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ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/05/2012

ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 

.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

.
ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH!
Please HELP to keep the information flow running based on verifiable FACTS!

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Hi,

may I commend the Junius team yet again for raising the debate on UKIP issues beyond that of the corrupt leadership clique and their vile and cowardly claque.

For those who wish to understand UKIP issues; without the lies and corrupt self serving spin, of those seeking enrichment for themselves and a few chums may I suggest:
A thorough search of Junius blog and the various UKIP related blogs which I run.

Use of Junius’s Right Sidebar and also the Right Sidebar of:
http://UKip-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
may well prove to be the best source of indisputable FACTS available.

I say indisputable FACTS for try as they might on a daily basis, to date, UKIP and its sycophants and lick spittles have failed in many 1,000s of postings to show a single solitary error of consequence in a single posting.

It has not been shown, despite the cowardly lies of the anonymous sock puppets or the blatant lies of UKIP NEC members and MEPs or salaried parasites that there has been a single solitary malicious, dishonest, corrupt or self serving posting made whether deliberately or accidentally that has NOT been true both in substance and detail.

AT ANY TIME anyone who spots an error of FACT whether they consider it to be accidental or intentional
PLEASE PHONE ME on:
01594528337
or ‘e’Mail me at:
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

I WILL make ANY correction required for ANYONE giving their proper name and an identifiable phone land line (IN CONFIDENCE, which weeds out the liars and political scum like Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Gothmog and the like).

 
The serial lies and distortions of the likes of these are of little consequence as they carry zero credibility however often they may repeat their lies as over many 1,000s of blogs, eMails and forum postings despite their oft repeated lies that claim this blog is dishonest and lies they have NEVER ONCE provided an instance where these postings I have made have in ANY WAY been consequentially wrong or inaccurate – little wonder they are unwilling to put even their faux reputations to the test by putting their own name to their lies!

Sadly I find I need virus & spam filters to weed out the more obsessed liars and fantasists like Mick McGough (who sent my spam filter around 20,000 unpleasant & tasteless spam eMails – a measure of the caliber of UKIP is this vile little man is an NEC member and a UKIP candidate for the EU’s London assembly having lied & cheated to become an MEP candidate in the past – CLICK HERE).

Douglas Denny has been another serial public nuisance with his delusional lies and fantasies.

BUT they are not alone amongst UKIP’s leadership!

Little wonder that so many prominent activists have lest UKIP in disgust CLICK HERE
MAY I ONCE AGAIN
Make it VERY CLEAR:
 
Any item posted that is shown to be an error WILL be corrected and the error highlighted.
 
I do NOT remove articles from my blogs and am all too willing to apologise for any error I need to correct.

Similarly I will pass on any correction to The Junius team and will try to do so withing 36 hours and WILL report back to the complainant with any relevant response.

I trust this helps members and the public – particularly regular readers from the media to learn and provide the TRUTH & the FACTS.

On my own behalf & I’m sure on Junius‘s behalf our thanks for the steady flow of leaked info. exposing UKIP and others (which we use or pass on to others to use).

Our thanks to the many who ensure we maintain the accuracy and veracity of our postings and have done so for several years & many 1,000s of postings both on our own blogs, YouTube, eMails & Forums.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
01594-528 337
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

PS.
You will note I ONLY publish the facts which I am willing to put my name to, and I do NOT use obfuscating or deliberately misleading identities to make ANY Posting on the internet on ANY subject.

 
P.S.2:
Please note that comments on my blogs are moderated to weed out abuse, foul language, spam and similar and the postings of those unwilling to put their identifiable name to their postings – If they do not have the courage of their convictions and integrity to consider their blogs worthy of their real name I see no reason why I should consider them of any relevance!
 
P.S.3:
Comments mailed to this blog will be posted, whether they support my opinions and statements or not minded of P.S.2 above 😉
 
P.S.4:
Anyone wishing to comment with a valid reason for concealment of their identity (my discretion) may send a comment to me by ‘e’Mail identifying themselves in confidence to me, with their verifiable identity and I will post their comment in anonymity where appropriate or mail them as to why it has been witheld, which response they may, if they wish, publish elsewhere.
My identity and contact data are readily available:
if you require more details do either seek them out at:
http://GregLanceWatkins.blogspot.com
IF you are interested in Health data see:
http://GregLW.blogspot.com

IF this still leaves you with reasonable details unanswered please feel free to contact me and ask directly for as long as you are prepared to do so, politely in an adult manner, use your real name and provide a correct land line telephone number (in confidence). 

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&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
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GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
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ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/04/2012

ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH
.

 Please Be Sure To .Follow Greg_LW on Twitter. Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&


Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 

.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

.
ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH!
Please HELP to keep the information flow running based on verifiable FACTS!

.

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
.
Hi,

may I commend the Junius team yet again for raising the debate on UKIP issues beyond that of the corrupt leadership clique and their vile and cowardly claque.

For those who wish to understand UKIP issues; without the lies and corrupt self serving spin, of those seeking enrichment for themselves and a few chums may I suggest:
A thorough search of Junius blog and the various UKIP related blogs which I run.

Use of Junius’s Right Sidebar and also the Right Sidebar of:
http://UKip-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
may well prove to be the best source of indisputable FACTS available.

I say indisputable FACTS for try as they might on a daily basis, to date, UKIP and its sycophants and lick spittles have failed in many 1,000s of postings to show a single solitary error of consequence in a single posting.

It has not been shown, despite the cowardly lies of the anonymous sock puppets or the blatant lies of UKIP NEC members and MEPs or salaried parasites that there has been a single solitary malicious, dishonest, corrupt or self serving posting made whether deliberately or accidentally that has NOT been true both in substance and detail.

AT ANY TIME anyone who spots an error of FACT whether they consider it to be accidental or intentional
PLEASE PHONE ME on:
01594528337
or ‘e’Mail me at:
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

I WILL make ANY correction required for ANYONE giving their proper name and an identifiable phone land line (IN CONFIDENCE, which weeds out the liars and political scum like Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Gothmog and the like).

 
The serial lies and distortions of the likes of these are of little consequence as they carry zero credibility however often they may repeat their lies as over many 1,000s of blogs, eMails and forum postings despite their oft repeated lies that claim this blog is dishonest and lies they have NEVER ONCE provided an instance where these postings I have made have in ANY WAY been consequentially wrong or inaccurate – little wonder they are unwilling to put even their faux reputations to the test by putting their own name to their lies!

Sadly I find I need virus & spam filters to weed out the more obsessed liars and fantasists like Mick McGough (who sent my spam filter around 20,000 unpleasant & tasteless spam eMails – a measure of the caliber of UKIP is this vile little man is an NEC member and a UKIP candidate for the EU’s London assembly having lied & cheated to become an MEP candidate in the past – CLICK HERE).

Douglas Denny has been another serial public nuisance with his delusional lies and fantasies.

BUT they are not alone amongst UKIP’s leadership!

Little wonder that so many prominent activists have lest UKIP in disgust CLICK HERE
MAY I ONCE AGAIN
Make it VERY CLEAR:
 
Any item posted that is shown to be an error WILL be corrected and the error highlighted.
 
I do NOT remove articles from my blogs and am all too willing to apologise for any error I need to correct.

Similarly I will pass on any correction to The Junius team and will try to do so withing 36 hours and WILL report back to the complainant with any relevant response.

I trust this helps members and the public – particularly regular readers from the media to learn and provide the TRUTH & the FACTS.

On my own behalf & I’m sure on Junius‘s behalf our thanks for the steady flow of leaked info. exposing UKIP and others (which we use or pass on to others to use).

Our thanks to the many who ensure we maintain the accuracy and veracity of our postings and have done so for several years & many 1,000s of postings both on our own blogs, YouTube, eMails & Forums.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
01594-528 337
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

PS.
You will note I ONLY publish the facts which I am willing to put my name to, and I do NOT use obfuscating or deliberately misleading identities to make ANY Posting on the internet on ANY subject.

 
P.S.2:
Please note that comments on my blogs are moderated to weed out abuse, foul language, spam and similar and the postings of those unwilling to put their identifiable name to their postings – If they do not have the courage of their convictions and integrity to consider their blogs worthy of their real name I see no reason why I should consider them of any relevance!
 
P.S.3:
Comments mailed to this blog will be posted, whether they support my opinions and statements or not minded of P.S.2 above 😉
 
P.S.4:
Anyone wishing to comment with a valid reason for concealment of their identity (my discretion) may send a comment to me by ‘e’Mail identifying themselves in confidence to me, with their verifiable identity and I will post their comment in anonymity where appropriate or mail them as to why it has been witheld, which response they may, if they wish, publish elsewhere.
My identity and contact data are readily available:
if you require more details do either seek them out at:
http://GregLanceWatkins.blogspot.com
IF you are interested in Health data see:
http://GregLW.blogspot.com

IF this still leaves you with reasonable details unanswered please feel free to contact me and ask directly for as long as you are prepared to do so, politely in an adult manner, use your real name and provide a correct land line telephone number (in confidence). 

. .
~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
 
 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins
tel: 01594 – 528 337
of: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com  
DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar<  
Also:
Details & Links: http://GregLanceWatkins.Blogspot.com  
General Stuff: http://gl-w.blogspot.com  
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com  
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#0777* – UKIP: Nigel Farage addresses anti-semitic, fascist party meeting

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 11/04/2012

Wednesday, 11 April 2012

#0777* – UKIP: Nigel Farage addresses anti-semitic, fascist party meeting

#0777* – UKIP: Nigel Farage addresses anti-semitic, fascist party meeting
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.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 

is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

.

UKIP: Nigel Farage addresses anti-semitic, fascist party meeting in Greece!

The MANY Examples of apparent Extremism, Racism, Anti Judaism, Anti Homosexual, Advocacy of Violence, Cyber Bullying and the like amongst UKIP Leadership & its associates should make people consider whether they are fit to represent ANYONE!

Let us not forget the apparent incitement to racial hatred based upon religious superstitions presented by officials of UKIP!

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UKIP: Nigel Farage addresses anti-semitic, fascist party meeting

LAOS is a Greek political party widely vilified for its extreme anti-semitic and homophobic views.

In 2004, when the party joined UKIP’s Independence & Democracy group, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre began expressing an interest. This was renewed in 2009, when the renowned Nazi-hunters asked for information on UKIP’s current political vehicle, the EFD group. LAOS fascists also sit in this group.

The following is an extract from a paper presented to the Wiesenthal Centre in 2010.

Popular Orthodox Rally (LAOS)

Controversial Greek politician and leader of LAOS, Georgios Karatzaferis, was a member and vice-president of the Ind Dem group, forerunner of the EFD, in the European Parliament (2004-2007). He appears to retain not only party, but also personal links to his former colleagues. In May 2010, a delegation of EFD members and staff visited Athens, where they met with Karatzaferis and others. (24)

In 2000, Karatzaferis claimed that the Protocols of Zion were being put into effect and that:

“the Pope and the Jews are conspiring against Greece“. (25)

Also in 2000, “The New World Order means that we are a puppet at the hands of the Jews… The Global government has taken place in Europe. The common currency too! They are dancing it to their tune. Do you know what kind of money the Jews are profiteering with these ups and downs? We are being led to the fulfillment of targets set 200 years ago.” (ibid)

In 2001, the rhetoric became more menacing:
The Jews have no right to provoke, because they have filled the world with crimes“. “The Jews have no legitimacy to speak in Greece and provoke the political world. Their impudence is crass“. He also challenged the Israeli ambassador to come and debate “the Holocaust, the Auschwitz and Dachau myth”. Karatzaferis finished by asking “Mister Jew ambassador” to “be a bit careful” and warning “the Jews” that if Greek Jews continue their “insolent behaviour” (as in their response to Karatzaferis’s earlier claims that “the Jews” were responsible for 9/11) they were “not going to have a pleasant time.” (26) The US State Department, in its Annual Report on Religious Freedoms in 2005, singled out LAOS, and its leader (and then MEP) Giorgos Karatzaferis, for promoting “radical nationalism, anti-Semitism, racism, and xenophobia”.

LAOS has two representatives in the EFD group, Niki Tzaveli (vice-chair of the group), and Nikolaos Salavrakos, a former legal adviser to LAOS. In fact, for the purposes of representation in the European Parliament, the party is styled Laikos Orthodoxos Synagermos – G. Karatzaferis.

Adonis Georgiadis, a LAOS Member of the Greek Parliament, has attracted criticism for his literary activities. A writer and publisher, he has been accused of promoting a book, Jews: the whole truth, by Konstantinos Plevris, himself a former LAOS member, which describes Jews as “subhuman” (p.582). Plevris is critical of the Nazi regime for “not ridding Europe of Jewish Zionism”, and states that Jews should be “rounded-up and executed within 24 hours” (p.742). Plevris, who describes himself in his book as a “Nazi” (p.600) also claims that former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan is a “descendant of cannibals”.

24. http://www.efdgroup.eu/news/92-the-eurozone-crisis-efd-study-trip-to-greece-.html

26. http://www.iospress.gr/mikro2001/mikro20010929.htm

As if it were not disgusting enough that UKIP sits in a political group with this filth, just a few weeks ago we had the spectacle of Nigel Farage addressing young members of this fascist party in Greece. Farage is clearly seen in front of the fascist logo of LAOS. This is absolute proof of Farage’s realignment of UKIP in Europe as an extreme-right party.

As was mentioned in a previous post – our grandfathers fought a war against fascist scum like them – and Farage would appear to now be one of “them”. Here is the evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WIQQ3vKzrI
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THIS POST HAS BEEN UPDATED based on additional information:

It seems that the meeting as filmed was in fact presented in The EU Parliament, or so I am informed by a member of UKIP! Who supplies me with information out of revulsion or despair at the overt racism of some in UKIP and its associates, particularly based on their anti Islamic stance.

The meeting seems NOT to have been a speci9fic LAOS meeting but in view of the extremism of the panel the preponderance of attendees were Greek LAOS extremist supporters, as others did not wish to be associated with the extremist stance of the panel.

My thanks to my informat who has tried to ensure the continued accuracy of this blog – even on such small details!
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ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/04/2012

ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH
.

 Please Be Sure To .Follow Greg_LW on Twitter. Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&


Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 

.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

.
ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH!
Please HELP to keep the information flow running based on verifiable FACTS!

.

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
.
Hi,

may I commend the Junius team yet again for raising the debate on UKIP issues beyond that of the corrupt leadership clique and their vile and cowardly claque.

For those who wish to understand UKIP issues; without the lies and corrupt self serving spin, of those seeking enrichment for themselves and a few chums may I suggest:
A thorough search of Junius blog and the various UKIP related blogs which I run.

Use of Junius’s Right Sidebar and also the Right Sidebar of:
http://UKip-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
may well prove to be the best source of indisputable FACTS available.

I say indisputable FACTS for try as they might on a daily basis, to date, UKIP and its sycophants and lick spittles have failed in many 1,000s of postings to show a single solitary error of consequence in a single posting.

It has not been shown, despite the cowardly lies of the anonymous sock puppets or the blatant lies of UKIP NEC members and MEPs or salaried parasites that there has been a single solitary malicious, dishonest, corrupt or self serving posting made whether deliberately or accidentally that has NOT been true both in substance and detail.

AT ANY TIME anyone who spots an error of FACT whether they consider it to be accidental or intentional
PLEASE PHONE ME on:
01594528337
or ‘e’Mail me at:
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

I WILL make ANY correction required for ANYONE giving their proper name and an identifiable phone land line (IN CONFIDENCE, which weeds out the liars and political scum like Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Gothmog and the like).

 
The serial lies and distortions of the likes of these are of little consequence as they carry zero credibility however often they may repeat their lies as over many 1,000s of blogs, eMails and forum postings despite their oft repeated lies that claim this blog is dishonest and lies they have NEVER ONCE provided an instance where these postings I have made have in ANY WAY been consequentially wrong or inaccurate – little wonder they are unwilling to put even their faux reputations to the test by putting their own name to their lies!

Sadly I find I need virus & spam filters to weed out the more obsessed liars and fantasists like Mick McGough (who sent my spam filter around 20,000 unpleasant & tasteless spam eMails – a measure of the caliber of UKIP is this vile little man is an NEC member and a UKIP candidate for the EU’s London assembly having lied & cheated to become an MEP candidate in the past – CLICK HERE).

Douglas Denny has been another serial public nuisance with his delusional lies and fantasies.

BUT they are not alone amongst UKIP’s leadership!

Little wonder that so many prominent activists have lest UKIP in disgust CLICK HERE
MAY I ONCE AGAIN
Make it VERY CLEAR:
 
Any item posted that is shown to be an error WILL be corrected and the error highlighted.
 
I do NOT remove articles from my blogs and am all too willing to apologise for any error I need to correct.

Similarly I will pass on any correction to The Junius team and will try to do so withing 36 hours and WILL report back to the complainant with any relevant response.

I trust this helps members and the public – particularly regular readers from the media to learn and provide the TRUTH & the FACTS.

On my own behalf & I’m sure on Junius‘s behalf our thanks for the steady flow of leaked info. exposing UKIP and others (which we use or pass on to others to use).

Our thanks to the many who ensure we maintain the accuracy and veracity of our postings and have done so for several years & many 1,000s of postings both on our own blogs, YouTube, eMails & Forums.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
01594-528 337
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

PS.
You will note I ONLY publish the facts which I am willing to put my name to, and I do NOT use obfuscating or deliberately misleading identities to make ANY Posting on the internet on ANY subject.

 
P.S.2:
Please note that comments on my blogs are moderated to weed out abuse, foul language, spam and similar and the postings of those unwilling to put their identifiable name to their postings – If they do not have the courage of their convictions and integrity to consider their blogs worthy of their real name I see no reason why I should consider them of any relevance!
 
P.S.3:
Comments mailed to this blog will be posted, whether they support my opinions and statements or not minded of P.S.2 above 😉
 
P.S.4:
Anyone wishing to comment with a valid reason for concealment of their identity (my discretion) may send a comment to me by ‘e’Mail identifying themselves in confidence to me, with their verifiable identity and I will post their comment in anonymity where appropriate or mail them as to why it has been witheld, which response they may, if they wish, publish elsewhere.
My identity and contact data are readily available:
if you require more details do either seek them out at:
http://GregLanceWatkins.blogspot.com
IF you are interested in Health data see:
http://GregLW.blogspot.com

IF this still leaves you with reasonable details unanswered please feel free to contact me and ask directly for as long as you are prepared to do so, politely in an adult manner, use your real name and provide a correct land line telephone number (in confidence). 

. .
~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
 
 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins
tel: 01594 – 528 337
of: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com  
DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar<  
Also:
Details & Links: http://GregLanceWatkins.Blogspot.com  
General Stuff: http://gl-w.blogspot.com  
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com  
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#0755* – ex UKIP MEP + 3 Staff Arrested & Released

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/02/2012

#0755* – ex UKIP MEP + 3 Staff Arrested & Released
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is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  

.
ex UKIP MEP + 3 Staff Arrested 22-Feb-2012 & Released early hours 23-Feb-2012!!

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Hi,

this is merely a holding post at this stage.

I have Twittered a little while ago:

Nikki Sinclaire & 3 staff arrested and released re: allegations of fraud made by John Ison? and UKIP? I understand. I BELIEVE unsustainable! 

I will provide more RELIABLE FACTS when I have time.

I BELIEVE that the West Midlands Fiscal Crime Unit has been lied to and conned by the self serving low lifes in UKIP Leadership and aspirant sycophants, no doubt egged on by UKIP Leadership with promises and bribes.

Many will remember the lies of Mark Croucher and Annabelle Fuller on behalf of UKIP Leadership, which when investigated were proven to be utter bunkum as was their contemptible disregard for the law, ethics and the truth as with Mick McGough and others.

I do however FIRMLY GO ON RECORD stating that I believe that this underhand and apparently corrupt and vindictive behaviour of UKIP will in the long run prove to be one of THE most damaging and costly actions they have in dishonesty and self serving behaviour committed.

I believe the lies of Mick McGough about me published on the UKIP controlled Forum and the rapid support he received by one of UKIP’s other corrupt puppets was no coincidence as they KNEW I could be relied upon to publish what I believed on this issue in a quest for the truth.

I KNOW UKIP is willing to lie both to the Courts and in The media and I believe these allegations to be founded on more lies from UKIP.

It is a very strange ‘fraudster’ who proves beyond doubt to have paid from their own pocket and recorded in signed off accounts certificated by an accountant more of their own money by 10s of £1,000s than the piffling allegations made on UKIP’s behest and by John Ison based on accounts HE MANAGED and documentation HE STOLE for his own personal gain, it would seem!

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STATEMENT FROM:
INDEPENDENT MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE:

Statement from Nikki Sinclaire MEP

Nikki Sinclaire attended the police station voluntarily yesterday and has co-operated with the police. 

Nikki Sinclaire MEP disputes all allegations put towards her or her staff. Nikki Sinclaire MEP and her office will continue to fully co-operate with the police on this matter.

The allegations at hand are old allegations from a disgruntled ex-employee who himself is under investigation and whose motives are entirely political to pursue his advancement in  UKIP.

Due to the on-going police investigation it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time. This is particularly frustrating to Ms Sinclaire who is eager to clear her name and has nothing to hide.
  

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INDEPENDENT MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE:

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I repeat that as when this story was first published – I did NOT believe it to be sustainable but I do expect it will be used by UKIP Leadership to further try to sabotage Nikki Sinclaire yet when it was absolutely clear that Tom Wise had been involved in fraud with the aid of signatures by Lindsay Jenkins – it was so clear that the media had published details having interviewed various involved individuals and Tom Wise was eventually found guilty and sent to prison for 2 years.

Derek Clark UKIP MEP, Stuart Agnew UKIP MEP, David Bannerman UKIP MEP, Jeffrey Titford UKIP MEP, Nigel Farage UKIP MEP, Graham Booth UKIP MEP, Lord Pearson sometime UKIP puppet Leader, Mick McGough UKIP NEC, Marta Andreasen UKIP’s Spanish MEP and others have ALL been involved in fraud or had to repay money to the public purse used unlawfully yet no action has ever been taken against them by UKIP so it will be interesting to watch and measure the ethics and morality of UKIP leadership in how they handle this issue!

I am aware that Sinclaire has published her accounts in greater detail than any UKIP MEP and has had them signed off bny an accountant – I am also aware that she has spent a considerable amount of her own money in promotion of the Leave-The-EU cause and thus I BELIEVE there to be absolutely no grounds to the allegations – but I will be the first to correct ANY falser information I may be supplied with and will make VERY clear the difference between fact and opinion on this issue.

I have no reason to believe Nikki Sinclaire MEP or any member of her  present staff has been involved in ANY fraudulent activity.

I will provide further details when they are available and I have time.

THE BBC POSTED at 09:16hrs.:

MEP Nikki Sinclaire held in European Parliament fraud probe

Nikki Sinclaire - archive image Ms Sinclaire was arrested at a police station in Birmingham
A West Midlands MEP has been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud the European Parliament.
The arrest of Nikki Sinclaire and three other people were part of an inquiry following an allegation made in 2010 into allowances and expenses.
Ms Sinclaire, 43, was arrested at a police station in Birmingham.
Two women, aged 55 and 39, and a man aged 19 were arrested at addresses in Solihull, Worcester and Birmingham. All four have been released on police bail.
They were all arrested on Wednesday.
Officers have been carrying out searches at the addresses involved.

To view the article on the BBC web site CLICK HERE

also:

West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire arrested over alleged expenses fraud

POLICE have arrested a West Midlands MEP over an alleged expenses fraud, the Birmingham Mail can reveal.
Nikki Sinclaire, 43, was being quizzed along with three other people on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud the European Parliament.
All four remained in custody last night.
Miss Sinclaire, from Meriden, was arrested at a Birmingham police station yesterday evening by detectives from West Midlands Police’s Economic Crime Unit.
Three others, two women and a 19-year-old youth, were also arrested at addresses in Solihull, Worcester and Birmingham.
A spokeswoman for West Midlands Police said last night: ‘‘West Midlands Police Economic Crime Unit have today arrested four people on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud the European Parliament.
‘‘Two women, aged 55 and 39, and a man aged 19 were arrested at addresses in Solihull, Worcester and Birmingham this morning, while a 43 year-old woman was later arrested at a police station in Birmingham. All four remain in custody this evening.
‘‘The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation which followed an allegation made in 2010 into allowances and expenses.’’
Miss Sinclaire was elected to the European Parliament as a UKIP MEP for the West Midlands in June 2009, but was later expelled from the party over policy rows.
British MEPs earn around £80,000 in wages from the European Parliament each year, depending on the euro exchange rate. They can also claim up to £205,000 annually in staffing allowance.
In 2010, London-born Miss Sinclaire said she would welcome an official inquiry into her own expenses after denying reports she had claimed money she was not entitled to.
It followed accusations by a whistleblower that she had claimed nearly £840 for driving the 1,200 miles from her Birmingham home to the parliament in Strasbourg, when she had allegedly travelled by plane, which can cost as little as £260.
An investigation by the European Parliament’s anti-fraud office was the only way she could clear her name, Miss Sinclaire said at the time.
“I have never intentionally claimed anything I wasn’t entitled to,’’ she said. “And none of this money went into my personal bank account.”
Far from making a profit from expenses, she actually subsidised her work as an MEP with £10,000 a year from her own salary, she said.
Miss Sinclaire stood in the 2010 General Election in Meriden, but won just 1.3 per cent of the vote, against 2.6 per cent for the UKIP candidate.
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AND:

MEP Nikki Sinclaire arrested in expenses probe

West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire has been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud the European Parliament.

Nikki Sinclaire MEP

Nikki Sinclaire MEP 
The MEP was arrested and bailed with three other people yesterday as part of a probe into expenses by West Midlands Police.
Properties have been searched by officers investigating an allegation made in 2010 over the use of allowances and expenses.
Ms Sinclaire, 43, was elected as a UKIP MEP in June 2009 and came third in the contest to succeed Nigel Farage as party leader later that year.
But she had the whip withdrawn in 2010 for refusing to sit with the party’s Italian allies Liga Nord in the European Parliament. Ms Sinclaire, a lesbian, said the party were homophobic.
She won a claim for sex discrimation against her former colleagues at an employment tribunal and now sits as an independent.
A spokesman for West Midlands Police said: “Officers from West Midlands Police Economic Crime Unit arrested four people yesterday on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud the European Parliament.
“Two women aged 55 and 39 and a man aged 19 were arrested at addresses in Solihull, Worcester and Birmingham and were taken to a police station for questioning. A 43-year-old woman was later arrested at a police station in Birmingham.
“All four have since been released on police bail.
“Searches have been carried out at the addresses involved by officers conducting an investigation into an allegation made in 2010 regarding allowances and expenses.”
On her Twitter page today, a spokesman for Miss Sinclaire said the MEP attended the police station in Birmingham voluntarily yesterday and co-operated fully with the police.
“This is particularly frustrating to Ms Sinclaire who is eager to clear her name and has nothing to hide,” tweets on the MEP’s page said.
The MEP “disputes all allegations put towards her or her staff”, which were “old allegations made by a disgruntled ex-employee who himself is under investigation and whose motives are entirely political to pursue his advancement in Ukip”, they continued.
Due to the police investigation, it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time, it added.
It said Miss Sinclaire and her office would continue to “fully co-operate with the police on this matter”.
In a short statement, Ukip said Ms Sinclaire ceased to be an MEP for the party in 2010.
“It would be inappropriate for the party to make any comment during the process of an ongoing police inquiry,” the statement said.

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24 Oct 2011 : Column 46

Backbench Business

[34th Allotted Day]

National Referendum on the European Union

Mr Speaker: I should inform the House that I have selected none of the amendments.

In view of the very large number of Members who wish to speak in the debate, I have imposed a limit of five minutes on each Back-Bench speech.

4.32 pm

Mr David Nuttall (Bury North) (Con): I beg to move,

That this House calls upon the Government to introduce a Bill in the next session of Parliament to provide for the holding of a national referendum on whether the United Kingdom should

(a) remain a member of the European Union on the current terms;

(b) leave the European Union; or

(c) re-negotiate the terms of its membership in order to create a new relationship based on trade and co-operation.

The motion stands in my name and those of many other right hon. and hon. Members.

I must start by thanking the Backbench Business Committee for providing time for today’s debate. It is an historic debate, and the amount of interest generated in advance of it has surely put beyond any doubt the fact that the public are concerned about this matter. It fully vindicates the establishment of the Committee, and its decision to facilitate the debate. I thank my hon. Friends the Members for Basildon and Billericay (Mr Baron), for Christchurch (Mr Chope), for Clacton (Mr Carswell), for Rochester and Strood (Mark Reckless) and for Wycombe (Steve Baker), along with many others, for their tireless work and support from the very outset. With the leave of the House, my hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborough (Mr Bone) will briefly wind up the debate.

The motion reflects the wishes of the hundreds of thousands of people who have signed petitions calling for a referendum on the United Kingdom’s future relationship with the European Union. Opinion polls clearly show that millions of others agree with them: in fact, the vast majority of the British people want a vote in a referendum. The arguments for and against the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union can wait until a future referendum campaign. The motion that is before us today simply paves the way for a referendum to be held on some future, as yet unspecified, date. Therefore, any argument that now is not the right time for a referendum to be held is, quite frankly, irrelevant. Even if the motion is passed today, a referendum is likely to be years away.

The balance of the Debate can be read at CLICK HERE


The House having divided:
Ayes 111, Noes 483.

Division No. 372]

[9.59 pm
AYES

Andrew, Stuart
Baker, Steve
Baron, Mr John
Bingham, Andrew
Binley, Mr Brian
Blackman, Bob
Brady, Mr Graham
Bridgen, Andrew
Brine, Mr Steve
Bruce, Fiona
Byles, Dan
Campbell, Mr Gregory
Campbell, Mr Ronnie
Carswell, Mr Douglas
Cash, Mr William
Chope, Mr Christopher
Clappison, Mr James
Cooper, Rosie
Corbyn, Jeremy
Crouch, Tracey
Cruddas, Jon
Cryer, John
Davidson, Mr Ian
Davies, David T. C.
(Monmouth)
Davies, Philip
Davis, rh Mr David
de Bois, Nick
Dinenage, Caroline
Dodds, rh Mr Nigel
Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M.
Dorries, Nadine
Drax, Richard
Engel, Natascha
Field, rh Mr Frank
Field, Mr Mark
Fullbrook, Lorraine
Godsiff, Mr Roger
Goldsmith, Zac
Gray, Mr James
Heaton-Harris, Chris
Henderson, Gordon
Hermon, Lady
Hoey, Kate
Hollingbery, George
Holloway, Mr Adam
Hopkins, Kelvin
Jackson, Mr Stewart
Jenkin, Mr Bernard
Jones, Mr Marcus
Kelly, Chris
Leadsom, Andrea
Lefroy, Jeremy
Leigh, Mr Edward
Lewis, Dr Julian
Lucas, Caroline
Lumley, Karen
Main, Mrs Anne
McCabe, Steve
McCartney, Jason
McCartney, Karl
McCrea, Dr William
McDonnell, John
McPartland, Stephen
Mercer, Patrick
Mills, Nigel
Mitchell, Austin
Morris, Anne Marie
Morris, James
Mosley, Stephen
Murray, Sheryll
Nokes, Caroline
Nuttall, Mr David
Offord, Mr Matthew
Paisley, Ian
Parish, Neil
Patel, Priti
Percy, Andrew
Pritchard, Mark
Reckless, Mark
Redwood, rh Mr John
Rees-Mogg, Jacob
Reevell, Simon
Robertson, Mr Laurence
Rosindell, Andrew
Sanders, Mr Adrian
Shannon, Jim
Shepherd, Mr Richard
Simpson, David
Skinner, Mr Dennis
Smith, rh Mr Andrew
Smith, Henry
Stevenson, John
Stewart, Bob
Stewart, Iain
Streeter, Mr Gary
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Sturdy, Julian
Tapsell, rh Sir Peter
Tomlinson, Justin
Turner, Mr Andrew
Vickers, Martin
Walker, Mr Charles
Walker, Mr Robin
Weatherley, Mike
Wheeler, Heather
Whittaker, Craig
Whittingdale, Mr John
Wilson, Sammy
Wollaston, Dr Sarah
Wood, Mike

Tellers for the Ayes:

Mr Peter Bone and
Mr Philip Hollobone

NOES

Abbott, Ms Diane
Abrahams, Debbie
Adams, Nigel
Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob
Aldous, Peter
Alexander, rh Danny
Alexander, rh Mr Douglas
Alexander, Heidi
Ali, Rushanara
Anderson, Mr David
Arbuthnot, rh Mr James
Ashworth, Jonathan
Bacon, Mr Richard
Bailey, Mr Adrian
Bain, Mr William
Baker, Norman
Baldry, Tony
Baldwin, Harriett
Balls, rh Ed
Banks, Gordon
Barclay, Stephen
Barker, Gregory
Barron, rh Mr Kevin
Barwell, Gavin
Bebb, Guto
Beckett, rh Margaret
Begg, Dame Anne
Beith, rh Sir Alan
Bell, Sir Stuart
Bellingham, Mr Henry
Benn, rh Hilary
Benton, Mr Joe
Benyon, Richard
Beresford, Sir Paul
Berger, Luciana
Berry, Jake
Betts, Mr Clive
Blackman-Woods, Roberta
Blackwood, Nicola
Blears, rh Hazel
Blenkinsop, Tom
Blomfield, Paul
Blunkett, rh Mr David
Blunt, Mr Crispin
Boles, Nick
Bottomley, Sir Peter
Bradley, Karen
Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben
Brake, rh Tom
Bray, Angie
Brazier, Mr Julian
Brokenshire, James
Brooke, Annette
Brown, rh Mr Gordon
Brown, Lyn
Brown, rh Mr Nicholas
Brown, Mr Russell
Browne, Mr Jeremy
Bruce, rh Malcolm
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Buckland, Mr Robert
Burden, Richard
Burley, Mr Aidan
Burnham, rh Andy
Burns, Conor
Burns, rh Mr Simon
Burrowes, Mr David
Burstow, Paul
Burt, Alistair
Burt, Lorely
Byrne, rh Mr Liam
Cable, rh Vince
Cairns, Alun
Cameron, rh Mr David
Campbell, Mr Alan
Campbell, rh Sir Menzies
Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair
Carmichael, Neil
Caton, Martin
Chapman, Mrs Jenny
Chishti, Rehman
Clark, rh Greg
Clarke, rh Mr Kenneth
Clarke, rh Mr Tom
Clegg, rh Mr Nick
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Clwyd, rh Ann
Coaker, Vernon
Coffey, Ann
Coffey, Dr Thérèse
Collins, Damian
Colvile, Oliver
Connarty, Michael
Cooper, rh Yvette
Cox, Mr Geoffrey
Crabb, Stephen
Crausby, Mr David
Creagh, Mary
Creasy, Stella
Crockart, Mike
Cunningham, Alex
Cunningham, Mr Jim
Cunningham, Tony
Curran, Margaret
Dakin, Nic
Danczuk, Simon
Darling, rh Mr Alistair
Davey, Mr Edward
David, Mr Wayne
Davies, Geraint
Davies, Glyn
De Piero, Gloria
Denham, rh Mr John
Djanogly, Mr Jonathan
Dobbin, Jim
Dobson, rh Frank
Docherty, Thomas
Donohoe, Mr Brian H.
Doran, Mr Frank
Dorrell, rh Mr Stephen
Dowd, Jim
Doyle, Gemma
Doyle-Price, Jackie
Dromey, Jack
Duddridge, James
Dugher, Michael
Duncan, rh Mr Alan
Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain
Durkan, Mark
Eagle, Ms Angela
Eagle, Maria
Edwards, Jonathan
Efford, Clive
Elliott, Julie
Ellis, Michael
Ellison, Jane
Ellman, Mrs Louise
Ellwood, Mr Tobias
Elphicke, Charlie
Esterson, Bill
Evans, Chris
Evans, Graham
Evans, Jonathan
Evennett, Mr David
Fabricant, Michael
Fallon, Michael
Farrelly, Paul
Farron, Tim
Featherstone, Lynne
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flello, Robert
Flint, rh Caroline
Flynn, Paul
Fovargue, Yvonne
Fox, rh Dr Liam
Francis, Dr Hywel
Francois, rh Mr Mark
Freeman, George
Freer, Mike
Fuller, Richard
Gapes, Mike
Garnier, Mr Edward
Garnier, Mark
Gauke, Mr David
George, Andrew
Gibb, Mr Nick
Gilbert, Stephen
Gillan, rh Mrs Cheryl
Gilmore, Sheila
Glass, Pat
Glen, John
Glindon, Mrs Mary
Goggins, rh Paul
Goodman, Helen
Goodwill, Mr Robert
Gove, rh Michael
Graham, Richard
Grant, Mrs Helen
Grayling, rh Chris
Greatrex, Tom
Green, Damian
Green, Kate
Greening, Justine
Greenwood, Lilian
Grieve, rh Mr Dominic
Griffith, Nia
Griffiths, Andrew
Gummer, Ben
Gwynne, Andrew
Gyimah, Mr Sam
Hain, rh Mr Peter
Halfon, Robert
Hames, Duncan
Hamilton, Mr David
Hamilton, Fabian
Hammond, rh Mr Philip
Hammond, Stephen
Hancock, Matthew
Hanson, rh Mr David
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harper, Mr Mark
Harrington, Richard
Harris, Rebecca
Hart, Simon
Harvey, Nick
Haselhurst, rh Sir Alan
Havard, Mr Dai
Hayes, Mr John
Heald, Oliver
Heath, Mr David
Hemming, John
Hendrick, Mark
Hendry, Charles
Hepburn, Mr Stephen
Herbert, rh Nick
Heyes, David
Hillier, Meg
Hilling, Julie
Hinds, Damian
Hoban, Mr Mark
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs Sharon
Hood, Mr Jim
Hopkins, Kris
Horwood, Martin
Howarth, rh Mr George
Howarth, Mr Gerald
Howell, John
Hughes, rh Simon
Huhne, rh Chris
Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy
Hunt, Tristram
Hunter, Mark
Huppert, Dr Julian
Hurd, Mr Nick
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Glenda
James, Margot
James, Mrs Siân C.
Jamieson, Cathy
Jarvis, Dan
Javid, Sajid
Johnson, Diana
Johnson, Gareth
Johnson, Joseph
Jones, Andrew
Jones, Mr David
Jones, Graham
Jones, Mr Kevan
Jones, Susan Elan
Jowell, rh Tessa
Joyce, Eric
Kaufman, rh Sir Gerald
Kawczynski, Daniel
Keeley, Barbara
Kendall, Liz
Kennedy, rh Mr Charles
Khan, rh Sadiq
Kirby, Simon
Knight, rh Mr Greg
Laing, Mrs Eleanor
Lamb, Norman
Lammy, rh Mr David
Lancaster, Mark
Lansley, rh Mr Andrew
Latham, Pauline
Lavery, Ian
Laws, rh Mr David
Lazarowicz, Mark
Lee, Jessica
Lee, Dr Phillip
Leech, Mr John
Leslie, Charlotte
Leslie, Chris
Letwin, rh Mr Oliver
Lewis, Brandon
Lewis, Mr Ivan
Liddell-Grainger, Mr Ian
Lidington, rh Mr David
Lilley, rh Mr Peter
Lloyd, Stephen
Lloyd, Tony
Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn
Long, Naomi
Lopresti, Jack
Lord, Jonathan
Loughton, Tim
Love, Mr Andrew
Lucas, Ian
Luff, Peter
Macleod, Mary
MacShane, rh Mr Denis
Mactaggart, Fiona
Mahmood, Mr Khalid
Mahmood, Shabana
Mann, John
Marsden, Mr Gordon
Maude, rh Mr Francis
May, rh Mrs Theresa
Maynard, Paul
McCann, Mr Michael
McCarthy, Kerry
McClymont, Gregg
McDonagh, Siobhain
McDonnell, Dr Alasdair
McFadden, rh Mr Pat
McGovern, Alison
McGovern, Jim
McGuire, rh Mrs Anne
McIntosh, Miss Anne
McKechin, Ann
McKenzie, Mr Iain
McKinnell, Catherine
McLoughlin, rh Mr Patrick
McVey, Esther
Meacher, rh Mr Michael
Meale, Sir Alan
Mearns, Ian
Menzies, Mark
Metcalfe, Stephen
Michael, rh Alun
Miliband, rh David
Miliband, rh Edward
Miller, Andrew
Miller, Maria
Milton, Anne
Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew
Moon, Mrs Madeleine
Mordaunt, Penny
Morden, Jessica
Morgan, Nicky
Morrice, Graeme
(Livingston)
Morris, David
Morris, Grahame M.
(Easington)
Mowat, David
Mudie, Mr George
Mundell, rh David
Munt, Tessa
Murphy, rh Mr Jim
Murphy, rh Paul
Murray, Ian
Murrison, Dr Andrew
Nandy, Lisa
Nash, Pamela
Neill, Robert
Newmark, Mr Brooks
Norman, Jesse
O’Brien, Mr Stephen
O’Donnell, Fiona
Ollerenshaw, Eric
Onwurah, Chi
Opperman, Guy
Osborne, rh Mr George
Osborne, Sandra
Ottaway, Richard
Owen, Albert
Paice, rh Mr James
Paterson, rh Mr Owen
Pawsey, Mark
Pearce, Teresa
Penrose, John
Perkins, Toby
Perry, Claire
Phillips, Stephen
Pickles, rh Mr Eric
Pincher, Christopher
Poulter, Dr Daniel
Pound, Stephen
Prisk, Mr Mark
Qureshi, Yasmin
Randall, rh Mr John
Raynsford, rh Mr Nick
Reed, Mr Jamie
Reeves, Rachel
Reid, Mr Alan
Reynolds, Emma
Reynolds, Jonathan
Ritchie, Ms Margaret
Robathan, rh Mr Andrew
Robertson, Hugh
Robinson, Mr Geoffrey
Rogerson, Dan
Rotheram, Steve
Roy, Mr Frank
Roy, Lindsay
Ruane, Chris
Rudd, Amber
Ruddock, rh Joan
Ruffley, Mr David
Russell, Bob
Rutley, David
Sandys, Laura
Sarwar, Anas
Scott, Mr Lee
Seabeck, Alison
Selous, Andrew
Shapps, rh Grant
Sharma, Alok
Sharma, Mr Virendra
Sheerman, Mr Barry
Shelbrooke, Alec
Sheridan, Jim
Shuker, Gavin
Simmonds, Mark
Simpson, Mr Keith
Skidmore, Chris
Slaughter, Mr Andy
Smith, Angela
Smith, Miss Chloe
Smith, Julian
Smith, Nick
Smith, Owen
Smith, Sir Robert
Soames, rh Nicholas
Soubry, Anna
Spelman, rh Mrs Caroline
Stanley, rh Sir John
Stephenson, Andrew
Stewart, Iain
Stewart, Rory
Stride, Mel
Stuart, Mr Graham
Stunell, Andrew
Swales, Ian
Swayne, rh Mr Desmond
Swinson, Jo
Swire, rh Mr Hugo
Syms, Mr Robert
Tami, Mark
Teather, Sarah
Thomas, Mr Gareth
Thornberry, Emily
Thurso, John
Timms, rh Stephen
Timpson, Mr Edward
Tredinnick, David
Trickett, Jon
Truss, Elizabeth
Turner, Karl
Twigg, Derek
Twigg, Stephen
Tyrie, Mr Andrew
Umunna, Mr Chuka
Uppal, Paul
Vaizey, Mr Edward
Vara, Mr Shailesh
Vaz, Valerie
Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa
Wallace, Mr Ben
Walter, Mr Robert
Ward, Mr David
Watkinson, Angela
Watson, Mr Tom
Watts, Mr Dave
Weatherley, Mike
Webb, Steve
Wharton, James
White, Chris
Whitehead, Dr Alan
Wicks, rh Malcolm
Wiggin, Bill
Willetts, rh Mr David
Williams, Hywel
Williams, Mr Mark
Williams, Roger
Williams, Stephen
Williamson, Chris
Williamson, Gavin
Willott, Jenny
Wilson, Phil
Wilson, Mr Rob
Winnick, Mr David
Winterton, rh Ms Rosie
Woodcock, John
Woodward, rh Mr Shaun
Wright, David
Wright, Mr Iain
Wright, Jeremy
Wright, Simon
Yeo, Mr Tim
Young, rh Sir George
Zahawi, Nadhim

Tellers for the Noes:

Mr Philip Dunne and

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66% of Tories would vote to leave the EU

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A new YouGov poll shows a clear majority of voters in favour of leaving the EU: 52% want to leave, against only 30% who want to stay in.  Amongst Conservative voters, that ratio rises to 66 against 22 — a three-to-one majority.
The poll was commissioned by Nikki Sinclaire, a former UKIP MEP, now independent (and thus a standing monument to UKIP’s factionalism, which has seen several resignations from their MEP ranks).  Ms. Sinclaire may well have her own axe to grind — indeed she certainly does.  But nonetheless the poll was conducted by YouGov, no doubt with their usual impeccable professionalism, so I think we have to accept the result.
The poll also shows that 60% of the public (74% of Conservative voters) want an In/Out EU referendum, while only 25% (19% of Tories) don’t.
I put it to David Cameron some time ago that the great majority of Conservatives disagreed with his view that British membership of the EU was in our national interest, and that perhaps he as Party Leader ought to take this into account.  His reply was uncompromising: he didn’t want an In/Out referendum, because (again) he believed membership was in our national interest.
But you don’t have referenda merely to confirm your prejudices.  You have referenda to give the people their chance to have a say.  There’s something uncomfortably paternalistic in saying, in effect “I won’t let you have your say on this question, because you disagree with my settled opinion, and I happen to know that I’m right and you’re wrong”.

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So who can we vote for to get a referendum? We cant vote UKIP because we know that will just split the tory vote & we will get the lunatics back in the asylum wrecking the country even more than they did during their last 13 years of tenure. We have the signatures to force a debate in the house but pound to a penny the whips will be out if there is ever any kind of a serious debate followed by an actual vote that allows the citizens to have their voices heard with a vote. The UK parliament is no better than Gadaffi or Mugabe when it comes to real democracy!
Comment by Joe Thorpe (@JoeThorpe1963)

There’s me thinking I lived in a democracy, the wikipedia definition of which is:
“Democracy is a form of government in which all people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives”
Comment by tonyegghead

Hi,
silly fellow – we shoot, bomb, maim and kill people in sovereign foreign Nations to force such a concept upon them.
The are obliged to accept OUR definition of a democracy down the barrel of a gun or be killed.
Britain on the otherhand is denied such a concept as it would overturn the corruption that is managed and controlled by the self serving politicians and their parasites.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

sign the petiton for a eu referendum http://www.haveyoursay.eu
Comment by Josh O’Nyonsosdh

… and you are still a Conservative? Funny how he was most insistent that we had a right to a referendum BEFORE the election.
http://eyetube.me/play.php?vid=360
Comment by Sue

Roger, given Cameron’s response, what have you actually done about it? If nothing so far, what are you actually going to do about it?
This blog post appears to be nothing more than another ‘tick in the box’, the latest in a long line of gestures that do nothing other than convince your supporters you are ‘sound’ on the EU subject. More people are beginning to ask, to coin a phrase, where’s the beef?
You like to highlight and explain things, so why not post a piece on here explaining to your supporters why you are comfortable with Conservative MPs who claim to be opposed to our EU membership voting in favour of integrationist measures in the House?
Are they just a faction, or are all Tories completely untrustworthy and impotent when it comes to doing what the people they represent want them to do?
Comment by Autonomous Mind

I’m somewhat taken aback by what comes across as a very aggressive attitude towards Roger.
You are referring to Roger supporting Chris Heaton-Harris and his initiative to promote an anti-EU group amongst tory MPs. You shot from the hip then without bothering to check your facts – are you now embarrassed by your journalistic failure and doing whatever you can to paper over the cracks?
I have in the past had respect for your blog – but I’m losing that, fast.
What exactly do you suppose Roger can do? It’s a matter of record that Roger has lost the whip in the past for his stance. He is a conscience politician who is not afraid to speak it like it is. But he’s not superman!
What should be obvious to you right now is that Cameron and Osborne do not listen to anybody so why moan at Roger because he hasn’t persuaded them to change their mind? What can he do that you can’t? Why haven’t you as an influential political blogger forced Cameron into an EU referendum? Where, Autonomous Mind, is your beef?
Comment by tonyegghead

Thanks for the chuckle Tony. I don’t know what exactly I’m supposed to be embarrassed about but I certainly haven’t got my facts wrong, as demonstrated by the stir this has caused in some Eurosceptic circles.
I expect Roger, as an elected and lavishly remunerated representative with all his democratic legitimacy, to further the wishes of the people who elected him because they want the UK to leave the EU. Instead he is supporting the Whip-inspired initiative of George Eustice and Chris Heaton-Harris – two MPs who do not want the UK to leave the EU, because they cling to the delusion that the EU can be reformed and that we should remain within it and further integrate with it. Does that policy sound familiar to you? It should, it is David Cameron’s.
So, how does Roger’s support for the Eustice / Heaton-Harris agenda square with his public pronouncements about being Better Off Out of the EU? On that we still await a definitive answer.
I make no apology for scrutinising the actions of our MPs and MEPs and comparing them to their pledges in an frank and open manner. If that causes you to lose respect for me or my blog then I shall have to live with the disappointment.
Roger cannot have it both ways. If he supports this new Tory ‘mainstream Eurosceptic’ grouping as he has said he does then he is advocating an approach to the EU that runs counter to the BOO position. Genuine Eurosceptics, those who want the UK to leave the EU, need to know and understand that.
Comment by Autonomous Mind

I was about to reply, but Tony Egghead did already! You ask why I didn’t post a blog about the position of Tory MPs — but of course I did. Perhaps you didn’t read it? Se “True Believers”.
Comment by Roger Helmer MEP

Roger, this is what your government has approved and given permission for.
http://www.parker-joseph.com/pjcjournal/2011/08/31/esm-treaty-eu-commission-mafia-at-work/
You have to admit, this is corruption of democracy on a massive scale
Comment by Sue

Hi,
although you still boast of your status as a EUrosceptic as tolerated by your corrupt Party in the certain knowledge of your lack of achievement over many years perhaps as a Plastic EUrosceptic acting as a Judas Goat for the Tory pro EU membership stance – in complete variance with its own voters – you would be so good as to provide the URL of the stance of which you boast.
Having not read it clearly you are correct – I read very little of your output as I am well aware, sadly, of how irrelevant and duplicitous you are in the battle to Leave-The-EU. Having achieved absolutely nothing at vast cost in over 12 years as the record shows.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

This is, as Autonomous Mind outlines, simply a gesture, nothing more. Cameron needs to feel as though he will be debased at the next election, come on, after all this is supposed to be the ruthless Conservative party, behave like it!
Let him know that he will have the core support until then, but at the next election it’s time for heads to roll, a fresh cabinet or, like Sinclaire (who is quite an example of UKIP right now, everyone out for themselves – Farage is especially under the cosh) go it alone and only lend support when it meets your needs.
Conservatism is lost right now, you’re in power (how could you not be) but you’re not at the same time. That cabal of members pushing for a vote are mostly up and coming future front line Tories, but that’s not soon enough, they need as much support as possible and while you are “just” and MEP you could support them in debasing Cameron.
Oh and give my regards to that turncoat Bannerman.
Comment by Tony

How come politicians in government never seem to feel the breeze of public opinion wafting around their heads?
I am fascinated by the fact that oft times, said public opinion when as forceful as this, turns out to be right.
Let’s face it, is it likely that so many people could be wrong?
It only takes someone to formulate and present a plan for the safe and economically acceptable withdrawal of England (the UK?) from the EU and there would be even fewer dissenters to the idea of a referendum on the subject and fewer people who want to be European.
Comment by Heather Alibakir

Hi,
I wonder howmany remember the ‘trustees’ in Auschwitz – as Jews aiding their captors they survived for as long as they willingly filled and emptied the the ‘showers’ and the incinerators.
Perhaps they were hoping that the SS would have a change of heart in 40 or so years time!
It is now over 40 years since we first heard the mantra that ‘we mustn’t startle the horses’ and ‘we can change the party’.
I wonder howmany others see something of a similarity!
The Tories even came up with the ludicrous slogan:
‘In EUrope but not ruled by Europe’.
I expect many of the ‘trustees’ had their cantors chanting:
‘In the gas chamber but not breathing’, for them!
Perhaps Helmer would care to tell us all EXACTLY what he has achieved in his 12 years as a Judas Goat.
We are all well aware of the very generous bribes and expenses he has received for doing his JOB in those 12 years.
Clearly he has utterly failed to convince EUroRealists, he has duped very few Eurosceptics and it is self evident that he and his cronies have achieved absolutely nothing to Leave-The-EU.
Unable to convince their own side it is hardly surprising they have failed to convince anyone else!
It is our own politicos and their hirelings and parasites in the Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy who are the Looters and OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Mr. Helmer,
You say that many Euro-sceptics do not have a strategy. That is a rather insightful point.
So, what is yours? Do you support an In/Out Referendum? Is failure to provide for one a resigning issue?
At what point will you say no mas on Tory-led EU integration? What measures do you have planned? What strategic alternatives do you have?
From where I type, I suspect the exact same criticism can be leveled at you, but I will await your response(s).
Comment by Dead Dog Bounce

Forlorn as the hope may appear, there’s a better chance of getting a Tory government to see sense on Europe than is the case with any other party. You may say it takes a long time to achieve chnage — it also seems to be taking a long time to elect a single UKIP MP to Westminster! I think the prospects of change are better now than they have been for years, with the euro disintegrating and public opinion turning ever more strongly against the EU.
And in reply to the GLW — no, Greg, I’m not a Nazi goat. And I think that over the last dozen years I, along with others, have done much to educate the public about the evils of Brussels, so I don’t consider my time or effort wasted.
Comment by Roger Helmer MEP

Hi,
Helmer it is irrefutable that you are dishonest.
Nowhere did I EVER accuse you of being a ‘Nazi’ Goat.
Disgusting as I may find the views of ‘Nazis’ they were at least honourable. They believed something, all be it disgusting, and they acted accordingly.
You clearly do not understand the origins of the nomenclature which I attributed to you which was ‘Judas Goat’ which has absolutely nothing to do with ‘Nazis’.
Perhaps a brief scan of history and you will become aware that the great changes for the better in the ranks of mankind have NEVER been politically led – They have, almost without exception been forced upon the self serving politicians by the wishes, demands and actions of the people.
The morality of the people has almost without exception been the catalyst to overturn the corruption and betrayal of the self enriching politicians.
I and it seems the majority in these United Kingdoms who have not been drugged to apathy or given up and think only of themselves do not share your quite idiotic belief that there is any chance whatever that the congestion of self seekers in westminster of whatever stripe will act honourably in the interests of these United kingdoms and its people and Leave-The-EU it is our own politicians who are OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN for sadly the system is designed to protect the corrupt status quo and in that static state clearly scum rises!
You may duck and weave but ultimately you can not hide from the fact that you have been greatly enriched from the public purse and you have delivered absolutely nothing of consequence – you have not one inch of movement towards the wishes of the electorate to Leave-The_EU.
So far you have duplicitously insulted and tried to defame me and dishonestly misquoted me – I await your next political stunt to avoid answering the questions on this thread and on this topic.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Roger, as I’ve said before and the article above only reinforces my opinion, that Cameron is in fact , a wet Liberal in his views and actions . Where are the Churchills and Thatchers of this world to tell this Franco / German club to go to hell ?
Comment by James A. Hutchinson

So 66% of tories wish to leave the EU then. Hardly a overwhelming national mandate aside from your insular and devisive party is it.
No I am not a Europhile as it happens but neither do I believe that your unionist, royalist and ‘the rich get richer at the poors expense’ capitalist policies are the answer for or England either.
The sooner we extract ourselves from both Evil Unions the better for the future of England and her people.
Comment by englishliberationfront

Hi,
sorry to be picky but 66% is an overwhelming majority in a given group.
52% is a clear majority when that against the 52% is an accurately polled and researched 30% only.
That Governments are elected with a mere 25% or less of the electorate and can be elected in a fair democracy by 1% or even a single vote must be noted.
I would contend your comment to be a strawman argument – as with the idiotic idea of breaking up these United Kingdoms is clearly ill conceived and crass in every respect.
As shown by the very reasons they came together – unlike The EU which is unlawful and founded on a pack of lies, a lack of democracy and an arcane and now failed experiment.
There is no middle way and Britain will Leave-The-EU not if but when – interestingly the politician who leads us out will be long remembered after the snivelling dweebs who betray us and their Judas Goats hidden behind Plastic EUrosceptic claims and efforts to change the meaning to suit their Aesopian agenda of treachery.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

So 44% of Tories don’t and probably a majority of the combined other parities. Don’t you just love democracy?
Comment by Lazarus

Hi,
indeed democracy is wonderful – would that we had it in Britain where the poll clearly showed that only 30% of the populace of all parties and none would vote in favour of membership of The EU and 52% said they would actively vote against.
Where 66% of those who actually voted Tory said they would vote to Leave-The-EU.
I trust this helps you to understand the importance of the concept of democracy which we are denied yet which Mr. Cameron has proved happy to slaughter and maim Libyans to POSSIBLY achieve in what was Africas stablest, most literate major Country with its free health service, education for all, sound housing stock and clean water for all with petrol at 14c a GALLON.
All achieved under the rule and guidance of Qaddaffi.
Indeed isn’t democracy a wonderful concept and you might care to consider the economic plight and the choir of castrati at Westminster since we surrendered our democracy and permitted the obscene and arcane failed experiment that is the undemocratic centralised dictatorial EU to rule us directly.
Sadly the Tory Party has permitted a claque of Judas Goats to lead the sheeple into the belief that they are in some way EUrosceptic because they want to be in The EU and tweak it a bit whilst 66% of their electorate wish unequivocally to Leave-the-EU and thus it is clear that those who support The Tories from within and are tolerated are OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN – numerous of them fulfilling the role of Judas Goats as Plastic Pretend EUrosceptic.
They are of course required, and aided by the party, as thus the public may be duped. Thick as many of these Judas Goats are I can not for a moment believe that Roger Helmer, Dan Hannan, Carswell, Chris Heaton-Harris or even ex Open EUrope ex UKIP little George EUstace are so thick they do not know the role they are allowed to take and aid in in return for their bribes and expenses.
Could it be hubris, arrogance and self interest that is the venal motivation for such betrayal of these United k
Kingdoms?
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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It’s worth reading Garrison Keillor’s hilarious book “Lake Wobegone Days”, if only for the very perceptive chapter on the small protestant denomination in which he was raised.  I recognise the scenario, as I was raised in a rather similar one.  Such groups are riven with factionalism and schism.  Each faction has some slightly different (but vital) alternative interpretation of Holy Writ, and the divisions become smaller and smaller, even within families, until you have the impression that each adherent is convinced that he is the only true believer, and that all the others are suspect one way or another.
Sadly, the Eurosceptic movement in Britain is rather similar.  Too many eurosceptics spend their time sniping at each other, rather than turning their guns on the real enemy, which in this case is Brussels.
I was alerted by my indomitable press officer Neelam Cartmell to a web-site called Autonomous Mind, which appears to be of the UKIP persuasion, and has a host of contributors eager to attack Conservative Eurosceptics who clearly (in their terms) are not Eurosceptics at all, but part of a great Tory plot to burnish sceptical credentials whilst pursuing an integrationist policy.  Autonomous Mind (AM), by the way, is said to “disdain Nigel Farage” — illustrating my point about factionalism and schism.
AM had published an “Open letter to Roger Helmer MEP”, which had attracted some angry comment.  But at least Mr. AM invited me to respond — so I did.  You may be amused by some of my replies.
Bellvue alleged that Roger Helman (sic) MEP was a cowardly shit.  “I recognise neither the name Roger Helman, nor the appellation “cowardly shit”, so I think you must be engaged in a different conversation”.
Brian H asserted that all politicians were liars: “Unlike George Washington, I would not claim that I’d never told a lie.  But I would say that I have never knowingly dissembled about any political question: indeed if you had followed my career you would know that I am in constant trouble for too much straight talking”.
David Phipps insisted we all knew that repatriation (of powers from Brussels) would never happen:   I certainly don’t “know that repatriation will never happen”.  There is a head of steam building up in the parliamentary party.  It has been commented on by, amongst others, Tim Montgomerie, who has his ear to the ground.  We now have the European Union Act which prescribes a referendum in specific circumstances.  Those circumstances could arise with the proposed new arrangements for a euro-debt-union.  I don’t think Cameron can move at this stage without upsetting the Coalition — and therefore the fiscal recovery plan.  But he could do so before the next election.
Jeremy Poynton asks “Exactly who do you represent?”.    I think you mean “whom”.  I represent about 4.2 million people in the East Midlands, and I have been elected top of the list on three successive occasions — ‘99, ‘04, ‘09.  I think my democratic legitimacy probably exceeds that of most correspondents to AM.
Patrick Harris asks why politicians don’t sue the European Commission for breaches of EU law: I think your answer is that there is no realistic hope that the European Court of Justice would ever hand down a ruling opposed to European integration.  A court action would be a huge waste of time and money.  But of course if you think you have a case — there’s nothing to stop you bringing an action.
Jones “Do you at least agree that commentators on this blog have a point?”:  Indeed.  Many of the commentators have a point.  But I’m not sure that they have a strategy.
Uncle Badger rants: “Antipathy to the EU is rife …. If you are not willing to represent that view….”.  What do you imagine I have been doing for the last twelve years?  I’ve been expressing my antipathy to the EU in blogs, newsletters, Tweets, (@RogerHelmerMEP), web-sites; press releases, books, DVDs; on radio and TV; in the Conservative Party and in the European parliament!  You might check your facts before sounding off.  And you might note my earlier comments: too many Eurosceptics spend their time attacking each other, not attacking Brussels.
AM is said to disdain Nigel Farage: Sorry to hear that you regard Nigel Farage with disdain.  I have a lot of time for him.  A good guy.
John Payne argues that European integration in the Conservative Party is driven by the Whips: Interested by your theory that EU integration is driven by the Whips.  Last time I checked, the Chief Whip was Patrick McLoughlin MP — he’s on my patch and I certainly don’t see him as a fifth column for Brussels.
Finally, they ask, why do some eurosceptics in Westminster occasionally appear to support some integrationist measures?  Is it better to seek to move the Conservative Party in a Eurosceptic direction over time (which implies some compromise with Party policy), or to make one grand kamikaze gesture which rules you out of the action ever after, even though it gains the applause of Autonomous Mind?

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Roger, the main point is we’ve heard it all before. We are past the point of repatriating powers. We don’t believe it anymore. We want out. It’s quite simple.
Comment by Sue

[…] he has presented the exchanges of recent days on this blog to the readers of his blog.  This is how Helmer introduces his reply to AM readers who left comments for him in the Open Letter thread: Sadly, the Eurosceptic movement […]
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Sir you show the true arrogance that we the populace have grown to hate, you do not answer points made but as usual use emotive language to dismiss us as a fringe element,
I am quite sure there are many politicos who would like to get t as strong a vote as there was for a poll held by You Gov in favour to get out of Europe.
I never hear from any of you in power that convinces me what if any benefits we get from this fradulent body that the money we give could not be spent better here, in rebuilding this country.
Comment by maureen gannon

You criticise me — that’s OK. I reply — that’s “arrogant”. Seems I just can’t win — except in elections.
Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP

Somebody has to win the lottery as well … and the outcome is about as relevant. But if the ability to stuff your pockets with public dosh, and crow about it is a test of arrogance, you just passed the test.
Comment by Richard North

Sue, if there really is going to be a withdraw isn’t it time to be offering up the argued alternative. My impression is that this fight isn’t as clear cut as you suggest. The democratic process supports the E.U. far more than you might hope. Roger certainly isn’t the enemy, the road blocks are real and cannot be circumvented by any amount of wishful thinking. Getting ourselves out of this euro-black-hole isn’t going to be an overnight velvet revolution, it is going to be a long hard grind.
Comment by Ross J Warren

Ross, there will never be a right time to be offering a withdraw. Infact, the longer we leave this desperate situation, the less power and money we will have. I know Roger isn’t the enemy, I like Roger.
All we want is what we are entitled to. To be given a referendum. In or Out.
Anyone denying the British people that right, does not believe in the democratic process and any politician who advocates denying us that right, should not be in the British Government.
Comment by Sue

Thanks Sue. As I have said many times, I too want an In/Out referendum, and have been a main supporter of the Better Off Out campaign, through the Freedom Association. But I should also welcome a referendum on any other EU issue, if only to demonstrate the strength of feeling out there.
Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP

Mr Helmer, I hope you’re not implying that Eustice & Co are the way forward for the Conservative Party? How many more years would you have us listen to the opinions of focus groups, MEPs and MPs – each saying how much they dislike the EU construct, how it is anti-democratic, how it has undermined our national sovereignty? They seem to think that’s enough and it will keep people happy for a while. Well, it isn’t and it won’t.
Comment by Goodnight Vienna

The trouble is, Helmer, there is no such thing as a Tory Eurosceptic … merely Judas goats to lead the gullible into more integration.
Comment by Richard North

Sorry, Richard, but there is indeed such a thing as a Tory eurosceptic. Me, for example.
Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP

A contradiction in terms … which makes you the classic Judas goat, leading the gullible into the Tory fold. You go all the way with the sheep behind you … only to peel away at the last minute.
Comment by Richard North

Hi,
do you honestly believe your rhetoric and sales puff Helmer?
Richard is right.
Please tell us all of your actual achievements to extract these United Kingdoms from the malign grasp of The EU as a vassal region.
Minded of just how much in bribes and expenses you have achieved you do talk some total self serving venal twaddle!
But then again The Judas Goat is worth a great deal to the slaughter house.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

I have to say that your comments Roger reaffirm my belief that should the UK exit the EU it will be no thanks to the Tory Party.
I’ve fought our membership for over 25 years, and I’ve heard the same old tired words year in year out – “that the Tory party is eurosceptic, that voting Tory will help more eurosceptic MPs into Westminister etc etc”. All of it has proven to be completely untrue of course.
The Tories have been the most europhile party in history; they took us in on a lie (supported by Thatcher) passed the Single European Act, shadowed the ERM which led to the 90s recession, joined the ERM, passed the Maastricht, gave away our armed forces in the mid 90s to the EU and so on.
In my experience, when we get a Tory Government EU integration gets faster and goes further – a point you acknowledged yourself Roger:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2011/06/by-rogerhelmermep-eu-assurances-overturned-in-weeks.html
Put simply the Tory party wants more EU – its actions prove this time and time again whatever their weasel words try to suggest otherwise. A vote for the Tories is a vote for more EU integration. And I want no part of it.
Comment by TheBoilingFrog

The main point that Roger makes is actually spot on. We eurosceptics are a divide bunch, rather like those in the Life Of Brian – The Judean Front and the Front of Judea. If only a miracle would occur and we could be brought together into one strong organisation. Today we have several different petitions for a referendum on “In Or Out”. UKIP in particular is famous for the splits which have dogged it more or less from its inception. If all sceptics joined their local Conservative Party, they could have real influence. There are only two parties that can get us out of the EU, and of the two, I still think the Conservatives are the more likely.
Comment by Derek

I think our main problem is that the term “eurosceptic” has no precise definition, although I have always taken it to mean someone who wants to leave the EU. As such, we have a situation where many people who call themselves eurosceptics are not … and have a different agenda.
If, however, the essential definition requires a determination to leave the EU, then membership of the Conservative Party is incompatible with being a eurosceptic.
Further, it is not wise to assume that withdrawal will be achieved through or by a political party. Most fundamental changes are driven by movements, outside the party political machinery, with the political parties reacting to outside pressure rather than initiating the changes.
As such, it is important that eurosceptics should not compromise by being members of any parties which, quite clearly, do not share their values.
Comment by Richard North

As someone who objects to being called Eurosceptic. I always feel the need to add tank to the word, and apply it the the fraudelent body that is in Europe that subversivly rule us while pretending that the European regional government in Westminster is our governing body, I am not a sceptic tank as the word implies and not anti Europe I visit and enjoy often, the countries that are Europe, I am ANTI being ruled by an undemocratic fraudelent body which has aims to nuture this country and become a federal state called the U.S.S.E .
Comment by maureen gannon

I object to being called a Eurosceptic I always have the urge to add tank to the word and apply it to the fraudalent body in Brussels, I am not a sceptic tank, I am ANTI U.S.S.R
which is where that body wish to take us , with their Transaction tax European Maritime policy, the destruction of Royal Mail http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/post/index_en.htm
.none of this is ever reported in our media nor our government announcing the true reasons for what they do.
I just want out, Iceland has done it her own way has now a robust economy, so please don’t anyone tell me this country cannot stand on her own feet.
Comment by maureen gannon

Freudian slip . my post should read U.S.S.E. sorry about that
Comment by maureen gannon

If all “eurosceptics” (a fatuous term, as Richard North points out) joined the Monster Raving Looney Party, it would probably have an overall majority in Westminster at the next election.
More than 50% of the population are in favour of leaving the EU.
Joining an uninfluential level of a party with a record of deceit (vide “Cast Iron Promises”) would be a delusional course of action.
Tory Party delenda est
Comment by Dead Dog Bounce

The problem Derek is the people trying to create a supposedly strong organisation are the likes of Heaton-Harris, who has voted in favour of integrationist Bills in the House.
The main point is that we have people who have chuntered away for years, telling us theirs is the way forward, yet achieving nothing. Then we see them voting in faviour of the very things they tell the electorate they are against.
The Conservative Party is not democratic. Once elected there is no way to influence or direct its leader. He walks a pro-EU path as PM and the country sinks further into closer union.
Those in the Conservative Party with the real power do not want us to leave the EU. They allow some dissent, such as that from Roger, but nothing that goes too far for them – such as holding Cameron to account and forcing him out so the members can elect someone else. Not that it would make any difference.
The power brokers hold sway no matter what the members want or think, which is why so many have turned away from the party and left politics. The party, like the country, exists in a feudal system where a clique call the shots and the rest are ignored on the sidelines.
Comment by Autonomous Mind

Why should we have had to think about forming a party, I was niave, [along with many others] enough to believe Mr Chamelon, that we would be given a vote on any likely- hood of more sovereignty being lost, and yet we are not being given one on the transaction tax ,or the fact that the fraudelent body that rules us from Brussels wants an Integrated maritime policy, that England is being regionalised at the behest of europe via the ‘We are all in it together localism bill,
any of those should give us the promised referendum I admit to being duped , the man is slick of tongue much like the snake oil sellers in the wild west . well he won’t suck me in again and there are many like me .
Comment by maureen gannon

Hi,
the true looters are the very politicians who draw their huge bribes (the pretend it is a salary for work when they do none of consequence!), fiddle their expenses, defend their drinking chums when caught.
Look at the serried ranks of bloated over paid Local Government parasites, QUANGO chiefs and Government advisers (brothers in law etc.) and meeeja consultants.
These are the true looters OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN whilst yet more serried ranks of Judges, politicians, vicars, teachers, BBC staff, social service workers and the like who when convicted AND FOUND GUILTY of child abuse walk free!
Is the abuse of children nothing more than a perk of Government employment?
Even the likes of Roger Helmer might care to tell us all what actual achievements he has to his name as a Politician, in return for the many £Millions he has accepted as funding/bribes from the scam.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Hi,
this is of course the chap who defended Tom Wise and his criminality, publicly attacking me for my temerity in exposing the fraud and embezzling by his drinking chum. Just as did UKIP leadership in ever more dishonest terms – Nigel Farage even lied on TV to protect Tom Wise and himself.
Where does Patriotism enter into such self interest?
Some may remember when drinking in a pub in Belgium, with a young girl from The NoTW, that Roger Helmer was filmed seeking ways to have his home relocated in mapping terms so that he could claim even more expenses.
This may be the practice within the many globalist corporations for whom he worked prior to moving to politics!
He even admits to 3 terms as an MEP when we have seen not one inch of movement to the exit, but a great deal of self enrichment by the likes of Roger Helmer seemingly with his chums Farage, Tom Wise, Daniel Hannan – all too willing to act as The Judas Goat.
It is hard to differentiate between the levels of betrayal of the huge majority of our MPs and that of almost all of our MEPs and minded of how little they have achieved it is clearly a grossly overpaid job with absolutely no ethics and less integrity required.
Sad that so many lives have been given in defence of our liberty and a huge amount of faith has been placed in our MPs and MEPs who almost to a man seem to have betrayed these United Kingdoms.
The great tragedy is the huge amount of lives this will cost in the wars of disassociation that are increasingly inevitable because of OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Sorry Roger , Yes you do win but then you must admit there are more who do not vote than do, and winning a seat can often mean the area is traditional to a certain party,
I now feel disenfranchised and dissalusioned, I will still go to the voting booth as I know women died for me to do so, and not to be given the label apathetic which I am not, but it will be a spoilt paper untill politico’s learn not just to listen but to hear. what we are saying.
Comment by maureen gannon

Hi,
Ms. Gannon is right but also overlooks the skills of The Judas Goat who can dupe the sheep to lead them into the slaughter house.
The goat is well rewarded for betraying the sheep.
We need only look at the proliferation of petitions to see how the Judas Goats will act to seek to undermine the efficacy of a petition on behalf of their real masters viz. Dan Hannan.Mark Glendenning’s copy cat petition when they couldn’t run the original one.
UKIP’s petition out of spite when Nikki Sinclaire’s was having such success.
UKIP launches petitions but has NEVER delivered save it seems money into the accounts of the few!
Now we have a Tory spoiler for the Tory BOO campaign!
The Tories like Labour will tell ANY lie to stay in place they even surrendered power to our competitors/enemies The EEC in return for the pretence of retaining power/income!
Westminster is nothing more than an EU QUANGO.
Like the directors of QUANGOs overpaid as part of the Kleptocracy and of no meaningful value.
The sickening lies of the politicians and their parasites in the pretence they work for us! What unmitigated balderdash!
But The Judas Goat is well rewarded as OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Despite all your protestations Roger, you have to basically admit that AM is right. You and your fellow ‘europsceptic MEP’s or MP’s have actually achieved NOTHING as far as getting this country out of Europe. Some of your ‘eurosceptic’ colleagues have actually voted FOR further integration with the EU – I mean, just how ‘eurosceptic’ is that.
Actions speak louder than words Roger.
Your actions and those of your colleagues tell me everything I need to know.
Comment by rapscallion

My actions consist of a dozen years of my life spent largely campaigning against British membership of the EU. Do you have a problem with that?
Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP

In truth, you are not and never have been campaigning against British membership of the EU … just membership of the EU in the form it currently takes. You would be perfectly happy with a “reformed” EU, which means there is not a fag paper between you and Cameron.
However, since the “reform” on which you set out your stall is never going to happen, you have a comfortable sinecure which will keep you happily occupied for the rest of your natural, without actually achieving anything. Your main activity, therefore, is to act as a recruiting sergeant for the Tory Party ,,, which is why you are tolerated.
Comment by Richard North

Your analogy is a good one. It appears that there are many splits and factions in Christendom, but in reality there is only one, which has been fought over since the 1st century. Finally it was clarified in the Reformation period when we were left with one split. Those who accepted the authority of scripture and those who nibbled around the edges of it. Many denominations have differences of opinion over unimportant matters, but come under the one umbrella of those who accept the authority of scripture. That is the real split.
So with the EU. There are many factions, as you highlight, but in reality there is only one split. Those who think the EU can be reformed from within and those who have looked at the lessons of history and realise that it is not reformable, as far as its basic tenets are concerned. The split is, in reality, between those that want out (Withdrawalists?) and those that want to work within the EU for change (Europhiles).
I admire much of your work, but feel that you have misunderstood this basic problem. I have heard broken promise after broken promise from the Conservative Party, since their election, to the point where I find the Party almost totally untrustworthy. I’m sure I don’t need to list them here.
You say “Many of the commentators have a point.  But I’m not sure that they have a strategy.” That seems to be sadly true but that does not mean that trying to reform the EU from within is not total folly. I don’t find the UKIP Strategy very sensible at the moment, but it is far far better than that of the Conservative Party. The EU will collapse one day as all totalitarian regimes do, so the sooner we are out of it the better.
and “ Is it better to seek to move the Conservative Party in a Eurosceptic direction over time (which implies some compromise with Party policy), or to make one grand kamikaze gesture which rules you out of the action ever after, even though it gains the applause of Autonomous Mind?” Anyone who has studied the history of the EU since 1918, and much of its history is based on between the wars thinking, knows that there is no “Eurosceptic direction”. The choice is IN or OUT, Withdrawlist or Europhile. There is no middle ground.
These points are well worth arguing and discussing. It is just a shame that some resort to personal attacks. That is not necessary.
Comment by Alfred

Since 1972 OUT NOW, Total Exit without equivocation, no ands, ifs or buts
Comment by harry Beckhough

Hi,
how very right Harry – there is no middle way, there is no acceptable reform.
The EU is an obscenity, unlawful, morally repugnant and sadly having sold out to participation our politicians sell out their conciences with cowardly phrases like ‘don’t frighten the horses’ and ‘softly softly catche monkey’ and other gutless irresponsibility.
OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN have betrayed us and will do anything to cover their tracks.
Every hour we remain a party to this squalid construct is a moral cost and an additional day of struggle to reinstate our liberty and any meaningful concept of democracy.
Politicians make much of their legitimacy – yet governments come to power with 22% of the vote.
MPs have almost zero legitimacy MEPs have none – they are professional liars giving legitimacy to corruption in reward for the bribes.
They are The JUDAS GOAT.
They are the LOOTERS stealing from the public in return for their own self serving self important puffed up self importance and self enrichment.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Greg, It saddens me to have to agree with you,but I do and would add as I watched them pontificating on and in the media about the rioters and broken Britain I felt like flight testing the TV across the room.
We had people who have been proven guilty talking in a condecending way of “These people” [the looters],
I watched the Murdoch debacle unfold with Tom Watson playing the highly moral act, when all I could think of was this man claimed “But I was within the rules maximum £4,800 allowance for food in a single year. From 2005-2009, Watson and Iain Wright claimed over £100,000 on the apartment they share. and my thoughts left the debate and could only think , this is crooks judging crooks.
The Books for Europe have not been audited for years if that was a business the fraud squad would be there looking at the books, as I see it all those living the high life in that body are guilty for allowing this to happen let’s face it Kinnock was paid to sort it out haha he has ended up a Lord on £400 a day attendance money and a millionaire . the books still unaudited and still corrupt.
Comment by maureen gannon

Hi,
here is an interesting message regarding the You Gov Poll commissioned by The Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire whilst the rest of the MEPs were on holiday and as she presented her Petition for an In/Out EU Referendum having obtained over 100,000 signatures.
Signatures obtained despite the fact of the many Judas Goats urinating on the bushes to try to mark out a territory and save themselves the embarrassment of being shown for indolent self serving, smug, arrogant parasites gorging themselves at the expense of their country with their paid newspaper columns, funded lecture tours and other scams for self enrichment.
I gather the You Gov Poll has been sent to every single Tory MEP who are quite clearly self serving arrogant fools.
NOT ONE was democratically elected they were merely the only choice offered in a corrupt list system.
The message I gave to all Tory MEPs
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:40:41 +0200
From: nikki.sinclaire@europarl.europa.eu
To: charles.tannock@europarl.europa.eu; syed.kamall@europarl.europa.eu; marina.yannakoudakis@europarl.europa.eu; martin.callanan@europarl.europa.eu; robert.atkins@europarl.europa.eu; sajjad.karim@europarl.europa.eu; jacqueline.foster@europarl.europa.eu; timothy.kirkhope@europarl.europa.eu; roger.helmer@europarl.europa.eu; emma.mcclarkin@europarl.europa.eu; philip.bradbourn@europarl.europa.eu; malcolm.harbour@europarl.europa.eu; geoffrey.vanorden@europarl.europa.eu; robert.sturdy@europarl.europa.eu; vicky.ford@europarl.europa.eu; david.campbellbannerman@europarl.europa.eu; daniel.hannan@europarl.europa.eu; richardjames.ashworth@europarl.europa.eu; nirj.deva@europarl.europa.eu; james.elles@europarl.europa.eu; giles.chichester@europarl.europa.eu; julie.girling@europarl.europa.eu; ashley.fox@europarl.europa.eu; kay.swinburne@europarl.europa.eu; struan.stevenson@europarl.europa.eu; james.nicholson@europarl.europa.eu
Dear Colleagues,
I trust you had a good summer break.
You may have missed a YouGov poll that I commissioned a few weeks ago that showed for the first time a clear majority of the UK population (52%) wish to leave the EU with only 30% who would vote to stay in.
The question was independently set by YouGov. Please find attached the YouGov report.
As you embark on your parliamentary work you might wish to consider:
The breakdown from Conservative voters.
74% want a referendum
and
66% would vote to leave the EU
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Regards
Nikki Sinclaire MEP
I trust this is of help to readers in the couse of identifying The Judas Goats that betray us in The Tory Party – OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN.
We still await the exact details of achievement towards LEAVING The EU that Roger Helmer claims for all his huff and puff and arrogant, smug self satisfaction.
EXACTLY what has YOUR Total failure cost the tax payers in bribes/salary and expenses for we seem no closer to the exit than when you first opened your EUI accounts and having failed to deliver honestly or competently started to stuff your accounts obtained under false pretences just like your chums elected to Leave-The-EU and minded 66% of ALL Tory voters wish to Leave-The-EU.
It does seem Helmer that you are just another oleaginous and duplicitous Judas Goat.
Indeed as YOU stated:
>>”Seems I just can’t win — except in elections.”<<
May I remind you Helmer YOU did not win an election – Your Party did, you are just a cypher.
Do also be minded that 66% of those votes wish to Leave-The-EU in what way would you claim your party/vehicle has acquitted its duty to the electorate?
Is it any wonder that the society has little but contempt for those looters like yourself and other parasitic fat cats drawing down huge amounts of money in return for their abject failure and thus betrayal.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

To Greg_L_W
Having read your responses to various people on this blog I see that you believe that the UK should withdraw from the EU. I also note that you believe Mr Helmer, all the Conservative, UKIP, Labour and other MEPs are “Judas Goats” who believe in remaining in the EU and taking it money and con the British electorate. There appears to be, in your view, only one MEP, Nikki Sinclair, who is not in that category ( and hence a true honest etc Withdrawalist). Is this a fair assessment of your view?
Comment by I vow to thee my Country

Hi,
You will note Helmer says:
>>Finally, they ask, why do some eurosceptics in Westminster occasionally appear to support some integrationist measures? Is it better to seek to move the Conservative Party in a Eurosceptic direction over time (which implies some compromise with Party policy), or to make one grand kamikaze gesture which rules you out of the action ever after, even though it gains the applause of Autonomous Mind?My actions consist of a dozen years of my life spent largely campaigning against British membership of the EU. Do you have a problem with that?<<
YEP – may I quote Einstein who said ‘To keep repeating the same experiment over and over again and expect a different result is a sign of madness’.
A measure of just how much of a spectacular failure you have been is the irrefutable fact that you can lay claim not one single material achievement in a dozen years that has moved us closer to leaving.
Furthermore it is clear from AM’s, richard North and your own blog that you have totally failed to convince your own side that you are anything other than a self serving Judas Goat along with Nigel Farage, dan Hannan, Carswell, Eustace and the rest of the parasites feeding from the political troughs – The true Looters in our society!
OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN
Are we to congratulate you all on making a great deal from the public purse yet achieving the sum total of diddly squat!
Is it any wonder politicians are held in such contempt?
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Is that the Greg Lance Watkins I used to know? The one whose speciality is wholly destructive and negative abuse, who has no positive contribution to make on any issue?
Comment by Roger Helmer MEP

By which rhetorical device does Helmer avoid answering or dealing with any of the points raised … typical politician’s trick. Just keep repeating the mantra, Helmer … as long as you believe it, everything is right in the world … your world.
Comment by Richard North

Hi,
how embarrassing for you and there is even a picture of you.
Your only defence of your behaviour is to attack a voter!
You have over the last 12 years trousered several £Million to act to Leave-The-EU and you have as proven achieved the sum total of nothing in return for your money.
I on the other hand have raised the issue in many areas and deliberately sought to undermine the corruption of politicians like yourself, and have at every opportunity denounced membership of The EU and done all I possibly can to Leave-The-EU and I have not received one penny piece from the public purse for acquitting my duty as I see it.
Now we have a self serving old fraud who has made what to almost all of his electorate is a fortune out of the achievement of absolutely nothing that can be shown to have moved us one inch closer to Leave-The-EU.
If Helmer you lack the integrity to apologise there will be many more who will view you as an outrageous self serving fraud.
Serving an utterly fraudulent system and fraudulently upholding a fraudulent political party – presumably for your continued self enrichment and arrogant puffed up pomposity.
Shame on you.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Greg
and the answer to my question is?
Comment by I vow to thee my Country

Hi,
MEA CULPA
Sorry I missed your question.
The simple answer to your question is NO.
You are wrong, in that I do not believe ALL Tories etc. to be Plastic EUroSceptics nor Judas Goats.
Many are openly declared in their betrayal of these United Kingdoms, our people, our Constitution, our values, our justice system and our future.
Thus clearly they are incapable of fulfilling the role of Judas Goats.
EUroScepticism that has so little understanding as to genuinely seek to fob of the public with the sham belief that the EU can be constructively changed have clearly not read the treaties nor considered the undemocratic nature of the top down committee led dictatorship.
Those that have and still continue with this pretence merely add credibility to the dishonest scam.
I hope this clearly answers your question.
I do look forward to clear answers to the questions Roger Helmer has been asked and clarification of how he is able to refute the claim he is a Plastic EUrosceptic who has been highly paid and has delivered absolutely no visible achievement and in supporting the concept of ‘reform’ within The EU is thus acting as a Judas Goat.
That his ONLY attempt at answering the questions put to him has been to dishonourably obfuscate and attack a voter in fact gives great credence to my assertions.
I do however expect him to be able to round up his many chums and parasites feeding off his EU generated income to be able to tell us all what a wonderfull little chappy he is and how heinous I am.
That is no answer nor justification for his behaviour and merely becomes more convincing.
If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to ask them.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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Comment by Greg_L-W.

Having known Roger for over a decade, it is laughable to suggest that he is anything other than a dedicated, committed and real-deal Euroskeptic. He may not be more Catholic than the Pope, but he’s done a fine job in Brussels for over a decade now. He’s a thorn in the side of the Eurocrats and a major irritant to the jerk-circle of Europhile MEPs who sit in the Brussels chamber. Those folks who genuinely believe that we’re better off out (including me) should use their energies attacking the real targets….there’s enough of them
Comment by Eastmids

Hi,
congratulations on attacking the real targets but since you hide your identity no doubt you will forgive us all for not noticing.
You will however note that Roger Helmer is merely, as you put it, a thorn in the side of, frankly for the huge amount of money he has garnered over 12years is the thorn an adequate response.
Particularly a plastic thorn that lends credence to the Tory Party which has absolutely no interest in Leaving The EU despite 66% of its own voters wishing to leave.
For the many £Millions invested in these Plastic EUrosceptics approved by the whips one would expect by now that we would have material progress towards leaving the EU.
In a business world they would have been fired years ago but since this is neither a business world nor a democracy as it functions on protective lists and the dishonest PR system they are likely to be able to remain and play the role of Judas Goats to protect the party and its ambitions to keep its snout in the trough.
Attacking The EU is of course utterly pointlesss as it is structured to ensure it is impervious – far more effective to attack OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN – our own politicians, civil servants and their parasites who are betraying these United Kingdoms.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Dear Mr Helmer,
I notice that “goat” has been mentioned with reference to you by several posters. At least, nobody has called you an “old goat”! (Be thankful for small mercies).
I do not think that you are a faux eurosceptic. Rather you have swum against the tide for a number of years and the tide is beginning to turn, not only in the UK but throughout the EU.
The real problem is can we make a credible alternative to the EU that will gain political traction? Leaving the EU tomorrow is a policy similar to solving the energy crisis by inventing a simple, cheap method of turning water into petrol.
How can we disengage from the EU? I find the idea of a two speed EU being supported by George Osborne very significant. Since we are not, and unlikely to become, members of the Eurozone, a process of gradual disengagement is a practical policy – never let a good crisis go to waste. Naturally, we must be seen to fully support the EU as a whole in its moment of crisis, but as members of the slow lane we should gently disengage.
Comment by Richard Saumarez

Hi,
please permit me the temerity to correct you.
In the reading of this entire thread, nowhere have I seen anyone call Roger Helmer a “goat” be it young or old.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

The substantial fact is that we, the voters, have been given no plebiscite on an EU government. And yet piecemeal our government is being handed over to Brussels.
When will you politicians understand that British sovereignty was never yours to give away? Cameron even acknowledged this implicitly when he promised a referendum on the EU Constitution. But such a pledge is worthless if the same document can be kept in substance but simply given a new name.
So you can have a “mass debate” about the finer points of religion and semantics. But after decades of deceit, perhaps you will forgive the rest of us for attaching more weight to substance and to your actions (i.e. how you actually vote) than to your words.
Comment by phil mill

Hi,
how right you are.
It seems that to the question ‘when is a lie not a lie’ it would seem the answer is when it is an untruth told by some liar we fund as a politician!
They even have their own Aesopian word for their dishonesty ‘dissembling’ why when everyone understands it to be a lie?
We currently have a Conservative Government, parasites not withstanding, having resoundingly dumped the crass incompetence and lies of Labour and much of the vote garnered was on the ‘Cast Iron Promise’ by the David Cameron and endorsed by his followers.
The man reneged and even draw succour from Plastic EUrosceptics acting as Judas Goats to lead the sheeple to the slaughter.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
Comment by Greg_L-W.

Eastmids. In reply to your message concerning Mr Helmer’s sincerity about europe and the fact he may be a thorn in their sides but none of this is reflected in the actions in what is derisably called the British government , so if Mr Helmar cannot answer the question he has been asked many times, perhaps you can answer, is there one thorn that he has used, that has stopped the EU from gaining more power that once belonged to us the people, because every piece of sovereignty that is given away without our consent is stolen from us the people,
For instance what thorns will be used to stop our royal post being taken over by either the Dutch or the Germans, what thorn will prevent the EUSSR inflicting their Maritime policy on us,and most importantly what thorn will be used to stop the Transaction Tax? I do hope you can answer me as not one politico has ever given an answer just their normal politic mumbo jumbo.
Comment by maureen gannon

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#0511* – UKIP Starts Another Slush Fund

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#0511* – UKIP Starts Another Slush Fund
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The beauty of bucket collections for a ‘slush fund’ is that you never have to account for the money.

Just like Ashford, Off shore trusts, unregistered lotteries, collections at meetings, money stolen from The EU for petitions that UKIP never held, frauds by David Bannerman, Stuart Agnew, Derek Clark, Tom Wise, Graham Booth, Nigel Farage, Jeffrey Titford etc.

Lets face it bucket collections by UKIP MEPs their parasites and The P.I.G.S. at the troughs on the Gravy Train have proved hugely helpful.

Personally I do not believe the P.I.G.S., Parasites, M.E.Ps., or leadership hangers on in UKIP should be allowed to go Free after the huge damage they have done to our only viable lifeboat that we had all had such hopes for over the many years they have asked for our support.
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