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UKIP by election failure & The EU Budget scam

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/11/2012

UKIP by election failure & The EU Budget scam

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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UKIP by election failure when EVERYTHING was in their favour
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The EU Budget scam!

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Hi,
as UKIP results were almost exactly as I had predicted in the by election at the moment I shall give their catastrophic failure the attention they deserve – though I may revisit it irrelevant as UKIP has again proved to be.
Even in Rotherham where with absolutely everything in their favour they achieved a risible 1/2 as many votes as the Labour winner at a time when the high profile Labour candidate had had to resign for corruption and theft from the public purse and the coalition was incredibly unpopular as they were forced to make cuts to patch up the damage done by the crass, incompetent and dishonest Labour party in 13 years of self indulgent, irresponsible and misrule!

When it comes to cuts ‘you aint seen nothing yet’ and the weak kneed and untrustworthy LibDims are already buckling under the strain – yet UKIP totally failed to make a showing despite the idiocy and PC corruption of Social Services over the undeniable racist stance of UKIP relative to SS fostering rules.

UKIP’s failure requires little further explanation at the moment in the light of general misunderstanding of the EU budget discussions, which I had not so far addressed as I was playing hospitals.

Nikki Sinclaire‘s public statement on the matter on her blog was correct in as far as it went and showed the irrelevance in simple terms:

 Nikki Sinclaire MEP statement as EU budget talks are called off:

Nikki said, “The EU pantomime has taken its Christmas break, while austerity is enforced across Europe, our so called leaders can’t make cutbacks to its own budget, while forcing draconian austerity members on the people of the EU”.

The We Demand a Referendum MEP added, “Isn’t it about time that the people of the UK had a say on whether they wanted to contribute to the EU
Isn’t it about time we let the people decide
Posted by Nikki Sinclaire MEP at Friday, November 23, 2012

I opted to comment further to clarify and state my belief of how clearly corrupt The EU is:
Greg_L-W.25 November 2012 03:45

Hi,

    it is worth considering that there was absolutely no intention of reaching agreement on the budget at this meeting and that the plan was that every National newspaper could publish the crud fed them, as designed by The EU Commission in cahoots with the corrupt, if unprepossessing bureaucrats who run our lives.

    Each National paper, in the 27 vassal states, seemingly have declared their leader to have done well in refusing to agree a budget, a budget that would not have suited their peoples!

    After the Xmas break they will ensure distraction that permits the budget to go ahead agreed by all in a pretence they obtained the best deal for their country.

    The media need a story and have deadlines and they are fed the story at the last minute by EU propaganda spin doctors – a story that fits their needs and has them thanking the hand that feeds them.

   A story which was written long in advance to present the schehrade planned and enacted, at the expense of the duped serfs, over gourmet food resplendent luxury and expensive wines!

    Journalism is long dead, as stories are not investigated but bought from corrupt police and untrustworthy public servants, as papers and the media in general so frequently publishes the EU’s handout propaganda verbatim, as press releases are issued to be timed minutes before deadlines and who would want to miss out on the great dollops of EU funded bribes by bucking the hand outs!

    Boris Yeltsin was an expert at this idea and would remove accreditation from any journalist who failed to publish his press releases or dared to criticise their content.

    Any EU based journalist who is left out ny the bureaucrats and receives no further hand outs and titbits, all suitably worded, will lose his job as his paper is forced to replace him with someone who is fed the stories in future.

    The EU budget will be agreed in a planned last minute settlement!

    The results are no doubt already printed merely allowing for release at some auspicious time in the future.

    These are the pragmatic realities of the utterly corrupt manner in which The EU moves forward lurching from one beneficial crisis to another ever tightening the ratchet of control and extortion on its vassal states and its bribes and handouts to those who comply with the scams.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

I do not for a moment claim this to be the whole story but clearly it reflects the style of governance in this obscene self serving scam amongst its self selected political elite and the con they pass off as democratic!
The EU is clearly the most staggering swindle in the history of mankind – a giant Ponzi Scheme not content with dishonestly stealing money from the public and then printing amounts suitable to fit their scams, thereby forcing prices up in all areas and debasing the value of the currency in the hands of the long suffering peones – this scam has reached such epic proportions they have issued two entirely artificial fake currencies to further fund their personal ambitions and the idiocy of the political elite!

They invented the now collapsing EUro the days of which are now severely limited by its own failure and a further attempt was made to invent a fake global currency of exchange with the utterly corrupt and clearly contrived ‘Carbon Currency’ of no value nor legitimacy being merely a methodology of transfering currency from the poor to the rich in return for absolutely nothing!

It is quite astonishing that some people still believe that IGCs and Budget Conferences have any meaning whatsoever as they are just the play acting and flim flam of a collection of sordid crooks with no moral mandate to spend one cent of OUR hard earned money!

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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01594 – 528 337

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance
&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Deny the self serving political clique ANY Democratic claims to legitimacy
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
.
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

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A Summary of UKIP’s Plight & Failure as a Party

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/11/2012

A Summary of UKIP’s Plight & Failure as a Party

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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A Summary of UKIP’s Plight & Failure Past, Present & Future as a Party with its clear lack of leadership!

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when a point has been well made it is never a good idea to make it all over again and risk diluting its validity and it is for that reason that I quote the words of Team Junius on their blog:

UKIP: Words of Wisdom

Forget all this nonsense about UKIP surging in popularity. We’ve heared it all before. Year after year we are told by Farage and his useful idiots that UKIP is about to make it into the major league. And every year ends in failure and defeat. We were told that UKIP would win seats in Westminster. They didn’t. We were told that they were going to win seats in the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament elections. They didn’t. We were told that Farage would win in Buckingham. He didn’t. We were told UKIP would see members elected as police chiefs. They weren’t. We were told that UKIP would win the Corby by-election. They didn’t. And the same goes for Rotherham.
To quote Junius on UKIP at: CLICK HERE

Here are some words of wisdom from The Telegraph regarding this false dawn BUT and it is a very big ‘BUT’ the article which is a blog published on the Telegraph web site and NOT an article for a professional journalist on the Telegraph pay roll.

The Telegraph hosts a number of blogs as an internet host and does not neccessarily endorse the views or veracity of these blogs.

That said, in principle I do endorse the comments and have republished them as a fair and reasonable account of the inevitable long term failure of UKIP following on the abject failure in domestic politics to date:

Ukip aren’t surfing a wave:

they’re standing in a rockpool,

watching the tide go out Ukip aren’t surfing a wave. 

Don Farage squares up to the EU windmills

Sorry, but it isn’t going to happen. In 1983 the SDP were going to break the mould of British politics; they didn’t. In 1989 the Greens were going to transform the British political landscape; they couldn’t. And in 2015 the great Ukip breakthrough will disintegrate upon the unyielding wall of electoral reality.

This morning the Tweed Army are on a roll. They are surging in Rotherham on the back of the fostering scandal. As this paper reports today, no fewer than eight Tory MPs are said to be in discussion with Sir Stewart Wheeler about possible defection. And opinion poll after opinion poll shows Ukip snapping furiously at the heels of the flatlining Liberal Democrats.

It’s a false dawn. However noble their cause, or steely their resolve, Nigel Farage and his irregulars are marching towards defeat.

Ukip are not a political force, but a political curiosity. In years to come many a pub quiz trophy will be won by those who can correctly answer the question: “What was the name of the guy who ran the anti-EU party? Begins with an N.”

In life there are rules. What goes up will come down. The Earth rotates around the Sun, not vice versa. And come election time, minor British political parties get squeezed out of existence.

It may not be fair. It may not be healthy. But them’s the facts. And unfortunately, they are immutable.

Of course, come June 2014, when next year’s European votes are counted, there’s going to be a whole lot of muting going on. Ukip will be in the process of recording their greatest ever election triumph. The Tories will have been beaten into a humiliating third place. Eurosceptic MPs will be fanning out across the airways demanding action and the summary execution of Ken Clarke.

And then nothing will happen. A year later Ukip will run, they will fight and they will lose. There will be no Ukip MPs. Their impact on sitting Tory MPs will have been negligible. They will have 3 or at a stretch 4 per cent of the vote to show for their efforts.

How can my cold, Leftist eyes penetrate the political crystal ball so clearly? Well, for one thing, I’m not a Ukip supporter, so I’m unencumbered by the hope and expectation attending several of those currently predicting a national outbreak of Farage Mania.

The truth, if you care to look for it, is out there. Firstly, there is the electoral system. Ukip cannot make a breakthrough in 2015 because the system they will be fighting under has been specifically designed to prevent them from making that breakthrough. It was not built to further the political ambitions of free spirits such as Citizen Farage. It was created to crush them underfoot; and so it will.

 

Then there is the second big problem facing Nigel Farage’s party: he hasn’t got one. In relative terms, Ukip have no money, no infrastructure and no activists. They have no organisational expertise, no strategy expertise and no policy expertise. Yes, they punch above their weight in the media, but that’s because much of the media is instinctively sympathetic to their agenda, not because of any presentational acumen. Not so long ago Ukip’s idea of a communications strategy was to wind up Robert Kilroy-Silk and let him go.

Then there is a third obstacle. Ukip are a single-issue organisation, campaigning on an issue most voters couldn’t care less about. According to Mori’s latest issue tracker, only 5 per cent of voters regard Europe as one of the most important issues facing the country. At the time of the 1997 election that figure stood at 43 per cent. Ukip aren’t surfing a wave, they’re paddling in a rock pool watching the tide go out.

People can spend the next couple of years preparing with mounting excitement for Ukip’s moment. But come the next election, the fix will be in. That tiny percentage of voters who rate Europe as the defining issue will have a clear choice. The EurowaryEurophile – if not fully obsessive – Prime Minister Miliband. Nigel Farage – no debate, no money, no activists, no infrastructure, no hope of a seat, never mind power – won’t get a look-in.

That’s the problem with being a lone warrior. It’s lonely.

To read the original: LINK

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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01594 – 528 337

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance
&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Deny the self serving political clique ANY Democratic claims to legitimacy
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
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to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

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UKIP Racism, The Social Services & Common Purpose

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/11/2012

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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 

is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

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 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

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Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Deny the self serving political clique ANY Democratic claims to legitimacy
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
.
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

tel: 01594 – 528 337
Accuracy & Copyright Statement: CLICK HERE
Summary, archive, facts & comments on UKIP: http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.com
DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar< & The Top Bar >PAGES<
Also:
Details & Links: http://GregLanceWatkins.Blogspot.com
UKIP Its ASSOCIATES & DETAILS: CLICK HERE
Views I almost Totally Share: CLICK HERE
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Article 50 revisited!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/11/2012

Article 50 revisited!
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Article 50 revisited! Courtesy of Dr. Richard North, Christopher Booker and further to CLICK HERE!!

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Hi,
my postings and attention have been a little distracted, for which I apologise, as I have taken a few days off to have a heart attack – IF you are interested there are further details on my health blog at: http://greglw.blogspot.co.uk
Back at home I have taken some time in catching up with the vagaries and stupidities of UKIP leadership and their foolish willingness to preen in faux praise like performing monkeys and small children.
So those who wish for a more accurate assessment of recent events may find the articles on UKIP racism, extremism and right wing bigotry at:
http://EUAlliance.blogspot.co.UK
or:
or consider:
CLICK HERE
and those wishing to be informed may wish to consider the press articles and comments on various publications of interest at:
The Essex Press: CLICK HERE Or CLICK HERE
or the Derbyshire press at:
CLICK HERE Or CLICK HERE Or EVEN HERE
Clearly UKIP has had great good fortune in the stupidity and utterly irresponsible behaviour of Social Services at Rotheram which will, in the short term boost UKIP’s candidate Jane Collins far beyond her democratic merits as just another corrupt and undemocratic placement by UKIP leadership, and the time scale of the good fortune is excellent as it permits no time for responsible journalists to actually expose the undeniable dishonesty, corruption and racist associations.UKIP will of course be used, by flattery, as apawn to bring pressure on the government if not embarrassment as it is this level of childish tittle tattle that sells newspapers in a period between elections.

Clearly since we speak of a Yorkshire by election it is worth being minded of the old Yorkshire saying of:
‘The higher up the tree the monkey climbs
The more you see its ‘R’s.’Oh how very true of UKIP leadership who are such simpletons they are to vain to believe they are merely being used – Clearly there is not a wit of danger that someone so irrelevant and corrupted as Jane Collins could be elected so to make much of the situation for column inches and sales is merely journalistic mischief making.

On the more weighty issue of the desire of the common members of UKIP and most of the British peoples to Leave-The-EU the merits of a Referendum, a Royal Commission and Article 50 are of far greater significance than the idiotic and irresponsible behaviour of Farage, Bloom, Batten, Michael Fabricant and the like whilst UKIP’s sole performing monkey of any merit is still Nigel Farage as shown by thwe incompetence of Paul Nuttall in the media or the light weight and incompetent input of UKIP’s spokeswoman on the regional section of Andrew Neill’s programme on Sunday where her irrelevancy and ineptitude is writ large from 40 minutes onwards at: CLICK HERE

I have written on numerous occasions of the importance of Article #50 but permit me the indollence of merely republishing Richard North’s most recent piece on the subjest which makes many of the relevant points and also points out just how crss are those supposedly advising UKIP’s leadership!

EU politics: another modest proposal

Monday 26 November 2012

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On 7 July 2012, Booker raised the issue of Article 50, as a means of withdrawing from the EU. The piece drew a response from “veteran campaigner”, Torquil Dick-Erikson, in the following terms:

Article 50 is a trap: In the typical Napoleonic-state style, with one hand it purports to grant a right, the right to withdraw from the EU, but with the other hand it restricts it, so much so that it reduces it to nothing. The catch, hidden within article 50, lies in the two-year waiting period that a withdrawing state must wait before it can consider itself sovereign once again, if no agreement on the terms of withdrawal is reached with the others.

He was answered (by me) thus:

I would suggest that you have misread the Article. The two year period is a maximum, unless there is an agreed extension. See 50(3):

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

In this instance, Torquil did not respond to the comment. But again, this time on 24 November 2012, Booker raised the issue of Article 50. And we got this from Torquil Dick-Erikson:

What Booker does not deal with here is the fact that Article 50 imposes a forced 2-year waiting period on any State that announces its intention to leave, and that does not wish to supinely accept the terms that the remaining EU would want to impose on it …

Christopher Booker has raised the idea of using article 50 before in his column. And here he is doing so again. I hope that next time he will deal with the issue of the enforced two-year waiting period that is imposed by this article. An imposition that prevents us from conducting negotiations for a new arrangement from the strong position of regained sovereignty.

Again he was answered:

Article 50 does not impose “a forced 2-year waiting period on any State that announces its intention to leave”. The article actually says:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

It thus sets a maximum timescale for the negotiations, of two years, which may be extended by mutual consent.

As before, Torquil did not respond to the comment. Instead (and as before), he e-mailed his own comment – and only his comment – to a select group of activists, reinforcing his own view that the only way to leave the EU was to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 – a proposition with which his correspondents completely agree.

My response last time was to note that there is a group of eurosceptics imbued with an absolute determination to fail. To keep the faith, they confine their discussions to themselves, never engaging in debate with anyone outside their circle. However, their malign influence on the likes of UKIP ensures the currency of a policy line – immediate withdrawal from the EU – which hands the game on a platter to the other side.

They offer a strategy guaranteed to maximise the disruption and uncertainty, reinforcing the europhile claims that leaving the EU would be a “disaster”. Under the terms of our eurosceptic clique, it most certainly would be so.

Out problem is that, as long as this self-deceiving rump of eurosceptics maintain their position, the likes of David Cameron can appear entirely reasonable in rejecting the idea of withdrawal. Only if they offered a well-structured exit plan, aimed at minimising disruption, would the eurosceptic doctrine pose a real threat.

There, of course, Mr Cameron has a way of completely neutralising the eurosceptic threat, if he choose to take it. With his very substantial resources, he could devise his own exit plan, couched in such terms as to make it clear that we would no longer be members of the EU, but defining a new relationship that was very litte different from full membership.

That would involve the UK withdrawing from the existing treaties which place our nations in the EU, instead forging a new treaty which would have the UK in alliance with the EU. That would entirely confirm with the traditional British policy towards Europe – interested but not absorbed.

Currently, in the pages of the Independent, Tory MP Michael Fabricant advises Mr Cameron to do a deal with UKIP. He should, the Conservative vice-chairman says, set out plans for a referendum on EU membership in exchange for UKIP not standing in the next general election.

On the other hand, there is no need for a referendum. Instead, Cameron could invoke Article 50, offering precisely the “new relationship” with the EU which he professes to want. This would bury UKIP completely. A Conservative Party, genuinely seeking a new settlement with “Europe” would leave Farage and his not-as-merry-men completely stranded, electorally isolated with nowhere to go.

However, there is another, perhaps more important reason why Cameron should take this line. Apart from the electoral advantages, which could guarantee him victory at the next general election, the constant bickering over EU membership is a dangerous distraction from the business of government. In order to focus on the issues at hand, this issue needs to be settled – and it will not go away of its own accord.

Invoking Article 50 and negotiating a new relationship with the EU is entirely compatible with Conservative Party policy, and with Mr Cameron’s personal aspirations. The fact that it is an option so hated by the eurosceptic groupescules could be taken as a bonus.

Richard North 26/11/2012

IF you wish for further direct comment on the issues surrounding Article 50 you may follow up at CLICK HERE
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The Maths Land UKIP Deeper in the mire!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/11/2012

The Maths Land UKIP Deeper in the mire!

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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The Maths Land UKIP Deeper in the mire!
Showing the abject failure of UKIP however imaginitivly they try to spin the facts!

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Hi,
my thanks to an anonymous poster from Preston but the facts he has gathered show all too clearly just how catastrophic are UKIP’s results as he has collected together UKIP’s best ever by Election results.
These results show that in a 20 year period UKIP has risen to utter obscurity as far as the ballot is concerned – there just aren’t that many votes left for also rans!With a mere 5,108 votes as the highest they have ever had apparently it shows they are nowhere near getting a parliamentary seat in domestic elections in any meaningful foreseeable future.

UKIPs best by-election results (in terms of percentage share) Margot Parker (Corby, 2012) [14.3]
Jane Collins (Barnsley Central, 2011) [12.2]
Glenn Tingle (Norwich North, 2009) [11.8]
Stephen Allison (Hartlepool, 2004) [10.2]
Nigel Farage (Bromley etc. 2006) 8.1%
Simon Zeigler (Cardiff South and Penarth, 2012) [6.1]

In terms of actual votes

Margot Parker (Corby, 2012) 5,108
Glenn Tingle (Norwich North, 2009) 4,068
Jane Collins (Barnsley Central, 2011) 2,953
Stephen Allison (Hartlepool, 2004) 2,347
Nigel Farage (Bromley and Chislehurst, 2006) 2,347.

From another perspective one could rate their failure in what position the achieved relative to the only position of ANY value:

Jane Collins (Barnsley Central, 2011) 2nd
Margot Parker (Corby, 2012) 3rd
Stephen Allison (Hartlepool, 2004) 3rd
Nigel Farage (Bromley & Chislehurst, 2006) 3rd
Glenn Tingle (Norwich North, 2009) 4th

That Jane Collins achieved 2nd. place with less than 3,000 votes shows most clearly just how irrelevant is ANY position other than a win!

The results are really rather predictable in view of the calliber of candidate and the corruption within UKIP’s selection process, which gets worse with every election they fiddle their way through!

Interestingly in the nationwide PCC elections out of 193 candidates for 41 seats UKIP was soundly beaten in ALL seats losing its deposit in most and with a meager 350,597 votes nationwide for a ‘claimed’ 7.3% of the electorate though it is not clear if that was in the seats where they stood or in total – IF for the 24 seats inwhich thwey stood that would put them on less than 4%.

Clearly whichever way they try to spin it their results were risible in EVERY election announced yesterday as with EVERY domestic election in their history having been founded in early 1993.

However it must be remembersed that UKIP is more a cult than a movement and its pretence at being a party has been a joke.

The future, in my opinion, lies in the hands of Independents in one form or another. Party politics is slowly collapsing under the strain of corruption, self interest and dishonesty.

Consider the FACT that no mainstream party has EVER clearly stated their total irrelevance now that over 75% of our laws are undemocratically imposed upon us by a foreign and malign cadre of unelected bureaucrats manipulating self serving politicians to ensure they cancel themselves out and wherein Britain has less than 8% say.

MPs no longer have a job much beyond super annuated social workers listening to grievances of abuse, employment and boundary disputes – even taxation is determined by The EU.

The rebellion will be by the people and through Independents who make a point of being well informed and scrupulously honest and transparent, unlike UKIP and the politicians of the other minor parties or the entire raft of Tory & Labour.

Whilst working towards liberation and giving the people a say these Independents and their supporters will be striving, through initiatives like The Harrogate Agenda and WDAR to ensure the method of politics changes and the decision makingb is handed to the people not the self serving political elite and the civil servants who dedicate their lives and careers to the destruction of Britain for and on behalf of The EU scam.

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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UKIP Election Results Catastrophic – Independents 12 : UKIP 0

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/11/2012

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UKIP Election Results in PCC Debacle AND by elections of 15-Nov-2012 were undeniably Catastrophic – Even Independents gained 12 seats whilst UKIP lived down to pragmatic expectaion and scored ZERO losing the majority of their 44 deposits!

A cruel blow for those who have been so unprofessionally misled by the self serving Farage cult, unaware of the damage they do to the credibility of EUroScepticism!!

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by way of reflection on the catasrophic UKIP results in the various elections held on Thursday 15-Nov-2012 you may find this comment posted on Dr. Eric Edmond’s blog of interest:
for those of us supporting the core principles of UKIP we were again let down by unprofessional leadership, incompetent planning, undemocratic selection of candidates & the normal crass stupidity.

In Corby the result was a risible 14% getting nowhere near being elected despite all the money spent and the idiotic over egging of expectations.

Just how did UKIP think they would get a candidate elected when foisting on the electorate who only vote UKIP as a dustbin for their protest votes and a few willing to hold their noses as they vote to Leave-The-EU.

Just how were they likely to gain votes with an EU lobbyist lately from another party who quite clearly is a political prostitute seeking a way onto the gravy train by raising her profile to be an acceptable Farage placement on the MEP candidate list in 18 months time.

Farage’s placements to be announced at the last minute to ensure democratic choice of members can’t creep in!

Similarly we note Godfrey Blooms wife’s sometime business partner Jane Collins peddling that historic picture of herself (a stunt best known in UKIP as having been used by Janet Girsman and copied by Marion Mason – Derek Clark also uses a similar stunt by using a picture in which he is awake!)

UKIP’s results in the PCC farce were even worse!

Out of 193 candidates for 41 places of over paid & irrelevant party hacks the people spoke loud and clear!

The turnout was the people speaking louder than ever since WWII with 84% totally rejecting the concept of PCCs – Politicians said PCCs would be the voice of the people and what a shock when they heard that voice!

UKIP did particularly badly with not a single candidate rising above the voter rejection in an election where there was every hope they might do well but they failed to field a single solitary credible candidate.

In an election where exposure would seem to have been the key one would have expected Godfrey Bloom to do better than being beaten into 4th. place as I would hazard a guess he has exposed himself more than most – even being banned from hotel chains for exposing himself to urinate in plant pots and arrested for exposing himself copulating with a black prostitute on the bonnet of a car on the public highway we are informed!

A few of us were attacked and ridiculed for our belief that Independent candidates were the future when we set up ‘Independent Leave-The-EU Alliance’ – though clearly we were ahead of our time and under funded our point is made.

In the PCC elections the score was, out of 41, Independents 12 UKIP ZERO.

The abject failure of leadership, risible lack of professionalism, odious corruption and endless pandering to cronies and squabbling with the racist and anti homosexual stance that has led to so much in fighting and back stabbing UKIP has totally let down its core electors and has very clearly failed as a concept.

20 years and they have achieved so very little with less than 30 elected seats of ANY note out of the 19,500 seats available by election!

UKIP keeps making complete fools of themselves with its blow hard clowns pronouncing how well they will do (we heard it in the last election, Barnsley, Corby, PCC, Buckingham elections etc. etc.)

UKIP even make the risible claim they ARE the 3rd. party in British politics when councillors & overseas seats included they have ZERO MPs and less than 30 total whilst even the increasingly unpopular and utterly odious LibDims have over 50 MPs – Whast planet do UKIP leadership live on or are they always drunk!

I know Farage especially employs fools to make him look competent and to praise him but surely he can not believe the drivel he has paid these low grade ingrates to feed him! Next he will have Praise Singers and Jesters (woops I forgot Annabelle Fuller, Mark Croucher, Gawain Towler, Gerard Batten, Derek Clark, Michael Heaver, Douglas Denny, Mick McGough etc. all queued up in their chicken costumes with their inflatable bulldozers and museum military toys, all willing to lie, defame, cheat and dissemble to enhance their rewards!)

Yes Farage as leader of the cult was quite good on Question Time having had 20 years practice as UKIP’s sole spokesman – though clearly he & his hirelings have failed to convince, even when they tell the truth, being slapped down with ease when pointing out that when the EU makes over 75% of our laws & has a bigger bureaucracy than China clearly they ARE responsible for the ills of this country and much else beyond our borders.

UKIP as a Farage cult have proved beyond all doubt the British public don’t trust them with their vote.

I remind you when even the Greens have an MP and the treacherous LibDims have some 50 UKIP has ZERO.

Do not forget in the PCC election UKIP ZERO Independents 12.

Do remember that out of 19,500 seats available by election UKIP after 20 years of utterly incompetent leadership and crass unprofessionalism has failed to get 30 seats of any meaning.

UKIP have become also rans competing with other non entities amongst which are Greens, LibDims, Robin Tilbrook, Plaid and the BNP!

The betrayal by UKIP has been near total! A fact I greatly regret as had they been competent, honest and professionalised they just might have been leading us out of the EU by now – sadly there is no hope of them having a place of any note when we Leave-The-EU with UKIP running along behind desperately trying to jump on the band wagon.

Clearly there are merits to the concept of Independent candidates and IF democracy is to survive, and I dearly hope it does in some form representing people’s wishes and not just politicians ambitions, Independents will and must inevitably rise.

With greater ability for electronic participation the arcane concept of a clique of self serving political party hacks gathering in some foetid chamber are all but over.

With video linking, video conferencing and the added advantage of electronic briefing papers a far greater number of participants and scrutiny can take place and more detailed and immediate voting.

The days of a self serving political elite being free to travel and milk their expenses and libidos in distant cities are near over!

Independents with rated input will present the outlines, facts, details and summaries for debate amongst Independent participants for eventual mass voting.

 

The political parties of today and yesteryear will be no more than a smudge in history books noted for the arcane and unpleasant manner of their life styles and their corruption.

There will be no Tory or Labour Party and LibDims will be long gone (following their present trend) where UKIP never arrived and the odious nature of the lies and distortions of Greens, SNP, Plaid and socialism with its State Broadcasting for perceived central propaganda – ALL swept away.

I am proud that with Niall Warry, Peter Underwood and the support of others I was in the vanguard of the Independent movement which is starting to emerge – I am only sad that some of the hard working supporters of UKIP lacked the foresight and courage to join with us to Leave-The-EU and were too bound up in the unarguably corrupt and unprofessional Farage cult of yesteryear and that so much energy has been wasted supporting the careers of the self serving political elite.

 

Energy that could have been put into building a better tomorrow.

Energy that is being well used by such as Team Sinclair of ‘We Demand A Referendum Party’ and Dr. Richard North, Niall Warry and their Harrogate Agenda movement which meets again in Leamington today – would that I had the health to attend but unfortunately a spin off of the massive treatments and cancer I have had over the last 14+years is insomnia and a tendency to narcolepsy making travel non viable!

I am however only too happy to debate the issues with anyone who cares to and present the issues at any meeting within about a 30 > 40 mile radius of home!

I am also happy to put my case and defend my opinions and statements which would help to add to the assurance that my blogs are open to comment and founded on clear efforts to ensure accuracy and honesty see CLICK HERE

Regards,

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UKIP’s Partner & Farage’s Supporter’s Obscene Racism

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 13/11/2012

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UKIP’s Partner in The Pan EU Political EFD Group & Farage’s Supporter, since Nigel Farage is the founder and leader of this vile EU Group from the gutter of extremist politics, Obscene Racism!

The revolting Borghezio MEP who has praised the views of the mass murderer Anders Breivik, without any meaningful action from either Farage as his leader or UKIP as his partners!

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UKIP’s Partner & Farage’s Supporter’s Obscene Racism

Hi,

I shall take the liberty of permitting a commentator on UKIP & The EFD to put his point of view and factual links confirming the vile racism within Nigel Farage’s Pan EU Political Party Grouping The EFD which UKIP are founding members of!

The posting I have made was first made on Anthony Butcher’s corrupted UKIP controlled public Forum:

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Borghezio rants “Long live the whites of Europe!” at racist rally
On another thread (here: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip…ant-f-ing.html), I have reported Mario Borghezio’s extraordinary racist outburst on Italian radio in the aftermath of Obama’s re-election. This was preceded a few days earlier by his appearance on the platform of an extremist rally in the South of France, where the carte blanche given to him by Farage’s failure to act on the Breivik remarks was also played to maximum and horrifying effect.

Borghezio delivered a racist rant to the annual conference of “Bloc Identitaire”, a far-right and openly racist French outfit which, amongst other things, cynically distributes pork soup each winter on the streets of cities from Marseille to Antwerp (the latter with the help of their Flemish racist allies, Godfrey Bloom’s EAF colleagues the Vlaams Belang), thus cruelly and deliberately excluding Jews and Muslims from their act of “charity”.

Borghezio’s shocking speech has been widely reported in Italian, French, Swiss, Spanish and German media. Several begin with the observation that ““hundreds of far-right activists have cheered the Italian Northern League MEP, Mario Borghezio, for openly racist sentiments.”
I have set out a selection of links at the end of this thread. From those various reports, I have collected the following shameful quotations:

·         “Borghezio yelled at the podium: “Long live the whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race!” “
·         “Mr Borghezio enthused about “our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white.” “
·         “When the country of our flesh is invaded, we must beat up,” he said, inflaming the gallery.”
·         “We live in a cultural genocide that nobody dares denounce apart from us. We will remain masters in our own home!”
·         “How can we accept letting our people die without a fight? Here we have a duty!”
·         He expressed his regrets for the anti-semitic and collaborationist writer Robert Brasillach, who was shot at the end of the Second World War for sharing intelligence with the enemy. “To enthuse ourselves, we must be poets like Brasillach” he interjected, to shouts of “Mario, Mario, Mario …”
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Borghezio – “Multiracial America has won, which I can’t f***ing
The full consequences of Nigel Farage’s moral cowardice during last year’s “Breivikgate” scandal are now starting to be felt.

Readers will recall how Farage was panicked into an attempt to limit the PR fallout from comments made by his racist EFD Group colleague Mario Borghezio in praise of the ideas of Oslo mass murderer Anders Breivik, by threatening first to suspend UKIP’s membership of the EFD and then demanding Borghezio’s expulsion from it, if the Italian did not issue a full retraction and apology – only to sweep the whole matter under the carpet, without any such apology or retraction forthcoming, when Borghezio’s Lega Nord colleagues threatened to walk out en masse and bring about the end of the whole group (president: one N.Farage).

Thus Borghezio was given carte blanche to develop his ideas with impunity. Oh boy, has he accepted it. He made a start by repeating his support for Breivik’s ideas several weeks ago, but in the last few days he has taken his Farage-given freedom to express his disgusting beliefs to quite extraordinary new levels.

Fresh from his racist rant at an extremist rally in the South of France (see separate thread here: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip…ist-rally.html) the previous weekend, he gave a foul-mouthed and equally racist interview last Thursday to Italy’s Radio 24, which has reached the ears of a shocked American media.

The International Business Times’ US edition reports that Borghezio gave us the following pearls of extremist wisdom:

·         “They’ve chosen one of their own. Multiracial America has won, which I can’t f*cking stand, to use a diplomatic term.”
·         “Behind Romney you could see a beautiful, white, Christian America.”
·         “At the time of the Civil War I would have been a Southern hardliner. Who hasn’t seen Gone With The Wind and identified themselves with those extraordinary Southern heroes against those Northern sh*tty faces?”
·         The Ku Klux Klan is “prospering more than ever! (It) may have exaggerated a little,” Borghezio admitted. But that was for a reason, in his view: “It’s all born of the resistance against a multiracial society.”
·         “It’s a little like it was with Clinton: some complete f*cking nobody who suddenly becomes a great figure,” said Borghezio, “(Obama) was a petty lawyer who defended the rights of blacks and nobody knew who the f*ck he was (…) but then he became the puppet of big lobbies.”

The website also reports an earlier incident where Borghezio “was once filmed, during a vigilante raid against prostitutes, spraying water on African women to “cleanse them””.

The link to the original article is here: http://www.ibtimes.com/italian-polit…tand-it-868170

An audio clip of the original interview (in Italian), can be found here: http://video.corriere.it/borghezio-o…2-5e60eba3a55f

I hope Mr Farage is proud of his cowardice. But surely he cannot sit in the same grouping as this appalling man any longer. If Farage’s regard for his “presidential” position in Brussels continues to prevent him taking swift action, perhaps his UKIP MEP colleagues will take it for him.

Sadly several supporters of UKIP have stepped forward in support of the odious racist Borghezio on Anthony Butcher’s sordid forum which willingly supports and harbours lies, distortions and corruption and the defamatory and unethical cowardly members too ashamed to use their own names as they befoul the site and demean UKIP, destroying its credibility!

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Dr. Eric Edmond’s comments on Farage on HIGN4U

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 12/11/2012

Dr. Eric Edmond’s comments on Farage on HIGN4U

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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Dr. Eric Edmond’s comments on Farage on Have I Got News 4 yoU & my additional statements of fact & opinion!

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“Farage on HIGNFY – pass the sick bag Mabel”

A bravado performance of false bonhommie and faked laughter through gritted teeth by NF last night. It was cringe making to watch him calling McShane a scumbag. It takes one to know one Nigel! I am glad they replayed the A Neil clip nailing Farge’s broken promise on publishing his expenses quarterly. Nothing has appeared so far this year.

Farage’s statement that he did not claim expenses from the EU but allowances drew derisive laughter from the audience. They were lauging at you Nigel not with you.

Keep it up Nigel. You are making UKIP a lauging stock every time you go on TV.

posted by Eric Edmond at 01:16 on 10-Nov-2012

Blogger Eric Edmond said…
Farage also seemed to think on Friday that China is the world’s biggest economy. Laugable. Any serious politician knows the US is the biggest and most important economy.11 November 2012 04:28

Blogger Greg_L-W. said…
Hi,I have consistently praise Farage as an entertainer for he is clearly a most accomplished monkey it is his skills as the organ grinder that are so clearly lacking but sadly on HIGN4U this time he let us all down on every count.

Indeed – cringeworthy but sadly he almost always is, he is so very unreliable and so very unprofessional and so very under confident. His propensity to hide in drugs and the beds of seemingly anyone who wishes access to his money is a clear mark of his insecurity – he even has to pay his wife!

Very sad when one considers what huge hope so many of us had for UKIP but our lifeboat to sail us out of The EU has clearly been siezed by pirates, low lifes & ne’r do wells and is no longer fit for purpose.

The sham of historically publishing accounts & being too busy indulging himself to be up to date is an outright lie.

Nigel Farage promised on Meridian TV and elsewhere in 1999 that he would publish full and transparent accounts and not employ family!

Currently Farage pays Kirsten about £30K a year which he DID NOT publish, it took the investigative journalist Daniel Foggo to expose that lie and to date he seems NEVER to have published fully transparent accounts.

Nigel Farage doesn’t even declare his interests and directorships on EU MEP’s declarations – consider ‘Thorn In The Side Ltd.’!

Corruption, incompetence and unprofessional behaviour are hand in hand with racist, xenophobia, failure to honour debts, anti homosexuality and anti Islam as endemic in Farage’s UKIP it would seem!

Their lies make the situation worse!

As a long term supporter of UKIP seeking to clean it up & make it fit for purpose I will continue but many have given up!

Sadly Farage’s party has done huge damage to the credibility of EUroScepticism as provably shown by their risible results in domestic politics with 3 to 8% in elections at a time when the Leave-the-EU vote seems naturally above 50%!

If only they could control Farage & find someone of competence with some gravitas and basic Officer Qualities as a leader!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Thx Greg,I would go along with the spirit of what you have written. The tide is running our way at last. As Bootle says in today’s, 12 Nov, DT,

“It is one thing to give up sovereignty to a body which is honest efficient and prosperous; it is quite another to give it up to one which is riddled with corruption, incompetence and failure”.

The last part of this quote of course applies equally well to Farage’s EUKIP. This is what worries me. As the Euro realistic tide rises our cause will be smeared by numerous ad hominen attacks on Farage. He is a soft target for the Europhile media and we would take that away if UKIP ditched Farage and his Cabal asap. The Eurorealist cause is strong and can be articulated by honest decent ordinary UKIP members.

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Blogger Greg_L-W. said…
Hi,though I agree with you Nigel Farage and his clique and the grybby little claque of, to use Farage’s chosen word for such people ‘scumbags’, have done immense harm to the genuine EUroSceptic movement.

The danger however is that if UKIP were to have a radical prunning of roots and branches to get rid of the self enrichers, the corrupt, the liars, the cheats, the incompetent and the downright vile there would, it seems, be absolutely no one left.

It is clear that of those left in UKIP it is near impossible to identify an honourable individual of any morality much beyond Geoffrey Collier and possibly members of Team Junius as they would seem to be THE ONLY honourable individuals speaking out against the vile behaviour, the disjhonesty and the outright corruption of UKIP.

Let us hope that the widely discussed investigation being conducted by Channel 4 will expose them finally and even put some of its thieves and criminals behind bars, or at very least before the courts.

Sadly it seems UKIP’s present self serving low lifes and ne’r do wells have so over stayed their welcome that they may reasult in UKIP being nothing more than a befouled and grubby smudge in the history books regarding today – alongside their chums The BNP and the gutter politicians of The EU.

Sad as so many of us who supported the core claimed principles of UKIP found we were duped and had been lied to. We had such hopes of liberty!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

12 November 2012 02:56

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What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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Mick McGough makes a fool of himself and demeans UKIP

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Mick McGough makes a fool of himself and demeans UKIP
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The proven liar & cheat Mick McGough makes a fool of himself and demeans UKIP!
YET AGAIN!

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I note the proven liar & cheat on UKIP NEC Mick McGough is promoting all his heroes in one post!
Nigel Farage MEP and Michael McGough

Nigel Farage MEP and Michael McGough (Photo credit: The Freedom Association)

The poor little chaps obsession with John west & Tom Wise is well documented as are his cowardly criminal attacks and cyber bullying and abuse of me.

Clearly Mick McGough hasn’t a shred of evidence to support either his lies or his fantasies about me.

It is interesting to note that he seems to judge everyone on his debased values and assumes no one would act ethically based upon their values and their perception of duty since he clearly would only act in return for reward.

Fortunately this particular unpleasant little idiot is held in low regard by almost everyone it seems and that he is a liar, a cheat and demeans UKIP is proven beyond any doubt.

Here is the odious little man’s latest desperate attempt to defame me as he is unable to debate or provide facts to back his fantasies:

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“To date NO ONE has identified a single dishonest statement or claim that I have made in any of the 1,000s of blogs regarding UKIP or its leadership clique”

To see his post CLICK HERE.

Note the odious fools comments in the light of the published facts CLICK HERE

Clearly the dishonest Mick McGough hasn’t a leg to stand on with his vile and dishonest efforts to defame and does his remaining credibility, if there is any, immense damage.

I note Mick McGough fails to source the comment he quotes, though of course it is true and I am happy to stand by it on any public platform, which of course neither Mick McGough nor UKIP are able to do in their desperate efforts to try to suppress the facts I publish.

Can you imagine what a vile style of Governance they would provide were they ever to be in control of anything – bullying and abusing their opponents and critics when unable to find facts to refute them – whoring and philandering in a drunken stupour on the public purse whilst colluding in theft and abuse of the public purse as they do now!

In their present form UKIP are unfit for purpose surrounded by and served by liars and low lifes many too cowardly to even put their name to the dishonest and misleading lies they publish.

Ukip is a racist, anti Jewish, holocaust denying, anti homosexual, centralised authoritarian party working in association with the gutter scum of EUropean politics as partners – A party repeatedly found guilty of not just telling lies but of stealing public money and being ordered to repay the money they have misappropriated – a party with not a single solitary individual of competence and gravitas who is known to the public. A party befouled by its dishonesty and corruption.

UKIP desperately requires root and branch pruning if it is ever to be fit for purpose – a leadership team which to use its own leader’s words are ‘scumbags’ to the core, one and all!

Mick McGough is merely one of a claque of odious fools and liars acting in self interest as the claque that aids the morally reprehensible behaviour of the self enriching clique of its leadership.
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UKIP Falls Foul of Its Self Inflicted Racist Reputation

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UKIP Falls Foul of Its Self Inflicted Racist Reputation!
Clearly UKIP requires root & branches prunning to avoid widespread ‘Die Back’ & fielding a proven liar like Derek Clark as a spokesperson compounds the problem!!

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Students’ union bans police candidate from session over his UKIP membership

Saturday, November 10, 2012

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By MARTIN NAYLOR

THE University of Derby’s Students’ Union has banned one of the candidates vying to be voted in as the county’s first Police and Crime Commissioner.

The organisation told David Gale yesterday morning that he would not be welcomed at a Q&A session for candidates, which took place at 2pm in the afternoon.

  1. Students from the University of Derby hear from three of the candidates, Alan Charles, Rod Hutton and Simon Spencer, above and below. But the decision to ban David Gale, below centre, has infuriated UKIP leader Nigel Farage, below right.

    Students from the University of Derby hear from three of the candidates, Alan Charles, Rod Hutton and Simon Spencer, above and below. But the decision to ban David Gale, below centre, has infuriated UKIP leader Nigel Farage, below right.

In a series of e-mails sent to Mr Gale by the union, he was told he would not be allowed to attend because it had “a no platform policy for UKIP”, of which Mr Gale is a member.

The event saw the other three candidates, Rod Hutton, Simon Spencer and Alan Charles, discuss crime matters with students.

The students’ union said it had originally invited Mr Gale to speak but he said he may not be able to attend due to other commitments.

Then, yesterday morning, he was sent a policy document which said: “The University of Derby Students’ Union standing orders state clearly in that any member of the union may complain to the union president about an individual(s) who they believe to be a member of a group with racist, fascist or extremist views.

“We received several student complaints around UKIP policies on immigration that included repealing the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.

“The decision was taken by the Students’ Union executive to place UKIP on our no platform list in line with our values and legal documentation.

“We at the University of Derby Students’ Union are proud supporters of No Platform and we uphold the rights of our students to feel safe while studying on campus.

“Part of this is us refusing to share a platform with groups holding extremist views.”

Mr Gale did not want to comment directly about the matter but the decision brought wrath from the head of UKIP nationally.

Nigel Farage MEP said: “It is absurd that this student union feels it has the right to ban a serious national political party from its discussions.

“It is frightening that a Derby student body is so frightened of free speech and public opinion.”

The public go to the polls on Thursday to vote in the county’s first commissioner.

Whoever wins the race will replace the existing Police Authority and have the power to set the force budget.

Derek Clark, UKIP member of the European Parliament for Derbyshire, said: “I thought universities were supposed to welcome all points of view and support freedom and democracy? I would urge the students’ union to look again at their policy as a matter of urgency.”

A University of Derby Students’ Union spokesman confirmed union officials had decided a platform could not be offered to a UKIP candidate because it was not felt that UKIP political views were in line with the union’s values.

He added: “Having been made aware of Mr Gale’s concerns regarding this policy, the UDSU will review its policies and procedures in this area, to further clarify its position.”

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To which my comment on The Derby Telegraph site is:

by Greg_L_W

Saturday, November 10 2012, 2:22PM

Hi,though it is clear that UKIP are corrupt as shown by the lies and serial dishonesty of the local MEP Derek Clark and his being found guilty of missuse of public funds, which he was ordered to repay, a fact he lied about and defamed others to try to cover-up, also that UKIP is indubitably anti homosexuality, anti Muslim and  racist as shown by their own actions and their associations in thwe Pan EU Political EFD Group which Nigel Farage leads – I do believe Derby Students’ Union to be wrong in banning speakers.Derby Uni is funded from taxation and the public purse and should be teaching the values of freedom of speech.UKIP is a perfectly legal party in Britain as are their fellow travellers The BNP – surely here was an opportunity for the students of Derby to expose their corruption and very well documented racism and anti homosexual behaviour and intollerance of religions and superstitions held by others largely along racial grounds.It is my belief that in debate it would have become clear how inappropriate are the views of UKIP once beyond their core principle of campaigning to Leave-The-EU.I would contend racism, anti homosexuality, anti Judaism, Holocaust denial, authoritarian centralised control, cyber bullying and lies are inappropriate at any time – Derby Students’ Union would seem to have abrogated on its responsibility to lawfully and intellectually show that to be the case – they have sunk to the very level of undemocratic nastiness that both UKIP & The BNP currently portray.

I make these statements as a statement of my opinion as a long term supporter of the core principles of UKIP to Leave-The-EU and having researched and exposed UKIP’s corruption over many years. To ban or ignore their corruption is surely cowardice, it is the duty of every patriot to expose and confront such anti British values and not run away and hide placing ones fingers in ones ears as Derby Students’ Union has done.

Many Millions of our forebears have been willing to risk their lives and die to ensure the very freedom of speech that Derby Students’ Union has so glibly tossed asside – is this what level University Education has become debased to in this Twittering, Gaming, accusatory, rumour mongering age, at least invite UKIP and then in a civilised manner present your case and permit them their attempt at defence – research the facts to ensure you can make your case.

UKIP as a party has an attrocious leadership team of unprofessional self serving self enriching ne’r do wells protected by a claque of cowards & creeps angling for personal gain – use debate to expose the truth and help the true supporters of the principles of UKIP make the party fit for purpose, thus supporting democracy and protecting the less well informed and the naive.

I call on The Students’ Union to lift their ban on extremist parties that are legal and recognised for to refuse to is a slippery slope.

How about banning Labour for their dishonesty regarding The Iraq War or their crass stupidity in economic terms, or the war crimes and crimes against humanity of Blair & his cabinet or perhaps ban The LibDims for the lies and failure to uphold manifesto promises and The Tories for their unpatriotic surrender of our law making ability, our justice, our parliament and our democracy to the centralised, authoritarian, unelected bureaucrats of The EU.

Treat all men as equal but by all means expose their corruption in debate.

To follow up on the facts see http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.com

Regards,

Greg_L-W.

AND ALSO:

by Greg_L_W

Saturday, November 10 2012, 2:57PM

“Hi,

Derby Students’ Union’s unsavoury behaviour in banning legal and legitimate political parties, however odious they may be, is all too redollent of the rivalry between Hitler’s Nazi Party & The Communist Party in the early days of Hitlers abuse of democracy to democratically become Chancellor of Germany!

Stalin, Mau, Pol Pot, McCarthy et all have in their time taken the steps to ban or radically limit free speech.

What date will Derby Students’ Union be holding book burnings or do they already descriminate against publications. I presume the glaziers of Derby await the Students’ Union Crystal Nacht with glee.

Are Muslims banned by Derby Students’ Union or Jews, Mormons or other cults and superstitions.

Youth may have its enthusiasms but clearly it has a long way to go before being accused of wisdom!

I do however note, from the picture, that very few of Derby Students’ Union attended to either show interest in the farcical new tier of over paid political bureaucrats or was it that few were willing to endorse the Students’ Union’s crass behaviour?

Next time hire a bigger venue, invite all and pack the place to hear your educated and reasoned debate why extremist parties and racists, anti homosexuals and religious bigots should NOT be selected or elected – That is the way to improve our democracy – call upon the demos to show why partys like UKIP & The BNP are unfit for purpose.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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by Greg_L_W

Monday, November 12 2012, 1:09AM

“Hi,

“by 1750000a Sunday, November 11 2012, 5:37PM”

Sorry but you are ill informed on almost every count – You are just plain wrong!

I for example am neither ex UKIP nor kicked out – I have been a long term supporter of UKIP’s core aim Leave-The-EU and seek to clean it up to try to make it fit for purpose.

UKIP IS racist, UKIP is anti homosexual, UKIP are aided by liars & cowards, UKIP would be catastrophic if put in charge of anything – just look at the bullying abusive style of centralised authoritarian behaviour of its current unprofessional and corrupt leadership.

UKIP does NOT ban extremists and has not only fielded ex BNP members as candidates but has also co-operated with BNP on its NEC to raise the party profile and concentrate power in the hands of Farage.

An ex BNP organiser was Nigel Farage’s election agent.

Nigel Farage is the declared co-leader of the extremist anti Jewish, holocaust deniers, extreme anti Islam campaigners and anti homosexual racists of The Pan EU Political EFD Group of which UKIP are members!

Winston McKenzie who you quote as some sort of display of racial tolerance is a political prostitute who has stood for most parties as a self publicist, an ideal pretence figure as he stand no chance of being elected to or for anything, thus saving UKIP further embarrassment!

I am neither right nor left and most clearly NOT anti Jewish nor anti homosexual or racist and as I said I seek a UKIP fit for purpose with competent leadership, gravitas, political common sense, tolerance of creed race and opinion in largely libertarian terms not the authoritarian centralised abuse of UKIP, with liars, cheats and thieves as a leadership!

I also would remind you that I have already made it very clear I have nothing but contempt for Derby Students’ Union and its delusional and immature denial of free speech and fear of their inability to win a debate on values and matters of principle, resorting to fascist style banning orders – Shame on the Derby Students Union that have so befouled the principles for which those we remember on Armistice Day & Remembrance Sunday gave their lives!

That I make no mention of the candidates themselves is merely a matter of contempt for yet another level of self serving , self enriching and utterly irrelevant politicians!

I shall not be spoiling my ballot paper by pandering to the concept of paying yet more political parasites, when it is training, manners and improved front line services that are required.

I shall express my own values on my ballot paper as I believe there is never a wrong time to do the right thing and will write Leave-The-EU on my ballot paper in my own small attempt to restore democracy to these United Kingdoms, liberated from the obscene and profligate behaviour of the centralised and unelected bureaucracy which makes our laws and increasingly destroys our country from The EU central committee dictatorship.

You are of course at liberty to act as your conscience sees fit within the framework of our democracy and be minded that both UKIP & The BNP are legal parties and thus it is morally reprehensible for a publicly funded organisation to BAN them in the style of the behaviour of the Nazi Party towards their chosen rivals!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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