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#0643* – Praise Indeed Roger HELMER Features Nikki SINCLAIRE!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/08/2011

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Praise Indeed Tory Diehard Roger HELMER MEP Features Nikki SINCLAIRE Independent MEP & her You Gov Poll!

Amusingly he makes much of factions within UKIP and then goes on to show what an irrelevancy The Tories are claiming himself to be in one of the factions!

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I thought it might be a change to quote from Roger Helmer’s blog:

66% of Tories would vote to leave the EU

August 31, 2011, 8:49 am
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A new YouGov poll shows a clear majority of voters in favour of leaving the EU: 52% want to leave, against only 30% who want to stay in.  Amongst Conservative voters, that ratio rises to 66 against 22 — a three-to-one majority.

The poll was commissioned by Nikki Sinclaire, a former UKIP MEP, now independent (and thus a standing monument to UKIP’s factionalism, which has seen several resignations from their MEP ranks).  
Ms. Sinclaire may well have her own axe to grind — indeed she certainly does.  
But nonetheless the poll was conducted by YouGov, no doubt with their usual impeccable professionalism, so I think we have to accept the result.

The poll also shows that 60% of the public (74% of Conservative voters) want an In/Out EU referendum, while only 25% (19% of Tories) don’t.

I put it to David Cameron some time ago that the great majority of Conservatives disagreed with his view that British membership of the EU was in our national interest, and that perhaps he as Party Leader ought to take this into account. 
His reply was uncompromising: he didn’t want an In/Out referendum, because (again) he believed membership was in our national interest.

But you don’t have referenda merely to confirm your prejudices.  You have referenda to give the people their chance to have a say.  There’s something uncomfortably paternalistic in saying, in effect “I won’t let you have your say on this question, because you disagree with my settled opinion, and I happen to know that I’m right and you’re wrong”.

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There’s me thinking I lived in a democracy, the wikipedia definition of which is:
“Democracy is a form of government in which all people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives”

Comment by tonyegghead

Hi,

silly fellow – we shoot, bomb, maim and kill people in sovereign foreign Nations to force such a concept upon them.

The are obliged to accept OUR definition of a democracy down the barrel of a gun or be killed.
Britain on the otherhand is denied such a concept as it would overturn the corruption that is managed and controlled by the self serving politicians and their parasites.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Comment by Greg_L-W.

… and you are still a Conservative? Funny how he was most insistent that we had a right to a referendum BEFORE the election.

http://eyetube.me/play.php?vid=360
Comment by Sue

Roger, given Cameron’s response, what have you actually done about it? If nothing so far, what are you actually going to do about it?
This blog post appears to be nothing more than another ‘tick in the box’, the latest in a long line of gestures that do nothing other than convince your supporters you are ‘sound’ on the EU subject. More people are beginning to ask, to coin a phrase, where’s the beef?
You like to highlight and explain things, so why not post a piece on here explaining to your supporters why you are comfortable with Conservative MPs who claim to be opposed to our EU membership voting in favour of integrationist measures in the House?
Are they just a faction, or are all Tories completely untrustworthy and impotent when it comes to doing what the people they represent want them to do?

Comment by Autonomous Mind

I’m somewhat taken aback by what comes across as a very aggressive attitude towards Roger.
You are referring to Roger supporting Chris Heaton-Harris and his initiative to promote an anti-EU group amongst tory MPs. You shot from the hip then without bothering to check your facts – are you now embarrassed by your journalistic failure and doing whatever you can to paper over the cracks?
I have in the past had respect for your blog – but I’m losing that, fast.
What exactly do you suppose Roger can do? It’s a matter of record that Roger has lost the whip in the past for his stance. He is a conscience politician who is not afraid to speak it like it is. But he’s not superman!

What should be obvious to you right now is that Cameron and Osborne do not listen to anybody so why moan at Roger because he hasn’t persuaded them to change their mind? What can he do that you can’t? Why haven’t you as an influential political blogger forced Cameron into an EU referendum? Where, Autonomous Mind, is your beef?

Comment by tonyegghead

I was about to reply, but Tony Egghead did already! You ask why I didn’t post a blog about the position of Tory MPs — but of course I did. Perhaps you didn’t read it? Se “True Believers”.
Comment by Roger Helmer MEP

Roger, this is what your government has approved and given permission for.
http://www.parker-joseph.com/pjcjournal/2011/08/31/esm-treaty-eu-commission-mafia-at-work/
You have to admit, this is corruption of democracy on a massive scale

Comment by Sue

How come politicians in government never seem to feel the breeze of public opinion wafting around their heads?
I am fascinated by the fact that oft times, said public opinion when as forceful as this, turns out to be right.

Let’s face it, is it likely that so many people could be wrong?
It only takes someone to formulate and present a plan for the safe and economically acceptable withdrawal of England (the UK?) from the EU and there would be even fewer dissenters to the idea of a referendum on the subject and fewer people who want to be European.

Comment by Heather Alibakir

Hi,

I wonder howmany remember the ‘trustees’ in Auschwitz – as Jews aiding their captors they survived for as long as they willingly filled and emptied the the ‘showers’ and the incinerators.
Perhaps they were hoping that the SS would have a change of heart in 40 or so years time!

It is now over 40 years since we first heard the mantra that ‘we mustn’t startle the horses’ and ‘we can change the party’.

I wonder how many others see something of a similarity!

The Tories even came up with the ludicrous slogan:
‘In EUrope but not ruled by Europe’.
I expect many of the ‘trustees’ had their cantors chanting:
‘In the gas chamber but not breathing’, for them!

Perhaps Helmer would care to tell us all EXACTLY what he has achieved in his 12 years as a Judas Goat.

We are all well aware of the very generous bribes and expenses he has received for doing his JOB in those 12 years.

Clearly he has utterly failed to convince EUroRealists, he has duped very few Eurosceptics and it is self evident that he and his cronies have achieved absolutely nothing to Leave-The-EU.

Unable to convince their own side it is hardly surprising they have failed to convince anyone else!
It is our own politicos and their hirelings and parasites in the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy who are the Looters and OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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#0555* – More Details of UKIP & Tory Dishonesty & Corruption

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 16/06/2011

#0555* – More Details of UKIP & Tory Dishonesty & Corruption

 16-Jun-2011 – David BANNERMAN MEP Political Prostitute IS A FRAUD

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#0503* – David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/05/2011

#0503* –  David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP
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David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP!
The Desk Deserts & A Liar Returns To The Tories – No surprise there then!

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David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP

    I predicted this betrayal to Nigel Farage personally BEFORE David Bannerman even joined UKIP.

    He had been an unmittigated disaster as a candidate for the Tories over many years – eventually rising to the dizzy heights of councillor!

    His parents had said to Roger Knapman that ‘he was a worry and they wished he would get a proper job’

    It was not until David Bannerman had got his feet under UKIP’s table as a stepping stone that it became very clear that he was useless, corrupt and a liar.

    Here is David Bannerman’s betrayal statement:
 

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“I have been increasingly impressed by the leadership shown by David Cameron in dealing with this country’s problems. In particular, the Government’s determination to clean up the economic mess left by Labour.
    “Similarly in Europe, I have been pleased with the robust stance taken by David Cameron and Conservative MEPs over the EU budget negotiations and I believe that it is Conservative MEPs who are working hard to defend Britain’s interests. In contrast, as a member of UKIP I witnessed too many colleagues obsess with single issue politics, internal fighting, and shouting from the sidelines. This behaviour does nothing to serve the best interests of the British people.

    “With the recent failings in domestic elections, the ditching of policies and the lack of any credible plan, UKIP has confirmed it is not a serious, credible, fully fledged political party but merely a pressure group. I have been a proud member of the Conservative Party in the past and I am proud to come home to the Conservatives today. Once again, the Conservative Party is proving, as it has so many times before, that it is the only party that can be trusted to sort out Britain’s economy and stand up for Britain in Europe.

    “I stood for the European Parliament because I wanted to work for the best interests of the United Kingdom and my constituents in the Eastern region. I now feel that I can best serve them and their interests as a Conservative member of the European Parliament. Of course, I have not always seen eye to eye with the Conservative Party on every issue.

    I continue to believe personally that Britain should leave the EU but I also believe that while we are members we should fight our corner to secure the best deal possible.”

    Personally I believe that UKIP is well shot of him and have openly stated he was a duplicitous and untrustworthy worm since he joined – this resignation was announced on my blog as a certainty some weeks ago and a probability before he joined UKIP.

Nigel Farage’s lack of leadership skills sadly yet again displays his incompetence as a judge of people.

    I wonder if OLAF inquiry over his fraudulent use of public money to fund Peter Reeve as a Regional Organiser will continue!

    This could be just the catalyst for UKIP to start to clean-up its in house Augian Stable removing the parasites and funded praise singers who act as sychophants surrounding the leadership in return for money and aggrandisement.

    Unless the scum that has floated to the top is removed UKIP will remain unfit for purpose.

    Let us hope Nigel Farage has the maturity to acquit his duty and remain with the party as a performer and stop dabbling in leadership which he has proved beyond doubt he has absolutely no skill at.

UKIP web site as ever has absolutely no news of this and is still carrying stale news of another Farage protege Paul Oakley from Nigel’s home drinking territory! News that is 10 days out of date!!

But David Bannerman’s betrayal is all over the media:

EAST of England UKIP MEP David Campbell Bannerman has left the party and joined the Conservatives.

Mr Campbell Bannerman, who has been an MEP for two years, unsuccessfully bid for the UKIP party leadership last year.

He is now returning to the party he left in 2004, and said he was impressed by Prime Minister David Cameron’s stance on dealing with Europe.

Geoffrey Van Orden, the lead MEP for the region commented: “I know that David will make an excellent addition to the Conservative team, having seen his work as a constituency colleague over the past two years.

“He shares our view that the EU is overblown and heading in the wrong direction. We must do all that we can to trim its sails and steer it on a different course.

“We very much look forward to working with him as we continue to champion the East of England’s interests and the British national interest in Europe.

“We are also particularly pleased that the European Conservatives & Reformists Group, which I am proud to have played a key role in forming, will now become the fourth largest political group in the parliament.”

Labour MEP Richard Howitt said: “UKIP is in disarray, so it’s no surprise that some of its members want out.

“The twice failed UKIP leadership pretender has fallen out with his colleagues and is scuttling back to the Conservatives.”

A spokesman for UKIP said: “David has expressed his admiration for David Cameron, who has announced that he will not give the people of this country a referendum on Europe, because he believes we should stay in. He has some nerve criticising UKIP’s credibility.

“When he was chosen as a candidate for UKIP in 2008, David signed a statement that said that he would “remain as a member of UKIP for the full 5-year term or otherwise retire from the Parliament.

“We call on him to resign, so that we can get a real Euro-sceptic to take his place.”

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#0223* – EU Referendum Campaign Press Release

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#0223* – EU Referendum Campaign Press Release!
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EU Referendum Campaign Press Release
On behalf of the people of Britain The EU Referendum Campaign renews its demand for a referendum on the EU.
Jon Gaunt, spokesman for the EU Referendum Campaign said: ‘Cameron’s boast that he has won a victory by getting EU leaders to promise that they will never again use Article 122 to push Britain into funding the rescue of another failing EU state is at best a pyrrhic victory and at worst a downright lie.
‘Cameron is either stupid or naïve if he believes that this promise (the political equivalent of the football chairman’s vote of confidence in a failing manager) is worth the paper it’s written on.
‘The only way to safeguard Britain’s interest is allow the British people to have a vote on the EU as he promised us in opposition.
‘He should take a look at the Tories own website which still has a page up today promising and demanding a referendum on the EU on it. http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/04/Join_our_campaign_for_an_EU_referendum.aspx
‘On the page Cameron says, “First he was against the Constitution, then he was for it; one day he promised a referendum, the next he backtracked. While he has chopped and changed, our position has remained exactly the same. We are the only major party to have consistently said that it is up to the British people to decide on our future in Europe.”
‘Cameron was talking about Brown on April 27th 2009 but of course the words could be used to describe himself now in December 2010.’
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