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So Will Ukip’s Biggest Backer Dump The Farage Cult & Back Boris Johnson?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/08/2014

So Will Ukip’s Biggest Backer Dump The Farage Cult & Back Boris Johnson?
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So Will Ukip’s Biggest Backer, Stuart Wheeler, Dump Farage’s Cult following & status & Back Boris Johnson, having raised the profile, and even possibly installing Douglas Carswell at leader of the Ukip rump to facilitate an amalgamation?

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the body language of Nigel Farage, in the walk about in Clacton, belies his braying tones of confidence.
Nigel Farage, leader of Ukip
It does seem all too plain why Farage & his cult may well look worried!
Clearly Douglas Carswell stands every possibility of outshining Nigel Farage’s 21 years of failure to get elected as an MP at Westminster by riding on his Tory popularity that gave him a 12,500 majority in his Clacton constituency. A constituency all too well suited to Ukip and their personality cult as shown at CLICK HERE.
Well may Farage look worried as the last time Ukip had an MP representing them at Westminster was when Bob Spink defected to Ukip also from the Tories and also from an Essex constituency where Essex man seems all too willing to succumb to the blandishments of Ukip’s brand of personality cult soft racism and upholding of arcane values of anti homosexuality, chauvenism and outdated fantasies of what they claim are British values – which are all too distant from the truth when one looks at Ukip’s track record of lies, corruption and bullying, so redolent of the SNP on whom they are so closely modelled it would seem!
It was not long before Bob Spink realised the folly of his ways and scrabbled to disassociate himself from Farage’s style of populism, for the sake of his personal reputation which fell in tatters at the next election!
These were not the only slaps in the face Nigel Farage has had to go with the embarrassment that the only seats Ukip has ever come within a sniff of at Westminster were gifted by the Tory voters of Essex – Now we see Ukip’s biggest backer the professional gambler and old Etonian Stuart Wheeler, who has been attributed the accolade of having engineered Douglas Carswell’s defection to Ukip, though in reality that may have much more to do with a fit of pique and the hissy fit of a thwarted drama quenn when denied a room in the main hotel at the Tory conference than much else.
Though it is widely rumoured that a phone call to Stuart Wheeler the night before he de3fected may well have clinched the deal spurred on by a promise that his electoral expenses would be covered by the millionaire and even the promise of either the clandestine support and funding of a bid for leadership or even a display of overt support to become the leader to make Ukip more palatable to the Tories in a sell out as partners in a coalition when Boris Johnson assumes the mantle of leader should David Cameron be forced out for his bungling of the Scottish referendum or his failure to gain a clear majority in the General Election of 2015.
It can not make sleeping east for Nigel Farage whether at The East India Club or sleeping around EUrope any too east to know that even with his cult following Ukip’s most notable backer ever would seemingly dump him in a heartbeat were Boris Johnson to come to power or challenge for the leadership of the Tories.
Dented as this must leave Farage’s huge ego so many members of his cult are enriched by his position as leader or have hopes of preferment to the gravy train in his gift:
EU MEP Cartoon 03It is all to likely that this will, as when Bob Spink quit in disgust, end in tears – It is even more likely that as Ukip has no room for any ego but Farage’s it will end with blood on the carpet under which for all too long Farage and his cult devotees has swept their soiled behaviour!
Be minded that over the years Farage has built a dedicated veritable army who largely oppose the rabble of ner do wells he has gathered around him, in his efforts to try to shine CLICK HERE or HERE
It is becoming ever more clear the media have little but contempt for Farage using him as a usefull pawn with which to bait the Tories save the likes of Russia Today, Alex Jones, Fox News and various conspiracy THEORISTS who find increasingly his style of schoolboy sneer and bully politics apeals to the underbelly of society just as Alex Salmond does in Scotland!
Increasingly both Farage and Salmond are dependent on those who seek the destruction of these United Kingdoms and are all too willing to bully and bray to achieve it, taking us back in time to a period of divisin and ensuring hatred and poverty if they achieve their aims – I have campaigned tirelessly in the way I am able to oppose membership of the EU and to extricate Britain from its malign clutches only to find that after 21 years of climbing the greasy pole to get their snouts in the trough Ukip have still not the vaguest concept of an honourable exit and survival strategy relative to the EU leaving EUroSceptics and EUroRealists alike bereft of a party to support, that stands the vaguest chance of winning a referendum to Leave_The_EU in the face of the absolute inevitability of the use of FUD (Fear, Uncertaint & Doubt) and the relentless campaigning of the political elite that seeks to keep their snots in the troughs on the odious EU Gravy Train.
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Leading The Ill Informed To The Slaughter!

I would rejoin Tories… but only with Boris as a leader, says mastermind who plotted coup from his castle

  • Stuart Wheeler lit the fuse on the ‘Carswell coup’ over a secret lunch
  • He has been wining and dining a number of dissatisfied Tory MPs
  • Former Tory said he would not return to the party with Cameron as leader
  • But that could change if Boris took over and brought in Ukip-friendly policies

By Glen Owen for The Mail on Sunday

The Ukip donor who helped to mastermind the stunning defection of Douglas Carswell would consider switching back to the Conservatives if Boris Johnson became leader, he said yesterday.

Stuart Wheeler, the multi-millionaire former Tory stalwart who lit the fuse on the ‘Carswell coup’ over a secret lunch, would not return to the Conservatives with David Cameron as leader.

But that could change if Boris took over and introduced Ukip-friendly policies. 

 

Stuart Wheeler said he would rejoin the Tories if Boris was in charge

Douglas Carswell (right) with Nigel Farage

 

Wheeler dealer: Mr Wheeler, left, has been wining and dining disaffected Tory MPs – a process which culminated in last week’s bombshell announcement by Douglas Carswell, right, that he was defecting

Mr Wheeler, a former Tory donor who was expelled from the party in 2009 after diverting his funding to Ukip, has been wining and dining disaffected Tory MPs – a process which culminated in last week’s bombshell announcement.

One senior Tory, Mr Wheeler now reveals, was even wooed by being invited to his 17th Century Jacobean castle.

Dan Hannan, an MEP socially and ideologically close to Mr Carswell, has stayed at the Grade I listed Chilham Castle in Kent where Mr Wheeler lives with wife Tessa and their three daughters, including the Vogue model Jacquetta.

 

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Mr Wheeler explained how he had held court with ‘potential defectors’ at discreet lunch venues.

‘I wrote to about ten Eurosceptic Tory MPs saying “Would you like to have lunch with me? Just the two of us, an out-of-the-way restaurant, we won’t be seen. The only other person who will know is Nigel”. And Douglas was one of them.’

He dined with Mr Carswell two years ago at Central London’s Pearl restaurant, which food critics say offers a ‘sensual dining experience’ involving dishes such as scallops, squid  and lamb Wellington.

 

Mr Wheeler said he would not rejoin the Tories while David Cameron was leader

But he said that might change if Boris got the top job

 

Conditions: Multi-millionaire Mr Wheeler said that he would not return to the Conservatives with David Cameron as leader. But that could change if Boris, right, took over and introduced Ukip-friendly policies

 

Guest: Dan Hannan, an MEP socially and ideologically close to Mr Carswell, has stayed at the Grade I listed Chilham Castle in Kent where Mr Wheeler lives with wife Tessa and their three daughters

Guest: Dan Hannan, an MEP socially and ideologically close to Mr Carswell, has stayed at the Grade I listed Chilham Castle in Kent where Mr Wheeler lives with wife Tessa and their three daughters

‘We discussed everything to do with the EU and Cameron’s leadership,’ said Mr Wheeler.  ‘I don’t think I said “How about defecting?” but I would have said “Would you like to meet Nigel Farage?” And now he has.

‘My guess is that he only made his final decision a fortnight ago.’

Mr Wheeler, 79, who made his £90 million fortune in the spread betting industry, refuses to divulge the names of the other MPs he lunched – including two he believes are ‘close to’ following Mr Carswell in defecting – but he is an admirer of former Defence Secretary Liam Fox, former Shadow Home Secretary David Davis and rebellious Tory MP Jesse Norman.

In Vogue: Ukip donor Stuart Wheeler's daughter Jacquetta

In Vogue: Ukip donor Stuart Wheeler’s daughter Jacquetta

He invited former Tory deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft, but the peer declined on the grounds that it would ‘not be appropriate’.

Mr Wheeler said: ‘There are a lot of Tories I admire. An MEP I greatly admire is Dan Hannan. He has been to stay with me in Kent,’ said Mr Wheeler, adding that he couldn’t remember what was discussed but: ‘I am sure we discussed the EU and everything like that’.

Mr Hannan stated last week that he did not intend to defect to Ukip.

No 10 is furious with Mr Wheeler, arguing that his ‘turncoat’ actions are helping to split the right-wing vote and could allow Ed Miliband to win next year’s General Election.

But Mr Wheeler refutes their analysis. ‘I don’t think it is going to be like that. Labour is terrified of us.

There are a lot of Labour constituencies, particularly in the North, where we are a close second and the Tories are a long way behind – it would be greatly to the advantage of the Tories if we take the seat. So I don’t think it is likely to let Labour in, as the Tories are so keen to put about’.

What could the Tories do to persuade him to return to the fold and bring Ukip voters with him?

‘Well, perhaps if Mr Cameron said “You are right, Stuart, we should be campaigning to leave the EU and introduce grammar schools and I was wrong about climate change [existing]”.

‘But that’s something which is undoubtedly not going to happen. And I think I would prefer not to have David Cameron as a leader either.’

He sees an obvious, stand-out alternative.

‘Boris Johnson would be best for getting votes. However, him being leader is not enough in itself – if Boris introduced those policies [on the EU, grammar schools and climate change] then I should think there would quite likely be a deal between the Conservatives and Ukip. But that is not going to happen’.

The businessman said he also rates former Environment Secretary Owen Paterson and Jesse Norman as potential Tory leaders.

Mr Wheeler –  who added that he regards Mr Carswell as a potential future Ukip leader – knows that the ‘Carswell coup’ has caused panic in No 10. ‘We have got them rattled,’ he said. ‘They should be rattled.’

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Nigel Farage of UKIP A Dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, Violent, Bully

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/03/2014

Nigel Farage of UKIP A Dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, Violent, Bully
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Having known & followed on a near daily basis for over 15 years I can categorically assure you that Nigel Farage of UKIP is A Dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, amoral, womanising, Violent, Bully.

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I am not alone inhaving known& followed him on a near daily basis for over 15 years, I can catagorically assure you that Nigel Farage of UKIP is a fraud; he is a dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, Amoral, Womanising, Violent, Bully.

You will have noted the articles on these facts in the press and on the media, which are becoming increasingly common as the populism of UKIP raises Nigel Farage’s profile in EU politics.

UKIP is not being picked on in any way and their pathetic claims that ‘the establishment’ is picking on them because they are a threat is clearly a nonsense – UKIP’s risible results in domestic politics give the lie to their fantasy after over 20 years in modern politics and around £50Million of tax payers money, not to mention the funding of millionaire donors and its own members who have been ripped off and defrauded on a near industrial scale UKIP has never come anywhere near having an MEP elected and Farage himself came an irelevant third last time he stood and that was against the deeply unpopular little Bercow with no Labour or Lib.Dim. standing.

Let us not forget how badly UKIP has done in Local Elections where when 1,750 seats were being contested they only obtained 149 seats of whom Nigel Farage’s incompetent leadership and fear of competition has displaced around 20!

I am far from alone in presenting these facts of this sad figure of a man endlessly seeking the ‘company’ of impressionable young women who have found their way to secure employment at the tax payers’ expense! Farage’s insecurity is palpable as he hounds out those who may challenge him to his position as a strutting poppinjay on top of the farm yard dung heap he has created to give him a platform for conquest of the impressionable and the sycophancy of fools who he treats with all the dignity one knows of old amongst the ‘praise singers’ of tribal Africa!

You need only read the facts presented by the informed over the years such as myself

  • past Party Leaders including founder Alan Skedd & Roger Knappman MEP
  • UKIP MEPs like Mike Nattrass, Nikki Sinclaire, Kilroy Silk, Ashley Mote, David Bannerman, Martha Andreassen etc.
  • Past Party Chairmen including Roger Knappman MEP, John Wittacker MEP, Petrina Holdsworth
  • and many elected NEC members such as Dr. David Abbott, Richard Suchorzewski,  Dr. Eric Edmond, Ian Gillman, Del Young, and some 50+ other ex NEC members
  • together with such senior staff members as Heather Connyngham, Dr. Richard North and others.

UKIP may well ‘claim’ to have increased their membership to 35,000, which would be a g0od result were it not including many who are dead, a large number who have been given free life memberships and were it not based in an excess of ‘churning’ with far more ex, unrenewed members than have paid up for a membership.

Just follow the many commentaries on UKIP where they have made a great many enemies who have seen through their dishonest abusive, anti homosexual, anti Jewish and overtly racist policies and associates – the adverse publicity UKIP has earned under Nighel Farage’s self serving leadership is clearly well earned.

UKIP is in the classic position as they make more noise that there are those who investigate them and find it is not just noise but all too often noisesome and UKIP is learning the truth of the old truism that:
‘The higher up the tree the monkey climbs the more you see it’s Rse’
& in UKIP’s case and Farage’s in particular it is not a prety sight.

IF you find these facts hard to follow or in some way implausible then may I suggest you search through the media publicity UKIP and Farage have earned and try to identify the few articles that genuinely present UKIP in a good light, try to find articles that prese4nt UKIP’s achievements for in the 15+ years I have followed them in detail I have found at least 10 adverse articles & 20 damning them with feint praise for every one article praising them presenting an achievement they have made.

All too often the articles endeavouring to praise UKIP and Farage’s leadership turn out to be written by those seeking prefferment in the party such as the deeply suspect Patrick O’Flynn who for many months presented articles in The Express which we now know were to be rewarded by both a salaried job as Spin Doctor & press Officer and as lead candidate for a position as an MEP (High roll motivation for betrayal of his ethics as a political journalist for The Express!) or alternatively the articles are found to be either a pack of lies as with several articles Annabelle Fuller has placed by devious and suspect means or articles by directly salaried staff!
Consider the article below, which will of course have been ‘legalled’ by The Telegraph lawyers to be sufficiently accurate as to not attract litigation for inaccuracy.
I believe the investigations by the police that are underway will do much to influence the publicity UKIP & Farage receive over the next few weeks with a number of arrests more than likely!

Nigel Farage has a ‘violent temper’ claims female MEP

Nikki Sinclaire, a former Ukip MEP, claims Nigel Farage threatened her with his fist during an outburst

Nikki Sinclaire, who left Mr Farage's party and now sits as an independent, claimed the Ukip leader has a

Nikki Sinclaire, who left Mr Farage’s party and now sits as an independent, claimed the Ukip leader has a “violent temper”  Photo: GETTY IMAGES

A former Ukip MEP claims Nigel Farage left her trembling after putting his fist in front of her face during a furious outburst.

Nikki Sinclaire, who left Mr Farage’s party and now sits as an independent, claimed the Ukip leader has a “violent temper” and has fallen out with a string of MEPs.

The party is hostile to women and used to hold meetings in gentlemen’s clubs, Ms Sinclaire claimed.

A party spokesman declined to comment on the allegation Mr Farage had put his fist in her face during an outburst.

She told the BBC: “I’ve been a victim of violence from Nigel Farage, assault in the European Parliament.”

“It was physical and verbal that made me tremble. He didn’t hit me – that’s battery. Assault is where someone puts their fist in front of someone’s face and threatens you.”

She said the party was unwelcoming to women.

“You will not find a senior women who has been there fore more than five years. When I was on the national executive we had meetings in gentlemen’s clubs: that was there attitude towards women.”

She went on: “Nigel Farage has been an MEP for 15 years; in that time there has been 19 other UKIP MEPs and he has fallen out with 11. In this Parliament in the last five years, the 12 MEPs he brought back to Brussels, he has fallen out with six.”

She said the party had achieved nothing since it was first elected to Brussels in 1999, and the party’s allies in the EU parliament included Holocaust deniers.

She denied she had a vendetta against the party.

“My mine purpose in life is to get a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union.”

Ms Sinclaire represents the West Midlands and is currently on bail on fraud charges relating to her parliamentary expenses.

Earlier this month she used parliamentary privilege to claim Mr Farage had employed his wife and former mistress on the Brussels payroll.

To view the original article CLICK HERE

 

Farage has desperately sought to defend himself against the facts pertaining to his dishonesty having promised on Meridian TV never to employ members of his family and assuring the voters in the run up to election that no member of UKIP if elected would ever employ members of their families and was not only the first to break this ‘cast iron promise’ by employing his wife @ some £30K pa of tax payers’ money but went on to lie on TV in debate with Nick Clegg that he had never promised not to employ family WHICH WAS A BLATANT LIE.

We then note Farage made much of claims that Nikki Sinclaire MEP, who had resigned from the party as unwilling to support Farage’s anti homosexual stance and his overt support of racism and corruption, he has denounced her on the grounds that she is on bail whilst the police seek a way to save face having accepted dishonest allegations from UKIP that she had used her accounts fraudulently over 2 years ago and on which subject it is over 18 months since she was in any way questioned by the police! Let us not forget that on more than one occasion Nigel farage has been officially investigated and has been found guilty of fraudulent use of tax payers’ money, unlike Nikki Sinclaire who has never been investigated officially by OLAF for the EU!

 

Let us also note that Farage tried to imply that when Nikki Sinclaire denounced the fact that he was employing both his wife and at least one of his mistresses at the tax payers’ expense particularly in these times of austerity she had acted in some sort of inappropriate manner in doing so in The EU Parliament – let us not forget this has been the method of denunciation of many politicians whom Nigel Farage has sought to insult or berate – not least of whom was Barrott when he denounced his criminality or Barrosso for his unelected and profligate stance, or the obvious incompetence and unelected status of Mrs. Ashton etc. etc.

 

UKIP had an excellent and popular cause yet it has done little to promote it and has a very small following out of the some 40% of opponents to EU membership and have resoundingly failked the EUroSceoptic movement.

In fact it is impossible to name a single achievement of UKIP under Farage’s leadership that is of any consistent value to the cause of Leave_The_EU – even going so far as to try to sabotage efforts to gain sufficient signatures to ensure a House of Commons debate on membership of The EU and forcing a Referendum on David Cameron when Nikki Sinclqire’s efforts caused the largest rebelluion of Tory voters in the House – as Nigel Farage dishonestly and shamefully turned up on the day to try to pretend he and his party had had something to do with the achievement!

Indee the higher up the tree this particular monkey climbs the more one realises how unattractive the view is!

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#0504* – The Mare Rides Out From Ramsey Parish!!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/05/2011

#0504* – The Mare Rides Out From Ramsey Parish!!
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The Mare Rides Out From Ramsey Parish!!
Is it looking for a chance to get the rest of the family on the gravy train?

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Dear Branch Chairman,
Please find attached a Statement from the Party reference the resignation
of David Campbell Bannerman who has now joined the Conservatives.

Statement from UKIP regarding defection of David Bannerman:*

It is clear that David Bannerman has decided to put career before principle.
He was obviously disappointed with his result in the Leadership election
last year where he achieved 14% of the vote, and concerned about whether he
could get re-selected by UKIP members in the Eastern Region.

So he has decided to secure his berth in the European Parliament until 2019,
by joining a pro-EU party.

David has expressed his admiration for David Cameron, who has announced that
he will not give the people of this country a referendum on Europe, because
he believes we should stay in. He has some nerve criticising UKIP’s
credibility.

When he was chosen as a candidate for UKIP in 2008, David signed a statement
that said that he would “remain as a member of UKIP for the full 5-year term
or otherwise retire from the Parliament”.

We call on him to resign, so that we can get a real Euro-sceptic to take his
place.

Regards
Lisa Duffy
Party Director UKIP
07890110225

Hilarious – Imagine suggesting honourable behaviour in UKIP which uses endless smears, lies, distortions and attacks founded on fantasy and put forward by pond life and the ashamed who hide their shame in cowardice behind anonymity.

What UKIP leadership and its self serving parasites knows about honour, integrity, ethics or honesty could be written on the back of Lisa Duffy’s Bridle Chains as Mare of Ramsey with a felt tip pen!

Of course it was Lisa Duffy, Peter Reeve, Douglas Denny and others who backed David Bannerman for leader – no wonder he only got 14%.

Who is going to steal money to help Stuart Agnew to pay Peter Reeve as Regional Organiser now? How will Chelmsford be funded, will the oleaginous Stuart Gulleford have to get a job as the local stray cat catcher commensurate with his talents.

David Bannerman has been desperately courting The Tories for a year and when turned down by Geoffrey van Orden in the EU Eastern Region he switched to trying to get in in the South West – Now Geoffrey van Orden has maade, or had made, the decision he will not stand again for the Tories the obstacle has been removed.

David Bannerman was a prime example of the folly of dishonestly rigging internal selection processes to place candidates as displayed in some detail CLICK HERE

One wonders if – Now that Marta Andreasen MEP has had the ‘mythical whip’ withdrawn and was all dolled up to celebrate whether she was going for an interview for Spanish TV as the local elections have swung so clearly towards the center right – was she dressing up especially for her own press conference even?

Watching the speed witgh which the parasites in UKIP wriggle and turn to try to reposition their snouts near the trough is a game in itself.
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#0503* – David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/05/2011

#0503* –  David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP
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David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP!
The Desk Deserts & A Liar Returns To The Tories – No surprise there then!

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David BANNERMAN’s Long Predicted Betrayal of UKIP

    I predicted this betrayal to Nigel Farage personally BEFORE David Bannerman even joined UKIP.

    He had been an unmittigated disaster as a candidate for the Tories over many years – eventually rising to the dizzy heights of councillor!

    His parents had said to Roger Knapman that ‘he was a worry and they wished he would get a proper job’

    It was not until David Bannerman had got his feet under UKIP’s table as a stepping stone that it became very clear that he was useless, corrupt and a liar.

    Here is David Bannerman’s betrayal statement:
 

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“I have been increasingly impressed by the leadership shown by David Cameron in dealing with this country’s problems. In particular, the Government’s determination to clean up the economic mess left by Labour.
    “Similarly in Europe, I have been pleased with the robust stance taken by David Cameron and Conservative MEPs over the EU budget negotiations and I believe that it is Conservative MEPs who are working hard to defend Britain’s interests. In contrast, as a member of UKIP I witnessed too many colleagues obsess with single issue politics, internal fighting, and shouting from the sidelines. This behaviour does nothing to serve the best interests of the British people.

    “With the recent failings in domestic elections, the ditching of policies and the lack of any credible plan, UKIP has confirmed it is not a serious, credible, fully fledged political party but merely a pressure group. I have been a proud member of the Conservative Party in the past and I am proud to come home to the Conservatives today. Once again, the Conservative Party is proving, as it has so many times before, that it is the only party that can be trusted to sort out Britain’s economy and stand up for Britain in Europe.

    “I stood for the European Parliament because I wanted to work for the best interests of the United Kingdom and my constituents in the Eastern region. I now feel that I can best serve them and their interests as a Conservative member of the European Parliament. Of course, I have not always seen eye to eye with the Conservative Party on every issue.

    I continue to believe personally that Britain should leave the EU but I also believe that while we are members we should fight our corner to secure the best deal possible.”

    Personally I believe that UKIP is well shot of him and have openly stated he was a duplicitous and untrustworthy worm since he joined – this resignation was announced on my blog as a certainty some weeks ago and a probability before he joined UKIP.

Nigel Farage’s lack of leadership skills sadly yet again displays his incompetence as a judge of people.

    I wonder if OLAF inquiry over his fraudulent use of public money to fund Peter Reeve as a Regional Organiser will continue!

    This could be just the catalyst for UKIP to start to clean-up its in house Augian Stable removing the parasites and funded praise singers who act as sychophants surrounding the leadership in return for money and aggrandisement.

    Unless the scum that has floated to the top is removed UKIP will remain unfit for purpose.

    Let us hope Nigel Farage has the maturity to acquit his duty and remain with the party as a performer and stop dabbling in leadership which he has proved beyond doubt he has absolutely no skill at.

UKIP web site as ever has absolutely no news of this and is still carrying stale news of another Farage protege Paul Oakley from Nigel’s home drinking territory! News that is 10 days out of date!!

But David Bannerman’s betrayal is all over the media:

EAST of England UKIP MEP David Campbell Bannerman has left the party and joined the Conservatives.

Mr Campbell Bannerman, who has been an MEP for two years, unsuccessfully bid for the UKIP party leadership last year.

He is now returning to the party he left in 2004, and said he was impressed by Prime Minister David Cameron’s stance on dealing with Europe.

Geoffrey Van Orden, the lead MEP for the region commented: “I know that David will make an excellent addition to the Conservative team, having seen his work as a constituency colleague over the past two years.

“He shares our view that the EU is overblown and heading in the wrong direction. We must do all that we can to trim its sails and steer it on a different course.

“We very much look forward to working with him as we continue to champion the East of England’s interests and the British national interest in Europe.

“We are also particularly pleased that the European Conservatives & Reformists Group, which I am proud to have played a key role in forming, will now become the fourth largest political group in the parliament.”

Labour MEP Richard Howitt said: “UKIP is in disarray, so it’s no surprise that some of its members want out.

“The twice failed UKIP leadership pretender has fallen out with his colleagues and is scuttling back to the Conservatives.”

A spokesman for UKIP said: “David has expressed his admiration for David Cameron, who has announced that he will not give the people of this country a referendum on Europe, because he believes we should stay in. He has some nerve criticising UKIP’s credibility.

“When he was chosen as a candidate for UKIP in 2008, David signed a statement that said that he would “remain as a member of UKIP for the full 5-year term or otherwise retire from the Parliament.

“We call on him to resign, so that we can get a real Euro-sceptic to take his place.”

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    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

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#0486* – Marta ANDREASEN UKIP MEP Issues An Apology!!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 16/05/2011

#0486* – Marta ANDREASEN UKIP MEP Issues An Apology!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
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Marta ANDREASEN UKIP MEP Issues An Apology!!

That UKIP Fielded Hirelings and a proven dishonest Hugh Williams in defence of UKIP is a sad reflection on the abject failure of leadership!!

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Hi,

it is interesting to note that Marta Andreasen has, after her withering attack on the leadership of UKIP by its so called leader, issued an apology.

It would seem that in the light of crass and irresponsible comments made by Nigel Farage in his attempts to lead the Party she claims to have merely quoted him.

You will note this blog. made a point of stating her use of language was a ‘hostage to fortune’.

May I also point out that her blog as that of a public servant does NOT post comments if they are not favourable to her chosen position and personal career interests.

Unlike this blog which is no more than a series of statements of fact and unashamedly my opinions on the facts presented as a private unfunded individual seeking to clean-up UKIP to make it fit for purpose as our lifeboat and a vehicle for leadership for these United kingdoms to Leave-The-EU – which currently it clearly is not – as is notably highlighted by the likes of Marta Andreasen, skeptyk, independent UKIP, Mick McGough, Godfrey Bloom, David Bannerman, Stuart Agnew and the many other liars, low lifes and cheats who so consistently drag the name of UKIP in the gutter with their lies and serial distortions.

APOLOGIES

May 14, 2011 8:14 pm – Posted by Marta 

Hugh Williams forwarded to me a statement where he calls my comments in respect of the party´s finances “patently false” and he refutes them.

The “mis-information” -as Hugh calls it- about the party´s financial status,  came from Nigel himself on such terms and more than once.

As I do not have the chance to see the party´s accounting records,  at this point I have to rely on Hugh´s opinion.

Appointed assistant Treasurer two months ago, Hugh seems to have grasped the financial situation very quickly and appears to know better than the leader of the party. I have therefore to conclude that Nigel´s comment to me may not respond to reality, in which case I withdraw my reference to it.

In fact looking at the huge number of staff Nigel recruits in the UK and in Brussels and relating it to the 9 UKIP councillors that were elected out of 9,300 seats, I should have realized that the party enjoyed a more than comfortable financial situation! Apologies!!!

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#0463* – UKIP EXPOSED by Graham GILLIS aka gillig

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/05/2011

#0463* – UKIP EXPOSED by Graham GILLIS aka gillig
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UKIP is EXPOSED by Graham GILLIS aka gillig!
‘A society, party or individual’s degree of civilisation is best judged by how they treat their opponents’!!

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An Anti-UKIP blog by a member of UKIP

A blog that has been fascinating me for some time is ‘Junius on Ukip’, which by all accounts has been setup by disgruntled members.
Attack blogs detailing sordid details of different political parties have been around for a long time. But they have been usually been run by opposing parties, taking pleasure in some misfortunes, internal strife and rows.
But this one is actually been run by a member who seem to know all the battles, affairs, resignations and financial shennanigans.  Members of parties who have become disillusioned mainly leave the party. But this blog seems pretty determined to bring the party down.
If only half what is said on this blog is true, then its surprising that the party is barely existing.

46 Responses to An Anti-UKIP blog by a member of UKIP

  1. The Junius bloggers are anti-UKIP, they’re not members. At least one of them gets information from the EU and is clearly in their employ. Most of what is written on that hate-blog is entirely made up or takes something that is true, embellishes it so that it’s 90% made up and turns it into a personal attack on someone.
  2. Gary Cartwright
    Hilarious site, isn’t it? It’s all fake news, but I actually get paid to do the job. I work in the European Parliament with former UKIP MEP Nikki Sinclaire. That’s what I do all day long – invent nutty stories about UKIP. I love it.
  3. gillig
    @Gary Cartwright.
    So my tax money goes to you?
    • Anonymous
      I think you two have been fooled. Gary has not posted that nor does he invent stories or have anything to do with the junius blog
  4. Hi,
    I can vouch for the FACT that Junius are supporters of UKIP and if only the parasites and maggots feeding from the crumbs that fall from the troughs on the Gravy Train in self interest supporting UKIP’s utterly venal and completely unprincipled leadership would wake up and clean up UKIP they MIGHT once again provide our lifeboat.
    For as long as you have fools like Stuart Parr, Mark Croucher, Annabelle Fuller, Gawain Towler and the anonymous cowards UKIP will NEVER be fit for purpose as no party can survive self seeking liars.
    I assure you that the postings claimed to be by Gary are NOT genuine they are the level of childish behaviour EUkip parasites believe to be politics as they try to smear Nikki Sinclaire MEP who has out performed ALL of them.
    My posting is genuine – my phone number is a matter of public record and I will stand by every word I publish in any Court of Law YOU choose.
    My blogs publish provable, honourable FACTS and never ONCE have they been shown to be materially wrong.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
    01291 – 62 65 62
  5. mhayworth
    Wonkotsane is correct here.
    Just look at the use of capital letters in Greg L-W’s post – not to mention the bizarre concept that ‘you’ might want to choose the particular court of law for him to prove himself in :-) Greg and his pal Junius post their anti-UKIP messages like little 12 year old cyber-stalkers and seem to concentrate obsessively on the woes of Nicky Sinclaire (who probably is Junius).
    Lets face it – if Junius and Greg L-W were either real UKIP members or even adults, they would see the bigger picture and stop smearing the only party that plans to get us out of the increasingly undemocratic EU.
    As political parties go, UKIP is still fairly new and has certainly gone through some growing pains. However, the current leadership team seems to be addressing these shortfalls and is clearly moulding UKIP into a more formal and hopefully more formidable political force.
  6. Hi,
    Gillig your logic is rather profound for the parasites seeking personal gain in UKIP!
    By all means phone me.
    Alternatively phone Nigel Farage and see what his spin is – it certainly won’t be as childish and ill informed as mhayworth and I doubt he would so idiotically lie as does Stuart Parr aka wonkotsane.
    Act like UKIP and be spoon fed toxic baby food or act like a grown up and check the facts.
    mhayworth seems to know staggeringly little about UKIP and its foundations and history – nor does he seem to kave much understanding of The EU.
    As 12 year olds go check out some of my blogs for the facts as with:
    http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
    and follow the links.
    Interestingly were I a 12 year old my involvement with UKIP would have been a pre birth experience! Clearly you know VERY little of the Party or its history, its aims or its corruption.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
    • gillig
      @Greg_L-W.
      I will not be phoning you. I have looked at your site once again this morning and as usual found no facts, just personal insults. If you have any archived facts, perhaps you could put them together in a sentence and save us parasites some valuable career time.
      My communications with Nigel Farage and his staff have been answered promptly, intelligently and with curtsey. Do you see no value in an organisation presenting a united front? After you have found the appropriate help, it would be more productive to devote your energy to helping the country get its own government back.
      I f you hold the moral high ground on an uninhabited island; you will never lose an argument. A noble mission would be to put together a discipline system within UKIP. Start with voter right of recall. It is wrong that we taxpayers have to fund MEP’s who won’t represent the party that got them elected. If I vote UKIP I have a right to be represented by UKIP and not pay for a turncoat.
  7. I am delighted that somebody considers me such a threat that I am continuously attacked in this way. So I am Junius, am I? I remember that once Piers Merchant “was Junius”, but after he passed away the lie was simply transposed onto another. It tells me a great deal about the people we are dealing with here. Liars and idiots all.
  8. wow, it looks like I have opened up a real can of worms here!
  9. gillig
    No doubt my point that errant MEP’s are dishonestly taking taxpayers money by not standing down and allowing the voters to have their chosen reprasentative will be the next subject of your deep and insightful comment.
  10. Hi,
    fortunately gillig it is still a ‘relatively’ free Country.
    You may do as you wish – even ignore the 1,000s of facts published as you clearly wish to.
    You may support racism, extremism, anti Judaism and violent anti homosexuality – that is your prerogative as a supporter of the discredited UKIP and its extremist EFD chums.
    UKIP can not complain when its honest MEPs quit the dishonest group yet look how loudly they crow when UKIP attracts a turncoat from The Tories etc.
    Your position is more than somewhat hypocritical.
    It is childishly easy to dismiss as insults hard facts of corruption, dishonesty, perversion, abuse and extremism – Unfortunately your cover story does not alter the facts.
    IF you are sufficiently interested to clean-up UKIP to make it worthy of the votes of the informed and decent folk you have the choice to phone me if you wish – IF NOT don’t bother.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  11. Hi,
    nebonebo – you may be aware of the American political trueism:
    ‘In politics if you intend to open a can of worms be darned sure to have a bigger can’.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  12. Dear McCoy,
    we note Captain Kirk never used truth serum on board the star ship!
    For the record Junius is more than one source and does obtain a great deal of information through The EU and work.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  13. gillig
    My point that errant MEP’s are dishonestly taking taxpayer’s money by not standing down and allowing the voters to have their chosen representative remains unanswered.
    Your assumptions about what I support are irrelevant.
    I ask as a taxpayer and voter.
    Not on behalf of any party.
  14. Hi,
    gillig – do you hold to this concept at Westminster and on Councils also – that would of course be completely anti democratic.
    I do however believe that we should have a very clear system of recall at every level in Government and public service. However we do not.
    IF your suggestion were to be carried forward clearly Farage, Andreasen, Bloom, Agnew, Nuttall, Bufton, Clark, Bannerman, Batten (ie the rump of UKIP who have betrayed the electorate) would needs perforce to stand down as they are in persuit of a reformist agenda and associated with extremists, racists, xenophobes, anti Jewish, violent anti homosexual pro EU membership colleagues in The EFD antipathetic to the wishes and aims of those who elected them.
    Was it not Walter Scott who warned:
    ‘Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive’ in his epic poem Marmion of The 1513 Battle of Flodden Field.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  15. gillig
    Yes; voter recall should apply to all elected political positions.
    Voter recall is in UKIP’s manifesto.
    Please read the above again.
    It what is called “answering a question.”
    What justification can you give for MEP’s who have rejected the party that got them elected continuing to take taxpayers money?
  16. Hi,
    do TRY to wake up – the question you asked was very clearly answered and indeed I do believe having betrayed the electorate those I named should be subject to recall.
    Sorry my response was too complex for you to follow.
    I am glad you agree that voter recall should apply to all offices publicly elected, I note you have also noticed UKIP have added the idea to its utterly irrelevant manifesto.
    They overlook the irrefutable fact that they are clearly unfit for purpose as an extremist reform group and with only less than 30 elected out of 19,500 let us face it almost every vote was predicated on ONE policy Leave-The-EU no one cares what their other policies are hence they never get anywhere near serious office in Britain.
    Sadly they can’t even do ONE thing well what hope they might ever make progress – the tragedy is our only obvious lifeboat has been seized by self seekers and clowns.
    To make it VERY simple for you, you asked:
    What justification can you give for MEP’s who have rejected the party that got them elected continuing to take taxpayers money?

    ELECTORAL LAW – got it?
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  17. gillig
    UKIP’s MEP’s are doing their jobs with the support of the people who voted for them.
    The clue here is “voted”, it’s what counts here on planet Earth.
    You don’t get to decide who deserves recall.
    The law you quote to justify your traitors screwing us taxpayers is EU electoral law. Q.E.D.
  18. Hi,
    since those I named have betrayed the electorate how do YOU claim that IF THERE WAS a recall they would be exempt – NO ONE voted for UKIP to be racist, extemist, corrupt, anti Jewish, violent anti homosexual or reformers pro EU membership.
    Well maybe YOU did but YOU would clearly be in a minority.
    Clearly you know little of UKIP either historically or present and seem to have even less comprehension of politics be they EU or British.
    IF I can help you understand just call me and I’ll try to explain for you.
    At least have the common sense to check you facts rather than just bray the propaganda you have been spoon fed.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  19. gillig
    AS an ordinary UKIP voter I feel I can speak for the main body of the party.
    Nigel Farage and the other loyal UKIP MEP’s are clearly the head.
    You however describe them as the Rump.
    From your position, you would inevitably have this view.
    It does happen, so the party must need an arsehole.
  20. Hi,
    gillig as a long term supporter of UKIP with intimate knowledge of the party I believe you are wrong – clearly you speak for yourself but it seems in either complete ignorance or at best very limited knowledge.
    That you demean UKIP by using foul language to cover for your ignorance speaks volumes of the validity of what is left of UKIP consorting with prostitutes and copulating on the bonnet of cars in public, dragging UKIP’s reputation in the gutter – how can you perceive your insecurity and inability to debate in an adult manner can do anything but harm UKIP – Little wonder that you are too ashamed to put your full name and contact details to your ignorance.
    It is sad that you and others like you so demean UKIP and drag it into the gutter you have chosen as your natural style.
    There is NEVER a call for the lies and dishonesty so prevalent amongst those with no reasoned ability to debate. That people like you, Stuart Parr, Mick McGough, Douglas Denny and the leadership of UKIP have such low moral standards and such palpable greed may well explain why UKIP has never had more than 30 elected to public office out of the 19,500 seats available.
    The suicidal tendency of self engorgement and lies has rendered UKIP unfit for purpose.
    At least Nikki Sinclaire, Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman have had the moral fiber to stand up for the grass roots UKIP members not the showboaters and self seekers.
    You must be so ashamed to act like this and befoul UKIP and betray its members.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  21. gillig
    It’s not UKIP I am calling an arsehole, it’s you.
    So far in this exchange you have thrown plenty of critical words into your rant;
    parasites, maggots, dishonest, corrupt, perverted, abuser, extremist, violent anti homosexual.
    All this to unsuccessfully defend TRAITORS TO UKIP sponging off us taxpayers.
    My knowledge of the anatomy of UKIP has been greatly enhanced by your diatribe.
    You excrete large quantities hoping some will stick.
    Boasting about how much you know about UKIP impresses no one.
    The collective genius of Nikki Sinclaire, Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman has come up with the earth shattering, original and proven success of an idea to ask for a referendum. I can tell you that taxpayers, voters and UKIP supporters are really impressed.
    Put a comments section on your webpage and see how impressed we are.
    You expect me to compromise my privacy, while JAnus hides and censors comments.
    • gillig
      I posted the following comment on Hugh J Anus website early this morning.
      “The collective genius of Nikki Sinclaire, Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman has come up with the earth shattering, original and proven success of an idea; to ask for a referendum.
      They are traitors to UKIP .
      They are using taxpayers money.
      Taxpayers and voters who voted UKIP.”
      It has yet to appear. http://juniusonukip.blogspot.com/2011/05/ukip-harry-aldridge-attacks-mike.html
      Greg_L-W. thinks HE has the right to decide who is an MEP for UKIP. If anyone knows who he is, could they please show some sympathy and help him understand that UKIP and their supporters decide this.
      • Hi,
        foolish foul mouthed little chap – NO I do not believe I have the right as a voter to ‘decide’ however as a long term supporter of UKIP using my own name and aware of the background, history and present situation in UKIP with many years experience I do have the right to voice my opinion and back it with factual data.
        Only the low lifes and parasites of UKIP feeding off its incompetent leadership sink into the gutter and demean the party with abuse and an inability to reason.
        You may by all means post a reasoned opinion politely presented anywhere you like.
        The second you are abusive and foul mouthed and display a clear lack of knowledge tou bring UKIP into disrepute – No wonder you are too ashamed to be identified.
        Regards,
        Greg_L-W.
    • Hi,
      those posting on Junius are have opted to use a collective name and are not just foul mouthed idiots bringing UKIP into disrepute.
      I note you on the other hand are too ashamed to put your name to your ill informed comments and abuse.
      I am indifferent to your childish name calling but the moment you take the lid off your garbage can you demean and denigrate the cause you PRETEND to espouse.
      As for the views of others I care little – I am all too well aware there is NEVER a wrong time to do the right thing and clearly Nikki Sinclaire, Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman have done the right thing by distancing themselves from the extremist, racist, anti Jewish, violently anti homosexual pro EU membership views of The EFD Group which Farage runs.
      UKIP MEPs were elected to work to WITHDRAW from The EU as are the three named NOT to Reform The EU as with The EFD.
      Do try to debate like an adult not an offensive troll.
      Regards,
      Greg_L-W.
  22. gillig
    What’s left to debate?
    My comment has not been posted on JAnus. No names forthcoming.
    You really should get a comments page on your site; you are clearly unused to public opinion.
    You are unable to defend that the behaviour of the errant MEP’s without insulting me, UKIP, its leadership , members and supporters.
    UKIP need politicians, if MEP’s are unable to do their jobs because they can’t mix with people of different political views, they should stand down. We need people who can remain loyal to the party. Not traitors.
    Experience and party history count for nothing if you are disloyal and your opinions are prejudiced.
  23. gillig
    Many thanks to our host Degwm.
    I have enjoyed being able to locate the anatomical position of ‘Junius on Ukip’,
    A loose sphincter surrounding an anonymous group of disloyal members.
    Thank you for the opportunity to show that they will not publish comments from real people.
    Greg_L-W’s. language for debate, requires an advanced sense of irony; especially when he accuses you of dragging the party into the gutter.
    It has long been a concern of mine that new and potential members will be drawn to this site, and not realize it is abhorrent to most UKIP supporters.
    Shit happens in all organizations. The successful ones deal with it in private and present a united front.
    Having said that, JAnus are entitled to free speech and to live with their own consciences.
    The latest plea for a referendum is pure farce, despite the evident lack of humor in these guys.
    The obvious question left is; If UKIP is so bad, why don’t you get off the pot?
    Don’t ask Greg_L-W. The record is stuck.
  24. mhayworth
    You hit it on the nail Gillig. If Junius and Greg_L-W. had any intention of ‘fixing’ what they perceive to be issues within UKIP, they would do it behind the scenes and with dignity. The fact that they run a public blog full of gossip about Farage’s private life and one that leaps from embellishment to conspiracy theory on a myriad of non-topical information, tells us that they are either a bunch of losers bent on revenge or just members of another party bent on destroying UKIP . Either way, it isn’t working. I saw their blog on my first search for info about UKIP and thought it was just one of those spoof sites managed by students.
  25. Hi,
    I can only assume that Graham Gillis is both young and naiive with very little control over his foul mouthed comments, little perception of which posting he is responding to and a complete ineptitude when it comes to adult debat of politics – about which he clearly knows even less than he does about UKIP, ethics, morality, probity and duty.
    Let us hope he grows up soon and takes a more mature approach rather than so clearly befoul UKIP with his comments.
    Reading his comments here and elsewhere the chap is very clearly gullible and obviously has a very limited understanding of what is happenning in UKIP and The EU let alone politics at large.
    However this is none too surprising as having ventured into the political diasporra quite recently he hasn’t even learned lesson ONE – you have two ears with which to listen and one mouth to inform – why is it that the ill informed most clearly use them in inverse proportion to their knowledge!
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  26. Hi,
    in response to another fool who felt boot licking to Farage was a substitute for politics Mike Nattrass gave a fairly coherent retort – let us home the kids in UKIP have the intelligence to understand the posting:
    To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
    CC: nikki@ukip.org; trevorcolman@btconnect.com; mcwilliam.steph@gmail.com; jeff.mager@btinternet.com
    Subject: Petition
    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:01:37 +0000

    Mike,

    I have seen your idea of an advert for yet another petion.

    Don’t you know that The Express delivered 1/3 million petitions to Downing Street recently, and were politely told to take them elsewhere?

    Please would you spend your money on supporting the activists who actually got you elected.

    Ian Proctor

    From: mike nattrass
    Sent: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:11
    Subject: Petition

    Ian,

    This is a petition which was initiated last September by Nikki Sinclaire and has 60,000 plus signatures due to West Midlands UKIP member’s hard work in Market Places etc.

    It went into the Daily Mail on Saturday (next to Royal Wedding photos!) and is already getting a great response.

    The Express came to Nikki last year to see how is was being done and took the concept into their paper, with a great result. We have no problem with that as it increases awareness to Express readers, but what about the other readers?


    The matter needs to be exposed nationwide and not just the in the Express.

    This is all about a promise from the Government that petitions of over 100,000 would be considered in the Commons.

    As you are well aware EU money cannot be spent directly on the Party so this is legally spent in an approved manner on our major objective, because it is “information.”

    Please explain how this does not help the activists, when this is our objective for which we have worked for more than 15 years? Also how you would expect the MEP’s EU budget money to be legally spent? All suggestions very very welcome!

    As for helping activists I do anyway, but not via my EU budget as that is illegal.

    Sadly we could not use our UKIP Logo in the advert because Nikki (one of the three MEPs involved) is currently banned by the NEC from using the UKIP logo!

    I hope this explains our thinking.

    Mike

    Seems fairly straight forward to me – do not forget that Nigel’s utter incompetence as a leader with the imbecilic Godfrey Bloom led to a guilty verdict against them and UKIP for their public abuse and lies relative to Nikki Sinclaire.
    Even yet Nigel’s errand boy is trying to cobble together a deal to keep him out of the High Court and substantial damages.
    Unfortunately Farage’s utter lack of leadership skill has put him deep in the hole and digging furiously.
    You will note from stupidity Farage IF he is Leader has recently opted to spend about £30K maybe substantially more of members money having wittingly recruited a BNP member yet unlawfully removing him and refusing to meet the paltry damages of £500!
    Do TRY to wake up!
    I would suggest foul language, lack of knowledge and ill mannered abuse serve UKIP ill when you try to defend them.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

  27. gillig
    @ Greg LW
    I have tried to be kind as you clearly have mental health problems.
    You toxic view of the party means you cannot possibly be a member of UKIP.
    If you had double the political knowledge you pretend to, you could never be a politician. I suspect you know this and that is why you are so angry.
    You show an unhealthy interest in UKIP youth and people should be warned not to respond to your requests to phone you, a strange person on the internet.
  28. Hi,
    I see Graham Gillis has demeaned himsel and UKIP in hisfailure to present coherent facts and clear argument – how sad.
    It is also clear that he has not one shred of factual evidence to back his fantasies – merely depende3nt on the playground level of abuse.
    I think Graham’s childish and ill informed postings with his use of foul language and lies tells you all you need to know about those who are aspirant in UKIP.
    How very sad that due to lack of training, lack of leadership, lack of discipline and lack of vision UKIP which was at one time our only lifeboat has fallen into the hands of its present inept leadership and the parasites in their support.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  29. gillig
    @ Geg LW
    FACT; you are not a member of UKIP.
  30. Hi,
    Graham Gillis:
    FACT – I believe I have made it abundantly clear why i am NOT a member.
    I do NOT support Racism UKIP DOES
    I do NOT support Xenophobia UKIP DOES
    I do NOT support anti Judaism UKIP DOES
    I do NOT support violent anti Homosexuality UKIP DOES
    I do not support Holocaust Denia UKIP DOES
    UKIP supports The Pan EU Political Party EFD Group morally and financially.

    Further I do NOT support a Party with a liar as a leader UKIP DOES
    I do NOT support corruption UKIP DOES
    I do NOT support obfuscation of Accounts UKIP DOES
    I do NOT hold British Justice in Contempt UKIP DOES

    Despite Graham’s foolish inference I have NEVER claimed to be a member of UKIP.
    Had you a point you were trying to make Graham?
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  31. gillig
    @GregLW
    No, no more points.
    It is a good sign that when you are presented with a single simple statement of fact, that you are able to produce a coherent train of thought.
    The content is of little importance, as must delusions can be dealt with by this method, in time.
    Time I have not got and the history in your case shows a steady deterioration.
    Professional help is available.
    http://www.insidetime.org/info-address-results.asp?aID=1569&c=saneline_sane
    For everyone who has contacted UKIP with their concerns.
    Stalking activity is monitored. Gaining access to sites such as young independence with false information is an offence which would normally only be prosecuted in conjunction with an ongoing investigation.
    We have UKIP activists being chased with knives by Muslims in Leicester. Abusive non members like GLW are as relevant as someone who takes a dump on the floor at a Town Hall Meeting. A valid contribution from a LibLabCon politician, however GLW is not a politician.
    Time is far better spent banging on doors and campaigning!
  32. Hi,
    Graham Gillis – your tone, your language, your lack of knowledge and your only line of debate being to insult speaks volumes of your values.
    Do YOU believe such behaviour in some way assists UKIP as I would hazard a guess you are very much in a minority.
    It is clear that you demean UKIP with your childish and self serving defamatory posturing.
    It may well explain why out of 19,500 seats up for election in British politics UKIP has never risen above 20!
    A tragedy when UKIP has so clear a performer as Nigel Farage and so popular a message as Leave-The-EU that it so lacvks vision, competence and leadership that it is largely held in the contempt such as you work so hard to earn.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  33. gillig
    So, if I stop pointing out that you are bonkers, will you vote UKIP today please? Yes to AV also!
  34. Hi,
    Graham as with all else you completely lack any sign of evidence to back your fantasies – not a good grounding for your political aspirations.
    On AV NO I will NOT vote in favour as I have no taste for endless tactical voting and the resultant compromises.
    I do not want Government of the comic opera proportions of Italy which is the natural outcome of the risible deal making surrounding the tactical voting AV is dependent on.
    UKIP sadly, although our only lifeboat, is quite provably rotten to the core and not fit for purpose – with 25% of its MEPs sitting as Non Escrit and others likely to also leave Farage’s cosy EFD Grouping of EFD racists, anti homosexual, pro EU membership, anti Jewish EU Reformists – HIS INCOME is becoming ever harder to justify.
    With 14 elected Councillors thus under 25 elected seats out of a potential 19,500 one has to wonder where they went wrong – but not for long as it is self evident.
    I believe UKIP may well make net gains on today but to put that in perspective The BNP have markedly out performed them on the domestic front which was an obscene tragedy but UKIP with its self enrichment and lack of vision, strategy, tactics, training or professionalism has never achieved as many elected seats as the 26 The BNP have lost since the last election halving their strength!
    UKIP will continue to bump along the bottom dependent on one performing monkey until it has a thorough and radical clean up to restore it to probity as an ethical party willing to lead Britain to Leave-The-EU – NO OTHER policies are legitimate, legal or required.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  35. gillig
    @Greg_L-W.
    You don’t belong to a political party
    You don’t vote.
    You are not a politician.
    Your arguments are dull, repetitive and lack any credible foundation.
    UKIP do well despite you, so if you want to do something constructive, make a donation.
  36. Hi,
    more misinformation from Graham. Inventing self serving scenarios may place you well but lets face it out of 19,500 electable seats and offices UKIP’s performance after 18 years has been catastrophic.
    It is sad when they had such potential, were our ONLY lifeboat and the majority of the public supported their core message of Leave-The-EU.
    I have conciously used my vote in every possible election and NO I have NEVER joined a political party – nor will I.
    I have actively campaign on political issues almost continuously for over 50 years.
    I have NEVER lied nor wittingly misled yet you have crammed abuse, lies, distortions and misrepresentation into this thread alone – just reread your odious comments and ask how that has helped the cause of Leave-The-EU or UKIP.
    I would reassess your role in life if I were you.
    Start by trying to stick with facts rather than spin, foul language and fantasy.
    Graham Gillis may the truth be of service to you.
    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.
  37. gillig
    @ Greg_L-W
    If you have conciously used your vote in every possible election, and wish to leave the EU, who do you vote for?
    The unconcious party?
  38. Hi,
    for many years I have consistently done the ONLY honest thing I can and written >Leave-The-EU< on my ballot paper.
    There has been no honourable alternative as a vote for UKIP would indisputably be support for corruption and dishonesty and the enrichment of a small claque at the expense of these United Kingdoms.
    You will note UKIP’s utter disinterest in the elections as shown by the fact that not ONE of the blogs of anyone on the web site has mentioned the election in any constructive way.
    No doubt we will hear Farage blaming the electorate for their failure leading to the catastrophic results his leadership have delivered consistently in British Domestic politics!
    The main web site features the blog of some chum of his which I read on 27-Apr-2011 praising Farage – NO WORD of thanks, no words of encouragement, no apologies – NO RESIGNATIONS and in fact no mention of the local elections nor of the unmitigated disaster of having less than 30 elected individuals out of 19,500 seats.
    Get real – UKIP has just become a scam for a claque to self enrich at Britain’s expense whilst stuffing themselves, their bank accounts and eachother in the pleasure domes of Brussels and Strasbourg.
    They can not even put forward a defence and use faceless slime to abuse, denigrate, lie and defame those who seek better for our Country.
    Churchill as a young man said:
    ‘The level of civilisation of a Country may be made by judging how they treaty their prisoners’ – I believe he was wrong because clearly some need execution!

    However I do believe:
    ‘The level of civilisation of a country, party or person is how they treat their opponents’.

    Regards,
    Greg_L-W.

    Perhaps you would care to consider though I doubt you will have the perspicacity to apologise.

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