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FOR THE RECORD – A STATEMENT OF FACTS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/10/2013

FOR THE RECORD – A STATEMENT OF FACTS

Hi,

For the record – despite the obfuscation, dissembling and outright lies of those trying to hide the truth about UKIP, as it is – It is of absolutely no consequence how many read this blog or this web site or my Twitter or my postings around the internet and elsewhere, just like UKIP membership numbers are of no consequence just as it is irrelevant how many watch a UKIP video in America, China or even France – it is a matter of the caliber of those who read the entries NOT numbers.
This web site and all its entries are posted as an archive and if ONE person of influence reads it whether media, politician or individual and it leads to cleaning up & professionalising UKIP & giving it some ethical gravitas and consequence thus making it fit for purpose as a party, which British citizens would be proud to join to Leave-The-EU, it has served its purpose.
This blog is an archive available to all and made as accurate as possible, clearly differentiating between my opinions and values and factual reportage of UKIP.
As is clear: Any error of fact is always corrected, if brought to my attention, and comments are always published – for as long as they are compliant with the terms clearly stated as follows:

We welcome comments but reserve the right to moderate & refuse libelous or offensive comments and those we choose to delete when written by unidentifiable individuals hidden in anonymity in a cowardly manner to defame or abuse.

No comment has EVER been barred or deleted, which is genuine & clearly authored by a named & identifiable individual.

You will note many comments made have been commented on and even corrected by the blog owner.

We welcome genuine comments.

With Regard To JUNIUS

From my conversations with Team Junius:

I gather their aims were largely similar to mine, as was their aim to inform and provide an archive of facts in support of UKIP becoming fit for purpose, to lead to Leave-The-EU, which clearly it currently is not, as it tends to represent its own personal ambitions rather than British self determination, values and ethics.

At the moment Junius team have largely stopped addressing UKIP’s problems, in the belief that it is unlikely that UKIP will have any consequential influence on domestic politics after their failure in the local elections of 2013 when out of over 1,700 seats in which they stood candidates a mere 147 were elected and already they are falling by the wayside and or resigning due in part to lack of vetting, lack of professionalism and in some cases over racism, inappropriate behaviour and convictions for theft etc.

UKIP’s achievements are so clearly the product of a single individual that Junius has stood back from their role exposing UKIP’s ineptitude and dishonesty as unfit for purpose as to continue putting their own jobs at risk is no longer of sufficient consequence in the light of UKIP’s failure to obtain MPs, Police Crime Commissioners, Mayors or any other role of any gravitas or significance in domestic politics in 20 years.

Team Junius, I am told, will possibly re-enter the position of political commentary if the situation alters and UKIP becomes of greater relevance in UK domestic policy rather than self serving also rans!

Although I have heard from members of Team Junius they and others have passed on the UKIP lies that it is claimed that actions and threats of prosecution by UKIP forced Junius to cease posting.

I can assure readers that the UKIP spin is a pack of lies particularly as they have absolutely no idea who the members of Team Junius are nor are UKIP able to identify a single solitary member of the team. It is therefore abundantly clear that no member of the team has in any way been threatened with prosecution, nor contacted by anyone threatening to prosecute nor has any member EVER been cautioned by any lawyer or the police with regard to their publication of facts and views they publish about UKIP and its clique or claque or even members or policy.

May I also add that the ONLY three threats I have EVER received were founded first on the inept misunderstanding of the law by Michael Zucherman when I used the title ‘catterpillars & butterflies thereby bringing into derision the subsequent utilisation of the imagery used by UKIP subsequently.

The second instance was based on lies presented by Mark Croucher, Clive Page & Paul Nuttall for UKIP, in an attempt to bankrupt me to shut down the flow of facts about UKIP which I present. They lost their case in Court and to date have failed to act honourably and pay the some £13,000 they owe me.

The third instance was based on a pack of lies presented by Gerard Batten regarding which the police were misguidedly duped into interviewing me under caution for some 3 hours. The police decision was there was absolutely no case to answer and that I had not acted in any breech of the law and Gerard Batten was shown to have lied to try to build a case.

Let us be certain – I can unequivocally state that any claim by UKIP that they have intimidated those who publish under the name Junius into giving up is untrue and like so many other stories that emanate from UKIP and its placemen is just a pack of lies.

For more FACTS regarding the accuracy of this site and my postings elsewhere read CLICK HERE
For more FACTS & information about me, including contact data, IF it will help you understand the FACTS this web site and my many other postings cover CLICK HERE

I NEVER post in cowardly anonymity, nor obfuscate my identity as I believe it is an ethical matter of integrity to stand by ones comments. If unsure or deliberately misleading one should NOT demean oneself by dishonesty hiding one’s identity as a coward or a traitor would.

For the record I have NEVER had personal aspirations politically, nor have I ever stood for office; further I have NEVER joined or been a member or been funded by any political party, faction or similar organisation.

I trust these facts help clarify details for the ill informed and the outright liars who seek to defame me, my blogs, postings and web sites.

Regards,

Greg_L-W.

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FOR THE RECORD – A STATEMENT OF FACTS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/09/2013

FOR THE RECORD – A STATEMENT OF FACTS

Hi,

For the record – despite the obfuscation, dissembling and outright lies of those trying to hide the truth about UKIP, as it is – It is of absolutely no consequence how many read this blog or this web site or my Twitter or my postings around the internet and elsewhere, just like UKIP membership numbers are of no consequence just as it is irrelevant how many watch a UKIP video in America, China or even France – it is a matter of the caliber of those who read the entries NOT numbers.
This web site and all its entries are posted as an archive and if ONE person of influence reads it whether media, politician or individual and it leads to cleaning up & professionalising UKIP & giving it some ethical gravitas and consequence thus making it fit for purpose as a party, which British citizens would be proud to join to Leave-The-EU, it has served its purpose.
This blog is an archive available to all and made as accurate as possible, clearly differentiating between my opinions and values and factual reportage of UKIP.
As is clear: Any error of fact is always corrected, if brought to my attention, and comments are always published – for as long as they are compliant with the terms clearly stated as follows:

We welcome comments but reserve the right to moderate & refuse libelous or offensive comments and those we choose to delete when written by unidentifiable individuals hidden in anonymity in a cowardly manner to defame or abuse.

No comment has EVER been barred or deleted, which is genuine & clearly authored by a named & identifiable individual.

You will note many comments made have been commented on and even corrected by the blog owner.

We welcome genuine comments.

With Regard To JUNIUS

From my conversations with Team Junius:

I gather their aims were largely similar to mine, as was their aim to inform and provide an archive of facts in support of UKIP becoming fit for purpose, to lead to Leave-The-EU, which clearly it currently is not, as it tends to represent its own personal ambitions rather than British self determination, values and ethics.

At the moment Junius team have largely stopped addressing UKIP’s problems, in the belief that it is unlikely that UKIP will have any consequential influence on domestic politics after their failure in the local elections of 2013 when out of over 1,700 seats in which they stood candidates a mere 147 were elected and already they are falling by the wayside and or resigning due in part to lack of vetting, lack of professionalism and in some cases over racism, inappropriate behaviour and convictions for theft etc.

UKIP’s achievements are so clearly the product of a single individual that Junius has stood back from their role exposing UKIP’s ineptitude and dishonesty as unfit for purpose as to continue putting their own jobs at risk is no longer of sufficient consequence in the light of UKIP’s failure to obtain MPs, Police Crime Commissioners, Mayors or any other role of any gravitas or significance in domestic politics in 20 years.

Team Junius, I am told, will possibly re-enter the position of political commentary if the situation alters and UKIP becomes of greater relevance in UK domestic policy rather than self serving also rans!

Although I have heard from members of Team Junius they and others have passed on the UKIP lies that it is claimed that actions and threats of prosecution by UKIP forced Junius to cease posting.

I can assure readers that the UKIP spin is a pack of lies particularly as they have absolutely no idea who the members of Team Junius are nor are UKIP able to identify a single solitary member of the team. It is therefore abundantly clear that no member of the team has in any way been threatened with prosecution, nor contacted by anyone threatening to prosecute nor has any member EVER been cautioned by any lawyer or the police with regard to their publication of facts and views they publish about UKIP and its clique or claque or even members or policy.

May I also add that the ONLY three threats I have EVER received were founded first on the inept misunderstanding of the law by Michael Zucherman when I used the title ‘catterpillars & butterflies thereby bringing into derision the subsequent utilisation of the imagery used by UKIP subsequently.

The second instance was based on lies presented by Mark Croucher, Clive Page & Paul Nuttall for UKIP, in an attempt to bankrupt me to shut down the flow of facts about UKIP which I present. They lost their case in Court and to date have failed to act honourably and pay the some £13,000 they owe me.

The third instance was based on a pack of lies presented by Gerard Batten regarding which the police were misguidedly duped into interviewing me under caution for some 3 hours. The police decision was there was absolutely no case to answer and that I had not acted in any breech of the law and Gerard Batten was shown to have lied to try to build a case.

Let us be certain – I can unequivocally state that any claim by UKIP that they have intimidated those who publish under the name Junius into giving up is untrue and like so many other stories that emanate from UKIP and its placemen is just a pack of lies.

For more FACTS regarding the accuracy of this site and my postings elsewhere read CLICK HERE
For more FACTS & information about me, including contact data, IF it will help you understand the FACTS this web site and my many other postings cover CLICK HERE

I NEVER post in cowardly anonymity, nor obfuscate my identity as I believe it is an ethical matter of integrity to stand by ones comments. If unsure or deliberately misleading one should NOT demean oneself by dishonesty hiding one’s identity as a coward or a traitor would.

For the record I have NEVER had personal aspirations politically, nor have I ever stood for office; further I have NEVER joined or been a member or been funded by any political party, faction or similar organisation.

I trust these facts help clarify details for the ill informed and the outright liars who seek to defame me, my blogs, postings and web sites.

Regards,

Greg_L-W.

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Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
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tel: 01594 – 528 337
Accuracy & Copyright Statement: CLICK HERE
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Also:
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#0776* – UKIP: The hypocrisy of Gerard Batten MEP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 11/04/2012

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Hi,

I noted the following post on Junius earlier and have obtained permission to reproduce it in full as I believe it is an important comment that should be publicly aired:

UKIP: The hypocrisy of Gerard Batten MEP

Gerard Batten and Nigel Farage: Two disgusting hypocrites who have done rather well since joining the EU Gravy Train. Batten claims to hate Nigel for his hypocrisy but is he any different?


A number of folk have commented on the fact that an article linking Gerard Batten to the convicted fraudster and right-wing extremist Gregory Lauder-Frost has been removed from this blog. We can explain….

Batten is subject to certain legal proceedings, with decision expected any day now. It is rumoured that he has had an injunction put in place to prevent discussion about the case in the British press. As such Google appears to have intervened and removed the post from British viewers. The article remains in place for people accessing this blog from outside the UK.

This is ironic, as Batten is a defender of Julian Assange, the Wikileaks founder who is facing extradition to the USA. Apparently transparency and public access to information are things to be defended – unless that information concerns Batten!

If details of the allegations against him were to appear on Wikileaks, would Batten be so happy to defend Assange?

We are happy to report that the CPS has rejected several complaints made by Batten against Greg Lance-Watkins. These complaints were originally made to the police in a desperate attempt to silence GLW and his blog. Yet another example of Batten’s disgusting hypocrisy. And since was telling the truth a crime, Mr Batten? And why have you never contacted GLW to complain about ANY of his posts if they are untrue?

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Hi,
I gatherthere was an injunction of some sort placed upon the information IN The Courtrelative to the allegations of racism etc. made against Gerard Batten – whichclearly no one who was not actually in the Court would have known about.
The Courtitself willingly provided certain details when phoned by members of the publicwhich can be shown.
Withregard to information published by Junius and myself regarding Gerard Batten’sbehaviour firstly there was no reason to believe that any kind of injunction wasbeing used to suppress the facts as shown by the fact that theindustrial/employment tribunals when John Whittacker was found guilty and alsowhen the verdict of guilty handed down against UKIP, Nigel Farage and GodfreyBloom took place – no such suppression of the truth was imposed.
Similarlywhen Lisa Duffy lied to the Court for UKIP as when Paul Nuttall lied on Anthony Butcher’sUKIP controlled blog and also when he was officially censured by The DataProtection Commissioner.
There werealso no restrictions on reporting when UKIP effectively lost their case againstme when Mark Croucher acted against me when in UKIP employ supported by Paul Nuttall and Clive Page in Courtwho all three held positions working for UKIP leadership.
You willalso note that although The Court issued an order for payment in my favourneither UKIP nor Mark Croucher had the integrity to honour the Courts and oweme a considerable sum of money morally running to over £12,500 which they haveto date defaulted on.
Withregard to whether the complaint that led to the strange removal of the factsfrom Junius was made by Gerard Batten or Gregory Lauder-Frost or someone acting on their behalfseems immaterial as clearly both parties have endeavoured to suppress the truthabout them and reasonable comment in the past and have a track record of whatmany consider to be extremism and I believe can easily be seen as incitement toracial hatred be that based on ethnicity or superstition.
Fortunatelyit will be noted that neither Junius nor I were aware of any suppression of thetruth to protect Gerard Batten and neither of us acted willfully against aCourt diktat as neither of us reported on the supposedly confidential facts putforward in the Court but merely reported the facts in the public domain.
Interestinglyyou will note that if you read Junius’ blog elsewhere in The EU it is clearlyvisible uncensored!
Obviouslyhad Gerard Batten had any complaint legitimate or perceived he has had everyopportunity to make contact with me for either a right of reply on my blog orif he could show that one word of what I published was false he couldreasonably have asked for it to be corrected.
It doesrather look as if Gerard Batten or his associates are seemingly trumping upissues in a desperate attempt to suppress the truth and maliciously andvindictively suppress reasonable reportage of their odious activity.
PoliceState that we seem increasingly to be governed by presumably it is stillacceptable under free speech to tell the truth and to state and discussopinions!
GerardBatten has loudly proclaimed his support for the right of free speech of JulianAssange of Wikileaks – just as associates of his have been willing to givesupport to Anders Brevik and apart from mere words’ of no consequence or valueno one in UKIP leadership took action against those supporting Anders Brevik -a sad reflection UKIP, Gerard Batten and their racist, anti homosexual,Holocaust denying, anti Jewish associates.
Many willremember the vile tract published by Anthony Bennett of UKIP whilst working forJeffrey Titford (leader of UKIP), the vile attack on Muslims of the awardwinning Zionist Malcolm Pearson (leader of UKIP), The exploitation and peopletrafficking of Poles by Roger Knapman & family (leader of UKIP) and ofcourse the odious tract put in the public domain by Gerard Batten regarding hisantipathy to Islam believed to be influenced by his personal superstitions andmaybe also the fact that his Filipino wife is most probably a Catholic – itwill be known by the informed that there is great animus between the Catholicsand The Muslims in the Philippines!
Presumablythe verdict of the Court on Gerard Batten’s alleged racism etc. will be madeknown shortly, just as were the details that the case was taking place whichwere readily available direct from the Court by phone!
If GerardBatten actually believes in what many see as his extremist behaviour andassociates and his apparently overt willingness to seemingly spread racialhatred based upon his choice of superstitions and beliefs one wonders why hewishes to suppress the discussion of his views!
To avoidANY misunderstandings – I was not only unaware but clearly there was no reasonto be aware that Gerard Batten had or had sought any type of suppression orderto suppress reporting of the facts.
Furtherplease note I did NOT report any comments or facts that I had any reason tobelieve were not in the public domain.
It is alsomy opinion that this entire issue is a trumpped up and thus dishonest situationas Gerard Batten took absolutely no steps to contact me or to contact Juniusthrough me to seek correction or inform us he had some sort of suppressionorder to prevent reporting of the facts.
May Iremind readers that Gerard Batten is a public servant and it would seem he isacting in abuse of his position in seemingly inciting racial hatred based u8ponhis chosen superstitions.
The daythat it is unlawfull to discuss the actual behaviour of public servants will bea sad day for these United Kingdoms and to note YET AGAIN UKIP seeking to suppress the truth and act againstfreedom of speech upholding EU diktats and Political Correctness is possiblythe ultimate hypocracy.
Withregard to the idiotic comments of UKIP supporters repeatedly claiming that I ammad and that no one reads Junius’ or my blog and that the facts we present areuntrue – how come they spend so much time reading our blogs and attacking us?
The numberof readers is to me utterly irrelevant, on my blogs – I post them as an archiverecord of facts and my opinions on those facts.
It is thecaliber of the readers which is of consequence!
Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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#0774* – UKIP Displays the same contempt for Democracy as The EU!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/04/2012

#0774* – UKIP Displays the same contempt for Democracy as The EU!
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UKIP Displays the same contempt for Democracy as The EU!

A TOTAL Disregard of a Majority Decision of its own elected committee – seemingly to protect Farage’s income stream!

Farage was, as I recal, all too willing to dump Clark when he found a possibly bigger income stream and the opportunity to take a Bath with Lord Rutland – who however gave little Farage short shrift and sent him packing!

Just as when Farage ignored Clark in his love in with Kilroy Silk and PROMISED HIM the leadership of UKIP! 

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Hi,
it is interesting to note that despite this document being circulated to ALL Members of the UKIndependence Party East Midland Counties Committee and having been returned supported and signed by what one committee described as a unanimous majority which I feel could be more safely be described as an overwhelming majority (as Clark himself was a member of that committee and at least one paid toady was placed on it by him)

Dear Sirs,

After carefulconsideration and discussions, although we appreciate what Derek Clark has donefor us in the past, we feel that Derek is not the right person to push theregion forward in the future.

We the undersigned nolonger have full faith and confidence in Derek Clark as our MEP or Chairman ofthe EMCC.  This notification is a vote ofno confidence in Derek Clark and we ask him to stand down forthwith as our MEPand EMCC Chairman.

County…………………………………………………………….


Name………………………………………………………………


Signature………………………………………………………..


Date………………………………………………………………..

As yet UKIP would seem to have totally ignored the democratic rights of its members, yet again.
One is forced to wonder whether the dishonest, corrupt and clearly useless Derek clark is being kept on as a cash cow for Nigel Farage as I can see no other reason for such an odious and useless article to remain in office when rejected by the unarguable democratic committee and members who have clearly rejected him.
Here are the comments of Junius on the matter (after discussion)

UKIP: Derek Clark vote of no confidence



We are pleased to note that the outgoing East Midlands Regional Committee has passed a vote of no confidence in Derek “I luv a piece of cod” Clark. And about time!

Clark is a joke. This foolish old man’s incompetence as an MEP and regional chairman are now the stuff of legend. See: LINK & LINK & LINK & LINK

It is time for Clark to step down and be replaced by a better man. We trust that Nigel Farage and the NEC will respect the decision of the committee and ask Clark to fall on his sword at the earliest opportunity.

Many will be aware that I have openly called for the resignation of the corrupt and dishonest Derek Clark who has lied on a serial basis about me and also about the Junius blog and despite claims he never reads the blogs seems readily able to quote from them in fabricating his lies to cover his dishonest and fraudulent behaviour!
To learn more undeniable facts about this treacherous and dishonest little man and his betrayal of these United Kingdoms for his own gain CLICK HERE
Let us not forget that this is the odious little man who tried to rig a Kangaroo Court with Gerard Batten and little Douglas Denny to remove the el;ected Chairman of UKIP East Midlands Peter Baker based upon lies and trumpped up charges and ensuring Peter Baker was denied access to witnesses who could prove the charges against him were lies from Derek Clark and his corrupt associates.
Derek Clark is also the individual who openly boasted at a public meeting of how he personally defrauded The EU for his own gain.
Derek Clark also betrayed his electorate and Britain by entering into an agreement with Romania to campaign for increased control of The EU over Britain and greater ‘subsidiarity’ of Britain to The EU – for Farage to enlarge his grubby little group in The EU and seemingly trouser more money from the 4,000 / 400 budget and international travel budgets now available to buy the loyalty of members of the group to ensure the income stream?
That UKIP is unprofessional and has an EU style contempt for democracy is clearly visible not just in the fact that the vote of no confidence has been kept secret – although we gave details as soon as it had occurred UKIP were trying to keep it hushed up!
Let us also remeber that like Ireland who voted the wrong way for The EU and were forced to vote again UKIP members resoundingly rejected changes to their constitution but as with The EU UKIP’s corrupt leadership suppressed all opposition and spent member’s money on promoting the aim to centralise more power in the hands of one man and his puppets and muppets and after massive publicity of the one side within the party engineered another vote and an implausible 90%+ yes vote from the entire membership redollent of some third world tin pot dictatorish or the democratic standards of Nazi Germany, Stalin’s USSR, Pol Pot or Mau’s China!
One can expect Nigel Farage’s corrupt, useless, dishonest and fraudulent cash cow to linger on like a bad smell – as he has done to date – befouling the body politic as he seemingly enriches his ‘Glorious Leader’!
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ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 19/02/2012

ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH
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ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH!
Please HELP to keep the information flow running based on verifiable FACTS!

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Hi,

may I commend the Junius team yet again for raising the debate on UKIP issues beyond that of the corrupt leadership clique and their vile and cowardly claque.

For those who wish to understand UKIP issues; without the lies and corrupt self serving spin, of those seeking enrichment for themselves and a few chums may I suggest:
A thorough search of Junius blog and the various UKIP related blogs which I run.

Use of Junius’s Right Sidebar and also the Right Sidebar of:
http://UKip-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
may well prove to be the best source of indisputable FACTS available.

I say indisputable FACTS for try as they might on a daily basis, to date, UKIP and its sycophants and lick spittles have failed in many 1,000s of postings to show a single solitary error of consequence in a single posting.

It has not been shown, despite the cowardly lies of the anonymous sock puppets or the blatant lies of UKIP NEC members and MEPs or salaried parasites that there has been a single solitary malicious, dishonest, corrupt or self serving posting made whether deliberately or accidentally that has NOT been true both in substance and detail.

AT ANY TIME anyone who spots an error of FACT whether they consider it to be accidental or intentional
PLEASE PHONE ME on:
01594528337
or ‘e’Mail me at:
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I WILL make ANY correction required for ANYONE giving their proper name and an identifiable phone land line (IN CONFIDENCE, which weeds out the liars and political scum like Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Gothmog and the like).

The serial lies and distortions of the likes of these are of little consequence as they carry zero credibility however often they may repeat their lies as over many 1,000s of blogs, eMails and forum postings despite their oft repeated lies that claim this blog is dishonest and lies they have NEVER ONCE provided an instance where theswe postings I have made have in ANY WAY been consequentially wrong or inaccurate – little wonder they are unwilling to put even their faux reputations to the test by putting their own name to their lies!

Sadly I find I need virus & spam filters to weed out the more obsessed liars and fantasists like Mick McGough (who sent my spam filter around 20,000 unpleasant & tasteless spam eMails – a measure of the caliber of UKIP is this vile little man is an NEC member and a UKIP candidate for the EU’s London assembly having lied & cheated to become an MEP candidate in the past – CLICK HERE).

Douglas Denny has been another serial public nuisance with his delusional lies and fantasies.

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#0740* – Of Trevor Colman’s Video & Over ambitious goffers!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/02/2012

#0740* – Of Trevor Colman’s Video & Over ambitious goffers!
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Sadly I see UKIP have lifted Trevor Colman’s video and rebadged it for themselves, but being unfit for purpose as representatives of these United Kingdoms they make it clear they are unfit for purpose and unable to debate without abuse and drunken outbursts:

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Ian Milne’s paper on this subject was available widely in Oct 2009 – The update of OPct 2011 is readily available and a much more exciting read than this rather dull talking head version which is hard to remember any new facts from.
A good effort by Trevor Colman now he is no longer with UKIP in the EFD – However the rather dated style will make it a hard sell even as a free DVD – May I suggest a web site untainted by UKIP and ALL facts annotated alongside the talking head video.
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Firstly UKIP has lied – I am blocked by UKIP’s web master who is NOT the owner of the video but has lifted it, as it was on Trevor Colman’s web site which I have advertised on this blog’s sidebar since it first launched!) and rebadged it. It is UKIP who lack the integrity to debate opinions, just as all too often they mount dishonest ad hominem attacks whilst sheltering behind anonymous cowards amongst their sock puppets!

View the video yourself and draw your own conclusions and if you disagree with my stated opinion you are welcome to have your own opinion and if you care about UKIP and the concept of Leave-The-EU then by all means try to make your points and discuss it in an adult (very un UKIP) manner!

For my own part and open to discussion my actions were:

On seeing Trevor Colman’s latest rather limp video, a couple of days ago, having long ago read Ian Milne‘s thesis on leaving The EU which he published in October 2009 and which with permission I republished long ago: CLICK HERE, I noted he had republished an update of October 2011 of which I have a copy ISBN 978-1-906837-32-7 I felt it apposite to let the matter pass and his video slide into inevitable obscurity with a brief transient Twitter:
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Greg_LW Yesterday’s technology used to convince the converted that an MEP can do other than bore th-eu-nit.com/index.php/home sadly a total waste of time! yesterday · reply · retweet · favorite
Inote however that one of Nikki Sinclaire’s shared pool staff in the EU, who Igather works for Trevor Colman, had circulated a PR spin which was received by amutual friend and was circulated and sent onwards to The Junius blog, leadingme to quote on the blog as I fundamentally disagreed with the spin and Junius’regurgitation without even viewing the material! Or so one of them informed me! 
I commented as follows:
Hi,

it is sad that with all the resources at his disposal a long out dated and very boring talking head video passes for achievement!

You will note I tweeted on this tedious talking head video a couple of days ago!

The details that Trevor Colman is so recently catching up with was published in October 2009 and you can read it in full at:
http://themidnightgroup.blogspot.com/p/exit-survival.html
Ian Milne put forward the details and as you can see I published them long ago, his book is readily available heavily discounted on Amazon.

The video presented is boring in the extreme and its method of imparting info. is so out of date it fails to make its point.

The visuals are poor and the backup is worse – May I once again suggest that poor old Trevor’s career experience as an old school pedestrian plod show again and again in his misunderstanding and lack of ability in the field of marketing!

You need only look at which videos on You Tube get a following to realise this effort was misguided and inept – Even with massive advertising it is unlikely to reach many beyond the already converted looking for an angle they can use which sadly it lacks.

Well done for trying Trevor but why not let Sinclaire’s ACTUAL achievements guide YOUR ambitions rather than waste your timne and our money!

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Subsequently I saw the same hype published on one of Nikki Sinclaire’s blogs as follows:

Leaving the European Union – a new video

My good friend Trevor Colman MEP has produced a fantastic video, entitled “Time to Leave the EU” for his website www.Th-Eu-Nit.com.

The 18 minute film is the ideal tool to educate friends and family of the true horrors of the EU.

Against the background of a deepening crisis in the Eurozone and the fact that Britain is required to hand over increasingly larger sums of bail-out money, South West UKIP MEP Trevor Colman has produced a film which shows that Britain does not need to be involved in this political nightmare  at all.

The film which is based on the recently published book, “Time to Say No”, has aroused interest among those in the Houses of Parliment. It was launched online last week.

Written by the respected researcher Ian Milne and published by Civitas, the book de-bunks many of the myths surrounding the need for British Membership of the European Union and describes how easy and beneficial it would be for Britain to withdraw. The film is the ideal tool to teach friends and family how we can really leave.

Trevor said,

“Much of what is in the film has either been hiden or never publically discussed, that is why in addition to the internet launch, I am also launching a dvd version for free distribution to thee public. The infomation in that film is that important, especially now”

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    I had hoped that despite others having access to Nikki Sinclaire’s blog her standards of integrity and exchange of views would pertain, and honest opinion continue to be valued – perhaps that is why SHE is an MEP and her flunkies are but administrators!

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TO CLARIFY:

Here is the comment I placed on Nikki Sinclaire’s blog and which one of her assistants removed:

Hi,

it is sad that with all the resources at his disposal a long out dated and very boring talking head video passes for achievement!

You will note I tweeted on this tedious talking head video a couple of days ago!

The details that Trevor Colman is so recently catching up with was published in October 2009 and you can read it in full at:
http://themidnightgroup.blogspot.com/p/exit-survival.html
Ian Milne put forward the details and as you can see I published them long ago, his book is readily available heavily discounted on Amazon.

The video presented is boring in the extreme and its method of imparting info. is so out of date it fails to make its point.

The visuals are poor and the backup is worse – May I once again suggest that poor old Trevor’s career experience as an old school pedestrian plod show again and again in his misunderstanding and lack of ability in the field of marketing!

You need only look at which videos on You Tube get a following to realise this effort was misguided and inept – Even with massive advertising it is unlikely to reach many beyond the already converted looking for an angle they can use which sadly it lacks.

Well done for trying Trevor but why not let Sinclaire’s ACTUAL achievements guide YOUR ambitions rather than waste your timne and our money!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

I do appreciate Nikki Sinclaire’s assistants DO NOT speak for her.

Also for the record I have, as is well known, little or no respect for the weak and self serving Trevor Colman and utter contempt for the way in which he has so befouled his Queen’s Commission being just another bent copper LONG EX.

I do however congratulate Trevor Colman, after having milked it for all it is worth, having eventually resigned from the racist, anti Jewish, anti Homosexual advocates of violence as a fundamental principle of politics with whom UKIP chooses to associate in supporting The EU.

I stand by my posting as made on the matter in response to the inane hand out regarding Colman’s belated and inept video which was PLACED on her blog somewhat demeaning its standards of discernment and integrity to date.
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#0694* – Clarifying UKIP Distortions on behalf of Junius & myself

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 15/11/2011

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this self serving distortion of facts by one of the many sordid sock puppets of UKIP leadership which post their dishonest lies, fantasies and corrupt propaganda on Anthony Butcher’s corrupt and dishonest UKIP controlled forum – some as muppets of UKIP leadership posting in their own names and some using fake identities to hide their shame – including Mark Croucher, Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Mark Croucher, Annabelle Fuller, Paul Nuttall, Ray Finch, Bob Feel-Martinis, John Ison, Brendan Padmore, Stuart Parr and many others.

The posting hosted in disregard of dishonesty as ever by the corrupt Anthony Butcher  was brought to my attention by members of the JUNIUS team who have asked me to address the dishonesty in detail and expose this latest publication by this odious cowardly underbelly of UKIP corrupt leadership support.

Many of these self serving cowards working with Anthony Butcher use multiple identities and EU computers with rapidly changing ISP addresses and shared identities.

I will address this specific rubbish when I get a chance – distortions and dishonesties similar to those of other cowards such as Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Defamation Hunter, Arthur Fonzanellie who shelter their corruption in cowardice and shame behind fake IDs.

Probably THE most significant fact in political terms is that some of these people are members of UKIP NEC, some salaried officers and no doubt some actually elected or seeking to feed from the public purse – a reflection on UKIP’s clearly corrupt and self serving leadership is that never once have I been aware or made aware of any member of UKIP leadership making ANY efforrt to surb these lies and distortions and it is clear that bullying and lies are a feature of the management of UKIP.

Imagine what a vile country these United Kingdoms would be if the morality and ethics of UKIP EVER held sway here!

Clearly UKIP leadership and its parasites are examples of shame and not leadership.

I shall Fisk the posting below in the next couple of days so you can consider the responsible truth, which I defend with my name and identity.

You will note that NEVER in many 1,000s of postings has it been shown EVER that I have posted to mislead or in dishonesty – unlike UKIP and its parasites!

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I am in the fortunate position that firstly I am not answerable to any of the toe rags in UKIP leadership’s claque nor do I seek popularity, income, agrandisement or preferment unlike them, nor have I ANYTHING to hide!


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Default Junius: Behind The Real Front

A meaningless title – what ‘Real Front’ is it implied The Junius Team are behind?

“BNP front group” is a smear used by Alan ‘sexy’ Harvey.

As this Alan Hardy (Mea Culpa and apologies to Alan Hardy – this should have read Alan Harvey as you can see from Gutter Snipe’s posting quoted immediately above – To find out about Alan Hardy see the right sidebar as he is relevant to UKIP and a member directly approved by Nigel Farage whereas I have no reason to believe Alan Harvey was or is a UKIP member though I understand he has friends and associates who support him within UKIP’s senior members! My thanks for the message pointing out my mistake!) who Street Cleaner seemingly finds ‘sexy’ is not a part of Junius and has never written an article for them nor to their knowledge has he ever spoken with them one wonders at the relevance.

I do clearly state that I understand that like many with an interest in EU related politics it would seem an Alan Hardy (As earlier read Alan Harvey)) HAS written on the comments section of The Junius blog. Then again so have members of UKIP leadership and others including UKIP MEPs & staff!

It was Harvey who was found to be linked to the BNP via Jeffrey Marshall, BNP London Organiser;

What relevance this extensive knowledge of The BNP has to Junius or I I am unsure – though it is noted that UKIP leadership have had and it now seems still have close relations with The BNP:

It is also well publicised that UKIP are associated with extremists, racists, anti Islamists, anti homosexuality and violence in politics even now it seems Gerard Batten has fallen foul of the race laws in these United Kingdoms and is defending his behaviour we understand with the support of UKIP and the express financial support of UKIP aurthorised by Nigel Farage.

Yert again UKIP department of lost causes is squandering member’s money, it seems!

Harvey’s recently fallen out with a member of his ‘Ulster branch’ who is a long-standing BNP member – clearly the BNP membership was not an issue until they fell out.

Clearly no relevance just an attempt to smear Junius and possibly myself by UKIP who seem rightly to be denounced as The BNP in blazers by some!

Readers here will recall that Harvey’s close friend Gary Cartwright tried to get Mike Smith expelled from UKIP over supposed “strong BNP connections”.

Mike Smith many will recal was an odious, bullying and litigious buffoon and as such Gary Cartwright would seem to have acted with some sense on this issue.

Assuming it is the same Mike Smith who committed suicide well over a year ago further details can be found at CLICK HERE

It was Gary Cartwright who had to leave UKIP.

I was under the impression Gary Cartwright quit UKIP over what HE considered to be a point of principle and now works directly for the EU Parliament attached to The Unalligned Group of MEPs and is allocated primarily to Nikki Sinclaire MEP and as such has done a great deal more towards the Leave-The-EU cause than any of UKIP’s sock puppets and most of their self serving parasites.

Amidst Greg Lance Watkins’ denunciation of the Swinton Circle is that it had as a speaker Tom Wise yet omits that Wise employed and was supported by Gary Cartwright, and that Cartwright was also a member of the Swinton Circle.

Yet another cowardly and dishonest statement seeking to smear from UKIP’s cowardly sock puppet.

Read the article the cowardly creep has cited – wher in would be the relevance of this statement relative to Cartwright? Was he a member of The Swinton Circle? It seems this cowardly sock puppet has a fairly intimate knowledge of The Swinton Circle – Personally I couldn’t name a single member though I do note it is seen as an extremist group which has given a platform to Tom Wise, Nigel Farage & Lindsay Jenkins – Tom Wise spoke for them on at least one occassion whilst awaiting trial and sentence to 2 years in prison for stealing from the public purse in abuse of his position of trust!

I KNOW the Swinton Cirlcle provided the platform with full knowledge of Tom Wise’s criminality as before the courts and with Nigel Farage’s encouragement!

In 2009 GL-W was chastising his associate Cartwright for his “support of criminality” claiming it “most clearly undermines [Cartwright’s] credibility”, then rather interestingly comes the sentence “Not an error that I would wish to make nor one I believe any of the contributors to Junius would wish to be associated with” – reads almost like an instruction as if Greg Lance-Watkins is trying to bring the wayward Cartwright into line doesn’t it?

What a desperate attempt to smear – so very typical of UKIP sock puppets and their vile associates.

Firstly Gary Cartwright is NOT an associate of mine nor have I even met him let alone associated with him. Just to dispel the blatant lie.

Secondly I stand by my statement as quoted at CLICK HERE

I will happily reitterate my position that I conside it a VERY poor display of judgement that ANYONE including Nigel Farage or even Crtwright gave succour to the criminal behaviour of Tom Wise who is a particularly unpleasant low life with the morality and ethics of an alley cat!

It is noted Wise was supported by Anthony Butcher, Douglas Denny, Mick McGough, Nigel Farage, Mark Croucher, Roger Helmer and many others, mainly self serving Judas Goats and Plastic EUroSceptics.

Clearly Cartwright’s refusal to toe the line over Wise still rankles as only a few months ago Greg Lance-Watkins stated Cartwright had a “crano rectally retentive attitude to Tom Wise” and that Cartwright’s job while working for Wise was to “try to dupe people”.

Do we take it that the snivelling cowardly Street Sweeper in crawling out of his gutter would claim my statement to be wrong? In mittigation Cartwright WAS employed by Wise and his and his family’s income was dependent on Wise at the time – that makes his actions no less acceptable.

Perhaps GL-W would be able to state if in his opinion Cartwright did a good job duping people, and whether Cartwright’s job for Nikki Sinclaire is also to “try to dupe people”?

The smear attempt is noted but clearly the capacity in which The EU currently employs Cartwright is a matter for Nikki Sinclaire – though he brings with him baggage which I personally consider it was unwise of Sinclaire to take on board as his talents doe seem all too readily subsumed by the low lifes of UKIP who seek to defame Sinclaire!

Curiously, Alan Harvey’s alternative ‘Swinton Circle’ on his Springbok club website which shows previous speakers no longer lists Tom Wise from March 2008 but retains Farage from January 2008; why one and not the other?

Since the cowardly Street Sweeper has such connections and information may I suggest he earns his keep as a butt boy for UKIP and finds out.

I do note that The Springbok Club and The Swinton Circle have been closely associated for many years – After many years based in South Africa actively opposed to appartheid and having resigned from The British Army on a point of principle over partly the issue of colour and my rejection of the fact that The British Army was at the time on standby to enter Rhodesia to promote a racially based position – I take issue with the smears of the guttless and cowards.

Another speaker to the Swinton Circle no longer shown is Bob Lomas – and what’s this? GL-W getting a bit uptight with Junius about the Magna Carta Society! What can it all mean?

It may surprise the cowardly that it means EXACTLY what I posted.

Unlike Street Sweeper I post what I believe to be the facts and will stand by them in a responsible manner, not as a coward posting innuendo and smears behind a cowardly cloak of anonymity!

Anyone wanting further facts is all to welcome to contact me direct as i have ALWAYS been easily contacted, always posted my material in my own name and always been willing to correct any detail that I have posted in error (it has happened, as I recall on 3 occasions and in each was corrected rapidly with apologies – fortunately not one of which was of any material consequence).

Greg Lance-Watkins repeatedly denounces Tom Wise from on high but fails to apply the same standards to his beloved Ashley Mote.

Ashley Mote’s criminality was totally disimilar to the breech of trust in public office and the abuse of access to the public purse made by Tom Wise – as the courts recognised in sentencing where Mote was sentenced to 9 months and Wise to 24! It is also of some note that Ashley Mote was of some value to EUroRealism over a number of years – Wise was corrupt, dishonest and of little use to anyone other than wine merchants it seems – with his long string of failures and non jobs over his life.

Tom Wise betrayed the electorate and the EUroSceptic cause in office representing UKIP, the electorate and these United Kingdoms!

But then Greg Lance-Watkins has no credibility to undermine.

So you may dishonestly claim – yet we note that Street Sweeper’s credibility is such that he is too ashamed to put his name to it!

Astonishingly (or maybe not) the every hypocritical Greg Lance-Watkins

Such a cheap and shoddy claim from a coward too ashamed to put his name to defamation yet unable to cite a single solitary instance of hypocracy with any credible evidence – so very like UKIP and its vile leadership and odious defenders.

denounces the Swinton Circle for (un-proven) BNP links but spectacularly fails to comment on Alan Harvey’s recent link-up with the Canadian “British People’s League” which is run by John Beattie former leader of the Canadian Nazi Party!

Cowardly fool that Street Sweeper is he fails to note I have absolutely no interest in Canadian Politics have considered Alan Hardy an irrelevance of no material consequence based on the little I know of him. I shall leave the gutter sweepings to those best suited in the gutter – this particular Street Sweeper andf his snivelling cowardice.

“More power to your elbow“ Harvey advices Beattie – clearly good advice for anyone who does the fascist salute a lot! Harvey also says he and Beattie “ will work ever closer together” – which based on his past record such as with US Nazi Richard Barrett means he will later develop selective amnesia and deny he ever heard of him.

What is the relevance of this obsession of UKIP with their chums in The BNP and extremist politics to Junius or myself?

So when Alan Harvey and Gary Cartwright’s ‘Swinton Circle’ (aka Springbok Club) next holds a meeting will Greg Lance-Watkins and Junius be rushing to denounce it as a Nazi-linked front group and publish its address? Seems unlikely considering denial forms part of their politics.

Particularly unlikely as I do not follow the antics of these tiny extremist groups.

Hence I am unaware of the membership of the group nor what its splits were.

The relevance of the Swinton Circle was merely due to their providing a platform for senior UKIP leadership and their being seen and quoted by many as yet another extremist group UKIP leadership were associated with.

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How very true and sitting on the pile of garbage that is so clearly represented by this cowardly street sweeper are all too many seeking preferment, placement and self interest within UKIP, its leadership, its parasites and its claque.

Perhaps when the odious Street Sweeper or scum like Independent UKIP, Arthur Fonzanellie and their ilk have the integrity to put their names and IDs to their sordid postings they can explain what this odious low life Street Sweeper was trying to achieve by showing just how dishonest he is!
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#0651* – UKIP’S Mick McGough Closely Follows Our Blogs!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/09/2011

#0651* – UKIP’S Mick McGough Closely Follows Our Blogs!

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UKIP’S NEC Member Mick McGough is one of the many 1,000s who Closely Follows this Blog & Junius!

For all his huff and puff, his lies, his stupidity, his cheating and his tasteless avatar – Astonishingly he has NEVER been able to identify a single misleading post or ever a consequential lie to mislead on either post!

On the other hand Mick McGough’s dishonest, corruption and lies are well documented and proven!

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Who pays for the Junius/GLW ,pro-EU,anti-UKIP axis ?

The poor lamb can speculate all he likes but he seems to think I am a liar like him – I have NEVER been paid for my blog as I have frequently stated.

I have received a small amount of money for helping to promote a blog and a referendum historically, to cover my expenses in opposition to membership of The EU – but no other payment as I have often shown.

I cannot believe they’d be so prolific without recompense for their (wasted )time
Given that one of the team recently married can one conclude that the team posts are pensionable ?

We appreciate that as a bean counter of very little brain adding up other peoples achievements we can understand why Mick McGough might well only act for personal gain – hence no doubt his lies to try to get on the EU Gravy Train!

Laughably I note the protestations from the CHEPSTOW (reminds me of Luton) Sword of Truth that he only deals in truths .

Yet for all his silly name calling this proven liar Mick McGough has never shown an error of any consequence on this or Junius blog. NOT ONE in many 1,000s! Nor have his corrupt cronies!

More like medically induced hallucinatory drivel,a rehash of past rants and the self deluding opinions of others with delusions of grandeur.

I wonder if that childish outburst will make him be taken more seriously by the corrupt EU Leadership – who also read this blog avidly printing out huge sections of it in the hope that we have made a mistake.

ps.contrary to the published ‘truth’ of GLW my Avatar is not a picture of the UKIP Party Director but someone much,much closer to the pony-tailed one.

 Yeah I had refrained from accepting this claim from other sources as I couldn’t prove it but the sort of sandy haired plumber look in a stripey top has been claimed to be the Mare of Ramsey so often that I succumbed to riding on the hearsay – particularly in the light of the company and the propensity of the woman in question for stripey tops:

Whether we can believe Mick McGough with his proven track record for telling lies and being wrong is irrelevant that his avatar is tasteless and manages to demean someone remarkably like the Mare of Ramsey will no doubt suffice for most.

Frankly who could care less – his postings are childish enough!..
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#0639* – JUNIUS Quotes Item #1 of Derek HUNNIKIN’s Dossier.

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#0639* – JUNIUS Quotes Item #1 of Derek HUNNIKIN’s Dossier.

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JUNIUS Quotes Item #1 of Derek HUNNIKIN’s Dossier.!

There is no doubt Derek Hunninin’s various informers are right on most that they have provided but there are some glaring errors, worth noting!

I do not for a moment claim or imply that either Junius or Derek Hunnikin or even their correspondents and informers have deliberately lied or set out to mislead but the truth IS important. 

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you may be interested by the posting selected by Junius from the compilation by Derek Hunnikin and some facts related to it which are posted on The Junius blog as a comment.

1. IN THE BEGINNING

The first leader of UKIP, when it was founded towards the end of 1993, was Dr. Alan Sked who was, and still is (as far as I know), a senior lecturer at the London School of Economics. In 1994 Farage proposed that the party endeavour to campaign for UKIP to have MEP representation in the European Parliament. Dr. Sked was adamantly opposed to this proposal, as he thought it would indicate that the United Kingdom had agreed to be subservient to the European Union. Farage’s argument was that UKIP MEPs would generate income for the party and doors, which would otherwise remain closed to our party, would be opened. Farage won the day and Dr. Sked, together with several others, including Colin Bullen (who went on to be a leading light in The Campaign for an Independent Britain), resigned from UKIP.

So, right from the start, Farage has been hugely influential in the policies adopted by UKIP. Indeed, he has been either leader or de facto leader of the party ever since.

All political movements need a figurehead and Farage fulfils that role for UKIP. His energy and passion attract many, particularly the young, and his utilisation of the power of on-line social networking, and especially the online video sharing programme, YouTube, which show his passionate exchanges in the European Parliament to the generally younger viewers.

Without doubt, the fortunes of UKIP are closely linked with the style of leadership and management abilities of Farage, so let us have a look at the history of the party’s ups and downs over the past 17 years.
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Dr. Alan Sked resigned as leader of the party in July 1997 and named the then Party Chairman and Treasurer, Craig Mackinlay, as leader. Mackinlay decided that the only way to keep the party going was to rework its constitution and hold a leadership election. Mackinlay, Gerald Roberts, and Michael Holmes stood, with the backing of Farage. Michael Holmes easily won and appointed Mackinlay as his deputy.

Craig Mackinlay resigned from UKIP in 2005 and joined the Conservative Party. I do not have any information on his reasons for leaving UKIP.

Michael Holmes, having won the leadership election in 1997 was, in the same year, elected as an MEP representing the South West. In the same election Farage was elected as an MEP in the South East. As a result of a power struggle, precipitated by an unfortunate remark by Michael Holmes in the European Parliament, and his dismissal of Craig Mackinlay and Tony Scholefield from the NEC, which generated a vote of no confidence in Holmes, he stepped down as leader in 2000.

However, it should be noted that, under Michael Holmes leadership, the membership of UKIP doubled.

Jeffrey Titford was elected as the new leader of UKIP, beating Rodney Atkinson (brother of the comedian Rowan Atkinson) by 15 votes and, again, Farage had backed the winner.

Many believed that Titford should have appointed Rodney Atkinson as deputy leader or, at least, to a position of responsibility within the party. However, because Rodney Atkinson had exposed Conrad Black (who at that time owned the Telegraph group of newspapers) as a member of the Bilderberg Group, Conrad Black put UKIP under pressure not to appoint Rodney Atkinson to a position of authority within UKIP.
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Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

largely Derek Hunnikin’s compilation of documents presents facts – there are however areas that are both fancifull and misleading.

It will be noted that I have posted the entire sequence with links to it from the sidebar of:
http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
so that it can be easily retrieved in future for those seeking source documents.

However a Caveat is provided in the posting by Junius – I quote:
However, because Rodney Atkinson had exposed Conrad Black (who at that time owned the Telegraph group of newspapers) as a member of the Bilderberg Group, Conrad Black put UKIP under pressure not to appoint Rodney Atkinson to a position of authority within UKIP.

Whoever wrote this it is clearly bunkum.
May I commend as one source Robert Gaylon Ross Sr. in his excellent publication of 1994 updated in 1995
Who’s Who of the Elite’
ISBN 0-9649888-0-1

Conrad Black is clearly listed from his first visit to a Bilderberg Meeting as a member and also as a member of The trilateral Commission.

Rodney Atkinson can nopt lay claim to exposing this as it was a well documented and well known fact.

That Bill Jamieson & Christopher Booker as well respected journalists who had ardently supported both the EUroSceptic cause and UKIP Both unequivocally announced they would be unable to support UKIP if Atkinson became leader is clear – it is both fancifull and dishonest to imply this statement was made on the instruction of Black!

As I said I have published the DH compilation though there are some glaring errors – I have done so in good faith as a record of perceived facts as they are quoted.

I endorse the main thrust but clearly it carries errors.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

30 August 2011 01:39
To view the full collection of Derek Hunnikin’s compilation of documents as published in a single thread CLICK HERE 
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Do Circulate:
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Do See Also:
ONE MAN’S SABOTAGE OF A NOBLE CAUSE by Derek HUNNIKIN

Also See:
THE ASHFORD CENTRE by Derek HUNNEKIN
 

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#0594* – UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC

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#0594* – UKIP – WATCH Steve ALLISON Pull The Wings Off of its NEC

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One has to wonder why Steve Allison did not listen to those who knew he would just be used and damage what reputation he had, if he tried to find his way onto The UKIP MEP lists via The NEC!

Clearly he is starting to realise! 

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there WILL be additional comments on this posting when I get a chance but to be going on with the liar, fantasist and discreditted fool Douglas Denny has been posturing on UKIP Members’ forum but I can’t be bothered cut and pasting his desperate efforts to seem credible – However he is threatening to post on the other UKIP controlled blog owned by the corrupt and incipid little dweeb Anthony Butcher who is always willing to host any vituperative dishonesty UKIP require posted.

To find out more about the general dishonesty and specific lies of Douglas Denny CLICK HERE

To read Douglas Denny’s comment on UKIP Members’ Forum see the end of this posting!

UKIP: Steve Allison on the NEC

A most interesting report!
Which is published verbatim below and below that is parsed by both Junius and I:

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Hi,

everyone, sorry this digest is a little late but I just couldn’t summon up enthusiasm to type up my notes on the way home on Monday night. I put this down to the pint and a half I had in the Sherlock Homes before getting on the train and I have been very busy with my real life (visiting clients and earning money) since Monday. To be honest nothing of any great importance was discussed at the NEC, which is about par for the course. No papers were distributed in advance of the NEC so once again it was try to listen, read, understand and then make some useful input on the hoof. I personally am just not mentally nimble enough to do this. I am considering sending my apologies to the next NEC when no papers are circulated in advance since that will obviously mean nothing of any importance is on the agenda.

The main NEC was preceded by another Constitution Review Working Party. The draft of the constitution was at least circulated on the Friday so we had an opportunity to scan through it in advance. Unfortunately I didn’t really get the opportunity to do more than scan and so struggled to absorb and understand 18 pages of “notwithstanding” and “aforementioned clauses excepted” and other legal gobbledegook. The review meeting managed to get about half way through the third draft before it ran out of time.

There was some discussion over a clause that defined the NEC as the party’s Board of Directors and, after the Leader, the party’s principal authority. The “after the leader” was vigorously contested by several of the working party and the agreement reached was that the NEC had to have final authority on all admin and financial matters and The leader would participate in these discussions as an equal member of the NEC. The NEC was also keen to maintain final authority over the party manifesto, but accepted in principle that the leader was responsible for the political direction of the party. This actually came up in the main NEC after lunch when the Welsh Assembly Elections were discussed. (More on this later).

The main NEC kicked off with apologies for absence. Michael Zuckerman was not present but it was explained that he considered his term of office expired in March and as he was not seeking re-election, he would not be attending any more NEC Meetings. Rachel Oxley was also absent but as the Chairman announced her resignation from the NEC it was not a surprise she was not at the meeting. The NEC wished both Michael and Rachel the best for the future and expressed their thanks for their service to the party. Rachel’s resignation means that there will be six vacancies on the NEC for election in September, not five as stated in the Independence News. Nominations open for the NEC next week and close in August. The candidates will get an opportunity to speak at the Conference and the vote will be by postal ballot after that.

Minutes of the last meeting went through more or less on the nod. I missed the last meeting so I could not really comment.

Under matters arising, I gave a report on the Pan European Parties debate. The ballot papers have been printed and the fulfilment house is making up the packs this week. Ballots will be despatched to the members starting from Monday 18th July and votes need to be returned by 15th August.

The cost of preparing for the ballot has been £4,685.00 (based on an eligible voting membership of 15,519). The costs of actually receiving back and counting the returned ballots depends totally on the turn out. If we get one vote back then it will have cost £5,385.31 for that member to have his (or her) say. If we get 100% turn out then it will have cost £10,195.81 for the ballot. The actual amount will be somewhere between the two extremes!

Steve Crowther pointed out that the result of the ballot would be binding on all MEPs. Either all would join a P-EP or none would join. Gerard Batten, attending the NEC as one of the MEP Representatives (the other this time was Paul Nuttall) pointed out he would not join a P-EP that did not have a commitment to withdrawal in its articles. Currently there is no P-EP that has such a commitment. It may be that in the event of a “YES” vote in the ballot then UKIP would need to set up its own P-EP in order to have such a commitment enshrined in the P-EP’s constitution.

Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents’ associations and local independents using the “dual candidate” route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals). If for example an organisation called “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say “Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate” or “Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate” It costs £250 to register a political party and I’ve suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an “Independent” or “Residents” Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!

Nigel gave his leaders report. As per usual, nothing had been circulated in advance. Basically, all’s well with the world and things are going great. The Patrons’ Club continues to expand and the dinner that night was oversubscribed.

Chairman’s report covered the London Elections. Ten Candidates have declared for Mayor and an on-line “primary” is to be held. The names were not mentioned but I assume the London Committee are on top of this? Annual Conference in Eastbourne was mentioned. Nothing new really here apart from a suggestion that the EFD Group might use some of their budget to sponsor at least part of the conference. It was also pointed out that each individual MEP could use their allowances to have a stand at the conference show casing the work they do in their region.

A good idea really and one that would legitimately put EU/MEP money into the conference. Interesting to see how many MEPs take up this suggestion?

A new recruitment brochure was flashed in front of the NEC. This has been sent to the Regional Organisers for comment. It was not passed round to the NEC.

Legal matters was its usual depressing report. Least said about it the better

Finance showed we were in the red but not badly so. The cash flow looked worse than it was because all the costs for the conference were known but ticket sales had not yet started so that was making the situation look worse than it really was. The Deputy Treasure explained in his report that this was because the outgoings on the conference were definite items of expenditure we would be making but ticket sales were only a possible income we might be getting. So, prudence said we had to assume we wouldn’t sell any tickets until the money actually started to come in.

Jonathan Arnott has taken over the management of the introduction of the new membership database. He has only been doing this for a couple of weeks so is still getting to grips with the brief. I would have liked some form of written report and hopefully this will eventually be forthcoming. However, I’m not holding my breath!

John Bufton and David Bevan then addressed the NEC. The discussion was a little side tracked by a discussion on whether Wales had a regional organiser and if a dedicated campaign office was essential, (my view on that one is NO it isn’t. UKIP spent £50,000 on a “Campaign Office” for the 2009 European Parliament Elections and any value for money analysis would, in my opinion, have concluded it was not money well spent.).

The Welsh discussion then further meandered off the point into a quite interesting exchange of views on UKIP’s position on an English Parliament. Ultimately, the Welsh Question could not be totally lost and the answer was that policy was indeed changed at the last minute and without reference to the Welsh Committee or indeed to the NEC.

The long-standing policy of abolish the Welsh Assembly was changed to one that, in my opinion, fudged the issue to adopt a more populist line which produced a basically reformist position rather than the clear cut abolish. This was justified on the grounds that a majority of those people who bothered to vote supported more powers for the assembly at the referendum which was held just a few days before the elections. UKIP therefore had no choice but to drop the abolish the assembly policy!

This decision was taken by Nigel. As the UKIP Party Constitution currently stands he was totally within his rights and exercising powers he holds under the constitution. Indeed the Party Leader can adopt, amend or drop any policy he likes without any reference to anyone. He can consult IF he wishes to but is not obliged to take any notice of any advice he may receive. (This was the same reason UKIP supported AV. Nigel decided it was the way to go so that was UKIP’s policy!)

The Welsh Committee may indeed feel they had their legs chopped from under them and may feel that UKIP should be seeking to abolish the assembly rather than just reform it. Being a reform party does bring UKIP into line with every other party in Wales so are they all wrong? However, the bottom line is that UKIP Policy is set by Nigel. He decided a more populist reform policy was preferable to an uncompromising abolitionist policy. That is the prerogative of the UKIP Party Leader and there is nothing UKIP Wales can do about it. Of course, if chasing populist votes is the name of the game then every other party in Wales supports the EU. So maybe UKIP Wales needs to change from withdrawal from the EU to reform the EU?

There was some discussion on the MEPs code of conduct and the nine points it covered. Nothing really new was said. Basically the argument has now become circular and old ground is being re-hashed. The Code of Conduct signed by UKIP’s MEP Candidates is too weak and not enforceable. Stable doors and bolted horses come to mind. The lesson for next time needs to be learned and the document needs to clearly spell out what is expected.

The concept of “friends” groups was also discussed, as there is a request to recognise Hindu Friends of UKIP Group. As we have already recognised a UKIP Friends of Israel group, it makes it almost impossible to object to anyone who wants to attach the UKIP name to their own particular cause. Personally I would not officially recognise any “friends” groups as I consider them divisive and completely against UKIP’s supposed policy of not pandering to special interest groups. As it turn out the UKIP Friends of Israel have nearly a full page in the next issue of Independence News. Another dangerous precedent in my opinion. However, what do I know?

David Coburn made a brief presentation on why we should hold the 2012 spring conference in Gibraltar but as Steve Crowther informed the NEC that it was going to be in Skegness this made the whole discussion a bit pointless.

We were now running out of time. Nigel had already left to get ready for the Patrons’ Club pre-dinner drinks at 6.00pm and of course the important people on the NEC also needed to be getting over there promptly.

As usual, there was a lot of talk but very few or more accurately no real meaningful decisions taken. There is no NEC Meeting in August but I’m sure the Party will somehow manage to survive without our guiding hand. After all, if you look on page 18 of your Independence News you will see a comprehensive listing of “Who’s Who in UKIP” and the NEC is conspicuous by its absence!

As usual there were many things said that I have not covered but these are my high point recollections. There will be an official report by the Party Chairman posted on the Members forum in due course.

& Here it is parsed with comments:

Hi,

everyone, sorry this digest is a little late but I just couldn’t summon up enthusiasm to type up my notes on the way home on Monday night. I put this down to the pint and a half I had in the Sherlock Homes before getting on the train and I have been very busy with my real life (visiting clients and earning money) since Monday.

To be honest nothing of any great importance was discussed at the NEC, which is about par for the course.

G.L-W.:  I have been reporting in some detail on NEC meetings for many years and I agree this judgement – In fact so do UKIP leadership who have often told their members not to read my various blogs and ‘e’Mails as they are bunkum – well then clearly as they have NEVER managed to show a single dishonesty or inaccuracy one is forced to conclude the facts I provide which ARE without exception true show UKIP NEC just spout ‘bunkum’. 


As Steve makes clear – ‘It was ever thus’.

No papers were distributed in advance of the NEC

G.L-W.: Obviously as that would require planning and also members are aware so I presume Steve is ‘no one on the NEC or in UKIP’s leadership and its parasites trust eachother’. 

so once again it was try to listen, read, understand and then make some useful input on the hoof.

G.L-W.: Why when no one cares nor listens and Farage and his little claque make all the decisions anyway. 

I personally am just not mentally nimble enough to do this. I am considering sending my apologies to the next NEC when no papers are circulated in advance since that will obviously mean nothing of any importance is on the agenda.

G.L-W.: Had you thought of actimng with integrity Steve and rsigning? That would at least not lend credibility to the corrupt scam; just as did Tony Scholfield, Nikki Sinclaire, Del Young, John Whittacker, Dr. Eric Edmonds, Richard Suchorzewski, Dr. David Abbott, Petrina Holdsworth, Linda Guest, Gill Chant, Roger Knapman, John de Rourke, Anthony Butcher, John Pratt, Gregg Beaman, Simon Muir, Peter Watson – all of whom and more are no longer willing to have their reputation befouled by association with elected office in UKIP. 

For a fuller list CLICK HERE


The main NEC was preceded by another Constitution Review Working Party. The draft of the constitution was at least circulated on the Friday so we had an opportunity to scan through it in advance. Unfortunately I didn’t really get the opportunity to do more than scan and so struggled to absorb and understand 18 pages of “notwithstanding” and “aforementioned clauses excepted” and other legal gobbledegook.

G.L-W.: Clearly as crass and amateur as previous constitutions. No doubt a back door way of introducing the scams that were rejected by the members when last UKIP leadership and his parasites tried to dupe the members!

The review meeting managed to get about half way through the third draft before it ran out of time.

G.L-W.: So like previous constitutions it will be amateur and shoddy leaving UKIP facing the Courts yet more with a collection of unwinnable cases based on an as usual incompetent constitution – How many £100,000s will it cost in stupidity this time?


There was some discussion over a clause that defined the NEC as the party’s Board of Directors and, after the Leader, the party’s principal authority. The “after the leader” was vigorously contested by several of the working party and the agreement reached was that the NEC had to have final authority on all admin and financial matters and The leader would participate in these discussions as an equal member of the NEC.

G.L-W.: So the yes men will be lined up to bootlick as ever. That is how come the NEC is composed of mainly dross now – Just who amongst them would YOU put on the board of YOUR Company? Many have convictions as far as I can see and have been found to have defrauded the public purse and been ordered to repay money fraudullently obtained – Who on earth would trust these liars and pond life?

The NEC was also keen to maintain final authority over the party manifesto, but accepted in principle that the leader was responsible for the political direction of the party.

G.L-W.: UKIP NEC has no say as has been shown time and time again with the lies, distortions and fabrications of Farage on TV as an example – it seems he is only outshone as a liar by Annabelle Fuller and Mick McGough!

This actually came up in the main NEC after lunch when the Welsh Assembly Elections were discussed. (More on this later).

G.L-W.: Just as an aside to show the utter unprofessionalism of UKIP – The Devolved EU Assemblyfor Wales is risibly known as The Welsh Assembly Government or The National Assembly for Wales. For details of The Welsh Assembly CLICK HERE


The main NEC kicked off with apologies for absence. Michael Zuckerman was not present but it was explained that he considered his term of office expired in March and as he was not seeking re-election, he would not be attending any more NEC Meetings.

G.L-W.: This is normally called a resignation but he is right he Burton, Denny & Coburn all expired as members of The NEC in March though they may well have been officially extended as Yes Men for lack of a new crop. 

Rachel Oxley was also absent but as the Chairman announced her resignation from the NEC it was not a surprise she was not at the meeting.

G.L-W.: Oxley’s resignation letter was published on this blog some time ago CLICK HERE

The NEC wished both Michael and Rachel the best for the future and expressed their thanks for their service to the party. Rachel’s resignation means that there will be six vacancies on the NEC for election in September, not five as stated in the Independence News. Nominations open for the NEC next week and close in August. The candidates will get an opportunity to speak at the Conference and the vote will be by postal ballot after that.

G.L-W.: Astonishingly for a group pretending to political aspirations there are barely enough legitimate elected NEC members to form a Quorum – thus yet again the Claque of co-optees and MEPs become Farage’s new dictatorship. 

Such incompetence is hardly inspirationsl when one considers the catastrophic results from the last National Election and the farcical posturing of the Mare of Ramsey and the Party afterwards having achieved nothing of note after 18 years at a cost of £Millions!


Minutes of the last meeting went through more or less on the nod. I missed the last meeting so I could not really comment.

Under matters arising, I gave a report on the Pan European Parties debate. The ballot papers have been printed and the fulfilment house is making up the packs this week. Ballots will be despatched to the members starting from Monday 18th July and votes need to be returned by 15th August.

The cost of preparing for the ballot has been £4,685.00 (based on an eligible voting membership of 15,519). The costs of actually receiving back and counting the returned ballots depends totally on the turn out. If we get one vote back then it will have cost £5,385.31 for that member to have his (or her) say. If we get 100% turn out then it will have cost £10,195.81 for the ballot. The actual amount will be somewhere between the two extremes!

Junius says: No wonder UKIP is in the red!

G.L-W.: What a dishonest debacle this most undeniably has been – a study in bad and incompetent leadership that has done yet more to split the party with liars and cheats like Stuart Agnew MEP, Mick McGough and the like fronting the scam for a PEPP backed up by the oleaginous Michael Greaves who would seem to be just another Tory failure of no merit but much p**s and wind – like so many before him in UKIP!


Steve Crowther pointed out that the result of the ballot would be binding on all MEPs. Either all would join a P-EP or none would join.

G.L-W.: Immediately and in a spirit of professionalism Gerard Batten pointed out that Steve Crowther didn’t have a clue what he was talking about as usual – perhaps Crowther would serve himself well were he to read up on the rules of The EU – however many such pretend agreements are put in place they haven’t a shred of authority as they are ultra virese. The EU states that elected MEPs can NOT be bound to a policy or to vote a certain way by a whip or a party.

UKIP’s unprofessionalism just makes them look endlessly stupid! 

Gerard Batten, attending the NEC as one of the MEP Representatives (the other this time was Paul Nuttall) pointed out he would not join a P-EP that did not have a commitment to withdrawal in its articles.

Junius says: And there was us thinking that Gerard would never join a PEP under ANY circumstances!

G.L-W.: Thus clearly whatever UKIP members vote at a cost of upto £10K+ UKIP MEPs will do what Nigel Farage tells them and please don’t expect either Gerard Batten or John Buffton to develope a backbone and stand on their own feet as it might harm their chances of re-election and representing these United Kingdoms or their constituents has absolutely no significance to them as they have made very clear.

Currently there is no P-EP that has such a commitment. It may be that in the event of a “YES” vote in the ballot then UKIP would need to set up its own P-EP in order to have such a commitment enshrined in the P-EP’s constitution.

G.L-W.: UKIP has shown no signs of setting up a leadership nor even a structure so do try to talk some sense Steve!


Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents’ associations and local independents using the “dual candidate” route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals).

If for example an organisation called “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say “Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate” or “Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate” It costs £250 to register a political party and I’ve suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get “Hartlepool Independents” or “Hartlepool Residents” registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an “Independent” or “Residents” Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!

G.L-W.: So Denny, UKIP NEC and others will be only too happy to exploit any EU Law for personal gain and as stated seek votes from people who would not wish to vote for UKIP by subterfuge!!

How proud UKIP must be that having been an unmittigated disaster in Domestic votes for 18 years with less than 30 elected individuals out of some 19,500 available elected offices they now stoop to forming other parties to dupe the public.

We note during an EU Election UKIP set out to defeat a rival by stealing their name – yet more dishonest are the two UKIP members Andrew Smith and Mick McGough who despite their position in UKIP where one of the slimes is on The NEC they are in total breech of UKIP’s own rules and have jointly registered a UKIP spoiler party!


Nigel gave his leaders report. As per usual, nothing had been circulated in advance. Basically, all’s well with the world and things are going great.

 Junius says: Ouch!
G.L-W.: Junius seems to overlook the intelligence and political nouse of the audience to whom he was delivering the report so any old schpiel from UKIP’s sales rep would do! 

The Patrons’ Club continues to expand and the dinner that night was oversubscribed.

G.L-W.: Not very convincing!


Chairman’s report covered the London Elections. Ten Candidates have declared for Mayor and an on-line “primary” is to be held. The names were not mentioned but I assume the London Committee are on top of this? Annual Conference in Eastbourne was mentioned. Nothing new really here apart from a suggestion that the EFD Group might use some of their budget to sponsor at least part of the conference. It was also pointed out that each individual MEP could use their allowances to have a stand at the conference show casing the work they do in their region.

G.L-W.: Are we to assume Gerard Batten will not attend as The EFD is not a withdrawalist group it is pro EU Membership, pro reform (undefined), Racist, anti Homosexual, anti Jewish and has openly advocated killing immigrants from North Africa without a murmur of censure form other members!

How proud UKIP must be to have such associates in the gutter they have chosen to frequent!


A good idea really and one that would legitimately put EU/MEP money into the conference. Interesting to see how many MEPs take up this suggestion?

G.L-W.: Rather more significant would be to see an MEP make ANY donation to the party other than to get themselves re-elected so as to buy a larger pension for themselves.


A new recruitment brochure was flashed in front of the NEC. This has been sent to the Regional Organisers for comment. It was not passed round to the NEC.

G.L-W.: Clearly the NEC may think they are important but The MEPs and leadership claque do not!


Legal matters was its usual depressing report. Least said about it the better

Junius says: UKIP face ANOTHER day in court this week. Their costs could be in excess of £30,000. More on this later.

G.L-W.: UKIP have a startling record and list of guilty verdicts over the years – have they one where they were NOT found guilty?


Finance showed we were in the red but not badly so. The cash flow looked worse than it was because all the costs for the conference were known but ticket sales had not yet started so that was making the situation look worse than it really was. The Deputy Treasure explained in his report that this was because the outgoings on the conference were definite items of expenditure we would be making but ticket sales were only a possible income we might be getting. So, prudence said we had to assume we wouldn’t sell any tickets until the money actually started to come in.

G.L-W.: The treasurer being Stuart Wheeler who has already stated he is not interested in the dishonesty of the accounts and his deputy Hugh Williams having a proven track record of dishonesty and cheating members I guess this report is about as trustworthy as they used to be when that liar and charlatan Andrew Smith pretended to keep the books!


Jonathan Arnott has taken over the management of the introduction of the new membership database. He has only been doing this for a couple of weeks so is still getting to grips with the brief. I would have liked some form of written report and hopefully this will eventually be forthcoming. However, I’m not holding my breath!

Junius says: Don’t hold your breath. Jonathon ‘frightened rabbit’ Arnott is about as much use as a chocolate fireplace. If he had just one brain cell, he’d be dangerous.

G.L-W.: Perhaps Junius is a little harsh on the lad as he did get a degree in sums and even taught maths in a little private school for a while. I understand he obtained a Masters qualification in the consumption of pies – as skill in whichh I gather his fellow members in Sheffield excel

John Bufton and David Bevan then addressed the NEC. The discussion was a little side tracked by a discussion on whether Wales had a regional organiser and if a dedicated campaign office was essential, (my view on that one is NO it isn’t. UKIP spent £50,000 on a “Campaign Office” for the 2009 European Parliament Elections and any value for money analysis would, in my opinion, have concluded it was not money well spent.).

The Welsh discussion then further meandered off the point into a quite interesting exchange of views on UKIP’s position on an English Parliament. Ultimately, the Welsh Question could not be totally lost and the answer was that policy was indeed changed at the last minute and without reference to the Welsh Committee or indeed to the NEC.

The long-standing policy of abolish the Welsh Assembly was changed to one that, in my opinion, fudged the issue to adopt a more populist line which produced a basically reformist position rather than the clear cut abolish. This was justified on the grounds that a majority of those people who bothered to vote supported more powers for the assembly at the referendum which was held just a few days before the elections. UKIP therefore had no choice but to drop the abolish the assembly policy!

Junius says: More twisted Farage logic. So as the Welsh voted for more devolution in the March referendum it would be undemocratic for UKIP to abolish the assembly? So what about the 1975 referendum? British people voted to stay in the EEC. Shouldn’t UKIP then support continued EU membership using the result of that referendum as the basis for their argument?

G.L-W.: UKIP is little more than a rather bad joke in Wales – this is not the first catastrophic intervention by Farage as many will remember the stumble bum drunk in the frock he introduced at the last minute in a previous election:

Previous to that he foist the self serving and untrustworthy Jim Carver on UKIP Wales to sell his umbrellas and latterly with the duplicitous David Lott to seek to corrupt an election based upon lies and corruption.


This decision was taken by Nigel. As the UKIP Party Constitution currently stands he was totally within his rights and exercising powers he holds under the constitution. Indeed the Party Leader can adopt, amend or drop any policy he likes without any reference to anyone. He can consult IF he wishes to but is not obliged to take any notice of any advice he may receive. (This was the same reason UKIP supported AV. Nigel decided it was the way to go so that was UKIP’s policy!)

G.L-W.: So UKIP may wish to be democratically elected and resent the lack of democracy in the EU but do not even accept the first principles of democracy within their own organisation and for all the fuss show there is absolutely no point in having a Constitution as being a dictatorship every item can be set aside by Farage with out consultation and hinderance!

This was noted by one long term supporter of UKIP and sent to me witjh the lament that ‘IF you exchanged Farage for Chavez it was sadly almost exactly accurate of UKIP:

…thus exposing a major weakness of Chavez’s government which is that the leader has no heir. That is partly by design, of course. Chavez has put loyalty to himself before loyalty to the state, squashed any rival to his power (even top lieutenants keep low profiles) and surrounded himself with talentless cronies. Approval ratings of leading members of his party languish in the low 30s. Thus Chavism as a political movement has a limited future.

Sadly how very true!


The Welsh Committee may indeed feel they had their legs chopped from under them and may feel that UKIP should be seeking to abolish the assembly rather than just reform it. Being a reform party does bring UKIP into line with every other party in Wales so are they all wrong?

However, the bottom line is that UKIP Policy is set by Nigel. He decided a more populist reform policy was preferable to an uncompromising abolitionist policy. That is the prerogative of the UKIP Party Leader and there is nothing UKIP Wales can do about it.

G.L-W.: So the membership and the donors can go and get stuffed as long as they keep Farage in the manner he has come to expect at the expense of UKIP and in betrayal of these United Kingdoms – where as shown in this example alone he clearly states his disinterest in principles and integrity, leadership or morality, ethics or democracy – ANY expediency will do to get hiself elected!

Of course, if chasing populist votes is the name of the game then every other party in Wales supports the EU. So maybe UKIP Wales needs to change from withdrawal from the EU to reform the EU?

Junius says: Confirmation that UKIP is a dictatorship under one man.

G.L-W.:But UKIP does support The EU and is even campaigning to help undermine Patriotic domestic politics – hardly surprising in view of their risible results in domestic elections – their only hope is in doing well for themselves in The EU, whatever principles they may prostitute to do so!


There was some discussion on the MEPs code of conduct and the nine points it covered. Nothing really new was said. Basically the argument has now become circular and old ground is being re-hashed. The Code of Conduct signed by UKIP’s MEP Candidates is too weak and not enforceable. Stable doors and bolted horses come to mind. The lesson for next time needs to be learned and the document needs to clearly spell out what is expected.

G.L-W.:  As already stated this is utter cobblers!


The concept of “friends” groups was also discussed, as there is a request to recognise Hindu Friends of UKIP Group. As we have already recognised a UKIP Friends of Israel group, it makes it almost impossible to object to anyone who wants to attach the UKIP name to their own particular cause.

G.L-W.:  Especially as Friends of Israel are utterly corrupt and based upon unsound ethics being in fact Friends of Zionism one of the great evils on this planet with which no political party should EVER be associated. How does UKIP justify the massacres by the Zionist Terrorists of the IDF?

How does UKIP justify the fascist style slaughter of Palestinians in their own homes? 


How does UKIP justify the creation of a ghetto surrounded by concrete walls and razor wire and attacked by helicopter gunships and turned to rubble with tanks by zionist filth?


Hated by The Jewish peoples world wide:

Personally I would not officially recognise any “friends” groups as I consider them divisive and completely against UKIP’s supposed policy of not pandering to special interest groups. As it turn out the UKIP Friends of Israel have nearly a full page in the next issue of Independence News. Another dangerous precedent in my opinion. However, what do I know?

G.L-W.:  I totally agree with Steve on this point – That UKIP are friends with such vile people and with the revolting racists, anti homosexual and anti Jewish supporters of membership of The EU speaks volumes of the ethics of UKIP in a manner no amount of denial will expunge!


David Coburn made a brief presentation on why we should hold the 2012 spring conference in Gibraltar but as Steve Crowther informed the NEC that it was going to be in Skegness this made the whole discussion a bit pointless.

G.L-W.: What keeps David Coburn’s ears apart as clearly it isn’t common sense – nor is it likely this would be approved as the party dictator and Steve’s resume shows Farage is Dictator of UKIP, he would not be able to attend. Perhaps this clown Coburn should learn a little of the party and try to understand the EU before making a fool of himself.

Unsurprisingly Farage has left when Coburn was wasting everyone’s time!


We were now running out of time. Nigel had already left to get ready for the Patrons’ Club pre-dinner drinks at 6.00pm and of course the important people on the NEC also needed to be getting over there promptly.

G.L-W.: Steve has made it abundantly clear there is no one of importance on the NEC, those of any merit are long gone and even the lees of the leadership claque are no more than a joke in bad taste!


As usual, there was a lot of talk but very few or more accurately no real meaningful decisions taken. There is no NEC Meeting in August but I’m sure the Party will somehow manage to survive without our guiding hand. After all, if you look on page 18 of your Independence News you will see a comprehensive listing of “Who’s Who in UKIP” and the NEC is conspicuous by its absence!

Junius says: Why are you so surprised? Fuhrer Farage makes all the decisions! We did warn you!  

G.L-W.: Perhaps Steve would care to go back through the records of UKIP and establish when if ever The NEC had ANY relevance, any respect or any meaningful input. UKIP NEC are the posturing castrati of the UKIP choir singing for their master and droppings from his trough!                     


As usual there were many things said that I have not covered but these are my high point recollections. There will be an official report by the Party Chairman posted on the Members forum in due course.

Junius says: Why are you so surprised? Fuhrer Farage makes all the decisions! We did warn you!

G.L-W.:Hardly worth the effort with a mere handfull of members posting there and only to be noticed as they seek praise and position on the members’ heavily censored Forum.

It is hardly worth reading, in fact I rarely do these days as it is so boring and not a political brain cell in sight!

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As increasingly UKIP leaders and their parasites fall out and squabble like ferrests in a sack to keep their positions and access to self importance and their snouts in the troughs – you will note the calliber of the NEC has all but collapsed.

Even the dross is drifting off disgruntled with Rachel Oxley who was as much use as a soup sandwich, seemingly unwilling to carry on as just as she had no past achievements she realised there were none likely in the future.

Michael Zukerman has also drifted away no doubt in the realisation that he could not expect to make more money out of UKIP – you will note virtually every case UKIP has entered since he as a Solicitor joined has led to a Guilty verdict against UKIP. Such a track record can not have helped the record of Bent & Manure!

We still see the liar Derek Clark posing & posdturing, when he can hear what is going on, I wonder when he will have the integrity to admit he is a liar and appologise for his basic dishonesty – he may even care to tell members just howmuch he was ordered to repay to The EU when found guilty of stealing public money by OLAF – a difficult item to report on as he is still waiting for details of the action his local constabulary will be taking against him

We note that having read the OLAF Report available under FoI that removed any pretence of inaccuracy in the Sunday Times article that he may have tried to promote Mike Nattrass has decided to withdraw his threats of prosecution against The Sunday Times.

As I recal The Sunday Times offered to publish the updated info but Nattrass didn’t want that he demanded an apology and was claiming they had prevented him from being UKIP leader (some will remember when the summer holidays ended Mike decided to have an extended holiday in The Phillipines and wasn’t even around until the later part of the leadership election.

Dellusionaly that did not stop him claiming ‘it was The ST wot dun it‘ or he would have won so he demanded a full apology.

Well he did til he realised just how close he had come to being found guilty and like Graham Booth being forced to repay money as also with Farage, West, Titford and Clark.

The threats and bluster have collapsed like a pricked balloon and I expect Nattrass will hope for the update to get the egg off his face.

One has to wonder if Stuart Agnew and David Bannerman will get off as lightly, in view of their confessions and fraud..
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Added from UKIP Members’ Forum as posted by Douglas Denny:

Quote Originally Posted by “Douglas Denny
I agree with the Wales committee.

I do not see any reason why UKIP should follow populist “fashions” in politics just because other parties take a populist stance about regional devolution and regional assemblies. Just because they follow the populist argument that that is what the public seem to want does NOT necessarily make it right for the country in the context of British independence or long-term stability. It does not do these things; it is pure short-term, short-sighted politics.

The public have not been properly informed for forty years what the EU is all about, nor do they know much about the real issues involved in regional government or Regional Assemblies as they have been (deliberately) kept largely in the dark about it. They know so little about the EU itself – why do people seem to think they know much about the implications of Regional government and Assemblies?

The public are wrong to accept regional assemblies and devolved government because it breaks up the existing system of local government and promotes the EU’s ideology of regional government. On that basis UKIP should oppose it – and UKIP would be RIGHT in doing so.

In fact regional devolution goes against the primary rationale of UKIP in my opinion – to oppose all EU inspired constructs which interfere with the existing political structure of Great Britain, and especially if such interference assists in the breakup of the United Kingdom. UKIP should be conserving the constitution of the UK, not helping to break it up.

The implied opposition to the EU, and support for a United Kingdom is incorporated into our very name: The United Kingdom Independence Party.
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It is now Nigel Farage’s policy – and therefore UKIP’s because the Leader has ultimate authority to make or change policy without reference to anyone – to accept a “Federal United Kingdom”. … a system of separate federal governmental ‘states’ within Britain. (All coming under the overall jurisdiction of the EU of course !)

I publicly state now I profoundly disagree with this stance.

I have to go along with it if the Leader says that is what it is because I have no choice – but I still disagree with it.

This case is an excellent example of where UKIP, after the Roger Knapman inspired change in UKP’s constitution, (to have only the Leader determining policy without reference to the NEC or anyone else) is now in a profoundly precarious situation with a particular policy, having one person only determining that policy – and that person can do so and change it on the hoof. It should be perfectly obvious it is highly dangerous, and this is an example of it.
It is a recipe for division within the party – as well as being as a policy – de facto – divisive for the country. The pan-European parties issue is another example of potentially highly divisive policy within the party, but at least in this case the membership get to make the final decision.

Having as official policy the support of devolved regional governments is a highly dangerous and worrying course for UKIP to take in my opinon.

Regional government and assemblies is a direct EU construct.
A “Federal Britain” of regional governments is an excellent way of encouraging squabbling between them. They then become ripe for takeover if they wish to devolve further by direct control from Brussels in the future. Divide and rule (i.e. and therefore conquer) is as true and effective a strategy now as it always has been in history.

Supporting devolution and regional assemblies as official policy does not enhance our profile in the country as the known and respected opposition party to the EU.
As a policy it will not win votes.
It assists the EU in its agenda.
It goes directly against UKIP’s principles in my opinon.
For the population size of this country we do not need devolved regional governments for good, effective, efficient government.

We have had a perfectly good system of democratically elected representatives meeting in a single parliament, and a regional system of local government as county and District councils. It worked perfectly well for hundreds of years – it could do so again – but only if, and when, we can get rid of the dead hand of the EU around the throat of the Westminster parliament which is presently throttling it.

Like everything the EU does: devolved government and regional assemblies are a chimera, a lie, a sop to the worst instincts of the public to pretend they have better democracy, and it bamboozles them into thinking they get better government whereas in reality they DO NOT.
The public fall for it every time as they are just stupid.

The EU is still making those 80% of all rules, regulations, laws and directives just the same – and there is nothing the regional devolved “governments” can do about it. “Devolved government” and Mickey-Mouse Regional Assemblies are just a sham of democracy. UKIP should – and rightly so – oppose them.

Douglas Denny.

YAWN!
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