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Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/07/2009


Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!



earlier today I was mailed a URL and asked for my comments on it by an associate. Interestingly I had covered a similar topic on one of my Blogs in answer to a question which you can read if you CLICK HERE

It underlies a question and what seems to me to be one of the great weaknesses of the EUroSceptic movement – clearly EUroRealism (a term coined by myself and Mark Oliver over a dozen years ago to differentiate between the dreamers and the Realists) seeks to address the FACTS as they are NOT as we wish they were!

It is hardly surprising that The EU itself considers Euroscepticism to be the root not of leaving but of reform and The EU talks in terms of a EUrope of Freedom anbd Democracy – where the peoples make very slight reforms in terms of their Euroscepticism which currently is justified in the light of their perceived democratic deficite which is aiming to deliver freedom to 500 Million people.

Thinking EUroRealists will appreciate this is purely ‘Linguistic Neural Programming’ on the fundamental principle of ‘he who controls the language controls the debate’. The utter failure of EUkip to remain outside of this corrupt view of politics now leads EUkip to be using the language and largely loosing the argument even going so far as to adopt the language forming a group called ‘The Freedom & Democracy Group’ – I presume purchased off the shelf from Maggot Wallstrom’s propaganda department!

One also notes that EUkip having done much to have 2 BNP MEPs elected they are now working hard to raise the income of the more extreme version of The BNP inm the EU!

There are those who are so ill informed regarding the EU that they renounce me for portraying EUkip as nothing more than ‘Usefull Idiots for The EU’ providing a figleaf of pretence democracy – have my critics taken the slightest peep at the facts?

Consider the comments of Derek Bennett currently still managing his Fire Place business some 6 days a week, though sold out to the Nattrass family some years ago, Mike Nattrass’ son is the MD whilst Derek is on the EU books at £26,000 a year and seemingly serves as Nattrass’ Regional Organiser – as far as I can ascertain.

Derek Bennett used to be an idealist of principle and his regular publication which he aptly named EUroRealist was for me a regular read and in fact Derek not only put me on his mailing list but also published a number of my articles. Sadly he is now a part of the undeniably corrupt EUkip with self serving ambitions – I still read his publication on occasions but unfortunately it is no longer as reliable as it is a part of the EU funded ‘Usefull Idiot’ concept. Note Derek’s apparent salary according to The EU under Nattrass’ declared allowances – or is he paid by The EU to sel fire places where the most recent accounts show an annual loss in excess of £100,000!

We must remember, if we are to believe Dennis Brooks, a previous Nattrass R.O. who took Nattrass to Court and is still appealing the tribunal ruling with evidence, we understand, of abuse of EU funds (OLAF complaint/enquiry OF/2009/0487) – I also understand there are allegations of forgery for pecunniary gain made by Brooks one assumes.

I understand Nattrass has the most meagre understanding of Chinese Walls or even Bamboo Curtains as with the apparent overlap of interests under investigation by OLAF which may include Lynnette Azim who seemingly had a dual role. Understandable I agree but morally very dubious!

Do read Derek’s blog and my Comment thereon, in context, and draw your own conclusion.

Monday, 6 July 2009

Someone I know within the anti-EU campaign has been studying the Vienna Convention on Treaties in relation to the convoluted and extremely confusing document, which is the Lisbon Treaty, and has written to the UN leader about it.

In a two page letter to Ban Ki-Moon one section of the letter pointed out: “Having looked at the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, I took particular note of Article 31, and in particular section 1, General rule of interpretation, Article32, Supplementary means of interpretation, Article 40 Amending Treaties, Article 49, Fraud and others up to Article 62.

These articles are in this Treaty for a purpose. Long lasting Treaties should be honestly written and clear so that all involved can understand the true meaning of them for these are meant to be long lasting and binding, therefore great trouble should be taken in the drawing up of the Treaties-the previous now abandoned EU Constitution took longer than two years. All should understand fully in complete truthfulness and in complete understanding so that in the ratification and the people that they apply to can understand them fully.”

Many people in this country see the abandonment of our sovereignty and the handing over of governance to the EU to be illegal as it is treason – which there can be no denial. The trouble is trying to get any authority to take this seriously as those who hold the power to do so are the ones committing the crime of treason – it’s like asking a thieving policeman to arrest himself.

However, if you read the above section of the Vienna Convention and apply it to the Lisbon Treaty which was deliberately drawn up so that no one can understand it, the EU has actually committed a crime under international law as laid down by the UN.

It seems that Ban Ki-Moon nor anyone else from the UN bothered to responded to my friend, the letter writer, but what if Bank Ki-Moon found a sudden flood of letters quoting the above passage? would the UN be obliged to take the EU to task over the confusing wording of the Lisbon Treaty?

Just in case you are inspired to do a bit of letter writing, here is his address: His Excellency Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary General, United Nations, New York, USA.

To view the original article CLICK HERE

Although there is much in what derek has written, having been asked by a third party for my opinion I took the opportunity to widen my brief and responded on Derek’s blog as follows:


much as I applaud your associate’s efforts there are simpler aspects of British Law to impose on the issue before recourse to Vienna 1969 or the as yet unadopted 1986 version as published in 2005.

Law is largely a construct of interlocking pieces!!

Consider the oft heard mantra of the EUroSceptic simpleton ‘well all we need to do is repeal the 1972 ECA and send a bus over to Brussels to collect our people back’.

Some people even believe this – just as they peddle arcane ‘Treason Laws’ and childishly wish to put corpses on trial – oblivious of the realities of law as it IS, rather than as we may wish it WAS.

If only it was that easy!

You require an entire exit and survival strategy and some serious political thought, which having looked at the ‘so called’ Libertarian ideas just isn’t joined up thinking. UNFORTUNATELY nor are the self serving maunderings of EUkip.

Since we no longer have the ability to feed ourselves in Britain, being a net importer of food, just how will you feed the British peoples the day after leaving The EU?

Consider the fact that every major international trade is now bound under the terms of The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969 (SEE OUTLINE AT: CLICK HERE)

ALL International Treaties for the supply by importation of food to Britain are thus under EU Law, upheld by The EU.

I do NOT contend we can NOT leave the EU, merely that repeal of the 1972 ECA will NOT achieve it!

The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties

can be found at:



I hope this helps – it was an airy fairy approach to political issues which ensured that Libertas was a failure – just a rich man’s ego on a rampage!

Just as failure to address FACT or DETAIL, whilst swanning around drunk in Brussels, had ensured EUkip would have 0 to 4 MEPs elected had it not been for the FACT that Heather ?? had forced her FoI through the Courts and won.

Thus forcing the Government (against its will) to publish both expenses and Secondary Allowances, resulting in a false indifference to the EU issue and the revolt against the Lib.Lab.Con. – Thus accidentally putting EUkip centre stage the happy beneficiary of matters unrelated to EUkip.

The efforts of the leadership to rasie the shibboleth of a EUkip under attack by The BNP as a ‘Reichstag Fire’ technique – led on to ensuring that EUkip were directly responsible for election of 2 BNP MEPs – thus some 15 MEPs were elected by pure happenstance NOT grounded on sound politics or any intellectual reasoning.

The question how we leave the EU has NEVER been addressed by EUkip and now having assisted in getting 2 BNP MEPs elected and some 13 staggeringly uninspiring and incompetent MEPs accidentally parachuted in on the back of revolt against a domestic issue we are not only no closer to leaving but in fact possibly further in that now it seems EUkip is assisting in increasing the funding of some of the most vile people in politics – extremist racist, xenophobic, homophobic politicians like Lega Nord, LOAS, True Finn and their like!

We note the dutch group demand EU Law be based on Biblical Dictat – what like The Dutch Reform Church which enshrined apparteid in Christian Law in South Africa perhaps!

Beware telling the truth will NOT make you popular and will ensure you are banned from various Forums which are dependent on misinformation and egos, to ensure a small clique, nay even ‘claque’ can maintain their seats at the troughs on the gravy train!!

Good luck 😉

Greg L-W.


What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62


I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

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