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Nigel Farage of UKIP A Dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, Violent, Bully

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/03/2014

Nigel Farage of UKIP A Dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, Violent, Bully
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I am not alone inhaving known& followed him on a near daily basis for over 15 years, I can catagorically assure you that Nigel Farage of UKIP is a fraud; he is a dishonest, Divisive, Insecure, Amoral, Womanising, Violent, Bully.

You will have noted the articles on these facts in the press and on the media, which are becoming increasingly common as the populism of UKIP raises Nigel Farage’s profile in EU politics.

UKIP is not being picked on in any way and their pathetic claims that ‘the establishment’ is picking on them because they are a threat is clearly a nonsense – UKIP’s risible results in domestic politics give the lie to their fantasy after over 20 years in modern politics and around £50Million of tax payers money, not to mention the funding of millionaire donors and its own members who have been ripped off and defrauded on a near industrial scale UKIP has never come anywhere near having an MEP elected and Farage himself came an irelevant third last time he stood and that was against the deeply unpopular little Bercow with no Labour or Lib.Dim. standing.

Let us not forget how badly UKIP has done in Local Elections where when 1,750 seats were being contested they only obtained 149 seats of whom Nigel Farage’s incompetent leadership and fear of competition has displaced around 20!

I am far from alone in presenting these facts of this sad figure of a man endlessly seeking the ‘company’ of impressionable young women who have found their way to secure employment at the tax payers’ expense! Farage’s insecurity is palpable as he hounds out those who may challenge him to his position as a strutting poppinjay on top of the farm yard dung heap he has created to give him a platform for conquest of the impressionable and the sycophancy of fools who he treats with all the dignity one knows of old amongst the ‘praise singers’ of tribal Africa!

You need only read the facts presented by the informed over the years such as myself

  • past Party Leaders including founder Alan Skedd & Roger Knappman MEP
  • UKIP MEPs like Mike Nattrass, Nikki Sinclaire, Kilroy Silk, Ashley Mote, David Bannerman, Martha Andreassen etc.
  • Past Party Chairmen including Roger Knappman MEP, John Wittacker MEP, Petrina Holdsworth
  • and many elected NEC members such as Dr. David Abbott, Richard Suchorzewski,  Dr. Eric Edmond, Ian Gillman, Del Young, and some 50+ other ex NEC members
  • together with such senior staff members as Heather Connyngham, Dr. Richard North and others.

UKIP may well ‘claim’ to have increased their membership to 35,000, which would be a g0od result were it not including many who are dead, a large number who have been given free life memberships and were it not based in an excess of ‘churning’ with far more ex, unrenewed members than have paid up for a membership.

Just follow the many commentaries on UKIP where they have made a great many enemies who have seen through their dishonest abusive, anti homosexual, anti Jewish and overtly racist policies and associates – the adverse publicity UKIP has earned under Nighel Farage’s self serving leadership is clearly well earned.

UKIP is in the classic position as they make more noise that there are those who investigate them and find it is not just noise but all too often noisesome and UKIP is learning the truth of the old truism that:
‘The higher up the tree the monkey climbs the more you see it’s Rse’
& in UKIP’s case and Farage’s in particular it is not a prety sight.

IF you find these facts hard to follow or in some way implausible then may I suggest you search through the media publicity UKIP and Farage have earned and try to identify the few articles that genuinely present UKIP in a good light, try to find articles that prese4nt UKIP’s achievements for in the 15+ years I have followed them in detail I have found at least 10 adverse articles & 20 damning them with feint praise for every one article praising them presenting an achievement they have made.

All too often the articles endeavouring to praise UKIP and Farage’s leadership turn out to be written by those seeking prefferment in the party such as the deeply suspect Patrick O’Flynn who for many months presented articles in The Express which we now know were to be rewarded by both a salaried job as Spin Doctor & press Officer and as lead candidate for a position as an MEP (High roll motivation for betrayal of his ethics as a political journalist for The Express!) or alternatively the articles are found to be either a pack of lies as with several articles Annabelle Fuller has placed by devious and suspect means or articles by directly salaried staff!
Consider the article below, which will of course have been ‘legalled’ by The Telegraph lawyers to be sufficiently accurate as to not attract litigation for inaccuracy.
I believe the investigations by the police that are underway will do much to influence the publicity UKIP & Farage receive over the next few weeks with a number of arrests more than likely!

Nigel Farage has a ‘violent temper’ claims female MEP

Nikki Sinclaire, a former Ukip MEP, claims Nigel Farage threatened her with his fist during an outburst

Nikki Sinclaire, who left Mr Farage's party and now sits as an independent, claimed the Ukip leader has a

Nikki Sinclaire, who left Mr Farage’s party and now sits as an independent, claimed the Ukip leader has a “violent temper”  Photo: GETTY IMAGES

A former Ukip MEP claims Nigel Farage left her trembling after putting his fist in front of her face during a furious outburst.

Nikki Sinclaire, who left Mr Farage’s party and now sits as an independent, claimed the Ukip leader has a “violent temper” and has fallen out with a string of MEPs.

The party is hostile to women and used to hold meetings in gentlemen’s clubs, Ms Sinclaire claimed.

A party spokesman declined to comment on the allegation Mr Farage had put his fist in her face during an outburst.

She told the BBC: “I’ve been a victim of violence from Nigel Farage, assault in the European Parliament.”

“It was physical and verbal that made me tremble. He didn’t hit me – that’s battery. Assault is where someone puts their fist in front of someone’s face and threatens you.”

She said the party was unwelcoming to women.

“You will not find a senior women who has been there fore more than five years. When I was on the national executive we had meetings in gentlemen’s clubs: that was there attitude towards women.”

She went on: “Nigel Farage has been an MEP for 15 years; in that time there has been 19 other UKIP MEPs and he has fallen out with 11. In this Parliament in the last five years, the 12 MEPs he brought back to Brussels, he has fallen out with six.”

She said the party had achieved nothing since it was first elected to Brussels in 1999, and the party’s allies in the EU parliament included Holocaust deniers.

She denied she had a vendetta against the party.

“My mine purpose in life is to get a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union.”

Ms Sinclaire represents the West Midlands and is currently on bail on fraud charges relating to her parliamentary expenses.

Earlier this month she used parliamentary privilege to claim Mr Farage had employed his wife and former mistress on the Brussels payroll.

To view the original article CLICK HERE

 

Farage has desperately sought to defend himself against the facts pertaining to his dishonesty having promised on Meridian TV never to employ members of his family and assuring the voters in the run up to election that no member of UKIP if elected would ever employ members of their families and was not only the first to break this ‘cast iron promise’ by employing his wife @ some £30K pa of tax payers’ money but went on to lie on TV in debate with Nick Clegg that he had never promised not to employ family WHICH WAS A BLATANT LIE.

We then note Farage made much of claims that Nikki Sinclaire MEP, who had resigned from the party as unwilling to support Farage’s anti homosexual stance and his overt support of racism and corruption, he has denounced her on the grounds that she is on bail whilst the police seek a way to save face having accepted dishonest allegations from UKIP that she had used her accounts fraudulently over 2 years ago and on which subject it is over 18 months since she was in any way questioned by the police! Let us not forget that on more than one occasion Nigel farage has been officially investigated and has been found guilty of fraudulent use of tax payers’ money, unlike Nikki Sinclaire who has never been investigated officially by OLAF for the EU!

 

Let us also note that Farage tried to imply that when Nikki Sinclaire denounced the fact that he was employing both his wife and at least one of his mistresses at the tax payers’ expense particularly in these times of austerity she had acted in some sort of inappropriate manner in doing so in The EU Parliament – let us not forget this has been the method of denunciation of many politicians whom Nigel Farage has sought to insult or berate – not least of whom was Barrott when he denounced his criminality or Barrosso for his unelected and profligate stance, or the obvious incompetence and unelected status of Mrs. Ashton etc. etc.

 

UKIP had an excellent and popular cause yet it has done little to promote it and has a very small following out of the some 40% of opponents to EU membership and have resoundingly failked the EUroSceoptic movement.

In fact it is impossible to name a single achievement of UKIP under Farage’s leadership that is of any consistent value to the cause of Leave_The_EU – even going so far as to try to sabotage efforts to gain sufficient signatures to ensure a House of Commons debate on membership of The EU and forcing a Referendum on David Cameron when Nikki Sinclqire’s efforts caused the largest rebelluion of Tory voters in the House – as Nigel Farage dishonestly and shamefully turned up on the day to try to pretend he and his party had had something to do with the achievement!

Indee the higher up the tree this particular monkey climbs the more one realises how unattractive the view is!

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#0712* – Is McGOUGH fit to represent UKIP / Anyone?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 12/12/2011

#0712* – Is McGOUGH fit to represent UKIP / Anyone?
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Is Mick McGOUGH fit to represent UKIP / Anyone?!

Astonishingly this unfortunate obsessive and proven liar is employed by Batten & placed on UKIP’s NEC!

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Do note:

 The unfortunate old man would seem to have some sort of obsessive disorder or perhaps the tragic onset of dementia.

You will note in his dottage he has moved on from cheating and telling lies to try to get on the EU Gravy Train this poor old chap would cross the country for the opening of an envelope just to bore people with his self congratulatory dishonesty.

You will note from the screen capture above my spam filter has picked up almost 5,000 offensive and repetitive spam ‘e’Mails from him and also the Demon Address has done likewise.

This sort of behaviour from an elderly and dishonest member of UKIP’s executive just makes the party look foolish!

Whether this is some sort of jealousy as in the past he has been desperately worried that I might be being paid for publishing facts about The EU and its colaborators who do so much to help them by bringing EUroScepticism into disrepute as he does.

Clearly from his public attempts to smear McGough has no understanding of principles, ethics or morality and is convinced that people only do things for money!

More worrying is the possibility that his obsession is of a more dangerous nature and based on some sort of homosexual fantasy as he has done much in the past, on public forums, to denigrate the fact that to save on potential death duties and to make life much easier for my partner of 26 years we married earlier this year and McGough seems to feel a need to denigrate her for making that choice. Rather a sensible one really in view of the expected terminal nature of my latest cancer diagnosis at the time! See CLICK HERE

You will note that of the some 10,000 spam ‘e’Mails he has sent me in the last 3 weeks none have I bothered reading but clearly Mick McGough brings UKIP into disrepute with such obsessive and offensive peurile behaviour. Obviously with my virus detection he is one virus I am able to ignore!
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#0695* – Steve ALLISON Seems distanced from UKIP!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/11/2011

#0695* – Steve ALLISON Seems distanced from UKIP!
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Steve ALLISON Seems distanced from UKIP!

A strange situation for an elected NEC member YET AGAIN particularly one appointed as Party Vice Chairman!!

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you may find this information posted on another blog of interest:

I note that Steve Allison has effectively been dumped by UKIP for seemingly having stood up to the corruption within UKIP leadership and he has on numerous occasions stated that his election to UKIP NEC and appointment as an Officer of the party was largely irrelevant and carried no authority.

He would seem to have majorly fallen out with the corrupt leadership of UKIP for having organised a depate and vote on PEPP which the leadership resoundingly lost and unlike previous Officers such as Douglas Denny he was not it seems willing to cheat and rig the election.

I noted on the 13-Nov-2011 moves were afoot in Hartlepool to address the monkey in the pack by seeking to give a voice to local politics and local issues and by acting as a group the Independent Councillors and those of minority parties such as UKIP, BNP, Greens and the like have formed a ‘Cross Party Political Party called:
“Hartlepool Independents – Putting Hartlepool First”

Here is their page regarding Steve Allison:

PARTY OFFICERS

Party Leader; Councillor Geoff Lilley,

***CUT***

Party Treasurer; Councillor Stephen Gibbon,

***CUT*** 

Party Secretary ; Mr Stephen Allison, responsible for ensuring that Hartlepool First complies with all legal requirements placed upon it by statute other than those relating to finance which are the responsibility of Party Treasurer. Party Secretary is also the Party Nominating Officer under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000.

The Party Leader, Party Treasurer and Party Secretary constitute the Party Executive Group under the Constitution of Hartlepool Independents – Putting Hartlepool First.

15-Nov-2011 although UKIP have made no official announcement and there is no comment on their web site where in fact they still list Steve Allison as Party Vice Chairman with an elected office lasting until 2013 it has been made clear publicly that he is no longer authorised to communicate with members on the heavily controlled UKIP Forum!

It is worth noting the apparent collapse of UKIP with we gather less than 5,000 votes cast in their recent NEC elections, which would indicate on past form a real membership of around 8,000 with (any) all others being little more than titular!

 
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 which rapidly accesses a great deal more information on UKIP its associates, members and actions past and present.
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#0594* – UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 18/07/2011

#0594* – UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC

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~UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC!

One has to wonder why Steve Allison did not listen to those who knew he would just be used and damage what reputation he had, if he tried to find his way onto The UKIP MEP lists via The NEC!

Clearly he is starting to realise! 

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there WILL be additional comments on this posting when I get a chance but to be going on with the liar, fantasist and discreditted fool Douglas Denny has been posturing on UKIP Members’ forum but I can’t be bothered cut and pasting his desperate efforts to seem credible – However he is threatening to post on the other UKIP controlled blog owned by the corrupt and incipid little dweeb Anthony Butcher who is always willing to host any vituperative dishonesty UKIP require posted.

To find out more about the general dishonesty and specific lies of Douglas Denny CLICK HERE

To read Douglas Denny’s comment on UKIP Members’ Forum see the end of this posting!

UKIP: Steve Allison on the NEC

A most interesting report!
Which is published verbatim below and below that is parsed by both Junius and I:

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:47:09 +0100
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DISCLAIMER : You are receiving this e-mail as you have indicated in the past that you would like to be kept informed of my activities as a member of UKIP’s NEC. If you don’t wish to receive these e-mails please reply with “STOP” in the e-mail subject area. These observations are my personal comments and are not an official record of the NEC Meeting. A formal report and the summary minutes will eventually appear on UKIP’s Website. However, I am a great believer in transparency and so write this e-mail in that spirit but I do self censor these digests based on the following guidelines for deciding if something needs to be considered confidential. Regardless of how open I may wish to be I am not going to publish things that could cause problems later on.
1. Information relating to on-going or potential legal action; 2. Information of a personal nature relating to an individual; 3. Commercially sensitive information; 4. Information which could be considered privileged (eg advice of a solicitor or an accountant); 5. Information which could be used to disadvantage the party.

Hi,

everyone, sorry this digest is a little late but I just couldn’t summon up enthusiasm to type up my notes on the way home on Monday night. I put this down to the pint and a half I had in the Sherlock Homes before getting on the train and I have been very busy with my real life (visiting clients and earning money) since Monday. To be honest nothing of any great importance was discussed at the NEC, which is about par for the course. No papers were distributed in advance of the NEC so once again it was try to listen, read, understand and then make some useful input on the hoof. I personally am just not mentally nimble enough to do this. I am considering sending my apologies to the next NEC when no papers are circulated in advance since that will obviously mean nothing of any importance is on the agenda.

The main NEC was preceded by another Constitution Review Working Party. The draft of the constitution was at least circulated on the Friday so we had an opportunity to scan through it in advance. Unfortunately I didn’t really get the opportunity to do more than scan and so struggled to absorb and understand 18 pages of “notwithstanding” and “aforementioned clauses excepted” and other legal gobbledegook. The review meeting managed to get about half way through the third draft before it ran out of time.

There was some discussion over a clause that defined the NEC as the party’s Board of Directors and, after the Leader, the party’s principal authority. The “after the leader” was vigorously contested by several of the working party and the agreement reached was that the NEC had to have final authority on all admin and financial matters and The leader would participate in these discussions as an equal member of the NEC. The NEC was also keen to maintain final authority over the party manifesto, but accepted in principle that the leader was responsible for the political direction of the party. This actually came up in the main NEC after lunch when the Welsh Assembly Elections were discussed. (More on this later).

The main NEC kicked off with apologies for absence. Michael Zuckerman was not present but it was explained that he considered his term of office expired in March and as he was not seeking re-election, he would not be attending any more NEC Meetings. Rachel Oxley was also absent but as the Chairman announced her resignation from the NEC it was not a surprise she was not at the meeting. The NEC wished both Michael and Rachel the best for the future and expressed their thanks for their service to the party. Rachel’s resignation means that there will be six vacancies on the NEC for election in September, not five as stated in the Independence News. Nominations open for the NEC next week and close in August. The candidates will get an opportunity to speak at the Conference and the vote will be by postal ballot after that.

Minutes of the last meeting went through more or less on the nod. I missed the last meeting so I could not really comment.

Under matters arising, I gave a report on the Pan European Parties debate. The ballot papers have been printed and the fulfilment house is making up the packs this week. Ballots will be despatched to the members starting from Monday 18th July and votes need to be returned by 15th August.

The cost of preparing for the ballot has been £4,685.00 (based on an eligible voting membership of 15,519). The costs of actually receiving back and counting the returned ballots depends totally on the turn out. If we get one vote back then it will have cost £5,385.31 for that member to have his (or her) say. If we get 100% turn out then it will have cost £10,195.81 for the ballot. The actual amount will be somewhere between the two extremes!

Steve Crowther pointed out that the result of the ballot would be binding on all MEPs. Either all would join a P-EP or none would join. Gerard Batten, attending the NEC as one of the MEP Representatives (the other this time was Paul Nuttall) pointed out he would not join a P-EP that did not have a commitment to withdrawal in its articles. Currently there is no P-EP that has such a commitment. It may be that in the event of a “YES” vote in the ballot then UKIP would need to set up its own P-EP in order to have such a commitment enshrined in the P-EP’s constitution.

Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents’ associations and local independents using the “dual candidate” route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals). If for example an organisation called “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say “Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate” or “Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate” It costs £250 to register a political party and I’ve suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an “Independent” or “Residents” Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!

Nigel gave his leaders report. As per usual, nothing had been circulated in advance. Basically, all’s well with the world and things are going great. The Patrons’ Club continues to expand and the dinner that night was oversubscribed.

Chairman’s report covered the London Elections. Ten Candidates have declared for Mayor and an on-line “primary” is to be held. The names were not mentioned but I assume the London Committee are on top of this? Annual Conference in Eastbourne was mentioned. Nothing new really here apart from a suggestion that the EFD Group might use some of their budget to sponsor at least part of the conference. It was also pointed out that each individual MEP could use their allowances to have a stand at the conference show casing the work they do in their region.

A good idea really and one that would legitimately put EU/MEP money into the conference. Interesting to see how many MEPs take up this suggestion?

A new recruitment brochure was flashed in front of the NEC. This has been sent to the Regional Organisers for comment. It was not passed round to the NEC.

Legal matters was its usual depressing report. Least said about it the better

Finance showed we were in the red but not badly so. The cash flow looked worse than it was because all the costs for the conference were known but ticket sales had not yet started so that was making the situation look worse than it really was. The Deputy Treasure explained in his report that this was because the outgoings on the conference were definite items of expenditure we would be making but ticket sales were only a possible income we might be getting. So, prudence said we had to assume we wouldn’t sell any tickets until the money actually started to come in.

Jonathan Arnott has taken over the management of the introduction of the new membership database. He has only been doing this for a couple of weeks so is still getting to grips with the brief. I would have liked some form of written report and hopefully this will eventually be forthcoming. However, I’m not holding my breath!

John Bufton and David Bevan then addressed the NEC. The discussion was a little side tracked by a discussion on whether Wales had a regional organiser and if a dedicated campaign office was essential, (my view on that one is NO it isn’t. UKIP spent £50,000 on a “Campaign Office” for the 2009 European Parliament Elections and any value for money analysis would, in my opinion, have concluded it was not money well spent.).

The Welsh discussion then further meandered off the point into a quite interesting exchange of views on UKIP’s position on an English Parliament. Ultimately, the Welsh Question could not be totally lost and the answer was that policy was indeed changed at the last minute and without reference to the Welsh Committee or indeed to the NEC.

The long-standing policy of abolish the Welsh Assembly was changed to one that, in my opinion, fudged the issue to adopt a more populist line which produced a basically reformist position rather than the clear cut abolish. This was justified on the grounds that a majority of those people who bothered to vote supported more powers for the assembly at the referendum which was held just a few days before the elections. UKIP therefore had no choice but to drop the abolish the assembly policy!

This decision was taken by Nigel. As the UKIP Party Constitution currently stands he was totally within his rights and exercising powers he holds under the constitution. Indeed the Party Leader can adopt, amend or drop any policy he likes without any reference to anyone. He can consult IF he wishes to but is not obliged to take any notice of any advice he may receive. (This was the same reason UKIP supported AV. Nigel decided it was the way to go so that was UKIP’s policy!)

The Welsh Committee may indeed feel they had their legs chopped from under them and may feel that UKIP should be seeking to abolish the assembly rather than just reform it. Being a reform party does bring UKIP into line with every other party in Wales so are they all wrong? However, the bottom line is that UKIP Policy is set by Nigel. He decided a more populist reform policy was preferable to an uncompromising abolitionist policy. That is the prerogative of the UKIP Party Leader and there is nothing UKIP Wales can do about it. Of course, if chasing populist votes is the name of the game then every other party in Wales supports the EU. So maybe UKIP Wales needs to change from withdrawal from the EU to reform the EU?

There was some discussion on the MEPs code of conduct and the nine points it covered. Nothing really new was said. Basically the argument has now become circular and old ground is being re-hashed. The Code of Conduct signed by UKIP’s MEP Candidates is too weak and not enforceable. Stable doors and bolted horses come to mind. The lesson for next time needs to be learned and the document needs to clearly spell out what is expected.

The concept of “friends” groups was also discussed, as there is a request to recognise Hindu Friends of UKIP Group. As we have already recognised a UKIP Friends of Israel group, it makes it almost impossible to object to anyone who wants to attach the UKIP name to their own particular cause. Personally I would not officially recognise any “friends” groups as I consider them divisive and completely against UKIP’s supposed policy of not pandering to special interest groups. As it turn out the UKIP Friends of Israel have nearly a full page in the next issue of Independence News. Another dangerous precedent in my opinion. However, what do I know?

David Coburn made a brief presentation on why we should hold the 2012 spring conference in Gibraltar but as Steve Crowther informed the NEC that it was going to be in Skegness this made the whole discussion a bit pointless.

We were now running out of time. Nigel had already left to get ready for the Patrons’ Club pre-dinner drinks at 6.00pm and of course the important people on the NEC also needed to be getting over there promptly.

As usual, there was a lot of talk but very few or more accurately no real meaningful decisions taken. There is no NEC Meeting in August but I’m sure the Party will somehow manage to survive without our guiding hand. After all, if you look on page 18 of your Independence News you will see a comprehensive listing of “Who’s Who in UKIP” and the NEC is conspicuous by its absence!

As usual there were many things said that I have not covered but these are my high point recollections. There will be an official report by the Party Chairman posted on the Members forum in due course.

& Here it is parsed with comments:

Hi,

everyone, sorry this digest is a little late but I just couldn’t summon up enthusiasm to type up my notes on the way home on Monday night. I put this down to the pint and a half I had in the Sherlock Homes before getting on the train and I have been very busy with my real life (visiting clients and earning money) since Monday.

To be honest nothing of any great importance was discussed at the NEC, which is about par for the course.

G.L-W.:  I have been reporting in some detail on NEC meetings for many years and I agree this judgement – In fact so do UKIP leadership who have often told their members not to read my various blogs and ‘e’Mails as they are bunkum – well then clearly as they have NEVER managed to show a single dishonesty or inaccuracy one is forced to conclude the facts I provide which ARE without exception true show UKIP NEC just spout ‘bunkum’. 


As Steve makes clear – ‘It was ever thus’.

No papers were distributed in advance of the NEC

G.L-W.: Obviously as that would require planning and also members are aware so I presume Steve is ‘no one on the NEC or in UKIP’s leadership and its parasites trust eachother’. 

so once again it was try to listen, read, understand and then make some useful input on the hoof.

G.L-W.: Why when no one cares nor listens and Farage and his little claque make all the decisions anyway. 

I personally am just not mentally nimble enough to do this. I am considering sending my apologies to the next NEC when no papers are circulated in advance since that will obviously mean nothing of any importance is on the agenda.

G.L-W.: Had you thought of actimng with integrity Steve and rsigning? That would at least not lend credibility to the corrupt scam; just as did Tony Scholfield, Nikki Sinclaire, Del Young, John Whittacker, Dr. Eric Edmonds, Richard Suchorzewski, Dr. David Abbott, Petrina Holdsworth, Linda Guest, Gill Chant, Roger Knapman, John de Rourke, Anthony Butcher, John Pratt, Gregg Beaman, Simon Muir, Peter Watson – all of whom and more are no longer willing to have their reputation befouled by association with elected office in UKIP. 

For a fuller list CLICK HERE


The main NEC was preceded by another Constitution Review Working Party. The draft of the constitution was at least circulated on the Friday so we had an opportunity to scan through it in advance. Unfortunately I didn’t really get the opportunity to do more than scan and so struggled to absorb and understand 18 pages of “notwithstanding” and “aforementioned clauses excepted” and other legal gobbledegook.

G.L-W.: Clearly as crass and amateur as previous constitutions. No doubt a back door way of introducing the scams that were rejected by the members when last UKIP leadership and his parasites tried to dupe the members!

The review meeting managed to get about half way through the third draft before it ran out of time.

G.L-W.: So like previous constitutions it will be amateur and shoddy leaving UKIP facing the Courts yet more with a collection of unwinnable cases based on an as usual incompetent constitution – How many £100,000s will it cost in stupidity this time?


There was some discussion over a clause that defined the NEC as the party’s Board of Directors and, after the Leader, the party’s principal authority. The “after the leader” was vigorously contested by several of the working party and the agreement reached was that the NEC had to have final authority on all admin and financial matters and The leader would participate in these discussions as an equal member of the NEC.

G.L-W.: So the yes men will be lined up to bootlick as ever. That is how come the NEC is composed of mainly dross now – Just who amongst them would YOU put on the board of YOUR Company? Many have convictions as far as I can see and have been found to have defrauded the public purse and been ordered to repay money fraudullently obtained – Who on earth would trust these liars and pond life?

The NEC was also keen to maintain final authority over the party manifesto, but accepted in principle that the leader was responsible for the political direction of the party.

G.L-W.: UKIP NEC has no say as has been shown time and time again with the lies, distortions and fabrications of Farage on TV as an example – it seems he is only outshone as a liar by Annabelle Fuller and Mick McGough!

This actually came up in the main NEC after lunch when the Welsh Assembly Elections were discussed. (More on this later).

G.L-W.: Just as an aside to show the utter unprofessionalism of UKIP – The Devolved EU Assemblyfor Wales is risibly known as The Welsh Assembly Government or The National Assembly for Wales. For details of The Welsh Assembly CLICK HERE


The main NEC kicked off with apologies for absence. Michael Zuckerman was not present but it was explained that he considered his term of office expired in March and as he was not seeking re-election, he would not be attending any more NEC Meetings.

G.L-W.: This is normally called a resignation but he is right he Burton, Denny & Coburn all expired as members of The NEC in March though they may well have been officially extended as Yes Men for lack of a new crop. 

Rachel Oxley was also absent but as the Chairman announced her resignation from the NEC it was not a surprise she was not at the meeting.

G.L-W.: Oxley’s resignation letter was published on this blog some time ago CLICK HERE

The NEC wished both Michael and Rachel the best for the future and expressed their thanks for their service to the party. Rachel’s resignation means that there will be six vacancies on the NEC for election in September, not five as stated in the Independence News. Nominations open for the NEC next week and close in August. The candidates will get an opportunity to speak at the Conference and the vote will be by postal ballot after that.

G.L-W.: Astonishingly for a group pretending to political aspirations there are barely enough legitimate elected NEC members to form a Quorum – thus yet again the Claque of co-optees and MEPs become Farage’s new dictatorship. 

Such incompetence is hardly inspirationsl when one considers the catastrophic results from the last National Election and the farcical posturing of the Mare of Ramsey and the Party afterwards having achieved nothing of note after 18 years at a cost of £Millions!


Minutes of the last meeting went through more or less on the nod. I missed the last meeting so I could not really comment.

Under matters arising, I gave a report on the Pan European Parties debate. The ballot papers have been printed and the fulfilment house is making up the packs this week. Ballots will be despatched to the members starting from Monday 18th July and votes need to be returned by 15th August.

The cost of preparing for the ballot has been £4,685.00 (based on an eligible voting membership of 15,519). The costs of actually receiving back and counting the returned ballots depends totally on the turn out. If we get one vote back then it will have cost £5,385.31 for that member to have his (or her) say. If we get 100% turn out then it will have cost £10,195.81 for the ballot. The actual amount will be somewhere between the two extremes!

Junius says: No wonder UKIP is in the red!

G.L-W.: What a dishonest debacle this most undeniably has been – a study in bad and incompetent leadership that has done yet more to split the party with liars and cheats like Stuart Agnew MEP, Mick McGough and the like fronting the scam for a PEPP backed up by the oleaginous Michael Greaves who would seem to be just another Tory failure of no merit but much p**s and wind – like so many before him in UKIP!


Steve Crowther pointed out that the result of the ballot would be binding on all MEPs. Either all would join a P-EP or none would join.

G.L-W.: Immediately and in a spirit of professionalism Gerard Batten pointed out that Steve Crowther didn’t have a clue what he was talking about as usual – perhaps Crowther would serve himself well were he to read up on the rules of The EU – however many such pretend agreements are put in place they haven’t a shred of authority as they are ultra virese. The EU states that elected MEPs can NOT be bound to a policy or to vote a certain way by a whip or a party.

UKIP’s unprofessionalism just makes them look endlessly stupid! 

Gerard Batten, attending the NEC as one of the MEP Representatives (the other this time was Paul Nuttall) pointed out he would not join a P-EP that did not have a commitment to withdrawal in its articles.

Junius says: And there was us thinking that Gerard would never join a PEP under ANY circumstances!

G.L-W.: Thus clearly whatever UKIP members vote at a cost of upto £10K+ UKIP MEPs will do what Nigel Farage tells them and please don’t expect either Gerard Batten or John Buffton to develope a backbone and stand on their own feet as it might harm their chances of re-election and representing these United Kingdoms or their constituents has absolutely no significance to them as they have made very clear.

Currently there is no P-EP that has such a commitment. It may be that in the event of a “YES” vote in the ballot then UKIP would need to set up its own P-EP in order to have such a commitment enshrined in the P-EP’s constitution.

G.L-W.: UKIP has shown no signs of setting up a leadership nor even a structure so do try to talk some sense Steve!


Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents’ associations and local independents using the “dual candidate” route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals).

If for example an organisation called “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say “Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate” or “Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate” It costs £250 to register a political party and I’ve suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an “Independent” or “Residents” Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!

G.L-W.: So Denny, UKIP NEC and others will be only too happy to exploit any EU Law for personal gain and as stated seek votes from people who would not wish to vote for UKIP by subterfuge!!

How proud UKIP must be that having been an unmittigated disaster in Domestic votes for 18 years with less than 30 elected individuals out of some 19,500 available elected offices they now stoop to forming other parties to dupe the public.

We note during an EU Election UKIP set out to defeat a rival by stealing their name – yet more dishonest are the two UKIP members Andrew Smith and Mick McGough who despite their position in UKIP where one of the slimes is on The NEC they are in total breech of UKIP’s own rules and have jointly registered a UKIP spoiler party!


Nigel gave his leaders report. As per usual, nothing had been circulated in advance. Basically, all’s well with the world and things are going great.

 Junius says: Ouch!
G.L-W.: Junius seems to overlook the intelligence and political nouse of the audience to whom he was delivering the report so any old schpiel from UKIP’s sales rep would do! 

The Patrons’ Club continues to expand and the dinner that night was oversubscribed.

G.L-W.: Not very convincing!


Chairman’s report covered the London Elections. Ten Candidates have declared for Mayor and an on-line “primary” is to be held. The names were not mentioned but I assume the London Committee are on top of this? Annual Conference in Eastbourne was mentioned. Nothing new really here apart from a suggestion that the EFD Group might use some of their budget to sponsor at least part of the conference. It was also pointed out that each individual MEP could use their allowances to have a stand at the conference show casing the work they do in their region.

G.L-W.: Are we to assume Gerard Batten will not attend as The EFD is not a withdrawalist group it is pro EU Membership, pro reform (undefined), Racist, anti Homosexual, anti Jewish and has openly advocated killing immigrants from North Africa without a murmur of censure form other members!

How proud UKIP must be to have such associates in the gutter they have chosen to frequent!


A good idea really and one that would legitimately put EU/MEP money into the conference. Interesting to see how many MEPs take up this suggestion?

G.L-W.: Rather more significant would be to see an MEP make ANY donation to the party other than to get themselves re-elected so as to buy a larger pension for themselves.


A new recruitment brochure was flashed in front of the NEC. This has been sent to the Regional Organisers for comment. It was not passed round to the NEC.

G.L-W.: Clearly the NEC may think they are important but The MEPs and leadership claque do not!


Legal matters was its usual depressing report. Least said about it the better

Junius says: UKIP face ANOTHER day in court this week. Their costs could be in excess of £30,000. More on this later.

G.L-W.: UKIP have a startling record and list of guilty verdicts over the years – have they one where they were NOT found guilty?


Finance showed we were in the red but not badly so. The cash flow looked worse than it was because all the costs for the conference were known but ticket sales had not yet started so that was making the situation look worse than it really was. The Deputy Treasure explained in his report that this was because the outgoings on the conference were definite items of expenditure we would be making but ticket sales were only a possible income we might be getting. So, prudence said we had to assume we wouldn’t sell any tickets until the money actually started to come in.

G.L-W.: The treasurer being Stuart Wheeler who has already stated he is not interested in the dishonesty of the accounts and his deputy Hugh Williams having a proven track record of dishonesty and cheating members I guess this report is about as trustworthy as they used to be when that liar and charlatan Andrew Smith pretended to keep the books!


Jonathan Arnott has taken over the management of the introduction of the new membership database. He has only been doing this for a couple of weeks so is still getting to grips with the brief. I would have liked some form of written report and hopefully this will eventually be forthcoming. However, I’m not holding my breath!

Junius says: Don’t hold your breath. Jonathon ‘frightened rabbit’ Arnott is about as much use as a chocolate fireplace. If he had just one brain cell, he’d be dangerous.

G.L-W.: Perhaps Junius is a little harsh on the lad as he did get a degree in sums and even taught maths in a little private school for a while. I understand he obtained a Masters qualification in the consumption of pies – as skill in whichh I gather his fellow members in Sheffield excel

John Bufton and David Bevan then addressed the NEC. The discussion was a little side tracked by a discussion on whether Wales had a regional organiser and if a dedicated campaign office was essential, (my view on that one is NO it isn’t. UKIP spent £50,000 on a “Campaign Office” for the 2009 European Parliament Elections and any value for money analysis would, in my opinion, have concluded it was not money well spent.).

The Welsh discussion then further meandered off the point into a quite interesting exchange of views on UKIP’s position on an English Parliament. Ultimately, the Welsh Question could not be totally lost and the answer was that policy was indeed changed at the last minute and without reference to the Welsh Committee or indeed to the NEC.

The long-standing policy of abolish the Welsh Assembly was changed to one that, in my opinion, fudged the issue to adopt a more populist line which produced a basically reformist position rather than the clear cut abolish. This was justified on the grounds that a majority of those people who bothered to vote supported more powers for the assembly at the referendum which was held just a few days before the elections. UKIP therefore had no choice but to drop the abolish the assembly policy!

Junius says: More twisted Farage logic. So as the Welsh voted for more devolution in the March referendum it would be undemocratic for UKIP to abolish the assembly? So what about the 1975 referendum? British people voted to stay in the EEC. Shouldn’t UKIP then support continued EU membership using the result of that referendum as the basis for their argument?

G.L-W.: UKIP is little more than a rather bad joke in Wales – this is not the first catastrophic intervention by Farage as many will remember the stumble bum drunk in the frock he introduced at the last minute in a previous election:

Previous to that he foist the self serving and untrustworthy Jim Carver on UKIP Wales to sell his umbrellas and latterly with the duplicitous David Lott to seek to corrupt an election based upon lies and corruption.


This decision was taken by Nigel. As the UKIP Party Constitution currently stands he was totally within his rights and exercising powers he holds under the constitution. Indeed the Party Leader can adopt, amend or drop any policy he likes without any reference to anyone. He can consult IF he wishes to but is not obliged to take any notice of any advice he may receive. (This was the same reason UKIP supported AV. Nigel decided it was the way to go so that was UKIP’s policy!)

G.L-W.: So UKIP may wish to be democratically elected and resent the lack of democracy in the EU but do not even accept the first principles of democracy within their own organisation and for all the fuss show there is absolutely no point in having a Constitution as being a dictatorship every item can be set aside by Farage with out consultation and hinderance!

This was noted by one long term supporter of UKIP and sent to me witjh the lament that ‘IF you exchanged Farage for Chavez it was sadly almost exactly accurate of UKIP:

…thus exposing a major weakness of Chavez’s government which is that the leader has no heir. That is partly by design, of course. Chavez has put loyalty to himself before loyalty to the state, squashed any rival to his power (even top lieutenants keep low profiles) and surrounded himself with talentless cronies. Approval ratings of leading members of his party languish in the low 30s. Thus Chavism as a political movement has a limited future.

Sadly how very true!


The Welsh Committee may indeed feel they had their legs chopped from under them and may feel that UKIP should be seeking to abolish the assembly rather than just reform it. Being a reform party does bring UKIP into line with every other party in Wales so are they all wrong?

However, the bottom line is that UKIP Policy is set by Nigel. He decided a more populist reform policy was preferable to an uncompromising abolitionist policy. That is the prerogative of the UKIP Party Leader and there is nothing UKIP Wales can do about it.

G.L-W.: So the membership and the donors can go and get stuffed as long as they keep Farage in the manner he has come to expect at the expense of UKIP and in betrayal of these United Kingdoms – where as shown in this example alone he clearly states his disinterest in principles and integrity, leadership or morality, ethics or democracy – ANY expediency will do to get hiself elected!

Of course, if chasing populist votes is the name of the game then every other party in Wales supports the EU. So maybe UKIP Wales needs to change from withdrawal from the EU to reform the EU?

Junius says: Confirmation that UKIP is a dictatorship under one man.

G.L-W.:But UKIP does support The EU and is even campaigning to help undermine Patriotic domestic politics – hardly surprising in view of their risible results in domestic elections – their only hope is in doing well for themselves in The EU, whatever principles they may prostitute to do so!


There was some discussion on the MEPs code of conduct and the nine points it covered. Nothing really new was said. Basically the argument has now become circular and old ground is being re-hashed. The Code of Conduct signed by UKIP’s MEP Candidates is too weak and not enforceable. Stable doors and bolted horses come to mind. The lesson for next time needs to be learned and the document needs to clearly spell out what is expected.

G.L-W.:  As already stated this is utter cobblers!


The concept of “friends” groups was also discussed, as there is a request to recognise Hindu Friends of UKIP Group. As we have already recognised a UKIP Friends of Israel group, it makes it almost impossible to object to anyone who wants to attach the UKIP name to their own particular cause.

G.L-W.:  Especially as Friends of Israel are utterly corrupt and based upon unsound ethics being in fact Friends of Zionism one of the great evils on this planet with which no political party should EVER be associated. How does UKIP justify the massacres by the Zionist Terrorists of the IDF?

How does UKIP justify the fascist style slaughter of Palestinians in their own homes? 


How does UKIP justify the creation of a ghetto surrounded by concrete walls and razor wire and attacked by helicopter gunships and turned to rubble with tanks by zionist filth?


Hated by The Jewish peoples world wide:

Personally I would not officially recognise any “friends” groups as I consider them divisive and completely against UKIP’s supposed policy of not pandering to special interest groups. As it turn out the UKIP Friends of Israel have nearly a full page in the next issue of Independence News. Another dangerous precedent in my opinion. However, what do I know?

G.L-W.:  I totally agree with Steve on this point – That UKIP are friends with such vile people and with the revolting racists, anti homosexual and anti Jewish supporters of membership of The EU speaks volumes of the ethics of UKIP in a manner no amount of denial will expunge!


David Coburn made a brief presentation on why we should hold the 2012 spring conference in Gibraltar but as Steve Crowther informed the NEC that it was going to be in Skegness this made the whole discussion a bit pointless.

G.L-W.: What keeps David Coburn’s ears apart as clearly it isn’t common sense – nor is it likely this would be approved as the party dictator and Steve’s resume shows Farage is Dictator of UKIP, he would not be able to attend. Perhaps this clown Coburn should learn a little of the party and try to understand the EU before making a fool of himself.

Unsurprisingly Farage has left when Coburn was wasting everyone’s time!


We were now running out of time. Nigel had already left to get ready for the Patrons’ Club pre-dinner drinks at 6.00pm and of course the important people on the NEC also needed to be getting over there promptly.

G.L-W.: Steve has made it abundantly clear there is no one of importance on the NEC, those of any merit are long gone and even the lees of the leadership claque are no more than a joke in bad taste!


As usual, there was a lot of talk but very few or more accurately no real meaningful decisions taken. There is no NEC Meeting in August but I’m sure the Party will somehow manage to survive without our guiding hand. After all, if you look on page 18 of your Independence News you will see a comprehensive listing of “Who’s Who in UKIP” and the NEC is conspicuous by its absence!

Junius says: Why are you so surprised? Fuhrer Farage makes all the decisions! We did warn you!  

G.L-W.: Perhaps Steve would care to go back through the records of UKIP and establish when if ever The NEC had ANY relevance, any respect or any meaningful input. UKIP NEC are the posturing castrati of the UKIP choir singing for their master and droppings from his trough!                     


As usual there were many things said that I have not covered but these are my high point recollections. There will be an official report by the Party Chairman posted on the Members forum in due course.

Junius says: Why are you so surprised? Fuhrer Farage makes all the decisions! We did warn you!

G.L-W.:Hardly worth the effort with a mere handfull of members posting there and only to be noticed as they seek praise and position on the members’ heavily censored Forum.

It is hardly worth reading, in fact I rarely do these days as it is so boring and not a political brain cell in sight!

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As increasingly UKIP leaders and their parasites fall out and squabble like ferrests in a sack to keep their positions and access to self importance and their snouts in the troughs – you will note the calliber of the NEC has all but collapsed.

Even the dross is drifting off disgruntled with Rachel Oxley who was as much use as a soup sandwich, seemingly unwilling to carry on as just as she had no past achievements she realised there were none likely in the future.

Michael Zukerman has also drifted away no doubt in the realisation that he could not expect to make more money out of UKIP – you will note virtually every case UKIP has entered since he as a Solicitor joined has led to a Guilty verdict against UKIP. Such a track record can not have helped the record of Bent & Manure!

We still see the liar Derek Clark posing & posdturing, when he can hear what is going on, I wonder when he will have the integrity to admit he is a liar and appologise for his basic dishonesty – he may even care to tell members just howmuch he was ordered to repay to The EU when found guilty of stealing public money by OLAF – a difficult item to report on as he is still waiting for details of the action his local constabulary will be taking against him

We note that having read the OLAF Report available under FoI that removed any pretence of inaccuracy in the Sunday Times article that he may have tried to promote Mike Nattrass has decided to withdraw his threats of prosecution against The Sunday Times.

As I recal The Sunday Times offered to publish the updated info but Nattrass didn’t want that he demanded an apology and was claiming they had prevented him from being UKIP leader (some will remember when the summer holidays ended Mike decided to have an extended holiday in The Phillipines and wasn’t even around until the later part of the leadership election.

Dellusionaly that did not stop him claiming ‘it was The ST wot dun it‘ or he would have won so he demanded a full apology.

Well he did til he realised just how close he had come to being found guilty and like Graham Booth being forced to repay money as also with Farage, West, Titford and Clark.

The threats and bluster have collapsed like a pricked balloon and I expect Nattrass will hope for the update to get the egg off his face.

One has to wonder if Stuart Agnew and David Bannerman will get off as lightly, in view of their confessions and fraud..
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Added from UKIP Members’ Forum as posted by Douglas Denny:

Quote Originally Posted by “Douglas Denny
I agree with the Wales committee.

I do not see any reason why UKIP should follow populist “fashions” in politics just because other parties take a populist stance about regional devolution and regional assemblies. Just because they follow the populist argument that that is what the public seem to want does NOT necessarily make it right for the country in the context of British independence or long-term stability. It does not do these things; it is pure short-term, short-sighted politics.

The public have not been properly informed for forty years what the EU is all about, nor do they know much about the real issues involved in regional government or Regional Assemblies as they have been (deliberately) kept largely in the dark about it. They know so little about the EU itself – why do people seem to think they know much about the implications of Regional government and Assemblies?

The public are wrong to accept regional assemblies and devolved government because it breaks up the existing system of local government and promotes the EU’s ideology of regional government. On that basis UKIP should oppose it – and UKIP would be RIGHT in doing so.

In fact regional devolution goes against the primary rationale of UKIP in my opinion – to oppose all EU inspired constructs which interfere with the existing political structure of Great Britain, and especially if such interference assists in the breakup of the United Kingdom. UKIP should be conserving the constitution of the UK, not helping to break it up.

The implied opposition to the EU, and support for a United Kingdom is incorporated into our very name: The United Kingdom Independence Party.
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It is now Nigel Farage’s policy – and therefore UKIP’s because the Leader has ultimate authority to make or change policy without reference to anyone – to accept a “Federal United Kingdom”. … a system of separate federal governmental ‘states’ within Britain. (All coming under the overall jurisdiction of the EU of course !)

I publicly state now I profoundly disagree with this stance.

I have to go along with it if the Leader says that is what it is because I have no choice – but I still disagree with it.

This case is an excellent example of where UKIP, after the Roger Knapman inspired change in UKP’s constitution, (to have only the Leader determining policy without reference to the NEC or anyone else) is now in a profoundly precarious situation with a particular policy, having one person only determining that policy – and that person can do so and change it on the hoof. It should be perfectly obvious it is highly dangerous, and this is an example of it.
It is a recipe for division within the party – as well as being as a policy – de facto – divisive for the country. The pan-European parties issue is another example of potentially highly divisive policy within the party, but at least in this case the membership get to make the final decision.

Having as official policy the support of devolved regional governments is a highly dangerous and worrying course for UKIP to take in my opinon.

Regional government and assemblies is a direct EU construct.
A “Federal Britain” of regional governments is an excellent way of encouraging squabbling between them. They then become ripe for takeover if they wish to devolve further by direct control from Brussels in the future. Divide and rule (i.e. and therefore conquer) is as true and effective a strategy now as it always has been in history.

Supporting devolution and regional assemblies as official policy does not enhance our profile in the country as the known and respected opposition party to the EU.
As a policy it will not win votes.
It assists the EU in its agenda.
It goes directly against UKIP’s principles in my opinon.
For the population size of this country we do not need devolved regional governments for good, effective, efficient government.

We have had a perfectly good system of democratically elected representatives meeting in a single parliament, and a regional system of local government as county and District councils. It worked perfectly well for hundreds of years – it could do so again – but only if, and when, we can get rid of the dead hand of the EU around the throat of the Westminster parliament which is presently throttling it.

Like everything the EU does: devolved government and regional assemblies are a chimera, a lie, a sop to the worst instincts of the public to pretend they have better democracy, and it bamboozles them into thinking they get better government whereas in reality they DO NOT.
The public fall for it every time as they are just stupid.

The EU is still making those 80% of all rules, regulations, laws and directives just the same – and there is nothing the regional devolved “governments” can do about it. “Devolved government” and Mickey-Mouse Regional Assemblies are just a sham of democracy. UKIP should – and rightly so – oppose them.

Douglas Denny.

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#0578* – Mick McGOUGH Drags UKIP Name In The gutter AGAIN

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#0578* – Mick McGOUGH Drags UKIP Name In The gutter AGAIN

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It is noted that he lived down to prediction making yet further of a fool of himself and as a UKIP NEC member further demeaning UKIP!

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minded that Mick McGough is one of the leadership parasites of UKIP who have so seriously damaged UKIP and its credibility with their self serving greed, lies, bullying and general dishonesty – You will of course be aware that this cheat and liar is a member of UKIP’s risible and rigged NEC!

For a measure of the odious Mick McGough one need only note the grubby little avatar he has childishly chosen for himself as it is perceived to be a colleague on The NEC of UKIP, Lisa Duffy The Mare of Ramsay Town Council!

Indeed it may well be as she seems to have a predeliction for lateral stripes

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John aka Lesley, is I believe , closely aligned to the Tim.Nemesis,Junius and GLW anti UKIP AXIS.Ex UKIP,ex ukfirst,the part time librarian seemed set on a voluntary career in local community radio.Perhaps he is moving to greater things.

The extent that the odious old man is willing to deceive members and others let us have a look at his squalid little comment here as posted on a public forum:

John aka Lesley,

Indeed John West’s name in full is John Lesley West and not aka Lesley. No more than Mick McGough‘s name is aka Jackoff just because his birth certificate shows him to have a middle name!

is I believe ,

Well we all know what Mick McGough claims to ‘believe’ and the truth are frequently incompatible – recently he was odrered to correct the lies he had put on You Tube in a leadership inspired attempt to mislead members. Not the first time he has lied and set out to deceive members!

closely aligned to the Tim.Nemesis,Junius

Please be advised John West IS NOT closely aligned to any of these 3.

and GLW

Yes I quite frequently speak with John West and was well aware of the lies about him spread by UKIP leadership and their parasites, Mick McGough included.

anti UKIP AXIS.

Please show any single example where I have displayed an anti UKIP stance on any single solitary item – also be so good as to show where like Mick McGough I have EVER lied on any matter of any sort with any intent or to deceive UNLICKE Mick McGough.

Please show where I have EVER formed an ‘axis’ with anyone on any issue – It can be shown that I have NEVER colluded with anyone in any manner that could be described as ‘anti UKIP’ nor have I ever been materially paid for my efforts in opposition to membership of The EU which are well documented over many years.

Ex UKIP,

I am NOT a member of UKIP nor have I ever been – more in the tissue of lies Mick McGough and other parasites in UKIP seek to promote.

ex ukfirst,

I am NOT a member of UKFirst nor have I ever been – yet more in the tissue of lies Mick McGough and other parasites in UKIP seek to promote. 

the part time librarian

I understand that for a brief period John West was, since he is a qualified librarian and an author of several books on diverse subjects, he held a position as a librarian and due to mismanagement of the economy by bean counters during the cut backs was working part time as a librarian until about a year ago.

Mocking qualified individuals who have struggled to maintain full time occupation does so demean a political aspirant and UKIP NEC member.

seemed set on a voluntary career in local community radio.

I believe you are wrong on this point too – You will note he has resigned his job having learned that which he needed but continues to run a rather harder slicker music slot later in the day for the time being.

Perhaps he is moving to greater things.

I understand the TV work he is doing is proving both interesting and pays and having been head hunted from ICR he now has several salaried options.

Well done and good luck to John Lesley West who finding his qualifications unable to sustain employment has sought out and gained further qualifications to broaden the scope for employment. Would that the parasites in UKIP would do likewise so that the sordid morass could be cleaned up and made fit for purpose with competent leadership and the removal of liars and cheats like Mick McGough who so determinedly seek to deceive the members for their own gain.

I suggest no one waits for this vile excrecence to apologise for his serial dishonesty and corruption as he is morally of the disposition he will try to pass off his lies and dishonesty which so demeans UKIP as ‘humour’ – he truelly is that stupid and that ignorant – so very much in keeping with a number of the low lifes and nere do wells in UKIP’s failed leadership and amongst its parasites and sycophants.

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Hi,

as predicted this is the response of the childish and self serving Mick McGough and to note he is responding as a UKIP NEC Member and one of the parasites in UKIP’s leadership team it is imposible to claim such a childish response does anything but yet again harm UKIP posted on a public UKIP controlled Forum!

Genuine UKIP supporters like myself cringe at such crass behaviour contributing NOTHING but a childish self importance from this proven and undisputed liar and cheat:

This thread seems,as was intended, to have upset poor old Greg Afeectation-Whatshefor.In yet another of his bipolar rants he maintains that his anti-UKIP axis doesn’t exist and is concerned about my avatar.Perhaps the Dagenham cleavage (builder’s bum) reminds him of home.Strange isn’t it that someone who claims to be Oxbridge educated should have such appalling spelling and an inability to spellcheck.

Anyway the deep pocketed net is closing in on him and those he’s groomed.

To watch this idiotic little inadequate making a fool of himself and demeaning UKIP CLICK HERE and follow the thread.

I note he was unable to refute a single one of his lies and fantasies that so show the calliber of this failed bean counter – a sad spectacle but clearly damaging to UKIP and its many honest supporters.

Consider the fool – Firstly he is a UKIP NEC member and however he presents himself is how UKIP’s NEC is portrayed.

Why would his tasteless avatar remind me of anything? Other than the tasteless and childish behaviour of a UKIP NEC member who is a proven liar currently seeking to dupe the party with spin and dishonesty about PEPPs – as proven.

Never have I claimed to be Oxbridge educated beyond having been first a dayboy and then from about 7.1/2 a boarder at Kings Cambridge prior to going to Clifton and after school into The Army and then Sandhurst. Yep my spelling is apaulling as is my typing – so what? If the foolish little man thinks I waste time re-reading what I have written he is woefully mistaken.

May I the silly little man, with regard to spelling, it is not very bright to make petty criticisms and then yourself make spelling mistakes!

The foolish little liar shows his level of debate as a UKIP NEC member in other threads mocking the return of my cancer which I have had on a more or less continuous basis for about 13 years and now leaping to medical invention of ‘bipolar disorder’ – should UKIP be represented by this liar in this manner, accurately as it represents the bullying abuse and foul languaged belligerence of many a UKIP NEC meeting in the past.

You will notice that not a single solitary FACT of consequence that I have led regarding UKIP as a supporter of its core stated principle of Leave-The-EU has EVER been shown to be untrue – Not a single solitary comment or opinion I have EVER made in seeking to clean-up UKIP to try to make it fit for purpose as a party informed individuals could ethically vote for has EVER been shown to be deliberately misleading or wrong.

Is it any wonder UKIP has made so little progress in domestic politics in 18 years with the caliber of representation such as Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, David Bannerman MEP, Peter Reeve, Derek Clark MEP, Annabelle Fuller, Marta Andreasen MEP, Mark Croucher,Stuart Agnew MEP, Gawain Towler, Hugh Williams etc. all self serving proven liars and cheats?

Little wonder UKIP Leadership has put in place not a single reliable backer of stature and incredibly no financial team and now their latest ‘mark’ would seem to be having one of his well rehearsed ‘Crisis of Confidence’.

It is noted he insisted on being Treasurer to protect his personal interests yet reneged on the duty of treasurer to present morally valid accounts stating ‘he is not interested in any corruption of the accounts prior to his term nor in anything other than the details produced in the accounts he presents’ he then surrenders the book keeping to another liar and cheat Hugh Williams!!

The behaviour of UKIP’s leadership would make an excellent plot for a true story by Michael Dobbs! UKIP is not without its Francis Urquart wannabees nor those who seemingly venerate Thomas Goodfellowe MP for sleaze!
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#0454* – Mike NATTRASS Explains PETITION to Ian PROCTOR

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#0454* – Mike NATTRASS Explains PETITION to Ian PROCTOR
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Mike NATTRASS MEP Explains The PETITION to Ian PROCTOR and TRIES to explain how politics to Ian and other idiots who have lost the plot!!

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I have just posted the following to some lad by the name of Graham Gillis who it seems knows little of UKIP, past or present, and seemingly also has little grasp of ethics, probity, morality or duty compounding his confussion as to how politics works!

In response to another fool who felt boot licking to Farage was a substitute for politics Mike Nattrass gave a fairly coherent retort – let us home the kids in UKIP have the intelligence to understand the posting:

To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
CC: nikki@ukip.org; trevorcolman@btconnect.com; mcwilliam.steph@gmail.com; jeff.mager@btinternet.com
Subject: Petition
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011

Mike,

I have seen your idea of an advert for yet another petion.

Don’t you know that The Express delivered 1/3 million petitions to Downing Street recently, and were politely told to take them elsewhere?

Please would you spend your money on supporting the activists who actually got you elected.

Ian Proctor


From: mike nattrass
Sent: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:11
Subject: Petition

Ian,

This is a petition which was initiated last September by Nikki Sinclaire and has 60,000 plus signatures due to West Midlands UKIP member’s hard work in Market Places etc.

It went into the Daily Mail on Saturday (next to Royal Wedding photos!) and is already getting a great response.

The Express came to Nikki last year to see how is was being done and took the concept into their paper, with a great result. We have no problem with that as it increases awareness to Express readers, but what about the other readers?


The matter needs to be exposed nationwide and not just the in the Express.

This is all about a promise from the Government that petitions of over 100,000 would be considered in the Commons.

As you are well aware EU money cannot be spent directly on the Party so this is legally spent in an approved manner on our major objective, because it is “information.”

Please explain how this does not help the activists, when this is our objective for which we have worked for more than 15 years? Also how you would expect the MEP’s EU budget money to be legally spent? All suggestions very very welcome!

As for helping activists I do anyway, but not via my EU budget as that is illegal.

Sadly we could not use our UKIP Logo in the advert because Nikki (one of the three MEPs involved) is currently banned by the NEC from using the UKIP logo!

I hope this explains our thinking.

Mike 

Seems fairly straight forward to me – do not forget that Nigel’s utter incompetence as a leader with the imbecilic Godfrey Bloom led to a guilty verdict against them and UKIP for their public abuse and lies relative to Nikki Sinclaire.

Even yet Nigel’s errand boy is trying to cobble together a deal to keep him out of the High Court and substantial damages.
Unfortunately Farage’s utter lack of leadership skill has put him deep in the hole and digging furiously.
You will note from stupidity Farage IF he is Leader has recently opted to spend about £30K maybe substantially more of members money having wittingly recruited a BNP member yet unlawfully removing him and refusing to meet the paltry damages of £500!

Do TRY to wake up!

I would suggest foul language, lack of knowledge and ill mannered abuse serve UKIP ill when you try to defend them.

Regards,
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For more details on The Petition for an In/Out EUReferendum & The pledge for a Referendum of Tony Blackwell’s run by James Proy & Bridget Rowe – which Jon Gaunt is fronting:
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The position of the advert couldn’t have been better on a page of wedding pictures on the lower right THE Best inside position:

Which shows the text up to best advantage with masses of space:

Well done to Mike Nattrass, Trevor Colman & Nikki Sinclaire who are doing exactly what UKIP members elected them to do – NO ONE with a brain In UKIP (I presume someone has one) ever voted for a UKIP politician to join Nigel Farage’s personal money spinner The EFD Group with its pro EU membership stance, non accountability of The 400 budget of £76,000 per MEP, nor are UKIP voters supporters of Racism, anti Judaism, violent anti homosexuality that The EU is funding its own progress by paying bribes to MEPs and Snivil Cervants alike is a travesty of Democracy.
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#0428* – Rip Van Winkel Has Finally Found His Manhood on UKIP NEC

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#0428* – Rip Van Winkel Has Finally Found His Manhood on UKIP NEC!  
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Rip Van Winkel Has Finally Found His Manhood on UKIP NEC!

DD has finally woken up after all these years and realised just how he has been used and abused by ‘I’, ‘I’, ‘I’!

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it does rather look as if Douglas Denny has at last woken up and realised just how much of a puppet he has been used as and how he has consistently been duped.

This may well explain his lies and fantasies about me and others  – it is just possible that he actually believed the garbage he was being fed and then regurgitating.

As has been my style for many years I shall not publish his challenge nor ‘I’, ‘I’, ‘I’s response nor the rejoinder until I have received a copy from a second source.

However suffice to say this COULD be the step towards cleaning up UKIP to start to maker it an acceptable vote for informed, decent moral individuals – not just the children in politics, the uninformed and the dreamers not to mention the many maggots that have gathered to feed on the crumbs that fall from the the troughs of the self serving leadership.

I wish those seeking the truth and a full accounting of the £Millions that have gone missing unaccounted, the fraud and the self enrichment – little wonder that Mike Nattrass and Trevor Colman followed the lead of Nikki Sinclaire and there are clear signs that others will leave the EFD Group after the Local Elections.

Little wonder that Marta Andreasen has demanded control of her own 400 Budget and may well defect to the EPP and the center right of Spanish politics.

Little wonder that duplicitous and dishonest David Bannerman is seeking a new home having failed to gain acceptance with the Tories in the Eastern Region he is now trying to jump ship for the Tories in the South West where it is likely that he may be able to do a deal taking William Dartmouth with him.

There is a possibility of a very much better future if DD’s efforts to clean up UKIP succeed as do not forget not only does he know where many of the bodies are buried but in many instances he was duped into wielding the shovel!

Let us hope others give DD the support he will need.
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#0414* – UKIP MAY FIND ITSELF DISADVANTAGED by PEPPs

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#0414* – UKIP MAY FIND ITSELF DISADVANTAGED by PEPPs
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UKIP MAY FIND ITSELF DISADVANTAGED by PEPPs!
 

Yet Glibly TRIES To Sell This EU Scam seemingly designed to assist pro EU Pan EU Political Parties to steam roll opposition in any National Referendums!

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Hi,

It is glibly claimed by some of the less intelligent UKIP NEC & Leadership, particularly their more sycophantic and self serving parasites, without any apparent sourcing or reference in support of their claims.

Surely after some 60 years of EU scams and shennanigens they would reasonably expect to engage their brains before putting their mouths in gear and potentially making fools of themselves yet again – they claim that:

‘money granted through participation in Pan EU Political Parties can be used to fight a referendum in the UK (IF WE GET ONE)’

To view this unfounded claim CLICK HERE for UKIP NEC members to sneer and abuse supporters and thus drag the party into their gutter style of sneering behaviour is damaging UKIP as has been UKIP’s manner with the level of idiot they habitually have in their leadership.
Clearly lacking any vestige of intellect or political nouse it would seem UKIP’s only ability is to cover-up their ineptitude with ill manners and lies, such that it is almost impossible and definitely unwise, to believe a word they say, having so consistently been proven either dishonest or just plain wrong!

Barbara Booker takes a more intelligent and reasoned look at this funding endorsing points made in earlier sections on this Blog.!

Has anyone bothered to check if this is true? (the comment by Mick McGough quoted above!)

It’s been generally accepted by not only UKIP spokespeople and EUobserver, but also the Daily Mail and Express, that a rule change now allows Europarties to use their funding to campaign in a referendum on UK membership, even though there appears to be no evidence for this other than Nigel Farage’s word.

As Farage is very keen indeed for members to agree to letting him take UKIP into a Europarty, it would be wise to verify his claims by getting the facts direct from the EP’s Constitutional Affairs Committee (AFCO) and the British Electoral Commission.

The trouble is, we are all very ready to believe claims about the ‘evil’ EU that play to our own prejudices. If those claims are based only on personal interpretation of possibly ambiguous statements translated from another language, it’s very easy to be mistaken. Nigel Farage has made one interpretation of the debate at a recent AFCO meeting; I have made another. As the implications for UKIP’s decision on joining a Europarty are so serious, I urge someone (Trevor Colman? Tim Congdon?) to establish the truth.

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At the AFCO meeting on 14 March rapporteur Marietta Giannakou presented her draft report reviewing the regulations governing Europarties and recommending some changes, including one that would allow these parties to use their funds in referendum campaigns on directly linked EU issues. Current funding rules forbid Europarty participation in any referendum campaigns at all. 

The draft report is at http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdo…5/840655en.pdf and the only references to referendums are at points 16 and 30, and in the third paragraph from the end of section II of the explanatory statement. The contentious wording is at point 30 where, having noted that Europarties can already use their funds to campaign in EP elections, it says:

“they are prohibited from using these sums for financing ‘referenda campaigns’; considers that the reason for this is probably a concern that European parties and foundations could interfere in the domestic affairs of Member States; believes, however that, if European political parties are to play a political role at EU level, they should have the right to participate in such campaigns as long as the subject of the referendum has a direct link with issues concerning the European Union

Amendment 95, put down by Andrew Duff, removed from the draft report the words: “considers that the reason for this is probably a concern that European parties and foundations could interfere in the domestic affairs of Member States”.

Nigel Farage interprets this as allowing Europarties to spend their funding on a national referendum in the UK, a view that was expanded on by Gawain Towler in his blog England Expects on 15 March, reported by EUobserver on 17 March as posted at CLICK HERE, and by the Daily Mail on 19 March (Now MEPs can use UK taxpayers’ cash for propaganda to keep Britain in the EU) and Express on 21 March (Plot to ‘rig’ your EU vote). The similarity between the Mail and Express articles, using several near identical phrases, suggests that both articles may have sprung from the same press release; Stuart Agnew told the Mail that his group in the EP would use its funding to campaign for withdrawal, because “Why should taxpayers’ money just go to fund the “Yes” side?”; now Mick McGough says “this money can be used to fight a referendum in the UK”.

How true is all this? Well, Nigel Farage didn’t even wait for AFCO to vote on the report before rushing out his version and using it to give UKIP a shove towards joining a Europarty. At 6:03am on 15 March he was tweeting away:
“Decision by EP to allow pan euro parties to get involved in national referendums means UKIP must join or money will go to pro EU side”,
followed at 07:13 on Facebook by:
“MEPs in Committee have approved decisions to allow pan european political parties to become involved in national referendums on EU issues. This means that unless UKIP join one the money which we could spend getting our message across will be given to the other side”
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The first untruth is that the “EP” or “MEPs in Committee” had taken a decision. They hadn’t. AFCO had debated the report the day before, but didn’t vote on it until the 10am session on 15 March, some four hours after Farage’s twitter and Facebook posts. The rest of the EP didn’t get to vote on it until the plenary session on 6 April. Even now, there has been no rule change, because the resolution adopted on 6 April was non-legislative. The report is only a request to the Commission to propose a draft statute, which will then have to go all through the EP procedures again for consideration and amendment before becoming law. In the meantime, Europarties are still prohibited from involvement in referendums.

The second untruth is that the report calls for Europarties to become involved in “national” referendums. It doesn’t. It doesn’t even mention national referendums. It talks about Europarties’ role “at EU level”, so it would seem logical and not unreasonable that pan-EU parties would want to become involved in pan-EU referendums. Giannakou herself, when interviewed recently said: “EU parties would be allowed to take part only in those referenda campaigns directly connected to European issues, for example on a change of treaty”.

We also know from Sharon Ellul Bonici’s e-mail last October CLICK HERE that the European Alliance for Freedom (the Europarty UKIP would be joining) is planning to call for a referendum under the new Citizens’ Initiative: “one of the first campains we can engage ourselves in is to generate 1 million signatures to be able to instigate a pan wide European referendum on Turkey. The idea is to use the million signature clause according to the Lisbon Treaty”.

As the law stands at present, they could use their funds to petition for a referendum, but not to campaign in the referendum itself. It’s hardly surprising that MEPs want this situation changed.

Viewed like this, that the report has nothing to do with purely national referendums and only seeks involvement in pan-European ones, Duff’s amendment 95 would have been aimed simply at removing unwarranted fears over EU intervention rather than, as Gawain Towler suggests, brushing aside EU recognition that it shouldn’t interfere in domestic affairs.

A third untruth, at least under current British electoral law, is that Europarty funds can be used in a UK referendum campaign. Gawain Towler touches on this: “money donated to the Lib Dem Euro political party, by someone living in France, could be used to fund a pro-European referendum campaign in the UK by washing it through the European Political Party. In direct contravension of British electoral law, but so be it”.

He is right, of course, but the same would apply if the donor living in another EU country had given money to UKIP’s Europarty. Before UKIP members get pushed too far down the Europarty road, advice should be sought from the Electoral Commission on the implications of a possible change in EU law. Europarties, which by their nature accept donations from non UK residents, would presumably have to register as political parties here in order to become permitted participants in UK referendums. What would be ElCom’s view on this?

Finally, even if such electoral hurdles were cleared it is by no means certain that Farage, Agnew, McGough, etc. are right in saying that UKIP could use Europarty money to fight for withdrawal in a UK referendum.

It cannot be emphasized too strongly that no EU funds would be available to UKIP itself. The money would go to the Europarty, to campaign in the referendum (if that was allowed) on whatever stance the Europarty took on EU withdrawal. Since other Europarty members are in favour of EU membership, and since they would be aware that winning a UK referendum would mean the loss of UKIP from the EP, quite possibly resulting in their Europarty’s collapse, how can we be so sure they wouldn’t want to campaign for the ‘stay in’ side?

Turkeys voting for their own demise at Christmas is one thing. Agreeing to fund the slaughterhouse is something else!

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#0396* – UKIP’s LIARS Skeptyk BEHAVING AS UKIP DOES BEST!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/04/2011

#0396* – UKIP’s LIARS Skeptyk BEHAVING AS UKIP DOES BEST!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
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UKIP’s LIARS Skeptyk BEHAVING AS UKIP DOES BEST!
When Skeptyk are unavalable there is no shortage of dishonest and corrupt supporters of UKIP on their NEC like Douglas Denny, Mick McGough and their ilk all too willing to lie and defame to curry favour!

Then there is a small army of liars, cheats, abusers all too willing to drag UKIP’s reputation in the gutter where they clearly belong such as Skeptyk, John Ison in various guises as with Mark Croucher, Annabelle Fuller in other guises and by her behaviour, Independent UKIP and many more – seeking to keep their status through dishonesty.

Too cowardly to put their names to their lies!

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DefaultQuote Originally Posted by skeptyk View Post

It has been suggested that Mr Gillman has complained about UKIP and/or Derek Clark to OLAF. If that is the case – perhaps Mr Gillman can confirm?? – it would suggest that he is very much aware of how to complain to the regulatory authorities. And if so, he would be kind enough to advise us of the progress of his complaints.

As for Collier? Don’t make me laugh Henry. When it comes to following up his allegations of wrong-doing with the relevant authorities, he is, shall we say, all fur coat and no knickers.

So very typical of the offensive style of dishonest posting many have come to expect from scum like Skeptyk!

In response Ian Gilman made the facts very clear rebutting the lies of Skeptyk, who has proved time and again to be dishonest, a liar and deliberately intent on misleading UKIP members on public Forums in support of UKIP’s corruption, dishonesty and leadership – very clearly dragging UKIP into the gutter they inhabit!

Sir,

I have certainly NOT made a complaint to OLAF about Mr Derek Clark MEP, or any other MEP/member of staff.

Nor have I been interviewed concerning these matters as reported. Had I been; I would certainly not be writing here about the matter.

Please would you be king enough to pass this fact on, including to Mr Clark & Mr Farage; and be certain that the truth is spread.Paranioa and guilt complexes produce odd effects in humans.

My only knowledge of the E.U. fraud office OLAF investigations into Mr Clark has arrived from others, countrywide in fact. I have read upon the internet Case numbers/investigation references, and listened carefully to others talking about the matter.

I was briefed last autumn that during a regional meeting Mr Clark in fact denied any such investigation of him to a room of members. Catagorical : no investigation, ever.
I / We were briefed that when such questions about OLAF / Mr Clark were raised he explained I am assurred , that it was all lies, the numbers pertaining to an investigation were fakes, and correspondence about it a fraud.
Thus; evidently according to Mr Clark himself , as reported around by others; his OLAF investigation does not exist, and never did either.

Now please understand the following; quietly take it on board please.
NEC meeting, 10/2005. Precis only.
I was the only person present to attempt to do something about Tom Wise MEP. As I did so heads bowed to blotters.
I was threatened then.
Evidently threats to and against me were to be carried from that room , and were designed to intimidate me.
Mr Wise was to be jailed perhaps for thefts, fraud and moneylaundering.
Further; Mr Wise had destroyed and perhaps profitted from a legally constituted fundraising effort, UKIP Wine World, ( conceived and se-up by me) which had a legal status through and via the NEC and H.M. Customs / Commercial Bank. Mr Wise has never produced accounts/VAT evidence/Import licence details/bonded warehouse details/ Import details from The Lebanon; pertaining to this.
The fundraising was in response to Mr David Lott reporting a £ 93,000 debt from the 05 General Election (Charlie Endell describes the actual source of monies eventually used to cover the debt; via European funds ? )
At that NEC frauds were described.Frauds that would cause the Revenue and police “to lock us all up” according to one member present.
I understood the ‘jointly & severally liable’ status of NEC members.
I was a volunteer who had given much to the party.
I wished for no part in frauds .Utterly pointless and destructive.
I resigned from the NEC . I thought that would be the end of the matter.I did nothing but resign,
Immediately nasty things began to happen to me. I do seriously mean nasty things. Also to my family , my mother; unconnected with politics was traced and evidently threatened.
Someone upon that NEC passed my details to Beds. Police. I do not know who.
Beds Police investigating UKIP MEP; Mr Tom Wise contacted me about that NEC , UKIP Wine World etc.
I was read a transcript of parts of that NEC, my words and those of others were 100% accurate.
I do not know who provided those details. Nor do I wish to.
Leading up to the court case I was evidently intimidated to an extent that there were those perhaps hoping that I would lose my nerve concerning my evidence and attending Crown Court. I did not, and never would have.

Now sir, kindly pass on the original answers to your question to Mr Clark and Mr Farage; and stop creating inacurrate information and gossip.

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#0371* – UKIP: more on Mike McGough. from: Junius Blog

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/03/2011

UKIP: more on Mike McGough. from: Junius Blog 
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UKIP: more on Mike McGough. from: Junius Blog!!
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Wednesday, 23 March 2011

UKIP: more on Mike McGough

Mike McGough


McGough crawls out of the gutter to publish more idiotic ramblings on the BDF
We are happy to report that there are plans to call for the removal of McGough from the committee of the CIB. This follows his disgusting comments about GLW’s cancer which were published on the British Democracy Forum. See: LINK

It is felt that such a man can only bring the CIB into disrepute if he is allowed to remain on the committee.

We doubt that UKIP’s NEC will follow suit. Sadly, the majority of their members belong in the gutter with the Wolfman.

Here is another comment from the thread which McGough started in order to mock GLW over the return of his cancer. It is a response to McGough from a disgusted potential UKIP voter:

Jim Franklin
I am not defending GLW, I think he is an odious person who makes UK politics look even more foolish than the BNP does, BUT the man has a terminal illness, and regardless of private thoughts on the person, people should have enough self-respect and common decency to not mock the man for the illness. That is simply immoral and to be totally honest, were I inclined to vote UKIP, you would certainly have put me off and I will actively ensure anyone I know goes nowhere near the party whilst you are involved with it. No-one with your morals should be anywhere near a ballot box or especially the NEC of a political party.
To read the original: LINK
To view the original posting CLICK HERE

My thanks to JUNIUS for the NEWS that at least there are some people with morality seeking to clean up UKIP and also to Jim Franklin – I have absolutely no problem with anyone’s honourable opinion or, as Jim knows, discussion of a vigerous and polite nature based upon facts, rather than long since proven distortions – Jim has always had very rigid beliefs in his own wisdom (someone has to 😉 

In this instance may I congratulate him on a display of ethical standards that are clearly far beyond liars and cheats like Mick McGough, Skeptyk and their cowardly group. Of course in exposing corruption, paedophelia, fraud and similar over many years I have made many enemies but to date not ONE can identify a single solitary deliberate dishonesty or lie that I have EVER told – Unlike of course Mick McGough who has been proven time and again to have lied, cheated and distorted the truth for his own personal gain.

That Mick McGough is involved in a senior position in UKIP drags UKIP into the gutter repeatedly just as the likes of The Freedom Association (TFA) & The Campaign for Independent Britain (CIB) are both most clearly demeaned by his membership.

There is only one honourable course for any organisation of any moral fiber to take and clearly they would demand his resignation rather than continue to be befouled by his presence. One appreciates that Mick McGough is without honour, integrity, morality, ethics or probity as a proven liar and one can not expect him to do the honourable thing and fall on his sword by resigning his membership – he is likely to continue in self interest regardless of the fact he has befouled all he touches.
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