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GUEST POST On Ukip Over Simplistic Immigration Lies

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 09/11/2014

GUEST POST On Ukip Over Simplistic Immigration Lies
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Yet again I stress – Ukip#s Over Simplification of the Immigration issue is either blatant ignorance or downright dishonest!

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endlessly we hear Ukip and their fellow travellers showing their ignorance of the immigration issue.
Yet again let us put the facts forward – Firstly if we Leave_The_EU it will make very little difference to our position as a target for immigrants.
Let us go back one small step and get to grips with a couple of irrefutable facts:
  • When I was born at the end of WWII the world population was around 2 Billion.
  • Now in 2014 the world population is over 7 Billion.
  • The world is no bigger now than in 1946 when I was born.
  • The rise in populatin in the last 68 years has led to increased desertification and reduced living space.
  • There is more food now but less well distributed.
OK – let’s stop at those basics for now but let us not overlook just one more basic fact and that is that in a world that strives to avoid war there are numerous worldwide international agreements that deal with refugees, asylum seekers and immigration.
As in almost all other areas The EU does NOT make the laws for Britain or for that matter almost anywhere else!
The EU merely receives laws handed down by such international bodies as The WTO, The WHO, CODEX, The UN, The IMF and a host more such international organisations.
The EU then re presents those internationally binding agreements and rubber stamps them as it puts its impramature on the paper work to pass it off as if it was an EU Law – surely you didn’t think The EU bureaucrats were clever enough to drw up and draft such laws and powerfull enough to impose them on every other Country in the world!
Minded of these facts Ukippers and their racist fellow travellers may find the following article rather easier to understand.

Sunday, 9 November 2014

Leaving the EU won’t solve our immigration problems

Lots of ridiculous articles around about immigration at the moment. On the one hand we have the Ukipist tendency to want to shut up shop and stop engaging with the world, and then you have the equally stupid Marxist view that we can “simply” open our borders to the whole world without any suggestions as to how this might be achieved.

We’re seeing tedious exchanges of migrant numbers and dry economic figures, followed by equally tedious bickering over who’s right. Let’s start with from the position that nobody is right. On the one hand we have a media whose job it is to make money, which means generating hits which means feeding their reader’s own prejudices back to them. So you cobble together a few stats with accompanying pictures of Romanian beggars and then you have a moral panic on your hands which can be marketed and turned into cash money.

Then we get more reasonable studies on the symptoms, and what we find is that these symptoms are eminently solvable. On the one hand you have immigrants who can cut down their expenses by sharing five to a room taking jobs under minimum wage, and on the other a settled community who can’t and shouldn’t have to compete at that level for work, but are then left worse off by leaving the welfare system and taking work – often impossibly so.

We’re seeing a disparity of opportunity here and an unlevel playing field at the bottom of the work ladder. Free market fundamentalists (myself included) would prefer that such an obnoxious and toxic idea never existed, but as a floor price mechanism for addressing the unfair competitive advantage, if properly enforced, can incentivsie work, can generate fair competition and if licensing for houses of multiple occupancy is properly enforced then the economic advantages to coming here to work are significantly reduced. This addresses what is known as the pull factor.

We can also toughen up vagrancy laws so that those who land without having first found accommodation will find that life here is not that pleasant. And let’s face it, vagrancy is a huge problem that does have negative externalities, and a distinction needs to be made between the genuinely homeless and the economic migrants who had some choice in the matter.

There are many small measures we can take that would have an enormous effect on the largely overstated symptoms which would soon collapse the moral panics and take the wind out of Ukip’s sails. So we have to look at why these laws aren’t being enforced. And here’s the kicker… it’s nothing to do with austerity or council cuts.

HMO law has not been properly enforced for a very long time thanks to the, frankly absurd, statutory obligations placed on councils to house people. If you shut down a HMO where there are twenty people living in one house then that places a burden on councils to find the resources to place them, which usually means an expensive B&B because that it the fullest extent of innovation you can expect from councils.

In effect, councils are in a state of paralysis because proper enforcement of the law then magnifies their troubles. Simply building more houses is the simpleton solution in that supply is quite soon taken up and supply can never quite keep pace with demand.

So there’s other aspects we can look at such as the push factor. Many immigrants are escaping war and third world poverty, from places like West Africa, Syria and Huddersfield. In many respects it is our own foreign policy that creates the push of immigration in the first place. In some respects it’s our inexplicable need to drop bombs on things and then even bigger follies such as the EU’s trade policy which has ruined the economy of West Africa by corruptly appropriating fishing rights and sending industrial seabed hoovers to decimate habitats which sustain inshore fishing and exports.

There is also much we can do with foreign aid as a targeted means of international development, but that would mean having a DfD that was fit for purpose and a coherent foreign policy. These matters are not wholly divorced from the EU but not solely EU matters either. But it is a mistake to believe that we can control immigration, or at least mitigate it without engaging in the wider world and even outside of the EU, our own welfare, trade and labour laws have a great deal more of a negative effect than open borders, and that is what creates the perception of problematic immigration.

Then we have the Rochdale and Rotherhams, which again is a good deal more to do with bureaucratic inertia and institutional paralysis, by and large a consequence of not enough subsidiarity, accountability and democracy.

The EU is a problem but it isn’t the whole of the problem, and on balance, EEA zone immigration not only makes us richer but it has also been a huge part of transforming Poland’s economy and in turn will do likewise for Bulgaria and Romania as the remittances start flowing and the cultural and trade advantages thereof.

The fantasy fiction of Marxists is every bit as absurd and toxic as Ukip’s small minded simpleton approach, and seemingly nobody wants to admit the complexity or even attempt to get to grips with the small things that we can do which would be transformational in a very short time. And why is this? It’s simple. Immigration is not at the centre of this debate and it is a proxy for a general disaffection, artificially induced by sensationalist media and opportunistic populist parties.

Our problems are many and multifarious, but I guarantee you the solutions are to be found in very obscure, very dry and distinctly unsexy civic laws. There is no big solution and no single large culprit. To pretend there is as Ukip does is cynical, intellectually dishonest and fatuous. But we’ll get our moronic points based quota system, and I will be completely unsurprised at how little difference it makes – and I will still be repeating myself in twenty years time.

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>GUEST POST: Mark Reckless’s Reckless Casual Racism

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/11/2014

>GUEST POST: Mark Reckless’s Reckless Casual Racism
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>GUEST POST:
Ukip’s Rochester & Strood by  election candidate the Tory turncoat Mark Reckless’s Reckless Casual Racism
regarding Gaddafi’s killing of immigrants on an industrial level!

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I aimed to write of this obscene comment by the turncoat Tory Mark Reckless who is now standing for Ukip, with much expectation of election, in the Rochester & Strood constituency by-election.
In the light of Mark Reckless’ latest ill considered racist remark as detailed, I incline to believe that with an upcoming General Election the Conservatives must be relieved they let him go and he can befoul the reputation of Ukip rather than the Tories!
Having lost my telephone and broadband connection from Sunday evening until late yesterday afternoon, due to the antiquated aluminium cables in my local exchange, I have been struggling to catch up with the follies of Ukip & bringing them to the attention of readers and the media – I therefore have no qualms in dealing with Mark Reckless’ crass and casual racism by copying / Guest Posting an article from another blogger on the subject, with which I largely agree, to assist you in keeping abreast of facts pertaining to Ukip.
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Thursday 6 November 2014

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Spread throughout several newspapers today are the comments from Mark Reckless, former Conservative MP and now UKIP candidate for the Rochester and Strood by-election.

At a rally in the Kent constituency, Reckless – by name and nature it would seem – referred to the growing numbers of migrants trying to make the dangerous voyage across the Mediterranean Sea to Europe. “Whatever people say about Gaddafi”, he remarked, “one thing is he didn’t allow those boats to come across”.

“He had an agreement with Italy that stopped it. Since he’s gone we have no idea what’s going on in Libya, it’s too dangerous for anyone to go there”, he added.

According to the Mail, these remarks are being compared to the famous last excuse for Fascism, “say what you like about Mussolini, he made the trains on time”. But they are far, far worse than that comparison would imply. They are more like applauding Hitler for keeping Jews out of Britain by putting them in the camps – for that is precisely what Gaddafi was doing with migrants passing through his territory – with the complicity of the EU.

Parallels are in many ways absolute. Huge volumes of well-founded evidence, not least from Amnesty, the Global Detention Project and Human Rights Watch attest to the fact that Gaddafi set up many death camps where immigrants were unlawfully detained, tortured and murdered. Many others were trucked into the Sahara and abandoned without food and water.

Altogether, the Gaddafi regime was responsible for the deaths of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of migrants. Yet – despite that – Italy in 2008 concluded a “Friendship Agreement” which had Gadaffi agreeing to step up border controls and to take back “expelled foreigners” from Italy, all in exchange for Italy agreeing to provide Libya $5 billion in infrastructure projects over 25 years.

Italy was already paying for charter flights for Libya to send the people “home”, and had between August 2003 and December 2004 transported 5,668 people to Libya, despite known human rights abuses.

On the back of the agreement, in May 2009, Libya and Italy also launched joint naval patrols in Libyan territorial waters for an initial period of three years, the controversial practice of “push-backs” (respingimento) which was subsequently condemned as breaching human rights law.

Thus, while no one is going to argue with Reckless’s general theses that things are no better in Libya now, after western intervention, to applaud a dictator for his human rights abuses is not the most sensible thing for a politician to do – unless, of course, he represents UKIP.

Enter now Mr Farage who was given the opportunity to implement a deft piece of damage limitation, only for him to agree with Reckless (and incidentally support EU policy), bemoaning the removal of somebody, “albeit an Arab nationalist dictator, who actually gave a level of stability to the area”.

Thus we have senior UKIP politicians applauding a dictator’s use of death camps – a means of immigration control which clearly has the approval of Messrs Reckless and Farage. And with that, it is perhaps unsurprising that UKIP is reluctant to commit its policy to writing – unless, of course, it is waiting for the translation from the original German.

To view the original of this article CLICK HERE
Interestingly there are similarities between certain aspects of Gaddafi’s treatment of immigrants and the published policy of Ukip as shown in their official pamphlet on the subject published by the Ukip MEP Gerald Batten:
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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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#0201* – BRITISH POLITICIANS BETRAY BRITAIN is UKIP A DAY LATE & a $ SHORT?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/11/2010

#0201* – BRITISH POLITICIANS BETRAY BRITAIN is UKIP A DAY LATE & a $ SHORT?!
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BRITISH POLITICIANS BETRAY BRITAIN is UKIP A DAY LATE & a $ SHORT?!
DUE TO LACK of COMPETENT LEADERSHIP UKIP HAS FAILED for 17 YEARS
To Get The Message Out To The People Of Britain – IS IT NOW TOO LATE?!
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This Video is a very helpful tool – Sadly it was produced by the utterly corrupt
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In The EU – for more details of these vile people CLICK HERE

Perhaps YOU can help CLICK HERE

HELP Get Signatures for THE Petition Campaign for An IN/OUT Referendum on The EU.

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