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#0649* – Even a Lawson Love In by UKIP Fails to hit the spot

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/09/2011

#0649* – Even a Lawson Love In by UKIP Fails to hit the spot!

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~Even a Nigel Lawson Love In by UKIP’s Nigel Farage Fails to hit the spot!!

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Richard Watt has posted an interesting if somewhat contrived blog.

I say contrived because surely UKIP can not be so grossly out of touch with British politics as to have only just realised this!

One appreciates UKIP has very little presence in Britain with its leadership dedicated to The EU dream and crano rectally retentively riding the gravy train for all it is worth – surely they must have been tipped off by someone more astute or at very least more awake to the fact that Nigel Lawson has had at very least grave misguivings about The EU since he left office in 1989 22 years ago.

Nigel Lawson, like Norman Tebbit and even Margaret Thatcher would seem to admit they had Damascene convertions AFTER they had any income or influence in Government.

Now at almost 80 Lawson is able to put his impramature on his belated prognostications on The EU but sadly at 80 that is a little late as with the octogenarian Norman Tebbi – sadly Margaret Thatcher would seem to have had her outspoken moments long after their delivery was consequential as when she offered her advoce and support to Nikki Sinclaire in opposition to The EU.

It is a change to see UKIP leadership involved in a story of some consequence in the run up to their EFD Conference at the end of the week. Though with the Michael Heaver story they have achieved something of an own goal showing how unprofessional and fractured the party is CLICK HERE

Though even that is better than endless article about their leaders testicals and the drunken antics and theft by his staff.

There has been little for UKIP to present having spent almost an entire year navel gazing and squabbling, or should that not be ANOTHER year!

Considering the many £Millions trousered by its leadership and the miniscule donation level they have displayed save in their personal re-election campaigns – it would be interesting to see a dossier of facts materialise around the liar, and general low life, Derek Clark as with the compilation of documents presented by Derek Hunniken recently CLICK HERE to which I have added some verifiable ammendments of fact.

Anyone wishing to compile such a dosier of facts about events or details regarding UKIP and its antics can of course with pleasure lift any articles from this and my other blogs, best accessed via the links on the Right Sidebar – you will note there was little new in The Hunniken dossier but for all that I am grateful that he could find the time to pull the documents together.

At least since my blog has been in the public domain for scrutiny as published and has been legally verified you can be assured of its accuracy as never once has anyone found a witting or willful error or misrepresentation you will be pleased to know and obviously any item is as published and in the public domain for reproduction with the usual courtesies of sourcing you are welcome to use it.

I believe the same can be said of the blog produced by the Junius team at CLICK HERE or that of the UKIP NEC elected Dr. Eric Edmond which can be found if you CLICK HERE

Anyway contrived as the publicity may be you will I’m sure enjoy Richard Watt’s blog below:

Lord Lawson invited to join UKIP after he challenges David Cameron on EU

Former chancellor at odds with prime minister as he calls for Britain to throw out further European integration altogether

Ex-chancellor Nigel Lawson

Lord Lawson of Blaby, the former chancellor, was invited to join UKIP today after he called for an ender to greater EU integration. Photograph: Martin Argles

With impeccable timing, the UKIP leader Nigel Farage today wrote to the former chancellor Lord Lawson to invite him to join his party.
Farage fired off a letter after Lawson called on David Cameron to use any future EU treaty negotiations, in the wake of the crisis in the Eurozone, to call for an end to greater European integration.
In an article in the Times, Lawson wrote:

To be precise, the notion that “more Europe” must always be promoted, that there is no acceptable end to the process of integration short of a full-blown United States of Europe, and that the watchword must always be that of “ever closer union” has to be explicitly abandoned.
And this requires not merely a declaration to that effect, but its embodiment in a full-blown constitution that sets out the entrenched and unalterable competences and responsibilities of the member states of the Union – the very reverse of what is contained in the anti-constitutional Lisbon treaty.

This is what Farage says:

Nigel Lawson has come to the conclusion that the very approach of the EU is against Britain’s interests, and is calling for the concept of ‘Ever Closer Union’ to be struck from the Treaty.
He calls for a new Constitution that makes explicit the limits of EU power. He is also wise enough to know that his proposals have not a cat in hells chance of being accepted by the other 26 countries of the European Union.
What Lord Lawson leaves unspoken is what happens when inevitably the EU rejects his idea. If the changes he calls for are not made, then Britain must reserve the right to leave the moribund European Union and strike out as a free-trading good neighbour of the European Union.

As a loyal Tory, Lawson will probably be horrified at the prospect of joining UKIP. But Farage is clever to invite Lawson to join his party because David Cameron and George Osborne will not accept the ideas outlined by the former chancellor in today’s Times.
Lawson will struggle because the prime minister and chancellor have abandoned one of the central tenets of Tory thinking over Europe over the last 20 years. This view held that Britain must fight hard to avoid the creation of what is called a “two speed Europe” – an inner group, led by Germany and France, and a more detached group led by Britain. This approach explains why John Major always left open the possibility of British membership of the euro after negotiating a British opt-out from the single currency in the 1991 Maastricht treaty.
Cameron and Osborne are making clear they would have no qualms if the 17 members of the Eurozone decide to introduce greater fiscal co-operation to underpin the single currency. This is what the chancellor wrote in the FT last month:

The eurozone…needs to demonstrate commitment to greater fiscal integration and governance arrangements that avoid moral hazard and entrench fiscal responsibility.

Some pro-Europeans regard the Cameron and Osborne’s decision to embrace a “two speed Europe” as a reckless gamble that will severely diminish British influence in the EU.
Cameron and Osborne have a ready response. They say:
• Britain, which would not be part of the new eurozone arrangements, has a vital national interest in ensuring the survival of the euro, the currency of Britain’s largest trading partners. Poor implementation of the growth and stability pact, which was meant to prevent the sort of borrowing that has inflicted such harm on Greece and Ireland, is to blame for the current crisis. Stricter rules should, goes the thinking, help prevent a repeat of the mess.
• New rules for the eurozone would present a golden opportunity for Britain. The necessary treaty changes would have to be approved by all 27 members of the EU. The prime minister told the Tory 1922 committee before the summer recess that he would use the treaty negotiations to repatriate powers in three key areas – legal rights, criminal justice and social and employment legislation. But there would be a coalition bust-up on this. Nick Clegg rejected the Cameron proposal when he said that the euro crisis was no time to demand a “pound of flesh”.
In his assault on the euro, Lawson failed to mention his support for the warm up for the single currency – the European exchange rate mechanism. The former chancellor resigned from the cabinet in 1989 after Margaret Thatcher refused to distance herself from her late economic adviser, Sir Alan Walters, after he described the ERM as “half baked”. As I blogged last month, Lawson explained to William Keegan in 2007 why he supported the ERM but not the single currency.

I must say it is sad that still these elderly political war horses are but Plastic EUroSceptics in that they almost to a man talk of reform thus redefining the true logic of EUroScepticism which in the hands of the honest make it very clear that reform is not on offer – now, in the past or ever in the future.

Can it be that they have read the treaties and honestly not understood them?

Surely after so many years climbing greasy poles they can not have become so stained with grease that they loose sight of the very thing that in the first place gave them office and then kept them thus employed.

Yes indeed a structure designed to maintain the status quo.

The only option available if we are to survive as a Nation and a people even some might say a genus is to with care withdraw from membership and with compassion assist those he realise the folly of their involvement to withdraw also.

ANY other action even the inevitable collapse of this arcane and failed experiment could all too easily end in 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope in the wars of disassociation and from the resultant famine caused by the folly of The EU which has so damaged food production with the CAP & CFP together with over regulation that for the first time in modern history EUrope can not feed itself at just the very time the damage done by EU financial policies and red tape have come together to starve us of our markets to earn the money by export to buy the very food we need – hence the invention of Carbon Credits as the new ‘Fetish’ to ward off the man made scam of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Much as I respect the Lawsons, Tebbitts, Thatchers and some of their colleagues and predecessors it would be refreshing to hear one tell the truth and not emmulate the ‘party line’ of the politicos as Plastic EUrosceptics aiding and abetting our betrayal as Judas Goats.
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#0638* – Dr. Eric EDMOND’S Take on Derek HUNNIKIN’S Papers.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/08/2011

#0638* – Dr. Eric EDMOND’S Take on Derek HUNNIKIN’S Papers.

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Dr. Eric EDMOND, ex NEC member, comments on Derek HUNNIKIN’S Papers on UKIP corruption  from his perspective, as published so far!!

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Saturday, 27 August 2011

Derek Hunnikin’s UKIP papers

Derek Hunnikin joined UKIP in 1995 twelve years before I did. He sent me a series of documents detailing the unsavoury history of UKIP’s hierarchy from 1995 to date. His email address is

derekhunnikin@btinternet.com

I urge all interested in UKIP’s fate to email Derek requesting a copy of his dossier.

I have never met Mike Nattrass and I know nothing of his views. I think UKIP’s best hope lies with Nikki Sinclaire, whom I have met, and  who has been very active with her referendum campaign. I know  some of her other political views do not play well with some of UKIP’s core support but I urge them to concentrate on the big issue of leaving the EU and not be beguiled by a sterile left wing right wing argument. One of the most effective and articulate opponents of the EU in the UK is Bob Crow, the far left, rail worker’s leader!

One of the most telling comments in the dossier came from Robin Page who makes the point he was voted onto the governing body of the National Trust against the wishes of the NT establishment only after the NT stared using the Electoral Reform Society to conduct is ballots. On the NEC I fought for UKIP to use the ERS for all UKIP elections.I  was bad mouthed by Farage, Whittaker, Derek Clarke, Denny etc  who clearly had their own agenda in these matters and deliberately mis-represented the service the ERS offered at a very competitive price..

I publish below the reply I have sent to Derek based on my own experience.

Dear Derek,

Thank you very much for sending me copies of the above. It must have taken a great deal of time and effort on your part to do this and I wholeheartedly thank you for this. I read all your documents and learned a great deal from them as I only joined UKIP in 2007!

I had worked for the UK government in the period 71/73 when Heath pushed through the Common Market Accession Act with a succession of dirty tricks. I thought then when I resigned from the Civil Service I had seen it all, that was until I met Nigel Farage!

Looking at the latest list of those standing for the NEC my heart sinks. Farage supporters and wannabe MEPs predominate.

Tim Congdon is a good man and excellent academic economist but lacks the ability to talk to ordinary people. Gerard Batten turns to jelly when opposed by Farage. John Bufton is ill and I doubt Trevor Colman wants to stand again given the villification he has had from SW committee members. William Legge, the belted Earl, is another Bannerman. He simply wants a political career after the Tories had multiply rejected him. Worse, his paid ‘minder’ is Malcolm Wood  a long term associate of Farage who shares many of Farage’s characteristics.

I am sorry I have not been more help to you but my energies have been diverted to helping my wife and her French property these last six months. I agree with most of your sentiments and views on UKIP.
UKIP is the only political party I have ever been a member of and through it I met many fine people whom I still count as my friends. It is sad, but not surprising, to realise from your dossier that my UKIP experience merely repeated the experiences of those who had gone before and that if by chance in future any non – Farage supporter is elected onto the NEC list or MEP list I fear they will suffer the same fate!

I was elected both to the NEC and MEP SW slate on the democratic vote of UKIP members. UKIP is not a democratic party but a Farage cult and hence can never have any impact on UK politics

Regards

Eric Edmond

 
Farage’s chosen  prosecutor for my fictitious damaging  of UKIP was Bannerman. I am still a paid up member and supporter of UKIP. We all know where Bannerman now sits in adoration of his new found political hero and hoped for political patron David Cameron.  So tell me Mr  Farage who was the traitor in UKIP and who the unjustly prosecuted honest supporter wrongly removed from the NEC and MEP slate at your instigation? .

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Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

for the record and to maintain the continuum of fact as supplied upon my various blogs – where it will be noted there has in 1,000s of entries NEVER been a factual statement made by me on UKIP or any individual connected with UKIP that can be shown to have been materially wrong, misleading or in any way dishonest.

I have to ensure complete inclusion of the record posted Derek HUNNIKIN’s documentation as per the numbered order in which they were supplied at: http://caterpillarsandbutterflies1.blogspot.com/2011/08/one-mans-sabotage-of-noble-cause-by.html For all to read –
There is no need of anyone pestering Derek H. for the many ‘e’Mails and the multiple attachments as it is now readily available at the address above.

It can be downloaded, printed, copied and used in any way individuals may wish to try, even at this late stage, to clean-up UKIP and make it electable by ethical individuals based upon knowledge and facts.

Anyone who has difficulty using the URL as supplied or forgets the whereabouts can go to my main UKIP-vs-EUkip blog and in the Right Side Bar look up Derek HUNNIKIN’s entry and click on it – the whole story will lie before you to read and the URL is easy to remember and can be passed on with ease.
http://ukip-vs-eukip.blogspot.com
I trust this helps provide yet more information with which to clean-up UKIP and make it a part of the solution rather than EUkip’s Farage Fan Club and a part of the problem!
Let us hope this moves OUR Country steadily towards the exit to Leave-The-EU

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Blogger Eric Edmond said…

Thx Greg for putting Derek’s dossier up on your blog.

Its a valuable resource for any who want to find out the extent of the damage to UKIP done by Farage and his Cabal over many years.

As you say it will save Derek answering many emails.

I trust you are recovering your health.

28 August 2011 01:17

Blogger Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

thanks for the well wishes. Despite 3 months of chemo and 20 doses of Radio Therapy it would seem they have failed to make me one fraction as ill as they had expected nor even lose my hair!!

I do not advocate the energy levels such treatment leaves in its wake but without the treatment I would have lost my 13 year battle with cancer in about June or July!

The one lesson to learn for others is that life is much too short for cheap wine and there is no doubt laughter is the best medicine, particularly when self deprecating!!

As to The Hunnikin documents – as you will appreciate many of them can be found as individual documents on the Right SideBar of:
http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
Derek Hunnikin’s compilation is in full also – via his name in The Right Side Bar.

As at now I would contend that UKIP is so corrupt and corrupted as to be unfit for purpose and a part of the problem with no part in its solution.

WITHOUT radical change I am of the opinion that a vote or any support for UKIP is an act of treachery in betrayal of these United Kingdoms and its values and liberty.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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#0637* – Derek HUNNIKIN a UKIP SE Branch Official of Long Standing Comments!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/08/2011

#0637* – Derek HUNNIKIN a UKIP SE Branch Official of Long Standing Comments!

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~Derek HUNNIKIN a UKIP SE Branch Official of Long Standing Comments!

He is relatively well informed though adrift upon some of the less relevant details!

Read & decide for yourself what YOU think!

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UKIP members and supporters including commentators who support UKIP and seek to see it cleaned up to make it electable by informed people of morality and ethics should view and read in detail this commentary by a UKIP Party Committee member in Farage’s private fiefdom in the South East:

Do Circulate:
Derek HUNNIKIN – Resignation Letter & Call for Farage to Resign

Do See Also:
ONE MAN’S SABOTAGE OF A NOBLE CAUSE by Derek HUNNIKIN

Also See:
THE ASHFORD CENTRE by Derek HUNNEKIN

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