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#0305* – UKIP WALES Ex CHAIRMAN: ‘UKIP is now a complete irrelevance’

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/02/2011

#0305* – UKIP WALES Ex CHAIRMAN: ‘UKIP is now a complete irrelevance’
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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Niall WARRY TheEx CHAIRMAN of UKIP WALES
‘UKIP is now a complete irrelevance’!!

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UKIP is now a complete irrelevance.

3 reasons and more as to why I’ll be posting and commenting a lot less for a while on this UKIP part of the Forum.

The First reason: – is that after my nearly 6700 posts nothing much has changed, so as skeptyk recently pointed out, I feel I need to follow my oft quoted adage:-

“INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THIG OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT!”

The Second reason: 
– is I have in the last few months become increasingly aware that:-

“THE ONLY THING WE LEARN FROM HISTORY IS THAT WE LEARN NOTHING FROM IT!”

Which in the context of the EU means that what will be will be and there is nothing that UKIP or anyone else can do about it. This is especially so since the signing of the Lisbon Treaty and in my opinion (and yes B.A. Ware this thread is all my opinion!) the most likely scenario is that the Euro region will split in two which would then give us the chance of re- negotiating our relationship with the EU. However whether this chance is taken is again another matter.

The Third reason: 
– I shall be posting and commenting far less in the UKIP part of this Forum- is that UKIP is now a complete irrelevance having achieved NOTHING of consequence in the last 17 years to aid our withdrawal from the EU. Also given that it is about to be consumed into the Pan European EFD, in all bar name if UKIP is lucky, UKIP will virtually cease to exist.
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OK so why has UKIP been so ineffective over the years – well I guess two words sum up the reason and they are:-

NIGEL FARAGE:

Leaving aside his media strengths Nigel has been the most abysmal and diabolical LEADER I have ever been associated with.

He has had no strategy, tactics, vision or plan to speak of, has no idea of how to set an example, is divisive, has no integrity, is morally deficient , totally unprincipled, financially greedy, unscrupulous, vain and dreadfully insecure to name but a few of his more obvious weaknesses!

While he may not as yet have been accused or charged with any criminality he is widely perceived to lack financial or moral probity with a host of unanswered questions he has so far refused to explain. Hopefully one day the old bill will come knocking on his door looking for answers?

He has of course managed to remain in power by: 
“Fooling most of the members of UKIP most of the time.”

From my experiences of Chairman of Wales and Cheltenham I know that most UKIP members and members of the public have absolutely no idea what is going on in UKIP, and vote for Nigel, simply because he looks good on the telly!

As to the rest of his supporters in the party I believe they fall into two main categories:-

1. Those who like him, are making money from the EU and don’t really care what he gets up to. This obviously includes his fellow UKIP MEPs and his staff all of whom he controls.

2. Those who are totally naive and believe that despite his MANY failings some greater good is served by not rocking the boat too severely if at all.

To this second category I’d say:-

“ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR EVIL TO TRIUMPH IS THAT GOOD MEN DO NOTHING.”

From what I can now see history teaches us that you have to change a political party form WITHIN as Blair did to New Labour, but all those against Nigel have ended up leaving UKIP rather like the ‘Gang of Four’ left the labour Party – and look what happened to them!

If ALL his dissenters had stayed in the party and fought from within something might have been achieved. But they would have needed a strong leader with enough time to formulate a plan to win over the membership as to why Nigel’s strengths were not as leader.

I did try to fight from within for 5 years and know some other people tried to improve UKIP, like the Lechlade and Phoenix Groups. However I don’t think they really had the right leadership or stomach for the fight. As a result Nigel was able to out manoeuvre them especially as he controlled the money and staff placements.

So I now intend to concentrate on my local election campaign, my BBC bias blog The Freedom Association, The UK Defence Association and my work with The Royal British Legion.

As to the ‘INDEPENDENT Leave-the EU Alliance’ it is to be mothballed but NOT folded as to keep it ‘live’ only costs £25 a year. I think the I L-T-EU A has much going for it and it can always be taken off the shelf and dusted down if needs be. Never forget:-

“A JOURNEY OF 1000 MILES STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP.” 
And that step has been taken!

If you have any doubts about the value of more INDEPENDENTS at Westminster please read Vernon Coleman’s book ‘Bloodless Revolution’. 
If you get in contact by private message I’ll send you a copy free, as he gave us 500 copies for the election and I still have a few left!!

Now to all those who say I’ve not answered questions put to me on this Forum I beg to disagree as I have always tried to answer directly and as you all know I post under my own name.

However I confess to getting hacked off with some you from time to time, which I regret, for I genuinely believe that debate is not improved by intemperate language.

This leads me to my support for GLW but I would remind you of what I have ALWAYS said which is:-

‘I don’t agree with all he says or ESPECIALLY the way that he says it’

I think his pursuit of Nigel, to see him held to account, is a worthy cause as nobody should be allowed to benefit and get away with as much as he has. 
However I believe GLW is now wasting his time trying to reform UKIP as it is completely beyond reform, given Nigel’s hold over the party and his plans to consume UKIP into the EFD.
I don’t fault GLW, with others, for their determination to try and clean up UKIP and make it electable, but I personally doubt this will EVER happen.

Finally I still intend to update the Forum, from time to time, on what is being said by the likes of GLW, Junius and Eric Edmonds under the new heading ‘UKIP-vs-EUKIP’ so I’m not going to completely fade away and will still be posting under my own name when I do – although I was debating adopting the pseudonym “The ORACLE” but modesty will not allow!!

Good luck to those of you that remain discussing UKIP but personally I believe you are all flogging a dying if not dead horse! CLICK HERE

Niall Warry
Telephone – 01749 838816
Mobile – 07957 872074
‘e’Mail at – niall@warry.go-plus.net

CLICK HERE 
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BBC Institutional Bias

Please permit me a correction of a possible misunderstanding:

I have NEVER been anything other than a supporter of UKIP in declared principle and aims and have ALWAYS defended and supported the party.

It is for this reason and in a fundamental belief in the genuine patriotic nature of the peoples of these United Kingdoms that our historic Continental enemies have done all they can to debase and break apart.
Consider the underhand behaviour of France in repeatedly seeking to attack, conquer and abuse these United Kingdoms – whether by Agincourt, Plessy or Cressy or the efforts made to destroy the Union with their support of the snivelling coward known as ‘Bonnie’ Prince Charley for his availability to the men of The Court of Versailles and let us unfairly claim because he was a complete charley! Few Countries make much of having been led to defeat from the back by a leader who promptly ran away dressed in a frock!

Even The Welsh were genuinely disgusted by their betrayal by their own Minister of State tripping around Clapham Common in his wife’s frock giving oral sex sequentially to male strangers!

Let us not forget the various occasions when Germany has set out to create a Union in EUrope – aided by The Franks of Vichy France.

Firstly PLEASE show an instance anywhere on any of my blogs where I have EVER wittingly told a lie about a person or misrepresented a fact; or for that matter, where I have EVER attacked UKIP – I have frequently, however, criticised the activities of those who have betrayed, befouled or besmirched the principles and values of the Patriotic decent folk who are the grass roots foundations of UKIP.
IF you locate a consequential error in ANY of my blogs or an accidental error I have made of consequence PLEASE contact me and I will IMMEDIATELY check out the facts and make any correction apposite.
My contact details can be located at: CLICK HERE 

Thank you.

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#0287* – UKIP & Frank CARSON an IRISH COMIC!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 14/02/2011

#0287* – UKIP & Frank CARSON an IRISH COMIC!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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UKIP & Frank CARSON an IRISH COMIC!
ONE BAD JOKE DESERVES ANOTHER!
CLEARLY THE OLD ONES ARE THE BEST!

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Hi,

a good little video sadly missing much of the punch for Northern Ireland but at least seemingly sincere and tells the key points well without sidetracking to idiotic manifesto fantasies.


I thought the most apposite comment was:

Leadership within UKIP & a display of how they act towards the electorate as a democratic organisation  – informing, asking, helping & listening to people but most of all integrity, probity & transparency the true values of a sovereign caring Britain.

For more of the same we can vote Lib.Lab.Con. Its not manifestos no one delivers, money no one accounts for, politicians no one cares about that are needed – it is clear honest, ethical leadership & people on the ground not poncing around abroad!

Such a pity there is still no sign of probity, leadership ability, consistency or a shred of decency amongst the leadership and their paid praise singers, singing for their salaries and status, and parasites many too ashamed to put their own name to their claims.

The self serving vitriolic back biting of the scum gathered around the UBend that traps the filth forming UKIP’s racist, xenophobic, sexually intolerant EFD supporting leadership are the tragedy of UKIP.

The members do all they can and look at the squabbling dishonest and corrupt shower that let them down – there are only 2 UKIP elected MEPs left, actively campaigning visibly in Britain who have the basic decency to refuse to support The EU policy of Pan EU Political Groups and morally and financially supporting the.sordid EFD.

UKIP is still too corrupt to honour its financial moral committments incurred through dishonesty and harassment. They just lack the ethics needed for leadership and clearly lack the basic honour code our politicians need if they are to make a change for Britain.

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 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

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Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
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#0286* – #Doc022* – They QUIT UKIP – Mostly In Disgust

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 13/02/2011

#0286* –  #Doc022* – They QUIT UKIP – Mostly In Disgust!  
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
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#0286* –  #Doc022* – They QUIT UKIP – Mostly In Disgust!
EASILY FOUND IN THE RIGHT SIDEBAR:
Heading: >UKIP Its ASSOCIATES & DETAILS<
Sub Heading: >UKIP Members QUIT – Mainly In Disgust<

You will find lots more ‘Quick Links’ that may help from people to Treaties, Laws to web sites, Blogs to sources!

WE DO TRY TO BE 100% accurate with the Facts we provide but are all too well aware we are at risk of being dishonestly set up and for this reason we will NOT consider supposed facts from people too ashamed to put their own name to their comments.

Further NEVER ONCE have we set out to deceive and never once have we published a deliberate lie of any kind on any subject – To ensurer we are available to all who seek to make corrections if by mistake we do provide false information my phone number, name address and ‘e’Mail are readily available.

I PROMISE to make ANY correction of material fact that I have got wrong and will be only too happy to give the source and provide the corrected version if it is a consequential error. To date fortunately every single fact of consequence has been true and not a single correction of consequence has been required.
Greg Lance-Watkins 01291 – 62 65 62
Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com
8  Middle Street,
NP16 5ET

Monmouthshire. 

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#Doc022* – They QUIT UKIP – Mostly In Disgust

Hi,

hang on a mo – I know how dedicated you are to the cause of restoring democracy to Britain, control over our own borders, the right to self determination and liberation from the malign influences of membership of The EU but to be fair so are most of the sadly and dishonestly misled members and voters for UKIP.

As you know one of my many blogs is:

CATERPILLARS and BUTTERFLIES
& another is
UKIP-vs-EUkip

and I am as determined as you, beyond any shadow of doubt to disseminate the truth and relentlessly seek to exit The EUropean Union.

It is not true or fair or logical to represent me or those at Junius who I know fairly well or the dedicated team at INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance as anti UKIP in any way – we are ALL determined to see Britain liberated from the EU as are UKIP.

It is the leadership and the claque of nere do wells who have seized control of UKIP and befouled it as EUkip, dragging it into the pro EU Pan EU Political Party EFD grouping, who are beneath contempt for their treacherous and corrupt betrayal of these United Kingdoms for their own gain and self enrichment who I oppose.

I do not believe you will locate a single solitary denigration of UKIP in the 100s of blogs I have written but I, like most of those who have left the party act in sadness at the dishonesty, corruption, bullying and utter incompetence of what has become a party which supports & gives credence to racist, xenophobic, anti Jewish, sexually intolerant partners in The EU.

Here is the list but ANY corrections will be made as rapidly as possible just phone me or ‘e’Mail me with your name and land line – sorry if there are any errors but the list was compiled from memory and has been checked by several people:

ABBOTT, Dr. David

BAKER, Marrietta

BAKER, Peter (is still a titular member despite the shameful treatment by Derek Clark – CORRECTION)

BARNISH, Paul

BAUGH, Alan

BAYNES, Len

BEAMAN, Gregg

BEAMAN, Rosie

BELOBABA, Drew

BOOKER, Barbara

BOWLES, John

BOXALL, Lawrie

BRADLEY, Angela

BROOKS, Denis

BROWN,  Lesley

BULLEN, Bernadette

BULLEN, Colin

BURDEN, John

BUTCHER, Anthony

COLE, Peter

COLLIER, Geoffrey (still a member but campaigning vociferously for change – CORRECTION)

COMPOBASSI, Peter

CONGDON, Prof. Tim G.

CONNYNGHAM, Helen

COOKE, Chris

CHANT, Jill

EDMOND, Dr. Eric

EDWARDS, Andrew (actually made no effort to remain after accusations of BNP membership – CORRECTION)

ELLIS, Anne

ELLIS, Diane

ELLIS-ROSWELL, Alex

ELLWOOD, Tony

GILLMAN, Ian

GIRSMAN, Janet

GREEN, Rae

GUEST, Jon

GUEST, Linda

HANSFORD, Keith

HARVEY, Michael

HASLAM, Martin

HILLIER, Michael

HOCKNEY, Damian

HOLDSWORTH, Petrina

HOLMES, Michael

HUDSON, Chris

HULME-CROSS, Peter

KILROY-SILK, Robert

KINGSCOTT, Geoffrey

LAMB, David

LANCE-WATKINS, Greg (never actually a member) – Won Court Case against UKIP CLICK HERE

LEE, Brian

LONGMAN, Judith

McCONNACHIE, Alistaire

McKINNLEY, Craig

McWHIRTER, Rob

MERCHANT, Piers (subsequently deceased)

MILTON, Liz

MOTE, Ashley

MUIR, Simon

NORTH, Dr. Richard

NOAKES, David

OLINS, Fabian quit & has subsequently died

PADMORE, Brendan (made much of his disgust but never actually quit – CORRECTION)

PAGE, John

PAGE, Robin

PARSONS, Andrew

PARR, Stan

PETLEY, John

PRATT, John

PRYOR, James

ROBERTS, Gerald

ROEKE, John de

ROGERS, Peter

ROWE, Bridget

SAMUEL-CAMPS, David

SAMUELS, David

SCHOFIELD, Tony

SKED, Dr. Alan

SMALLEY, Brian

STEAD, Marcus

STRINGFELLOW, Margaret

SUCHORZEWSKI, Richard

SYKES, Paul

TROY, Peter

UPTON, Ian

WARRY, Niall

WATSON, Peter

WESSON, Paul

WEST, Alison

WEST, George

WEST, John – Branch Chairman – won Court Case against UKIP

WESTROP, Maddie – Branch Chairman + W. Mids. Regional Committee

WHEELER, Stuart (UpDate: QUIT in disgust and stood against UKIP in an election but returned eventually but insisted that he be treasurer as he could not trust the party with any money under Farage otherwise. The current treasurer seems arbitrarily to have been kicked out! CLARIFICATION)
 
WHITE, Steve

WHITTAKER, John (Actually only quit as Chairman, unwilling to support dishonesty, remained a member – CORRECTION)

WILLIAMS, Tom

WILLIAMSON, Chris

YOUNG, Delroy

& clearly many many more!
Do let me know if there are any glaring omissions or errors and they will be corrected as soon as possible.

I am firmly of the belief that the party as EUkip under the leadership of Farage, in whatever guise, as I warned well over a dozen years ago that it would be, is unfit for purpose and like fish would rot from the head down and you only need to consider the following:

Membership of the vile Racist, anti Jewish, violently sexually intolerant and xenophobic trash of the gutters of EUrope where UKIP associate and support The Pan EU Political EFD Group!

AGNEW MEP, Stuart

ANDREASEN MEP, Marta

BANNERMAN MEP, David THE Desk

BATTEN MEP, Gerard

BLOOM MEP, Godfrey

BOOTH MEP, Graham

BOWN, Alan

BUFTON MEP, John

CLARK MEP, Derek

COLLETT, Robin

COLMAN MEP, Trevor

CROUCHER, Mark

CURTIS, George

DARTMOUTH MEP, William Earl of

DENNY, Douglas & HERE or CLICK HERE

DUFFY, Lisa

FARAGE MEP, Nigel

FULLER, Annabelle

GILL, Christopher

GRIFFITHS, Phil

HARRIS, Steve

HEAVERS, Michael

HOLMES MEP, Michael

IRVINE, Ken

ISON, John Paul

JENKINS, Lindsay

KNAPMAN MEP, Roger

LITHGOW, Adrian

McGOUGH, Michael

MONCRIEFF, Andrew

MORAN, John

NATTRASS MEP, Mike

OXLEY, Rachel

PARR, Stuart

PEARSON, Malcolm Lord

RANSOM, Ron

REED, Steve

REEVE, Peter

ROWE, Bridget

SMITH, Andrew

TITFORD MEP, Jeffrey

TOWLER, Gawain

WADSWORTH, Mark

WHEELER, Stuart

WILLIAMS, Hugh

WISE MEP, Tom

WOOD, Malcolm

ZUCHERMAN, Michael

To name but a few!

To realise just how rotten that head has become.

You will note my every blog on the subject commences with the admonishment:

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

I trust this clarifies what you might has been misled to believe about me by proven liars like Douglas Denny, Michael McGough, Paul Nuttall, David Bannerman, Stuary Agnew, Malcolm Wood and their sordid ilk; many of whom are too ashamed to put their real names to their dishonest comments such as Skeptyk, Independent UK, Baron von Lotsov, Streetwalker and other similar pond life!

Regards,

Greg L-W. My Full CONTACT DETAILS


http://GregLanceWatkins.blogspot.com

SOME of my BLOGS

http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com

http://StolenChildhood-Bloggers.blogspot.com

http://GL-W.blogspot.com

ON POLITICS

http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.blogspot.com

http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com

http://JuniusOnUKIP.blogspot.com

http://NiallWarry.blogspot.com

EUroRealist

http://www.SilentMajority.co.UK

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU.

It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,

Greg L-W.

01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED, SINCE THEY PUT PARTY BEFORE PRINCIPLES!

 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance
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LEAVE-THE-EU  
to Reclaim YOUR Future   

GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

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