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Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/07/2012

Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU
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Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU!

In the form of an open letter related to Leave-The-EU & debate of A Harrogate Agenda!

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as Dr. Richard North knows better than most: UKIP have absolutely no intellectual bottom!

UKIP in 20 years has NEVER had any kind of training program and is endlessly reactive with clearly no vision, no sign of Strategy EVER and notably no tactics.

One only needs to note the racist, xenophobic, criminal, anti Jewish, anti Islamic, anti homosexual links and track record of UKIP to realise they currently offer no part of the solution and have largely befouled and discreditted the EUroSceptic movement – is it any wonder that in terms of British politics UKIP have been a spectacular failure with under 30 people elected to any office of note out of some 19,500 available seats!

It really doesn’t matter what the polls say when very clearly the Ballot Boxes in real elections averages out between 3 > 6% – This places UKIP no closer to a say of ANY consequence at Westminster tyhan in 1993 when alan Sked founded the party.

Subsequent to getting 12 people on the gravy train in 2004 it is hard to identify a single solitary example of an achievement of any note towards the aim of Leave-The-EU – Just what is UKIP for? Beyond of course a small clique’s enrichment and a route to the gravy train for a small claque!

It is all very well for a few elderly men to hang onto their ill informed beliefs and the concept that EUroScepticism is some sort of hobby for their dotage!

The attacks and abuse from UKIP that is poured on the heads of anyone who dares to rattle their grubby little scams is legendary.

Yet again Richard and others have fallen foul of the thought police in UKIP who in their blinkered ignorance listen in adulation to their leader’s 3 cheeky chappie speaches and glib invention of policy on the hoof now that he has engineered a position of dictatorship in his personalised party, for lack of anyone of any consequence, competence or gravitas ever challenging him.

We who truly seek better governanance and an end to Britain’s membership of The EU must move on leaving UKIP behind in its sordid group of extremists, racists and pro EU reform rather than withdrawal of The EFD Group Farage has gathered to make more money!

The Harrogate Agenda is at least thinking about the problems and debating with a view to a way forward – on UKIP’s growth pattern over 20 years it will be at least 100 years before they could ever clearly be in a position of relevance towards the aim of Leave-The-EU or even seriously influence it!

There is a desperate need for a Harrogate Agenda or similar, a need for political thinking, a need for a very clear exiit and survival strategy relative to The EU. Britain has between 7 & 9 days of food supply and after that all food imports are a matter of EU contracts, it would not be possible to make a single international phone call after leaving The EU and France owns 80% of our power supply – It is not some childish concept of pass a paving bill to revoke The ECA and revoke our signature to The Treaty of Rome and its subsequent amendments.

Exit from The EU is only possible through implementation of the terms in the treaties our political elite have stitched us into. Simplistic revocation of our undertakings are bound under The Treaty of Vienna and international laws of consequence rather than the dictum of The EU – Just as The WTO’s consequential relevance is the style of implement we shall have to invoke to set aside any efforts of The EU to restrict Britain’s trade when we Leave-The-EU.

So may I suggest, since UKIP has no vision, plan, strategy or gravitas Press on with The Harrogate Agenda & ANY oportunity for serious debate – perhaps heaven forefend UKIP just might make some efforts to act with some integrity and intelligent debate rather than ‘defending their seats on the gravy train’ with any form of defamatory attack they can make on any true EUroRealist who dares to seek to point out that UKIP has proved it is unfit for purpose in its present state of amateurism and sham clearly aiding The EU in maintaining control of these United Kingdoms against the will of a clear majority of British peoples.

Good luck to Richard and those like him who seek to work towards a solution through debate and rigorous appraisal perhaps The Harrogate Agenda will be the vehicle for progress to change our governance – perhaps just one of the wheels on which that vehicle advances.

IF we fail to change our method of governance then even when we Leave-the-EU we will merely slide into the next political scam that rewards politicians with massive bribes from the public purse made up from the disproportionate taxes levied on their victims.

This is not about You or I nor about enrichment and jobs – this is about us and the future of our peoples, our values and our principles the future of our children and grandchildren in freedom and dignity, stability and self respect.

Thank you to all who have set their egos and agendas aside to debate what will hopefully deliver what we had all hoped UKIP would but which they clearly failed to.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Perhaps as a starting point some may wish to consider:
1. Surely the 6 Point (Harrogate Agenda) should be THE 6 rights of ‘We the people: one people Under Law…’

2. The 6 rights should be headings for 6 or maybe more detailed rights within each sub section can be a method of enhancing, repealing or improving by referendum on a clearly defined & structured basis with defined required majorities for change.

2. The 6 rights should thus be the foundation of OUR ‘Declaration of Rights’ once adopted it can become ‘The Citizen’s Rights’. Note the apostrophe they become the inalienable rights of any one citizen of these United Kingdoms.

3. The Citizens’ Rights must include the expectation of the rights of those that serve them.

THEN:

We move on to how The Citizen’s Rights are incorporated into law under a Constitution of and for these United Kingdoms and its peoples.

I would contend that though, as has been stated, our system is indubitably, if we consider such Constitution and rights as they now stand, FUBAR but worse than that due to abuse – be that the idiotic stance of those seeking what they claim to be doubly entrenched law under such constitution as with Act of Settlement or Magna Carta we now find they have been so abused over the years by a devious ‘political class’ seeing itself as an elite as to be considerably more a case of being FUBAR BUNDY!

I contend we must not presume to plant a fully grown oak tree but rather an acorn.

The progress of that acorn and the degree of care in its nurture will determine the health, strength and durability of the eventual oak but we must not too greatly define it or we become in danger of having a stylised bonsai of little use to ‘We the peeople etc. …’

In brief first we must define the 6 core headings.

In my humble opinion – then the rest will fall into place.

6 core headings which will form our acorn and as I have just proved brevity is harder to achieve than precis ;-(

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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For those who are genuinely interested in a way forward may I suggest see CLICK HERE and read as much as you can find time to and follow the many links – you may even have sufficient interest in the future to join the debate on the Forum linked to the postings.
Good luck as Britain needs it in the face of the ineptitude of its present politicians and the style of governance that has so clearly failed us if not betrayed us!
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UKIP Works with The BNP, The EDL etc.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/07/2012

UKIP Works with The BNP, The EDL etc.
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UKIP Works with The BNP, The EDL etc. but pretends to ban them from UKIP – Clearly the racist extremist Gerard Batten’s position as a UKIP MEP is untenable!!

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You will note the strange bed fellows gathered in what can only be seen as an extremist gathering under the banner of ‘Anti-jihad’ which would seem to be an organisation of racists in xenophobic fear of Islam seemingly inciting others and themselves to racist hatred based on hatred of the superstitions and beliefs of others.
One wonders what part of this race hate is an acceptable part of the duties of an elected UKIP MEP Gerard Batten MEP.
I would contend this has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of Leave-The-EU and the duty of an MEP to serve their constituents regardless of race, colour or creed!

I contend Gerard Batten brings UKIP into disrepute by colluding and consorting with The BNP, The EDL, The BFP, The UBA & other extremists.

See for yourself and read all about this vile collective at CLICK HERE

Organisations

Gerard Batten MEP

Co-founder, UK Independence Party (UKIP), in 1993 and UKIP MEP since 2004.

  • UKIP Spokesman on Immigration and Islamism, since 2010.
  • Activist, Stop Islamisation of Europe (SIOE), since 2007.
  • Member, The Freedom Association (TFA) and former Columnist, Freedom Today magazine, 2004-2009.
  • Launched A Proposed Charter of Muslim Understanding at the European Parliament in Strasbourg on 13 December 2006 and at the House of Lords in London on 29 April 2007.
  • Addressed inaugural CounterJihad conference in Brussels on 18 October 2007. He was helped in producing this document by Sam Solomon.
  • Invited Geert Wilders to the European Parliament in December 2008 to screen his film Fitnato an invited audience of MEPs. The event was subsequently prevented from taking place by the Parliamentary authorities.
  • Met counter-jihadist activists from across the world attending the CounterJihad conference in London on 25 September 2011.
  • Author: Immigration: Action Overdue! (UKIP, March 2010).

Website: http://www.gerardbattenmep.co.uk

Hardly a record to be proud of as he drags UKIP into the gutter of his sordid prejudices!
Tjhere can be few things more brutal and revolting than race hate founded on the abuse of the so called religious beliefs of a group founded on the supertitions of another group a concept of medieval ignorance.
Yet again it is born out that there has been no greater source of evil on this planet than mankind’s determination to invent gods and then set out to force their idiotic inventions on others without a shred of proof or an iota of substance beyond superstitions and hatred!
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UKIP, CIB, TFA etc. are so befouled by association

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/07/2012

UKIP, CIB, TFA etc. are so befouled by association
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UKIP, CIB, TFA etc. are so befouled by association with liars, cheats & low lifes like of Mick McGough!
UKIP is demeaned by such people & by association with The EFD & failure to root out the corrupt in its own leadership clique and its claque of corrupt self seekers!

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Hi,
with at least 25% of the topics & conversation on one of the UKIP controlled Forums being desperate attempts to defame both Junius & this blog for daring to be patriotic, principled supporters of the ideals of the bulk of those, who like us, who support UKIP’s aim to Leave-The-EU which has quite clearly been subsumed by greed, corruption and self interest of its embarrassment in the leadership clique and its claque of self serving wannabes hovering around the honey pot seeking crumbs from the tables on the EU gravy train.
We now have one of the fools in this claque too ashamed to put his name to his naive comment:
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Mick, do you realise how few people read or even know of Junius/GLW?
In fact you probably help their readership by keeping threads like this going.
Just ignore them.
If you think they are writing lies, then who cares.
How very true – but how staggeringly silly in its political naivity – politicians seek numbers as shown by the crass who gather around The Farage Party, which offers no meaningful hope having been a spectacular failure with less than 30 people elected to office out of the 19,500 or so seats available by election in British politics and it has taken 20 years to achieve that!
What the foolish little chap hasn’t understood is that it couldn’t matter less how many of the several 100,000 people who read our blogs actually do know of us, with Junius running at approaching 1/4 Million hits a year and my blogs well into 100s of 1,000s, it is a matter of the quality of those opinion formers who read them.
It is also worth noting how many sites mirror our blogs and howmany on post them or quote them. On one of the UKIP controlled Forums our blogs and ourselves feature in at least 1/3rd of all UKIP postings!
But yet again – who cares how many read our blogs or Twitters it is a matter of calliber and relevance and that would seem to be a good percentage of the total.
As with Twitter where the irrelevancy of followers is matched by the general stupidity of most tweets – hence I TRY to keep those I follow to under 50 so that I can read their posts (unlike the idiotic who obviously read very little following 1,000s) similarly as my Tweets are published on the side bar of my blogs and web sites they are read by many more than those willing to risk the attacks of UKIP leadership claque and the nutters from the Hollie Greig hoax or the McCann publicity machine who do not want to be on the list but clearly read the entries.
Take for instance someone like stephen Fry – who cares what he Tweets? or who is interested in what Nigel Farage’s staff Tweet for him and obviously his Twitter account is dishonest as who on earth has the time to read all those incoming Tweets he merely lets people be on his list to flatter them for political gain. One wonders what percentage of his followers either read his staff’s output or are even in Britain!
Better to be read by one individual of influence and consequence than 10,000 fools!
Ill informed as he is this cowardly poster sheltering in anonymity has not twigged the value of a searchable archive of facts and related views. Nor it seems has he any awareness of the number of mainstream media stories that have been in the media as a result of these two blogs.
No doubt the foolish little fellow is unaware that it was as a direct result of my postings and relentless exposure of corruption that Tom Wise UKIP MEP was eventually put in prison and consider the number of facts regarding corruption that first surfaced in the public domain on these two blogs.
It is our clearly avowed aim to expose the corruption, lies, self enrichment, self interest and utter incompetence of UKIP leadership and its claque of corrupt fools that is at the core of our postings – the aim is to CLEAN-UP UKIP to hopefully make it electable to lead & champion the cause of Leave-The-EU, which it has clearly failed to do.
UKIP had some great (if slow in coming) achievements in the early days reaching its zenith with Roger Knapman at the helm in 2004 – it had effectively, through use of such campaigning as was advocated by Dick Morris – And yes of course what he said was obvious and as with any simple principles nothing he said was new or even his own ideas BUT he put it together for UKIP members in a form they were able to take on board.
WHAT has UKIP achieved since 2004? It had 12 MEPs and all that potential and went on to become a total embarrassment currently up to its neck in half baked policies and pretence to be a political party (we need another political party like a hole in the head) when what we need is leadership to Leave-The-EU.
All that UKIP has achieved since 2004 is a series of thefts by its MEPs and their staff and the rise to control of half wits and political idiots like Mick McGough, Malcolm Pearson, Stuart Agnew, Derek Clark, Gerard Batten, Stuart Parr, Steve Crowther and the list goes on!
Results at the polls in British politics speak volumes with UKIP bumping along averaging out at between 3 & 6% of the actual votes at the ballot box after 20 years!
For trying to CLEAN-UP the party we support to make it electable it is little wonder the clique does not wish to be exposed and their claque are in overdrive with lies, defamatory comments and serial desperation to silence the steady flow of information from Junius and my blogs.
Predictably the response of the proven liar who has stooped to criminality to silence the truth Mick McGough was not long in coming to the quote of the anonymous half wit which I posted above!
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I just want it clearly stated they are liers however small the readership

It would be funny if it were not so sad that this liar McGough has licence as an NEC member in UKIP and part of the hangers on with CIB & bean counter at TFA to keep dragging thes organisations into the gutters he inhabits.
Grovelling when Brahms & Liszt?
For details and cross referenced fact regarding the odious little man CLICK HERE a search of this blog (Search Bar: Top of Right side column or CLICK HERE)
OK it is irrefutably proven that this low life pest Mick McGough is a liar, a cheat and willing to demean himself and his associates with his comments and behaviour and to think he has conned his way onto UKIP’s NEC and uis seemingly respected by the illinformed and less intelligent UKIP members who are clearly unaware of the damage he does.
Lets face it this odious little man is exposed and banged to rights with substantive, corroborated, cross referenced facts as a liar, a cheat, corrupt, dishonest and happy to act criminally to gain his self interested ambitions.
This is not a dredge through half informed ancient history and missquotes, this is not smears and innuendo, this is not dishonest implications, nor idiotic fantasies presented as fact but actual fact backed by hard evidence – yet in the name of UKIP this odious excrecence of a man comes out with this comment:
‘I just want it clearly stated they are liers however small the readership’
OK McGough please identify a single solitary lie of any deliberate nature or material consequence that has appeared on either my blog or that of Junius – minded of the facts CLICK HERE
Mick McGough you are a contemptible serial liar and/or a natural low life as you have shown and has been proven – sadly you are not the only one in UKIP’s claque or its leadership clique with the likes of Derek Clark, David Bannerman, Marta Andreasen, Gawain Towler, Godfrey Bloom, Douglas Denny, Lisa Duffy, Gerard Batten, Peter Reeve, Mark Croucher, Tom Wise and so many more.
Little wonder UKIP in its present state has shown itself to be no part of the solution with consistently low support at the ballot box for British politics and is in fact a very major part of the problem related to our membership of The EU and public desire to Leave-The-EU.
UKIP has lost all credibility in British politics as the ballot box shows. Yet it is noted these low lifes are welcome with open arms by the extremists, racists, anti Jewish, anti Muslim, anti homosexual, advocates of membership of the EU with reform & improvement of control over vassal regions, advocates of violent xenophobia and the utter scum of EUropean politics – what an embarrassment for Britain that UKIP are in cahoots with such trash in The Pan EU Political EFD Group!
But McGough clearly has some pretty questionable friends
I note Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party seen by many as extremist & racist:  http://t.co/e55TLcSK read their material & judge for yourself: CLICK HERE
And then people wonder what I mean by CLEAN-UP UKIP to make it fit for decent informed individuals to vote for to lead or at least parade the values of Leave-The-EU.
Rather than listen to the low lifes of UKIP leadership clique and its odious claque why not take me up on my offer of many years standing – either phone me or arrange to meet me and check THE FACTS.
I am firmly on record as offering to be cross examined regarding the facts I publish on my blogs at any public meeting I can reasonably attend where I will be all too happy to contribute to my aims to work for the cause of Leave-The-EU and towards that aim to seek to Clean-Up UKIP and expose corruption, dishonesty and deceit in public office towards better Governance of Britain and the peoples of these United Kingdoms by the peoples of these United Kingdoms in Britain as a sovereign and independent nation.
The likes of proven liars and self serving low lifes like Mick McGough are clearly bringing UKIP, CIB, TFA etc. into disrepute and hugely assisting The EU by undermining the credibility of the EUroSceptic Movement.
UKIP leadership and the perception it is The Farage Party and the dictatorial controls held by Farage and his clique similarly give a clear air of corruption to add to the already obvious corruption of UKIP as it now is with the incredibly low calliber of its officers, staff and claque does absolutely nothing to help the EUroSceptic cause and it is an undeniable fact that UKIP is of great help to The EU in providing the semblance and pretence of democracy in that they can claim there is an opposition in the EU yet when that opposition jumps through every EU hoop to enrich its leadership and is seen at best as a bunch of inept clowns and at worst as a self serving clique of corrupt fools it does nothing for the aspirations of others to Leave-The-EU.
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AN INTERESTING ASPECT OF UKIp racism

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/07/2012

As yet incomplete posting I shall return with more details – off to enjoy more sunshine having cooled off!
AN INTERESTING ASPECT OF UKIP racism
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here is an interesting juxtaposition of extremists, racists and those seeking seemingly to xenophobia, Zionism and incitement to racial hatred based upon denial of freedom of worship and choice of superstitions and beliefs based presumably on their own bigotted belief in their own various cults & beliefs, superstitions and demands to worship as they wish!
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GUEST POST by: Niall WARRY re: EUro & Harrogate .

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/07/2012

GUEST POST
by: Niall WARRY re: EUro & Harrogate
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Niall Warry

Niall Warry

 

Niall with a career interspersed between service in the British Army in Britain, including Northern Ireland seeking to try to keep the peace  by control of the power struggles of the criminal gangs, and in Canada, with The Royal Green Jackets and The Welsh Regiment retired after 10 years as a regular and went on to 14 years of service in The TA as a Major.

Some of his service was concurrent with 25 years experience in corporate management, as a Regional Manager for Bass.

The first serious political involvement was with Jimmy Goldsmith‘s Referendum Party as a candidate in 1997.

Since then Niall has stood as a candidate in General Elections and became Chairman of what was UKIP Wales for a period. Due to his wife’s death and relocation to Gloucestershire Niall resigned as Chairman of UKIP Wales handing it on having laid the groundwork and formed the structure that led subsequently to the election of John Bufton as a UKIP MEP.

Relocation led to becoming became Branch Chairman of Cheltenham. In this position he organised UKIP’s annual summer party & open day at Jamie Needpath’s (now Lord Kneedpath) – a hugely successful event during the time when UKIP seemed to have some relevance or at least some hope!

Sadly since 2004 UKIP would seem to have achieved absolutely nothing of any consequence in terms of Leave-The-EU.

It was during this period that Niall Warry was appointed to a general managership in UKIP Head Office in Birmingham, but in seeking to structure sound and transparent procedures and finances he fell foul of the corruption in UKIP leadership and did not have his contract confirmed when the probationary period was over.

Hence even now, years later, he is attacked by the corrupt whom he upset – The institutionalised corruption of UKIP became all too apparent when the Treasure Andrew Smith blocked meetings with him though Andrew Smith resigned in opprobrium a little later leaving his bag man the liar Mick McGough to try to cover his flight!

Niall Warry was dishonestly suspended from Farage’s Party for seeking integrity in the party and even this had to be reversed for fear of High Court action which UKIP would almost certainly have lost!

It is sad that since 2004 UKIP has achieved so very little of consequence, with such great opportunities, but much in terms of bad publicity, self enrichment for the leadership claque, placement of some particularly inept and unpleasant staff and numerous cases of Fraud.

Frauds and other odious behaviour which has all too often been denied with the only defence being to attack those who publish the facts!

The frauds etc. have been or are being investigated by OLAF & or The British Police – several orders to repay money fraudulently obtained and used, a prison sentence for one MEP who abused his position of trust and lied to try to wriggle out of his theft ending up in prison so far and of course liars like Derek Clark who tried to con his regional committee into the belief that first of all he was not under investigation and then that Junius & I had lied and made it up and then when proven guilty lied to pretend he was not found guilty.

It is this sort of corrupt behaviour that Niall Warry decided to disassociate himself from so that he could, like myself and others, carry on the patriotic fight  to Leave-The-EU untramelled and unassociated with the pro EU membership reformist stance of Farage’s squalid little clique and its claque.

As a dedicated EUroRealist of many years standing Niall Warry, with no realistic expectation of success at such short notice but with the aim of raising the EU issue stood as an INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance PPC in Somerton & Frome in the General Election and was supported by his partner Angela.

 

A fortunate decision in the long run as the bufoon leading UKIP whilst Farage ‘showed off & came a dismal 3rd. in Buckinghamshire, betrayed the party by waiting until the last minute and calling on UKIP’s candidate to withdraw and support The Tories!
Organisational skills and propensity for listing the work we all have to do makes Niall a natural Leader, bringing his military organisational skills to bear and those of a regional manager for Bass over 25 years!

It is not just that I have known Niall Warry well for almost 15 years that I have offered him a ‘Guest Posting’ but that he has proved to be consistently honest and a dedicated and patriotic EUroReal;ist for so very many years.

I also largely agree with the stance he takes on most issues:

Hi,
When the German papers start to question the Euro you know there is no doubt it is doomed ( see link below).
Sadly if you are relying on our National media for the REAL stories on the Euro crisis you are I’m afraid going to be disappointed.
Apart from the Express the rest editorially still believe we should remain in the EU and renegotiate our terms of membership.
What they fail to understand is that the existing EU treaties especially The Lisbon Constitution Treaty makes it impossible to renegotiate our terms without invoking Article 50 which declares you want to leave.
Only then will a country be able to negotiate with the EU about its terms of membership. No Article 50 no negotiations it really is that simple.
The truth is if you want to really understand what is happening in the EU you need to follow REAL experts like Richard North who along with Christopher Booker of the Daily Telegraph co-wrote the must read book ‘The Great Deception’.
Here is latest contribution from his blog today.   http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=82964
Although Richard’s blog is called EU Referendum it covers ALL the major items of news which concern us including the EU, Defence, Climate Change and British politics etc.
With regards to British politics Richard was the main speaker at a conference I organised on his behalf in Harrogate on the July 14th. There were 33 of us who all shared a belief that before things can be really be improved in our country then our current Parliamentary system of governance needs to be reformed.
As the Chartist had before in 1834 we produced a draft 6 demands in what became our ‘Harrogate Agenda’ and when fully developed and refined will become our ‘Harrogate Declaration’ for better governance.
Richard’s blog is being used as the vehicle for debate and hopefully we will have our Declaration finalised by this  Autumn.
If you are interested to follow the debate and indeed  read news analysis that is REAL then I highly recommend you read Richard North’s blog each day.
Niall Warry.
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It is sad to realise just howmany individuals and activists of value, vision, integrity & patriotism have left UKIP since 2004 CLICK HERE and just how low grade has been both the achievements and the integrity of their replacements and how since 2004 they have moved from being so very many peoples’ hopes to lead the cause of Leave-The-EU to increasingly turn from torch bearer to damp squib as part of the problem rather than any realistic hope of leading to a solution.
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Gary Cartwright on UKIP’s Incompetence +?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/07/2012

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Minded that Gary Cartwright was a long term UKIP supporter & staff member – now working for The EU on behalf of non attached MEPs including Mike Nattrass, Trevor Coleman & Nikkie Sinclaire who have all refused to follow the corrupt diktat & incompetent leadership of Nigel Farage!

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UKIP: Lack of Joined up Thinking, or Something Else?

 

UKIP never showed much of a propensity for joined up thinking. I well remember: the much vaunted policy paper launches which were embarrassing, with content being so controlled (and redacted) from above, and with the suggestion of unseen hands in the background that I eventually came to agree with Roger Knapman – architect of the 2004 Euro election success – that UKIP should have remained a one issue party.

I note an article on their party website complaining that a recently announced cut in wind energy subsidies is not enough – (complaining about wind energy is the party’s stock in trade). But I also note that in UKIP’s aged and out of date environment and energy policy, the party calls for 50% of Britain’s power to come from nuclear generation. I have no problem with that per se, in fact I contributed to that paper, but does the party not realise the extent to which nuclear energy is subsidised in the UK?

Subsidies for nuclear energy are largely disguised, a matter recently brought up with ministers by backbenchers in the Commons. For example: limitation of liabilities, underwriting of insurance costs, subsidising waste disposal, and most importantly providing institutional support for the concept of nuclear energy. Other areas of concern have been identified.

UKIP states in the article I refer to above that “The whole wind farm industry is a con and is not viable without subsidies. It is wrong that the taxpayer should be paying to keep afloat private businesses, often based abroad,…”

British energy, which operates nuclear plants, came close to bankruptcy in 2004, and was saved by, guess what, a government subsidy of £3billion. France’s EDF now owns 80% of British Energy.

Do you see what I mean about lack of joined up thinking?

But as regards UKIP’s position, we have to ask if it is indeed lack of joined up thinking, or is it those aforementioned unseen hands in the backgroung that are responsible for the lack of consistency, at least in this policy area? I personally suspect the latter.

 
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Hi,

isn’t it possibly just The Farage Party jumping on yet another shodily researched & crassly amateurly presented ‘Band Wagon’?

It becomes ever clearer that UKIP has become part of the problem – sustained by a claque of self interested hopefulls, willing to bully, abuse and lie to advance their own chances of enrichment & glory.

UKIP can not cite a single achievement of any consequence towards the aim of Leave-The-EU since 2004 & before that its only real achievement was Roger Knapman leading the party to 12 MEPs (helped by Nigel Farage having lied to Killroy Silk to get him on board & dumped David Lott to ride on the popularity & achievements of Ashley Mote with whom he arbitrarily replaced him – both of whom he stabbed in the back at the first opportunity, standing by his other protege the criminal Tom Wise who gave him some of the stolen money to settle his debts!).

12 MEPs, huge opportunities & huge amounts of money squandered to turn it into The Farage Party, with Farage given near dictatorial powers & falling out with 1/3rd of his own MEPs as he put in place staff who were indebted to him personally for their jobs, thereby ensuring a cabal of protection from willing nebishes!

IF Farage Quit has he so damaged the brand as to ensure it would wither & die, as clearly there is no one of consequence to take over nor any staff or officers of integrity with any morality or integrity. The MEPs collude in silence over the undeniable corruption either in fear of Farage or pure self interested greed – mostly happy to feed on the bribes tolerating or in some cases actively promoting race hatred, religious bigotry, anti homosexuality, nepotism and the trappings of delusional importance.

Farage built the party, helping others who were leaders, in turning it into The Farage Party for lack of ANYONE of probity, competence, gravitas or ability; has he destroyed the very vehicle that has enriched him, after his catastrophic failure in The City before he became a career politician?

It does seem that part of UKIP’s lack of joined up thinking has led to it being a one man band & irrelevant in the cause of Leave-The-EU moving between ‘BandWagon’ jumping, foolish stunts & crassly amateur low grade or even bad publicity!

It is sad to see the party & ideals I supported destroyed & as Gary Cartright implies, there is still an outside chance it could be ‘cleaned-up’ and made Fit for Purpose.

As to this latest ‘Band Wagon’ it is self evident that ONLY via Nuclear energy can Britain ever hope to supply its energy needs and surely it is better to subsidise success than the profits of the con artists with their ugly and ultimately effectively useless windmills. 

I have no problem with subsidy of British supplied British needs – currently we grossly subsidise The EU scam at the rate of £50Billion a day at a current cost of £750 each per annum! How can it be sensible to fund and or subsidise call centers in India & The Phillipines and French suppliers of energy and water whilst subsidies to continental farmers put our bovine interests out of business our pig farmers under Danish ownership and our egg producers at a disadvantage.

Perhaps The Farage Party could be tempted to ‘clean-up’ and start to deliver having achieved absolutely nothing since 2004 save ride the ‘Band Wagon’ of the public’s increasing awareness of the catastrophic nature of membership of The EU – no part of that increase in awareness can UKIP claim as The Farage Party did not even oppose The Lisbon Treaty nor provide literature or trained people to deliver the message – they just don’t do ‘joined up thinking’.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Hi,

I also thought this posting of Gary Cartwright’s was interesting minded that he WAS a long term supporter of UKIP and WAS employed by UKIP:
http://gary-brusselsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/whats-in-word.html

Obviously he has made many other comments on UKIP!

I understand that Gary Cartwright is currently NOT employed by UKIP or any UKIP MEP past or present but is directly employed by The EU on behalf of The Non Assigned Independent MEPs and has been assigned, no doubt for convenience of language and association with their aims to Leave-The-EU to Trevor Colman & Mike Nattrass who have rejected the leadership of Farage and membership of his squalid money making machine The EFD and also is assigned to Nikki Sinclaire MEP who rejected working with Farage’s racist, xenophobic, anti Jewish, anti homosexual, anti Muslim Reformist Nationalist self interest group in The EU.

There are some who claim she was thrown out of UKIP subsequently as she is both openly homosexual and also a patriotic withdrawalist with ideas (viz: her Referendum Petition with which she forced Parliament to hold a full debate on Leave-The-EU).

There is no doubt Nikki Sinclaire’s determination to be transparent and act with integrity & probity investing a substantial amount of her own money in the Leave-The-EU cause has proved embarrassing for the corrupt self serving MEPs in UKIP’s Group.

We note for instance David Bannerman who consistently lies and misleads has been only too willing to hop from party to party out of self interest and can be trusted as far as one could kick him, having openly stated that if he could get a script adopted (read) in Hollywood he would leave politics AND Britain immediately!

OR Gerard Batten who besides enriching his family uses UKIP to produce and distribute his vile overt racists incitements, particularly regarding Islam, in defence of his own chosen superstitions and religious cult.

OR Nigel Farage who pays his wife £30K a year for her services and banks beyond the reach of the British tax man ‘little people’ have to fund with complex trusts, such as The Farage Educational Trust in The Isle of Man etc.

OR Gerard Batten with his employment of family members and apparent failure to clearly differentiate between his other money making enterprises and his duties as an MEP. OR his abuse of elected office when arrested copulating with a black prostitute on the bonnet of a car in a public street using his elected office as shelter claiming diplomatic imunity etc. etc.

Read the rest of my blogs for many many more examples and the factual evidence to back them.

IF you foolishly believe I am ion any way paid to acquit what I consider to be my patriotic duty in exposing corruption on the public purse – please do not judge me by your values! As to the veracity of my blogs see CLICK HERE

Let us not forget it was Sinclaire who first published her full accounts auditted on line; it would seem as a result all sorts of false allegations have been made against her – leading at this stage to a West Midlands Police investigation which seems to center on John Ison, her very much ex manager who had responsibility for her accounts when Nigel Farage controlled them and whether he set out to corrupt them deliberately to mislead the police and whether he acted in collusion with Nigel Farage or his agents.

It does seem farcical to claim or believe that an MEP might be guilty of fraud yet invested considerably more of their own money than the ‘claimed’ fraud.

Sadly I incline to agree with Gary Cartwright in his implications that UKIP is so befouled and corrupted it is unlikely to be fixable with Farage in situe and I incline to believe his destruction of the party for his own gain has reduced it to an irrelevance as clearly there is no one of stature or competence in the leadership team or on the staff – There can not be as without exception they have colluded in the corruption as not one can claim to have spoken out against it.

Read Gary Cartwright’s blog – check out the FACTS on The Junius Blog and at:
htt://UKIP-vs-EUkip.com
see what a huge array of talent has been driven away:
https://ukip-vs-eukip.com/ukip-members-quit

Then read the comments of people like Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr Richard North and juxtaposition that with the dishonesty, outright lies and criminal behaviour of the likes of Mick McGough, Gerard Batten, Derek Clark, David Bannerman, Stuart Parr, Godfrey Bloom, Stuart Agnew and their ilk – not to mention a host of Farage sock puppets on and off of his staff with silly names to hide their lies behind.

It would be nice to think that the party people like Gary Cartwright, Niall Warry, the Junius posters, myself, Nikki Sinclaire, Petrina Holdsworth, Dr. Edmond, Dr. Abbott, myself and so many others once supported could be revivified but sadly the greed and personal agendas & ambition of the sordid clique leading UKIP and its claque will fight tooth and nail to hang onto their bloated income stream.

But we can but try – until an organisation of probity, vision, competence and gravitas is able to step up to the plate to lead Britain to Leave-The-EU – preferably before its collapse as then it can be done in an orderly manner unlike the rout in Iran and the idiocy and failure in Afghanistan that reflects British political elite of today!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Some documents that may arm you to Leave-The-EU

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Some documents that may arm you to Leave-The-EU
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A quick list that may help and will continue to grow!

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Hi,
in default of any apparent organisation seeking to assist people with a broad list of documents relative to the patriotic cause of Leave-The-EU and the fact that there is no respectable main stream organisation making any serious effort to inform the British peoples I hope this aggregation of information will be of help.
It is noted that even UKIP with its pretence to wish to Leave-The-EU would seem only to be interested in ANY bird brained band waggon jumping that furthers the carreer and income of its political elite aided by a claque of wannabes and parasites willing to lie, dissemble, abuse and defame to progress their personal ambitions at the cost of these United Kingdoms.
In 20 years UKIP have failed to even put forward any kind of clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy’ relative to The EU. endlessly posturing in the pretence of being yet another political party, as if there were not enough parasites in Government and on the Gravy Train.
In fairness UKIP now has flitted from band waggon to band waggon proclaiming policies on the hoof, ill considered, poorly costed and singularly un democratic even making, from time to time claims of being Libertarian with clearly little understanding of the meaning of the word as displayed by their willingness to harrass, abuse, defame and lie about anyone who dares to criticise them – as with Nikki Sinclaire, Greg Beaman, John West, Richard Suchorzewski, Niall Warry, Gary Cartwright, those at Junius, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott, Petrina Holdsworth, myself and so many more.
Be minded that this vile behaviour on the part of UKIP leadership clique and its parasitic claque is funded from the public purse and officially sanctioned by Farage’ part and the racist, anti Jewish, anti Islamic, anti homosexual EFD Group in the EU!
CHARTIST 6 DEMANDS The Britain, British peoples, CHARTIST DEMANDS, Law + Justice
AMERICAN DECLARATION of INDEPENDENCE English law, United States, United States Declaration of Independence
AMERICA – The BILL of RIGHTSBILL of RIGHTS USA, United States
#GD044* – Elisabeth BECKETT to HM The QUEEN 21-Jan… Elisabeth BECKETT Letter to HMtQ BECKETT Elisabeth
#GD043* – Articles 263/264/265 Articles 263 264 and 265, Committee of the Regions, Treaties of the European Union, Wales, Welsh Assembly, Welsh Devolution
#GD042* – BILDERBERG MEETING #03 – 1955 Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg Meeting #03 1955, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, New World Order
US CONSTITUTION Constitution of USA, United State, US CONSTITUTION
#GD041* – Enoch POWELL An Example & Genius for US … BBC, David Starkey, Enoch Powell, Sean Gabb
#GD040* – William Lord BEVERIDGE – Report Abstract… BEVERIDGE, Insurance, Lord BEVERIDGE, NHS, Pension, Politics, Social insurance, Social Security, Social Security Administration, William BEVERIDGE
#GD039* – NHS & WELFARE STATE The BEVERIDGE REPORT… BEVERIDGE, Clement Attlee, Insurance, Lord BEVERIDGE, NHS, Pension, Politics, Social insurance, Social Security, Social Security Administration, Welfare State, William BEVERIDGE
#GD038* – WORLD REPORTS – Christopher STORY Christopher STORY, WORLD REPORTS
#GD036* – The Act of Settlement, 1701 Act of Parliament, Act of Settlement 1701, Crown, House of Lords, James I, King’s Speech
#GD035* – EU CITIZENSHIP – A LEGAL OPINION Citizenship, Citizenship of the European Union, EU Citizenship, European Court of Justice, European Union, European Union law, Legal Opinion, Michael SHRIMPTON, SHENTONS Solicitors, SHRIMPTON Michael
#GD033* – CIVIL CONTINGENCIES BILL Civil Contingencies Act 2004, Douglas Alexander, European Convention on Human Rights, Human Rights Act 1998
#GD032* – CHURCHILL & The EUropean MovementEuropean Union, Rudyard Kipling, Winston Churchill, World War II
#GD031* – MAGNA CARTA – Notated BRITISH CONSTITUTION, British Council, British people, Human rights, Law, Magna Carta, Magna Carta Notated, United States
#GD030* – DEVOLUTION of BRITAIN’S REGIONS for The … Committee of the Regions, European Economic Community, European Union, Member state of the European Union, REGIONALISED DEVOLUTION, Treaties of the European Union
#GD028* – BILL of RIGHTS 1688 Bill of Rights 1689
#GD026* – KNIGHTS of MALTA Catholic Church, Ignatius Loyola, KNIGHTS of MALTA, Pope, Society of Jesus
#GD025* – Jane Burgermeister – The KNIGHTS of MALT… Austria, Big Pharma, Jane BURGMEISTER, KNIGHTS of MALTA, Pharmaceutical lobby
#GD020* – THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION – EUROPEAN SEC… TRILATERAL COMMISSION, TRILATERAL COMMISSION – EUROPEAN GROUP
#GD021* – THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION – NORTH AMERIC… TRILATERAL COMMISSION, TRILATERAL COMMISSION – NORTH AMERICAN GROUP
#GD022* – THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION – PACIFIC ASIA… TRILATERAL COMMISSION, TRILATERAL COMMISSION – PACIFIC ASIAN GROUP
#GD023* – THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION – OTHER AREAS TRILATERAL COMMISSION, TRILATERAL COMMISSION – OTHER AREAS
#GD019* – – CHRISTOPHER STORY FRSA – IN MEMORIAM… Ashley Mote, Chepstow, Christopher STORY, CIA, In Memoriam, Intel, Murder, Perestroika, STORY, Wanta
GD018 – AGENDA 21 – UN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPEMENT! AGENDA 21; Sustainable Developement;
#GD016* – PRAVDA on The LISBON CONSTITUTIONPRAVDA; New CONSTITUTION; EU CONSTITUTION; LISBON
#GD015* – The Rise of New Labour – Robin Ramsay Ramsay; Robin Ramsay; New Labour; The Rise of New Labour; Book; Lord Levy;
#GD014* – ‘Germany’s Four Reichs’ by Harry BECKHOU… Germany; Nazi; Reich; Beckhough; Harry Beckhough;
#GD002* – NEW WORLD ORDER Chronology Pt.1 New World Order; NWO; DL Cuddy; Cuddy; Protocols of Zion;
#GD001* – NEW WORLD ORDER Chronology Pt.2New World Order; NWO; DL Cuddy; Cuddy; Protocols of Zion;
#GD044* – Elisabeth BECKETT to HM The QUEEN 21-Jan… BECKETT Elisabeth, Elisabeth BECKETT, Letter to HMtQ
Enoch POWELL’ Prescient ‘Rivers of Blood’ Speech o…Enoch Powell, Immigration, Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Blood speech
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A Roundup & A Bit More ;-)

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A Roundup & A Bit More 😉
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I note that the long past mainstream DJ Mike Read is being hugely promoted as some achievement as a convert for UKIP – Is it imagination or does UKIP only catch the spent shells rather than command the respect of the full round!

I remember Mike Read from the days of Radio Caroline where he broadcast but I presume he never moved on and remained in either children’s entertainment or as the oldest swinger in town with some obscure kids programme as I had not heard of him since unlike a number of the successes from those days like Tony Blackburn.

Just a quick check on Wiki & clearly I am wrong as he did not start as a broadcaster until much later & was on Radio Luxembourg so NOT with iconic names like DLT, Simon Dee, Tony Blackburn & the like on Caroline!
I was right in my assumtion of his obscurity as I was out of Britain in the ’70s and his manstream carreer seems brief as he left the BBC in 1991 but hung on in the business in local radio so perhaps I can be forgiven for not having heard of him.
However I did think the juxtaposition on the UKIP controlled forum which was a little unkind to this elderly DJ!
What he is expected to bring to UKIP in political competence, gravitas, vision or even cash they fail to mention!
I guess when one has no one of any probity or gravitas I guess that means you have to make the most of such as he.
To be fair UKIP do have a genuine economist on board but like most economists he tends not to say the right things at the right time letting his theories overide political expediency rather frequently in his attacks on UKIP & denounciation of its leadership from time to time!
I do note – as I Twittered previously – he has taken up on the idea that we launched on EUroRealist several years ago when Harry Randall kindly produced a costing of EU membership updating it every 1/4; as he assured me, not so very complex as it was based upon the Government Pink Book produced 1/4ly.
The concept was later taken up using public money, by Gerard Batten and I believe his brother was in some way involved with the printing – for Gerard Batten to claim his brother is retired, as he has recently, was of course bunkum unless he made so much out of his nepotistic relationship with Batten he decided to retire!
Anyway – to continue you will find Tim Congdon’s more recent developement of our idea very helpfull I’m sure as he does have his own economic think tank to back his theories and it will be interesting to compare his version of the cost of EU membership with William Hague’s planned assessment!
You will be pleased to note that Tim Congdon has generously made his information readily available and has also badged a version for UKIP’s benefit see CLICK HERE for the early drafts he has made available.
You may well find some of his papers at IMR Ltd of help in understanding the global economic problems and particularly those of The UK as a result of EU membership.
I believe that William Hague’s planned assessment will be all too prone to presenting the costs of membership of the EU from the corrupt self serving position of the political elite, who do so well out of it, at the expense of the British peoples who are paying £50Million a day or a sum equivalent to £750 per annum per citizen!
I note the efforts of Dr. Richard North, Niall Warry and others to draw up, via their ‘Harrogate Agenda’, a Chartist style 6 points or key resolutions to seek better Governance. Sadly a thankless task as it runs counter the ambitions of self serving groups like the political elites including UKIP, CIB and Better Off Out who all have their personal ambitions far before the needs of these United Kingdoms and our peoples.
That which does not threaten such ambitions would seem to fall foul of the egos of the many inadequates in their entorage!

I stress again my support for the stated original values, principles and aims of UKIP, still espoused by some of its members but clearly not just suffused but rejected by its leadership who know no vile act of false witness, dishonesty and bullying too low to stoop to to defend their personal ambitions – So very redollent of the political elite relative to The EU of which UKIP leadership have become a very real part now seemingly enemies of liberty seeking by defamation to suppress free speech, honest beliefs and even criticism be it constructive or not.

UKIP have clearly, in becoming the antithesis of Libertarian or even for that matter probity, intergrity and ethicality, it has become very much a part of the problem increasingly clearly with no part in the solution.
To listen to those rewarded from the public purse preaching and persecuting others whilst trousering huge sums of money relative to the incomes of many who contribute to their well being and then banking beyond the reach of British tax authorities as does Nigel Farage with his sophisticated trusts in The Isle of Man and his Belgian bank accounts perks exploited by many amongst the political elite particularly those exploiting their positions in The EU.
We then have their ambitious claque with the timmerity to lie and dissemble in their attempts to defame dedicated EUroRealists who dare to point out the corruption!
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More Lies Due Any Second!!
Consider the constant childish name calling of buffoons like Mick McGough who do The EU’s work for them and seek to defame critics of the corruption of UKIP which so undermines The EUroSceptic cause – unlike his puppet masters, whose coat tails he hangs onto, people like myself, Niall Warry, Richard North, Junius and many more are motivated by our honest beliefs, honestly held so astonishing to one with his ‘morality’ who can not understand duty or belief and is insistence we all act as he would ‘for money’!
The comments and chatterings of such as Mick McGough and an army of cowards bullying on the internet to seek to intimidate to suppress the truth speaks volumes of the calliber of those who have risen to destroy UKIP as a principled and honourable organisation.
Consider this idiotic comment from Mick McGough and do remember this is the odious little man who colluded with Andrew Smith in the corruption of the accounts of UKIP and for which Andrew Smith as treasurer quit and ran from the post when challenged even having circulated eMails advocating and advising how UKIP senior members as to how to cheat The Electoral Commission. An eMail published in full by me some ages ago!
It was that eMail which was a strong part of The Electoral Commissions case against6 UKIP – which as many will remember UKIP lost hands down, only protecting themselves from even greater sentence by invoking and sheltering from British Justice by the device of EU protection!
Do remember it was after all Mick McGough who was so clearly exposed and displayed as a liar who had set out to cheat his colleagues and the electorate – set out in UKIP’s Returning Officer’s own report on corruption in UKIP’s own corrupt methods – that minded note his comment:
Allegedly ?
Being cautious are we Niall? So unlike your lying puppet master who posts without corroboration or due diligence.

Rather than smoke with fire I think you’ll find they’re the remarks of a foreign woman scorned;another example of what we’ve had to endure from unlimited uncontrolled immigration from the EU.

Strange isn’t it that you ,Junius and GLW support the likes of the benefit fraudster Mote and another under investigation .
What a perverse world you inhabit;thank God you are in the minority

Let us fisk this item by item as a matter of record:
Allegedly ?
A device which has no validity under law as shelter from dishonesty.
Being cautious are we Niall?
Clearly not as it would seem that since he has not seen the wealth of documentary provenance and may not have witnesses of Gertard Batten’s racist statements and behaviour he has warned that in his case he is speaking to allegations made.
So very redollent of the standard of integrity of Mick McGough that he tries to smear by distortion!
So unlike your lying puppet master who posts without corroboration or due diligence.
Mick McGough seems to be only too willing to oiverlook his own libellous comments as he is completely unaware of the dilligence taken, nor the corroboration accrued nor even the documentary support of the facts published – yet he is all too willing to lie to support his claims and invent material to make his case.
Those who know Niall Warry or anything of him will appreciate just what fools they make of themselves in the pretence that he acts as ANYONE’s puppet!
Niall Warry is no McGough and acts out of duty, patriotism and principle.

Rather than smoke with fire I think you’ll find they’re the remarks of a foreign woman scorned;another example of what we’ve had to endure from unlimited uncontrolled immigration from the EU.

Yet another very typical example of UKIP’s insidious racism and xenophobia – What evidence does McGough have that Jasna Badzak, a victim of the largely EU created war in The Balkans I understand is now a legitimate resident in The UK married and if not actually  an assylum seeker clearly justified in her presence on those grounds.

Even the undeniably racist Gerard Batten with his vile rants about Islam and foreigners willingly employed this particular ‘foreigner’ Mick McGough defames as an ‘alien’ in one post and a perfidious and dishonest ‘foreigner’ in another. Might this be a case of an Irishman by origin seeking inclusivity one wonders just as the trustees in the death camps of The EU of Germany were as Jews willing to curry favour by abusing other Jews for their Nazi masters!

Strange isn’t it that you ,Junius and GLW support the likes of the benefit fraudster Mote

Perhaps Mick McGough – rather than seek to defame could identify where those at Junius, Niall Warry or I have EVER endorsed criminality – Whether in respect of Ashley Mote or any other, yet I well remember the vile attacks and criminality of those in UKIP which I endured, by way of both harrassment, cyber bullying and defamatory lies and distortion, as they set aout to protect Tom Wise who I denounced as a criminal yet UKIP took no action of any consequence save in seeking to defame me!

You may recall the list of dishonest and corrupt UKIP leadership and those in its claque who set out to cover-up the criminality of Tom Wise and who lied and distorted, bore false witness and sought to defame me for having the timerity to denounce his corruption that led to his prison sentence for two years:

and another under investigation .
I doubt somehow that Mick McGough is alluding to Stuart Agnew or David Bannerman who are under investigation by OLAF, nor of Gerard Batten who is I umnderstand under investigation, nor even Derek Clark who was found guilty of theft from the public purse and ordered top repay a considerable amount of money and is I believe still subject of investigation by The British Police having had the OLAF file passed to them – let us not forget when I denounced Dererk Clark for his fraud as boasted of in public and his dishonesty and corruption how UKIP claque in efforts to curry favour attacked me.
Even now Derek Clark lies to the regional committee and has regularly lied about me and made efforts to defame me – Yet again the facts have proved me right and Derek Clark has been exposed as a liar and a cheat, a low life beneath contempt who abuses his office for gain – let us not forget that it was I who published the details when he carried outNigel Farage’s bidding to obtain new members in his grubby little EU Group which would earn him more money and control of wehat was then the 400 budeget now renamed  to obfuscate yet still under Farage’s control, as with the budget for international travel which seem to be used, not for travel which he has denied UKIP MEPs but actually seems to use as bribes to buy extremist MEPs from other countries at UKIP expense!
Similarly I doubt Mick McGough is alluding to Graham Booth who was found guilty of fraudulent abuse of the public purse and ordered to repay the money or Jeffrey Titford or Nigel Farage who have similarly been found guilty of defrauding the public purse and ordered to repay monies.
Similarly I doubt he is referring to the fact that Nigel Farage was recently called in by the British Police and questioned regarding allegations of fraud against another that would seem to be in themselves dishonest and we gather the aim was to establish just how close to the corruption Nigel Farage’s position is and whether it was an act instigated on his instruction.
Nor I presume is Mick McGough alluding to the potential for follow up action in the High Courts against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Blook and UKIP which has been temporarily set aside by Nikki Sinclaire who received an unequivocal apology subsequent to the guilty verdict against Farage, Bloom and UKIP and there are those who believe that in an effort to avoid High Court action the ambitions of a gullible and stupid dupe John Ison was exploited to try to defame Nikki Sinclaire with falsified accounts which John Ison was paid to keep in order!
What a perverse world you inhabit;thank God you are in the minority
I fully understand why the likes of Mick McGough ‘thank their Gods’ that the likes of Junius, Niall Warry and myself are in a minority – it is a sad reflection that he perceives the honest who risk the wrath of the corrupt by exposing the truth are in a minority.
Again and again the odious claque of UKIP befoul the aims of the majority of their members by their desperate attempts to suppress the truth.
What party finds the obscene racist behaviour as covered on You Tube and in a double page spread in The News of The World not only acceptable but permitted Malcolm Lord Pearson to be their leader and never once denounced his behaviour.
Just what party of duty as an elected representative of the peoples of London are the vile attacks on Islam by Gerard Batten and his seeming efforts to incite racial hatred (seems to work noting Mick McGough’s veiled racism!).
What censure of UKIP’s present leader was ever made for his childish insecurity and drunken exploits with a prostitute that found UKIP with a double page spread in the same Sunday Paper.
The good folk of UKIP do not even have the courage to denounce the vile behaviour of the drunken clown Godfrey Bloom – no doubt to scared of the odious UKIP attack dogs in the harrassment claque who they know would round on them if they dared to denounce his childish and irresponsibility urinating in the corridors of Expensive Hotels he stays in as a rep[resentative of UKIP and OUR Country.
They do not even comment or censure when he is arrested copulating with a black prostitute on  the bonnet of a car in a public street in Brussels and subsequently pleading ‘diplomatic immunity’ to avoid charges or was that when he was arrested for absconding from a bordello in an effort to avoid paying for the affections and services he had bought!

Just as now it is noted that many in UKIP are harrassing me and dishonestly defaming me for having the timerity to publish material that is in the public domain already regarding Gerard Batten – material which would seem largely if not totally to be true.

May I remind readers that Gerard Batten has publicly lied about me, corrupted justice and colluded with Derek Clark & Douglas Denny to prevent justice in the case of the Kangeroo Cort held against Peter Baker.
Gerard Batten has further sought to intimidate and suppress the truth and wasted police time in abuse of his office very deliberately to dishonestly harrass me bearing false witness to seek to have the police act unlawfully on his behalf.
It is the very many proven instances of corruption on the part of Gerard Batten and his criminal associates and extemist chums that leads me to believe that in substance the material received from Jasna Badzak which has been published is in fact true.
Perhaps it is her intention that Gerard Batten acts against her for providing the material so that she can lay out the full documentary evidence and evidence she holds – frankluy I do NOT know and obviously I shall not publish further material I hold without it either being presented elsewhere in the public domain or should I receive further corroboration and substantiation.
As I have stated Gerard Batten is perfectly at liberty to request a right of reply or if he is able to present evidence that the facts provided are untrue I will obviously publish the full details and a detailed apology for having presumed that alt6hough I inclined to believe the evidence of Jasna Badzak I had not published until it was in the public domain and have only published that which is to date.
I stress again CLICK HERE clearly the aim is to publish the truth not sink to the level of falsehood, name calling and childish defamatory comments of UKIP so as to Clean-Up UKIP and try to make it electable to represent the cause of Leave-The-EU for decent honourable and informed individuals not just see it as a rather unpleasant clique of self serving low lifes kept in place by the ambitions of the claque of fools and charlattans mostly on the make an the take!
To be fair Mick McGough is not the only slime in the pack here are the comments of some coward passing themselves off as Arthur Fonzarelli to lie and dissemble:
I nearly choked on a latte when I read that Mr Warry. That’s because here you are, doing the dirty work of Mr Lance-Watkins and the Junius owners (all of whom are banned from here for refusing to substantiate allegations made) and I’m sure if push came to shove, they would drop you like a hot coal. Indeed, there are a number of people who have over the years had every last bit of use squeezed from them by Mr Lance-Watkins and then thrown aside as if they were yesterday’s newspaper. So yet again, you amuse me with your short-sightedness
Let us consider this self serving drivel:
I nearly choked on a latte when I read that Mr Warry.
Pretentious and rather silly – who cares?
That’s because here you are, doing the dirty work of Mr Lance-Watkins and the Junius owners
Perhaps it has not occurred to AF as a result of their motivation by money or the normality of doing the bidding of others that someone like Niall Warry carries out his own beliefs in his own right with honesty and integrity to try to clean-up UKIP as a long term supporter and even longer term EuroSceptic.
A EUroSceptic with varied success but a 100% track record of making such efforts as he can and at his own expense – unlike so many of his critics in UKIP!
(all of whom are banned from here for refusing to substantiate allegations made)
A LIE I was NOT banned for making false allegations I was banned for consistently repeating the truth and every single posting I ever made on the UKIP controlled forum in question is and was 100% verifiable and verified but one can hardly expect an apology from someone who lacks the integrity and ethics to put their name to their defamatory lies!
and I’m sure if push came to shove, they would drop you like a hot coal.
I can not speak for those at Junius though I have no reason to believe these claims to be one iota more accurate about Junius than they are lies with regard to me!
Indeed, there are a number of people who have over the years had every last bit of use squeezed from them by Mr Lance-Watkins and then thrown aside as if they were yesterday’s newspaper.
Another defamatory lie from the dishonest coward – NAME ONE!
So yet again, you amuse me with your short-sightedness
Sadly there is absolutely nothing about the damage done to The EUroSceptic movement by liars and cowards like this odious little creep, who unfortunately is representative of so many who debase and befoul UKIP, making it unfit for purpose as reflected by its abysmal track record at the ballot box of British Politics with less than 30 seats held through election out of some 19,500 available – clearly after nearly 20 years they can only be seen as an abject failure.
UKIP due to the likes of its leadership, staff, candidates and officers is not only unfit for purpose but contemptible in its racism, anti homosexuality, indifference to democratic principles, self seeking, self enriching, anti Judaism, fear of Islam and sordid associates be they British criminals like Gregory Lauder-Frost seen by most respomnsible individuals as an extremist or the gutter extremists of EU politics in their contemptible EFD Group which 1/3rd of UKIP’s own MEPs refuse to sit with despite the money it makes Nigel Farage!
To quote Nigel Farage:
The UK is no closer to a referendum

One has to concede he is probably right on this point but lets face it he and UKIP seem to have done almost everything possible to block the very successfull efforts of Nikki Sinclaire in this direction and when she and she alone led a campaign which UKIP refused to participate in she managed to gather a team and invest both her expenses and her own income in gaining well over 100,000 signatures and forcing Parliament at Westminster to have a full blown debate on the matter.

Yet we had the odious spectacle of Farage acting the charlatan and turning up to TRY to steal the praise for Nikki Sinclaire’s achievements.
Many will remember when UKIP allegedly organised a petition when it did seem that well over £1/4Million of tax payers money wound up in the pockets of David Lott, Nigel Farage and Mark Croucher as the so called organiser of a petition that never took place and can only have been so crassly and incompetently organised deliberately!
Indeed we are no closer to a referendum and it would noty be unreasonable to say – largely due to Nigel Farage’s Party – whether by incompetence, dishonesty or design I leave it to you to weigh the evidence!
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That UKIP has a liar and low life like McGough on its NEC as a spokesman & The CIB & The Freedom Association associate with such an odious fantasist speaks volumes of their current ability to represent EUroScepticism!

Obviously IF there is EVER an In/Out Referendum the likes of McGough will preclude any possibility such organisations will have of being taken seriously – Sadly he is not the only fool in UKIP leadership clique and its claque in fact they seem without one iota of gravitas or credibility!

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Nigel Farage MEP and Michael McGough

Nigel Farage MEP and Michael McGough (Photo credit: The Freedom Association)

Mick McGough is a proven liar and a cheat who was exposed as a liar and cheat by the report of UKIP’s returning officer having lied to deceive the electorate in selection as an MEP to fulfil his personal ambitions & no doubt for personal gain!

His desperate distortions and utterly irresponsible and repetitive misrepresentations are, one is forced to assume, deliberately damaging to the EUroSceptic movement  – for it is hard to conjecture any other reason he makes such a fool of himself with his lies and criminally obsessive behaviour under law.

You will note this odious excrecence’s foolish fantasies and dishonesties below in starting a thread on Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled public forum when he is, rather embarrassingly, on UKIP’s NEC!!
Here is his foolish thread and the responses so far – I have commented clearly prefixed G.L-W>> & ended <<
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    Is it because they are paid to do so?

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    G.L-W>> An interesting speculation which he makes time and again without a shred of evidence in an attempt to dishonestly defame despite clear statements from myself and others as to EXACTLY why as a dedicated EUroRealist I have supported UKIP as founded, for many years and seek to expose the corruption and lies of the likes of Mick McGough and those like him who use it as a vehicle for their own dishonesties and those using it to fulfil personal ambitions and self enrichment!

     

    Please be assured that I have not, am not and never have been paid in any shape manner or form for my totslly consistent track record of opposition to Britain’s membership of The EU.<<

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    It amazes me that no one seems to know who ‘Junius’ is (?).
    I can’t think anyone pays GLW, as his writing style is so off-putting.

    G.L-W>> It is hardly surprising that those who post under the name of Junius retain their anonimity, as if their identities were known it is unlikely that they would be able to obtain much of the information of corruption, dishonesty, racism, bullying and abuse that are prevalent in UKIP’s heirarchy – not to mention the utter incompetence that makes them unfit for purpose as any kind of standard bearer for EUroScepticism.

    As to my writing style I can respect the opinion given and just as some may find the style ‘off putting’ the reade4rship figures of the material I have written over the years would indicate others may find it of interest – Each to his own!

    Just rather a pity this individual lacks the conviction of his comments to put his name to them – a cowards option which demeans the value of tyhe comments!<<

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    Splendid question Mr McGough.

    G.L-W>> some indication of the motivation and stupidity of this cowardly poster! <<

    If only we had an idea because I personally do not believe that they want to ‘clean up UKIP’ as they claim, rather they wish to destroy it.

    G.L-W>> Further proof that this poster is without doubt wrong with regard to myself and also I believe with regard to those who post at Junius – there is clear proof that I have consistently worked to try to ‘Clean-up’ UKIP from exposing the frauds of Tom Wise aided by Lindsay Jenkins and the attempts of Nigel Farage, Mike Nattrass, Roger Helmer, Bob Feel Martinis, Mick McGough, Anthony Butcher and others to protect this criminal who was eventually sentenced to 2 years in prison for his false accounting, fraud, embezelling and theft from the public purse in abuse of his elected office of trust!

     

    Perhaps this idiot presenting with the fake name would have the integrity to be identified or as I suspect are they merely protecting their position and that of others exploiting UKIP & EUroScepticism for personal gain.

     

    His comments are clearly fantasies without a shred of substantive provenance – no wonder they are too ashamed to put their name to their dishonesty.<<

    The latest claims against Mr Batten should indeed prove to be their undoing and I dearly hope Mr Batten will be consulting his lawyers in due course.

    G.L-W>> Gerard Batten has a track record proven and in the public domain of association with those reasonable individuals would consider to be racist, extremist and criminal. Further Gerard Batten has provably acted in a manner that is indubitably dishonest, corrupt and holding Justice in contempt.

    Gerard Batten has beyond any doubt acted in a manner likely to be considered an incitement to racial hatred based on his personal superstitions, fears and beliefs.

     

    That known about Gerard Batten and the duplicitous exploitation of his position to seek to suppress the truth and waste Police time by bearing false witness is beyond doubt – Thus the publication of Jasna Badzak was I believe made in good faith by those at Junius – in an effort to expose corruption within UKIP leadership as Junius have so many times before.

     

    To date I am not aware of a single solitary item posted of any material fact that is consequentially wrong or in any way untrue on their blog.

     

    Just as to date NEVER has it been shown that a single fact of any consequence published on my blog was untrue, false or dishonest, or even designed to mislead.<<

    It is very interesting to see the lack of honour among the chief protagonists with Mr Edwards now claiming that Junius may have been set up into publishing false information, a charge that is rejected by both Mr Lance-Watkins and (given their links to Mr Lance-Watkins’ rebuttal) the Junius team.

    G.L-W>> Perhaps the dishonourable coward making these allegations could identify with evidence how Junius or myself have in any way acted dishonourably – unlike himself! <<

    It would appear that the net is closing on the Junius team and this may have been one lie too many

    G.L-W>> Perhaps rather than fantasise the cowardly and dishonouarble poster could identify a single solitary ‘lie’ that Junius has written in many 100s of postings.

    Rather than dishonestly imply that somewhere Junius has ‘lied’ an example would add credibility to this cowardly low life’s anonimous postings and inuendo.<<

    – my personal belief is tht the Junius team have shown an almost Mr Warry like speed to publish the claims without seeking to verify them

    G.L-W>> I note this cowardly excrecence is seeking to defame with a broad brush demeaning themselves by so doing as clearly Mr. Warry has like Junius and I merely acted in good faith as a EUroRealist of long standing, in efforts to ‘clean-up’ UKIP seeking an organisation fit for purpose to represent or lead the EUroSceptic movement. <<

    – the headline is, for them on this occasion, to good to resist. Big mistake

    G.L-W>> So even underhand cowards have opinions though clearly he is not adequately convinced to put his name to his malicious self serving fantasies.<<

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    Its a falling out among thieves.

    G.L-W>> I resent and reject the implication in the attempt to smear and defame that I am or have ever been a thief or have ever acted dishonestly or dishonourably.

    I note even the poster is insufficiently convinced of his fantasy to put his name to his dishonesty.<<

    GLW used to get party inside information from Nigel Farage

    G.L-W>> May I ask what evidence the cowardly poster can present to support his claim and as there is none perhaps they will have the integrity to withdraw the allegation and apologise having the integrity to put his or her name to the correction. <<

    and used it to denigrate persons such as Mike Nattrass, Damian Hockney,etc.

    G.L-W>> Another dishonest and duplicitous effort to defame without a shred of evidence. <<

    Farage and he then fell out.

    G.L-W>> An outright lie – my opinion of Farage has not changed since I first became aware of him and I have NEVER fallen out with Farage – his insecurities are for him to deal with! <<

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    Trying to make mischief again I see mick!

    Let’s just assume for a second that this was a ‘set up’ then they have published a ‘set up lie’ not a direct lie.

    Also in years of publishing ‘stuff’ on the true nature of EUKIP I’d say Junius and GLW have been very accurate.

    And despite I’m sure Nigel and Co wishing to silence them only one court case over the copyright of a photograph which they LOST and have still to settle the costs.

    So they obviously are prepared to go to court so why not endless court cases against Junius and GLW?

    I’ll tell you why because Junius and GLW tell you how it is in EUKIP and don’t lie in what they report.

    Oh and BTW thanks mick for giving me the opportunity to explain the above to the viewing public to this forum.

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    G.L-W>> My thanks to Niall warry for his honourable effort to present the truth which is in virtually every aspect correct. <<
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    As you probably know Niall the coward GLW has in the past stopped posting about individuals because of threats of violence.

    G.L-W>> Yet another outright lie from Mick McGough in a desperate effort to defame and to save face for his consistent dishonesty.

    I have NEVER ceased to openly state the truth on any subject by threat of any kind from any source.

    Michael McGough your consistent dishonesty and outright misrepresentations and lies consistently bring EUroScepticism into disrepute and greatly aids the EU in discreditting the movement – Your actions are cowardly, contemptible and at times criminal.<<

    Trouble is most of those he attacks are too civilised and resorting to law is costly .

    G.L-W>> I have ALWAYS offered a right of reply, ALWAYS offered the right of correction of any point I have accidentally got wrong CLICK HERE and have consistently been willing to be cross examined in any public meeting on my statements and the exposure of corruption of those seeking to lead for gain at the expense of the public purse.

    Those who I have exposed are NOT gentlemen they are duplicitous low lifes and have clearly not resorted to law as a defence of ‘Veritas’ suffices in civilisation, despite the contemptible efforts to mislead by the likes of Mick mcGough and those in the UKIP claque.<<

    As a failed grubby second hand bookseller whose assets if any will be in his partner’s name is just not worth sueing.

    G.L-W>> Mick McGough demeans himself with this standard of childish and offensive comment which is so provably wrong, having founded the business and built it over the years never once seeking the assistance of any other party or any kind of public subsidies – Mick McGough was of corse an employed bean counter just another occupation as was mine.

    Rather satisfyingly, for me, was that from 1981 I was able to be self employed, with no boss, employing others and doing something I thoroughly enjoyed and despite health challenges was able to close our business with no debts as owner of the entire stock  which was extensive and support myself and my partner for some 7 years without recourse to benefits or the help of others.

    As for ‘grubby books’ one wonder what Mick McGough knows of books, clearly little if anything. Our most valuable stock item was some £20,000 and never once did we buy or sell any item of pornography as ALL our stock was on public display in 8 rooms and we were dependent on both families and parents for our livelihood.

     

    Mick McGough makes a fool of himself with his ill informed efforts to defame akin to his childish comments about pony tails and his efforts to defame based upon CLICK HERE & HERE<<

    But now he has gone too far by repeating the fantasies of an alien.

    Make sure you have clean nightwear Greg as the knock could come early one morning

    Where else will the knock come?

    Brussels,Bermondsey,Birmingham ? We must wait and see

    G.L-W>> Sadly UKIP leadership clique and its claque can hang their heads in shame as Mick McGough is by no means the only liar, criminal bully and fantasist in their ranks, which probably explains why UKIP in 20 years has been found guilty of fraud on so many occasions, has been proven to be liars, racists and damaging to the cause of Leave-The-EU with their contemptible behaviour.

    Not only was Tom Wise their MEP sent to prison for his theft but Mike Nattrass is well documented as having sought to protect him on the grounds that ALL UKIP MEPs were on the fiddle – as we have subsequently had proved to us with Derek Clark, despite his lies and dishonesty and contemptible efforts to dishonestly defame, had to repay a sizeable amount of money he had obtained fraudulently.

    Other UKIP MEPs who have been proven to fraudulently obtain money and have been forced to repay the money include, Graham Booth, Jeffrey Titford, Nigel Farage meanwhile I understand allegations have been made that are being investigated regarding Gerard Batten as with the investigation of David Bannerman and Stuart Agnew by OLAF which is ongoing.

    UKIP a party of increasingly little relevance, largely due to the incompetence of its leadership, the incredibly low calliber of its MEPs, the staggering ineptitude of its officers and staff and its fractured squabbling nature as they all seem all too willing to parade their differences and stab eachother in the back to jockey for position.

    It would seem that so much money has been stolen and misappropriated by those in positions of supposed trust in UKIP they are clearly not to be trusted, and clearly aren’t trusted by the public, with less than 30 elected seats in British politics out of some 19,500 available, after 20 years!<<

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GERARD BATTEN UKIP & EFD mep- Further Clarification

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/07/2012

GERARD BATTEN UKIP & EFD mep- Further Clarification
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GERARD BATTEN UKIP & EFD MEP – Further Clarification regarding the various blog postings and both Junius & Andrew Edwards and the cowardly sock puppets of UKIP leadership claque!!

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Hi,
with regard to the comments published by Jasna Badzak regarding Gerard Batten as posted by those at Junius CLICK HERE and also, now that they are in the public domain, posted at CLICK HERE & HERE there is a great deal more material and as I have commented I await confirmation and a copy of the Court Judgement which I will be only too happy to publish with such ‘bundles’ as come to hand to clarify the issue as the aim is to seek to ensure we publish the truth in support of UKIP and EUroScepticism rather than protect given corrupt individuals in the UKIP structure who have so damaged the cause of UKIP members and EUroScepticism in general.
You may note that I have made the following ‘Comment’ on The Junius blog:

Hi,

the facts supplied in the blog published were provided by Jasna Badzak an employee of Gerard Batten, who was originally from The Balkans.

I incline to believe the genertal accuracy of the comments though various comments may suffer from her use and understanding of the English language.

It is an established fact that Gerard Batten is racist not withstanding the fact that his wife is Phillipino by origin.

There is no doubt that Gerard Batten is willing to abuse his elected office for personal gain and willing to lie or at very least misrepresent the truth to abuse the law to seek to suppress the truth.

Gerard Batten has a track record of abuse of his position to deny basic justice and collude in persecution of individuals to suit himself.

Clearly Gerard Batten lacks the morality, ethics or intyegrity to hold the position of representing anyone or anything of consequence and is associated with various criminals such as Gregory Lauder Frost in what is considered to be xenophobic and extremist right wing activities by many.

It is based on my direct knowledge and the comments of various others and also the speeches and writings, publications and behaviour of Gerard Batten t5hat are a matter of record in the public domain that I incline to believe the allegations of Jasna Badzak as published and the large body of additional material and cross references that I have seen.

Let us notr forget that it is a matter of public record that Gerard Batten is a member of a largely pro EU membership group which seeks to renegotiate EU membership. A group which is overtly anti Muslim, anti Jewish, anti imigrant and has failed to censure Holocaust Denial and the advocacy of bombing African imigrants in their boats to prevent them landing in EUrope.

It is the failure of Gerard Batten to speak out against the corruption amongst his colleagues that shows his lack of principles that inclin to endorse the allegations of Jasna Badzak.

Obviously I can not personally vouch for the veracity of every detail as claimed and published by Jasna Badzak but it would seem the outline and substance of the claims are correct as published by her.

I believe that it is the duty of any citizen to expose corruption and criminality when they are aware of it, particularly those who bring politics, public service and elected office into disrepute as I believe Gerard Batten and others would seem clearly to have done.

Should ANYONE have additional factual information and provenance of the behaviour of Gerard Batten or others in UKIP no doubt Junius would be only too happy to publish it, together with the documentary proof of the claims in this article above.

I have never noted a single error of fact of a material and deliberate nature in ANY of the postings of those on the Junius blog.

Further, despite many lies and false claims by the low lifes and nere do wells seeking to suppress the truth and gain in self interest in UKIP leadership structure at the expense of Junius and the many allegations made regarding Junius they have beyond reasonable doubt failed totally to show a single error of fact of consequence in any of the Junius postings.

I also know of not a single ‘Comment’ posted to Junius that has been posted legitimately and by an identified individual that has ever been suppressed by the blog owners and editors.

IF you believe I am in error on any of the detail herein please do not hesitate to contact me and I am all too willing to make such correction as is shown and any apology that is apposite – to date in all my 1,000s of postings I am pleased to say no such apology or correction has ever been needed on any material otem – The aim is to try to be as honest and accurate as possible both on my blogs and postings and I believe on those of the postings of Junius blog and its contributors.

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Greg Lance-Watkins
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I also gather that Andrew Edwards having circulated his recent mischievous eMail, on which I commented at CLICK HERE is now bleating because one of the recipients of the eMail forwarded it, as requested by Andrew Edwards, to Junius bloggers and also someone sent a copy to me.
Please note that contrary to the claim of Andrew Edwards I did NOT claim to have received his circular from him – I stated I had received an eMail which had come from him.
I receive many eMails that emanate from Andrew Edwards but rarely publish them and in fact frequently do not read them as they rarely contain new material or views I find reliable.
It would seem he takes objection to those who comment on his circulars and is offended that having asked that his mailing be passed to Junius then complains when Junius use one of his cartoons in their blog.
May I remind Edwards that in putting out circulars one is participating in a conversation and it is then rather silly to complain that others then comment on ones views, clearly stating their opinion over a verifiable, contactable name and address though I would concede there are all too many people too cowardly to put their name to squalid and dishonest ad hominem attacks, as with the various corrupt sock puppets of UKIP’s leadership!
Anonimity when publishing facts or commenting on public servants, those who draw their income by virtue of the state (Including the odious EU supra National State) ie dependent on the public purse for their income, is I believe acceptable but to publish dishonest distortions and lies about individuals whilst sheltering behind anonimity or false identity is beneath contempt.
Obviously clearly stated OPINION sheltered behind such anonimity is of little weight or consequence. IF one is not prepared to put ones name to material abusing anonimity it is no more than a cowardly form of playground bullying by the unethical.
With blogs such as Junius, which are a collective of UKIP supporters and EUroSceptics unhappy with the direction and corruption of UKIP under its present leadership team and in that they confine their comments to those in public office and their goffers anonimity is understandable for as long as they continue to deal in fact – unlike the behaviour of UKIP’s claque.
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