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#0768* – Revisiting Steve ALLISON’s Dishonest Comments

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/03/2012

#0768* – Revisiting Steve ALLISON’s Dishonest Comments
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Revisiting Steve ALLISON’s Dishonest Comments made on Dr. Eric Edmond’s blog!!

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Hi,

to revisit Steve Allison’s dishonest and rather foolish comments dealt with at CLICK HERE The silly little man seems to believe he has the right to lie about me on Dr. Eric Edmond’s blog, which you can read at CLICK HERE 

My comments are made to correct the dishonesty of Steve Allison but that he has lied about me it is probable that he has likewise lied about Junius and other facts – those who lie tend to have a patern of dishonesty in their personality and you will note that NEVER ONCE has anyone shown a single blog or publication that I have posted to be a deliberate lie or deliberate attempt to mislead or dishonestly defame.

Blogger Greg_L-W. said…
Hi,

sadly UKIP has a clear and undeniable track record of fiddling internal elections and thus regardless of Steve Allison’s offensive rejoinder.

May I suggest people study the abuse of the internet by extremist UKIP staff such as the odious and utterly dishonest Mark Croucher also the official censures of UKIP by The Data Protection Commission.

I appreciate there are those who were and are on the payrpll and seeking preferment on the gravy train who have and do lie about UKIP for personal gain.

One need only consider Nigel’s right hand Ms. Annabelle Fuller the foul mouthed liar who helped rig one of UKIP’s elections.

Steve Allison must be describing the deficiency of Farage’s testese or perhaps his own – Clearly his statement is wrong, untrue, unsound and dishonest!

One need only consider the liar and cheat Mick McGough and his criminal offensive spamming and serial dishonesty and corruption to PROVE Steve Allison’s claims to be false.

Just look at the calliber of the self seekers on The NEC and the lack of ethics of those who remain as UKIP MEPs

Pwehaps someone can cite an example, outside of dictatorships & the third world where a 92% vote – the only mittigation being that the ONLY publicity on the imposition of the new dictatorial and centra;ised Constitution was staggeringly dishonest – little wonder that UKIP completely reversed its vote when last this undemocratic concept was put forward.

Clearly 92% return from the claimed membership list is in itself far from plausible let alone that they ALL voted in favour of an EU style centralised dictatorship – Even going so far as to use The EU’s corrupt methods of if you don’t get the result you want represent the question and bully the victims to vote agai.

May I suggest a perusal of Nigel Farage’s various speeches in Ireland condemning the very methods he has chose to use for his own personal gain.

Sadly Steve Allison seems to be easily duped!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

19 March 2012 07:30

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Blogger Steve Allison said…

Hi Eric, well I was going to draw a line under this one but now I’m being attacked by both Junius and GL-W and so far neither have allowed any comments from me to appear on their pathetic little blogs. You do have the decency to allow comments and good on you for that. Junius and GL-W apparently only allow comments that agree with them, which of course is their right, after all they are so twisted and bile filled about UKIP that they are beyond any reasonable argument. Anyway, as someone who claims to only print true and accurate stories and knows what is going on in UKIP Junius and GL-W are well behind the times with his story describing me as a UKIP Staffer. I was never a UKIP Staffer, when I was paid by UKIP it was on a self employed contract basis, never staff, and I haven’t had any paid contract with UKIP for almost two years. So to describe me as a UKIP Staffer is hardly showing a finger on the pulse and knowledge of what is happening in UKIP. Similarly to describe ne as the UKIP Idiot of the month is a bit much since I’m not even a party member any more and haven’t been since last year, which is why having a go at me is “prety accademic” lol If they /he is going to try and sling mud then they should try to keep up to date. If they are two years behind the times as far as what a former member like me is up to then they must be well out of touch with what is going on at the moment.
28 March 2012 09:54

Blogger Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

I had not previously believed that Steve Allison was fundamentally dishonest though I have doubted his abilities and integrity.

Firstly I stand by my EVERY comment relative to him.

Secondly as a UKIP supporter far predating his personal self promotion via UKIP and subsequent departure I fimnd his comments offensive.

Thirdly I have NEVER received a posting from Steve Allison.

Fourthly I moderate postings on my blogs to eradicate cowards unwilling to put their names to abusive, ill informed and foul languaged postings also spam as with the 20,000 offensive spams filtered out by my virus checkers from UKIP NEC member the liar Mick McGough.

Finally it is not appropriate for Steve Allison to shelter on Dr. Edmond’s blog to lie about me.

Allison be man enough to admit the truth YOU HAVE EITHER deliberately lied about me in this posting or at very least set out to abuse this blog by misleading people deliberately.

IF you believe you have a genuine complaint to make them contact me directly using your own name and I will happily publish your posting, as with all others by identifiable individuals.

You have my ‘e’Mail address and phone number openly published on my blogs so you clearly demean yourself by trying dishonestly to defame me on Eric Edmond’s blog.

Sorry you became involved Eric – I shall address Allison’s posting to my blog on my blog if he has the integrity to follow up with a posting to me as clearly your blog is a most inappropriate place for his dishonesty to continue.

Regards,
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29 March 2012 00:51

I NOTE:

Having had my attention drawn to Steve Allison’s dishopnest comments about me and responding – that ‘Junius’ have also responded to his comments about them:
Junius said…

Mr Allison is a liar. We have not published comments by the former UKIPPER because he had never sent us any to publish. His first comment was sent to us yesterday. And we published that!

That Mr Allison can so blatantly lie is, of course, of no surprise to us as he has turned lying on behalf of UKIP into an art form! His pathetic attempts to claim that 92% voted in favour of UKIP becoming a dictatorship is just the latest example of this.

Mr Allison claims that the Junius Team only publish comments that we agree with. More lies! There have been only four instances where we have declined to publish comments. Two were spam comments in Chinese, the other two contained nothing but foul language.

We are well aware that Mr Allison is no-longer officially a member of UKIP. However, he chose to defend UKIP’s leadership regarding the recent vote, plus he admits to watching the count. If you defend corruption then don’t be surprised to get caught in the crossfire!

So why not answer Mr Edmond’s question regarding the vote. Why wasn’t the Electoral Reform Society used to supervise the vote? And were they contacted for a quote?

The Junius Team

29 March 2012
I believe we can expect much bluster and wriggling, threats and abuse from Allison as he continues to desperately defend the indefensible. I also expect the pack of the claque of cowards from EUkip to pile in with their display of dishonesty and misrepresentation both on Eric Edmond’s blog and the various UKIP controlled forums and blogs – their aggresive abuse and serial dishonestly unfortunately does much to damage UKIP and drive away the few remaining decent members who are rapidly being replaced by a particularly unpleasant, dishonest and corrupt claque of cheats and liars masquerading as some sort of political party of low repute.

Their actions speak louder than the examples given on this blog and the blogs of others such as Dr. Eric Edmond, Junius, Dr. Richard North and the like as EUkip scrapes the barrel for attention yet continues to bump along third or fourth in UK Domestic Politics which is largely a two horse race!

Fortunately in view of the odious state EUkip is in it is unlikely they will ever gain a foothold in Domestic politics as the likes of Allison, McGough, Clark, Batten, reeve, Duffy and a host of nebishes too ashamed of their own behaviour to put their name to it have all but destroyed the hopes of the many decent activists who USED to support and campaign for them.

Sadly the notable levels of EUkip are comprised of ner do wells, parasites, liars, cheats and self serving self seekers all demeaning UKIP with their back stabbing and playground bullying – forefend they might ever gain control of ANYTHING bigger than some utterly irrelevant parish council but clearly that is unlikely with so few elected offices and such low caliber unprofessional personnel.

After several days I have checked back and there is clearly no posting to me by Steve Allison, he thus lives down to expectation – clearly unable to defend his dishonest and underhand efforts to defame me and lie about me on UKIP controlled forums such as that of the dishonest and corrupt Anthony Butcher or elsewhere where he believes I have no right of reply or he can make his dishonest self serving comments with relative impunity.
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#0766* – A EUkip Staffer BELIEVES The Leadership would NOT fiddle elections!!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 19/03/2012

#0766* – A EUkip Staffer BELIEVES The Leadership would NOT fiddle elections!!
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A EUkip Staffer BELIEVES The Leadership would NOT fiddle elections!!Ah Bless!!

Next a spokesman for UKIP will claim the Tory staffer the liar & bully Peter Reeve has electoral insight and the Mare of Ramsay is a better ride for being his doxy!

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Thx Steve. I look at comparative statistics. You only get 92% approval votes in dictatorships. I don’t think you can maintain the ERS is too expensive without quoting your evidence.I note your conclusions re UKIP are the same as mine. That is why I describe it as EUKIP to capture its deeply undemocratic control by the Cabal

So where do us Leave-The-EU people go now?

Eric

19 March 2012 02:18

Blogger Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,sadly UKIP has a clear and undeniable track record of fiddling internal elections, and thus regardless of Steve Allison’s offensive rejoinder.

May I suggest people study the abuse of the internet by extremist UKIP staff such as the odious and utterly dishonest Mark Croucher, who passed on details of UKIP members to his criminal chums at the anti democratic Searchlight organisation. Also note the official censures of UKIP by The Data Protection Commission.

I appreciate there are those who were and are on the payroll and seeking preferment on the gravy train who have and do lie about UKIP for personal gain.

One need only consider Nigel’s right hand, Ms. Annabelle Fuller the foul mouthed liar who helped rig one of UKIP’s elections.

Steve Allison must be describing the deficiency of Farage’s testese or perhaps his own – Clearly his statement is wrong, untrue, unsound and dishonest!

One need only consider the liar and cheat Mick McGough and his criminal offensive spamming and serial dishonesty and corruption to PROVE Steve Allison’s claims to be false.

Just look at the caliber of the self seekers on The NEC and the lack of ethics of those who remain as UKIP MEPs.

Perhaps someone can cite an example, outside of dictatorships & the third world, where a 92% vote is  considered plausible – the only mitigation being that the ONLY publicity on the imposition of the new dictatorial and centralised Constitution was staggeringly dishonest – little wonder that UKIP completely reversed its vote when last this undemocratic concept was put forward.

Clearly 92% return from the claimed membership list is in itself far from plausible, let alone that they ALL voted in favour of an EU style centralised dictatorship – Even going so far as to use The EU’s corrupt methods of if you don’t get the result you want represent the question and bully the victims to vote agai.n

May I suggest a perusal of Nigel Farage’s various speeches in Ireland condemning the very methods he has chose to use for his own personal gain.

Sadly Steve Allison seems to be easily duped!

Regards,
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19 March 2012 07:30

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#0695* – Steve ALLISON Seems distanced from UKIP!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/11/2011

#0695* – Steve ALLISON Seems distanced from UKIP!
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Steve ALLISON Seems distanced from UKIP!

A strange situation for an elected NEC member YET AGAIN particularly one appointed as Party Vice Chairman!!

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you may find this information posted on another blog of interest:

I note that Steve Allison has effectively been dumped by UKIP for seemingly having stood up to the corruption within UKIP leadership and he has on numerous occasions stated that his election to UKIP NEC and appointment as an Officer of the party was largely irrelevant and carried no authority.

He would seem to have majorly fallen out with the corrupt leadership of UKIP for having organised a depate and vote on PEPP which the leadership resoundingly lost and unlike previous Officers such as Douglas Denny he was not it seems willing to cheat and rig the election.

I noted on the 13-Nov-2011 moves were afoot in Hartlepool to address the monkey in the pack by seeking to give a voice to local politics and local issues and by acting as a group the Independent Councillors and those of minority parties such as UKIP, BNP, Greens and the like have formed a ‘Cross Party Political Party called:
“Hartlepool Independents – Putting Hartlepool First”

Here is their page regarding Steve Allison:

PARTY OFFICERS

Party Leader; Councillor Geoff Lilley,

***CUT***

Party Treasurer; Councillor Stephen Gibbon,

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Party Secretary ; Mr Stephen Allison, responsible for ensuring that Hartlepool First complies with all legal requirements placed upon it by statute other than those relating to finance which are the responsibility of Party Treasurer. Party Secretary is also the Party Nominating Officer under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000.

The Party Leader, Party Treasurer and Party Secretary constitute the Party Executive Group under the Constitution of Hartlepool Independents – Putting Hartlepool First.

15-Nov-2011 although UKIP have made no official announcement and there is no comment on their web site where in fact they still list Steve Allison as Party Vice Chairman with an elected office lasting until 2013 it has been made clear publicly that he is no longer authorised to communicate with members on the heavily controlled UKIP Forum!

It is worth noting the apparent collapse of UKIP with we gather less than 5,000 votes cast in their recent NEC elections, which would indicate on past form a real membership of around 8,000 with (any) all others being little more than titular!

 
To view this article in its original context and more on Steve Allison see his entry in the right sidebar under:

UKIP Its ASSOCIATES & DETAILS

 which rapidly accesses a great deal more information on UKIP its associates, members and actions past and present.
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#0601* – UN-PROFESSIONAL RESPONSES DEMEAN UKIP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/07/2011

#0601* – UN-PROFESSIONAL RESPONSES DEMEAN UKIP

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~UN-PROFESSIONAL RESPONSES DEMEAN UKIP!
Alan Hardy’s comments serve him ill but he is merely a member!
It does seem when Steve Crowther, Steve Allison or any of the other buffoons speaks out they damage the party credibility!!

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one has to wonder whose ‘e’Mails are the more damaging to the cause they ‘claim’ to espouse.

I would submit that Steve Allisons are the more consequential as they are so clearly anti UKIP’s best interests.

So let us see what they have to say for themselves:

Firstly I would contend that Alan Hardy’s comments were far from wise when he stated:

Subject: UKIP’S APPEAL
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:23:22 +0100
From: alan hardy
To: Gordon Parkin , Jonathan Arnott , lisa duffy , , Malcolm Goyns , Nigel Farage , Stephen Allison
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Dear Sirs,

Courtesy of the Court of Appeal: those within UKIP who feel so inclined CANNOT do as they please, they are bound by the law as are the rest of society. And I may add that UKIP faces further legal action unless the decision not to allow former members of the BNP to stand as candidates for the party, as well as for internal posts, is reversed. Indeed I would like to see written evidence that it even exists.

Take note all of you, especially Mr. Farage.

ALAN HARDY
successful litigant.

Clearly one can empathise with Alan Hardy and just as Nigel Farage must have realised he had exposed UKIP to a hiding for nothing and a bill in the region of £30-50K. That  Farage left hurriedly from The Appeal Courts in The Strand it ill becomes Alan Hardy to crow over so obvious a victory.

Perhaps Farage would have served the party better had he read the original judgement which I have posted in full – see The Right Sidebar & click on Alan Hardy etc.

You will note the judgement draws attention to the fact that The BNP issue was clearly no more than a fig leaf etc.

To seek to uphold the fundamentals of basic law is now branded by some of UKIP’s enemies  as being ‘anti UKIP’.

Surely no one would deny UKIP the right to enact into their Constitution, Rules or Manifesto the resolution to prevent past members of The BNP from joining UKIP, on some grounds or other but clearly not on the grounds of Racism, anti Judaism, anti homosexuality or opposition to immigrants as UKIP’s parners in The EU The EFD are not only pro EU membership but have advocated killing Immigrants from North Africa, are avowedly Racist espousing segregation on public transport etc., anti Homosexual advocating dressing them as rabbits and shooting them and include Holocaust Deniers.

That UKIP welcomes membership of such a group yet seeks to ban ex members of The BNP from joining makes their claimed ruling look a little foolish and more a petty rivalry than a point of principle sadly.

That UKIP has a track record of involvement with The BNP members and before them The National Front is indisputable. It is also worth reminding people of UKIP’s own extremist past with the vetting of members by the criminal Gerry Gable via the equally dishonest Mark Croucher and false accusations of membership and association with The BNP.

That Alan Hardy sent his ‘e’Mail makes it look as if he is fronting efforts at bringing in BNP members which I doubt he would be so foolish as to espouse but we may well find his ‘e’Mail is little more than a venting of his anger at the dishonesty of UKIP as he has, I am given to understand, written confirmation from Nigel Farage that he had informed UKIP of his past membership of The BNP and Farage accepted him as a UKIP member specifically.

I still contend Alan Hardy’s ‘e’Mail was unwise whether he wishes to drift out of UKIP seeing them as a spent force or continue his active membership. He has also undermined his own credibility should he be serious in his bluster about further legal action.

I would contend Alan Hardy has harmed his own position but done little harm to UKIP save in costs, which are a mere bagatelle relative to the £Millions Farage has personally made from his position in UKIP.

Let us see if you think Steve Allison’s comments are any more professional or are they effectively anti UKIP in the manner that they damage the party and its credibility since he speaks as an executive of the party, unlike Alan Hardy who is merely an ex member of The BNP who is in dispute with UKIP over his membership status!

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011
From: steve.allison107@btinternet.com
To: steve.allison107@btinternet.com
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You may have heard that UKIP lost its appeal in court today against the re-admittance to membership of a Mr.Alan Hardy. This is being spun by certain anti-UKIP Blogs and Websites as a defeat for UKIP and touted an example of how Nigel has been wasting UKIP’s money on personal legal vendettas.

I do not think anyone who knows me would accuse me of being a Nigel Sycophant or someone who believes Nigel can do no wrong, However, in this case I am definitely 100% behind Nigel. Alan Hardy is a former member of the BNP and his case is AT THE MOMENT limited to him. However, I believe that he is being used as a Trojan Horse to force UKIP to accept BNP Members into out ranks and worse. I copy below an e-mail that Hardy sent after the Appeal Court Ruling.

UKIP has to fight this man to the bitter end! We have all worked too hard to destroy the myth that UKIP and the BNP are in any way alike, we must keep out the BNP, this is a fight we cannot afford to lose.

Steve Allison

Let us consider this in some detail:

You may have heard that UKIP lost its appeal in court today against the re-admittance to membership of a Mr.Alan Hardy.

The Court’s ruled that Alan Hardy could not be barred from the party on the grounds given in the light of the facts – may I suggest that those who have UKIP’s long term wellbeing at heart and genuinely support UKIP take the trouble to read the judgement and it becomes clear why The Courts not only found in favour of Alan Hardy but that the original judgement was upheld by The Appeal Courts in The Strand.

This is being spun by certain anti-UKIP Blogs and Websites as a defeat for UKIP and touted an example of how Nigel has been wasting UKIP’s money on personal legal vendettas.

How else could any honest individual see this? I can not speak for anti UKIP blogs as i rarely read them  and then only by accident – sadly the blogs UKIP controls do more than enough damage to UKIP!

Clearly no one is likely to take UKIP seriously as a part of the law making process when it is so clearly in abuse of the law itself and something of a vexatious litigant!

Those who actively seek to support UKIP seek to clean-up the party not provide costly cover for its dishonest executive!


I do not think anyone who knows me would accuse me of being a Nigel Sycophant or someone who believes Nigel can do no wrong,

Perhaps you could show where Steve Allison has intentionally spoken out to clean-up UKIP and make it electable other than in his personal interest!

However, in this case I am definitely 100% behind Nigel.

Steve Allison pretends to balance yet promptly defends Nigel Farage’s ineptitude thereby showing a clear lack of judgement on his own part.

Alan Hardy is a former member of the BNP and his case is AT THE MOMENT limited to him.

Indeed it is and also to the irrefutable fact that UKIP leadership was aware of his past BNP affiliations and actively promoted or at least condoned his membership granting him not only membership of UKIP but as I recall a branch membership status!

However, I believe that he is being used as a Trojan Horse to force UKIP to accept BNP Members into out ranks and worse.

Were that the case do not forget it was Nigel Farage who threw open the gates of Troy and on precedent alone made the entry of The Trojan Horse possible to mix our poets it may be apposite to some to see the engineer hoist on his own petard but I as a supporter of UKIP over many years would like Laocoön caution as so aptly did Virgil with his notable line “Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes”

I copy below an e-mail that Hardy sent after the Appeal Court Ruling.

As per the mailing I received previously and have posted above.


UKIP has to fight this man to the bitter end!

A wise General selects his ground and also his time for battle where an inept fool charges in and looses as have UKIP – Indeed the end will be bitter. You may yet find that in making much of this issue UKIP may yet throw open the gates and stand bereft of clothing for a battle – however aware of the ineptitude of Alan Hardy’s message were it I seeking the well being of UKIP I would act with good grace and grant his membership as the Courts have legally shown in HIS CASE there were no legal grounds used in his removal.

Thereby no precedent will be set and the Trojan Horse can stand at the side of the road to the castle until it is shown to be of no use in smuggling the troops of the claimed enemy into the camp.

We have all worked too hard to destroy the myth that UKIP and the BNP are in any way alike, we must keep out the BNP, this is a fight we cannot afford to lose.

This of course is no more than self serving spin and clearly twaddle when you consider UKIP’s fellowship with ex NF members and the use it has made of ex BNP members – that it is clearly twaddle is shown by UKIP’s associates in The EU – merely BNP with funny accents!!

Steve Allison

Were it I seeking to serve UKIP I would not be wasting members’ money nor undermining UKIP’s credibility but as a long term supporter I would be considering the long term and to that end I would call an immediate NEC meeting. I would enact a rule empowering a sub committee of people seen as honest and of probity from within UKIP which would by deffinition preclude members of The NEC and leadership claque and I would empower them to review every member, starting from the top and reserve the right to refund the membership of any member who fulfilled certaimn criteria in terms of past memberships and Criminal Records.

One would have to take care as to how this was worded as it could well preclude individuals like Derek clark, Nigel Farage, Jeffrey Titford, Graham Booth and the like from membership as they have all fallen foul of the law I understand and have had to repay monies they fraudulently obtained or dishonestly used. I understand we are yet to hear the outcome of the case against Stuart Agnew and that against David Bannerman though I gather Mike Nattrass has withdrawn his claim against The Sunday Times and they are to publish an update that subsequent to their earlier article OLAF have decided to take no further action against Mike Nattrass.

In the matter of cleaning up UKIP the party would be well served were it to put before the committee as constituted such individuals as Annabelle Fuller, Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Andrew Smith, Hugh Williams and others who through their fantasies and dishonesty have corrupted UKIP and demeaned its reputation as a credible political force.

I wonder what the anti UKIP bloggers that Steve Allison seems to follow will make of dealing with the truth and on what leg they would seek to stand if UKIP were cleaned-up and presented a credible professional stance with vision, strategy, tactics a plan – training and a structure that would make them presentable to the informed electorate and encourage activists to rejoin with probity and transparency.

Until that time UKIP defames itself daily on its own controlled blogs such that one wonders what an anti UKIP blog would find to write about – though Steve Alison has made a pretty fair fist of showing us by example.

As a supporter I am all too well aware that unless UKIP makes these moves towards professionalising they are increasingly a part of the problem when it comes to leaving The EU and have no place in the solution.

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#0594* – UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC

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#0594* – UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC

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~UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC!

One has to wonder why Steve Allison did not listen to those who knew he would just be used and damage what reputation he had, if he tried to find his way onto The UKIP MEP lists via The NEC!

Clearly he is starting to realise! 

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Hi,

there WILL be additional comments on this posting when I get a chance but to be going on with the liar, fantasist and discreditted fool Douglas Denny has been posturing on UKIP Members’ forum but I can’t be bothered cut and pasting his desperate efforts to seem credible – However he is threatening to post on the other UKIP controlled blog owned by the corrupt and incipid little dweeb Anthony Butcher who is always willing to host any vituperative dishonesty UKIP require posted.

To find out more about the general dishonesty and specific lies of Douglas Denny CLICK HERE

To read Douglas Denny’s comment on UKIP Members’ Forum see the end of this posting!

UKIP: Steve Allison on the NEC

A most interesting report!
Which is published verbatim below and below that is parsed by both Junius and I:

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Hi,

everyone, sorry this digest is a little late but I just couldn’t summon up enthusiasm to type up my notes on the way home on Monday night. I put this down to the pint and a half I had in the Sherlock Homes before getting on the train and I have been very busy with my real life (visiting clients and earning money) since Monday. To be honest nothing of any great importance was discussed at the NEC, which is about par for the course. No papers were distributed in advance of the NEC so once again it was try to listen, read, understand and then make some useful input on the hoof. I personally am just not mentally nimble enough to do this. I am considering sending my apologies to the next NEC when no papers are circulated in advance since that will obviously mean nothing of any importance is on the agenda.

The main NEC was preceded by another Constitution Review Working Party. The draft of the constitution was at least circulated on the Friday so we had an opportunity to scan through it in advance. Unfortunately I didn’t really get the opportunity to do more than scan and so struggled to absorb and understand 18 pages of “notwithstanding” and “aforementioned clauses excepted” and other legal gobbledegook. The review meeting managed to get about half way through the third draft before it ran out of time.

There was some discussion over a clause that defined the NEC as the party’s Board of Directors and, after the Leader, the party’s principal authority. The “after the leader” was vigorously contested by several of the working party and the agreement reached was that the NEC had to have final authority on all admin and financial matters and The leader would participate in these discussions as an equal member of the NEC. The NEC was also keen to maintain final authority over the party manifesto, but accepted in principle that the leader was responsible for the political direction of the party. This actually came up in the main NEC after lunch when the Welsh Assembly Elections were discussed. (More on this later).

The main NEC kicked off with apologies for absence. Michael Zuckerman was not present but it was explained that he considered his term of office expired in March and as he was not seeking re-election, he would not be attending any more NEC Meetings. Rachel Oxley was also absent but as the Chairman announced her resignation from the NEC it was not a surprise she was not at the meeting. The NEC wished both Michael and Rachel the best for the future and expressed their thanks for their service to the party. Rachel’s resignation means that there will be six vacancies on the NEC for election in September, not five as stated in the Independence News. Nominations open for the NEC next week and close in August. The candidates will get an opportunity to speak at the Conference and the vote will be by postal ballot after that.

Minutes of the last meeting went through more or less on the nod. I missed the last meeting so I could not really comment.

Under matters arising, I gave a report on the Pan European Parties debate. The ballot papers have been printed and the fulfilment house is making up the packs this week. Ballots will be despatched to the members starting from Monday 18th July and votes need to be returned by 15th August.

The cost of preparing for the ballot has been £4,685.00 (based on an eligible voting membership of 15,519). The costs of actually receiving back and counting the returned ballots depends totally on the turn out. If we get one vote back then it will have cost £5,385.31 for that member to have his (or her) say. If we get 100% turn out then it will have cost £10,195.81 for the ballot. The actual amount will be somewhere between the two extremes!

Steve Crowther pointed out that the result of the ballot would be binding on all MEPs. Either all would join a P-EP or none would join. Gerard Batten, attending the NEC as one of the MEP Representatives (the other this time was Paul Nuttall) pointed out he would not join a P-EP that did not have a commitment to withdrawal in its articles. Currently there is no P-EP that has such a commitment. It may be that in the event of a “YES” vote in the ballot then UKIP would need to set up its own P-EP in order to have such a commitment enshrined in the P-EP’s constitution.

Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents’ associations and local independents using the “dual candidate” route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals). If for example an organisation called “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say “Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate” or “Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate” It costs £250 to register a political party and I’ve suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an “Independent” or “Residents” Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!

Nigel gave his leaders report. As per usual, nothing had been circulated in advance. Basically, all’s well with the world and things are going great. The Patrons’ Club continues to expand and the dinner that night was oversubscribed.

Chairman’s report covered the London Elections. Ten Candidates have declared for Mayor and an on-line “primary” is to be held. The names were not mentioned but I assume the London Committee are on top of this? Annual Conference in Eastbourne was mentioned. Nothing new really here apart from a suggestion that the EFD Group might use some of their budget to sponsor at least part of the conference. It was also pointed out that each individual MEP could use their allowances to have a stand at the conference show casing the work they do in their region.

A good idea really and one that would legitimately put EU/MEP money into the conference. Interesting to see how many MEPs take up this suggestion?

A new recruitment brochure was flashed in front of the NEC. This has been sent to the Regional Organisers for comment. It was not passed round to the NEC.

Legal matters was its usual depressing report. Least said about it the better

Finance showed we were in the red but not badly so. The cash flow looked worse than it was because all the costs for the conference were known but ticket sales had not yet started so that was making the situation look worse than it really was. The Deputy Treasure explained in his report that this was because the outgoings on the conference were definite items of expenditure we would be making but ticket sales were only a possible income we might be getting. So, prudence said we had to assume we wouldn’t sell any tickets until the money actually started to come in.

Jonathan Arnott has taken over the management of the introduction of the new membership database. He has only been doing this for a couple of weeks so is still getting to grips with the brief. I would have liked some form of written report and hopefully this will eventually be forthcoming. However, I’m not holding my breath!

John Bufton and David Bevan then addressed the NEC. The discussion was a little side tracked by a discussion on whether Wales had a regional organiser and if a dedicated campaign office was essential, (my view on that one is NO it isn’t. UKIP spent £50,000 on a “Campaign Office” for the 2009 European Parliament Elections and any value for money analysis would, in my opinion, have concluded it was not money well spent.).

The Welsh discussion then further meandered off the point into a quite interesting exchange of views on UKIP’s position on an English Parliament. Ultimately, the Welsh Question could not be totally lost and the answer was that policy was indeed changed at the last minute and without reference to the Welsh Committee or indeed to the NEC.

The long-standing policy of abolish the Welsh Assembly was changed to one that, in my opinion, fudged the issue to adopt a more populist line which produced a basically reformist position rather than the clear cut abolish. This was justified on the grounds that a majority of those people who bothered to vote supported more powers for the assembly at the referendum which was held just a few days before the elections. UKIP therefore had no choice but to drop the abolish the assembly policy!

This decision was taken by Nigel. As the UKIP Party Constitution currently stands he was totally within his rights and exercising powers he holds under the constitution. Indeed the Party Leader can adopt, amend or drop any policy he likes without any reference to anyone. He can consult IF he wishes to but is not obliged to take any notice of any advice he may receive. (This was the same reason UKIP supported AV. Nigel decided it was the way to go so that was UKIP’s policy!)

The Welsh Committee may indeed feel they had their legs chopped from under them and may feel that UKIP should be seeking to abolish the assembly rather than just reform it. Being a reform party does bring UKIP into line with every other party in Wales so are they all wrong? However, the bottom line is that UKIP Policy is set by Nigel. He decided a more populist reform policy was preferable to an uncompromising abolitionist policy. That is the prerogative of the UKIP Party Leader and there is nothing UKIP Wales can do about it. Of course, if chasing populist votes is the name of the game then every other party in Wales supports the EU. So maybe UKIP Wales needs to change from withdrawal from the EU to reform the EU?

There was some discussion on the MEPs code of conduct and the nine points it covered. Nothing really new was said. Basically the argument has now become circular and old ground is being re-hashed. The Code of Conduct signed by UKIP’s MEP Candidates is too weak and not enforceable. Stable doors and bolted horses come to mind. The lesson for next time needs to be learned and the document needs to clearly spell out what is expected.

The concept of “friends” groups was also discussed, as there is a request to recognise Hindu Friends of UKIP Group. As we have already recognised a UKIP Friends of Israel group, it makes it almost impossible to object to anyone who wants to attach the UKIP name to their own particular cause. Personally I would not officially recognise any “friends” groups as I consider them divisive and completely against UKIP’s supposed policy of not pandering to special interest groups. As it turn out the UKIP Friends of Israel have nearly a full page in the next issue of Independence News. Another dangerous precedent in my opinion. However, what do I know?

David Coburn made a brief presentation on why we should hold the 2012 spring conference in Gibraltar but as Steve Crowther informed the NEC that it was going to be in Skegness this made the whole discussion a bit pointless.

We were now running out of time. Nigel had already left to get ready for the Patrons’ Club pre-dinner drinks at 6.00pm and of course the important people on the NEC also needed to be getting over there promptly.

As usual, there was a lot of talk but very few or more accurately no real meaningful decisions taken. There is no NEC Meeting in August but I’m sure the Party will somehow manage to survive without our guiding hand. After all, if you look on page 18 of your Independence News you will see a comprehensive listing of “Who’s Who in UKIP” and the NEC is conspicuous by its absence!

As usual there were many things said that I have not covered but these are my high point recollections. There will be an official report by the Party Chairman posted on the Members forum in due course.

& Here it is parsed with comments:

Hi,

everyone, sorry this digest is a little late but I just couldn’t summon up enthusiasm to type up my notes on the way home on Monday night. I put this down to the pint and a half I had in the Sherlock Homes before getting on the train and I have been very busy with my real life (visiting clients and earning money) since Monday.

To be honest nothing of any great importance was discussed at the NEC, which is about par for the course.

G.L-W.:  I have been reporting in some detail on NEC meetings for many years and I agree this judgement – In fact so do UKIP leadership who have often told their members not to read my various blogs and ‘e’Mails as they are bunkum – well then clearly as they have NEVER managed to show a single dishonesty or inaccuracy one is forced to conclude the facts I provide which ARE without exception true show UKIP NEC just spout ‘bunkum’. 


As Steve makes clear – ‘It was ever thus’.

No papers were distributed in advance of the NEC

G.L-W.: Obviously as that would require planning and also members are aware so I presume Steve is ‘no one on the NEC or in UKIP’s leadership and its parasites trust eachother’. 

so once again it was try to listen, read, understand and then make some useful input on the hoof.

G.L-W.: Why when no one cares nor listens and Farage and his little claque make all the decisions anyway. 

I personally am just not mentally nimble enough to do this. I am considering sending my apologies to the next NEC when no papers are circulated in advance since that will obviously mean nothing of any importance is on the agenda.

G.L-W.: Had you thought of actimng with integrity Steve and rsigning? That would at least not lend credibility to the corrupt scam; just as did Tony Scholfield, Nikki Sinclaire, Del Young, John Whittacker, Dr. Eric Edmonds, Richard Suchorzewski, Dr. David Abbott, Petrina Holdsworth, Linda Guest, Gill Chant, Roger Knapman, John de Rourke, Anthony Butcher, John Pratt, Gregg Beaman, Simon Muir, Peter Watson – all of whom and more are no longer willing to have their reputation befouled by association with elected office in UKIP. 

For a fuller list CLICK HERE


The main NEC was preceded by another Constitution Review Working Party. The draft of the constitution was at least circulated on the Friday so we had an opportunity to scan through it in advance. Unfortunately I didn’t really get the opportunity to do more than scan and so struggled to absorb and understand 18 pages of “notwithstanding” and “aforementioned clauses excepted” and other legal gobbledegook.

G.L-W.: Clearly as crass and amateur as previous constitutions. No doubt a back door way of introducing the scams that were rejected by the members when last UKIP leadership and his parasites tried to dupe the members!

The review meeting managed to get about half way through the third draft before it ran out of time.

G.L-W.: So like previous constitutions it will be amateur and shoddy leaving UKIP facing the Courts yet more with a collection of unwinnable cases based on an as usual incompetent constitution – How many £100,000s will it cost in stupidity this time?


There was some discussion over a clause that defined the NEC as the party’s Board of Directors and, after the Leader, the party’s principal authority. The “after the leader” was vigorously contested by several of the working party and the agreement reached was that the NEC had to have final authority on all admin and financial matters and The leader would participate in these discussions as an equal member of the NEC.

G.L-W.: So the yes men will be lined up to bootlick as ever. That is how come the NEC is composed of mainly dross now – Just who amongst them would YOU put on the board of YOUR Company? Many have convictions as far as I can see and have been found to have defrauded the public purse and been ordered to repay money fraudullently obtained – Who on earth would trust these liars and pond life?

The NEC was also keen to maintain final authority over the party manifesto, but accepted in principle that the leader was responsible for the political direction of the party.

G.L-W.: UKIP NEC has no say as has been shown time and time again with the lies, distortions and fabrications of Farage on TV as an example – it seems he is only outshone as a liar by Annabelle Fuller and Mick McGough!

This actually came up in the main NEC after lunch when the Welsh Assembly Elections were discussed. (More on this later).

G.L-W.: Just as an aside to show the utter unprofessionalism of UKIP – The Devolved EU Assemblyfor Wales is risibly known as The Welsh Assembly Government or The National Assembly for Wales. For details of The Welsh Assembly CLICK HERE


The main NEC kicked off with apologies for absence. Michael Zuckerman was not present but it was explained that he considered his term of office expired in March and as he was not seeking re-election, he would not be attending any more NEC Meetings.

G.L-W.: This is normally called a resignation but he is right he Burton, Denny & Coburn all expired as members of The NEC in March though they may well have been officially extended as Yes Men for lack of a new crop. 

Rachel Oxley was also absent but as the Chairman announced her resignation from the NEC it was not a surprise she was not at the meeting.

G.L-W.: Oxley’s resignation letter was published on this blog some time ago CLICK HERE

The NEC wished both Michael and Rachel the best for the future and expressed their thanks for their service to the party. Rachel’s resignation means that there will be six vacancies on the NEC for election in September, not five as stated in the Independence News. Nominations open for the NEC next week and close in August. The candidates will get an opportunity to speak at the Conference and the vote will be by postal ballot after that.

G.L-W.: Astonishingly for a group pretending to political aspirations there are barely enough legitimate elected NEC members to form a Quorum – thus yet again the Claque of co-optees and MEPs become Farage’s new dictatorship. 

Such incompetence is hardly inspirationsl when one considers the catastrophic results from the last National Election and the farcical posturing of the Mare of Ramsey and the Party afterwards having achieved nothing of note after 18 years at a cost of £Millions!


Minutes of the last meeting went through more or less on the nod. I missed the last meeting so I could not really comment.

Under matters arising, I gave a report on the Pan European Parties debate. The ballot papers have been printed and the fulfilment house is making up the packs this week. Ballots will be despatched to the members starting from Monday 18th July and votes need to be returned by 15th August.

The cost of preparing for the ballot has been £4,685.00 (based on an eligible voting membership of 15,519). The costs of actually receiving back and counting the returned ballots depends totally on the turn out. If we get one vote back then it will have cost £5,385.31 for that member to have his (or her) say. If we get 100% turn out then it will have cost £10,195.81 for the ballot. The actual amount will be somewhere between the two extremes!

Junius says: No wonder UKIP is in the red!

G.L-W.: What a dishonest debacle this most undeniably has been – a study in bad and incompetent leadership that has done yet more to split the party with liars and cheats like Stuart Agnew MEP, Mick McGough and the like fronting the scam for a PEPP backed up by the oleaginous Michael Greaves who would seem to be just another Tory failure of no merit but much p**s and wind – like so many before him in UKIP!


Steve Crowther pointed out that the result of the ballot would be binding on all MEPs. Either all would join a P-EP or none would join.

G.L-W.: Immediately and in a spirit of professionalism Gerard Batten pointed out that Steve Crowther didn’t have a clue what he was talking about as usual – perhaps Crowther would serve himself well were he to read up on the rules of The EU – however many such pretend agreements are put in place they haven’t a shred of authority as they are ultra virese. The EU states that elected MEPs can NOT be bound to a policy or to vote a certain way by a whip or a party.

UKIP’s unprofessionalism just makes them look endlessly stupid! 

Gerard Batten, attending the NEC as one of the MEP Representatives (the other this time was Paul Nuttall) pointed out he would not join a P-EP that did not have a commitment to withdrawal in its articles.

Junius says: And there was us thinking that Gerard would never join a PEP under ANY circumstances!

G.L-W.: Thus clearly whatever UKIP members vote at a cost of upto £10K+ UKIP MEPs will do what Nigel Farage tells them and please don’t expect either Gerard Batten or John Buffton to develope a backbone and stand on their own feet as it might harm their chances of re-election and representing these United Kingdoms or their constituents has absolutely no significance to them as they have made very clear.

Currently there is no P-EP that has such a commitment. It may be that in the event of a “YES” vote in the ballot then UKIP would need to set up its own P-EP in order to have such a commitment enshrined in the P-EP’s constitution.

G.L-W.: UKIP has shown no signs of setting up a leadership nor even a structure so do try to talk some sense Steve!


Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents’ associations and local independents using the “dual candidate” route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals).

If for example an organisation called “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say “Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate” or “Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate” It costs £250 to register a political party and I’ve suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an “Independent” or “Residents” Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!

G.L-W.: So Denny, UKIP NEC and others will be only too happy to exploit any EU Law for personal gain and as stated seek votes from people who would not wish to vote for UKIP by subterfuge!!

How proud UKIP must be that having been an unmittigated disaster in Domestic votes for 18 years with less than 30 elected individuals out of some 19,500 available elected offices they now stoop to forming other parties to dupe the public.

We note during an EU Election UKIP set out to defeat a rival by stealing their name – yet more dishonest are the two UKIP members Andrew Smith and Mick McGough who despite their position in UKIP where one of the slimes is on The NEC they are in total breech of UKIP’s own rules and have jointly registered a UKIP spoiler party!


Nigel gave his leaders report. As per usual, nothing had been circulated in advance. Basically, all’s well with the world and things are going great.

 Junius says: Ouch!
G.L-W.: Junius seems to overlook the intelligence and political nouse of the audience to whom he was delivering the report so any old schpiel from UKIP’s sales rep would do! 

The Patrons’ Club continues to expand and the dinner that night was oversubscribed.

G.L-W.: Not very convincing!


Chairman’s report covered the London Elections. Ten Candidates have declared for Mayor and an on-line “primary” is to be held. The names were not mentioned but I assume the London Committee are on top of this? Annual Conference in Eastbourne was mentioned. Nothing new really here apart from a suggestion that the EFD Group might use some of their budget to sponsor at least part of the conference. It was also pointed out that each individual MEP could use their allowances to have a stand at the conference show casing the work they do in their region.

G.L-W.: Are we to assume Gerard Batten will not attend as The EFD is not a withdrawalist group it is pro EU Membership, pro reform (undefined), Racist, anti Homosexual, anti Jewish and has openly advocated killing immigrants from North Africa without a murmur of censure form other members!

How proud UKIP must be to have such associates in the gutter they have chosen to frequent!


A good idea really and one that would legitimately put EU/MEP money into the conference. Interesting to see how many MEPs take up this suggestion?

G.L-W.: Rather more significant would be to see an MEP make ANY donation to the party other than to get themselves re-elected so as to buy a larger pension for themselves.


A new recruitment brochure was flashed in front of the NEC. This has been sent to the Regional Organisers for comment. It was not passed round to the NEC.

G.L-W.: Clearly the NEC may think they are important but The MEPs and leadership claque do not!


Legal matters was its usual depressing report. Least said about it the better

Junius says: UKIP face ANOTHER day in court this week. Their costs could be in excess of £30,000. More on this later.

G.L-W.: UKIP have a startling record and list of guilty verdicts over the years – have they one where they were NOT found guilty?


Finance showed we were in the red but not badly so. The cash flow looked worse than it was because all the costs for the conference were known but ticket sales had not yet started so that was making the situation look worse than it really was. The Deputy Treasure explained in his report that this was because the outgoings on the conference were definite items of expenditure we would be making but ticket sales were only a possible income we might be getting. So, prudence said we had to assume we wouldn’t sell any tickets until the money actually started to come in.

G.L-W.: The treasurer being Stuart Wheeler who has already stated he is not interested in the dishonesty of the accounts and his deputy Hugh Williams having a proven track record of dishonesty and cheating members I guess this report is about as trustworthy as they used to be when that liar and charlatan Andrew Smith pretended to keep the books!


Jonathan Arnott has taken over the management of the introduction of the new membership database. He has only been doing this for a couple of weeks so is still getting to grips with the brief. I would have liked some form of written report and hopefully this will eventually be forthcoming. However, I’m not holding my breath!

Junius says: Don’t hold your breath. Jonathon ‘frightened rabbit’ Arnott is about as much use as a chocolate fireplace. If he had just one brain cell, he’d be dangerous.

G.L-W.: Perhaps Junius is a little harsh on the lad as he did get a degree in sums and even taught maths in a little private school for a while. I understand he obtained a Masters qualification in the consumption of pies – as skill in whichh I gather his fellow members in Sheffield excel

John Bufton and David Bevan then addressed the NEC. The discussion was a little side tracked by a discussion on whether Wales had a regional organiser and if a dedicated campaign office was essential, (my view on that one is NO it isn’t. UKIP spent £50,000 on a “Campaign Office” for the 2009 European Parliament Elections and any value for money analysis would, in my opinion, have concluded it was not money well spent.).

The Welsh discussion then further meandered off the point into a quite interesting exchange of views on UKIP’s position on an English Parliament. Ultimately, the Welsh Question could not be totally lost and the answer was that policy was indeed changed at the last minute and without reference to the Welsh Committee or indeed to the NEC.

The long-standing policy of abolish the Welsh Assembly was changed to one that, in my opinion, fudged the issue to adopt a more populist line which produced a basically reformist position rather than the clear cut abolish. This was justified on the grounds that a majority of those people who bothered to vote supported more powers for the assembly at the referendum which was held just a few days before the elections. UKIP therefore had no choice but to drop the abolish the assembly policy!

Junius says: More twisted Farage logic. So as the Welsh voted for more devolution in the March referendum it would be undemocratic for UKIP to abolish the assembly? So what about the 1975 referendum? British people voted to stay in the EEC. Shouldn’t UKIP then support continued EU membership using the result of that referendum as the basis for their argument?

G.L-W.: UKIP is little more than a rather bad joke in Wales – this is not the first catastrophic intervention by Farage as many will remember the stumble bum drunk in the frock he introduced at the last minute in a previous election:

Previous to that he foist the self serving and untrustworthy Jim Carver on UKIP Wales to sell his umbrellas and latterly with the duplicitous David Lott to seek to corrupt an election based upon lies and corruption.


This decision was taken by Nigel. As the UKIP Party Constitution currently stands he was totally within his rights and exercising powers he holds under the constitution. Indeed the Party Leader can adopt, amend or drop any policy he likes without any reference to anyone. He can consult IF he wishes to but is not obliged to take any notice of any advice he may receive. (This was the same reason UKIP supported AV. Nigel decided it was the way to go so that was UKIP’s policy!)

G.L-W.: So UKIP may wish to be democratically elected and resent the lack of democracy in the EU but do not even accept the first principles of democracy within their own organisation and for all the fuss show there is absolutely no point in having a Constitution as being a dictatorship every item can be set aside by Farage with out consultation and hinderance!

This was noted by one long term supporter of UKIP and sent to me witjh the lament that ‘IF you exchanged Farage for Chavez it was sadly almost exactly accurate of UKIP:

…thus exposing a major weakness of Chavez’s government which is that the leader has no heir. That is partly by design, of course. Chavez has put loyalty to himself before loyalty to the state, squashed any rival to his power (even top lieutenants keep low profiles) and surrounded himself with talentless cronies. Approval ratings of leading members of his party languish in the low 30s. Thus Chavism as a political movement has a limited future.

Sadly how very true!


The Welsh Committee may indeed feel they had their legs chopped from under them and may feel that UKIP should be seeking to abolish the assembly rather than just reform it. Being a reform party does bring UKIP into line with every other party in Wales so are they all wrong?

However, the bottom line is that UKIP Policy is set by Nigel. He decided a more populist reform policy was preferable to an uncompromising abolitionist policy. That is the prerogative of the UKIP Party Leader and there is nothing UKIP Wales can do about it.

G.L-W.: So the membership and the donors can go and get stuffed as long as they keep Farage in the manner he has come to expect at the expense of UKIP and in betrayal of these United Kingdoms – where as shown in this example alone he clearly states his disinterest in principles and integrity, leadership or morality, ethics or democracy – ANY expediency will do to get hiself elected!

Of course, if chasing populist votes is the name of the game then every other party in Wales supports the EU. So maybe UKIP Wales needs to change from withdrawal from the EU to reform the EU?

Junius says: Confirmation that UKIP is a dictatorship under one man.

G.L-W.:But UKIP does support The EU and is even campaigning to help undermine Patriotic domestic politics – hardly surprising in view of their risible results in domestic elections – their only hope is in doing well for themselves in The EU, whatever principles they may prostitute to do so!


There was some discussion on the MEPs code of conduct and the nine points it covered. Nothing really new was said. Basically the argument has now become circular and old ground is being re-hashed. The Code of Conduct signed by UKIP’s MEP Candidates is too weak and not enforceable. Stable doors and bolted horses come to mind. The lesson for next time needs to be learned and the document needs to clearly spell out what is expected.

G.L-W.:  As already stated this is utter cobblers!


The concept of “friends” groups was also discussed, as there is a request to recognise Hindu Friends of UKIP Group. As we have already recognised a UKIP Friends of Israel group, it makes it almost impossible to object to anyone who wants to attach the UKIP name to their own particular cause.

G.L-W.:  Especially as Friends of Israel are utterly corrupt and based upon unsound ethics being in fact Friends of Zionism one of the great evils on this planet with which no political party should EVER be associated. How does UKIP justify the massacres by the Zionist Terrorists of the IDF?

How does UKIP justify the fascist style slaughter of Palestinians in their own homes? 


How does UKIP justify the creation of a ghetto surrounded by concrete walls and razor wire and attacked by helicopter gunships and turned to rubble with tanks by zionist filth?


Hated by The Jewish peoples world wide:

Personally I would not officially recognise any “friends” groups as I consider them divisive and completely against UKIP’s supposed policy of not pandering to special interest groups. As it turn out the UKIP Friends of Israel have nearly a full page in the next issue of Independence News. Another dangerous precedent in my opinion. However, what do I know?

G.L-W.:  I totally agree with Steve on this point – That UKIP are friends with such vile people and with the revolting racists, anti homosexual and anti Jewish supporters of membership of The EU speaks volumes of the ethics of UKIP in a manner no amount of denial will expunge!


David Coburn made a brief presentation on why we should hold the 2012 spring conference in Gibraltar but as Steve Crowther informed the NEC that it was going to be in Skegness this made the whole discussion a bit pointless.

G.L-W.: What keeps David Coburn’s ears apart as clearly it isn’t common sense – nor is it likely this would be approved as the party dictator and Steve’s resume shows Farage is Dictator of UKIP, he would not be able to attend. Perhaps this clown Coburn should learn a little of the party and try to understand the EU before making a fool of himself.

Unsurprisingly Farage has left when Coburn was wasting everyone’s time!


We were now running out of time. Nigel had already left to get ready for the Patrons’ Club pre-dinner drinks at 6.00pm and of course the important people on the NEC also needed to be getting over there promptly.

G.L-W.: Steve has made it abundantly clear there is no one of importance on the NEC, those of any merit are long gone and even the lees of the leadership claque are no more than a joke in bad taste!


As usual, there was a lot of talk but very few or more accurately no real meaningful decisions taken. There is no NEC Meeting in August but I’m sure the Party will somehow manage to survive without our guiding hand. After all, if you look on page 18 of your Independence News you will see a comprehensive listing of “Who’s Who in UKIP” and the NEC is conspicuous by its absence!

Junius says: Why are you so surprised? Fuhrer Farage makes all the decisions! We did warn you!  

G.L-W.: Perhaps Steve would care to go back through the records of UKIP and establish when if ever The NEC had ANY relevance, any respect or any meaningful input. UKIP NEC are the posturing castrati of the UKIP choir singing for their master and droppings from his trough!                     


As usual there were many things said that I have not covered but these are my high point recollections. There will be an official report by the Party Chairman posted on the Members forum in due course.

Junius says: Why are you so surprised? Fuhrer Farage makes all the decisions! We did warn you!

G.L-W.:Hardly worth the effort with a mere handfull of members posting there and only to be noticed as they seek praise and position on the members’ heavily censored Forum.

It is hardly worth reading, in fact I rarely do these days as it is so boring and not a political brain cell in sight!

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As increasingly UKIP leaders and their parasites fall out and squabble like ferrests in a sack to keep their positions and access to self importance and their snouts in the troughs – you will note the calliber of the NEC has all but collapsed.

Even the dross is drifting off disgruntled with Rachel Oxley who was as much use as a soup sandwich, seemingly unwilling to carry on as just as she had no past achievements she realised there were none likely in the future.

Michael Zukerman has also drifted away no doubt in the realisation that he could not expect to make more money out of UKIP – you will note virtually every case UKIP has entered since he as a Solicitor joined has led to a Guilty verdict against UKIP. Such a track record can not have helped the record of Bent & Manure!

We still see the liar Derek Clark posing & posdturing, when he can hear what is going on, I wonder when he will have the integrity to admit he is a liar and appologise for his basic dishonesty – he may even care to tell members just howmuch he was ordered to repay to The EU when found guilty of stealing public money by OLAF – a difficult item to report on as he is still waiting for details of the action his local constabulary will be taking against him

We note that having read the OLAF Report available under FoI that removed any pretence of inaccuracy in the Sunday Times article that he may have tried to promote Mike Nattrass has decided to withdraw his threats of prosecution against The Sunday Times.

As I recal The Sunday Times offered to publish the updated info but Nattrass didn’t want that he demanded an apology and was claiming they had prevented him from being UKIP leader (some will remember when the summer holidays ended Mike decided to have an extended holiday in The Phillipines and wasn’t even around until the later part of the leadership election.

Dellusionaly that did not stop him claiming ‘it was The ST wot dun it‘ or he would have won so he demanded a full apology.

Well he did til he realised just how close he had come to being found guilty and like Graham Booth being forced to repay money as also with Farage, West, Titford and Clark.

The threats and bluster have collapsed like a pricked balloon and I expect Nattrass will hope for the update to get the egg off his face.

One has to wonder if Stuart Agnew and David Bannerman will get off as lightly, in view of their confessions and fraud..
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Quote Originally Posted by “Douglas Denny
I agree with the Wales committee.

I do not see any reason why UKIP should follow populist “fashions” in politics just because other parties take a populist stance about regional devolution and regional assemblies. Just because they follow the populist argument that that is what the public seem to want does NOT necessarily make it right for the country in the context of British independence or long-term stability. It does not do these things; it is pure short-term, short-sighted politics.

The public have not been properly informed for forty years what the EU is all about, nor do they know much about the real issues involved in regional government or Regional Assemblies as they have been (deliberately) kept largely in the dark about it. They know so little about the EU itself – why do people seem to think they know much about the implications of Regional government and Assemblies?

The public are wrong to accept regional assemblies and devolved government because it breaks up the existing system of local government and promotes the EU’s ideology of regional government. On that basis UKIP should oppose it – and UKIP would be RIGHT in doing so.

In fact regional devolution goes against the primary rationale of UKIP in my opinion – to oppose all EU inspired constructs which interfere with the existing political structure of Great Britain, and especially if such interference assists in the breakup of the United Kingdom. UKIP should be conserving the constitution of the UK, not helping to break it up.

The implied opposition to the EU, and support for a United Kingdom is incorporated into our very name: The United Kingdom Independence Party.
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It is now Nigel Farage’s policy – and therefore UKIP’s because the Leader has ultimate authority to make or change policy without reference to anyone – to accept a “Federal United Kingdom”. … a system of separate federal governmental ‘states’ within Britain. (All coming under the overall jurisdiction of the EU of course !)

I publicly state now I profoundly disagree with this stance.

I have to go along with it if the Leader says that is what it is because I have no choice – but I still disagree with it.

This case is an excellent example of where UKIP, after the Roger Knapman inspired change in UKP’s constitution, (to have only the Leader determining policy without reference to the NEC or anyone else) is now in a profoundly precarious situation with a particular policy, having one person only determining that policy – and that person can do so and change it on the hoof. It should be perfectly obvious it is highly dangerous, and this is an example of it.
It is a recipe for division within the party – as well as being as a policy – de facto – divisive for the country. The pan-European parties issue is another example of potentially highly divisive policy within the party, but at least in this case the membership get to make the final decision.

Having as official policy the support of devolved regional governments is a highly dangerous and worrying course for UKIP to take in my opinon.

Regional government and assemblies is a direct EU construct.
A “Federal Britain” of regional governments is an excellent way of encouraging squabbling between them. They then become ripe for takeover if they wish to devolve further by direct control from Brussels in the future. Divide and rule (i.e. and therefore conquer) is as true and effective a strategy now as it always has been in history.

Supporting devolution and regional assemblies as official policy does not enhance our profile in the country as the known and respected opposition party to the EU.
As a policy it will not win votes.
It assists the EU in its agenda.
It goes directly against UKIP’s principles in my opinon.
For the population size of this country we do not need devolved regional governments for good, effective, efficient government.

We have had a perfectly good system of democratically elected representatives meeting in a single parliament, and a regional system of local government as county and District councils. It worked perfectly well for hundreds of years – it could do so again – but only if, and when, we can get rid of the dead hand of the EU around the throat of the Westminster parliament which is presently throttling it.

Like everything the EU does: devolved government and regional assemblies are a chimera, a lie, a sop to the worst instincts of the public to pretend they have better democracy, and it bamboozles them into thinking they get better government whereas in reality they DO NOT.
The public fall for it every time as they are just stupid.

The EU is still making those 80% of all rules, regulations, laws and directives just the same – and there is nothing the regional devolved “governments” can do about it. “Devolved government” and Mickey-Mouse Regional Assemblies are just a sham of democracy. UKIP should – and rightly so – oppose them.

Douglas Denny.

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#0560* – Mick McGOUGH’s Dishonesty Called To Account by UKIP!

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#0560* – Mick McGOUGH’s Dishonesty Called To Account by UKIP!

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Hi,
it seems like I am not the only one who distrusts the integrity, ethics and morality of Mick McGough and his crooked mate Stuart Agnew!
As the returning officer for the internal consultation process I can confirm I have received a complaint about this video. I have therefore sent the following e-mail

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Stuart,

I have received a complaint regarding the video

). Specifically the complaint refers to the claim by Mick McGough that he “has in his hand a cheque for £300,000 payable to UKIP”

The No campaign claim the money CANNOT be paid to UKIP.

Can you please confirm that the claim that the money can be paid from a PEP direct to UKIP is accurate.

If you cannot confirm this is a factually accurate statement then I must ask for the video to be withdrawn until a suitable correction of fact can be made.

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#0535* – The Truth Makes A Fool of Douglas DENNY!

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#0535* – The Truth Makes A Fool of Douglas DENNY!
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 The Truth Makes A Fool of Douglas DENNY!
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« Reply #240 on: June 05, 2011, 10:55:46 PM »

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Journalist to newly elected MEP;
“UKIP want the UK to leave the EU, so why are you taking up seats in the European Parliament, an institution you oppose.”

Newly elected MEP to Journalist;
“Simple. We are going there to wreck it!”

Douglas Denny’s response show that about 10 years too late the foolish little chap (UKIP NEC Sycophant & serial liar) is showing signs of waking up. I wonder if he will have the integrity to apologise for all his lies, fabrications of fantasies, gullibility and outright dishonesty. 

 

Personally I see no signs that he is either man enough or honourable – so I think not!

If only they could do some wrecking. But they cannot.

We have had MEPs for many years – tell me – how much actual wrecking have they achieved by being in the EU system in all this time?

All they are doing is engaging in the ‘approved’ and ‘official’ system. They are a part of it – absorbed and responding as required. With no real powers to do anything. They are political eunuchs.

They have become like cyborgs in the ‘Startreck’ movies:
Journalist to new mep in reply:-   “Resistance is futil..you will be absobed into the Collective”.

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#0488* – UKIP & The MARE TAKE RAMSEY FOR A RIDE

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#0488* – UKIP & The MARE TAKE RAMSEY FOR A RIDE
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my thanks to the team at Junius for this blog and you will note it supplements the details at CLICK HERE

& the comments of UKIP staffer now NEC appointee Steve Allison:

The politicisation of any previously non-political group is actually a very bad thing in my opinion. Would you say it was a good thing that Remembrance Sunday is becoming more and more political? How long before it’s just another campaign activity that we all tick off on our campaign plans? I have never and will never lay a UKIP Wreath at a remembrance parade. I don’t want politics in that day. Look at the outcry when Tony Blair tried to use Royal occasions for party politics.

Try reading the Triumph of the political class by Peter Obourne. Brilliant Book. We should be fighting for less politics in things not more.

I do congratulate Lisa and her team on their result but I am still slightly saddened that politics has gained another foothold. In my opinion party politics shouldn’t be a part of local government at any level.

& the additional facts provided at the end of Junius’ Article!

UKIP: Disgust in Ramsey as Reeve and Duffy politicize parish council

UKIP spin doctors have made much of the fact that the party recently ‘gained control’ of it’s first council in Ramsey, Cambs.

Forget the spin. Here are the facts.

Ramsey Town Council has the same powers as a parish council. Nothing more, nothing less. To present this a massive victory for UKIP is absurd!

Candidates were always non-political. But then along came Reeve and Duffy.

We can confirm via our contacts in Ramsey that recent events have left a very sour taste in the town with allegations of ‘dirty tricks’ on the part of Reeve and his munchkins.

For instance:

During the campaign, Reeve posted numerous election posters across the town WITHOUT getting permission from the local authorities. Complaints were made to the returning officer and they were removed. However, within a few days they had mysteriously reappeared. Reeve, of course, claimed to know nothing about this.

Reeve also distributed election literature which failed to comply with electoral law. For instance, official UKIP leaflets and letters failed to mention who had promoted or printed the literature.

They are allegations that UKIP’s election expenditure far exceeded the amount allowed by law.

The Lib Dems did not contest the election and the Tories failed to distribute election literature or conduct even a basic campaign. UKIP was given a easy ride.

Three of UKIP’s candidates don’t even live in Ramsey.

Reeve – at the very first council meeting – had the UKIP councillors appoint Lisa Duffy – his girlfriend – mayor. He also instructed them to appoint Ian Curtis – his friend – deputy mayor.

He then told the non-UKIP councillors – he used the words ‘you lot’ – to sit on the other side of the table facing ‘his councillors’ did not wish to sit alongside them. This arrogant, combative stance has angered many in the town.

Reeve is also claiming credit for planning a Micro Business Centre in the town, In fact, this idea was first put forward by the ‘Ramsey Intiative‘. See: LINK

Reeve and Duffy are VERY ambitious people. They ultimate goal is sit alongside Farage in Brussels. Reeve also thinks that one day he will become UKIP’s first elected MP. He has even promised to marry Duffy in Westminster once elected as a Cambridgshire MP!

They are using the people of Ramsey for their own sordid ends. Greed is the sole thing that motivates this dishonest pair!

Delusions of grandeur has always formed a large part of the psyche of this unsavoury duo! Let’s just hope that the Town’s officials are good at damage limitation!

We have been amused by the amount of UKIP supporters on Twitter, Facebook and the blogs who seem to think that winning a majority (in crude fashion) on a non-political council is a cause for celebration.

And don’t forget that Reeve is still under investigation by OLAF for alleged fraud! The OLAF case number is OF/2010/0282. See: LINK

Here is the video where Stuart Agnew – UKIP MEP
admits illegally paying Reeve!

And for more on Duffy: LINK

I understand that there are even allegations floating around Ramsey that claim that Peter Reeve even used cash – presumably stolen by Stuart Agnew from the tax payers in the style of the fraud he has admitted to – hearsay claims that the cash was used to bribe support of a Tory member or their switch to UKIP which would not surprise me as UKIP leadership team have shown themselves time andf again to have nothing but contempt for Electoral Law, the Electoral Commission and any sense of moral, ethical or financial probity.

I can well imagine the likes of Peter Reeve as a staffer of UKIP would be all too willing to buy votes in one way or another – I believe him to be that dishonest and corrupt but in this particular narrow example I have absolutely no clear evidence beyond the gossip from Ramsey and the belief that the amount of posters and leaflets seemed disproportionate to the norm within accepted electoral practice.

I had also understood that it was a requirement of electoral law on what are in political circles nick named ‘Dog Dirt Council’ namely irrelevancies like the Parish Council of Ramsey albeit flattered by its grandiose  styling as ‘Town Council’ that it was the custom – even perhaps the law that Councillors at very least lived or had businesses within the Council bounds in fact is it not within the specific ward?

Do read CLICK HERE there is a host more detail and it is sad to see a little village like Ramsey so exploited and demeaned:

The people of Ramsey may be better served were there less childish inclination to seize the chain and by CLICK HERE & HERE

Rather than see Ramsey demeaned but to me far more importantly rather than see UKIP demeaned by this unseemly spectacle of bragaddocio over a tiny local council as if it were some great achievement it is so sad to think that after 18 years this can be considered worthy of such promotion by UKIP when as this is clearly their greatest achievement together with beating The Greens – let us face it their results were an embarrassing abject failure.

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#0480* – UKIP’s NEW MARE RIDES IN!

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#0480* – UKIP’s NEW MARE RIDES IN!
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Hi,

an interesting comment on the obvious stupidity of letting idiots loose acting in their own interest and self serving greed for status to desperately try to lie, cheat and leapfrog their way to listing as potential MEPs – Just how embarrassing can the on line snippet in The Daily Mail be regarding this disaster?

Genuine Patriots in UKIP must be relieved that the story of this foolish and dishonourable failure did not get into any papers of note.

Few of any intelligence or decency would disagree with UKIP’s staff member and now NEC appointee Steve Allison who comments:

The politicisation of any previously non-political group is actually a very bad thing in my opinion. Would you say it was a good thing that Remembrance Sunday is becoming more and more political? How long before it’s just another campaign activity that we all tick off on our campaign plans? I have never and will never lay a UKIP Wreath at a remembrance parade. I don’t want politics in that day. Look at the outcry when Tony Blair tried to use Royal occasions for party politics.

Try reading the Triumph of the political class by Peter Obourne. Brilliant Book. We should be fighting for less politics in things not more.

I do congratulate Lisa and her team on their result but I am still slightly saddened that politics has gained another foothold. In my opinion party politics shouldn’t be a part of local government at any level.

Clearly neither Peter Reeve nor his doxy Lisa Duffy would have the intellect or fundamental common sense to realise the damaging and demeaning folly of their stupidity.

So within hours the foolish pair dashed down to get their hands on the chain for a quick snap which demeans not only UKIP but the office of this glorified Parish Council – Ramsey is sadly made to look stupid by such behaviour – could they find no one of sober and self effacing competence?

This does rather show the stupidity of unprofessional UKIP with no competent training being used and abused for personal gain! What a shame to politicise yet another area of life just for these odious nobodies!

  • Population in 1801 – 1894.
  • Population in 1851 – 4645.
  • Population in 1901 – 4823.
  • Population in 1951 – 5770.
  • Population in 1971 – 5646.
  • After 1981 the parish population figures were divided into to the two de-facto parishes of Ramsey St. Mary and Ramsey Town.
  • Population in 1981 – 5816 (Ramsey St. Mary parish) and 3652 (Ramsey Town).
  • Population in 1991 – 4995 (Ramsey St. Mary parish) and 5181 (Ramsey Town).

I assume this includes the quoted 1,400 students at the local college!

Sadly this does put the over blown claims of UKIP’s achievements in perspective:

The Mouse That Roared!

Ruritania Rides Out?

I do appreciate this is being promoted as some sort of achievement to cover for the wholesale failure of UKIP in domestic politics.

I live in Chepstow in Monmouthshire at Geo. Sat. 353 484-194 013 or if you would rather NP16 5ET & NP16 5EX – you will note that is almost slap bang in the middle of the town of Chepstow.

Chepstow has a population of around 20,000 and in most wards it is a struggle to find someone to stand for the clown Council as it is – like all other Town Councils – virtually irrelevant – in fact I haven’t a clue and less interest who is the Mayor, a title awarded on the basis of ‘Buggins Turn’. £1 for each time I have been approached to stand or be co-opted to unfilled seats would pay for a pleasant evening for myself and a couple of friends at a local restaurant.

I note the comments of a UKIP supporter, in the local area of Ramsey, Len Baynes on one of the UKIP controlled Forums is telling and clearly UKIP would seem to have done themselves more harm than good with this appointment:

There are times when it is a good strategy not to win some elections. It has been a good strategy by Peter Reeve & Lisa Duffy to win district & council seats in their town & Lisa is set fair to win the final district council seat next year.

But the way they have taken over the parish council has left a bad taste in the town. The council has always been non-political and has had good respresentation from the town & the villages which make up the Ramsey ward. But UKIP flooded the ballot paper with candidates some of whom don’t live in the ward; and won an immediate majority. They then voted in Lisa Duffy as mayor and Ian Curtis as deputy mayor. Indeed the whole stance is combative so instead of everyone sitting randomly round the table Reeve has put all the UKIP members on one side of the table and the rest on the other side.

This is too much too soon and has shaken a lot of people in the town. It would be stupid to lose the bigger prizes by appearing to want a “benign” dictatorship in the area.

So far contary to some of the statements on this forum the Tories have been quite laid back about UKIP in the Ramsey area as they have huge majorities in Huntingdon DC and Peterborogh City council. This year the Lib DEms didn’t put up a candidate and the Tories put up a paper candidate & did no canvassing or electioneering. However make too big a noise and maybe they’ll get together in a common cause and start spending some money.

Come on guys use your brains

 Another supporter in damning Peter Reeve with sarcasm and feint praise for mounting this politicised raid describes the situation as Lilliputian!

It is hard to disagree – yes indeed well done for personal achievement there will always be those who seek to busy body and claim importance and it is great that our democracy allows for such self important people to gather and discuss, with no authority, the siting of benches, doug fouling in the streets, and as a vent for complaints about late night noise on some Councils they even sometimes have a local community Constable attend.

Even locally I have NEVER heard a political party crowing over the banal squabblings of the mental midgets on our council.

Sorry to present this as some great achievement shows UKIP up and demeans the party more than assists them.

That the party had such risible results in the recent local elections is further highlighted by the fact that they make much of this when let us face it Steve Povey would have been embarrassed if such agrandisement of his time as Mayor had been thus presented!

It is all as toe curlingly embarrassing as  having UKIP represented by proven liars and cheats like Mick McGough, David Bannerman and the like – the gonadically challenged like Gerard Batten, John Bufton and their ilk the utterly stupid like Godfrey bloom or the fraudulently dishonest such as Stuart Agnew, Derek Clark.

Then to see some irrelevant hireling writing blogs and essays dragging the name and reputation of Winston Churchill into the gutter politics of UKIP so demeans the party as to further render them unfit for purpose.

The tragedy is that UKIP was our only lifeboat and they have so demeaned themselves that the people of Britain have resoundingly rejected them as even after 18 years and many £Millions invested out of the 19,500 available seats for election their only claim is to have done better than the crypto communist Greens and promote as their great achievement ONE Mayor placed in a town council! Less than 30 seats are occupied across Britain by those elected as UKIP and of those 13 were elected on the wake of protest against Westminster’s perceived corruption to be MEPs – seen by the British public as largely irrelevant – and who could argue!

Sadly in or should I say within The EU UKIP’s residual 9 members in support of Farage would seem only to be seen as a slightly embarrassing comedy act. It is hardly surprising when one looks at the pond life gathered and rewarded as praise singers – all too willing to offer praise of Farage in return for the monies he liberally contributes to them from the public purse!

Is it any wonder that UKIP is described as bankrupt which I readily concede is something of a foolish statement by the half baked accountant and self publicist Marta Andreasen but that they are technically insolvent must come as little surprise as they desperately wriggle and squirm to avoid further liabilities for their utter incompetence in leadership and man management that has laid them open to serial exposure in the Courts.

Clearly they are broke as they have not as yet honoured their moral debts to me of £12,500 and clearly can not pay them – nor even honour the debt they incurred by their action as ordered by Cardiff Courts of £8,500 – yes it seems they are technically bankrupt their only excuse may be that they are morally bankrupt and utterly duplicitous.

I note Farage has been asked ‘to do a turn’ on 31st. May at a funded talking shop where the promotion is based on offering as compensation for listening to him ‘At least the cocktails will be enjoyable’ – in the invitations!
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#0452* – UKIP FORUM HAS IT ON THE BUTTON!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/05/2011

#0452* – UKIP FORUM HAS IT ON THE BUTTON!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
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Steve ALLISON on UKIP FORUM HAS IT ON THE BUTTON!
Knowing this has not however detered him from his persuit of a position on The MEP selection List I’m Sure!!

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Hi,

here is an abstract from UKIP Forum provided earlier by one of numerous supporters of UKIP who wish to see the Party cleaned-up and made fit for purpose as a party which morally decent INFORMED folk could once again support:

I’m no great fan of Nigel’s Leadership or Management Skills although I do recognise his oratory and presentation skills are second to none in UKIP. I would be surprised if there was anyone to match him in the party.

However, I don’t think Nigel is divisive. I actually think Nigel is a unifying force within UKIP! Nigel is building a party that consists of members who all agree he is wonderful and back him 100%.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, Nigel’s method of unifying the party is therefore to drive out or marginalise anyone who disagrees with him. That definitely makes the party more united and more homogeneous in the name of “professionalism” No dissenting opinions allowed. Get on message or get out.

I have been in this party many years and have seen how it works. New members join, often admittedly because of hearing Nigel speak or seeing him on TV. They are 100% Faragist and many never progress beyond this view. However,  some members do ultimately decide the God does have feet of clay. They then face a choice. If they want to progress in the party the only way to do that at the moment is to be vocally and visibly pro-Nigel. If they decide they cannot do that then they either leave the party (which many thousands have done over the years); stay a member and just keep working in their own local area to get our country back, since at the moment UKIP, for all it faults, is the only viable game in town (which is what many branch members do); or speak out and try and change things in the party (which ultimately leads to them either giving up and leaving or being hounded out. Again just look at the list of former members of UKIP if you want to see how often this happens).

Personally I am in the camp which recognises Nigel’s very great strengths but also his significant weaknesses. I came very, very close to being driven out in 2008 but decided to swallow the humiliation and stay and fight for change from within. Not very successfully I must admit so far. However, the acid test will come with the new party constitution. I suspect this will be the watershed for many people, including me!

Steve, how on Earth can you say that only those who are vocally and visibly pro-Nigel can progress when you are Vice-Chairman? Seems like a straw man argument seeing as you have repeatedly criticised Nigel and  backed a rival leadership candidate.

Actually the post of Party Vice Chairman is in many ways analogous to Vice President of the USA. A post required by the constitution but which has no power or authority and is a good place to park someone out of the way. It balances the ticket and puts a potential threat inside the tent p1ssing out rather than having them outside the tent p1ssing in.

I consider my most significant current contribution to UKIP to be my membership of the NEC. Something I was elected to by a vote of the membership, not appointed to by anyone.

Sadly this is no credit to anyone and well he knows it as he is surrounded by liars, cheats, bigots and self serving scheisters take for instance Derek Clark MEP who has lied, brought disgrace on UKIP – done virtually nothing in his constituency save preside, with the drunkard Regional Organiser over the collapse of membership from around 6,000 to just a tad over 400 at present.

Do remember the number of proven liars on the NEC such as Mick McGough and at the last NEC meeting you also had the proven liar Stuart Agnew MEP numerous individuals on The NEC have with monotonous regularity brought UKIP into disrepute.

Sadly not least in the order who have brought UKIP into disrepute are the likes of Godfrey Bloom with his sordid behaviour with prostitutes IN PUBLIC and invoking UKIP’s name when arrested.

Likewise the fraud boasted of by Derek Clark MEP.

The lies repeatedly told by Nigel Farage in efforts to cover-up and collude with Tom Wise MEP.

The fact that Tom Wise MEP was NEVER disciplined within the party and was defended with lie after lie by Douglas Denny & Nigel Farage until finally he was sent to prison for 2 years for his crimes.

I do not believe there is any merit to claim in being one of a committee of fools, low lifes, theives, self servers and liars!

Are you REALLY proud as you claim Steve or are you just ‘Self Serving’?

How unifying can he be when he has lost 25% of his MEPs. Rumour of another one or two following keeps coming up. If he had strong leadership qualities UKIP would have 12 MEPs and be sitting in the EFD unmolested working to whatever it is MEPs do.

If you take the numbers quoted by Michael Heaver that Nigel got 45% of the vote in the 2006 Leadership Election and 60% of the vote in 2019 then he is obviously uniting the party as level of dissatisfaction with him had dropped significantly. He therefore cannot be considered divisive. That is simple maths. His support in the party has gone from between 4 and 5 out of ten to 6 out of ten members who voted.

However, with all statistics you need to look beyond the numbers. In 2006 the UKIP Membership was around 16,000 and in 2010 it was around 15,000. Just getting rid of 1,000 members who might not be 100% behind Nigel would have contributed significantly to the rise in his apparent popularity. UKIP’s headline membership churn is somewhere around 30% (although I believe it is reduced somewhat after telephone “whipping in”) and a fairly high proportion of those people who leave are, in my personal experience, members who would not have backed Nigel in a Leadership contest but accept that he is practically unbeatable while he controls the media access obtained by the party (and hence prevents anyone who may challenge him from developing a higher profile) and Nigel holds the power of patronage for paid employment slots and promotion to winnable places on the MEP Lists.

Taking a simple analogy. A ton of Hematite (iron ore) is about 70% iron and 30% other material. So to get the purity up to 95% (typical pig iron) requires a considerable reduction in volume. A ton of hematite will produce at best around two thirds of a ton of pig iron. No matter how good your process you cannot convert 100% of Hematite into iron. You have to lose the impurities, you have to refine the material and discard the unwanted parts. So the end result of the process is a high purity, homogeneous pig iron ingot and piles of unwanted slag. UKIP membership is the same. Feed in unrefined members, reduce the volume until only the high purity, pro-Nigel fraction remains and discard the unwanted slag. So to keep the total membership constant requires a continual input of new members to replace the discarded slag. Of course there are always some impurities remaining, those stubborn elements that can’t be totally removed. The answer to them is mask them and minimise their effect!

I must say though I agree with almost all that Steve states regarding Nigel Farage where he re-itterates my oft repeated comments in that Nigel Farage is probably UKIP’s only real asset – one need only look at the incredibly low caliber of those elevated by him and around him and the irrefutable fact that Steve makes most clear which is that Farage though an excellent performer utterly lacks management and leadership skills and has had to relly not on building a bigger, better more skilled party but has driven out the skilled, the competent, the individuals of gravitas and is left surrounded by political pygmies and adulative small children like the sad spectacle of his assorted praise singers.

It is not a leadership quality to pile dung higher to strut as a popinjay crowing at the expense of and benighted by lack luster surroundings.

OK so the large majority of readers of this blog and also of Junius are UKIP Supporters – there are also the low lifes who visit looking to see what lies they can invent about me to desperately hang onto their position as maggots in the dung heap.

STOP FOR A MOMENT – Appreciate I have ALWAYS supported Nigel Farage as a performer and have without fail made every effort possible to TRY to clean-up UKIP and expose the vile specimens that are exploiting both Farage and UKIP for their personal gain.

OK – NOW NAME the top 20 public performers that have been trained and can be trusted not to say something crass as one would expect of Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Annabelle Fuller, Stuart Agnew MEP, Derek Clark MEP, Godfrey Bloom MEP, David Bannerman MEP, William Dartmouth MEP, Paul Nuttall MEP, Michael Heavers Childrens Wing, Hugh Williams The Untrustworthy Wing, Rachel Oxley The useless Tendency, Harry Aldridge Childrens Wing, Kris Seunarine Idiots Wing, Andrew Smith The Dishonest Tendency, George Curtis The Dishonest Tendency, William Shaw Idiots Wing, Need we go on?

Just who BESIDES Nigel Farage has one shred of visible competence and lets face it despite standing on a dung heap of his own creation Farage has maintained his ability but imagine what could have been achieved had UKIP not permitted Farage to destroy the party and turn it into his own private vehicle – even paying his wife £30K a year and Annabelle Fuller – how can ANYONE claim that is displaying probity, morality, integrity or ANY sign of leadership caliber?

Now consider this list and follow up on some of the links CLICK HERE
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