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#517* – FARAGE IS CLEARLY DISHONEST

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 03/06/2009

#517* – FARAGE IS CLEARLY DISHONEST

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Nigel FARAGE of EUkip IS CLEARLY A LIAR, DISHONEST & UNTRUSTWORTHY!

Tuesday, 2 June 2009
Farage’s Future post 4th June

If 4 weeks ago some one had asked me could I envisage a scenario for 4th June in which UKIP was expecting to increase its number of MEPs then I would have admitted defeat. However given all three major parties have managed to shoot themselves in both feet at the same time anything is possible. There is a continuous scale of UKIP MEP possible numbers from 3 to 20 say compared with 12 last time or 11 to allow for the reduction in the number of UK MEP seats.

I think Farage will step down post 4th June whatever the result. Ten or more seats will be a glorious triumph for the great leader to exit on. Less than 10 will be blamed on the usual BNP moles sabotaging the great leader. But the bottom line is NF wants to enjoy the high life in Brussels, large office, large salary, large pension, chauffeur driven limo that will come his way as leader of the IndDem group in Europe without the need to be involved in tedious British domestic politics. It will of course be spun as a necessary fight for UK independence from the EU, allies in Europe etc, but the truth is Farage went native years ago.

Where will that leave UKIP? Bannnerman & Nuttall both have leadership aspirations. Bannerman was and is a Europhile whom the Tories rejected years ago. Nuttall wants to be in Brussels rather than Bootle. The only decent choice for UKIP is Trevor Colman who would undoubtedly work in the UK to free us from the EU yoke but may not want the leader’s job.

Coming back to the result the d’Hondt method does pretty well reflect the percentage vote with an obvious cut off on smaller parties that get less than 8% in the South East and 12% in regions with less seats. It is possible to construct scenarios that could deliver a seat to a small party with slightly less than these percentages but it is not likely. So on this basis I give my estimates of the percentage vote necessary to deliver 1 and 2 UKIP MEPs in some areas.

East Mids (5) UKIP gets 1 with 20% and 2 with 36%
Eastern (7) UKIP gets 1 with 14% and 2 with 23%
London (8) UKIP gets 1 with 12% and 2 with20%
North West (8) UKIP gets 1 with 12% and 2 with 20%.
South East (10) UKIP gets 1 with 10% and 2 with 17%
South West (6) UKIP gets 1 with 16% and 2 with 30%
West Mids (6) as for South West
York & Hum (6) as for South West
Wales (4) UKIP gets 1 with 25%

If we look at the recent IPSOS/Mori poll:

CON 40%
LAB 18%
LIB DEM 18%

with the smaller parties splitting nationally:
Scottish/Welsh national: 4%
Greens: 6%
UKIP: 7%
BNP: 4%
Other: 3%

It looks like only a strong regional/personal vote for UKIP will deliver seats with South East NF looking reasonably secure, South West will exceed the national average by a factor of 2 to 3 and Eastern is likely to do well despite Bannerman but could be upset by the Greens and UKF.

There is a considerable North/South split however so although Nuttall looks like having a good chance in Lancashire the BNP may poll strongly there and in Yorkshire and the East Midlands.

It all depends on which poll you believe but it looks like a tough ask for UKIP to get more than 5 seats. What could upset everything is what the Sun comes out with tomorrow and on polling day.

Tim Worstall said…

Erm, those are general election voting intentions in that poll Eric, not euro.

Try again with the correct figures, eh?

02 June 2009 15:27

Greg L-W. said…

Hi,

Silly me I thought Tiny Tim was paid to do PR not endlessly snipe like the typical dishonest EUkip leadership – how soon he learns the ways of the EU.

I guess having made a stab at informing all the help one could expect from the BNP styled introspective and bullying liars at EUkip was an unpleasant comment.

Looks like Tiny Tim is just another political whore looking for an income – why am I not surprised as EUkip sure does attract some unpleasant parasites.

Eric does it matter howmany MEPs EUkip get? 0 to 3 will be on their merits and ALL the rest will be because of other people’s failures.

There is no doubt that the dishonesty and lies of Farage and The Faragista Fan Club of paid Praise Singers has been catastrophic for these United Kingdoms.

With not a single solitary candidate of calibre or integrity they will indeed need their liars and disemblers.

There is no party without Farage, as he has destroyed it, and there are no leaders in the wings – A failed Tory, who is not only confused about his parentage but has little knowledge of what a Policy document is – Do you recal he PROMISED to deliver 17 full policy documents by February! – he failed to deliver a single solitary costed, spell checked adult policy document, just some Tory reject policies he brought in his briefcase when they dumped him.

Then there is the BNP look alike liar, bully and general scally parachuted in without election as Farage’s puppet chairman.

Trevor Colman is just another bent coppe(r retired), who colluded in the criminality of Tom Wise by utterly failing in his duty as a citizen and accepting as ‘payolla’ the position replacing the dishonest and risible old rascal Graham Booth – he even agreed to continue to pay the liar, cheat and corrupt fixer for Farage who has betrayed members of UKIP for years, aided by his wife, on a very handsom EU salary.

EUkip sadly has no future as Farage has destroyed it – whether with 2 or 22 MEPs it will never shuck off the vile corruption by people like Moran, Lott, Croucher, Denny, Moran, Bannerman, Reeve, Clark, Booth, Knapman, Farage and their ilk built on sewage by sewage from sewage – just how high can one pile **it?

The ONLY thing EUkip has learned in 16 years, is how to behave like The EU – growth for growth sake, centralising its authoritarian control and increasing its own revenue for its own gain.

EUkip has under Farage’s mallevolent and dishonest control used the bully boy tactics, intimidation, lies and corruption we have seen before in EUrope in the rise and not so convincing demise of Fascism.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

02 June 2009 21:25

Eric Edmond said…

Greg,

The failure by Farage to deliver on numerous ‘promises’ is one of the main reasons he will disappear from the UK domestic political scene.

My substantive point on the election is not which poll you use is irrelevant but what the voting system requires is what matters. Tim W. like all Faragistas is incapable of seeing things as they are.

Come 7th June I may be proven completely wrong but I do agree with you that a maximum of 3 will get in on their merits and the rest on the failure of other people and parties

03 June 2009 00:54

Greg L-W. said…
Hi,

I wondered if you had seen this pack of lies from Nigel Farage:

You will note my comment below it:

Greg260146
Nigel Farage lie lies and lies about this issue – having invented his Reichstag Fire Moment he keeps peddling this nonsense. EUkip have not removed a SINGLE BNP member that they have identified merely elected NEC members whom they have lacked the integrity to state were BNP.
The claim is infiltration – name 5 BNP members brave Farage has removed.
This pack of lies from Farage is on a par with his pack of lies about removing Tom Wise, whom he promoted who RESIGNED in March 2009.
FARAGE LIED

FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER COMMENT:

NortonSubHamdon
If Farage had worked out who the infiltrators were why did he not name them? Answer, he did not because he made this whole story up to smear UKIP members who opposed him in UKIP. There is not a shred of evidence to support Farage’s fiction but these UKIP members are now presumed guilty without a chance to defend themselves. The media should be more aware of this nasty Nazi tactic by Farage that UKIP persistently uses to discredit legitimate critics.

minded that the YouTube comments are a limited number of characters!

Since the only people actually sacked by EUkip that are public knowledge are:
Martin Hasslam
Dr.David Abbott
Dr. Eric Edmond
Del Young
John West
Niall Warry
Gregg Beaman

Is it Nigel Farage’s contention that these individuals were infiltrators for the BNP.

To date Farage has never had one iota of proof that any of these were ever BNP – they may or may not have met a member of The BNP just as Farage has from time to time.

Do remember that the attempt to throw Niall Warry out was so criminally dishonest that on the advice of Michael Zucherman he was re-instated and also note that Del Young is Black and they have failed to remove either Dr. Edmond or Dr. Abbott despite mallicious gossip.

It is also worthy of note that Nigel Farage invited Buster Motram to join the party as a family friend and has frequently used him for publicity – also do note Nigel Farage invited Motram to speak to the NEC.

This pack of lies about BNP infiltration is a deliberate creation by Farage and his dishonest cronies, a ‘Beneficial Crisis’, a technique learned from The EU the developement of which is based on just such dishonest concepts.

The aim would seem to have been to justify Farage’s lurch to an authorotarian centrally controlled extreme right wing closet racist (where colour is often represented by difference of creed), to give ground on their natural alies the revolting BNP which Croucher, Searchlight, Common Purouse and the EU itself have done so much to promote.

The stance seems to be to raise the profile and stature of petty vile xenophobic Nationalism to undermine the laudable values of Patriotism.

Farage and his immediate cronies base their entire argument on the style of The BNP, intimidation, unfounded slurs and a tissue of lies.

One must wonder if it is in fact out of stupidity and the failure to realise there is no realistic distance between extremists be they extreme right or extreme left they are equally as vile.

One must ask if the imbecilic and transparent nature of the vile behaviour of EUkip’s leadership is of ignorance spurred on by greed as puppets or sentient realisation of what they are doing in which case their behaviour is in many ways worse than their BNP bretheren or even The EU and Common Purpose.

Politics has Never been a simple game but a sequence of hands as in a Poker Game.

Having failed to identify a single BNP infiltrator by name with convincing evidence Farage will no doubt continue to lie and deploy his more vile accolytes to spin and weave a new fabric of dishonesties.

Nigel Farage is beyond doubt a liar – a cunning and sometimes, to the gullible, a plausible liar but a liar no less.

The question is whether he is a liar from venal greed and stupidity based on moral dyslexia or is he trained as a liar to betray these United Kingdoms for his masters?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

03 June 2009 09:55

Eric Edmond said…

Greg,

Thank you for your comments re the lies of BNP infiltration. I agree with you completely and also with NF’s complete lack of any proof.

This is what I fell out with him 10 minutes into my first NEC meeting. I made it clear to him then that I would not rubber stamp any of his ridiculous tirades and smears without seeing independent evidence to support his claims. To the best of my knowledge Farage has never produced any evidence of BNP moles/infiltrators or whatever in UKIP.

Every journalist I read retelling Farage’s lies on BNP infiltration I email suggesting he asks Farage to name one of these claimed infiltrators. So far, no reply

Eric

03 June 2009 10:33

You can view the original article and exchange on Dr. Eric Edmond’s Blog CLICK HERE

Interestingly I note that not only is Eric Edmond quite right in that Nigel Farage has never once named a single BNP, so called, infiltrator – not ONE, unless of course you include the long term EUkip member Farage encouraged as a family friend , to join EUkip to help him – Buster Motram who I am told was some sort of tennis pro. who I gather has an association with Farage’s father Lt. Guy Farage (TA rtd.) who I understand was associated with him via The National Front.

The closest to any claims of association with The BNP seem to be the dishonest lies of Mark Croucher an egregious piece of filth who has done huge damage to the credibility of EUkip since his association and subsequent employment.

Mark Croucher has proved time and again that he is a liar and a cheat and has proved a serial failure at much that he has ever touched. He turned EUkip’s in house magazine into an untrustworthy pack of lieas and inuendos. He brought EUkip’s reputation into the gutter with areas of the media with his lies and dishonesty most traceably during the period when he was telling lies to the media and to The Press Complaints Commission when his submission was totally rejected.

Mark has also lied on many occasions about me and his repetition makes his lies no more valid than when he first lied.

Many will remember when he and the foul mouthed Fuller seemingly colluded in their vile dishonesty regarding Richard Suchorzewski, scared witless they would be out of a job if he was elected leader as he would never have tollerated their vile associations, foul language, obscene smears and gutter behaviour.

Many will be aware of Croucher’s endless dishonesty about Dr. David Abbott whom, as those who are informed will know, was a protege of Nigel Farage’s who had, as a Doctor practicing in America had made a donation to an organisation for support of Britain – the immense total of $100 (at the time about £50.00!!!), that the organisation SUBSEQUENTLY transpired to be a ‘front’ for BNP collection was discussed by EUkip’s NEC and it was UNANIMOUSLY agreed that this was no hinderance to being either a member the elected NEC member or a candidate.

In an effort to damage the party Mark Croucher, at a later date made much of the matter and the fact that David had at one time or another MET Nick Griffin in public at a function – this was probably done for his masters at Searchlight – a vile and extreme clandestine organisation not very different to The BNP in its methods, where Croucher has been at home for many years supplying details of members to this extreme left wing self interest group.

Again the matter of Dr. Abbott’s membership on the NEC was debated and it met with only ONE opponent who was Richard Suchorzewski who went along with Farage and the rest of the NEC eventually on an assurance from David Abbott that he did not nor had he ever supported the racist aims overt or covert of The BNP nor its style of Politics. Besides Farage Del Young spoke strongly in Dr. Abbott’s favour.

Having it seems failed in virtually every aspect of his life this poisinous little man Croucher, in order to damage EUkip to maintain some element of control has, despite all the facts, continued to make much of this issue for his personal agrandisement.

Similarly this odious little liar has repeatedly tried to claim that some years back I invited Griffin to a Huntsman weekend with some 30 other people – a lie of course but no doubt he will try to spin his lies repeatedly. Like a small child because he can find not a single lie I have ever told in my life – a conditiion he is clearly unable to comprehend he now resorts to name calling and misrepresentation.

If this is the standard of filth and the methods of Farage’s EUkip then as a Patriot I for one would like to see him on trial for his betrayal of the values of these United Kingdoms and would welcome the return of a Treason charge for the manner in which they have harmed Britain – They are beneath contempt, vile inadequate little men!

Interestingly for all his lies and those of EUkip’s leadership threy have never ONCE identified a single solitary inaccuracy or substance on any of my Blogs nor been able to rebutt a single solitary fact I have posted.

I note that the odious little Croucher, to try to build his stature, has I gather set out to build another dishonest smear case – this time against Piers Merchant. It would seem he has created an identity for him and established him as some sort of super sleuth in his own mind.

Without one shred of apparent evidence we were I gather regailled with some drivel that the Clever serial failure and general low life had identified Junius – when he realised just how foolish such a claim was he rapidly claimed that what he meant was Piers Merchant wasn’t Junius but supplied all Junius’ information.

I can catagorically state this is not just a pack of lies but could not be very much further from the truth. I know and am aware of the majority of the sources of the information on Junius Blog – I have spoken with the Junius blog writter and members most days since it was started.

If Mr. Merchant would care to take Croucher and EUkip to court and of course as Croucher’s, Nuttall’s and Arnott’s sponsors Farage would of course be clearly responsible under law – I would be only too happy to attend Court to see an end to these lies, these liars and such vile behaviour and defamation of individuals as a method of political advancement.

The filth that are EUkip’s leadership are aware that I am unlikely to take legal action against them for their dishonesty as having not worked for almost 9 years due to cancer I am unable to sustain any kind of legal action – Piers Merchant and his wife, on the other hand could probably buy every asset owned by Farage, Croucher and Arnott from his wife’s salary alone!

As an aside dishonest claims have been made by Croucher to raise his credibility where none exists – there has been absolutely no diminution in information since or due to any activity of his as no information has ever come to me from any source he even is aware of and I doubt he can work out Junius’ sources – he can’t even work out who is involved in that blog!

There has been a CHANGE of sources and the type of information since The EU Parliament stood down for elections – this has mainly been due to the fact that most of our sources are scattered due to involvement in electioneering for their various parties. Some are retiring this election – others have been promoted.

Whether Croucher continues to leak material or not is a matter of irrelevance.

It is widely known that due to Croucher’s involvement I now have several copies of EUkip’s data bases. That despite leaking internal documents and posting them on the Forum Croucher has also admitted that EUkip has ignored the serious Official Caution received by Paul Nuttall the unelected puppet of Farage (and shortly to be stalking horse) – EUkip has blatantly ignored The ICO’s warning and the law and thus unencrypted data bases have been readily available.

Unlike Croucher I shall not be providing details of the members to any other organisation as you will recal Croucher has openly boasted in public of supplying details of members to the extreme and vile Searchlight with which he is closely and shamefully associated and despite the irrefutable fact that they are pro EU he boasts of actively being a fund raiser for Searchlight.

Is this really what the British public fool enough to vote for EUkip actually realise they are voting for?

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

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