disassociated themselves from the vile extremism of The Pan EU Political EFD Group, she has achieved far more towards raising serious awareness and having delivered a petition of over 100,000 signatures at Drowning Street, in Petition towards an In/Out Referendum to Leave-The-EU has out performed the Plastic EUroSceptics and Judas Goats so prevalent in The Tories and amongst EUkip leadertship.
Itt is clear they have very little desire to Leave-The-EU as their income streams & bribes would cease and pension funds would collapse having been dishonestly gained.
It was almost amusing to watch the true supporters wishing to Leave-The-EU making every effort to curry favour with her and making every effort to welcome her and seek to convince her to return and those who felt their incomes and positions challenged doing all they could to avoid her – Farage included, even the stupid woman who in her ill mannered ignorance felt it incumbent on her to berate Sinclaire for her efforts – amusingly no one knew who the foolish woman was! Well she must have done a lot for UKIP and the cause of leaving the EU!
Nikki Sinclaire’s Petition as a concrete action to Leave-The-EU speaks so much more clearly than all of EUkip’s fluffy words and efforts to ReForm The EU, with their various extremist partners over the years.
Sadly there was absolutely nothing else of worth or merit to report from a very lack luster conference with around 400 in attendance and many of the same soundbites of recent previous years, the same calliber of low lifes and self serving scoundrels making the same noises to great adulation from a handfull of gullible followers mostly hoping for preferment or at very least crumbs from the table in some cases like Mick McGough and the like in return for their lies and willingness to show themselves for the unpleasant and dishonest people they most clearly are, like maggots and flies on a dung heap with their strutting poppinjay crowing from on top.

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Anti-immigration ally of Silvio Berlusconi says 

Breivik had ‘some excellent ideas’

By Nick Pisa

Last updated at 2:47 PM on 27th July 2011

A coalition ally of Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has provoked outrage after he praised the rantings of Norwegian right-wing terrorist Anders Behring Breivik.
Mario Borghezio, an MEP with the anti-immigration Northern League party, who have campaigned against Muslims and the building of mosques, said Breivik had some ‘excellent’ ideas.
Speaking on an Italian radio show he said he agreed with the maniac’s ‘opposition to Islam and his explicit accusation that Europe has surrendered before putting up a fight against its Islamisation.’
Mario Borghezio
Norway's twin terror attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik
‘Excellent’ ideas: Mario Borghezio, an Italian MEP for the anti-immigration Northern League party, left, said he agreed with terrorist mass-murderer Anders Breivik, right, on his views about Muslim immigrants and Islam in Europe

Though Borghezio added that he did not however agree with the use of extreme violence, or Breivik’s anti-Papal views, his comments immediately unleashed a storm of fury with his own party apologising to still grieving Norway.
Northern League chief Roberto Calderoli said: ‘His comments are terrible and completely unqualified and we can only apologise to the families of the victims for the delirium of what he said.’

The Northern League is a key ally of Berlusconi’s ruling right-wing coalition and, although the prime minister did not comment personally, members of his party also rounded on Mr Borghezio.
Carlo Giovanardi, an MP for the Christian Democratic Party, said: ‘Is it too much to ask for our Northern League friends to throw Borghezio out of their party?
‘We have vain hopes he will resign for what he said but that is unlikely to happen.’
Italy’s Foreign Minister Franco Frattini also stepped into the row over Borghezio’s comments and said: ‘He should offer Norway his personal apologies.
‘We as a government cannot intervene directly with an MEP – but we have made it very clear that the best course of action would be for him to make a personal apology.
‘His own party has disassociated themselves from him and that is a very important sign – he must feel the duty to say himself that he is sorry for what he said.
‘Any message of racism, xenophobia and exclusion or which leads to an incitement of violence or an emulation of violence must be condemned.’
Horror: This picture shows Breivik stalking Utoya island, surrounded by the bodies of his young victims, with one in the water pleading for his life

Horror: This picture shows Breivik stalking Utoya island, surrounded by the bodies of his young victims, with one in the water pleading for his life

Terror: Debris is seen on the street after the car bomb planted by Breivik detonated outside a government building in Oslo

Terror: Debris is seen on the street after the car bomb planted by Breivik detonated outside a government building in Oslo

Today internet forums were ablaze with furious comments against Borghezio with one popular post saying that he ‘needs to be locked up in a mental asylum and have the key thrown away.’
But there were some comments in his favour with some saying he was ‘speaking the truth’ and calling on the Northern League to ‘support him instead of attack him’.
A new headache: Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi is still reeling from national debt problems and a string of high profile scandals

A new headache: Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi is still reeling from national debt problems and a string of high profile scandals

Borghezio himself was unrepentant and added: ‘I said what I said because I have the impression this massacre has a purpose, I don’t think this lunatic meant his act to have this outcome.
‘What we should ask ourselves is how can someone who was supposed to have been on a watch list been allowed to go around and do what he did?
‘Christians should not be sacrificial animals – they should be defended.’
Borghezio has a long history of anti-immigration campaigning – in 2005 he was found guilty of arson, after setting fire to pallets of some migrants sleeping under a bridge in Turin during a vigilante raid.
The centre-left opposition called for Borghezio to resign from the European Parliament.
David Sassoli, an MEP with Italy’s Democratic Left opposition, said: ‘It is a matter of shame for all of us that a representative of the ruling coalition made apologetic remarks about one of the cruelest acts of terrorism.’
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Hi,

UKIP supporters and those genuinely anti EU membership are clearly far from happy with the attrocious behaviour of Nigel Farage and his claque in his extremist EFD Group and when one then finds these self same scum of EU Politics turning up as guest speakers at UKIP events and are minded that The EFD members represent each other on EU Committees it is clear that with Farage and his leadership claque UKIP has no meaningful future acting on behalf of informed British people.
UKIP would seem to be determined to move itself from being a possible part of the solution to being a very clear part of the problem.
No one could reasonably say that Nigel Farage is other than a good performer and Liga one of the prostitutes with whom he was well publicised cavorting, as with Annabelle they have been both explicit and graphic in describing him as a good performer.
However I have never heard anyone with one wit of judgement, that could be respected, describe him as having any of the OQ (Officer Qualities) essential for a leader. He is an attrocious judge of character and it seems a worse strategic or tactical planner with no vision for the future much beyond his various scams, bank accounts and zip!
Yet again we have further provenance of his lack of integrity, self serving dishonesty and undeniable corruption – that is not for a moment to gain say he is UKIP’s greatest asset – sadly that is more a reflection on the low calliber of those he has gathered around him than of his abilities – a good sound bite man, a well rehearsed speaker and his scripts are well performed.
Sadly it is undeniable that he is both untrustworthy and untrusted as shown in the exchanges below from the UKIP controlled Forum managed by the weak, dishonest and venal Anthony Butcher in default of the political career he so aspired to!

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the Northern League and UKIP are the two largest parties in EFD, each with 9 MEPs in the group out of a group total of 27 MEPs. And the leader of the Northern League MEPs – and co-president of EFD – is Francesco Speroni, who is one of the two MEPs to have made these astonishing remarks supportive of Norway’s worst ever mass murderer. So when Farage quite rightly demands a retraction and apology for the remarks, or else UKIP will suspend its EFD membership, he may well be signalling the end of the EFD group.

Barboo

Such faith, Tom!

Compare your last sentence quoted above with what is actually happening. It took just 24 hours for the back-tracking to start!


Remember:


Speroni was directly quoted by the Guardian, saying:
 

“Breivik’s ideas are in defence of western civilisation”, and “I’m with Borghezio. I don’t think he should resign. If [Breivik’s] ideas are that we are going towards Eurabia and those sorts of things, that western Christian civilisation needs to be defended, yes, I’m in agreement”.

In a statement on 28 July, UKIP said Nigel Farage had contacted Speroni, his EFD co-president,

“to demand an immediate retraction and apology following his remarks and those of his fellow Northern League MEP Mario Borghezio . . . . If no retraction is forthcoming then UKIP will suspend its membership of the EFD group in which it sits alongside the Italian political party”.

On 29 July, UKIP’s follow up statement said Speroni had written to Farage saying that he condemns the massacre and the extreme fundamentalism in question – an addition to his earlier remarks.

Has Speroni withdrawn the statements he made in support of Borghezio?


No, he has not.


Has Speroni retracted his agreement with Breivik’s ideas?


No, he has not.


Has Speroni apologised?


No, he has not.


Has Nigel Farage suspended UKIP MEPs’ membership of the EFD as he said he would?


Apparently not. It seems Borghezio has been suspended by his party and UKIP says it is satisfied that this
 

“will send a clear message that they, and we will not have any truck with such disgraceful sentiments now or in the future”.

Farage is convening the EFD next week to suspend Borghezio from the group.

So that’s it. The book thrown at Borghezio; Speroni quietly forgotten. UKIP can trumpet that Farage has taken “prompt action”, and the EFD can survive with the temporary loss of one Italian.

Note that Farage’s demands for “an immediate retraction and apology” from Speroni are for home consumption only. The EFD‘s website doesn’t mention them, or the threat to suspend UKIP MEPs’ membership of the group.

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Maybe he wasn’t trying to satisfy Guardian readers in particular, but to satisfy anyone who thinks that the comments made by Mr Borghezio were vile, which is hopefully the vast majority of people all over the world.

Barboo  

An interesting aspect of this is that one of those who has condemned Borghezio’s comments, calling them “terrible, unspeakable remarks”, is the Lega Nord MP and cabinet minister Roberto Calderoli, the man indirectly responsible for UKIP MEPs and their allies expelling the Lega Nord from their previous Independence & Democracy group.

Calderoli was not even an MEP, yet in 2006 his party was expelled from the Ind/Dem following his provocative comments and TV appearance wearing a T-shirt bearing a copy of one of the Danish Muslim cartoons.

There has been no talk of expelling Speroni and Borghezio, whose comments have caused the current outrage; only of UKIP MEPs ‘suspending’ their EFD membership.

And it looks like Farage is welching on even that!

He gave Speroni an ultimatum – make an immediate full retraction and apologise, or we suspend our membership of the group.

Speroni has done neither. He’s stuck two metaphorical fingers up at UKIP’s leader and Farage has backed down, talking now of convening the EFD Bureau to suspend Borghezio instead.

He wouldn’t need to run to the Bureau for consent if he’d kept his word and suspended UKIP’s membership. He could have done that all by himself!

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Well that is not so good. What are they doing in the EFD? I didn’t think the Lisbon Treaty had anything to do with either freedom or democracy. In my view that would be far more offensive than something someone said in front of a load of emotional halfwits.

Why shouldn’t they be in it? You didn’t think the EFD was anti-EU did you?
Out of their own mouths, Baron . . . . .

Outcome of the referendum in Ireland (debate) 7 October 2009

Fiorello Provera (EFD )

The Lega Nord , the party I represent, voted for the Treaty in the Italian Parliament and I personally was the rapporteur.

(Note: Signor Provera is the EFD member Sharon Ellul Bonici was hoping to sign up for Godfrey Bloom’s new PEPP)

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Presentation of the work programme of the Swedish Presidency (debate) 15 July 2009
Francesco Enrico Speroni, on behalf of the EFD Group.

We must overcome the crisis of confidence that undoubtedly exists. The poor turnout at the elections of this Parliament is a symptom of this, and to overcome it, we must act fully in accordance with the will of our electorate. We must also perhaps avoid making comparisons: your country borders Norway; I live near Switzerland. They are outside the European Union, but they live well all the same; they have the same problems, but they are no worse off than us, and here it is important to see and to demonstrate that it is worth having the European Union.

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Multi-annual programme 2010-2014 regarding the area of freedom, security and justice (Stockholm Programme) (debate) 24 November 2009

Mario Borghezio, on behalf of the EFD Group

We need to create a single European legal system if we want to combat, at European level, crime that has become international and moves easily between banks, tax havens, financial markets and movable and fixed assets markets.

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Farage is a bleedin idiot.
First to come across as Mr Big . . . . and now with bluff called Farage looks like the priick many suspect he has always been.

Barboo 

Quite.

At the end of July, following the mass murder of young Norwegians by Anders Behring Breivik, UKIP issued two statements regarding comments made by their MEPs’ EFD colleagues Mario Borghezio and Francesco Speroni.

On 28 July, UKIP wrote: “Nigel Farage said: 

“Nigel Farage said: “I have written to the leadership of the Northern League party to demand an immediate full retraction and apology. If my request is not met, then we will suspend our membership of the EFD group”.

A clear and unequivocal undertaking.

On 29 July, following Speroni’s reply, UKIP wrote:
 

“Mr Farage is convening the governing Bureau of the EFD Group in the European Parliament next week in order to suspend Mr Borghezio from his membership of the group”.

Another clear and unequivocal undertaking, yet if Borghezio had retracted and apologised as Farage demanded, why was he to be suspended? And if he had not retracted and apologised, Farage (having suspended UKIP MEPs from the group as stated on July 28), would not then be in a position to convene the Bureau and suspend Borghezio.

So where is the retraction and apology, and on what date and with what outcome was the Bureau convened?


Because despite UKIP’s statements and Nigel Farage’s assurance, UKIP MEPs are still sitting and voting in the European parliament with their EFD colleagues Speroni and Borghezio. 

See Roll-call votes, Busuttil Report, 13.9.2011 http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/…EN&language=EN

quote:

(Against) EFD: (The Earl of) Dartmouth, Agnew, Andreasen, Batten, Bizzotto, Borghezio, Bufton, Clark, Farage, Fontana, Provera, Rossi, Salvini, Scotta, Speroni, de Villiers
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Huffing and puffing empty promises to shut critics up at home; treated with contempt by MEPs he ‘presides’ over in Brussels; and all the time, out of sight of UKIP members, European parliament business as usual.

How utterly despicable!

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Hi,

this discussion from one of the many Forums where I post material opposed to membership of The EU may interest you:

    I agree.

    However, even if people haven’t got computers we can’t hold progress up.

    Computers are part of our lives and they won’t go away.

    We must adapt to modern society or we will be left behind.

    All kids at school are computer literate, with the rest of the population following fast.

    Over 50s are one of the fastest groups that are jumping on the computer bandwagon.

    We must embrace things like ePetition/ modern technology.

Hi,

woopy – subsequent to my last posting I have been sent a copy of a letter I have been awaiting for some days – AGAIN we have The Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire to thank for this:

This means that her petition of over 100,000 signatures as announced and surprisingly widely published, in view of the fact her schedule was committed to announcement from Smith Square slap bang the day after the civil unrest when all the looters in suits were mumbling and squeeeeeling at the thought of competition from the proles.

This letter solves all problems as it can thus be an ‘e’petition on the .gov site AND a paper addition.

With Parliament resitting watch out for the presentation of the petition shortly and on a totally cross party basis.

I believe we all owe Nikki Sinclaire for her efforts – have you signed her petition? It can be signed on line OR on paper as the letter above shows – in fact her office is transposing all ePetition data onto paper and I gather an outside agency is erradicating duplicates and collating the data under strict data protection terms.

This letter now to hand I hear that Thursday will be likely to be the next ratchet turn 😉

Obviously the YouGov Poll was hugely significant and now the aim is to go on to yet more signatures to ensure no one tries to duck out on the Government benches when a Referendum becomes inevitable now, especially as well over 70% of Tory voters want a referendum on In/Out with regard to the EU, and embarrassingly the Judas Goats approved by the Tories as Plastic EUrosceptics with their other ‘PLEDGE’ Polls have rather lost control with, I gather, less than 50,000 signatures and I am given to understand some 30,000 of those are merely recycled and laundered Democracy Movement signatures though this is I concede hear say from the previous referendum that was given them!

Interestingly I gather on various technicalities The Express signatures are invalid as the poll was not carried out properly, or so I hear. However I doubt Mr. Despond will be giving praise to Nikki as we all know she is not a pornographers lap dog and seeks only relevant and serious publicity – hence her achievements.

She can in all fairness now say she has actually achieved, laterly with Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman once they left Farage’s control and thus The EFD, they have achieved more in real terms than UKIP has done in all its 18 years of self enrichment and posturing for its leadership!

At least every single signature on Sinclaire’s Petition is genuine and her ad vans etc. have paid off – even if she is hoping for donations to help her fund them!!!

See her site CLICK HERE and sign up to the future 😉

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Amusingly he makes much of factions within UKIP and then goes on to show what an irrelevancy The Tories are claiming himself to be in one of the factions!

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I thought it might be a change to quote from Roger Helmer’s blog:

66% of Tories would vote to leave the EU

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A new YouGov poll shows a clear majority of voters in favour of leaving the EU: 52% want to leave, against only 30% who want to stay in.  Amongst Conservative voters, that ratio rises to 66 against 22 — a three-to-one majority.

The poll was commissioned by Nikki Sinclaire, a former UKIP MEP, now independent (and thus a standing monument to UKIP’s factionalism, which has seen several resignations from their MEP ranks).  
Ms. Sinclaire may well have her own axe to grind — indeed she certainly does.  
But nonetheless the poll was conducted by YouGov, no doubt with their usual impeccable professionalism, so I think we have to accept the result.

The poll also shows that 60% of the public (74% of Conservative voters) want an In/Out EU referendum, while only 25% (19% of Tories) don’t.

I put it to David Cameron some time ago that the great majority of Conservatives disagreed with his view that British membership of the EU was in our national interest, and that perhaps he as Party Leader ought to take this into account. 
His reply was uncompromising: he didn’t want an In/Out referendum, because (again) he believed membership was in our national interest.

But you don’t have referenda merely to confirm your prejudices.  You have referenda to give the people their chance to have a say.  There’s something uncomfortably paternalistic in saying, in effect “I won’t let you have your say on this question, because you disagree with my settled opinion, and I happen to know that I’m right and you’re wrong”.

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There’s me thinking I lived in a democracy, the wikipedia definition of which is:
“Democracy is a form of government in which all people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives”

Comment by tonyegghead

Hi,

silly fellow – we shoot, bomb, maim and kill people in sovereign foreign Nations to force such a concept upon them.

The are obliged to accept OUR definition of a democracy down the barrel of a gun or be killed.
Britain on the otherhand is denied such a concept as it would overturn the corruption that is managed and controlled by the self serving politicians and their parasites.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Comment by Greg_L-W.

… and you are still a Conservative? Funny how he was most insistent that we had a right to a referendum BEFORE the election.

http://eyetube.me/play.php?vid=360
Comment by Sue

Roger, given Cameron’s response, what have you actually done about it? If nothing so far, what are you actually going to do about it?
This blog post appears to be nothing more than another ‘tick in the box’, the latest in a long line of gestures that do nothing other than convince your supporters you are ‘sound’ on the EU subject. More people are beginning to ask, to coin a phrase, where’s the beef?
You like to highlight and explain things, so why not post a piece on here explaining to your supporters why you are comfortable with Conservative MPs who claim to be opposed to our EU membership voting in favour of integrationist measures in the House?
Are they just a faction, or are all Tories completely untrustworthy and impotent when it comes to doing what the people they represent want them to do?

Comment by Autonomous Mind

I’m somewhat taken aback by what comes across as a very aggressive attitude towards Roger.
You are referring to Roger supporting Chris Heaton-Harris and his initiative to promote an anti-EU group amongst tory MPs. You shot from the hip then without bothering to check your facts – are you now embarrassed by your journalistic failure and doing whatever you can to paper over the cracks?
I have in the past had respect for your blog – but I’m losing that, fast.
What exactly do you suppose Roger can do? It’s a matter of record that Roger has lost the whip in the past for his stance. He is a conscience politician who is not afraid to speak it like it is. But he’s not superman!

What should be obvious to you right now is that Cameron and Osborne do not listen to anybody so why moan at Roger because he hasn’t persuaded them to change their mind? What can he do that you can’t? Why haven’t you as an influential political blogger forced Cameron into an EU referendum? Where, Autonomous Mind, is your beef?

Comment by tonyegghead

I was about to reply, but Tony Egghead did already! You ask why I didn’t post a blog about the position of Tory MPs — but of course I did. Perhaps you didn’t read it? Se “True Believers”.
Comment by Roger Helmer MEP

Roger, this is what your government has approved and given permission for.
http://www.parker-joseph.com/pjcjournal/2011/08/31/esm-treaty-eu-commission-mafia-at-work/
You have to admit, this is corruption of democracy on a massive scale

Comment by Sue

How come politicians in government never seem to feel the breeze of public opinion wafting around their heads?
I am fascinated by the fact that oft times, said public opinion when as forceful as this, turns out to be right.

Let’s face it, is it likely that so many people could be wrong?
It only takes someone to formulate and present a plan for the safe and economically acceptable withdrawal of England (the UK?) from the EU and there would be even fewer dissenters to the idea of a referendum on the subject and fewer people who want to be European.

Comment by Heather Alibakir

Hi,

I wonder howmany remember the ‘trustees’ in Auschwitz – as Jews aiding their captors they survived for as long as they willingly filled and emptied the the ‘showers’ and the incinerators.
Perhaps they were hoping that the SS would have a change of heart in 40 or so years time!

It is now over 40 years since we first heard the mantra that ‘we mustn’t startle the horses’ and ‘we can change the party’.

I wonder how many others see something of a similarity!

The Tories even came up with the ludicrous slogan:
‘In EUrope but not ruled by Europe’.
I expect many of the ‘trustees’ had their cantors chanting:
‘In the gas chamber but not breathing’, for them!

Perhaps Helmer would care to tell us all EXACTLY what he has achieved in his 12 years as a Judas Goat.

We are all well aware of the very generous bribes and expenses he has received for doing his JOB in those 12 years.

Clearly he has utterly failed to convince EUroRealists, he has duped very few Eurosceptics and it is self evident that he and his cronies have achieved absolutely nothing to Leave-The-EU.

Unable to convince their own side it is hardly surprising they have failed to convince anyone else!
It is our own politicos and their hirelings and parasites in the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy who are the Looters and OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN

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Greg_L-W.

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