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#0719* – UKIP A PARTY at WAR WITHIN – The Squabbling Continues!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/12/2011

#0719* – UKIP A PARTY at WAR WITHIN – The Squabbling Continues!
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UKIP A PARTY at WAR WITHIN – The Squabbling Continues!

Yet again UKIP Leadership make so called policy on the hoof with NO political sense & much greed!!

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a cleart symptom of the irrelevance of UKIP in its present form is that its current leader has fallen out with at least 1/3rd. of his so called team and good performer he may be on some issues but leader he clearly isn’t – just see the policy mayhem in the public domain – the string of OLAF inquiries ito the thefts and scams of UKIP MEPs – consider the clear lack of democracy within the party – WOULD YOU want UKIP in ANY serious position of Governance.

Clearly UKIP leadership are a joke!

Endless childish stunts – criminal drunks as staff – No one of honour or integrity openly supports UKIP with its clowns like Mick McGough even the idiotic Douglas Denny has gone to ground and the list of people who have left them when they have a clear knowledge of the inside workings is quite scarey see CLICK HERE

Having lived firstly in The Aman Valley in 1981 and a subsequent 30 years based in Monmouthshire, on the edge of Wales I have taken a particular interest in the region – particularly as my Father was born in Llewynypia in 1921 – I have always taken an interest in Wales & Welsh political antics!

As a result of my interest and home I was, with Carys Pugh & Betty Bowen a founder of The NO Campaign for the destruction of Wales which I saw to be the outcome of Devolution – as it has proved to be for Wales, Scotland and these United Kingdoms – just to please The EU and aid it in the destruction of The UK.

To raise the profile we launched the slogan ‘JUST SAY NO’ and had a huge amount of merchandise and giveaways with the slogan all funded by private donation whilst the YES campaign was hugely funded by The Labour Party & Unions!

I also registered ‘The Welsh Assembly’ as a private Limited Company see CLICK HERE this led to it being an element of farce and the Government was forced to change the name to ‘The National Assembly for Wales’!

A measure of UKIP’s understanding of Welsh politics and Wales is they seem to understand so little they do not even know the construction or name of The Assembly nor point out it is an anti UK measure to aid The EU – they fail to even address Articles 263, 264 & 265 which are ALL that is pertinent in reality See CLICK HERE

United We Stand…
The United Kingdom. 

The United Kingdom Independence Party. 
It’s all in the name. However, we sometimes have to ask
“Which part of United Kingdom do you not understand?”
Deputy Party Leader Paul Nuttall’s policy proposal
“A Union for the Future” is a case in point…

The Devolution Settlement is a stupid mess.
On that we can agree with Mr. Nuttall.
As for the rest of his proposal, we profoundly disagree
both in sentiment and logic.

UKIP Wales has worked for 10 years on its policy to Abolish the Welsh Assembly and use Welsh Westminster MP’s to sort out Welsh issues One week a month would be set aside for this. 
English MP’s would have English days for English issues.
The Welsh Assembly has 10 years of nonsense, waste and policy failure to its credit and is in trouble.
We are living in exciting times. Brussels and the Euro are about to self-destruct and the Devolved Assemblies are losing credibility fast. 
It seems our Noble Cause is about to be won.
Mr. Nuttall says that Scottish, Welsh and Irish devolution has weakened the Union. 
Yet he says that English devolution will strengthen it. Far from strengthening it, we believe that an English Assembly would cause our Union to shatter. He has proposed a policy document from hell. We have been anticipating this kind of proposal for several years but
expected it to come from Brussels or the Welsh or Scottish separatists.
For it to come from UKIP Central is a deeply disillusioning experience.
Even those who like Mr. Nuttall’s proposal must admit that it will frighten and upset a lot of people. Why do this? UKIP occupies the perfect position right now! You can’t improve on perfect, you can only go backwards. 
So what is the point of “A Union for the Future”?
The English have, for many centuries, been very grown-up and patient on this subject. 
They have put up with, we admit it, the slightly tiresome antics of the Celtic Fringe because it was worth it in the interest of the higher cause of UNITY. We believe the great majority of the English still feel this way passionately.
UKIP and the United Kingdom can, in effect, sit quietly and allow Victory to fall into our laps. We have won the arguments. Our enemies are in disarray. We see it in the newspapers and on the television every day.
There is just one danger left. “Ourselves.” It is still possible to snatch Defeat from the jaws of Victory. How ? By developing and promoting new, wildly radical plans to tear up the British Constitution.
Whatever you strive for in life, you must always be very clear about
“..The Aim..”
and don’t allow yourself to be distracted from it.
We put it to you that UKIP’s aim is, and always has been:-..
“To preserve the United Kingdom INTACT !”
That, of course, means we must get out of the European Union. It also means that we must resist the Balkanisation of Britain.
We urge you to reject Mr. Nuttall’s policy proposal and support our efforts in Wales to remain a very close partner in the most successful Union the world has ever known
The following pages explain UKIP’s long standing policy on devolution.
Long Live The United Kingdom !
UKIP Wales There are two Principles, which underlie everything that UKIP stands for… 
One is the integrity of the UK, and the other is independence from the EU.
All policies must be judged in accordance with these principles.
The EU has long known that divide and conquer is the only way to create its Superstate. Under the EU’s stated plans, Britain is destined to be turned into 12 regions. After Labour came to power in 1997, the first of these devolved regional assemblies were created in Scotland, Wales, London and Northern Ireland.
UKIP Deputy Leader Paul Nuttall proposes that by breaking the UK into 5 Regions (London, England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland) and creating an English devolved Parliament, this will be a victory for UKIP, which will thwart the EU’s ambitions.
This is not the case.
It would, in fact, complete the next phase of Brussels’ plan to break up the UK.
Brussels always works on the ratchet principle. The next move by the EU would be to foment dissatisfaction in the North of England using present financial difficulties and to promote a split between North and South. Following that they would revive the ‘Regions of England proposal’ which failed last time. Then they would exploit any problems by installing unelected puppet regimes as they have just done in Greece and Italy.
The separatists in Wales also work on the same ratchet principle. Having just achieved more power in a biased referendum they are already asking for further powers. The lesson of history is that appeasement never works; it just leads to more demands.
Up until March of 2011, UKIP was the only mainstream political party that opposed the EU’s Regionalisation Plan for the UK.
The Party is now asking the membership if this should still be the case or if we should accept and push for separate devolved governments in the UK.
As a party, we are made up of people from all of the United Kingdom coming from many political backgrounds.
To adopt a policy that will be divisive, at the exact moment when we must be unified is folly. The EU is teetering on the brink, and diverting our efforts from our ultimate aim is madness. Britain leaving the EU is our aim, and dabbling in policies that will polarise the membership is an error of judgment.
Unless you live under one of the devolved
governments, you probably are not aware of the existing UKIP policy to address devolution.
The question we are asking, is:
“What was wrong with the existing policy?”
This is set out on the following page.
It does not pander to any other pressure groups. Paul Nuttall’s proposal was co-written by Eddie Bone and Scilla Cullen who are members of the Campaign for an English Parliament.
The existing policy is simple. It will not cost any more money but will save money – less politicians to pay. The civil service is already in place, and the MPs are already elected and paid to do their jobs.
It does not tamper with a formula that has worked for hundreds of years, and it addresses the injustices that some in England feel with the current state of affairs.
How it would work MPs are elected by first past the post in the same way and from constituencies that currently exist.
For three weeks each month MPs would meet in Westminster, as at present, to debate and vote on British matters (non devolved).
On the fourth week, the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs would meet in their home capital cities to deal with devolved matters.
There would be no further devolution of powers.
We would however lose the additional layer of politicians as the MPs would now do the job of MSPs, AMs and MLAs.
Purely English matters would be dealt with in England solely by English MPs.
Upper Chamber..
Every legislative body needs scrutiny otherwise poorly drafted and bad laws will result.
The House of Lords needs reform, not abolition.
English MPs.. Scottish MPs.. Welsh MPs.. Northern Ireland MPs.
British Parliament.
MPs elected from all of the UK Constituencies meet for 3 weeks of the month in Westminster.
United We Stand.
United We Stand.
Union for the Future.
Opposes the EUs Regionalisation Policy.
Will not distract us from getting out of the EU.
Answers the West Lothian Question without.
breaking up the UK.
No extra politicians/buildings/bureaucrats.
Maintains historic role of Parliament & MPs.
How Do They Compare?
Conclusion:
We believe passionately in the Union of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This Union has brought enormous benefits to us and to the wider world.
Our proposal is not regionalisation. It does not create new bodies or pander to separatist nationalists.
This is our answer to the West Lothian question, and the only way to preserve the Union.
We believe the membership of UKIP need to discuss this crucial policy at a “Constitutional Conference”, where the true feeling of the membership can be expressed.
“A Union for the Future” has the possibility of being very divisive for..
the Party.
After reading this counter proposal, we would be grateful if you could..
let us know what you think
We will collate the responses and use them to ensure that we do not adopt the “Union for the Future” without having had a fair chance to put an alternative to the Party.
You can either write to us, or email:
UKIP Wales,
29 Ponc Y Fron,
Llangefni,
Anglesey,
LL77 7NY
Email feedback@ukipwales.org
The more feedback we get, the greater our chance of changing a..
disastrous policy.

Thank you

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 This is the version UKIP are seeking to impose which seems bereft of any political sense or thought: CLICK HERE
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#0576* – PEPP Campaigner for UKIP Members Mike SMITH

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/07/2011

#0576* – PEPP Campaigner for UKIP Members Mike SMITH

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PEPP Campaigner for a NO vote for UKIP Members Mike SMITH
Tries Manfully to Keep Up with the Duplicity of UKIP Leadership & their parasites!!

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Mike SMITH of UKIP Tries Manfully to Keep Up!

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I see Mike Smith who was recently announced as having stood down as the long term Branch Chairman of UKIP Gloucester is struggling manfully to keep up to speed on the latest leaks from the sieve and machinations by the corrupt in UKIP to ajust AFTER THE DEBATE the question for the internal referendum most likely to obtain the vote the leadership would seem to favour for their utterly corrupt leadership team and its parasites.


Dishonest and corrupt individuals like Stuart Agnew NFU MEP, Mick McGough and their ilk – proven repeatedly to be liars and cheats.

Astonishingly this sort of dishonest chicanery and corrupt undemocratic behaviour is not brought to us by The EU this time but by their long term trough dwellers UKIP – which is even more concerning as they are the party that advocates as part of a style of government that there are regular referendums for the voters – yet when they hold one it is as corrupt as The EU and almost as corrupt as The Devolution of Wales referendum where the rules were changed 7 times on the day of the count and ballot boxes were stuffed with Yes votes whilst NO votes were destroyed or removed – This is devolving into the same level of dishonesty and farce that has come with UKIP leadership elections on a regular basis! 

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« Reply #69 on: June 30, 2011, 11:44:09 AM »

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The situation regarding the wording of the Question to be put to members has descended into absolute farce.
I was told last Monday by a very reliable source that the current version of the Question is;

“Should the UK Independence Party’s MEPs join a European Political Party as defined under Regulation EC2003/2004?”

This had not been announced officially because some members of the NEC had not been contacted. 
Consequently, the debates at Birmingham and Liverpool went ahead based on the original version of the Question as printed in Independence.

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