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Extremists Seek To Corrupt Democratic Freedom

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/03/2013

Extremists Seek To Corrupt Democratic Freedom
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Extremists Seek To Corrupt Democratic Freedom as apparent Labour supporters carry out a vitriolic campaign against Freedom of Speech!
Prosecution by the thought police comes ever closer!

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Hi,
that there is no doubt that many in UKIP are racist and as a party their leadership do much to endorse racism, anti Judaism, anti Semitism in their Zionist opposition to Palestine and Palestinians, superstition based incitement to racial hatred, anti homosexuality and more – Under no circumstances should the right to Freedom of Speech be curtailed within the framework of the law.
The poster that extremists in Manchester are protesting at is in no way racist, it is a statement of factual opinion that seeks to limit immigration from the EU – immigration imposed upon Britain without any meaningfull democratic process by the dictatorial centerist agenda of The EU.Laws have been enacted against the interests of Britain that have led to an unprecedented invasion of Britain, unmatched in percentage terms even by conquest in our history.

Britain has never seen such a cultural invasion since 54BC when we were overun by the Roman army – even when Cnutt invaded or William The Bastard no similar percentage of aliens invaded with them!

Let us remember that the very people who are clamouring to impose their will and threatening to break the law by the use of vandalism and violence to force the removal of the awareness posters from UKIP, would be the first to protest their rights under The UN Charter which determines a fundamental human right to self determination – a concept totally ignored by the undemocratic EU whose imposed laws these extremists seek to uphold in contravention of both the basic right of Self Determination and of Freedom of Speech.

Do I agree with the overt racism and support for racists of UKIP and the answer is catagorically no and I find every aspect of the vile prejudice of Batten, Bloom, Pearson, Farage and their undeniable support for racism as repugnant – I see absolutely no acceptable reason to prostitute UKIP and the values of the British peoples to their level of extremism and support for extremists.

Support for The EFD & Bloom’s Pan EU Alliance is odious and unacceptable whilst Batten’s overt incitement to racial hatred and allegiance with the EDL and other extremists based only on his chosen superstitions is utterly repugnant – as is the Zionist extremism and anti foreigner behaviour and views of Malcolm Pearson, as featured in a double page media spead some time ago!

Let us hope that the advertising agency ‘Clear Channel’ has rather more morality and the ethics to stand their ground against the likes of the anti democratic blackmail of the odious campaigners against Freedom of Speech, Opinion and Thought as they have manifest in Manchester!

Free speech under threat as advertising company “agrees” to remove UKIP poster

Clear Channel, one of the largest advertising companies in the UK, has reportedly agreed to stifle free political expression by removing a UKIP poster

by The Commentator on 29 March 2013 20:03

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Just hours after a new UKIP poster ad was spotted in Levenshulme, Manchester, a trade unionist-led campaign to have the advertisement removed has apparently led to success, in what opponents have called “a sad day for freedom of speech”.

Campaigners online are boasting about the impending removal of a UK Independence Party poster positioned in “deep-red Labour territory”.

The poster which reads, “Stop Open Door EU Immigration: Enough’s Enough” has recently been posted in Levenshulme, an area of Manchester populated by around 12,000 people. Described as a ‘multi-ethnic’ area, Leveshulme has a significant immigrant population, with 2001 census figures showing a high Asian population, though little suggests a high EU-immigrant population.

The self-described trade unionist and socialist claiming responsibility for the campaign goes only by the name of “Sue” on Twitter. Her handle is BinTheConDems, a name suggesting the trashing of the Conservative (Con) and Liberal Democrat (Dems) coalition government in the UK.

Over the past few hours, “Sue” has called UKIP members “Nazis” and “racists”, and claimed that she and others, “Just got an ad company to take down a UKIP poster where we live. After mass emails and calls from community”.

At around 6pm, “Sue” tweeted, “Levenshulme email and phone call fast campaign means vile #UKIP poster being removed from high street.” 

Campaigners also threatened to vandalise the poster themselves if their demands weren’t met, with one, Rachamuffin, tweeting, “Which one of us has a ruddy big ladder. I’ve got paint and a head for heights!” While others continued, “Actually we don’t need a ladder, just a catapult and paint bombs”.

The story will cause great concern to freedom of speech campaigners as the targeting of a particular political party and a legitimate campaign runs contrary to freedom of expression in the UK. Political parties in the UK are not precluded from advertising on billboards, with the decision over content effectively being left to the company selling the advertising space, in this instance, Clear Channel. 

Clear Channel is one of the largest advertisement-space networks in the UK, boasting work with more than 300 local authorities in the UK and a workforce of over 5,000 internationally.

A UKIP spokesperson told The Commentator, “There is no evidence to support claims that Clear Channel have agreed to remove any posters. However, if it is true, and I hope it’s not, then bowing to extremist, censorious demands like this would make it a sad day for freedom of speech indeed.”

The row comes on the back of a spate of recent UKIP defections, and UKIP’s rise in national polls as of late. 

In November last year, a couple in Rotherham were reported to have been discriminated against when adopting a child because of their support for UKIP. The decision was branded by senior cabinet member Michael Gove MP as, “indefensible“.

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Updated – 21:58 29/03/13: Clear Channel has been in touch with The Commentator to state that no decision has yet been taken on the billboards, despite local campaigners stating the contrary. A Clear Channel spokesperson told The Commentator that the company will be reviewing complaints from both sides and taking a decision after the Bank Holiday weekend. 

Clear Channel’s Twitter account updated at 22:06: “We have received complaints regarding a UKIP poster in Levenshulme, Manchester. We are currently reviewing these complaints we will provide an update once the review has been completed.”

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PS: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ADDED ON THE 02-Apr-2013

Clear Channel. the agency concerned, having considered the views of complainants have seemingly upheld the British values of democracy and free speech  against the anti democratic attempt to bully and threaten made by extremists and have issued the following statement:

We understand that the issue of immigration is an emotive one, and also recognise that it is a legitimate topic for public debate.
In this instance, we believe that the poster is ASA compliant, and have decided that it will not be removed.

Personally I totally endorse their statement and abhor the efforts of extremists to suppress discussion and corrupt the democratic process.

Regards,

Greg_L-W.

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UKIP’s Racist credentials & anti democratic opinions …

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/03/2013

UKIP’s Racist credentials & anti democratic opinions …
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in reply to a comment on UKIP made by a comment poster on this web site at CLICK HERE I felt it apposite to state:
Hi,

having read your article on your blog your stance of somewhat loaded statistics seems more obsessed with race than that of the core grass roots members of UKIP.

To present numbers on a racial basis as a defence is clearly, in and of itself, racist.

Do be minded that an immigrant arriving here has not only not contributed to the system, but nor have their antecedents or. One must wonder at their reason for coming here and sadly all too often it is to avoid the mess their ancestors and associates have made of their own country!

I do feel that there is every reason to withhold benefits for a given period, until their long term commitment to contributing to Britain is ensured.

The open door policy forced on us by the laws made by our Parliament in The EU without care or democratic input of any validity is clearly unwise; as it puts undue strain on our basic resources, paid for by our own tax payers.

We have a shortage of jobs suitable to our own labour force in today’s market, as with housing that is suitable, and educational facilities are planned and funded in line with our own tax payers’ needs.

Our NHS is forced to expand for both immigrants and health tourists leaving insufficient funding for the levels of care selected by British tax payers, and insufficient surplus to train adequate doctors, nurses and other front line staff – thus resulting in our wholesale theft (by enticement) of the most valuable resources of third world economies in the importation of nurses, doctors and carers!

The levels of influx in percentage terms is unarguably disadvantageous to the indigenous population and its best interests and is altering the very culture and economy which the hoards of immigrants would seem initially to be attracted by.

It is bunkum to claim mass immigration enriches a country when all the evidence is to the contrary and even the Labour party now admits to its irresponsible governance in terms of immigrants – perhaps one day they will develope sufficient integrity to admit their catastrophic economic illiteracy and utterly corrupt engagement in war crimes and crimes against humanity as a result of the lies of their leadership!

No sir I do NOT concur your basic premise for your contentions, regarding immigrants on an uncontrolled basis as we currently see it!

That said having been a very active campaigner against racism and having liver in numerous countries around the world I am forced to wonder what your theioretical contentions are based upon in substance and experience – beyond childish and ill thought out jingo.

I did state earlier that I teust the fundamental grass root supporters of UKIP but please be assured I have little but contempt for the biggotry and self serving support of racism, xenophobia and outright prejudice of the most vile nature of UKIP’s leadership team and its chosen allies in The EU and thus some of its more extreme racist parasites such as Gerard Batten and his odious superstition which he deems license to befoul UKIP with in the nature of his publications against Muslims which I believe incline to incite racial hatred – nor the vile racism of Lord Pearson which likewise incline to incite racism nor the overt support of Zionists and thus their terrorist oppression of the peoples of Paleastine.

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Greg_L-W.

Interestingly in seeking the views of the extremist and anti democratic organisations who claim the right to IMPOSE their views & values on others, intimidating and blackmailing them to destroy the values of democracy I note the odious Hope Not Hate cult had this to say about Racism in UKIP:

HOPE not hate takes a position on UKIP

Monitor and oppose when necessary

Last Thursday HOPE not hate launched a consultation of our supporters asking their views about UKIP. This was done on the basis that whilst we absolutely believe UKIP not to be a fascist or even an ideologically racist party in terms of its leadership or constitution, there are significant questions to be asked regarding their recent rhetoric and campaign themes. HOPE not hate isn’t questioning that UKIP also very clearly operates within the British democratic tradition, nor are we trying to restrict free speech, rather we want to make sure that the public space for debate is a positive environment rather then one driven by hate.

On a personal level, I was unsure what the position of HOPE not hate should be. I appreciate the arguments both for and against a HOPE not hate intervention. Several of my colleagues and some of our close supporters have asked us in the last 6 months to take UKIP more seriously due to genuine and legitimate concerns about their international connections with the likes of the French Front National or the Italian Lega Nord.

There were even more concerns after the recent Eastleigh by-election and the totally exaggerated claims about the number of likely immigrants to be expected from Bulgaria and Romania in January 2014.

Research by Matthew Goodwin and Robert Ford showed that while UKIP is best known for it stance against membership of the European Union, its supporters were also hostile to immigration and multiculturalism more generally.

UKIP is a very different political party from the BNP but the drivers for its appeal is quite similar.

Others were fundamentally opposed to any HOPE not hate involvement in campaigns against UKIP, as being clearly out of our purview, but even they did question why Marine Le Pen chose to name check UKIP as her closet ally in the UK, when she spoke at Cambridge recently.

This is why we asked you all for your views. After all it is you that help fund our work, campaign with us in rain and snow and have helped us drive the BNP out of council chambers across the country. Fundamentally this should be your decision not mine.

The response has been incredible. Over 1200 people replied to our email within the first 48 hours and hundreds more gave us their views via Facebook, twitter and email. These numbers show the interest in this subject and justifies us asking the question in the first place.

There were a handful of abusive replies, mainly from UKIP supporters who were outraged at us raising the question, but overall the comments – both for and against – were passionate, measured and thoughtful.

In terms of a simple vote, our supporters back HOPE not hate campaigning against UKIP by a margin of just over two to one. 67% voted to campaign, while 33% said we should continue to ignore them.

However within the attached comments the position was much more nuanced. Many of those who believed that we should campaign against UKIP believed that we should just focus our efforts and resources on those people and campaigns which are very clearly racist and plainly unacceptable to HOPE not hate’s vision for a positive and diverse society rather than the party in its entirety.

There were others who voted no who said exactly the same.

Historically this approach is clearly in line with HOPE not hate’s tradition of exposing and highlighting the unacceptable extremists in all of the mainstream political parties. From the Conservative Party’s Monday Club, to last week’s revelation about Lord Ahmed’s antisemitism, HOPE not hate operates on a platform of zero tolerance towards political and cultural extremism. That means we believe we have a duty to expose any racist campaigns, comments or activities and where necessary run localised campaigns against specific candidates.

And this goes for UKIP too.

For now, and because of the nuanced comments you made, I don’t believe there is a clear mandate to run a national campaign against UKIP. However, we will monitor them more closely than we have done in the past, especially at a local level, and we will be prepared to speak out against them when we believe that they are deliberately stoking racism by telling lies about immigration or multiculturalism. We will also be prepared to run campaigns against individual candidates who put out racist leaflets or get involved in anti-Muslim campaigns. And we will do this as vigorously as we have opposed the BNP in the past.

We will review this position in November, six months out from the European Elections.

Following the launch of our consultation last week we have been invited to meet the leadership of UKIP. We immediately agreed and while we are keen to hear what they have to say we will also be outlining our position and the red lines between what we consider to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.

I will add one final thought of my own. As I have written several times on my blog in recent months, I am extremely worried about the shift in the tone of the debate on migration. This has largely been driven by some newspapers but also adopted eagerly by some politicians, including the leadership of UKIP. This has led to an increasingly hostile and toxic environment, both in the media and on the ground in local communities. My fear is that left unchecked this will only get worse. Next January, Romanians and Bulgarians will be allowed to work in the UK and with the European Elections only a few months away increasingly aggressive racist rhetoric will be ratcheted up even further. And, with mainstream political parties worried about UKIP coming first in the European Election, there will be a tendency to drift to the right themselves. HOPE not will oppose this and work with, where possible, and against, where necessary, any political party that seeks to play the race card.

I hope I can count on your continuing support for what will be a busy 15 months.

Nick Lowles

Following the theme of ‘Hope Not Hate’ who are so reknowned for their Hate & campaigning style  I tripped over the following article from Tales From The Borderland – though not the most reliable source as I have found based on the unsustainable and idiotic drivel they published about me some years ago – do read their opinion but based on experience may I suggest you check out any facts they present as they are on occasions strangers to the need for veracity in facts!

SUPPING WITH THE DEVIL?
HOPE NOT HATE & UKIP

Published on Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:47

SUPPING WITH THE DEVIL? UKIP & HOPE NOT HATE

By Larry O’Hara (with assistance from David Pegg & Heidi Svenson) 20/3/13

With wry amusement Notes From the Borderland (hereafter NFB) has watched closely recent public posturing by Hope Not Hate (hereafter HNH), purportedly triggered by ‘concern’ at racist trends within the UK Independence Party (hereafter UKIP), set in motion on their blog 14/3/13 and issue 7 of HNH magazine.   There is far more to this story than meets the eye, and NFB are happy to provide context, albeit partial, in that much detailed proof of our assertions lies in past issues of NFB magazine, namely: issue 4 (highlighting the secret state plot to undermine UKIP in 2000), issue 5 (reproducing in full the strategy document Nick Lowles of Hope Not Hate wrote for the European Movement), and issue 10 (detailing exactly how much HNH are in the pay of the current government, specifically the Department for Communities and Local Government).  To obtain these magazines, visit our sister-site www.borderlandmagazine.co.uk or alternatively click on the top-right of this site where it says ‘How To Buy NFB By Post/On-line’.  Nonetheless hopefully enough evidence is cited here to substantiate our argument that HNH are in no position to comment with either accuracy or good faith regarding any UKIP matter, and anti-racists within UKIP should give these shysters a wide berth.  A timely intervention, given HNH are to meet the UKIP leadership imminently.

After briefly looking at HNH’s stated motivation, we discuss HNH’s ‘dialogue’ with supporters, pointing to the absurdity of any pretence this is a genuine grass-roots organisation.  Next we probe HNH’s tendentious ‘History of UKIP’, and misrepresentation of what UKIP supporters actually believe.  Then, we look at two explanations for HNH dishonesty: first, the political past/ideology of head honcho Nick Lowles, and second, HNH’s position as hirelings of the DCLG, and therefore servants of the political establishment rocked by UKIP.  Finally, a few comments on what anti-racists in UKIP and elsewhere should, and should not, do.

(1) WHY ARE HNH CONCERNED?

The cat was let out of the bag right from the start: to quote HNH’s initial blog post “UKIP is surging in the polls and could well come first in next year’s European Elections.  How should HNH respond? Should we begin to oppose them or should we stick to extremist groups like the BNP?”[i].  In other words, it is UKIP’s electoral threat to the old order that bothers HNH, not their essential nature.  They claim “UKIP is increasingly taking an anti-immigrant tone and as anti-racists we cannot ignore that”[ii].  Yet twelve years ago Lowles said virtually the same thing “UKIP has swung to the right in the last two years…UKIP now represents a nationalist rump”[iii].  If this was true, or he really believed it to be so, HNH and the Searchlight organisation from which they sprang would have opposed UKIP consistently.  Yet they haven’t.  We are not talking about principles here: Lowles wouldn’t know what one was  The real motives for HNH’s opposition to UKIP I will return to, but suffice to say, anti-racism isn’t chief among them.

(2) A PSEUDO-CAMPAIGN?

HNH has no democratic structures whatsoever, and the mugs who give them money, even assuming the incessant online polls aren’t rigged, are ignored anyway.  This ‘consultation’ was meaningless like other fund-raising gimmicks that HNH presents as such.  Firstly, the question asked was skewed: with only two options, counterposing “campainging” (i.e. something active even if mis-spelt) to the negative phrase “just ignore them”.   There is no option for supporting UKIP in any form, therefore from the outset anti-racist UKIP sympathisers are excluded from participating as themselves.  Second, not only was the stated turnout/response pitifully low (“over 1200”) the results were discounted anyway.  For “67% voted to campaign, while 33% said we should continue to ignore them”[iv], yet apparently HNH are not going to campaign against UKIP, because, according to Lowles, “within the attached comments the position was much more nuanced”, consequently “because of the nuanced comments you made, I don’t believe there is a clear mandate to run a national campaign against UKIP.  However we will monitor them more closely”.  Yet 67% is a clearer mandate than any elected UK government has received this century, or last!  If Lowles had objected on the basis of turnout, fair enough, but this arrogant twerp is objecting ostensibly because of ‘nuances’, thereby discounting the very views he pretended to canvas.  Such disdain for the punters is, as we have shown in NFB 10 (p.64) integral to the HNH model of pseudo-participation.  Supporters don’t control policy, rather they are the object of endless marketing/fund-raising campaigns dressed up as participation: clicktivism.

(3) FALSIFYING HISTORY: UKIP AS PORTRAYED BY HNH

To encourage supporters to see things their way, HNH got erstwhile photographer Joe Mulhall to cobble together a distorted account, verging on the libellous[v].  He refers to leader Nigel Farage MEP having “admitted meeting Dr Mark Deavin (the BNP’s then head of research who had briefly infiltrated UKIP…at the latter’s request, to discuss his defection from UKIP to the BNP”.  Inasmuch as Deavin is described as infiltrator, not ‘defector’, Mulhall seems to imply the defection of Farage himself to the BNP was on the menu: or else he (Mulhall) is an illiterate idiot, the charitable view.  Wonder what Nigel makes of this?  Equally dishonest, UKIP founder Alan Sked (the real subject of the Farage/Deavin meeting) is given an easy ride, described as “alluding to the damaging revelation that a…close ally of his Mark Deavin, was actually a BNP infiltrator”.  This is not the half of it.  Firstly, it was Sked himself who introduced Deavin to the higher ranks of UKIP, without him even being a member.  Secondly, the whole murky business of Deavin’s involvement in UKIP, and the subsequent Cook Report documentary on the BNP/UKIP was one in which Searchlight themselves were intimately involved from start to finish.  While HNH have now split from Searchlight (in a deeply acrimonious dispute fully chronicled in NFB 10) they share both a common past and approach.  As argued in detail in NFB 4 (p.18-23), the Deavin affair, and the attempt to set up Nigel Farage by photographing him with both Deavin and Tony Lecomber of the BNP was orchestrated not so much by the BNP (as some believe)[vi] but by Searchlight (who Lowles worked for) themselves.  Deavin was in UKIP’s orbit before he was involved with the BNP, for instance.  Other fascists Mulhall mentions with past UKIP involvement have a more interesting past than he discloses, such as Trevor Agnew and Matt Single, both featured in NFB as acting in a way entirely consistent with them being in the orbit of both Special Branch and Searchlight[vii].  Is this the standard of research you get for one day a week’s work? Even if it is, Lowles knows Mulhall’s account is poor fiction, yet evidently approves it being on the site.

Aside from rewriting the past, HNH consciously misrepresent the views of UKIP supporters, by exaggerating differences between them and other voters.  To that end, research by Rob Ford of Manchester University is cited, along with that of Matthew Goodwin, to show how extreme/racist/supportive of violence UKIP supporters are.  These self-styled and lavishly-funded ‘anti-extremism’ experts we will deal with another time, suffice to say racist attitudes are very common in society at large—in 2010 the Citizenship Survey found that of 16,200 adults 76% wanted a reduction in immigration[viii].  An even larger YouGov poll for Channel 4 of 32,000 voters in May-June 2009 found that while 76% of UKIP voters saw immigration and asylum as one of the top 3-4 political issues, 58% of Tory voters and 46% of Labour’s wanted a halt to immigration[ix].  The real problem with racism therefore, is much broader than UKIP (or the BNP) and to single out UKIP supporters is misleading, intentionally so.  No more so than when castigating UKIP supporters for being “hostile to multiculturalism more generally”[x].  In a March 2011 Searchlight magazine editorial, Lowles wrote of a David Cameron speech criticising multiculturalism, “by demanding integration, an end to state multiculturalism and an acceptance of a core liberal belief system Cameron is not playing to the far-right gallery, as some have argued, but creating a firewall between the mainstream middle and those totally opposed to immigration”.  Thus, UKIP are not allowed to criticise multiculturalism, but Tories are.  Furthermore, Lowles and co-author Carl Morphett (for some silly reason persisting with the pseudonym Simon Cressy) wrote that “while UKIP is not a far right or fascist party many of its members and supporters hold views little different from those held by the BNP”[xi]

(4) HNH’s REAL MOTIVES

Anybody who thinks Lowles an honest broker regarding UKIP clearly does not know his political past regarding Europe.  In 1996 he wrote an infamous document (while working for Searchlight) offering to provide pro-EU propaganda for the European Movement in the struggle against anti-EU forces.  The proposal (which was taken up and is reproduced in NFB issue 5 p.54-55) ends by saying

 “this research will be a unique insight into the anti-European network in Britain.  Utilising sources inside these organisations, the European Movement will be furnished with information not otherwise easily accessible.  The report and the drip flow of information will provide your organisation with invaluable ammunition to add to your cause”. 

Note the charming phrase ‘drip-feed’.  How can anybody think that a venal pro-EU disinformation-peddler like this should be listened to by anybody genuinely concerned about opposing the EU in an anti-racist way?

In case it be argued, utterly implausibly, that Lowles has changed his pro-EU spots, consider two further things.  First, the clique of which he is a part now running Hope Not Hate is largely composed of the pro-EU hard right Labour faction ‘Progress’ (see NFB 10 p.59-60/75), chief among whose patrons is the oleaginous pro-EU Peter Mandelson.  It gets even worse.  In both February 2012 and (we understand) in February 2013 (see NFB 10 p.61-62), HNH have been in receipt of substantial funding from the Department of Communities and Local Government, brokered by DCLG ‘Integration Division’ boss Andrew Jordan, and HNH speakers are frequent participants at DCLG-sponsored seminars, along with Matthew Goodwin and various spooks.  In this respect, whereas originally funding was forthcoming to counter the EDL, it now seems legitimate to argue that here we have government funded HNH turning its sights on a political party, UKIP, that is a major problem for their Tory paymasters.  That cannot be right, and is surely questionable legally.

(5) WHAT NEXT?

Hopefully, readers will now understand just why NFB regards HNH’s stance on UKIP with wry amusement, especially this announcement: “following the launch of our consultation last week we have been invited to meet the leadership of UKIP.  We immediately agreed and while we are keen to hear what they have to say we will also be outlining our position and the red lines between what we consider to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour”[xii].  Just why would anybody of good faith listen to what the likes of Lowles, known Europhiliac and DCLG hireling, might have to say by way of ‘advice’ to the anti-EU movement generally/UKIP in particular?  Rather we suggest:

  1. UKIP itself acts against racists in the ranks and expels them.
  2. No meeting with HNH, and especially no handing over of membership lists, as Sked did in the past[xiii]
  3. Those on the Left/Greens abandon their shameful acquiescence (by & large) in the racket that is the EU, thereby shifting the anti-EU debate Leftwards and linking it to a transformative political strategy.  Unless and until the Left deals with Elephant in the room that is the EU, they will (rightly) remain marginal.
  4. Urgent Freedom of Information Act  requests concerning  ongoing HNH funding by DCLG and other government departments, as a prelude to legal action to ensure this is not used for tawdry (pro-coalition) political purposes.  Opponents should not baulk at taking legal action against HNH: they don’t ‘do’ genuine debate.  For example, in the dispute with Searchlight they have threatened legal action/called in lawyers on no less than six occasions (NFB 10 p.73 has details) rather than have genuine public debate over differences.  What is really at stake is taxpayers money being used for proxy campaigning on behalf of the coalition.
  5. Further examination of the way political discourse is being polluted by anti-extremism discourse, as bought into by the DCLG/HNH/the Home Office/spooks and various intellectual prostitutes posturing as academics like Ford and Goodwin
  6. If there is to be a meeting between Lowles and others in the HNH orbit with anti-EU forces, a clear red line should be drawn, preferably at the top of some stairs, and the whole rotten lot booted out over it into the gutter where they belong.
Clearly the upper echelons of UKIP are racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual and extremist – and all proven beyond argument by their close association and both support and sponsorship of overtly racist pan EU groups and their own Pan EU Political Group The EFD.
The excuse quoted for this close association with extremism of the basest nature is ‘for money & influence’ so it is fair to say UKIP is without ethics or principles and willing to prostitute itself to any vile extremist cause in return for ‘influence and money’!
Not a pleasant prospect for a political cult in Britain and as a Farage cult it is hard to think of it as a ‘Party’ at times!
Then of course the re are the efforts of Notes from the Borderland to summarise their 2001 position on UKIP infiltration by MI6 – which seems little more accurate than their original fanciful speculations, fed, as I recal, by the embittered and inaccurate speculations of the outmaneuvered UKIP aspirant Christina Speight’s vitriolic and dishonest views!
The rehash of this old story was published on 05-Aug-2010

YET MORE PLOTS AND RUMOURS OF PLOTS: DID MI6 INFILTRATE UKIP?

Introduction

One thing that unquestionably facilitates spook intervention in politics is the studied unwillingness of people on one part of the spectrum to take an interest when perceived opponents are infiltrated.  No more so than suggestions that the Euro-Sceptic movement might be the subject of secret state jiggery-pokery.  This not only ignores the political past–both the Labour Party & the Green Party once favoured withdrawal from the EU–it allows spooks greater maneouvrability in the present. 

 Something that we at NFB definitely think is a bad thing.  We would only ask that those who have no sympathy for UKIP put that aside for a few minutes and look at the issues…

TEBBIT WEIGHS IN

Just before the 2001 General Election, Tory bruiser Norman Tebbit wrote in The Spectator that UKIP had two ex-MI6 agents in the ranks, and by standing in seats against Tory Eurosceptic candidates was perhaps following an MI6 (and New Labour) agenda [132]. His argument had two aspects–the presence of MI6 assets on the one hand, and UKIP electoral strategy on the other.

UKIP did indeed stand against Tory Euro-sceptics who lost their seats, such as Patrick Nicholls. However, standing against those they are politically close to was no new policy–UKIP opposed the Referendum Party in 1997 and prior to that election were distinctly antagonistic [133]. In any event, whatever Tebbit’s own views on the EU, the suspicion is this article was written for (Tory) party motives to some extent at least. Tebbit hardly proved his case as to what M!6 might have been up to in UKIP. He did however, to use his phrase, ‘strike gold’ in one respect-ascertaining there were indeed two ex-MI6 agents inside UKIP. For that, we should all be grateful, as too for putting the question of spooks infiltrating politics on the agenda.

MI6 & PARTY POLITICS—A DEFINITE CASE TO ANSWER

Without question MI6 cultivate assets in political parties. Raymond Fletcher (Labour MP for llkestone 1964-83) was on MI6’s payroll while in parliament. Another former MI6 officer was influential Tory Cranley Onslow MP, later instrumental in recruiting 1970s MI6 provocateurs the Littlejohn brothers. Former Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken was so in with MI6 he used this to defend his libel case against The Guardian. The most high profile former MI6 officer is Paddy Ashdown. As Lib Dem Leader his first act was persuade the party to ditch their unilateral nuclear disarmament policy. And who really believes his interest in the former Yugoslavia has nothing to do with Paddy’s MI6 past? Not us. At the very least we can say former MI6 employees entering politics retain links with SIS, which are of use in, and affect, their political life.

THE JONES ALLEGATIONS

Tebbit did not name his source, but others did. It was Chris Jones, sometime Labour Party Press Officer, more recently a UKIP Press Officer. He held this post for a few months before departing in contested circumstances. Jones, contacted by NFB, readily conceded he was Tebbit’s source, but added little, and seemed unenthusiastic about his previous claims. Undeterred, we continued investigating and obtained his two known relevant letters anyway.

First up is Jones’ letter to Jeffrey Titford MEP dated 26/9/00. He raises seven main points, yet none concern MI6 or even party policy. They all impinge on his employment contract and related financial matters, of little help in determining MI6 involvement in UKIP. At that time (and still) Jones had a court case pending relating to his employment. Maybe he was sidelined after discovering an MI6 plot in UKIP–but this letter does not directly support that. Indeed, inasmuch as he says “alarm bells started ringing in my head in my second week in [UKIP] employ”, no allegation concerning MI6 is even implicitly substantiated. A mundane motive for alleging MI6 infiltration (revenge) is however potentially substantiated. Luckily, we already know via Tebbit two were definitely ex-MI6.

A second Jones missive is more helpful, dated 14/1/01. His letter to the ‘Regulation of Investigatory Powers Tribunal’ refers to “my allegation, based on detailed circumstantional {sic) evidence gathered over 5 months that UKIP has been penetrated and is largely controlled by British Intelligence agents”. Unfortunately there is no evidence in this letter, although a request is made to “call upon files on UKIP: myself: Dr R AE North: G Franklyn-Ryan: Nigel Farage MEP: Heather Coyningham a former FCO official; Christopher Skeate also FCO: Tony Stone: Mark Daniel (alias): Janet Girsman and G Lance Watkins”. Given he presumably doesn’t see himself as a spook, maybe others on this list are victims too according to Jones. What caused whittling down 8 names to 2 (when he met Tebbit) is not ascertainable. Perhaps Mr Jones might say more on these matters, and we hope he will. One further point-in our opinion, the last people to go to if concerned about spookery is the Home Secretary or any spook monitoring body. If there is no secret state involvement, it’d be a waste of time. If there is involvement, they wouldn’t admit it but simply cover their tracks.

SIFTING THE EVIDENCE

According to preliminary research the following things are known or claimed about Heather Coyningham & Christopher Skeate, the two ex-MI6 staff. They worked in Latin America together (possibly Peru) and were both in the Referendum Party, the latter as a 1997 candidate. As UKIP Press Officer, Skeate recruited Coyningham to a secretarial role. Fluent in languages. Coyningham now works in Brussels as secretary to both Titford and Farage. No evidence has been found of her factionalising, but it has to be said if she were still operating to an MI6 agenda, this apparently mundane but in reality crucial job is exactly the sort of task she would perform. We have heard that Coyningham played a key part in the recent General Election campaign, and helped change party policy concerning a referendum on EU membership. We do not know this is so, but report it: such a policy dilution is something MI6 would favour.

Skeate has a higher profile. He attended the crucial New Alliance foundation meeting 7/6/97 and in February 1999 lobbied NEC members to prevent suspension of Liz Milton from that body. Also that month, he accused then leader Michael Holmes of being responsible for posting defamatory material concerning himself (Holmes) on the Eurofaq internet newsgroup. Skeate drifted in and out of the various internal conflicts, surfacing at the October 1999 AGM claiming “the NEC had achieved nothing in the last year or so-and attempted to put the blame on Michael Holmes” (according to one critic) [134].  Maybe Skeate’s participation in factionalism was innocent-and after all, a lot less than some. However, if he too were still working to an MI6 agenda, encouraging factionalism at pivotal moments is something one might expect. Early in 2001, Skeate left UKIP, over an undisclosed matter. His internet argument with Holocaust Denial supporter Alistair McConnachie (mentioned earlier) found its way to the Guardian in February 2001. Of course, Skeate probably genuinely opposes anti-semitism, although we doubt pro-Jewish sympathies were encouraged in MI6. After all, his Latin America posting will have included dealings with the Cayman Islands, which play “an integral role in money laundering for several of the Arab intelligence services” [135].

REACTIONS TO TEBBIT

Ordinary UKIP members saw Tebbit as pursuing a Tory agenda: fair comment [136], The Telegraph covered it straight [137]. The Guardian snidely dismissed Tebbit as a ‘conspiracy theorist’—yet Tebbit had incontrovertibly established Skeate and Coyningham were MI6 [138].

Next up was Andrew Pierce inThe Times (24/5), who in 1999 broke the Farage/Lecomber/Deavin photo story. He poured scorn on Tebbit, implying UKIP was the province of MI5 (if anything) not MI6–but why not both? He stated “there have been so many personality clashes within the party they would not have needed any external help to disrupt it”. Like Pierce for example? His was a disingenuous remark, for not only may spooks accentuate personal rivalries (the COINTELPRO model) genuine rivalries are good cover. Obviously speaking of the Jones Memo, Pierce claimed to be “trying to locate” it. We think it unlikely he didnt already have it. He asked of a plot ‘what is the point?’, knowing full well even the tiniest groups get infiltrated, never mind ones with MEPs whose main plank is a foreign policy issue. Pierce then deliberately blurs the Carmichae! (MI5) case with this (MI6) one, attributing such (manufactured) confusion to Tebbit! And so on–all in all, a professional snow job. Clearly, at some time between 1999 and 2001, Pierce’s public line on UKIP has undergone a radical change. Reporting the Tory attempt to bribe UKIP early in 2001 Pierce was respectful of Farage, quoting extensively from his internal UKIP report in a way doing UKIP (as opposed to Tories) no harm [139]. The uncharitable might think Pierce got instructions from above (or below) to enthusiastically rubbish Tebbit’s claims. We couldn’t possibly comment.

Recent coverage in the BNP’s Spearhead says little but is again reminiscent of Dr Deavin, using the name Barry Preston [140]. To date, neither Searchlight nor Francis Wheen have said anything. Maybe the drip feed is clogged up?

During the whole controversy, only one UKIP luminary spoke–Nigel Farage. He said a lot–and said nothing. To The Telegraph he admitted the “party could have been infiltrated by all sorts of people”. Not specifying who. For The Guardian he mused over whether leaks from UKIP had been “the far left, the far right, or the Conservatives, but I just don’t know”. Not spooks then. Strange, considering Tebbit’s Spectator article reported “no shock at UKIP when I told them what I know about the person who had left”. Or perhaps Farage believes an MI6 asset in UKIP would not be infiltration? So what would? On the BBC (23/5/01) Farage rhetorically asked “who is to say whether we were infiltrated by the security services”. Actually, Norman Tebbit. Farage’s most fatuous offering is the last. According to the Daily Express (25/5/01) after questioning Coyningham, Farage said “she thinks these claims are nonsense”. So do any number of people up in court–shouldn’t a party leader properly investigate, as the Express headline ‘Party starts spy probe’ promises? Topping it is this riposte. “Asked whether either had ever worked for MI6, Mr Farage said ‘I haven’t got a clue'”. Does this ridiculous response indicate irresponsible incompetence or something else? Your call. At the very least, former Tory MP John Browne could head up an inquiry. That really would be fun.

FOOTNOTES TO EXTRACT

132) The Spectator 26/5/01
133) see for example UKIP Press Release 28/11/96 & leaflet ‘Why UKIP is not in alliance with the Referendum Party’ (1996)
134) letter in Independence issue 30 October 1999 p.5
135) John Loftus & Mark Aarons ‘The Secret are Against the Jews; (St Martins Press NY) p.394
136) Brian Lee letter to The Spectator 2/6/01
137) Daily Telegraph 24/5/01 (Sarah Womack)
138) The Guardian 24/501 (Nicholas Watt).
139) The Times 2/3/01 (Andrew Pierce).
140) Funny goings-on in UKIP’ Spearhead 92 October 2001 p.18-19

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There are some strange TechNoPhobes In UKIP …

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/03/2013

There are some strange TechNoPhobes In UKIP …

There are those UKIP TechNoPhobes who ensure they can establish deniability and blame others, when they are caught out, who claim not to use the internet, use computers or use Twitter and claim to pay salaries from UKIP to do the job for them – This ensures they can deny involvement!

Then of course there are the TechNoPhobes who endlessly prattle on about being so important their computers were hacked when they were too stupid to use professional virus checkers and firewalls and keep them up to date.

Then there are the TechNoPhobes who are ashamed of what they do and say on line, and shelter behind false names and fake itentities to lie, cheat and defame.

It never ceases to amaze just howmany of them are members, ex members and parasites of UKIP seeking redress for their failures or preferment and reward from UKIP – I note many of them post on the two main UKIP controlled Forums, promoting their lies and fantasies, in fighting, squabbling and vitriol!

Then of course there are the rest of us – the true TechNoPhobes and those like me who are merely TechNoCrass!

After going through a virus attack,
Losing a hard drive,
 
Fighting off hackers,
 
Upgrading all my software,
Installing fire-walls,
Being threatened with being cut-off by my email provider,
 
And a host of other problems…
 
I have fixed my computer…

And NOW it works exactly the way I want it to!

COMPUTER CONVERSION

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SORRY about the delay!

We’ll try for the screen captures & copies next – they seem to be causing conflict in loading!

There was considerable cross referencing to do AGAIN and also redacting to ensure the security of my sources, and the checkable veracity of the posts.

I appologise for the delay but having done the work last night Firefox crashed thus I have redone the work when it was convenient!

Here are the facts and the examples promised:

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Hi,

You may find the sordid style of the odious squabbling and jockeying for position and popularity of these insecure and self serving people gives an insight into just how odious is UKIP’s leadership team and the claque who wriggle, squabble and back stab, when not fauning and grovelling or in the beds of others to gain status really are!

Let us go back in time a little with a YouTube entry from the amoral and foul mouthed Annabelle Fuller:

Interesting when you consider this foolish woman’s track record of corruption and dishonesty!

Behaviour which forced her to run away from UKIP due to her unprofessional abuse of data protection – abuse which cost UKIP one of its better donors and chairmen John Whittaker who quit as he was no longer willing to befoul his personal reputation covering for Nigel Farage’s doxy’s dishonesty and incompetence.

We understand it was the track record of foul language and unprofessionalism that cost Fuller her next job withThe British legion and then with Army Pensions, despite her father’s influence.

However she is back again with Farage and on a salary of around £50K as I recall, not to mention drawing two incomes from the public purse by being paid for other and more personal services via her claims of having PR experience of value, rather than just pestering journos with strange tweets and personal calls, as they have told me! Billed presumably through Athena PR!

Or for that matter telling lies about people and promoting her personal style whilst drunk to the extent of not just false witness and dishonesty but also stealing from the unsuspecting marque as with the Blackberry, The House of Commons pass and private correspondence when trusted to enter an MP’s flat!

I presume there is some devious means of paying to avoid the EU rule of being doubly employed from their funds! Another UKIP financial scam organised by their tame accountant to keep Farage’s fingerprints off of the paper work!

Review her comments on YouTube above and assess for yourself just howmuch of a liability she is for UKIP and then read on – you may also consider it is a blind eye to her services that explains why Farage’s wife is paid £30K for her inactivity as a UKIP staffer – unknown in terms of any work done by Farage’s own constituency office and her employment was unknown until research turned up the facts which Daniel Foggo subsequently published in The Sunday Times.

Let us move on:

Here is a posting from 10-Feb-2013 – yet again from Annabelle Fuller regarding Diane James, and involving Sean Howlett, Steven Wolfe, David Coburn and Mick McGough

The conversation moved on involving discussion of the same individuals and minded of the disproportionate income relative to competence and ability it is clear the money isn’t even for professionalism, integrity, ethics or discression!” Loyalty to the party is clearly a ‘No No’ from this specimen!

Clearly Nigel Farage’s own PA is clearly out of her depth and batting in her own self interest all too willing to drag Farage and UKIP into the gutter of her life!

These duplicitous individuals are all over Diane James like a cheap suit to her face but clearly happy to do all they can to unseat her behind her back regardless of her doing well for UKIP at Eastleigh – it seems they are working to protect their jobs by ensuring their puppet master faces no challengers – so very typical of the divisive and unprofessional behaviour in Farage’s Party!

Again the conversation moves on and we see UKIP Yoooff who themselves consider Diane James ‘An Utter Bitch‘ someone who their contempt for is manifest, with comments like ‘who has never represented the party

UKIP who endlessly proclaim they are ethical and represent true British values are clearly rotten to the core.

It is that they endlessly protest they are not like the other parties that makes this more shocking as they are clearly riddled with hatred, self interest, greed and rivalry on a scale that surpasses even the worst in other parties.

Then on a different theme we see the infighting in UKIP Yoooff from the correspondence with his apparent mentor Steven Woolfe:

And toadying to, of all people, Neil Hamilton, the corrupt and discreditted ex Tory, dumped in a miasma of sleaze that has now engulfed UKIP:

You will of course be able to find further examples of stupidity, self serving, unprofessionalism, nepotism, cronyism, back stabbing, disloyalty and downright vituperative trash with just a few minutes search on the internet this little party displays all the reasons that so few honourable and decent folk of any consequence back them in domestic elections.

Although UKIP’s numbers are small; relative to the main parties they sure make up for it with their vile behaviour which can be found with a moments search!

Just look at CLICK HERE where much of this material can be found to have been posted!

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This eMail correspondence that follows is an extract from the full eMail which I received on this issue:

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:27:01 +0000
Subject: Sean / Annabelle emails

YI: Change You Cant Believe In

KT got some threats after he posted this post earlier, as readers know KT is nice and fair, yeah KT pokes fun at politicians (if you cant laugh at them then you only cry) but its always done in the right way, anyway KT is going off piste a bit, lets rewind a bit, lets go back to say …. February 10th , that cool?
its an email exchange between UKIP members before the polls closed for Eastliegh, in fact a few weeks before the polls closed , these email involve Ms Fuller (Nigel Farage`s PA) , Sean Howlett and David Corburn :

https://ukipvseukip.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/a90b7-anabelle1.jpg

They are discussing the then UKIP candidate for Eastlaigh Diane James, but then it moves on

https://ukipvseukip.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/6f2bb-redactedyi.jpg As you can see Nigel Farage`s PA and others were bad mouthing Diane James behind her back and then being all nice to her face, even tho Diane came second in Eastleigh people close to Nigel Farage were slagging Diane James of, even after these e-mails YI (Young independence) requested that people vote for Diane James:

https://ukipvseukip.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/864bc-yidianejames.jpg


UKIP claim they are different than all the others, the truth is that they are as two faced as all the others, they asked voters to vote for someone they described as a “utter bitch” and someone *who has never represented the party* , different from the others? no chance!

Update : While KT was checking this piece out he came across Ms Fullers You Tube page 

 https://ukipvseukip.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/5fdc7-fulleryoutube.jpg
KT may be mistaken but UKIP are not keen on Poles…… 

I believe now that this post has the various screen shots we can reasonably expect utterly implausible claims that their Blogs have been hacked – surprising that they have failed to claim this previously even though they knew the material had been screen captured and circulated!

Claims of being hacked are quite fashionable at the moment – such claims are so much more plausible if they are reported when they happen rather than when when their postings are highlighted!

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UKIP Slighted & Ambitious Trash & Unprofessional In Fighting …

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the back stabbing, squabbling and viciously odious behaviour of those on the make and the take in UKIP and those who feel they were in some way outwitted, out maneuvered or out performed in their efforts to climb the unsavoury and particularly greasy pole that UKIP provides on route to a place on the gravy train, or preferment in some way, can be measured by the following UKIP controlled public Forum posting.
Let us start off with this posting from an embittered and particularly repetitive pedant, on the UKIP controlled forum – I shall spare them the embarrassment of identifying them, suffice to say not the most reliable sources for information and untrustworthy, as I have found to my cost, also!
Many a sound and proven story exposing UKIP has foundered on this particular obsessive’s insistance on over egging the cake to impress. Clearly not realising that the simple facts and cross referenced truth suffice, one item at a time rather than throwing all the mud in the water and making it unpalatable for any investigator and too tedious for words!
Well what do YOU think:
Yesterday the ‘Junius’ internet site gave notice of its future intentions to publicise evidently unpleasant e-mails.
Just as though the trailer at the cinema for next weeks film that is to be even better than this weeks offering , the reader is encouraged to ponder then salivate.
The use of nasty e-mails about persons, especially those who gave of their time and resources to build up a volunteer base party is not now a new phenomenon.It has become a device to attain office that, sadly has succeeded.
Of course the e-mails that are to be offered for public consumption are able to be witheld were those within the team not wishing to destroy, then create a vacuum that they perhaps intend to fill.
Has this latest episode been prompted by illegal attacks upon persons computers ?
That method of attaining information has been employed against three persons to my certain knowledge in the past.
As so often with those who aim to be vindictive, convinced of the righteous nature of their fantasies, yet again we note they have jumped to the conclusion that an obvious 2 + 2 =s something other than 4.The deduction was so half witted that they failed to note the contact on Junius was awaiting forwarding of the material from me and I had firstly to redact to protect my sources and then to endeavour to ensure the veracity of the material I had been supplied!

The only reason I paid ANY attention to the gossip was that having compiled the posting late last night, as I endeavoured to post it Firefox crashed, deleting both the posting and the auto backups!

Sadly, as so often happens in a rush to judgement, the author of that foolish Forum post has got entirely the wrong end of the stick!
Then we have the spectacle of this foolish individual expounding on matters of which they clearly have little or no understanding – and just when is there proof someone’s computer was ‘hacked’ by someone in UKIP. Though I appreciate the grubby little sewer rat Nigel farage has employed ‘Mark Croucher, has from time to time claimed knowledge of hacking to make his lies more plausible and be of greater value to his pay master!
Clearly only a half wit would willingly put their computer forward on the internet without a serious degree of anti virus protection and a professional firewal of some sort. Frankly I do NOT believe that there has been either consequential or competent hacking within UKIP as such and as for GCHQ taking an interest on UKIP grounds dream on – they have better things to do, though clearly they don’t do them very well!
The case for having a computer hacked is very limited but without anti virus then clearly one is prone to Trojans and the like and exploitation of the computer by ‘hitch hikers’ either mass spamming or using the address book and the like.
At one moment attacking the duplicitous and corrupt Derek Clark and at the next seeking to defend him; as with the praise they lavish on Nikki Sinclaire and yet the damaging misinformation about West Midlands events!
The trail is long and tedious at one moment sharing information and yet at another, in breech of trust, playing secret squirrel to feed some fantasy or another!”
I would not be surprised if it was this buffoon who is spreading malicious rumours about Chris Pain supplying eMails to Junius and Geoffrey Collier leaking mass circulation ‘e’Mails!!! Or even trying to convince that the cartoons on The Junius Team blog are provided by Pain, leading some of the gullible fools in UKIP leadership to believe they are, when clearly many of them are actually signed photoshop cartoons and the rest are in the same style, mainly appeared in the ex UKipper and BNP sympathiser Andrew Edwards’ ‘e’Mail circulars.
But based on the level of political common sense in UKIP or political judgement one would hardly expect their leadership team to make intelligent guesses let alone professional deductions!
The material to which Team Junius allude on their blog is now my next task and with good fortune and a minimal number of interuptions (firefox not withstanding) I hope to have re-written the post later today – at which stage Junius Team will pick it up and post it, when they have time and their EU work allowing.
Meanwhile I shall await the latest efforts of the pond life of UKIP and its followers to desperately either stab each other in the back as they fight like inebriated ferrets in a pillow case desperately trying to hide their identities behind pseudonyms on the pretence that they NEED to protect their names for ‘internet security’ either they are dellusional or have a very inflated opinion of their worth!
I long ago stopped caring which foolish fake was Tubby arnott, Slime Croucher, Slut (you choose!), idiotic Finch, Mick McTrough, The Oaff Reeve, or any number of clowns too ashamed to put their names to their  vituperative maunderings.
To be fair I rarely read the postings of those who hide in shame there are enough items by honourable men and women to take up my time and at least with information supplied by real people it can be checked!
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How Many MPs would UKIP HAVE now if …?

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How Many MPs would UKIP HAVE by now if its MEPs and their staff had made the efforts and acted with the integrity of Nikki Sinclaire MEP?

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it is intriguing to speculate just howmany MPs and District Councillors UKIP would have by now if they had all acted with the integrity and put in the consistent hard work that Nikki Sinclaire has done since she left UKIP on a point of principle regarding their association and collaboration wityh racism, anti homosexuality,anti Judaism and corruption.

Unfashionable as it may be for those licking boots in UKIP many will remember that when she left UKIP as a result of the outright lies of Malcolm Pearson, the dishonesty of Christopher Gill, the innuendo and bullying of Nigel Farage and Godfrey Bloom, when drunk and sober, and the vile behaviour of Mick McGough and other low lifes in the leadership clique and its odious claque of cowards, posturing behind anonymity.

She was at the time one of UKIP’s largest donors!
Also do note that Nigel Farage promised the electorate before any UKIP MEPs were ever elected that every elected UKIP member would publish full auditted accounts – To date not a single UKIP MEP, Councillor or other elected public servant has ever published transparent auditted accounts.
Some may remember that to get votes Nigel Farage PROMISED transparency!
Then of course let us remember that Nigel Farage PROMISED no UKIP elected member would ever employ family – it was due to the facts garnered and then published by Daniel Foggo that his colleagues discovered that although Farage had PROMISED and blocked his colleagues was himself employing his wife on a salary of about £30,000 a year and even his own constituency office did not know and knew of no work that she did for UKIP or Farage othwer than as a wife, mother and domestic help – Yet money available to UKIP staff was dishonestly spent by Farage to bribe his wife!
Just imagine what UKIP could have achieved in 20 years had they had the work ethics, integrity, sense of duty and willingness to fund the party shown by Nikki Sinclaire whom the leadership of UKIP lied about, bullied and defamed to ensure they removed her as she was embarrassingly showing up their corruption, dishonesty, corruption, self interest, racism and lack of integrity.

Burton MEP calls for accounts to be audited

Written by MARK MCKAY

THE Euro MP for Burton has called on fellow Euro politicians to have their accounts put under the microscope and audited.

Nikki Sinclaire, the We Demand a Referendum MEP for the West Midlands, made the calls after having her accounts successfully audited for the third year.

She said: “In times of financial austerity, it is important that the electorate know where their money is spent.”

She also slammed the European Union for not having its accounts audited for the past 18 years.

She said: “Transparency is my number one aim.

“With the European Union being unable to audit its accounts for the past 18 years, it is no wonder that the majority of this country questions our membership”.

Ms Sinclaire has also claimed to subsidise her own expenditure in 2012 by £40,851 which she said helped fund her work in the West Midlands.

She also claims to have subsidised her general expenditure from her own pocket by £119,744 between 2009 and 2012.

To view Ms Sinclaire’s documents regarding financial transparency visit http://yourmep.org/transparency.html

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IMMIGRANTS & TOURIST Rights To Healthcare – Remind Farage & Cameron!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/03/2013

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we hear Farage & the Tories competing for who can be seen to be most beastly to immigrants, the most effectively, but perhaps they should take a glance at the law as it actually stands!

Here is the law on Tourist & immigrant rights to Healthcare, or for that matter the rights of UK citizens (which due to the folly of being members of The EU includes all those millions of EU vassals and the subordinate states)

Healthcare

This page explains what healthcare you can receive while you are living in the UK.

You will be able to receive healthcare from the National Health Service (NHS). Some or all of this may be free of charge, depending on your residency status and how long you have been living here.

Permanent residents of the UK do not have to pay for treatment by a general practitioner (GP) or at a hospital.

Permanent residents on a low income may qualify for extra free healthcare such as NHS prescriptions, dental care, sight tests and vouchers to help them buy glasses. More information is on the NHS website.

If you are a visitor to the UK or have temporary permission to live here (known as ‘limited leave to remain‘), you may be able to register with a GP in your area and receive free treatment. The GP can decide whether or not to register you. You may not be able to receive the full range of hospital treatment, because you must be a permanent resident or have lived here for a year to qualify for it. This applies even if you are a British citizen or have lived or worked here in the past.

You can find out more about this in the Department of Health’s guidance for overseas visitors.

Some health services are free of charge to everyone. These are:

  • treatment given in an accident and emergency (A&E) department or in an NHS walk-in centre that provides services similar to those of an A&E department;
  • treatment for certain infectious diseases (but for HIV/AIDS, only the first diagnosis and counselling that follows it are free);
  • compulsory psychiatric treatment; and
  • family planning services.

Certain categories of people are able to receive the full range of hospital treatment. These include asylum applicants whose application is still being considered, anyone who has lived here legally for the previous 12 months, and diplomatic staff. For the full list, see the Department of Health guidance.

A few categories of visitor can receive treatment for conditions that occurred after their arrival in the UK. This includes residents of the European Economic Area, or of countries with which the UK has bilateral healthcare agreements. See our Rights and responsibilities page for European nationals. The Department of Health guidance also contains more details.

If you are not in one of the categories that can receive free treatment, you may be asked to pay for any hospital treatment you receive. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have health insurance to cover your stay in the UK.

In an emergency, you should go to the nearest hospital that has an A&E department. If you cannot get there yourself, phone 999 or 112 and ask for an ambulance. These calls are free from any phone, including mobile phones, but must only be used in an emergency.

For more advice and information, see the NHS website or phone NHS Direct on 0845 4647.

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Just like all the twaddle that has been spouted as a result of the costly and pointless show trial Leverson Enquiry there is absolutely no need for new Royal Charters, Laws or the like – All that is needed is to enforce the laws that exist not invent new Politically Correct publicity to permit useless politicians to strut and preen!

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The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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Background info to the long term failure of UKIP

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  1. Yesterday, 11:51 AM #23

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    I’m always respectful I hope, I will await a reply from Michael.

  2. Today, 09:27 AM #24

    mick mcgough is offline(G.L-W.: Mick McGough is a proven liar, petty criminal, self seeker & cheat, for details & examples CLICK HERE)

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    Dustbin Lid,I regret I am unable to translate the mutterings of the senile chap in the coffee shop.I regret that I fear dementia has befallen Geoffrey as he posts a series of unrelated words.He joins Greg Liar-Wotsit in the waiting room as all the anti-UKIP Nutters are recalled to base.

    (G.L-W.: that was an example of the low grade style of a UKIP NEC member who has consistently befouled the cause with his childish posturings & general tasteless sneerings and dishonesty)
  3. Today, 11:34 AM #25

    Geoffrey Collier is online now(G.L-W. has been a dedicated member and supporter of UKIP for approaching 20 years. A retired CFollege Lecturer of some standing. Geoffrey Collier has not only officially represented UKIP on matters pertaining to the countryside & National Parks but also was a founder and chairman of UKIP’s largest branch and chaired the branch when it was the largest revenue donator of any branch in Britain.
    Geoffrey Collier has been a relentless toiler for the partyy and has worked relentlessly to try to instigate integrity, ethics, probity and honesty in an effort to try to clean up the party to make it fit for purpose.
    Geoffrey Collier, like many who aim to control the dishonest and the corrupt has received constant attacks from those who see their income stream, perks or root to the gravy train thwarted by his actions!)

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    I’m always respectful I hope, I will await a reply from Michael.
    Geoffrey Collier’s informed response:

    Dustbin Lid: Now can you see better the problems which we have in UKIP?
    Michael used to counter-sign UKIP cheques from the national account, which were agreed with UKIP’s national Treasurer Andrew Smith.
    Elected members to the NEC, who have asked to peruse those accounts, have been systematically dismissed from the NEC for making such requests.

    (G.L-W: Andrew Smith, as treasurer, was asked around 25 basic questions about the UKIP accounts, for which he was responsible, by members of the NEC – He was unable to answer the questions and to avoid facing up to his responsibilities he quit the job without notice, leaving the accounts in complete disarray – this was the man wyho eMailed individuals to lay out his plan as to how to deceive the Electoral Commision!

    At the moment there are no less than two television companies investigating UKIP’s financial affairs;

    (G.L-W: There are more!)

    no doubt there are national newspapers doing likewise.

    (G.L-W: There are numerous!)


    It is easy for people like Michael to try and dismiss these things, but the evidence is to the contrary.

    OLAF have required UKIP MEPs’ to return impermissible financial allocations.

    (G.L-W: Tom Wise, a UKIP MEP was sentenced to 2 years in prison for his fraud and Derek Clar UKIP MEP, after boasting of his defrauding the tax payers was subsequently found guilty and ordered to repay a similar sum to that which Tom Wise embezzled!
    Nigel Farage, Jeffrey Titford and Graham Booth as UKIP MEPs were also found guilty of misappropriation of tax payer’s money and ordered to repay money they had taken)


    Others, such as Stuart Agnew, admitted that he has been doing likewise.

    (G.L-W: Mike Nattrass was investigated by OLAF also and having read the conclusion/report it was clear OLAF opted to take no further action!
    Stuart Agnew & David Bannerman are both still under investigation by OLAF for fraudulent misuse of tax payers money as admitted to on camera to The Sunday Times.)


    At a time when we should be making real progress, newspapers are giving UKIP banner headlines, knowing that for UKIP, soon will dawn that day of nemesis. We are warned of ‘Greeks bearing gifts’, I say be more beware of national newspapers deliberately building you up, for the delight of knocking you down.

    (G.L-W: Many will be aware, or may even have seen, the evicerating comments of Andrew Neal with regard to Farage & UKIP, since the somewhat febrile achievements at Eastleigh!)

    In UKIP the cause has been impeccable; while the membership has given of their time, efforts and generosity year-on-year, unstintingly. But it would be foolish to say that they have been given the leadership which they deserve.

    NEC member Mr Mcgough makes inane comments, for that is the best that he can do.

    You know that I am right, don’t you Michael?

    If you analyse the composition of the leadership, it comprises two distinct parts.

    There are one or two whom we can trust, but there is a cluster of genuine ignoramuses; for a good salary they would say anything.

    The other group is comprised of those with damaged reputations ( e.g. Neil Hamilton) and Lord Monckton, who had to be advised that he is not an ‘honorary member of the House of Lords, and to inform American Senators that he is, has no basis in fact.

    These people make the management of the Party more manageable than the talented people, who are seen as an immediate threat to the existing status-quo. Surely that cannot be seriously denied?

    We have survived the years, and for some decades, of espousing a message that was not popular. Now that our time has come, we are to be harmed by internal corruption which has existed unabated for years.

    We had an opportunity to deal with our own problems, and unsavoury people, but we chose to do nothing.

    Now that our cause has genuine political capital, there will be others who will embrace it as their own, and UKIP’s past misdeeds shall return to haunt them.

    That is sad; but it must be what is awaiting UKIP.

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    Oh dear, it seems there has been some rather disappointing behavior from some.

It is interesting to note the endless lies of Mick McGough as he and others in UKIP’s corrupt leadership by self serving ne’er do wells desperately try to hide their corruption by seeking to denigrate and defame people like Geoffrey Collier, Niall Warry, The Junius Team, Nikki Sinclaire, myself and others.

The endless claims of my misleading people and claims that I have lied on my blog are risible – in well over 2,000 blog postings and probably the same number of Forum entries, YouTube contributions, Twitters, eMails and the like NOT ONCE have UKIP their lawyers, sock puppets, leadership, NEC members nor even their claque of cowardly anonymous supporters EVER been able to identify a single consequential fact which I have got wrong, with regard to UKIP & its people, let alone any sign of a deliberate lie – would that the same could be said of UKIP & its leadership.

Were UKIP able to show, in like manner, their ethical behaviour, integrity and probity perhaps they would not have been such an abject failure in representing the EUroSceptic cause and just might have attracted not just support of consequence, some gravitas, a flicker of leadership, an iota of professionalism and even perhaps someone elected to an office of consequence in a domestic election!
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UKIP Yoof follow example of unprofessional in fighting

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UKIP Yoof follow the example of the Farage Party’s leadership style of unprofessional in fighting that renders UKIP unfit for purpose!

This unprofessionalism combined with a lack of strategy, tactics or plan goes a long way to explain why UKIP is no force to be reckoned with & have consistently failed in domestic politics where they still hold less than 30 elected seats of any value and zero MPs in 20 years!

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UKIP Youth Implodes as Former Leader Slams Candidate as an ‘Antagonistic & Divisive’.

 

Former UKIP Youth Leader Harry Aldridge has slammed candidate for the top job, Sean Howett, “Antagonistic” and “Obstructive” force in Young Independence (YI), the UKIP Youth Wing.

Aldridge told UKIP news-site Flash of Purple“Sean became obstructive on the YI Council, preventing activity and making the council members not want to hold calls or discuss anything, and in the end, given that i was becoming increasingly stressed to to the time pressures of work and my life, I decided that I had better things to do than fight an obstructive force.

“I think Sean is simply antagonistic and divisive, and not collegiate, all of which are prerequisites for YI Chairman. I think Rob has these qualities in spades.

In response a UKIP Youth member and Sean Howlett supporter told tbg – “Ever get the feeling he doesn’t like being yesterday’s favourite? At some point he needs to move on. He backed Olly and that helped lead to a mess. He seems to be becoming YIs very own Roger Knappman, almost nearly but if were honest never really.”

“This interview has all the marks of a career that has stalled. hanging around long after his time has gone”

Young Independence (YI), the Youth Wing of UKIP, has experienced a bloody day as far as election campaigns go. Two attack ads have rocked the whole of UKIP, the second ad of the day being particularly vicious.

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Exclusive: Interview with Former YI Chairman Harry Aldridge

 

 One of the big concerns of this campaign will be to ensure we do not get a repeat of the disgraceful scenes that played out at the start of the year. You backed Olly Neville for YI Chairman, is Rob a safer pair of hands than Neville was. How can we ensure there will not be another incident, and is Rob too close to Neville, having been appointed YI Vice Chairman by him?

I did back Olly. The thing people forget about Olly is that he was and is well liked both inside YI but also outside the party within certain parts of Conservative Future and elsewhere. Obviously there was an antagonism present on both sides which led to the Ollyshambles debacle, which was extremely unfortunate. I suspect that Olly’s politics are, however, best suited to twitter than the wearing of a party hat as an office holder and spokesman.

I think Rob is a safe pair of hands, and has demonstrated himself to be such over the last two months, when he has done a great job frankly under some very difficult circumstances. Rob found himself in the Chair largely by accident, but he had a vision for YI and set about rebuilding relations and trust with the Party meeting with the Party Chairman and Chief Executive. The Party, for its part, has been more engaged and is giving YI more attention – caused by the wrong reasons but with good results.

Rob has been clear that he sees the role of Chairman as less of a political role, but more of an organisational and managerial one. He has stated that he is not for any particular strand of views, but for all members. I think this is a good approach. I wouldn’t say Rob was too close to Olly, and I think Rob has his own clear views and ideas about what he wants for YI.
Why are you backing Rob and not his opponent Sean Howlett?
Sean has always been an antagonistic force in YI. He can have good ideas and do good things – the Gay marriage fringe debate at Birmingham conference was a great success. As chairman I tried to, and hopefully people felt that I did, treat people with an even hand. I was one of Sean’s greatest defender’s, much to the annoyance of many, because rubbing people the wrong way is not sufficient grounds for disciplinary action. As chairman one has to try and avoid cliques. I received many complaints regarding Sean, and trying to deal with these was, shall we say, a lot of effort and very difficult.
Sean became obstructive on the YI Council, preventing activity and making the council members not want to hold calls or discuss anything, and in the end, given that i was becoming increasingly stressed to to the time pressures of work and my life, I decided that I had better things to do than fight an obstructive force.
I think Sean is simply antagonistic and divisive, and not collegiate, all of which are prerequisites for YI Chairman. I think Rob has these qualities in spades.
 
What specific policies of Rob’s attracted you to his campaign?
Rob shares the same focus I had when Chairman – building the organisation. Regional chairmen to represent YI on the ground locally, a belief in building our University presence, and a desire for YI to organise more events. I think this is exactly the right approach, and wholeheartedly support it.
Where can Rob take YI that his opponents can’t? If Rob is elected where do you see YI being at the end of his term?
Well, I think it is all about organisation and delivering growth in Uni societies, regional structure, and in so doing being inclusive to all YI members. Being a level headed manager, leading change in YI, and being a moderate representative as the face of YI. And I will support him in any way that I am able.

Will you ever return to YI in a leadership role?
I have no plans to and have no desire to. I am far to occupied with work and life generally, and happily so. Also one of the reasons I stood down was to make way for somebody younger which I felt was necessary given the shift in the YI member age profile towards teenagers, and so I don’t see myself coming back to lead YI. That time has passed. I will remain active and help where i can though.
And finally, what are your opinions on Gay Marriage?
As i have said elsewhere previously, I believe in equality under the law for same sex couples. Personally I would see the state removed from the marriage business – it has no place determining what is and is not a marriage. If one person wants to marry another person, or multiple people, so what? Given the current situation the government simply needs to know if an individual has named another individual as a significant other for purposes of tax, benefits, etc. Then be done with it. Contracts of marriage can be left to the courts to interpret and enforce, and religious institutions can impose whatever symbolism or validation upon the contracts as they may wish. Everyone is satisfied.

The state should not be trying to achieve equality by defining marriage more widely, it should be trying to achieve equality by un-defining marriage and getting out the way.

As far as the legislative proposals on the table are concerned, I do not believe that the word “marriage” has an inflexible definition, nor that the use of it by same sex couples in any way diminishes the value of the word for opposite-sex couples or people of faith, so I don’t accept the argument that just because some religious people believe marriage to be a particular union of man and woman that is therefore a reason not to allow same sex couple to marry equally.

I do think there is a legitimate concern over the uncertainty of future ECHR rulings once the law is in place, but I think it unlikely. And if churches were compelled to marry same sex couples against their faith it would be a travesty and wholly unjust.

The UKIP position is essentially that legal equality has been achieved with civil partnerships, and given the uncertainty over future ECHR interpretation or hate crime laws, that it is best left to lie rather than wage a battle unnecessarily. I think it is a legitimate position, albeit I don’t share the same level of concern over the legal uncertainty.

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EXCLUSIVE: UKIP Youth Election Hots up With Savage Attack Ad.

 

tbg can exclusively reveal the Young Independence (YI) election first attack ad. The ad rips into Sean Howlett’s opponent for the top job of YI Leader, Rob Comley, pleading with the UKIP Youth electorate not to ‘Rob’ YI of its future.

One YI source told tbg“Having done a lot of research for the YI elections I can see that Sean Howlett is a smart, hardworking and well liked and respected guy, however it has become apparent that Rob Comley is only running to raise his profile so he can become an MEP or MP or defect to the Tories.”

Another YI source revealed to tbg that Comley has apparently called for the creation of a UKIP Youth Scottish branch, however seemingly – “Unaware that a functioning one already exists”. YI Scots Chairman Oluf Marshall is said to be – “Not happy.”

[YI Election Campaign Attack Ad]

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YI Embroiled With Further Attack Ads

 

The YI election campaign has taken a further negative turn after Flash of Purple was alerted to this attack ad that has been circulating amongst YI members. The crude ad mock YI Chairman Candidate Sean Howlett’s pledge to run a clean campaign, emphasising the hypocricy between that statement and his previous behaviour, as YI officials alerted us to previously. The Ad is the first one to attack Howlett after Rob Comley was subject to a brutal attack ad earlier today.

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My thanks to theblueguerilla.co.uk & flashofpurple.blogspot.co.uk
both are exposing the unprofessional ineptitude of The Farage Party Yoooof wing, as they emulate the crass behaviour of UKIP leadership clique and its claque of cowards, creeps and anonymous obsessives as they seek to curry favour and stab eachother in the back for prefferment and greater chances of advancement to/or on the gravy train!
Astonishingly UKIP still believe they are of political significance in British domestic politics just as the media have latched onto their naivety as a way to stir up the weaker sisters on the back benches of British politics whilst Farage is an irritant to the front benches his party is seen as a threat to  back benchers with a tenuous hold on their seats.

You may find this post of interest:

found on a blog on the internet (not mine or Junius 😉

Another excellent post, this time by Mr Alan Wood.

Although “I am UKIP”, we’ve never met, more’s the pity.

Well, they say you can judge a man by the quality of his enemies (or by the company he keeps), and judging by the standard of intellect and bearing, he has some quiet extraordinary enemies indeed. There is currently a debate – well, no, petty-minded bickering exchange raging on the British Democracy Forum, and apart from 1 or 2 posts by a ‘Geoffrey Collier’, it is the most illiterate and cretinous dross ever sent over the internet. They who post from anonymous false names do indeed bring the party into deep disrepute.

If only some of the people outside the party were running it….

UKIP’s membership has collapsed in calibre over the period of Farage’s leadership, though it has gained from the original collapse under Farage by firstly offering free membership and then pandering to the lowest common denominator in terms of simplistic populism and unworkable promises.

 

The claque of vociferous and ill-informed cowards sheltering their odious personalities and bullying oafishness behind anonymity is plain to see on forums and blogs, you tube and general behaviour across the internet and political spectrum as the correspondent quoted above makes clear.

 

The crass behaviour of the Farage claque and the clear criminality of some as they scrabble for preferment and the chance to climb on Farage’s untrustworthy clique of ne’er do wells in his so called leadership clique  of self serving petty crooks who will clearly leap into any gutter to gain promotion to the salaries and authority Farage offers and the direct feed lines from the gravy train utterly de3means UKIP and ensures they will for ever remain on the fringes as little more than the dustbin of protest votes and failed politicians dumped or on the skids in other parties.

 

Yes of course UKIP will gain the dustbin vote with populist clap trap but this will only occur, as has been proven, in irrelevant elections where historically the British people have an increasingly diminioshing turnout, making way for extremist policies like UKIP.

 

As soon as real events kick in in a consequential election the inate sense of survival kicks in and the overwhelming majority of voters who do turn out will vote for the more responsible two mainstream parties – however incompetent they clearly are.

 

Farage is to be congratulated having picked up a percentage of the protest vote, which seems significant, rivalling other duplicitous or/& failed politicians as have The Bonham Carters, Thorpe, Rogers, Jenkins, Heath, Rippon, Ashdown, Clark, Huhne, Williams, Salmond, Brown, Clegg, Owen, Balls, Millibands, Kinnock and their ilk who gathered protest votes based on their utterly irresponsible self-interested agendas.

 

Politicians who did and are doing so very much to aid the conquest of Britain by The EU.

 

Clearly The Enemy Within.

 

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although I do not endorse Mr. Taylor’s vitriolic denigration of these United Kingdoms, as published, particularly his clear willingness to overlook the very much agrarian poverty of the failed economy of Bulgaria after many years of extreme socialism as a vassal of the Communist regime of the USSR.
However it is clear that the extremism of Farage’s UKIP and the racism of their xenophobic Pan EU Political EFD Group lays his party open to extreme denunciation by individuals like Mr. Taylor – however accurate or inaccurate they may be!
I most emphatically do not share the failed socialist aspirations of Mr. Taylor nor his assertions that the levels of uncontrollable influx of different cultures and nationalities to Britain can be seen as beneficial at the unprecedented levels we see as a result of the misfortune of having been betrayed by our self serving and unrepresentative political elite and sold into thrall of the obscenely profligate and corrupt undemocratic EU.
Unfortunately the low grade of Farage’s team inevitably exposes UKIP in particular and EUroScepticism in general to the realisation that Mr. Taylor is clearly not alone in his visceral rejection of Britain and its values but also that he can with some degree of accuracy pen such a letter all be it he uses the opportunity to tag on his anti British personal vendetta.

Open Letter to UKIP’s Nigel Farage on Insulting Bulgarians

Letters to the Editor | March 14, 2013, Thursday| 1742 views

 

Dear Mr Farage,

I read with great interest the open letter to you of Ralitsa Behar, a Bulgarian woman whom having studied in the UK has now returned to her home country. I wish to inform you that as a British man living in Bulgaria I must strongly disagree with her. I do not disagree in any way with her comments and statements and totally support her. But I must disagree with Ralitsa on one fundamental point that she raises – Ralitsa openly invites you to come to Bulgaria and to meet with her and her family. I write to ask you not to come. Personally as a British man I find you remarks so offensive that I would have you stopped at the border. Sadly under European Law I can no longer have you shot in front of your family!

The UK has 78 representatives in the European parliament. UKIP itself has 11 MEPs in the European Parliament. One of which, Roger Helmer was elected as a Conservative MEP but defected to UKIP in March 2012. If we wish to talk about representative percentages, UKIP only has the electoral support of 7.8 percent of British opinion. If we take into consideration the dishonest election of Roher Helmer, call it ‘corrupt’ shall we? A word you like to use in reference to the Bulgarian Parliament – then of that 7.8% of UKIP representation 0.90% are dishonest (That’s one in ten as near as damn it.)

You’re anti- Bulgarian comments have caused great insult so I think what is needed here is to explain to Bulgaria that you most certainly do not represent the political will of the British people. And you most certainly and categorically do not represent me.

During your recent visit to Sofia – accompanied by the tabloid press (the gutter press as they are known) with their average reading age ability of just 11 years you deliberately posed for photographs in the poorest and most impoverished area of the city. The area you chose to focus on in no way represents the reality of this wonderful capital city. You deliberately misrepresented Bulgaria for your own political gain. Without doubt if the Bulgarian press had acted in the same manner, focusing only on the deprivation of British inner-cities – You, Yes you Mr Farage would be most outraged. Let’s take a closer look a Britain, a place where there are 3.6 million British children living in poverty today. That’s 27 per cent of our own children, or more than one in four. Bulgaria’s official poverty statistic ‘for all’ equates to what we have just for children!

And of Bulgarian political corruption, other than of course your own elected MP lying to his electorate and switching party afterward. Have we really and conveniently already forgotten that on 20th May 2009, Harriet Harman announced the creation of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, this intended to manage Members’ expenses ending the historical self-policing by MPs of their expenses.

Below just some examples of British parliamentary corruption that I’m sure the Bulgarian population will find most amusing:

The Crown Prosecution Service announced on 19 May 2010 that Labour MP Eric Illsley would be charged with three counts of false accounting; he was also suspended from the Labour Party. It was revealed Lord Taylor of Warwick, a Conservative peer, had been charged with six counts of false accounting. On 13 October 2010 it was also announced that former Labour MP Margaret Moran would also be charged with false accounting, while on 14 October 2010 former Minister of State for Europe and Labour MP Denis MacShane was also referred to the Police – as a consequence of which he was also suspended from the Labour Party. Three Labour Peers were suspended on 18 October 2010 due to their expenses claims: Lord Bhatia was suspended from the House of Lords for eight months and told to repay GBP 27,446; Lord Paul suspended from the House of Lords for four months and ordered to pay back GBP 41,982 and Baroness Uddin faced a police investigation for alleged fraud for claiming at least GBP 180,000 in expenses by designating an empty flat, and previously an allegedly non existent property as her main residence. She was suspended from the House of Lords until the end of 2012 and required to repay GBP 125,349.

In reference to these ‘Bulgarian Hordes’ whom you claim will swamp our country. In actual fact more people are leaving than arriving and within this number I include myself. I have left Britain and have no intention of ever returning. I would not trade in my new life here in Bulgaria for anything Britain could now offer. It doesn’t have anything to offer. The only jobs that the majority of immigrant EU workers do are the worst and lowest paid on offer – the jobs that the British themselves will not do. The same jobs that you and your right of centre buddies like to claim do not exist – but are now somehow suddenly found and stolen by ‘foreigners’.

Britain is a much greater country because of the historical and essential input of our ethnic minorities and foreign labour. Since Bulgaria’s EU membership in 2006 over 30,000 British nationals have purchased property in Bulgaria – Sorry to contradict you but actually we’re all leaving Britain – and I left because of people like you.

Bulgaria is an amazing country, it is full of the most welcoming and beautiful people that I have ever met and you clearly know nothing about it. We ‘The West’ throughout the Cold War undermined Bulgaria and other socialist countries at every opportunity and now that the wall has fallen it is not without just cause (as one of the so called ‘richest countries’ in the world) that we help its people to build a better brighter future.

In protest at your remarks I was going to organise a boycott of British goods but sadly I couldn’t find any to boycott.

But I will say this: You achieve nothing by your racist xenophobic comments other than to further isolate what was a great nation into a ‘backwater has been.’ We need Europe and we need immigrant labour, without which many British industries would and will economically fail. I am a Federalist, I would like to see a borderless and united Europe built upon firm Socialist principles and monetary union.

We agree on one thing, this that you and I could not be further apart on the political spectrum. Please stop claiming that you represent the ‘will’ of the British people – you do not.

Yours,

Jonathan Taylor

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Here is  the letter from Ms. Behar to Nigel Farage:
Bulgaria: Mr. Farage, Come to Bulgaria to See You Are Wrong

UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage has renewed with a vengeance his criticism of Bulgaria in a bid to fuel fears over new immigrants, coming as of 2014.

Speaking last week on BBC’s Question Time, Nigel Farage slammed Bulgaria as a country in a terrible state, where the judiciary is not independent and the mafia basically runs the economy.

On Monday Ralitsa Behar, a young Bulgarian lady, who lived and studied in the UK and chose to go back to Bulgaria and build a career here instead of the UK, circulated to the media an Open Letter to Nigel Farage.

Following is the full text of the letter:

Dear Mr. Farage,

My name is Ralitsa Behar and I am a Bulgarian.

I decided to write to you, because I was surprised by your comments on the BBC1’s Question Time on January 17, 2013. As a person who is Bulgarian, lived and studied in the UK and chose to go back to Bulgaria and build a career here instead of the UK, I wanted to take a stand on your statement regarding Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants and explain why I chose to go back to my home country.

Firstly, I would like to introduce myself and explain my reasoning behind this letter. When I was 18 years-old and was finishing high-school, I decided to continue my education abroad and applied to several universities throughout the UK. I got offers from 4 universities, but finally decided to take upon the offer from the University of Edinburgh, studying BSc (Hons) Mathematics and Business Studies at the School of Mathematics. It was a very proud moment for me and my family, as at it was, and still is, one of the most elite universities, ranked number 20 in the world at that time.

I lived in Edinburgh for 4 years and finished my studies successfully, gaining a 2:1. I can say that I was one of the active students and tried to get the best out of my time in university. I was participating in university societies and their committees, I volunteered in a charity, raising funds for cancer research; I also spend 2 months interning in firm in London, and was later on offered a job position.

I have always appreciated everything that the UK has given me. Firstly, as an EU citizen, I was supported by the Scottish government and did not pay any tuition fee. This was a huge financial relief for me and my family, although we still spent over GBP 50,000 for living expenses. As a student, I was also entitled to free healthcare service, although thankfully I never needed it as much. I also appreciate the fact that I had the opportunity to live and study in one of the best places in the world – I find Edinburgh an incredibly charming and beautiful city with great atmosphere; and the University of Edinburgh – a truly astonishing institution with almost 500 years of history, with great teachers and amazing state-of-the-art facilities.

My strong connection to the UK is the reason why I decided to write this letter. Although I try and understand your immigration concerns, I must admit that I found your comments on Bulgaria untrue and somewhat insulting. In fact, they are only reaffirming my opinion of the wrongful idea that people in the UK and around the world have about countries in Eastern Europe.

I want to clarify, that I am far away from thinking that Bulgaria is doing as well as I hope it would be. I do not live in a bubble where I think that everything here is perfect – I understand our problems with our government, our law system, our education and healthcare systems. Living in the UK for so long only made me realise how much more we need to do, to learn and to grow to make our country better. Nevertheless, I have to disagree with some of the false information that you shared during your appearance on the show.

Firstly, the data that you stated on Bulgaria is untrue:

You said that the average monthly salary in Bulgaria is 200 Euro. According to the National Statistical Institute of Bulgaria, the average monthly salary in the country for the last quarter of 2012 is 754 Levs, which is 385.5 Euro, almost double the number that you said.

You said that the average monthly pension in Bulgaria is 100 Euro. The average monthly pension for 2012 is actually 138 Euro.

You said that almost 50% of the people in Bulgaria live in poverty, however, the number is untrue; it is about 27%, almost two times less.

I was very surprised to hear such false data as I was thinking that a politician as yourself would take the time to check this information, as it is easily accessible online in English.

Nevertheless, I must say that not only the untrue data that you stated on national television bothered me. I believe that statements such as “If I was a Bulgarian, I would be packing my bags now, wanting to come to Britain are bold and somewhat inappropriate. And since you were focusing on the problems in our country and why we would choose to come live in your country, let me tell you why I chose to “pack my bags, wanting to go back to Bulgaria”.

Firstly, Bulgaria is a country with great potential. I am a firm believer that young people, who study abroad should come back to Bulgaria to pursue their career goals. Having a degree from a foreign university, I realised that my know-how would be much more needed here, than in the UK. After all, we are the future of our country and I believe that we are the ones who can bring this country forward.

In this respect, I would also add that my knowledge was much more valued in Bulgaria. One cannot deny that there is fierce competition in the UK labour market and it is incredibly hard, even for young people with good education, to get jobs which will allow them to be financially independent.

Furthermore, I believe that Bulgaria provides much more opportunities for businesses. When in university, I wrote my dissertation on family businesses in Bulgaria since the fall of communism in 1989. One of the conclusions from my research was that there was, and still is great demand for the creation of small and medium enterprises in Bulgaria and one of the great benefits of doing this is the fact that we have the lowest flat tax of 10% in Europe and only a 5% dividend tax rate. Additionally, it is easy to quickly launch a nеw company in Bulgaria as the founding capital required is only 1 Euro.

I would like to say that with this letter I wanted not only to correct the false information that you stated on television; I also wanted to explain that not all Bulgarians and Romanians that come to the UK are “unskilled workers”; and even if they are, they also contribute to your economy. I also wanted to take this opportunity to invite you to visit Bulgaria as a guest of me and my family, so that we can explain to you how much our country has changed over the past 20 years and see for yourself the potential that we have to grow even more in the future.

Finally, I want to clarify that this letter was written with good intentions. I hope that it shed some light on the issues that you discussed regarding Bulgarian immigrants and I would be very thankful if I receive a reply from your behalf.

Yours sincerely,

Ralitsa Behar

You may wish to read up more facts on the issue as below:

Open Letter to UKIP’s Nigel Farage on Insulting Bulgarians

Letters to the Editor | March 14, 2013, Thursday | Viewed: 1911

Dear Mr Farage, …

UKIP MEP Visit to Sofia Incites Bulgarian Politicians Clash

Bulgaria in EU | February 8, 2013, Friday | Viewed: 1762

British MEP Paul Nuttall, deputy leader of the UK Independence Party, gave a press conference in Sofia which turned into a clash between two Bulgarian nationalist politicians….

Farage Responds to Ralitsa Behar: You Are Right to Love Your Country as I love Mine

Society | February 6, 2013, Wednesday | Viewed: 2053

“I am pleased my comments have helped create a debate in Bulgaria,” writes British politician, Nigel Farage in a response to an open letter from young Bulgarian woman, Ralitsa Behar….

Farage Replies to Ralitsa: “I Want to See Bulgaria Prosperous and Free”

Open Letter | February 6, 2013, Wednesday | Viewed: 5982

UK Independence Party leader, MEP Nigel Farage has submitted to Novinite.com (Sofia News Agency) and Novinite.bg a reply to the open letter sent to him by a young Bulgarian woman, Ralitsa Behar…

MP: UK Derides Bulgarians

Bulgaria in EU | February 5, 2013, Tuesday | Viewed: 894

Bulgarian independent Member of the Parliament, Kiril Gumnerov, voiced indignation about Bulgarian politicians keeping silent all while another EU Member State is deriding Bulgaria….

EC: UK Can’t Ban Bulgarians, Romanians from Labor Market after Jan 1

Bulgaria in EU | February 4, 2013, Monday | Viewed: 1307

The United Kingdom cannot unilaterally ban Bulgarians and Romanians from working there after January 1, 2014, Jonathan Todd, Spokesperson for EU Employment Commissioner Laszlo Andor told Novinite.com (Sofia News Agency) and Novinite.bg….

Bulgarians React with Dismay to British Anti-immigration Campaign

Views on BG | February 1, 2013, Friday | Viewed: 1313

From The Guardian…

Bulgarians Brush Off UK Fears on Migration

Views on BG | February 1, 2013, Friday | Viewed: 1150

From The Financial Times…

UKIP Leader Lashes Out at Bulgaria, Triggers Controversy

Bulgaria in EU | January 28, 2013, Monday | Viewed: 2403

The UK Independence Party leader has renewed with a vengeance his criticism of Bulgaria in a bid to fuel fears over new immigrants, coming as of 2014….

Mr. Farage, Come to Bulgaria to See You Are Wrong

Open Letter | January 28, 2013, Monday | Viewed: 14960

Dear Mr. Farage, My name is Ralitsa Behar and I am a Bulgarian. I decided to write to you, because I was surprised by your comments on the BBC1’s Question Time on January 17, 2013….

As a final point it is worth reitterating the comments of one of the most detailed and meticulous researchers when it comes to UKIP – Barbara Booker, who like myself is an avid supporter of the basic principles of UKIP, back in the days when it had principles rather than a gaggle of largely anonymous low lifes too ashamed of their antics to put their names to their playground style of ya boo bullying and the low grade riff raff that is UKIP’s current staff and leadership team of corrupt ne’er do wells:

This item was published on a corrupt open forum managed under the control of UKIP to whom they respond even when UKIP supporters are repeatedly shown to be liars!

Expose the truth to assist Nigel Farage before:

Nigel Farage walks into any more europhile traps. Didn’t anyone on his staff check out Ralitsa Behar before banging out a response to her open letter that’s given the Sofia News Agency the excuse it wanted to publish a federalist attack on Britain and British euroscepticism? All Farage has done is provide material for any number of ‘Jonathan Taylor’ type replies.

Publication of the Ralitsa/Farage/Taylor letters originated on http://www.novinite.com/ (Sofia News Agency). Novinite was founded by the Bulgarian journalist and public relations expert Maxim Behar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Behar who, “In 1995, according to his love of journalism, he founded the National Association of Journalists for the EU, which he served as vice president and then president until 2001” http://elec.digitalseye.com/maxim-be…l-of-bulgaria/. Not difficult to see where he’s coming from, then!

Ralitsa Behar is his daughter.

Why on earth doesn’t Nigel Farage shell out some of his lavish expenses on employing a half competent PR team to protect him from this sort of thing?

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