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#913* – re Mark CROUCHER, UKIP, Cardiff County Court Verdict – My thanks.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/03/2010

#913* – re Mark CROUCHER, UKIP, Cardiff County Court Verdict – My thanks.

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

re: Mark CROUCHER, UKIP, Cardiff County Court Verdict, 18-Mar-2010 – My thanks!


I have been amazed at howmany people have clearly been following this case for a long time and have realised its huge significance to Lee and I and also to Bloggers and the internet in general.

When one realises, as many who have contacted me seem to have done, the incredible significance that in a Court of Law under a law of 1988 which has had very little realistic amendment except by the seat of the pants in various relatively minor cases and Courts by usage.

In 1988 there were in real terms no common usage of electronic transfer of photographic images.

It was not until December 1997 almost 10 years after the act that the first realistic blog was written and transmitted for ‘common’ consumption on the internet though there had been some experimentation within web sites and on Intra Nets starting in late 1994.

The first meaningful usage of a blog was December 1997 however I have been unable to ascertain when the first pictures were posted on a blog.

The most up to date figure I could find for the number of blogs world wide was somewhere over 200,000,000!

Astonishingly the law in use was designed for paper printed copy now with a quite reasonable guestimate running to Billions of pictures on the internet amongst the blogs etc. (I have just noted ONE individual with 15,400+ photos).

We are now talking of many millions of bloggers each day posting blogs with pictures in the virtual reality format in a transient nature where I have failed to identify a single solitary not for profit private blog who pays for readily available pictures.

Further I was unable this afternoon after the case had ended to locate any way in which copyright can be established of the many versions of the pictures for which I was taken to Court being sourced to UKIP or even to Mark Croucher.

I am not attempting to deny UKIP holds the copyright and was unable to afford to front the battle over the claim that Croucher owned the copyright though I am relieved to note his Hon. W. Gaskell specifically stated that Croucher had failed to establish his right of copyright to the Court’s satisfaction despite UKIP having made themselves party to the Court Case by encouraging Croucher with documents put before the Court.

It is an incredibly messy business as it seems copyright is something of a movable feast and not just many facetted but many layered which is why we opted to obtain the best advice I could not afford!

There are after all only 4 Chambers in Britain which specialise in IP, clearly Intellectual Property is a complex and very specific area of law – that my Barrister’s first qualification was Phys.Phil. at St. Hildas and a couple of years measuring the distance between binnary stars before moving on to further qualifications and Law is a measure of her chambers which I understand demands a top level scientific qualification before considering a new associate! The rigor of the discipline denoting the complexity of future cases.

The entire area of law is fascinating but the staggering ramifications of this case were clearly not lost on the legal team as had the quantum endorsed by UKIP and claimed by their agent Croucher been endorsed then it could have led to £1,000s of millions of claims and the shut down of the internet as we know it – thus clearly the case was unlikely to succeed IN MY OPINION – that is not to say that Croucher acting as UKIP’s agent was not in a position to act in a reasonable manner and request removal of the pictures having shown reasonable provenance of copyright beyond reasonable usage and that he had made electronic efforts to show copyright to be retained.

The internet functions on the basis of reasonable trust whereby we the bloggers use pictures on the understanding that we show copyright where displayed, provide credit where it is attributable and use pictures to a greater or lesser extent in the clear understanding that IF a picture’s author having shown right of copyright request the specific removal then of course we (by and large) honour the request whether for credit of for removal.

That UKIP’s agent as their EFD group Media Manager has acted in the manner in which they have does little for the credibility of UKIP and would seem to be something of a monumental own goal for the Party, for it was THEIR staff member with THEIR Chairman’s encouragement that has led to this unhappy affair when a phone call and some polite banter would have solved the entire matter at no cost to UKIP or their agent some 15 months ago.

I am happy to unreservedly apologise to UKIP for using a picture it would seem the Court has deemed to be their copyright, all be it shakily, and will be only too happy to acceded to any reasonable request of removal in the future should I accidentally infringe their copyright over pictures, other than of course pictures which are deemed to be common usage publicity photographs which are by deffinition for publicity, as I would of course for any other individual or organisation whose pictures I have used.

I trust now that UKIP will act expeditiously to ensure the payment ordered by the Court is made rather than further damage their reputation as it would seem in this instance.

There is I understand a photograph of Roger Knapman used somewhere on one of my 40 or so blogs and if UKIP would be so good as to identify the specific picture and show it is not merely a common usage picture for publicity and that they are deemed to hold the copyright I will be only too happy to oblige by removing same, in a spirit of co-operation and conciliation.

May I again thank the humbling number of people who have written articles on the internet or infringed copyright by reproducing articles on the matter!!!!! all over the internet I am truly humbled by the sense of fair play that has been shown by so many thoroughly decent people. Sadly we note the unpleasant remarks or obvious silence from some of the EUkip supporters who are even yet determined to bring EUkip into further disrepute.


What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62


I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country.

Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.



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