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#0669* – More Lies on Anthony BUTCHER’s UKIP Forum!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/10/2011

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#0669* – More Lies on Anthony BUTCHER’s UKIP Forum!

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I know that it is to be expected that Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled Forum is prone to publishing outright dishonesty but it was surprising to see this garbage from the particular poster as his comments are usually quite sound.

I presume he is regurgitating some piece of propaganda he has been fed!

The Sunday Times has been vehemently anti-UKIP for years, and my thoughts go back to Nov. 2009, when Daniel Foggo recycled some long-slayed rubbish about Mike Nattrass, for no seeming reason other than space-filling. A subsequent OLAF investigation completely cleared him.

To view the original comment on The corrupt & dishonest UKIP Controlled Forum CLICK HERE

Let us consider this in detail:

The Sunday Times has been vehemently anti-UKIP for years,

I very much doubt that one shred of evidence can be provided to back this statement – I believe that it is completely groundless, and maybe an appologia for the fact that UKIP get very little coverage in serious papers as they have achieved so very little having only managed to win less than 30 elected seats out of the 19,500 available in British politics in 20 years!

UKIP are hardly news worthy except when they do something of some note! Mostly exemplared by childish stunts, fraud, drunken dishonesty or stupidity, racism, xenophobia, anti homosexuality or support for violence and the behaviour of Anders Breivik whom their group praised!

and my thoughts go back to Nov. 2009,

The comment does indeed indicate lobotomy!

when Daniel Foggo recycled some long-slayed rubbish about Mike Nattrass,

Presumably this article:

The link to The Sunday Times is: CLICK HERE
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UKIP MEP Michael Nattrass in expenses fraud inquiry

An MEP for the United Kingdom Independence party is being investigated by the European Union’s anti-fraud watchdog over his use of expenses.
Michael Nattrass, who has represented the West Midlands in the European parliament since 2004, is the subject of an inquiry into whether Denis Brookes, one of his former aides, was paid through public funds while he was working as a regional organiser for UKIP. The EU does not allow taxpayers’ money to be used to pay party officials.
The inquiry into Nattrass, which is part of a wider investigation into UKIP’s finances, comes as one of its former MEPs, Tom Wise, was jailed last week for two years for embezzling funds out of his assistant’s allowance.
Separately, it has also emerged that Nattrass was using a business of which he was an equity partner as the “paying agent” for all his assistants’ salaries provided by the EU.
Between 2004 and summer this year, all of his assistants’ allowances were channelled through the business account of Nattrass Giles, a chartered surveyors in Birmingham which he founded nearly 30 years ago.
Nattrass was a signatory to the bank account, although he insisted last night that the administration was handled by another partner in the firm who has since died.
MEPs must not act as their own paying agents. The role can only be performed by “third parties”.
New rules brought in since July this year have further tightened the controls and MEPs can now only use accredited people or companies as paying agents.
Nattrass said he had been told by EU officials that he could use his Birmingham company.

He also insisted that Brookes had worked for him in his capacity as an MEP until his employment as an aide came to an end three years ago.

The article was of course 100% true and directly based on comments made by OLAF at the time.

for no seeming reason other than space-filling.

Yes indeed responsible journalists working on responsible newspapers use NEWS as space fillers to produce what is called a ‘News Paper’.

A subsequent OLAF investigation completely cleared him.

I am unaware of any subsequent OLAF investigation ever being made into Mike Nattrass – perhaps the author might care to publish the details of said ‘Subsequent’ investigation.

I am aware that the investigation into Mike Nattrass and Graham Booth to which Daniel Foggo referred in his article was ongoing when the article was written in that OLAF had NOT published its outcome.

Interestingly, although Mike Nattrass made much huff and puff about the article and risibly tried to claim it was the reason he was not elected leader – firstly that Mike having taken most of the summer off in his villa in Portugal had then gone, when the EU pretend parliament resat, had gone on holiday to The Phillipines to visit his daughter. His absence and the fact that he had done so very little clearly had much to do with him being little more than a joke candidate for leader of UKIP but then again weren’t they all a joke!

The investigation when it was concluded showed beyond all reasonable doubt that Mike Nattrass’ claims regarding Daniel Foggo’s article were ungrounded.

Graham Booth was found guilty by the investigation and ordered to repay a substantial amount of money he had fraudulently obtained and the FoI made it clear, or so it seemed to me, that it did not exhonourate Mike Nattrass but clearly stated that it was taking no further action against him.

Some, who have NOT been lobotomised, may remember the pack of lies published by Mark Croucher on The UKIP web site regarding the article written by Daniel Foggo regarding Roger Knapman and his people traffiking business and importing Polish labour to undercut local labour working on his house at:

Coryton House,
Coryton,
Oakhampton,
DEVON,
EX20 4PA

Some will remember the lies from UKIP written by Mark Croucher in the complaint to The Press Complaints Commission which were totally rejected and the substance of Daniel Foggo’s article was proven and upheld!

Others will remember the competence of the reporting by Daniel Foggo with regard to the fraud claims regarding Lindsay Jenkins and Tom Wise and the amount of deceit produced by Nigel Farage, Douglas Denny, Bob Feel Martinis, Mick McGough and others in trying to cover-up the fraud. Many will remember the Courts decided to take no further action against Lindsay Jenkins when Tom Wise finally realised he was not going to get away with it and mid case changed his plea to guilty and was sentenced to 2 years in prison.

You may also remember that it was Daniel Foggo who exposed the facts and let UKIP members and MEP colleagues know that Nigel Farage was paying his wife £30,000 a year yet no one could be identified in his office who could show any work she did for The EU or for UKIP.

You may also remember that on a Saturday, based upon seemingly sound information received from a member of UKIP and subsequently outline confirmed by a third party in The EU Daniel Foggo rang Nigel Farage for a comment on the fact that he had been informed that Nigel Farage was paying his son also. Nigel Farage was not only unable to deny this but also refused!

Having already shown that Nigel Farage was in breech of his undertakings to UKIP and the electorate as he was paying his wife, which I understand he does to this day, despite the fact that at the time no meaningful work that she did could be identified. On the Tuesday although Farage had failed to deny he paid his son there was no paper trail to show he did and the paper paid a tokenry amount of damages to Farage.

I have not checked but presumably Farage still pays his wife which makes his claim of being broke all the more risible and one wonders why with Steve Harris already on his staff he felt it apposite that the pensioners and patriots who support UKIP should be asked to fund a chauffeur for him as granted by UKIP NEC we understand!

We also hear that despite the large income he and his wife make out of UKIP and the various fiddles he has boasted of, running to £Millions it is claimed his life style is so profligate and ill managed that he claims to have had to remortgage his house – it was as I recall an error made by his father who was similarly a showman, drinker and professional gambler as a stock broker.

Perhaps in view of the FACTS the UKIP controlled forum might care to revert to the truth for a change! Though it is unlikely as it is a rats nest of cowardly sock puppets acting in support of Nigel Farage and greatly to the downfall of UKIP.

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Steve MORSON’S abusive apologia has been added 05-Oct-2011 02:12hrs.
FIRSTLY for the record I stand by every word of my statement above and not one item has Steve Morson provided a fact to negate just some self indulgent whining!

Poor Old Steve Morson seems not to have been able to help himself but to respond in an effort to justify himself and here it is – posted on Butcher’s UKIP controlled Forum at 17:49hrs yesterday (04-Oct). I would have replied earlier but have been out with close friends for dinner.

I am a tad busy at the moment.

Clearly he had no new facts to present so in UKIP style he fell back on being gratuitously offensive and childish:

Quote Originally Posted by Steve Morson View Post
I agree on the editorship – under Max Hastings it was a magnificent newspaper. The Sunday Times has been vehemently anti-UKIP for years, and my thoughts go back to Nov. 2009, when Daniel Foggo recycled some long-slayed rubbish about Mike Nattrass, for no seeming reason other than space-filling. A subsequent OLAF investigation completely cleared him…

Farbeit from me to reply to my own posts, but I see the pony-tailed uber-miserablist in Chepstow (barred from this forum!)

Indeed I still have a pony tail which makes it almost 30 years – so what?
Yes I was banned from Butcher’s dishonest and corrupt forum based upon a pack of lies from Paul Nuttall which neither he nor little Anthony Butcher could substantiate – I was in fact banned for telling the truth and challenging the dishonesty and corruption of UKIP – A fact of which I am rather proud when you note the damage UKIP has done to these United Kingdoms, in supporting fraud and EU institutions.

You will note that one of the items was telling the truth about Tom Wise who then went to prison another was telling the truth about David Bannerman who has recently proved me right on all counts.

Have YOU ever done anything worthwhile politically? Have you made any efforts to expose corruption or theft from the public purse? Have you ever done ANYTHING that justifies your dishonesty?

has used this post for his bog (sic).

If it goes down well with the children in your playground to make such childish remarks do be my guest – often people whistle when frightened of the dark or name call to belittle those they fear.

He doesn’t approve of dissenting, exculpatory or contrary views on it, so I resort to this.

Invent what you like if it makes you feel important – though I do understand your feelings of inadequacy they are well earned.


When we spoke (earlier this year), he was an engaging cove, belying the reputation he’d garnered as Satan’s right-hand man.

Then he goes and writes that $**t on his bog today. Well, it seems there are lies, damn lies, statistics, and what GL-W writes, now!

 Sadly poor Steve can only resort to defamatory name calling as he lacks a single fact to present to back his childish behaviour.

What the cerebrally-deficient Monmouthshire resident doesn’t seem to have realised is that I was working for Mike Nattrass MEP in his office at the time

Of course I was aware of that as you have discussed it with me and how that was the only work you had had for some time – it is very childish of you to try desperately to seem intelligent using long words but without evidence or support for your use of Roget’s you just seem foolish.

1) the article I mentioned was published,

Indeed it was as I showed.

2) The OLAF investigation was launched and

The OLAF inquiry was under way when the article was published and had NOT published a result.

3) I was shown the subsequent letter clearing him. If anyone thinks they can trump that in terms of veracity, I’d like to see it!

I believe you will find the FoI and the Sunday Times lawyers more than adequately trumped that!
You will be aware being so in contact!!!! Mike Nattrass spent a considerable amount of money on lawyers seeking an apology from The Sunday Times but I gather he has recently dropped his claim – no doubt in the realisation that his claim was not valid and no apology was either apposite or forthcoming for the veracity of The Sunday Times article by Daniel Foggo.

(And by the way, a lobotomy was performed by cutting nerve fibres connecting either the prefrontal or frontal lobe of the brain with the thalamus, the areas of the brain involved with emotion. Modern psychotropic drugs obviate the need for such invasive and harrowing surgery. I’m not on those. Are you competing with Mr. Nuttall in an internet debating contest!?)

Try not to be childish – in the context it is well understood what was meant by any adult used to conversation.

I am well aware that your internet search will show the detailed medical deffinition but this is not a childish competition for show offs or you might have actually copied the information correctly, which it seems you did not – do check you’ll find it explained on the internet and where it seems you went wrong – such inaccuracy of transcription and self dellusion may explain why you have so much time on your hands!

I have a great deal of time on mine as I am largely housebound and also sleep little as we have discussed before you lost your confidence – this as you allude later on is due to the various treatments and sideffects of my cancer.

You seem to have plenty of time on your hands, Greg. Maybe trawling the Sunday Times archive for a piece even slightly flattering to UKIP is something you could take up, to counterpoint me?

There have been many very EUroSceptic articles in The Sunday Times by journalists such as Rob Watts, Marie Wolf, Daniel Foggo and others but true UKIP has indeed earned very little publicity and most that it has earned has been bad – as with the many and varied OLAF inquiries – The fraud for which on UKIP MEP went to prison for 2 years, the article regarding People traffiking and under cutting British tradesmen was I believe you will find also by Daniel Foggo and so was the expose of Tom Wise’s criminality though in The Sunday Telegraph as I recall where Rob Watts wrote a large spread damning Farage with faint praise.

Perhaps you could identify something UKIP has actually achieved – beyond childish name calling which sadly you seem to have assimilated – lost Court cases, criminality, bullying and abuse of members and others, employing thieves and liars, consorting with racist extremists as partners who are anti Jewish, xenophobic, advocate violence are anti homosexual and include holocaust deniers and supporters of Anders Breivik.

Just what has UKIP EVER achieved that could be considered laudable and news worthy to Sunday Times readers?

They have a paywall now. And I’m busy!

Going through the motions of self justification is likely to keep you busy for a long time yet precluding the ability to fund a pay wall I presume.

Hope you’re keeping as well as can be, and that the chemo is working a storm. Steve

Indeed after 13 years of cancer, major surgery numerous small operations and this year 3 months of chem and 20 hits of radiation – all of which you can read about on my healt6h blog if you have a friend or family member who may need support – I am pleased to say I am considered remarkably fit and am inordinately pleased to have not lost my hair having had it long ever since the days of 3 haircuts in a day whilst in the army.

Of course with the parlous state of my cancer who knows what tomorrow may bring but depression and misery, inadequacy and underconfidence are not on my menue though I can surely empathise with you though I fail to see how demeaning yourself with childish name calling can be seen to raise your obviously low self esteem.

Never mind I guess you earned it. If it makes you feel better by all means invent anything you like to bolster your confidence.
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#0380* – Further Thoughts on Scoundrels In Politics re: Tom WISE & UKIP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/03/2011

#0380* – Further Thoughts on Scoundrels In Politics re: Tom WISE & UKIP
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Further Thoughts on Scoundrels In Politics re: Tom WISE & UKIP + others!
We MUST Help The Genuine LEAKS Like Nikki’s Leaks that have created so much publicity!

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I wonder what YOU believe should have been done regarding Tom Wise who fought against his case and was supported by Nigel Farage MEP who took no meaningfull action against him save accept around £5,000 of the stolen money to settle one of his own bills and also by officials of UKIP like Douglas Denny, Roger Helmer MEP, Mick McGough, Trevor Colman MEP, Brendan Padmore, Gerard Batten MEP, Mike Nattrass MEP, and others who fought every inch of the way to protect Tom Wise although it was clear he was a criminal.

Then consider having only paid back part of the money he stole and having held onto his grossly overpaid job after his brief stay at Ford Open Prison he now draws his full MEP Pension and also his secondary pension which is provided by a neo fraudullent route and is paid into from expenses in the main by almost every MEP which accrues a bonus pension pot of around £250,000 on top of the basic pension!

Then of course there would seem to have been around 1,000 bottles of good wine to tide him over, gained through yet another apparent scam as a UKIP MEP.

It has even been mooted that Tom Wise should receive a Royal Pardon as it was unfair that he was prosecuted for his thef because all the others are doing the same in scams and fiddles – If this is the case then I wish The Insight Team in The Sunday Times good fortune tomorrow and I understand there will be more well placed ‘leaks’ the week after!

It is time that politics was thoroughly overhauled and what better incentive than the austerity foist upon the people by the utter incompetence of The Political self styled elite.

That we will be Better-Off-Out relative to membership of The EU is a given but we MUST lend all the support we can to MEPs like Nikki Sinclaire who are doing all they can to expose the corruption in The EU.

Interestingly her exposures to dater are plastered across the media of The EU with 4 papers in Romania in one day carrying her stories – well done to journalists like the Insight Team, The Sunday Times, Marie Woolf, Daniel Foggo, Rob Watts, Jon Gaunt, Richard Littlejohn who relentlessly try to expose this filth.

Much of the work collapses due to either editorial partisanship or the belief the public don’t care – this being shown by the fact that the stories The Insight Team exposed, the story of rotting scanners, the story of MEP Boob Jobs, bum lifts and Viagra, cash for legislation and much more have not caught hol;d in Britain but have led to MEP resignations and headlines all around the balance of The EU.

There are still Newspapers (something of an oxymoron in this case) like The Guardian that are funded to put before the public a corrupt political line and propaganda amounting to lies as with such pond life as Polly Toynbee but then again there are few papers – even such toilet paper, that can afford a £171 Million loss just to peddle their crass ideology.

Let us hope it is not long before the general public cease to idiotically be manipulated and duped by the left wing self serving nutters and their thirst for anarchic violence rather than the democratic principle that so recently exposed them for the filth they are leaving them after 13 unlucky years handing over the £4.8 Trillion debt and daily interest repayments of £120 Million.

Let us have an end to this neo communist farce with its all too typical neo communist politicians feathering their own nests in socialist style at the expense of those who provide that wealth namely the working people of these United Kingdoms and their Non Government, private sector employers – as clearly no Government in history has been a wealth producer but there are those that can act as facilitators for creating greater wealth and thus providing better services rather than bigger debts, which has been proven even idiots can create!

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#0219* – Skeptyk, Filth, The Forum, contempt, cowardice. – UKIP, Farage & Anna Lindh

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/12/2010

#0219* – Skeptyk, Filth, The Forum, contempt, cowardice. – UKIP, Farage & Anna Lindh!  

PLEASE NOTE: This is a blog entry re Anna Lindh’s tragic death 7 years ago, it is mostly copied from CLICK HERE which I shall endeavour to reasonably update and correct.



The aim was to give an outline of factual information, not a forensic accounting, that would help people understand the funadamental dishonesty of those cowards who see fit to shelter their misrepresentation of this matter behind cowardly anonymity – seemingly in attempts to TRY 7 years after the event to distort and defame, exploiting her tragic death duplicitously and dishonestly, as a weapon to beat others.

As many have discovered the leadership and those feeding at the table of UKIP are largely utterly and undeniably corrupt, beset with outright liars and efforts to protect them by funded filth that prostitute integrity to that end.

I appreciate that filth like Mark Croucher, Douglas Denny, Mike McGough and Skeptyk are too stupid to understand integrity, morality or duty and endlessly drag UKIP’s reputation into the gutter they inhabit – showing the depravity of the comments they are willing to make to desperately TRY to defame me and others.
To date – all they have achieved is to show the public yet more reasons not to vote for UKIP under its present leadership.
 
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Is it any wonder that the cowards and pond life on Anthony Butcher’s squalid little Forum tend to hide behind false names or silly constructs to dissemble and lie!

Well now we KNOW that ex-member in Nigel Farage!

Thanks for the phone call to tell me the slime were making fools of themselves inventing fantasies about me, and spreading lies as ever – no wonder filth like Skeptyk, Baron, Independent UKIP and now quite clearly Farage masquerading as ex-member, because I KNOW ex-member isn’t me and so the only person who could KNOW Farage leaked FACTS to me was Farage is in fact FARAGE – quite clever really because my sources managed to hide that fact from me and even I didn’t KNOW!

Is it any wonder these low lifes and their mates are too ashamed to use their own names, understandably the likes of Denny, Croucher, McGough and those actually using their own names to lie, slander, libel and defame with their fantasies and deliberate dishonesty clearly have no reputation worth supporting or defending and are happy to be shown as dishonest and dishonourable.

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A measure of the general dishonesty of those writing as Skeptyk too ashamed to put their name to the pack of lies they so often publish is that yet again they dishonestly misrepresent the tragic death of the Swedish Minister Anna Lindh, and my comments on the subject at the time when clearly they will have read the facts they dishonestly choose to be selective to try to present a completely false picture.



Be assured that, as has been shown repeatedly, neither the award winning leading investigative journalist Daniel Foggo on the front page of The Sunday Telegraph, nor I, did anything but tell the truth based upon the facts available to us. 

That this nasty little worm skeptyk yet again chooses to lie is no surprise. They have NEVER been able to show a single instance where I misrepresented a single FACT in a dishonest way and unable to refute the truth they resort to the cowards solution of sheltering behind anonymity and attacking the messenger – just how low will they sink in their gutter!

UKIP leadership may well be weak, useless, incompetent drunkards of no morality or gravitas but in fact it is the filth they have gathered around them forming the dung heap from the top of which they crow that do the most damage and provide the most ammunition for The EU. Filth like those I have named – none of whom does one ever see letters, eMails, articles, blogs or even entries on reputable Forums addressing the EU – they are all but invisible in the battle against membership of The EU, as are the mouthy dishonest liars like Stuart Parr and wee Farage’s children’s club of childish fans, ranging in age from 15-75!

Is there anyone left in UKIP who is not so tainted by association with these filth and with membership of The EFD and the endless scrabbling for personal gain – whether as a liar like Bannerman or Andreasen, a thief and a fraud like Agnew or Bannerman, a spineless self server like Coleman or Buffton, a fool like Bloom or Legge, a self serving venal twerp like Nuttal or Clark,l or an insecure strutting barrow boy like Farage capitalising as a schpieler.

At least Nattrass & Sinclaire had the morality to disassociate themselves from the filth in the dung heap and the vile chums of those on it!

Full marks to Sinclaire who is the ONLY UKIP MEP not just filling her bank account and actually trying her best, whilst under attack from the filth left in UKIP, to serve both her electorate and her Country – more visible to the public than the rest put together as she tries to acquit her constituency duties – fronts the defence against the invasion of Gypsies and land grabbers who quite openly flout planning laws and her Petition for an IN/OUT EU Referendum has been a tremendous achievement as she has funded it herself and driven it forward and even this the filth in UKIP attack as they have absolutely no interest visible in leaving The EU but a huge interest in protecting their income stream and status.

I’m glad of the occasional phonecall to tell me when the vile fools on Butcher’s forum say something of note – they may say what they like about me as everyone knows they are liars and I am not remotely important – I am not asking them to vote for me, I have absolutely no intertest in being a politician or joining ANY party.

A measure of the stupidity of the forum is that they make it very clear they can not refute a word I publish, they can not show a single solitary instance in 1,000s of blogs, 1,000s of forum postings and 1,000s of eMails plus 100s of pages of printed hand outs NOT ONE WORD can they show to be materially untrue, not one word is a lie, not one word is deliberately placed to mislead – they are so bereft of argument that they resort to attacking the messenger.

Yes I stated that I believe elected politicians who betray their Country are committing an act of treason and should face due provcess and even execution if the treason is grave. Yes I commented that I was glad to see someone standing up for their Country and its currency when the BBC announced that a Swedish politician had been attacked by a no campaigner in a shopping mall, in the belief that it was of the style of egg or tomato throwing.

YES I stood by my comment even when the BBC were still claiming it was a No Protester and the politician had died as morally violence in politics must accept the consequences of its action – I am tragicly sorry for her family and Swedish politics that she died and I do not accept murder by anyone be it a protester or the police.

I stood by my comment for several reasons – one that her death WAS a tragedy but an unexpected consequence of mild violence as the BBC was reporting it and I had unwisely endorsed that violence as reported and as I understood it – just as if you hit someone in self defence you MUST accept the consequences if you find they have an annurism of which neither you nor they know and it leads to a burst and death.

It being the run up to Christmas did someone in the US State department walk up to their old friend Richard Holbrook and give him a friendly bear hug that triggered his aeurtal annurism?

Finally as Skeptyk and all other informed individual NOW know the Swedish authorities and the BBC were seemingly deliberately misleading the public and it was not until AFTER the polls closed in Sweden that they let it be known that the unacceptable assault on Anna Lindh was NOT made by a NO Campaigner in their vote of destroying Swedish banking and The Kronner but was in fact a Sammi dissident in protest at the betrayal of The Sammi peoples by Anna Lindh.

I stood by the comment also based on the assurance that it would feature the fact of opposition to the EUro and loss of National identity, sovereignty and economic control on the front page of a major British broadsheet for the first time – which it did and there it has remained. If that means scum like Septic endlessly try to make their sad attacks frankly the damage done to The EU’s scams was well worth it – the issue was brought to the front page!

You may criticise the method but the sacrifice to achieve it was me and I consider my Country and liberty more important  and definitely more important than the views or opinions of cowards and filth like Skeptyk.

Keep shooting the messenger please it has no effect on me but it raises the profile of the FACTS I publish!

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OK I’ve referred back to previous information and it is the time line that is all important in this story so pin back your ears skeptyk because I’ll say this only once!

1.Day one Friday the BBC announce that while Anna Lindh was campaigning to scrap the Krona for the Euro she was attacked by a no campaigner. NO more deatils were given as at that stage none were known.

2. Based on this information alone GLW comments that it was good to hear that at last somebody was prepared to stand up for their currency and included this comment in a long e-mail about countries having to give up their currencies for the Euro.

3. Foggo reacts to GLW’s e-mail and feels this would make a good story. He agrees for it to be on page 3 with a further supportive article near the middle of the paper by another jounalist. The article was to include a quote form GLW saying something like “Politicians who betray their country after DUE PROCESS should be executed.”

4. Day two Saturday – Foggo informs GLW that she has died from a stab wound. GLW had no idea she had been stabbed and thought she had had an egg thrown at or something.

5.Day three Sunday the article is run but the sub-editor to ‘spice it up’ leaves out from GLW’s quote the words DUE PROCESS.

6.Foggo rings GLW to offer an apology which he says will be printed next week but GLW declines this offer feeling an apology buried deep in the paper is hardly worth it. He now admits he stupidly made a mistake not to accept the apology.

7. Protestor turns out to be a Sami from Lapland and not a No campaigner who atacked Anna Lindh for her bretrayal of the Sami’s for selling off their land to logging companies and mining interests.

So IMO not the best bit of PR GLW has ever had given people’s abiltiy to only see or hear what they want to but the over riding issue still is not the man but his ball.

Has GLW ever said anything about UKIP which is not true?

Last edited by Niall Warry; Today at 05:08 PM.


FOR THE RECORD ADDED 23:57hrs.

here is the article from The Sunday Telegraph 7 years ago & for the record:

Eurosceptic hails Lindh murder

A prominent British Eurosceptic has described the murder of the Swedish foreign minister Anna Lindh as the act of a “patriot” and called upon other anti-euro campaigners to be prepared to take similar action against government figures here.
Police are investigating whether Greg Lance-Watkins, who runs EuroRealist, an internet site which is virulently against Britain’s membership of the EU, has acted illegally.
Ms Lindh, 46, a leading proponent of the pro-euro campaign in Sweden which culminates today in a referendum on whether to join the currency, was stabbed by an unknown assailant four days ago. Mr Lance-Watkins has issued a statement welcoming the attack on Ms Lindh.
He calls British ministers “traitors” for signing away the UK’s sovereignty and says they should be tried for treason.
In e-mails sent to a variety of organisations, he said: “I do hope there will be patriots in Britain with the courage to deal with traitors that has been shown in Sweden.
“If our corrupt politicians force us to take the same route to defend our economy and country . . . then I suggest the first patriot to take direct action is remembered by putting his or her statue on the remaining plinth in Trafalgar Square.” A spokesman for Gwent Police said: “We will look at these e-mails to see if there is anything of a criminal nature.”
Last night Mr Lance-Watkins stood by his comments. “Yes, I do support the execution of elected politicians when they seek to betray the electorate and their country,” he said.

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Eurosceptic hails Lindh murder

Title written NOT by Daniel Foggo but by sub editor for front page attention. AFTER DF had left for the weekend.

Do NOTE the time & date DF filed HIS story – one minute past midnight on Saturday morning.

A prominent British Eurosceptic has described the murder of the Swedish foreign minister Anna Lindh as the act of a “patriot” and called upon other anti-euro campaigners to be prepared to take similar action against government figures here.

My statement to DF was regarding the attack as reported by the BBC as I had received the information originally – The BBC stated the Minister had been attacked by a No Campaigner on the Wednesday evening with no further relevant details.

Police are investigating whether Greg Lance-Watkins, who runs EuroRealist, an internet site which is virulently against Britain’s membership of the EU, has acted illegally.

As was obvious to them some low life mischief maker had phoned the Police relative to my eMail – of course no meaningful investigation took place and the malicious phonecall was ignored – I personally checked with the police at the time.

Ms Lindh, 46, a leading proponent of the pro-euro campaign in Sweden which culminates today in a referendum on whether to join the currency, was stabbed by an unknown assailant four days ago.

The assailant was I understand known to the police in Sweden as a Sammi dissident and was I understand arrested on the day of the attack.

Interestingly neither Daniel Foggo nor I were aware of any mention of any other culprit until AFTER the polls closed in the surrender referendum and the line was maintained by the Swedish Government and I understand The BBC that the attack was by a No Campaigner seemingly for the sympathy vote for the betrayal of Sweden.

Mr Lance-Watkins has issued a statement welcoming the attack on Ms Lindh.

CORRECT – when aware that an attack had taken place I was under the impression from the BBC reports that the equivalent of someone throwing an egg at her had occurred and it was not until Daniel phoned me, on, as I recall, the Friday that I became aware of the severity of the assault.

He calls British ministers “traitors” for signing away the UK’s sovereignty and says they should be tried for treason.

CORRECT – I stand by this statement and British politicians and their political class and apparatchiks have dishonestly and unlawfully betrayed the peoples and Country of Britain in clear and irrefutable betrayal of The British Constitution as in Magna Carta and every single amendment allowable or made to it since.

In e-mails sent to a variety of organisations, he said: “I do hope there will be patriots in Britain with the courage to deal with traitors that has been shown in Sweden.

CORRECT – And so I do to this day in the context of the severity of the attack as and when I made the comment based upon the reporting and style of report of the BBC radio at the time (I do not have a TV nor have I had for 15 years). 

“If our corrupt politicians force us to take the same route to defend our economy and country . . . then I suggest the first patriot to take direct action is remembered by putting his or her statue on the remaining plinth in Trafalgar Square.”

I believe this to be a good and effective use of the 4th. plinth most other statuary in London is of honourable men and women who defended these United Kingdoms, minded that no serious crime was involved in the defence of our currency and peoples.

A spokesman for Gwent Police said: “We will look at these e-mails to see if there is anything of a criminal nature.”

You will note the comment ‘IF’ and the fact that he is commenting relative to ‘e’Mails written in the clear belief that no injury of note had been caused as per the BBC reports at the time.

Last night Mr Lance-Watkins stood by his comments. “Yes, I do support the execution of elected politicians when they seek to betray the electorate and their country,” he said.

CORRECT – Minded of the use of the word ‘execution’ which would clearly have a legal connotation and be the outcome of due process for treason which was unlawfully set aside by politicians to prevent them from this risk of due process – it will be noted the majority of the public believe it is the duty of the state to protect the innocent mebers of the state and the country by Judicious use of a death penalty.

Anna Lindh was, with the benefit of hindsight, fatally stabbed during the afternoon of Wednesday 10-Sep-2010.

I issued my ‘e’Mail based upon the BBC news report that gave absolutely no indication it was a severe attack on the evening of 10-Sep-2010

I became aware that Anna Lindh had tragically died on Friday the 12-Sept-2010 when Daniel Foggo phoned to tell me and offered to pull the article. I understand the BBC announced the tragic death of Anna Lindh late on Thursday 11-Sept-2010 long after strenuous efforts were made, involving near constant transfussion and well over 9 hours of surgery time. There had been a period when they thought they had saved her life and she rallied only subsequently to require further surgery and I understand she died in surgery.

These details were given to me by two of the 3 Swedish Newspapers that phoned me 2 on the Sunday and one on the Monday – All three journalists considered, in the light of the facts, that it was an understandable error leading to a non story. They also informed me that even most of the media in Sweden were led to believe that the assailant was a No Campaigner until deadlines had passed for the closing of the ballot!

Two of the journalists said they knew and were in touch with the family and when asked to pass on my condollences personally assured me they would. On the Monday a phone call was made by an official from Sweden who thanked me for the condollences as they had been passed on to the family and explained the Swedish authorities had no interest in the report and understood the time lines.

The outcome and reasoning was as published above. Daniel Foggo brought the article up to date with wording he read to me on Saturday afternoon 13-Sep-2010.

The sub editor appended the sensationalist headline beyond the control of Daniel Foggo and made what he considered suitable minor alterations.

I have heard absolutely nothing further of this matter other than when the corrupt and dishonest seek to make capital out of selective representation in what is clearly a dishonest and cowardly way – all too often sheltering their dishonourable behaviour behind anonymity knowing that their reprehensible behaviour at the time, let alone seven years later brings shame on their identity which they thus hide.

I expect filth who can not honourably deal with the truth I publish on this and utter matters will seek out any filth they can concoct to try to defame the messenger – they seem not to be bright enough to realise the harm it does them each time as they wriggle and wheedle to make an issue of an event with absolutely no relevance to the facts they can not dispel.

Any individual of any morality or integrity will be aware that to attack the messenger in default of the message – the man instead of the ball – demeans the attacker and strenthens the message – those witjh an ability to lead evidence to overturn information are in the main respected but those who lead no consequential material in an attack on the man rather than the ball are rightly held in contempt by honourable men and women.

Failure to show that I have EVER deliberately and wittingly lied or misled whilst too cowardly to put their name to their attacks shows the depths to which such filth will sink in defence of their income or status.

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Black Ukip executive receives death threat – TIMES ONLINE – Del YOUNG Daniel FOGGO

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 19/01/2008

Black Ukip executive receives death threat – TIMES ONLINE – Del YOUNG Daniel FOGGO

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!  
The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, 
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19-Jan-2008 – TIMES ONLINE – “Black Ukip executive receives death threat
on: Del YOUNG – By: Daniel FOGGO!

January 19, 2008

Black Ukip executive receives death threat

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The only black executive within the UK Independence Party (Ukip) has received a telephone death threat in which several men threatened to kill him, allegedly on the orders of a senior executive of the party.
Leicestershire detectives are now investigating the threat against Delroy Young, which was left on his answerphone on Boxing Day night.
The revelation has shaken the party’s hierachy and comes nearly two years after David Cameron sparked a furious row by accusing Ukip of being full of “closet racists”, a charge Ukip denies.
Young, 40, who lives in Hinckley, is the only member of Ukip’s ruling national executive committee (NEC) who is not white.
He fell out with the party in November when he was removed from directing its youth wing, although he remains on the 12-strong NEC. He said he had been sacked, while Ukip insists he resigned.
In the message the voices of three men and a woman can be heard issuing death threats to Young, a financial advisor. The voices said they were acting on the orders of a senior white Ukip official, who they named twice.
Young has reported the threat to the police who inquired as to whether he felt it to be racially motivated. It is believed, however, that the police are not currently treating it as a race crime.
It is understood they may have traced the mobile phone used to issue the threats to Australia.
A Ukip insider said: “This is causing the party hierachy a huge amount of embarrassment.”
Young, who was voted on to the Ukip NEC in 2006, had been put in charge of its section known as Youth Independence.
But after Young dismissed various members on the Youth Independence committee that he had organised, he found himself facing a series of accusations at a meeting of the NEC in November. Ukip later announced that Young had resigned from directing Independence Youth at the meeting.
However, he said in a letter to friends that the meeting was “more akin to a Soviet-style Politburo purge” and denied that he had resigned.
He wrote: “What followed I can only describe as an orchestrated denunciation which, among other things, included claims that I had criticised the Party leader.”
He denied the claims, but said that he was then sacked from running Independence Youth.
He wrote: “I said ‘If you are all going to sit here and believe these lies I might as well step down from this thing.’
“This was a comment which has obviously been cynically manipulated as a resignation in order to get rid of me.”
When contacted by the Sunday Times Young declined to comment on the telephone threat.
A Ukip spokesman said: “We are glad this has been reported to the police and hopefully they can track it to the people responsible.
“If they are members of the party or connected to it they won’t be for very long. But it is too far-fetched for words that someone senior in the party ordered anyone to do this.”
A spokesman for Leicestershire police said: “I can confirm we are investigating one report of harrassment at an address in Hinckley.”

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