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Ukip’s Close Friend & Well Established Criminal Allie Prof. Vladimir Bukovsky in Court!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 12/12/2016

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Ukip’s Close Friend & Well Established Criminal Allie Prof. Vladimir Bukovsky in Court! Those with longer memories and actual knowledge of Ukip will remember Bukovsky’s relationship with David Lott, Mark Croucher, Gerard Batten, Nigel Farage and various other senior Ukippers!

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Ukip friend, advisor and active campaigner Vladimir Bukovsky has used the rather implausible defence that he was doing research, just how gullible does this so called Professor think the British Court are? Just how far his ‘research’ went and whether it involved actual physical harm to minors has not been established and just what research programme was he on and for whom, or was it merely for self gratification of his perversions!

Those with a long memory of this evil old man, who has downloaded over 20,000 pornographic pictures + videos of mostly young boys, many involved in S&M, claimed his research showed that they seemed to enjoy their exploitation so he didn’t think it mattered!

Bukovsky tried to avoid Court by skipping to Germany, ostensibly for medical treatment, but eventually has had to surrender to Bail and faces a 4 or 5 day court case in Cambridge!

Many will remember his talks and recordings made both for and with Ukip, working closely with David Lott, Mark Croucher, Gerard Batten, Nigel Farage and others, particularly on the subject of refusing to pay the compulsory TV Tax which is passed off as a license to watch the propaganda of the State broadcaster, which is heavily subsidised by huge soft loans and free facilities by the EU, who of course fund such corrupt subsidies in many fields paid for out of the money they extort from the citizens and subjects of states unfortunate enough to be EU members.

One wonders whether Bukovsky’s ‘research’ was shared with any of the suspected pornographers and perverts in Ukip? Or for that matter any of the other political parties with whom he may have worked – Perhaps in that he did not believe that there was any harm in his perversion, albeit against the law as he knew, would he care to show his belief in it by listing those he shared his vile interests with!

Soviet dissident had thousands of child abuse images, UK court told

Vladimir Bukovsky downloaded indecent images and films over 15-year period, Cambridge crown court hears

Vladimir Bukovsky
The Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky is pushed in a wheelchair as he arrives at Cambridge crown court. Photograph: Justin Tallis/AFP/Getty Images

The Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky downloaded thousands of indecent images of children over a 15-year period, most of them featuring boys, a court has been told.

Bukovsky, 73, is charged with 10 counts of making and possessing indecent photos and one count of possessing an indecent computer-generated graphic. He denies all charges.

William Carter, prosecuting, told a jury at Cambridge crown court on Monday that Bukovsky’s computer was identified during an operation by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre. Police arrested him in October 2014 at his home on the outskirts of Cambridge.

Bukovsky, who was expelled from the Soviet Union in 1976, told detectives he had indecent material, the court heard. “He [Bukovsky] responded immediately by saying he did download images and that they would be on the computer in his study,” Carter said.

The police subsequently discovered “a very great deal of material” on two hard drives. It showed some “very young” children up to the ages of 12 and 13. They were “largely but by no means exclusively boys”, the court was told. There were some adults involved.

In an interview, Bukovsky told detectives he had become interested in child abuse images in the 1990s in the context of a debate on the control and censorship of the internet. “He became curious,” Carter said. Bukovsky then looked for and discovered this material online, the prosecutor said.

“Bukovsky said his initial curiosity turned into a hobby, rather like stamp collecting,” Carter said. The dissident continued to download images between 1999 and 2014, and estimated that he had accumulated a collection of “1,500 movies”. His interest varied year by year. The last downloads took place days before his arrest.

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“His computer was looking for material constantly,” Carter told the jury. “Mr Bukovsky said in essence he didn’t see what harm he was doing. He said the children in most of the material looked as if they were enjoying themselves.”

The prosecution acknowledged that Bukovsky was a notable Kremlin critic seen as a hero by those who supported “the extension of human rights and democratic reform in Russia”.

“There was unfortunately another side to this man, which was far from laudable: an extensive interest in real children being really abused,” Carter said.

The indecent images were allegedly found on Bukovsky’s laptop months before he testified at a public inquiry into the 2006 murder of Alexander Litvinenko, who was a close friend. Two Kremlin agents, Dmitry Kovtun and Andrei Lugovoi, poisoned Litvinenko in a Mayfair hotel with a cup of polonium tea.

Bukovsky told the inquiry he was “pretty sure” the Kremlin was behind Litvinenko’s death. The inquiry chairman, Sir Robert Owen, concluded in January that Vladimir Putin and his former FSB spy chief Nikolai Patrushev had “probably approved” Litvinenko’s death.

Bukovsky has been a longstanding opponent of Soviet and Russian power. He began his struggle against the Soviet regime in the early 1960s.

Soviet authorities eventually kicked him out of the country after he exposed the use of psychiatric treatment against political prisoners to the west. He has lived in the UK ever since.

The trial continues.

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I have deliberately NOT used much of the media reporting, although it contains more details of Bukovsky’s criminality, as so much of it is utterly irresponsible being little more than a training guide giving codes, accronyms, abreviations and the like, showing how to access children involved in pornography for ‘researchers’ who are pervers, pederasts, pornographers and pedophiles!

The Mirror & the Mail would seem to be competing as to which provides the most helpful references for perverts/researchers which I consider not to be a matter of freedom of speech but downright irresponsible – but I guess one expects there to be a gutter press seeking to plumb the depths

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Irrefutably shown in court by GCHQ specialist that this sordid old pervert was the only one who had put the material on his computer and computer disks – over 20,000 pornographic pictures and around 5,000 video clips.

Shortly before Bukovsky’s arrest we note his friend and associate Gerard Batten changed all of his computers from mostly Dells to Apple – was this an excercise to distance himself from an operation producing and distributing child pornography via his computers? Personally based on the dishonesty and behaviour of Gerard Batten and his staff and associates over many years I believe this is more than likely and fits with loose talk I have heard over the years – in other words it would not surprise me as he is clearly a low life and a liar!

Here is a further report of the case concerning Bukovsky’s criminality came at the end of the second day in Court:

Russian friend of Alexander Litvinenko accused of downloading more than 20,000 vile images of children ‘could not have had his computer hacked by the Kremlin’, a computer expert tells his trial 

  • Vladimir Bukovsky, 73, is accused of accessing indecent photos and images
  • A computer expert who has worked for GCHQ said he was confident the images had not been put there by anyone other than the Russian dissident 
  • Russian-born Bukovsky is an author and activist who became well-known internationally as a vocal critic of the Soviet regime 

Claims the Russian state may have been part of a hack to plant indecent images of children on the computer of a dissident living in Britain have been rejected at his trial. 

Vladimir Bukovsky, 73, of Cambridge, is accused of accessing photos and images over a 15-year period, a jury at Cambridge Crown Court was told.

A computer expert who has worked for GCHQ said he was confident the images had not been put there by anyone other than the 73-year-old. 

Vladimir Bukovsky, 73, of Cambridge, is accused of accessing photos and images over a 15-year period

Vladimir Bukovsky, 73, of Cambridge, is accused of accessing photos and images over a 15-year period

The wheelchair-bound Russian is regarded as a 'hero' in Russia by pro-democracy supporters

The wheelchair-bound Russian is regarded as a ‘hero’ in Russia by pro-democracy supporters

Dr Howard Chivers, a lecturer at the University of York, examined five discs of files recovered from Bukovsky’s hard drives at his home in Cambridge.

Asked by defence counsel Francis FitzGibbon QC: ‘Can you completely exclude the possibility that some, if not all, of the indecent image files that were on Mr Bukovsky’s computer were planted by somebody else without his knowledge?’

He replied: ‘I believe I can.’

Russian-born Bukovsky is an author and activist who became well-known internationally as a vocal critic of the Soviet regime.

He spent 12 years in Soviet prisons, forced-labour camps and psychiatric hospitals, which were used by the authorities to incarcerate political dissidents and submit them to compulsory treatment to ‘cure’ their beliefs.

The wheelchair-bound Russian is regarded as a ‘hero’ in Russia by pro-democracy supporters.  

Mr FitzGibbon put it to Dr Chivers as the trial continued at Cambridge Crown Court: ‘Are you aware of this, that the Russian state or organs of the Russian state use computer hacking in various forms to advance their interests in other parts of the world?’

Dr Chivers said it did not require ‘secret knowledge’ as it had been widely reported.

Mr FitzGibbon also asked him: ‘Are you aware that much of the child pornography and child sexual abuse imagery that appears online is controlled by crime gangs in Russia and Eastern Europe?’

Dr Chivers said such material was controlled by gangs all over the world, not limited to Russia and Eastern Europe.

Bukovsky told police he became curious at the end of the 1990s about issues involving control of and censorship of the internet and decided to look into what was available online

Bukovsky told police he became curious at the end of the 1990s about issues involving control of and censorship of the internet and decided to look into what was available online

Bukovsky denies five counts of making indecent images of children, five of possessing indecent images of children and one of possessing a prohibited image of a child. 

On Monday the court heard the pensioner, who was living alone in Cambridge when he was arrested, said it had become something of a hobby, comparing it to stamp collecting. 

Bukovsky, a friend of Alexander Litvinenko, told police he had been researching the images and videos out of ‘social’ curiosity and not for sexual gratification, according to an agreed summary of his interview which was read to the court.

He said he became interested in the debate around internet censorship at the end of the 1990s and wanted to see if child pornography was as widely available online as people claimed. 

He said he did not believe searching for and having the material was criminal or causing any harm.

He referred to sadomasochistic imagery he had seen and told officers he was convinced it was staged because the children taking part appeared to be ‘giggling’.

On the prospect of going to jail for having the images he told police he did not care 'a single jot'

On the prospect of going to jail for having the images he told police he did not care ‘a single jot’

Bukovsky acknowledged what he was doing would have been and is forbidden in his native country, but expressed reservations about censorship.

He told police: ‘I lived through that, I was part of it. I know that censorship never works.’

On the prospect of going to jail for having the images he told police he did not care ‘a single jot’.

He added: ‘I did not commit any crime in my heart.’ 

The trial was adjourned until Wednesday. 

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The wheelchair-bound Russian is regarded as a 'hero' in Russia by pro-democracy supporters

You will note Bukovsky has chosen to attend court in a wheelchair and pushing that wheel chair, as shown in media photographs, is Gerard Batten’s employee Pavel Stroilov, as shown at CLICK HERE. Who else in Gerard Batten’s team and Ukip is embroilled in this vile case?

This story CLICK HERE seems most apposite as a cover for Batten’s system rewrite of his computers after Bukovsky’s arrest! The plausibility of Batten’s claims is undermined on several counts, firstly his self proclamation of this nasty little racists significance as a critic of Russia, then there is the brevity of his chance meeting in 2006 with Letvinenko – who gives a **** what the odious racist Batten’s view on the murder was.

It is worthy of note that the evidence led in the media, by way of a photograph of Batten with his computer showing that the web site was missing, as it was ‘under construction’! A term I have put on my own computer from time to time when working on the site.

Fortunately the work I am currently doing, to extend my services, is not interrupting service and I hope to go live with a huge improvement in the near future – wish me luck!

Now despite originally stating in court that ‘he downloaded the material as he was doing research and didn’t know it was wrong’, this evil old man Bukovsky is now trying to claim the material was put on his computer by Russian intelligence services to incriminate him – as the lie was disproved he has now panicked and played the medical card! This has helped him little as he is merely rescheduled to appear in court in January!!

There is much more to come on this story of this small group of Ukippers, I believe, and let us not forget that Gerard Batten tried very hard to trump up a pack of lies about me, and was at one stage openly boasting he would shut me down and bankrupt me (when I was publishing facts about him and Ukip). So far his lies have failed despite his contacts and friends. Just as did Ukip’s MEP Tom Wise, when he spent £8,000 of the money he stole from the taxpayers on fees for his solicitor, in an effort to invent lies and a case against me, prior to his being found guilty and sent to prison for his thefts!

My defence has always been ‘VERITAS’!

Here is an item which displays how close Vladimir Bukovsky’s association with Gerard Batten is, and also how willingly he lies on behalf of Batten, as it is a matter of public record just how willing Batten is to publish material, which is inclined towards hate speech, with regard to those whose chosen superstition is Islam, most likely as his wife is a Filipino Catholic brought up in the doctrinal guidance of Cardinal Sin!:

IN THE EMPLOYMENT TRIBUNALS                                        3201867/2011

 EAST LONDON HEARING CENTRE

Before Employment Judge Goldman

BETWEEN:

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Statement of Vladimir BUKOVSKY

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I, Vladimir Bukovsky of 145 Gilbert Road, Cambridge CB4 3PA, SAY as follows

 

  1. I am well-known former Soviet dissident. I was held as political prisoner in the Soviet Union in total for 12 years in the 1960s and 1970s and was famously exchanged for a Chilean Communist leader in 1976. I live in the UK since 1978 and as a naturalized British citizen since 1990.  I have been playing some role in the Russian democratic and was nominated as an opposition candidate in the 2008 presidential elections in Russia.  I am also known as a critic of the European Union and a patron of the UK Independence Party.
  2. I have the privilege of knowing Mr Gerard Batten fairly well. I first met him just after he was elected an MEP in 2004.  I kept in touch with him ever since, met him on numerous occasions and have worked with him on various political issues.  I am certainly in the position to vouch for his personal honesty and integrity.
  3. I am not familiar with the details of this case but I know that claimant makes wide-ranging accusations against Gerard, including allegations of racism, prejudice against Russians and Slavs in general, against Muslims etc. In all my years of knowing Gerard, he has never displayed any such prejudices against any race, ethnicity or religion.  Nor was he ever disrespectful to any degree towards any person on account of their race, ethnicity r religion.
  4. He has also met many of my Russian friends as well as one Muslim friend, and I know that all people, without exception formed a very high opinion of him.
  5. I find any allegations that Gerard is racist or prejudiced against any race or religion totally incredible and I would not hesitate to condemn his accuser as a liar without any need to make further enquiries into the matter.
  6. I can confirm that the facts in this statement are true to the best of knowledge, understanding and belief

Vladimir Bukovsky

2 December 2011

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Ukip’s Dirty Tricks Are Nothing New In Their Chosen Gutter

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Ukip would seem to be upto their standard behaviour seeking to control and defeat those who dare to oppose them or question their style, policies, corruption, racism and lack of vision, strategies or even tactics.

You will remember when the Nigel Farage cult following fell out with

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Alan Sked and when Farage was out manouvered he quit the party and had meetings with the BNP – many believe it was with a view to joining tjhem and taking over theri leadership:

#899* - CROUCHER STYLE POISON CREEPS ARE OUT IN FORCE I SEE

Subsequently Farage rejoined Ukip and then his cult fan club fell out with the party leader and MEP Michael Holmes, stealing computers from the party HQ when Nigel Farage’s goffer, fixer and sewer rat Mark Croucher broke into the party offices and stole their computers taking them away in the boot of his car!

 

Michael Holmes was rumoured about, vituperatively attacked and undermined – eventually having a heart attack and after that retiring as an MEP and as party leader.

 

The field was now open for the Farage Fan Cult, with pond life like

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Douglas Denny CLICK HERE & HERE & ALSO HERE, Mark Croucher CLICK HERE & HERE, Annabelle Fuller, Christopher Gill, Gawain Towler,

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David Lott and the like willing and able to lie and spin any situation to ensure Farage was elected, including rigging elections and cheating to ensure their sponsor would gain power for their personal gain.

 

Then we had the leadership elections when lies and corruption became the order of the day with the usual suspects working with nigel Farage to pervert due process such as Douglas Denny’s active campaigning for Farage whilst supposedly acting as returning officer a position from which he was eventually removed for his corruption and lies, also the lies and efforts of such as Annabelle Fuller who was acting with Nigel Farage to ensure his election by telling lies as when she actively lied about a rival, Richard Suchorzewski  telling people he was an active supporter of the BNP and was homosexual – both of which were outright lies of absolutely no merit.

 

There was the dark era when Nigel Farage acted with members of his fan cult and those he had ensured were appointed to positions to support his dishonesty and prop up his inep-t and corrupt leadership as he and they attacked elected members of Ukip NEC who wished to introduce transparency and accountability to Ukip’s accounts and lies, spin and distortion of process was used to remove Dr. David Abbott, Dr. Eric Edmonds and others.

 

There was also the selection process for MEP candidates in which

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Mick McGough lied to advance his position and also set out to intimidate rivals with the support of Nigel Farage and his selected NEC – individuals like John West were lied about and efforts made to block them.

 

Mick McGough also acted as a stalker and disseminator of dishonest spin about such as Richard Suchorzewski for Nigel Farage, seemingly in respopnse to support from Farage for his own enhancement.

 

The selection process was utterly corrupted for Nigel Farage and his personal appointment supervising the selection process Christopher Gill actively colluded in the lies and corruption – for more facts

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Piers Merchant, as the returning officer, put in his report of the corruption CLICK HERE

 

Then there was the active campaigning by Farage’s fan cult against

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Chris Pain CLICK HERE for details.

 

More recently there was the conivance against

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Jasna Badzak and the lies and corruption utilised with the Courts to obtain a completely unsound verdict against her and the recent withdrawal of a dishonest and corrupt legal claim against her by Nigel Farage’s long term associate Gerard Batten.

 

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Mark Croucher, a long term employee of Nigel Farage’s also acted for the party, aided with dishonest support from Paul Nuttall MEP and the party Press Office to try to silence myself and my publication of facts and the truth about Ukip and its leadership, wherein a palpably dishonest abuse of the due process of law and the Courts was implemented  – The case was dismissed by the Courts and costs were awarded in favour of myself – to date Ukip have failed to pay the costs ordered against their employee and still have a debt to me of some £13.1/2 thousand + interest, a debt of honour which unsurprisingly Mark Croucher & Ukip lacks the integrity to pay.

 

Then there were the false claims and lies of

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Gerard Batten MEP and the aid from his cronies in the Metropolitan Police to try to have me arrested and prosecuted on false claims of racist attacks against him and harrassment, similar to his effortts to silence journalists in the mainstream media – there is now every probability that his dishonesty will face the Courts where such activity can expect a substantial custodial sentence, which would no doubt be exacerbated by his obvious abuse of public office!

 

At the moment it is worth noting that Nigel Farage is colluding in a corrupt and groundless case against Nikki Sinclaire, which started with Nigel Farage’s widely stated annoyance that she had been elected as a Ukip MEP – it is interesting to note that it does seem self evident that Nikki Sinclaire’s work output and commitment to the cause put every one of Ukip’s MEPs tos shame and her results far outstripped any one of them, which did nothing to endear her to the useless bounders who had been elected, and her donations of her own money to supporting the cause rather than the donations made by a few of the MEPs which would seem only to have been in their own personal interest to support their own campaigns for election or re-election. That Farage was actively involved in colluding with others to have Nikki Sinclaire is an open secret.

 

In keeping with these and many other similar actions it is clear that Ukip are still instigating corrupt and dishonest actions to try to deliberately damage rivals of Nigel Farage – as in this example highlighted in the media today:

BLACKMAILED: Ukip’s only MP was the target of a secret tape plot to smear his private life by ‘dark forces’ within party

  • Douglas Carswell received call after blazing row with a Farage senior aide
  • The caller asked personal questions about his private life and his marriage
  • Now emerged recordings of conversations circulated in his constituency
  • Carswell called for ‘fresh face’ as leader and slammed ‘dark forces’ in party 
Douglas Carswell (pictured with wife, Clemantine) has hit out against ‘dark forces’ in Ukip after learning yesterday of an apparent ‘blackmail plot’ against him

Douglas Carswell (pictured with wife, Clemantine) has hit out against ‘dark forces’ in Ukip after learning yesterday of an apparent ‘blackmail plot’ against him

Douglas Carswell has hit out against ‘dark forces’ in Ukip after learning yesterday of an apparent ‘blackmail plot’ against him involving secret tapes and false allegations about his private life.

The Ukip MP received a phone call from a party figure asking ‘grossly intrusive questions’ about his marriage – which he now believes was a warning to him to stop rebelling against Nigel Farage.

Happily married Carswell, 44, says the allegations are completely untrue, and he has refused to be silenced on the future of the party.

The call was made a few days after Carswell had a blazing row in the Commons with one of Farage’s key aides, party secretary Matthew Richardson. He told Carswell he would ‘regret’ crossing him.

Now the MP has been horrified to learn that secretly recorded Ukip conversations shortly after the row – in which wild allegations were made about his personal circumstances – have been circulated in his constituency.

On Friday, Carswell infuriated Farage by calling for a ‘fresh face’ as leader in the wake of the party’s poor performance in this month’s Oldham by-election. Farage said Carswell should ‘put up or shut up’.

The bust-up with Richardson took place four days after Ukip’s disappointing General Election result, which saw Carswell returned to Parliament as the party’s only MP.

It came after he emailed Richardson and Farage to say that he would only be taking a proportion of the £650,000 in taxpayer funding which Ukip was allowed to claim in the new Parliament. Carswell insisted that this so-called ‘short money’ should only be spent to help him represent his Clacton constituency.

But Richardson – who is also embroiled in the ‘Tatler Tory’ row as a close friend of Mark Clarke, the campaign manager accused of bullying – stormed down to the Commons to say it should all be appropriated by Ukip’s cash-strapped head office.

Last night Carswell gave an account of the confrontation and the sinister call which followed.

He said: ‘Richardson was both aggressive and insistent during the meeting in a Commons committee room, telling me that he would determine how the short money was spent. He said I would be like a US Senator representing the 4 million people who had voted for Ukip.

‘I told Richardson that it was not for him to make such decisions. I was there to represent my Clacton constituency. The money had to be spent correctly, in accordance with Commons rules. He told me that Ukip could spend the money as it wished. I can only imagine he felt that he was acting with Nigel’s blessing.

The call came after he emailed Richardson and Farage to say that he would only be taking a proportion of the £650,000 in taxpayer funding which Ukip was allowed to claim in the new Parliament

The call came after he emailed Richardson and Farage to say that he would only be taking a proportion of the £650,000 in taxpayer funding which Ukip was allowed to claim in the new Parliament

‘I went outside, and while waiting for the lift, Richardson tried to threaten and intimidate me. He said that I would regret my decision not to go along with what he had been proposing. I was subsequently told that Nigel said he had “sent” Richardson down to see me.’

The encounter was followed two days later by a meeting between Carswell and Farage during which, Carswell says, the leader displayed anger at his MP’s refusal to take the short money in full. Days later, Carswell received the call from someone he describes as a ‘senior UKIP official’, and was asked ‘a series of totally inappropriate and leading questions about my private life’.

CARSWELL V FARAGE: NOW THE RELATIONSHIP HAS TURNED TOXIC

The uneasy relationship between Nigel Farage and his solitary MP turned toxic after Ukip’s election disappointment.

Farage was mocked after resigning as leader then changing his mind, and the situation turned into a row with Carswell over the amount of ‘short money’ – payments to help opposition parties pay for Westminster operations – he should claim.

Carswell objected to being told to claim the entire £650,000 and divert funds to the party HQ, rather than just claiming a sufficient amount to fund his Commons office. 

Carswell, who has a daughter with wife Clementine, said: ‘The suggestions made were preposterous. Either they were stupid enough to believe them, and wanted to scare me into silence by letting me know that they knew about it, or they were threatening me with the spread of false rumours. Either way, it could be construed as blackmail by dark forces’.

Carswell has clashed repeatedly with Farage since defecting from the Conservatives 18 months ago.

The Clacton MP has spoken out against his leader’s negative approach to immigrants and they have signed up for separate ‘Leave’ campaign groups in the upcoming EU referendum. Farage is allied to the Leave.EU campaign; Carswell has joined the Tory eurosceptic-dominated Vote Leave group – leading Farage to grumble privately that Carswell had ‘gone home’ to his ‘Conservative friends’.

Richardson denied any knowledge of the phone call, and added: ‘I did not use threatening language against Douglas. He was the one who got angry.’

When he was a student, Richardson set up the Oxford Gossip online forum where people could anonymously post about their peers.

The site was shut down in 2008 but friends claim he has boasted about keeping the web logs ‘for use when the people become famous’. Richardson denied keeping the logs.

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it must be particularly gaulling for Nigel Farage that this cartoon, showing that the media has seen through his paper thin self publicity and have clearly got the message of his being no ‘Superman’ in a cape but just a silly little man in a seedy spivs shabby chique coat, made fashionable as a spin off of the ‘Teddy Boy’ era when Saville Row’s aim to issue an Edwardian style of long jackets and were gazzumped by their own cutters and workshops in the East End slums of London.

Nigel Farage is shown in the cartoon as more akin to the insecure tantrums of Kim Jong-Un(hinged), and all in public circulation the day before Ukip’s anniversary, having been founded 22 years ago on 03-Sep-1993.

Even his staggeringly dishonest and corrupt erstwhile fixer Douglas Denny has once again denounced him – such a pity Douglas Denny lacks the integrity and backbone to expose the truth in full; of the corruption, fraud, bullying, rigging and profligacy Nigel Farage has been so closely involved in, using useful idiots like Denny, John Moran, John Whittaker, David Bannerman, Mark Croucher, John Ison, David Lott, Annabelle Fuller, Mick McGough, Christopher Gill, Gerard Batten and the like as his mouthpieces and fixers.
(Farage must be aware that some of his worms have turned!)
I guess it is hardly surprising that a little man like Denny lacks the backbone and ethics to tell the truth as he was so involved in the corruption and huge sums of money that seem to have unaccountably spiritted away (trousered?) by Nigel Farage and his direct cronies, that he may fear for his own liberty!
It is quite surprising that in 22 years Ukip have achieved so staggeringly little, relative to the colossal amount of money they have had, for Britain other than the enrichment and patform Nigel Farage has achieved for himself and the enrichment of the unsavoury clique he has gathered around him to prop up his ineptitude as a politician, bereft of clear and sound, ethical and workable policies – dependent on populism  – he is to Britain as Alex salmon and Nicolla Sturgeon are, just as Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Jack Straw and thwe present leadership contenders are to the Labour Party – catastrophicly divisive.
Even the media are finally plucking up the courage to point out that despite Ukip garnering just under 4M votes dotted around the country Nigel Farage is very much a ‘marmite’ character liked by a vociferous minority yet reveiled and held in contempt by the vaste majority – so much so that the General Election was, like all other domestic elections, an abject failure for Ukip and for Nigel Farage even more so having had his 8th. failure to get elected as an MP. His unpopularity is so dangerous and divisive for these United Kingdoms many now realise his involvement in the upcoming EU Referendum may well be the most damaging input to the Campaign to Leave_The_EU, causing many who would vote for the proposition to reconsider their stance and either abstain or vote against!
Here is the cartoon from yesterdays Telegraph:
FARAGE, Nigel 106 Kim Yung Nige 02-Sep-2915
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I note in the Adams cartoon in The Daily Telegraph (Wed 2nd Sept), it is clear the news media have Nigel “sussed” exactly.

It was always the danger of having a dictatorial leader that he would lead in a manner to enhance his own image rather than join in with the larger and far better organised ‘NO’ campaign for the greater good of the EU -OUT cause.

By being so self-centred, by having no response or answers to the referendum in terms of party policy, by denying and ignoring the obvious fundamental changes which have now occurred in British politics with the announcement of the referendum, …this has adversely affected the very rationale of UKIP’s existence and what it stands for as per the UKIP constitution. It is clear Nigel Farage has not thought it out.
UKIP’s very future as a political party is thrown into doubt: for what can UKIP do in British politics after the referendum? What then is the point of UKIP?
I believe UKIP events have left UKIP behind, and as a party it has therefore now become defunct…obsolete.

Nigel has never addressed the main issue which has always been the Achilles Heel of UKIP – what to do in the event that a government actually does give the British people a referendum for being IN or OUT of the EU. Such a referendum is precisely what I and most others in UKIP have been campaigning for in the last sixteen years or more that I have been inside UKIP, and longer outside of UKIP before that.

The Conservatives having now conceded that crucial referendum have, in doing so, cut the legs from under Nigel and his non-policies, thereby crippling UKIP.

UKIP did have a minor role to play in the lead up to the referendum – but only if the Leader Nigle Farage had accepted UKIP being a part of the ‘NO’ campaign – which will gain momentum in due course. He has foolishly rejected that for the sake of his own vanity, hence the NO campaign will leave Nigel and UKIP behind in it’s dust-wake as it forges ahead with good funding and high-powered people to speak on the ‘NO’ campaign’s behalf.
Nigel has cut himself and UKIP off from this vital role…. a very stupid decision in my opinion.

Douglas Denny. Bosham.

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A Major Firm Drops Sponsorship Due To Nigel Farage

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it is notable that Ehe Isle of Man Sporting & Dining Club, who are sponsored by Specsavers have had politicians as speakers previously with no mention of difficulty.
Perhaps it was in fact due to the dishonesty of the speaker who had set up an IoM account to reduce tax liabilities yet claimed, as an ex banker he was unaware that the IoM was a tax haven, which for a man who deposited £1/4Million in one payment alone is stunningly implausible!
As I recall Nigel Farage’s first notable visit to the Isle of Man was with Ashley Mote, who he had brought into Ukip displacing his long term allie David Lott as his number two candidate in his EU region for the election of MEPs – in order to enhance his electoral process and provide some gravitas to his campaign.
David Lott was cast aside after years of dedication and loyalty to Farage. Thus Ashley Mote was selected by Farage and placed in position becoming an MEP.
You will note, if you follow Ukip that Farage has enshrined his absolute right to place chums and people of ‘USE’ to him in favourable positions at the expense of democraticly selected candidates. Historically one of Nigel Farage’s greatest allies and operator of this dishonest behaviour was Douglas Denny who has recently found himself the victim of his own methods see CLICK HERE
Sadly it is unlikely that Douglas Denny will have the moral fiber and integrity to tell his tale of just how extensive the corruption in Ukip leadership was, be that in the rigging of elections or in the vanishing of large sums of Ukip members’, supporters & tax payers’ money. It seems all too likely this odious and dishonest little man it too frightened of being embroiled in the criminal proceedings he could instigate with his knowledge and personal involvement – including exposure of the lies and obfusscation surrounding the Ashford scam.
A service that could be given to Justice and the body politic were there honourable men amongst such as Douglas Denny, Mike Nattrass, John Wittaker, John Moran, David Lott, Gerard Batten, Derek Clark, Christopher Gill, Godfrey Bloom, Bruce Lawson and their like but sadly I believe none will have the sense of duty to our Country nor the integrity or honour to step forward and tell the truth.
Do however remember the actions of one honourable man who set the example CLICK HERE

Should have gone to Specsavers? Sponsor drops Farage talk

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Specsavers has asked for its sponsorship branding to be pulled for tonight’s sell-out talk by UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

The event at the Gaiety Theatre in Douglas has been organised by the Isle of Man Sporting and Dining Club.

Specsavers has sponsored the Sporting and Dining Club since 2013.

A spokesman for the company stressed the Specsavers store in Douglas has not pulled its sponsorship of the Sporting and Dining Club but it had requested to the organiser that its logo and name is not included in the publicity for this particular event.

He explained: ‘The reason for this is that Specsavers has no political affiliation and therefore does not feel it appropriate to be associated by name with a lecture given by a political party leader, especially with a General Election on the horizon.’

UKIP leader Nigel Farage is the latest high-profile guest to speak to the Sporting and Dining Club.

Other politicians or former MPs invited to appear have included Respect Party founder George Galloway, former Tory Ministers Ann Widdecombe and Michael Portillo and former Tory peer Jeffrey Archer.

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STUART M

2:55 PM on 11/11/2014

I wonder if he will be making a deposit in an offshore account this time around?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23001529


DASEIN

1:35 PM on 11/11/2014

You have to wonder why they wanted to put their name to this event in the first place?

It is likely to have been due to the fact that by sponsoring the event, by extension, you are showing support for the beliefs he represents. I’d guess Specsavers head office might have made the call to drop the sponsorship.

Such a decision makes complete sense. The man is a vile, albeit laughable character who takes advantage of people’s ignorance/their willingness to believe the nonsense he comes out with.


DASEIN

2:21 PM on 11/11/2014

Unsurprisingly, the thumbs down commence. I say unsurprisingly as most contributors on here appear to be the sort who love to be spoon fed the warm diarrhoea he spouts and regurgitate in poorly constructed posts as if it was their idea all along.

Here’s why sponsoring an event involving Nigal Farage, UKIP leader, would be considered inappropriate by Specsavers.

Specsavers undoubtedly as an employer, have to adhere employment law (I am unsure if they are Investor In People accredited)
I suppose all you PC haters hate the fact that under employment law, you can’t discriminate against people on the basis of sex, age, religion, sexuality, race etc. Whereas Farage and and his party are the complete opposite.

By spreading lies about how Brussel’s is taking over control and immigrants are taking our jobs, he’s got himself into a lucratively paid MEP role because people are foolish enough to believe it. Don’t believe me? Why does Britain First, a violent splinter group of the BNP, have over 20 million followers on facebook?

Interestingly, Farage refuses to publish he’s expenses when he’s acting as an MEP…But that’s okay, he’s fighting for our freedom in Brussel’s against their hostile takeover. Oh wait a minute, just how many meetings has he attended and how many has he voted on out of all those he should have attended?…

UCL reported the other week that EU migrant arrivals between 2001 and 2011 contributed £20bn more in taxes than they received in benefits. Yet in face of actual evidence proving them wrong, xenophobes and racists won’t concede they are full of excrement. Farage will continue to tell you that Romanian’s are coming to take your job. Which is nonsense.

Other members of his party include individuals who have
1 – blamed flooding on gay marriage
2 – opposed foreign aid to ‘bongo bongo land’
3 – told Lenny Henry to emigrate to ‘a black country’
4 – don’t forget their calypso song…

Yeah, so hardly surprising that a corporation like Specsavers do not want to be associated with scum like Mr Farage


STUART M

2:34 PM on 11/11/2014

Some excellent points there.


STUART M

1:04 PM on 11/11/2014

Strange, it’s been on sale for months and they only want to withdraw their name from it now!

There was no problem sponsoring other politicians who have spoken at their events.

DASEIN

2:41 PM on 11/11/2014

I can’t recall if they sponsored the George Galloway evening last November. He’s equally as troublesome/offensive, but maybe not as ‘high profile’…

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Godfrey Bloom Quits Nigel Farage’s Ukip

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Godfrey Bloom Quits Nigel Farage’s Ukip & can now expect Farage to classify him as ‘Dregs & Rejects’ alongside the founder of Ukip Alan Sked, past leaders such as Roger Knapman and the majority of MEPs + around 70 NEC members who have dared to criticise his one man band and self serving, self enriching Ukip scam!
Douglas Carswell would do well to heed the warning Godfrey Bloom gave him that was most appositely endorsed by Dr. Richard North on Panorama CLICK HERE
It would be unwise to forget that Nigel Farage has personally controlled the party for his own gain and in the last parliament started out with 13 MEPs elected, but had alienated so many that two quit to stand as Tory candidates, where David Bannerman, Farage’s ex Tory buddy Ukip Chairman and deputy leader of Ukip (personally brought into the party by Nigel Farage and put in position), as with Roger Knapman who he recruited and placed as leader and even lord Pearson his puppet who held the leadership for a short time for him has become near invisible.
Then of course there was Marta Andreasen who had been dumped as an accountant by the EU unable to complete her brief to improve the systems to reduce the amount of fraud and make the EU more accountable CLICK HERE she was recruited by Nigel farage with much fanfare and he made her Ukip Treasurer. She quit in disgust siting bullying and dishonesty of Farage!
Also let us not forget that Nigel Farage defended Tom Wise to the hilt and NEVER removed him from Ukip going so far as to accept stolen money from him, which he knew was fraudulently obtained and which he never repaid, permitting Wise to remain a Ukip member for some years after he was exposed when Tom Wise eventually left it was in the February before the EU election when his Ukip membership ran out and he served out his full MEP term becoming eligible to the full pension as accrued!
One should also remember Ashley Mote who Nigel Farage ‘boosted’ into his own region as his number two candidate to raise his own status doing a total knife job on his long term associates David Lott and Steve Harris who were promised second and third position – but Ashley Mote’s presentation skills were used to ensure Farage’s return to the gravy train only to find Farage stabbed him in the back acting against him at the first possible opportunity.
Farage even turned on his own Father’s associates having ‘used’ them as with Buster Motram who he personally brought into Ukip against advice and likewise the wife of David Volker, Guy Farage’s Commanding Officer in the TA,who he placed as Chairman of his party yet engineered her removal when she was unwilling to go along with his fiddles – Petrina Holdsworth is currently Chairman of CIB!
The list of other highly competent people Nigel Farage has felt threatened by and has dishonestly removed is long and some understanding can be found by reading many of them’s resignation letters and further details at CLICK HERE
Be minded also of the vault face of Ukip’s first representative in The House of Commons the MP Bob Spink and just how short a time he was willing to tolerate Nigel Farage’s behaviour!
The only conclusion anyone of intelligence can make is either that Nigel Farage’s absolute control of Ukip hugely damages Ukip and that as a judge of people whom he personally selects is stunningly inept or they are unwilling to be corrupted to dance to his dishonest tune!
Nigel Farage single handedly reduced the party from 13 MEPs to a mere 5 remaining in the Parliamentary party – one wonders how few Nigel Farage will reduce the party MEPs to this time!

Godfrey Bloom quits Ukip and warns Douglas Carswell of ‘back-stabbers’

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Godfrey Bloom has decided to leave the party ‘with a heavy heart’. Photograph: Christopher Thomond for the Guardian

Godfrey Bloom, the colourful former Ukip MEP, has resigned from the party with a warning to its newest recruit, Douglas Carswell, to beware backstabbers among his colleagues.

The politician, whose gaffes have included calling women sluts and complaining of foreign aid going to “bongo-bongo land”, said he was leaving Ukip after party chairman Steve Crowther banned him from speaking at an event in Wearside.

Bloom initially had the Ukip whip withdrawn and subsequently resigned his official role last year, after Nigel Farage said his antics had overshadowed the party’s autumn conference.

He has now decided to leave the party entirely “with a heavy heart”, despite having had a role in founding Ukip and donating large amounts of money to campaigning over the years.

In a message to Carswell, who took up his role as Ukip’s first elected MP on Monday, Bloom told LBC Radio: “I would just say to Douglas: stick to your sort, you believe in libertarianism, you believe in classical liberal economics, don’t be pushed off. But I would say, Douglas, watch your back. If you bear in mind we started in 2009 in Europe with 13 MEPs, we ended up with five, so there are dead bodies of Ukip [politicians] all over the place with a knife quivering in their back, Douglas. Make sure it’s not yours.”

In a trenchant analysis of his former party, the ex-MEP said politics was not about the truth, and that he was “very sorry this disease has been picked up by Ukip”. “It seems to be drifting towards the politically correct mainstream like everyone else,” he said. “Instead of it being the libertarian party of common sense, I’ve been banned from speaking. I don’t know where the party has gone astray, but it has gone astray.”

Despite having formerly shared a flat with Farage in Brussels, Bloom said he had lost contact completely with his former party leader. He said Ukip was now being run by Crowther, who he described as a “svengali-like” figure and a “man of mystery”.

Bloom caused a controversy in summer last year after he criticised recipients of foreign aid in “bongo-bongo” land and proceeded to exacerbate the row by trying to justify the phrase in a series of broadcast interviews. He then became the centre of another row after hitting a journalist round the head with a Ukip brochure and joking that a room debating women in politics was “full of sluts”. He made these remarks after two of his colleagues admitted that they did not clean behind the fridge – a complaint previously made by Bloom – as they spoke at a fringe event at the party conference in London.

Bloom was then caught on camera ranting at Channel 4’s Michael Crick, who asked him why there were no black faces pictured on a Ukip conference brochure, before using the pamphlet to hit him over the head.

After Bloom resigned from the party, he gave an interview to the Guardian claiming Farage was “not interested in the running of the party, or in making policy” but was merely Ukip’s chief salesman.

In April, he argued Farage was not up to the role of “managing director or chairman of the board”, even though he was a “charismatic” and “articulate” advocate for the Ukip brand.

Farage, who described Bloom’s comments as “unhelpful”, has made repeated attempts to ensure Ukip candidates stop making off-colour and eccenrtic remarks by trying to “professionalise” the party. He has appointed a new raft of spokesman to his frontbench over the summer including more women and ethnic minority representatives.

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UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/09/2012

UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

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UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

This article  I believe to be true though much of the opinion posted by Martin Cole I KNOW to be wildly speculative, at best, and often completely wrong!

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since speculation or should I say guesses and rumours are being posted as if factual on Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled blog, regarding the incident where Nigel Farage was found guilty of copyright infringement which seemed at the time to be largely driven by the odious and corrupt sewer rat Nigel employed, to try to build ‘Black Files’ on his staff, colleagues and opponents, Mark Croucher.
I note that Barbara Booker has drawn attention to the ‘facts’ as present6ed by Martin Cole, which were as follows:
Thursday, May 01, 2003Video Tape Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage
On 4 September 2000 local trading standards officers raided UKIP’s South East branch offices in Redhill, seizing four illegal video copies of a BBC TV documentary “The Enemy Within” about Nigel Farage, UKIP MEP for the South East Region, which were in breach of copyright. Britain in Europe AccountMosaic Productions reprint of an article by Peter Shore in the Daily Telegraph
1st June 2000, sets the background as to why Nigel Farage might have felt dismayed at the non-appearance of the BBC episode of ‘Desperately Seeking Eutopia’ with his contribution. Peter Shore Article

Mosaic Films followed this report a few days later with another, this time concluded as follows:-

Article by Christopher Booker
The Sunday Telegraph, June 4 2000

All content © Mosaic Films

An early indication that Mosaic Films took their copyright property rights very seriously!

Christopher Booker Article

On the 16th August 2000 the following item appeared in the London Evening Standard:-

“Some bad news for Nigel Farage, Euro MP for the UK Independence Party, who is the subject of a forthcoming BBC documentary due for broadcasting next month on the sparsely viewed BBC Knowledge channel.
The Beeb is furious to discover a video of the programme given to Farage by the makers is being copied and sold through the Party’s “Sovereignty” newsletter, with UKIP doing a roaring trade at five pounds a piece. The programme which includes footage of Farage’s assistant Dr Richard North describing our Spanish neighbours as: “Rag-arsed dagos,” is described by UKIP as: “A perfect tool for converting the sceptical, and perfect for showing at branch meetings.”
Not for long. The Beeb is already flexing its legal muscles. “This is a breach of copyright which won’t be tolerated,” a spokesman tells me.”

Jeffrey Titford had written a long letter of many complaints to the BBC on the 7th August 2000, ie a few days before this item appeared in the Standard, among which was the question as to why invitations to Farage to appear on Question Time had been withdrawn. The breach of copyright could, perhaps have been a contributory factor!

Jeffrey Titford’s Complaint to the BBC

What was the background to Farage’s actions, did he innocently flirt with a breach of copyright, or did he recklessly risk all to have his programme reach a wider organisation? Here the internet search engines reveal little, so we have been forced to make inquiries elsewhere.

Curiously at a UKIP NEC meeting on the 24th May 2000, a motion was put forward by Nigel Farage that any NEC member who fell foul of the law should have their legal expenses paid by the party. One present recalls that failing to gather majority support the proposer then lost his temper and stormed from the meeting.

Shortly after this the then Party Secretary learned that Nigel Farage planned to copy and sell a video tape and following enquiries learned the intent was to sell the box including the free tape inside, presumably a poor attempt to circumvent the law.

On 31st July 2000, Adam Alexander of Mosaic Films had faxed Nigel Farage confirming his company had worldwide rights to Eutopia – The Enemy Within.

On 9th August 2000 this same gentleman, Joint Managing Director of Mosaic, faxed Farage again advising:-

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It has been brought to my attention that the UKIP, through a reference in Sovereignty magazine, is offering for sale copies of the film we made about you for the BBC series ‘Eutopia -The Enemy Within‘.

At no time has Mosaic given you the right to sell this programme. With reference to my fax to you of 31st July 2000, Mosaic holds the distribution rights and any exploitation of the material through video sales can only be through and with the express agreement of Mosaic Films.

Any attempts by you to make copies of and or sell the programme will be a breach of copyright, and to this end I must insist you refrain from making any sales until such time as a sales agreement has been made between us. Please advise me of any sales you may have already made.

I can confirm that under the terms of the agreement Mosaic has with the BBC the video cannot be sold until after the first transmission by the BBC, which is scheduled for sometime soon after 15th September 2000.
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This fax was copied to two people within the BBC and another Mosaic employee.

It could hardly have been clearer.

A letter of apology was sent to Mosaic Films signed on behalf of Nigel Farage by Stan Oram and believed to have been sent on 15th August 2000.

On 24th August, following an advert for the video appearing in the Independence (UKIP‘s Members Newsletter), the party secretary wrote to all NEC members advising the activity was illegal and that he would not work to defend the action which was bringing the Party into disrepute and that additionally he would oppose the use of party funds being used to meet costs that might be incurred.

Extraordinarily on 24th August the party leader Jeffrey Titford wrote to the party secretary regarding his warning stating: “ The facts are that Nigel has permission to reproduce the video, this was given by Mosaic who made the programme. I have seen this letter.”

On the same day Farage sent an angry riposte to all NEC members which he had the foresight to banner headline “NOT FOR CIRCULATION” for it is difficult to reconcile its contents with the facts as they now appear.

On 25th August, Adam Alexander of Mosaic Films was again faxing Farage, this time with a clear warning that the Surrey Trading Standards Office were on the case and demanding that the pirated videos be sent to Gloucestershire to arrive by 30th August 2000.

On 30th August the other joint managing director of Mosaic films wrote to the UKIP Party Secretary with details of the correspondence between Farage and his colleague and insisted that no pirated copies be sold.

On 4th September 2000 the party received a letter from the Surrey County Council Trading Standards office confirming that on 24th August they had purchased a pirated video and that on 1st September they had visited the Redhill Southeast branch office and seized further copies and related documentation.

On 4th September 2000 a statement was put out by the party leader Jeffrey Titford, which in light of the now revealed facts, seems so extraordinary that it can only be quoted in full:-

UKIP & The Video ‘The Enemy Within’- A statement by Jeffrey Titford MEP, Leader, UK Independence Party

The BBC has spent a great deal of licence payers’ money producing a film series about the European Union. For reasons about which we can only speculate, the BBC has shown no inclination to screen on its terrestrial channels an episode that featured the UK Independence Party, despite the fact that UKIP MEPs went to great lengths to co-operate in the film’s production.

As a result, Nigel Farage MEP took a personal initiative to obtain copies of the film with a view to selling it to UKIP members in order to raise badly needed funds for the South East region. It subsequently transpired that distribution of the film to Party members would not be possible until it has been screened on a BBC subscription channel.

More recently, a Trading Standards Officer resorted to what amounted to deception in order to obtain a copy of the video and so prove that a technical offence has been committed. As a result, the videos have been returned to their source, where they will remain pending clarification.
Nigel accepts that he acted somewhat precipitously – though with the best intention of making the film available to a wider audience. I am also satisfied that no personal gain was either intended or realised. Any further enquiries or approaches on the matter, from whatever party involved, will be referred to the UKIP South East regional office.

This unfortunate matter would never have come about if the BBC properly fulfilled its Charter obligations in regard to balanced reporting. Also, I wholly deprecate the duplicitous tactics of Trading Standards at a time when their officers are terrorising small traders with an unlawful interpretation of Weights and Measures legislation, and turning a blind eye to the sale of thousands of illegal car number plates emblazoned with the infamous EU ring of stars.

Signed Jeffrey Titford London 4 September 2000

On 8th September 2000 Mosaic Films confirmed to the UKIP Party Secretary that at no time had they given Nigel Farage either verbal or written permission to sell the tapes. That same day the Party Secretary tendered his resignation, hardly surprising in view of the events detailed above, but even less so when put against the fact that throughout this period he had also been fending off a possible prosecution by the Metropolitan Police in connection with the removal of the UKIP database, in which strangely enough Nigel Farage’s name had also been involved.

We are conscious that this parade of facts on an internet site could rob those involved of the right to reply. WE WILL POST ANY REPLIES OR REFUTATIONS ANYONE MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE POST MIGHT CARE TO MAKE. Such should be sent to ukipuncovered@hotmail.com The e-mail link that was available on this site will be restored for such purposes as soon as possible. Other comments or advice are similarly always welcomed.

posted by Martin |12:33 AM

To view Martin Cole’s original posting, in context CLICK HEREIt is unfortunate that Martin Cole undermined his own credibility by publishing some most amusing fantasies and guessed at speculation about me that were such patently obviously speculative rubbish that it brought into question much else that he ‘claimed’ to be fact.Sadly Martin Cole seemed unable to differentiate between fact and fiction and failed to show what he could substantiate and that which he was inventing or that which was pure fantasy which he republished for others as with much of the vituperative drivel published, at the time, by Christina Speight who seemed to see herself as the Queen of the EUroSceptic movement for a brief period.I hope this background to the UKIP / Farage copyright saga is of help.I was given a copy of the video at the time and watched it – It was quite good and along the usual lines of show off showman for which Farage has become quite well known as an entertainer. Even in 1999 it was showing UKIP’s lack of gravitas and its knock about style of insults and humour, which passes for political ability in UKIP, which seems almost totally dependent on stunts, insults, bullying and abuse for its much vaunted but never visible (in UK Ballot Boxes!) great progress.

UKIP under its present unprofessional band wagon jumping and a dependency on ‘churning’ of members to attract new more naiive and less well informed members to the cult to replace those who have seen through the sham are what seems to keep them going at a cost to the tax payer running to 10s of £Millions over the years.

UKIP’s latest band wagon is IN / OUT referendum where from their pamphlet on the issue they make it abundantly clear they plan to loose and have failed to grasp the first principles of such a referendum. No doubt they will use this as a mechanism to ‘churn’ more members and to pocket the cash generated as they seemingly did with the £1/4 Million plus of public money that was spiritted away and never accounted by Nigel Farage, David Lott & Mark Croucher in the only petition of note they have claimed to run to date.

The petition never materialised but the money did vanish in much the same way as the Ashford campaign where less than 15% of the money raised ever reached UKIP, we were told by its own chairman. An apparent fraud that was seemingly covered up by Douglas Denny, John Moran, Andrew Smith, Nigel Farage and other scoundrels and nere do wells at the time.

We are also reminded by Barbara Booker that:

‘EUtopia’ was a series of twenty documentaries, eight of which went out on BBC2 during Summer 2000, with the remaining twelve switched to BBC Digital. I had forgotten that ‘The Enemy Within’, the programme featuring Nigel Farage, was broadcast on 7 September 2000 on BBC Knowledge.

I’m not sure everyone would agree that it was favourable to UKIP. It included Richard North calling the Spanish, “rag-arsed dagos”, and Nigel Farage swearing.

And that Jeffrey Titford lied when he made the statement:
The facts are that Nigel has permission to reproduce the video, this was given by Mosaic who made the programme. I have seen this letter”.He couldn’t have. The true facts were that Mosaic had expressly forbidden Farage to copy and or sell the programme, and insisted he refrain from doing so.

It is quite clear that on a consistent basis UKIP’s leadership and their clique and also their self serving claque, including those too ashamed to put their names to their dishonesties and defamatory claims are consitent strangers to the truth – all too willing to lie, cheat and steal as their track record shows.There can really be no argument that we are fortunate that UKIP, as it is, and has been, has never had any relevance in British domestic politics as power would clearly be abused and befouled by those in control of UKIP.

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What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

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Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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A Roundup & A Bit More ;-)

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/07/2012

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I note that the long past mainstream DJ Mike Read is being hugely promoted as some achievement as a convert for UKIP – Is it imagination or does UKIP only catch the spent shells rather than command the respect of the full round!

I remember Mike Read from the days of Radio Caroline where he broadcast but I presume he never moved on and remained in either children’s entertainment or as the oldest swinger in town with some obscure kids programme as I had not heard of him since unlike a number of the successes from those days like Tony Blackburn.

Just a quick check on Wiki & clearly I am wrong as he did not start as a broadcaster until much later & was on Radio Luxembourg so NOT with iconic names like DLT, Simon Dee, Tony Blackburn & the like on Caroline!
I was right in my assumtion of his obscurity as I was out of Britain in the ’70s and his manstream carreer seems brief as he left the BBC in 1991 but hung on in the business in local radio so perhaps I can be forgiven for not having heard of him.
However I did think the juxtaposition on the UKIP controlled forum which was a little unkind to this elderly DJ!
What he is expected to bring to UKIP in political competence, gravitas, vision or even cash they fail to mention!
I guess when one has no one of any probity or gravitas I guess that means you have to make the most of such as he.
To be fair UKIP do have a genuine economist on board but like most economists he tends not to say the right things at the right time letting his theories overide political expediency rather frequently in his attacks on UKIP & denounciation of its leadership from time to time!
I do note – as I Twittered previously – he has taken up on the idea that we launched on EUroRealist several years ago when Harry Randall kindly produced a costing of EU membership updating it every 1/4; as he assured me, not so very complex as it was based upon the Government Pink Book produced 1/4ly.
The concept was later taken up using public money, by Gerard Batten and I believe his brother was in some way involved with the printing – for Gerard Batten to claim his brother is retired, as he has recently, was of course bunkum unless he made so much out of his nepotistic relationship with Batten he decided to retire!
Anyway – to continue you will find Tim Congdon’s more recent developement of our idea very helpfull I’m sure as he does have his own economic think tank to back his theories and it will be interesting to compare his version of the cost of EU membership with William Hague’s planned assessment!
You will be pleased to note that Tim Congdon has generously made his information readily available and has also badged a version for UKIP’s benefit see CLICK HERE for the early drafts he has made available.
You may well find some of his papers at IMR Ltd of help in understanding the global economic problems and particularly those of The UK as a result of EU membership.
I believe that William Hague’s planned assessment will be all too prone to presenting the costs of membership of the EU from the corrupt self serving position of the political elite, who do so well out of it, at the expense of the British peoples who are paying £50Million a day or a sum equivalent to £750 per annum per citizen!
I note the efforts of Dr. Richard North, Niall Warry and others to draw up, via their ‘Harrogate Agenda’, a Chartist style 6 points or key resolutions to seek better Governance. Sadly a thankless task as it runs counter the ambitions of self serving groups like the political elites including UKIP, CIB and Better Off Out who all have their personal ambitions far before the needs of these United Kingdoms and our peoples.
That which does not threaten such ambitions would seem to fall foul of the egos of the many inadequates in their entorage!

I stress again my support for the stated original values, principles and aims of UKIP, still espoused by some of its members but clearly not just suffused but rejected by its leadership who know no vile act of false witness, dishonesty and bullying too low to stoop to to defend their personal ambitions – So very redollent of the political elite relative to The EU of which UKIP leadership have become a very real part now seemingly enemies of liberty seeking by defamation to suppress free speech, honest beliefs and even criticism be it constructive or not.

UKIP have clearly, in becoming the antithesis of Libertarian or even for that matter probity, intergrity and ethicality, it has become very much a part of the problem increasingly clearly with no part in the solution.
To listen to those rewarded from the public purse preaching and persecuting others whilst trousering huge sums of money relative to the incomes of many who contribute to their well being and then banking beyond the reach of British tax authorities as does Nigel Farage with his sophisticated trusts in The Isle of Man and his Belgian bank accounts perks exploited by many amongst the political elite particularly those exploiting their positions in The EU.
We then have their ambitious claque with the timmerity to lie and dissemble in their attempts to defame dedicated EUroRealists who dare to point out the corruption!
Mouth Wide Open – Eyes Shut
More Lies Due Any Second!!
Consider the constant childish name calling of buffoons like Mick McGough who do The EU’s work for them and seek to defame critics of the corruption of UKIP which so undermines The EUroSceptic cause – unlike his puppet masters, whose coat tails he hangs onto, people like myself, Niall Warry, Richard North, Junius and many more are motivated by our honest beliefs, honestly held so astonishing to one with his ‘morality’ who can not understand duty or belief and is insistence we all act as he would ‘for money’!
The comments and chatterings of such as Mick McGough and an army of cowards bullying on the internet to seek to intimidate to suppress the truth speaks volumes of the calliber of those who have risen to destroy UKIP as a principled and honourable organisation.
Consider this idiotic comment from Mick McGough and do remember this is the odious little man who colluded with Andrew Smith in the corruption of the accounts of UKIP and for which Andrew Smith as treasurer quit and ran from the post when challenged even having circulated eMails advocating and advising how UKIP senior members as to how to cheat The Electoral Commission. An eMail published in full by me some ages ago!
It was that eMail which was a strong part of The Electoral Commissions case against6 UKIP – which as many will remember UKIP lost hands down, only protecting themselves from even greater sentence by invoking and sheltering from British Justice by the device of EU protection!
Do remember it was after all Mick McGough who was so clearly exposed and displayed as a liar who had set out to cheat his colleagues and the electorate – set out in UKIP’s Returning Officer’s own report on corruption in UKIP’s own corrupt methods – that minded note his comment:
Allegedly ?
Being cautious are we Niall? So unlike your lying puppet master who posts without corroboration or due diligence.

Rather than smoke with fire I think you’ll find they’re the remarks of a foreign woman scorned;another example of what we’ve had to endure from unlimited uncontrolled immigration from the EU.

Strange isn’t it that you ,Junius and GLW support the likes of the benefit fraudster Mote and another under investigation .
What a perverse world you inhabit;thank God you are in the minority

Let us fisk this item by item as a matter of record:
Allegedly ?
A device which has no validity under law as shelter from dishonesty.
Being cautious are we Niall?
Clearly not as it would seem that since he has not seen the wealth of documentary provenance and may not have witnesses of Gertard Batten’s racist statements and behaviour he has warned that in his case he is speaking to allegations made.
So very redollent of the standard of integrity of Mick McGough that he tries to smear by distortion!
So unlike your lying puppet master who posts without corroboration or due diligence.
Mick McGough seems to be only too willing to oiverlook his own libellous comments as he is completely unaware of the dilligence taken, nor the corroboration accrued nor even the documentary support of the facts published – yet he is all too willing to lie to support his claims and invent material to make his case.
Those who know Niall Warry or anything of him will appreciate just what fools they make of themselves in the pretence that he acts as ANYONE’s puppet!
Niall Warry is no McGough and acts out of duty, patriotism and principle.

Rather than smoke with fire I think you’ll find they’re the remarks of a foreign woman scorned;another example of what we’ve had to endure from unlimited uncontrolled immigration from the EU.

Yet another very typical example of UKIP’s insidious racism and xenophobia – What evidence does McGough have that Jasna Badzak, a victim of the largely EU created war in The Balkans I understand is now a legitimate resident in The UK married and if not actually  an assylum seeker clearly justified in her presence on those grounds.

Even the undeniably racist Gerard Batten with his vile rants about Islam and foreigners willingly employed this particular ‘foreigner’ Mick McGough defames as an ‘alien’ in one post and a perfidious and dishonest ‘foreigner’ in another. Might this be a case of an Irishman by origin seeking inclusivity one wonders just as the trustees in the death camps of The EU of Germany were as Jews willing to curry favour by abusing other Jews for their Nazi masters!

Strange isn’t it that you ,Junius and GLW support the likes of the benefit fraudster Mote

Perhaps Mick McGough – rather than seek to defame could identify where those at Junius, Niall Warry or I have EVER endorsed criminality – Whether in respect of Ashley Mote or any other, yet I well remember the vile attacks and criminality of those in UKIP which I endured, by way of both harrassment, cyber bullying and defamatory lies and distortion, as they set aout to protect Tom Wise who I denounced as a criminal yet UKIP took no action of any consequence save in seeking to defame me!

You may recall the list of dishonest and corrupt UKIP leadership and those in its claque who set out to cover-up the criminality of Tom Wise and who lied and distorted, bore false witness and sought to defame me for having the timerity to denounce his corruption that led to his prison sentence for two years:

and another under investigation .
I doubt somehow that Mick McGough is alluding to Stuart Agnew or David Bannerman who are under investigation by OLAF, nor of Gerard Batten who is I umnderstand under investigation, nor even Derek Clark who was found guilty of theft from the public purse and ordered top repay a considerable amount of money and is I believe still subject of investigation by The British Police having had the OLAF file passed to them – let us not forget when I denounced Dererk Clark for his fraud as boasted of in public and his dishonesty and corruption how UKIP claque in efforts to curry favour attacked me.
Even now Derek Clark lies to the regional committee and has regularly lied about me and made efforts to defame me – Yet again the facts have proved me right and Derek Clark has been exposed as a liar and a cheat, a low life beneath contempt who abuses his office for gain – let us not forget that it was I who published the details when he carried outNigel Farage’s bidding to obtain new members in his grubby little EU Group which would earn him more money and control of wehat was then the 400 budeget now renamed  to obfuscate yet still under Farage’s control, as with the budget for international travel which seem to be used, not for travel which he has denied UKIP MEPs but actually seems to use as bribes to buy extremist MEPs from other countries at UKIP expense!
Similarly I doubt Mick McGough is alluding to Graham Booth who was found guilty of fraudulent abuse of the public purse and ordered to repay the money or Jeffrey Titford or Nigel Farage who have similarly been found guilty of defrauding the public purse and ordered to repay monies.
Similarly I doubt he is referring to the fact that Nigel Farage was recently called in by the British Police and questioned regarding allegations of fraud against another that would seem to be in themselves dishonest and we gather the aim was to establish just how close to the corruption Nigel Farage’s position is and whether it was an act instigated on his instruction.
Nor I presume is Mick McGough alluding to the potential for follow up action in the High Courts against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Blook and UKIP which has been temporarily set aside by Nikki Sinclaire who received an unequivocal apology subsequent to the guilty verdict against Farage, Bloom and UKIP and there are those who believe that in an effort to avoid High Court action the ambitions of a gullible and stupid dupe John Ison was exploited to try to defame Nikki Sinclaire with falsified accounts which John Ison was paid to keep in order!
What a perverse world you inhabit;thank God you are in the minority
I fully understand why the likes of Mick McGough ‘thank their Gods’ that the likes of Junius, Niall Warry and myself are in a minority – it is a sad reflection that he perceives the honest who risk the wrath of the corrupt by exposing the truth are in a minority.
Again and again the odious claque of UKIP befoul the aims of the majority of their members by their desperate attempts to suppress the truth.
What party finds the obscene racist behaviour as covered on You Tube and in a double page spread in The News of The World not only acceptable but permitted Malcolm Lord Pearson to be their leader and never once denounced his behaviour.
Just what party of duty as an elected representative of the peoples of London are the vile attacks on Islam by Gerard Batten and his seeming efforts to incite racial hatred (seems to work noting Mick McGough’s veiled racism!).
What censure of UKIP’s present leader was ever made for his childish insecurity and drunken exploits with a prostitute that found UKIP with a double page spread in the same Sunday Paper.
The good folk of UKIP do not even have the courage to denounce the vile behaviour of the drunken clown Godfrey Bloom – no doubt to scared of the odious UKIP attack dogs in the harrassment claque who they know would round on them if they dared to denounce his childish and irresponsibility urinating in the corridors of Expensive Hotels he stays in as a rep[resentative of UKIP and OUR Country.
They do not even comment or censure when he is arrested copulating with a black prostitute on  the bonnet of a car in a public street in Brussels and subsequently pleading ‘diplomatic immunity’ to avoid charges or was that when he was arrested for absconding from a bordello in an effort to avoid paying for the affections and services he had bought!

Just as now it is noted that many in UKIP are harrassing me and dishonestly defaming me for having the timerity to publish material that is in the public domain already regarding Gerard Batten – material which would seem largely if not totally to be true.

May I remind readers that Gerard Batten has publicly lied about me, corrupted justice and colluded with Derek Clark & Douglas Denny to prevent justice in the case of the Kangeroo Cort held against Peter Baker.
Gerard Batten has further sought to intimidate and suppress the truth and wasted police time in abuse of his office very deliberately to dishonestly harrass me bearing false witness to seek to have the police act unlawfully on his behalf.
It is the very many proven instances of corruption on the part of Gerard Batten and his criminal associates and extemist chums that leads me to believe that in substance the material received from Jasna Badzak which has been published is in fact true.
Perhaps it is her intention that Gerard Batten acts against her for providing the material so that she can lay out the full documentary evidence and evidence she holds – frankluy I do NOT know and obviously I shall not publish further material I hold without it either being presented elsewhere in the public domain or should I receive further corroboration and substantiation.
As I have stated Gerard Batten is perfectly at liberty to request a right of reply or if he is able to present evidence that the facts provided are untrue I will obviously publish the full details and a detailed apology for having presumed that alt6hough I inclined to believe the evidence of Jasna Badzak I had not published until it was in the public domain and have only published that which is to date.
I stress again CLICK HERE clearly the aim is to publish the truth not sink to the level of falsehood, name calling and childish defamatory comments of UKIP so as to Clean-Up UKIP and try to make it electable to represent the cause of Leave-The-EU for decent honourable and informed individuals not just see it as a rather unpleasant clique of self serving low lifes kept in place by the ambitions of the claque of fools and charlattans mostly on the make an the take!
To be fair Mick McGough is not the only slime in the pack here are the comments of some coward passing themselves off as Arthur Fonzarelli to lie and dissemble:
I nearly choked on a latte when I read that Mr Warry. That’s because here you are, doing the dirty work of Mr Lance-Watkins and the Junius owners (all of whom are banned from here for refusing to substantiate allegations made) and I’m sure if push came to shove, they would drop you like a hot coal. Indeed, there are a number of people who have over the years had every last bit of use squeezed from them by Mr Lance-Watkins and then thrown aside as if they were yesterday’s newspaper. So yet again, you amuse me with your short-sightedness
Let us consider this self serving drivel:
I nearly choked on a latte when I read that Mr Warry.
Pretentious and rather silly – who cares?
That’s because here you are, doing the dirty work of Mr Lance-Watkins and the Junius owners
Perhaps it has not occurred to AF as a result of their motivation by money or the normality of doing the bidding of others that someone like Niall Warry carries out his own beliefs in his own right with honesty and integrity to try to clean-up UKIP as a long term supporter and even longer term EuroSceptic.
A EUroSceptic with varied success but a 100% track record of making such efforts as he can and at his own expense – unlike so many of his critics in UKIP!
(all of whom are banned from here for refusing to substantiate allegations made)
A LIE I was NOT banned for making false allegations I was banned for consistently repeating the truth and every single posting I ever made on the UKIP controlled forum in question is and was 100% verifiable and verified but one can hardly expect an apology from someone who lacks the integrity and ethics to put their name to their defamatory lies!
and I’m sure if push came to shove, they would drop you like a hot coal.
I can not speak for those at Junius though I have no reason to believe these claims to be one iota more accurate about Junius than they are lies with regard to me!
Indeed, there are a number of people who have over the years had every last bit of use squeezed from them by Mr Lance-Watkins and then thrown aside as if they were yesterday’s newspaper.
Another defamatory lie from the dishonest coward – NAME ONE!
So yet again, you amuse me with your short-sightedness
Sadly there is absolutely nothing about the damage done to The EUroSceptic movement by liars and cowards like this odious little creep, who unfortunately is representative of so many who debase and befoul UKIP, making it unfit for purpose as reflected by its abysmal track record at the ballot box of British Politics with less than 30 seats held through election out of some 19,500 available – clearly after nearly 20 years they can only be seen as an abject failure.
UKIP due to the likes of its leadership, staff, candidates and officers is not only unfit for purpose but contemptible in its racism, anti homosexuality, indifference to democratic principles, self seeking, self enriching, anti Judaism, fear of Islam and sordid associates be they British criminals like Gregory Lauder-Frost seen by most respomnsible individuals as an extremist or the gutter extremists of EU politics in their contemptible EFD Group which 1/3rd of UKIP’s own MEPs refuse to sit with despite the money it makes Nigel Farage!
To quote Nigel Farage:
The UK is no closer to a referendum

One has to concede he is probably right on this point but lets face it he and UKIP seem to have done almost everything possible to block the very successfull efforts of Nikki Sinclaire in this direction and when she and she alone led a campaign which UKIP refused to participate in she managed to gather a team and invest both her expenses and her own income in gaining well over 100,000 signatures and forcing Parliament at Westminster to have a full blown debate on the matter.

Yet we had the odious spectacle of Farage acting the charlatan and turning up to TRY to steal the praise for Nikki Sinclaire’s achievements.
Many will remember when UKIP allegedly organised a petition when it did seem that well over £1/4Million of tax payers money wound up in the pockets of David Lott, Nigel Farage and Mark Croucher as the so called organiser of a petition that never took place and can only have been so crassly and incompetently organised deliberately!
Indeed we are no closer to a referendum and it would noty be unreasonable to say – largely due to Nigel Farage’s Party – whether by incompetence, dishonesty or design I leave it to you to weigh the evidence!
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John PETLEY of UKFirst & UKIP seeks approval!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 12/01/2010

John PETLEY of UKFirst & UKIP seeks approval!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

John PETLEY of UKFirst & UKIP seeks approval!


In the form of a denunciation and expose of his colleagues in UKIP to the then titular leader Malcolm Lord Pearson acting as a stand in for Nigel Farage!

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Hi,
you may well find this essay on UKIP by the somewhat strange John Petley, who to be fair sees almost all that he does, it seems, from the perspective of his personal belief in how valuable is his intellect and how he should be exceedingly well remunerated, and along side this an extremist and evangelical base for his superstitions as a self proclaimed Christian!Interestingly, when he failed to reach the levels of personal importance and income he believed he was worth he rather self importantly decamped to help form an alternative political party.

John Petley was one of the early members and thus founders and organisers of The UKFirstParty CLICK HERE
John Petley managed and largely wrote the web site for UKFP, but after the election when it became clear UKFP were not going to make the breakthrough they had hoped John Petley set out to ingratiate himself with  the politically incompetent UKIP leadership and wasreintegrated into UKIP and became a key member of Prof. Tim Congdon’s staff on what I understand is a grossly over generous remuneration, but you must judge for yoursel his worth and loyalty when you read the following text:

For Lord Pearson – My time working for UKIP in Brussels and other things.

 

By John Petley

An Essay in the following 10 sections:

01.   Introduction

02.   The Farage problem – a personal perspective on a flawed personality

03.   Playing on innocence

04.   The Brussels disaster as I saw it from 2006 to 2008.

05.   An unconvincing domestic agenda.

06.   Professionalisng the Party?

07.   NEC problems and other structural failings.

08.   Financial problems

09.   So this is why I left 

10.   An unexpected opportunity

Introduction

I joined UKIP in 2001, having never before been a member of a political party. I lived in Hailsham, East Sussex at the time, and joined the Wealden Branch. I spoke for the party at three meetings during the 2004 European Parliamentary Campaign when we could not find two MEP candidates. On the strength of these performances, I found myself invited to become the PPC for Lewes in the 2005 General Election. During the campaign, I became acquainted with John Harvey, one of UKIP’s founder members who lives in a village just outside Lewes. I had been looking for a change of career after some 20 years in IT and asked if there was any chance of working for UKIP. John spoke to Nigel Farage, who in turn spoke to his then senior researcher Adrian Muldrew who asked me to produce a piece of research to test my suitability to join the team in Brussels. Both Adrian and the then head of staff, Heather Conyngham, liked what they read. I was invited out to Brussels for a day to be interviewed by Nigel Farage and David Lott in November 2005, and started work in Brussels in January 2006. By this time, my wife and I had moved to Herstmonceux, only three miles from Hailsham, but in the Bexhill & Battle constituency. I moved my membership to this branch, and indeed could well have ended up the PPC for them had I not had the problems outlined below.   

 

The Farage problem – a personal perspective on a flawed personality

 

Many past and present UKIPpers started off initially impressed with Nigel Farage. My personal route from awe to disgust of the man is in a sense unique, but in other ways not untypical of what so many past and present UKIPpers have gone through. The first high profile UKIP speaker I heard was Jeffrey Titford, at a Democracy Movement meeting in St. Leonards, East Sussex about two years after I first joined the party. Jeffrey seemed to be talking sense, and I was reasonably impressed. On mentioning this to members of the branch in the area (Bexhill & Battle), the response from I received was, “Wait until you’ve heard Nigel Farage.” I was able to hear him a few months later in nearby Bexhill, and found his direct, hard-hitting style quite exciting and refreshing  – a contrast from most politicians in the three established parties. When criticism of Roger Knapman began to surface following the triumphs in the 2004 European Parliamentary elections, I picked up the feeling that many members at the time wanted to replace him not with Kilroy but with Nigel, feeling that a dynamic young leader would restore the momentum that we seemed to be losing. I would never have supported the removal of Roger. I felt that he was underestimated by the membership. (and having subsequently got to know him through working in Brussels, I believe this assessment was correct.) However, looking to when his term of office was to end, I would then have supported Nigel for leader.  He seemed the rising star – the obvious heir apparent.           

 

Amidst all the adulation, the first criticism I first heard of Nigel was at a UKIP SE activists’ meeting from a member of a branch from Kent, who said he had a big ego. Until this point, the only negative thing I had heard about him was that he had not denied visiting a brothel in (I think) Athens, although this was only a rumour, and not a reliable source. My contact with him had been quite limited before starting in Brussels. He had struck me as “rather a lad” who liked his booze and fags, but I knew that I should not expect a politician necessarily to adhere to my Christian standards. I was looking forward to getting to know him better when I started my new job in Brussels, and felt rather in awe of him. 

 

Within a couple of months, my view of him had begun to change. There were several reasons for this. Firstly, when he came to be the guest speaker at the annual dinner of my local UKIP Branch, Bexhill and Battle, his speech was disappointing. It was all about himself, and was a regurgitation of anecdotes I had heard before.  Secondly, there were further rumours of his sexual impropriety, including that he was having an affair with Annabelle Fuller, one of my colleagues in Brussels at the time, who subsequently achieved such notoriety in the UKIP press office and subsequently with the posting of John West’s interview. More serious was the fact that cronyism rather than competence seemed to be what counted. Brussels was very much Nigel’s empire, as he had been there as an MEP since 1999, was head of the UKIP delegation and co-president of the Ind Dem group. He had considerable say in who joined the staff, and what their roles were to be. Adrian Muldrew was complaining repeatedly about the low quality of work produced by two of the staff – one being Annabelle Fuller and the other Steve Reed, his current office assistant of whom more anon. David Lott, Chief of Staff and very much Nigel’s man, refused to take any action, and actually turned against Adrian. This seemed very odd. as I had been taken on ostensibly as part of a move to “professionalise” the party. I have only ever seen one piece of Annabelle’s work. I was looking at Flat Tax at the time, and she e-mailed me a document she had written saying “I am rather proud of this”. It talked about the 19th Century economist Ricardo. It looked to me as though most of it had been cut & pasted. It went into no great depth, and considering Annabelle was based in John Whittaker’s assistant’s office at the time, it hardly suggested she was a great force in the field of economics. I could have written as good if not better, and my degree was in music.  

 

At this time, I first heard about the questions being asked about the South East region accounts. Another colleague of mine told me that he would never give any money to a general UKIP appeal because he had no confidence where the money would end up.

 

Although shocked by all this, I took the Biblical attitude of not wanting to believe an accusation unless there were two or three witnesses, I didn’t have to wait long for further evidence. A chance conversation with Heather Conyngham, who was still working out in Brussels for the first month I was there even though David Lott had now taken over, confirmed the essence of what I had been hearing, and added that Nigel had been a factor in every major UKIP bust-up since the departure of Alan Sked.

 

By the summer recess of 2006, a mere seven months since coming out to Brussels, I was now firmly of the opinion that Nigel Farage was a liability to the party. I heard from a colleague about a conversation between Farage and Gerard Batten shortly before the Bromley by-election. It transpired that Farage had discussed a deal with the Tories whereby if they selected the Eurosceptic but not withdrawalist MEP Syed Kamall as their candidate, UKIP would not put up a candidate. On hearing of this, Gerard was incensed and said, “If you don’t stand, I will.” As it happened, the Tories chose Bob Neill, and with Gerard being the ultra-loyalist that he is, he chose not to leak this out. Nigel then announced at a big UKIP meeting the following weekend about how excited he was at being able to contest another by-election. Most people cheered. I was livid.

 

I did not vote for him as party leader, but for a while it seemed that I would have to swallow my misgivings, as in the first few months of the Farage leadership, the party acquired two Lords, then the economist Tim Congdon and several other significant Eurosceptics. A year later, I was to discover from some statistics produced by the late Piers Merchant that this new sense of hope in the party was not matched by the opinion polls. UKIP  slumped to below 1%, and the start of the slump coincided with Farage’s election as leader.   

 

I had heard of Farage’s habitual lying from other people, but had first hand evidence of it when David Abbott’s  $100 donation to a BNP support group in America was blown up in the national media in March 2007 simply because of David’s criticism of Nigel’s leadership. Before standing for the NEC, David came quite clean about this donation. He did not want to stand for office if it would compromise him. Being so insignificant a sum, a one-off and inadvertent, Nigel and others said it was not a problem. However, when David began to start opposing Nigel on the NEC, Nigel deliberately leaked this out to he press and made it out that David had been seriously involved with the BNP. When I challenged Nigel, saying that either he or Mark Croucher were ill-advised to have done this, his reply was “Neither I nor Croucher contacted the Press.” The Press had also spoken to a person I know who has held senior office in the party about the David Abbott business, and this person told me that when the reporter concerned rang up, he said, “I’ve just been speaking to Mark Croucher.”

   

Perhaps I should add that this exchange occurred when Nigel summoned me into his office and questioned me about my friendship with Adrian Muldrew. Adrian was by now absolutely persona non grata with Nigel, but a few months earlier, Adrian had kindly offered me a home for a couple of weeks when there had been a temporary delay in moving into new accommodation in Brussels. I had left Adrian’s house quite a while before my interview with Nigel, but what business was it of his anyway?     

 

Being summoned into Nigel’s office was by now an ordeal which I dreaded. I had to summon up my best acting skills and always stared him straight in the eye. He often shuffled his legs up and down under the table – a sure sign that he wasn’t comfortable either. Some times, it was nothing to worry about, and he was usually pleased with he research I did for him. However, once he came into my office and ranted at me because I had contacted Mike Nattrass (whose assistant I was for a while) about a dubious amendment to a piece of Parliamentary legislation put forward at Committee stage by Jens-Peter Bonde, Ind Dem Co-president, in the name of the group. Adrian had spotted this and said that UKIP MEP’s couldn’t support it, as it was giving more power to the EU (I can’t remember the exact details beyond this) I thought I had better tell Mike, and Mike must have contacted Nigel, who then stormed in and said, “But we always vote against this in Plenary.” I guess Nigel knew I wasn’t happy with UKIP MEP’s being in Ind Dem.

 

On the subject of lying, Farage claimed that Tom Wise had been expelled from the party. This is not true. Tom had the UKIP whip withdrawn from him when it was known he was under investigation, but Tom remained a UKIP member until he let his membership lapse in 2009. He was even contacted asking if he would give money towards the 2009 European Election campaign.

 

It was not just over Ind Dem that I disagreed with Nigel’s policy. He spoke at Hastings in November 2005 and said something on the lines of, “Well, UKIP isn’t getting much exposure because the EU isn’t in the news much now, but just wait- it’ll be back on the agenda.” He was proved right with a vengeance when the failed Constitution metamorphosised into the Lisbon Treaty, but he singularly missed the opportunity to put UKIP at the head of the campaign to oppose it. It was always going to be a tough battle to stop the treaty, but it would have put the party back in the consciousness of the electorate. Instead, it was left to an ordinary Party member to launch the “Parish Polls” initiative. On the day of the mass lobby of the House of Commons, Farage was in Brussels. I know, because I heard his voice in the corridor outside my office. This missed opportunity, for which he must take the blame, must represent UKIP’s biggest political mistake in its entire history.  

 

I had the task for the last year of answering difficult e-mails sent to Head Office in Newton Abbot. I always took the party line, even if I was personally uncomfortable with it, such as over Nigel’s defiance of the Parliament’s smoking ban and support for pro-smoking groups. Only once, when I was forwarded a query about Derek Clark signing Ind Dem’s “Bucharest declaration” on UKIP’s behalf with its support for subsidiarity and CAP reform did I deviate from this rule, and simply passed it to Ind Dem enthusiast Gawain Towler to answer. I felt this e-mail was a poisoned chalice. If I took the party line, not only would it sit uneasily with my conscience, but it could be held against me if at a later date (as I hoped) UKIP would renounce Ind Dem. However, if I had said what I felt – that I agreed with the e-mail, that the signing was a mistake and that UKIP’s MEP’s should not be in Ind Dem – Nigel would have gone ballistic if he had found out. Fortunately, Gawain never followed up my reasons for passing this e-mail on, so I lived to fight another day. Another lie was perpetrated in Nigel’s name about this: when party members rang up the South East Regional office in anger about the Bucharest declaration, they wee told it was nothing to do with Nigel. Only when it became apparent that too many copies of the e-mail proving he had a hand in its wording (I still have a copy at home) did the line change. 

 

By the summer of 2007, I felt that I was living on borrowed time. In many ways, I am amazed I lasted so long. I ensured that no-one was around when I rang any known opponents of Farage in the UK, and he never knew just who I knew. I always kept my office door closed, and fortunately, the enthusiasm of Farage and his cronies to go off most evenings drinking in O’Farrell’s (the Irish pub very near to the Parliament building) meant I had some privacy.    

 

By this time, staff and MEP’s were split down the middle. Farage supporters, notably Gawain and the odious Aurelie Laloux (Jeffrey Titford’s assistant) held the senior positions among the staff. When Aurelie went off for maternity leave, things improved somewhat, but her return signalled the start of three awful months. The atmosphere in the office from February 2008 to my departure in April gave me an inkling of what it must have been like to live in the Soviet Union – You were always watching your back and every pair of footsteps outside the office door made you feel uneasy. So bizarre that fellow-withdrawalists should be the cause of such a poisonous atmosphere. I have to say that in over two years working in Brussels, I had no animosity from the “nasty” EU. UKIP staff were treated fairly.

 

My dismissal shows the utterly devious nature of Farage. He was not directly involved, but his fingerprints are all over it. It all began on Monday 7th April 2008 after Roger Knapman’s “Stop the Treaty” conference in Bristol the previous Saturday which I had gone to. When I got back to Brussels, I tried to access my parliamentary e-mail account, but was unable to do so. I entered the password about 10 times, but was repeatedly blocked. I know that I did not type in my password incorrectly. Having worked in IT before going into research, I knew hacking when I saw it. The hacker had, fortunately, failed to guess my password, but had locked me out. I spoke to Oumar Dombouya, the man delegated to manage IT affairs for Ind Dem. He re-set my password and set a monitoring facility on my account, as Adrian had had a similar problem, and suspected hacking.

 

On Thursday afternoon (10th April), Graham Booth came into my office with a print-out of the names, subjects and dates of the e-mails I had sent in recent weeks. He asked me to print out the contents of four of these. After he had left the office, I looked at a couple of these e-mails on my computer, and as I was doing so, the access to my e-mail account suddenly went down. When I eventually was able to bring up the initial screen and try to sign on, once again, I was locked out, just as I had been the previous Monday.

 

I subsequently discovered that it is within the rules to print out the list (although not the content) of the e-mails sent by EP staff without asking them. However, I did not know this at the time, and refused to take Booth ‘s word that this was the case or provide him with the content of these e-mails until I could establish the facts. In view of my suspicions about someone trying to tamper with my e-mails, I think this was quite reasonable. However, his response to my refusal my saying that in his eyes, this amounted to a “lack of trust” in me, This was the catch-all phrase that can be used to dismiss staff if you don’t like them but can’t find any good reason for sacking them. I had always got on fairly well with Graham until then, and I know Nigel set him up, because he expressed a very negative opinion of one person to whom these e-mails were sent (a branch chairman in the South East) and when I contacted this individual, he said that he had never had any dealings with Graham. Only Nigel could have singled out this e-mail. 

 

Oumar was very helpful initially to my attempts to find out who had been hacking into my account. He traced it to a UK-registered machine (no surprise!) but could not go any further because of intimidation by Hermann Verheirstraten, a senior member of the Ind Dem secretariat. He subsequently kept his distance from me, simply out of fear.

 

My dismissal was e-mailed to me on Thursday 24th April. This was a Strasbourg plenary, and I was teleworking at the time. Quite honestly, it was a relief not to have to go back to Brussels. It amazed me to hear afterwards from Piers Merchant that Graham Booth had been going round the South West telling people that I (along with Adrian Muldrew and Gary Cartwright) were MI5 spies! Meanwhile, Steve Harris, UKIP’s South East regional organiser, again no doubt mouthing Nigel’s words, has been telling people in the South East that my dismissal was because I was hacking into other people’s e-mails!

 

A statement about this illegal hacking was made to the Belgian police.  I have copies of the documents  at home.  

 

My desire to see Nigel removed permanently from any position of political influence is not a case of sour grapes because he sacked me. He sacked me because I already held this opinion, and I am not very good at hiding my feelings. I remember having a conversation with Roger Knapman outside his office, and saying something about, “the days when we had a decent leader.” At that moment, Nigel came up the corridor. He can’t fail to have heard what I said. 

 

The party has been in the grip of a man who I can only describe as evil. The poison emanating from him has been the main reason why UKIP looked like it was going to go nowhere in the early part of 2009 until Stuart Wheeler’s donation saved the day. Now he is no longer leader, his influence over the party must be brought to an end once and for all. The withdrawalist cause needs a more honourable spokesman to fight its cause. His personal failings, which I have described above, have been coupled with exceedingly poor political judgement and a disastrous policy in Brussels.    

 

Playing on innocence

 

Many of those who joined UKIP, myself included, were new to politics. We could see that being in the EU was not in Britain’s best interests, but did not necessarily combine this piece of wisdom with political discernment. I would guess I am not alone in admitting that at one point, I believed two things I now regard as erroneous – firstly that anything in print that says something bad about the EU must be correct, and secondly that anyone opposed to Britain’s membership of the EU must be a good chap. I will address the first of these mistakes later on. It is the second I want to concentrate on at this point.

 

Nigel’s shrewdness has enabled him to carve out his power base in the party. His relative youth and undoubted eloquence have made him a hero with many party members. Steve Harris once told a meeting at which I was present of a phone call were someone asked him, “When is that young man going to become Prime Minister?” I have no reason to doubt that Steve was telling the truth. It epitomises how Nigel has played on the innocence of many party members. They have not had sufficient experience to spot when his leadership has been poor. He would not have dared depict the dressing up in chicken costumes of three members of staff in Strasbourg on the front of Independence unless he was sure that his adoring fans would think it was a wonderful gesture rather than the appalling schoolboy buffoonery that the rest of the world viewed it as.

 

He has been able to gain total control over UKIP’s media. “You don’t work for the party, you work for me,” he told one employee in the Press Office. That admirable quality of trust which is a feature of so many UKIP members has enabled him to turn the Independence into a very one-sided view of things. UKIP’s decent, loyal members are not aware of the control he has carved out for himself. He has marshalled party opinion behind him by equating opposition to himself with “attempts to destroy the party.” The suppression of dissent is not healthy in a political party. It leads to “yes men” ending up in senior positions – a sure recipe for disaster.

 

The Brussels disaster as I saw it from 2006 to 2008.

 

One blogger recently mocked UKIP by saying how ridiculously inflated the role of an MEP had become in the party. Other parties don’t send out their first XI to Brussels, but being an MEP gives you almost god-like status among some sections of the membership of UKIP.

 

The big point of disagreement I would have with this statement is that UKIP has most definitely NOT sent out its First XI to Brussels. In 2004, Nigel was unable to stop London choosing  Gerard Batten for the No. 1 spot, nor to stop Roger Knapman being elected in the South West. However, his objective of ensuring that he ended up with a team in which he would be the star was in 2004, to a degree, successful. The result was an unmitigated disaster.

 

I have referred to the innocence of many party members. The idea that the MEP lists were manipulated would never have crossed most of our minds back in 2004.  Nigel had to be careful because he had already built up a structure in which the party’s MEP’s would operate, and better to have someone unsuitable but who would not ask questions rather than a competent individual who, besides challenging Nigel’s pre-eminence, might ask too many questions, especially on financial matters. No-one should be allowed to become an MEP if they might query why, for instance, David Lott claimed some €1500 for three nights in Strasbourg! (I have seen a copy of the invoice) I would suspect that even with Piers Merchant having written a report on the 2009 MEP selection process, most members would be unaware of the chicanery that went on.

 

In the five years from 1999 to 2004, he had made the acquaintance of people like Jens-Peter Bonde – a past master at making money out of Euroscepticism. The Ind Dem Group, like its precursor EDD, was a fairly loose coalition of assorted Eurosceptics from both the left and right of the political spectrum who joined together purely for the financial benefit of being in a group. UKIP were the only withdrawalists in this group – a fact that raised eyebrows on several occasions when I mentioned it to party members. Ind Dem encouraged a culture of financial secrecy, and Farage bought into this. I Was told that one French member of staff walked uninvited into the office of  Klo Vangrenderbeek, Ind Dem’s secretary General, and found her counting large numbers of banknotes. She was sacked on the spot. This member of staff’s name  was Genevieve  Locqueville, and I am sure I can find her contact details if you wish to verify the story. All very suspicious.

 

It is not just the financial issues that have contributed to the disaster of UKIP’s MEPs in Brussels – there have been all too many instances of poor, ill-prepared speeches. Graham Booth’s setting himself up as an authority on climate change on the strength of an “O” level in astronomy was an embarrassment. I wrote speeches for some MEP’s and have seen them mutilated and spoilt by the MEP in question. Sometimes, it has been an embarrassment to listen to them in the Plenaries. There were exceptions, notably Roger Knapman, who ensures his speeches are well-written, and Gerard Batten, who always writes his own speeches after careful research. Sadly, however, Godfrey Bloom’s infamous speech in 2004 about women cleaning behind fridges has set an all-too-common precedent.               

 

The press have been all too ready to pounce on bad behaviour by UKIP’s MEP’s. Tom Wise was unfortunate to be duped by an undercover reporter on the subject of MEP’s allowamnces. Nigel was lucky that the occasion when he was so drunk in a bar Strasbourg that he had to be carried out did not receive more coverage than it did.

 

Besides the MEP’s, the staff did not always delivered the goods. All too many of Gawain Towler’s press releases were bad to the point of embarrassment. Gawain was Ind Dem press officer when I worked in Brussels. I remember once being asked once to write a press release. Gawain subsequently edited it and replaced one word with another meaning the exact opposite! While I cannot prove this, I would suspect that some 90% of press releases would have gone straight into the editors’ wastepaper bins. On another occasion, at a meeting of a think tank in Brussels where the guest speaker was Dan Mitchell, a senior fellow of the Heritage Foundation, an American think tank Gawain turned up seriously drunk. He introduced me to this man (I had yet to fall out of favour at this time) but I was acutely embarrassed. Gawain has also admitted to me that he has smoked over 100 joints!

 

Aurelie Laloux is another disaster. She was taken on by UKIP in the 1999-2004 Parliament because of her excellent linguistic skills, as only in 2004 was English placed alongside French in official Parliamentary communications. Her political judgement is less acute, and had led to some very bizarre voting lists being produced which UKIP’s enemies like Labour MEP Richard Corbett have been delighted to publish. When there was a debate on the Lisbon Treaty at Strasbourg in early 2008, the Green group (or was it the Communists?) proposed a “rejection amendment” – i.e. that the treaty should be rejected. Aurelie’s voting list, prepared for UKIP’s MEP’s, did not have us supporting this amendment. She was also responsible for choosing which debates UKIP’s MEP’s will speak in. Her choice was quite bizarre at times, giving the speechwriters (such as myself) the challenge of preparing speeches offering very little opportunity for the MEP to make any telling point, as the debate may have been on something quite obscure – such as updating EU air traffic agreements with countries in North Africa to include the new member states.

 

As for Nigel’s assistant Steve Reed, he deserves a chapter to himself. We will look at him under the heading, “Professionalising the Party?” His voting lists can be a bit bizarre, and unlike  Aurelie, he cannot plead the excuse that he is not working in his mother tongue. 

 

The philosophy is that UKIP must vote against and speak against everything. What happens when the EU proposes something that will actually command widespread popular support, such as the forced reduction in mobile phone roaming charges? Credit where credit was due from the strongly Eurosceptic former DUP MEP Jim Allister, who said, “It makes a pleasant change to welcome a piece of EU legislation. The enforced reduction in mobile roaming charges is good for consumers across Europe.“  However UKIP had to find something negative, such as the fact that the main beneficiaries would be people like MEP’s themsleves who make many international calls on mobile phones. While it is true that the mandate for UKIP’s MEP’s mandate is never to vote in favour of any EU regulation, if there is likely to be strong popular support for individual moves, it is surely better to abstain, or at least keep quiet, and keep the powder dry for the really serious issues.    

 

I have not mentioned the corruption aspects and the ongoing investigations by OLAF – the EU Anti-fraud watchdog – into Ind Dem (including some UKIP MEP’s and staff), but this has done nothing to help the party, and the imprisonment of Tom Wise, four years after Daniel Foggo first revelaed his improprieties, is unlikely to be the only such embarrassment for the Party.  OLAF have been recently making other investigations.   

 

Few UKIP MEP’s have availed themselves of the opportunity to used the Brussels staff for serious research. Gerard Batten is an honourable exception, with the excellent How much does the EU cost Britain?  Booklets, which are produced by the Bruges group and updated each year.  Apart from this, only Tom Wise, whose assistant Gary Cartwright produced a booklet on fisheries, and Roger Knapman, showed any interest in this important area. For seven MEP’s therefore, an excellent opportunity has gone begging. 

 

Hard though it is to say it. the UKIP team, both MEP’s and staff, convey the image of a bungling bunch of amateurs. There are some honourable exceptions, and I have tried to highlight these. I would strongly refute any suggestion that  UKIP’s disaster in Brussels has been because “they knw we don’t like the EU.”  Yes, it is true that the Parliament’s president shows more leniency to pro-EU MEP’s than to UKIP when their speeches overrun. This apart, I would say that the disaster has been self-inflicted and would have been avoidable with a better calibre of both MEP’s and staff. Perhaps the best illustration of the disaster UKIP has turned into is the infamous “Chicken Costume” incident  in Strasbourg two years ago. I can vouch for this being Nigel’s idea. When the three staff members (Gawain Towler, Paul Nuttall and Ralph Atkinson) were escorted from the area near the Hemicycle by the security staff, it led to a very heated but almost surreal press conference, firstly with Gawain (still in his costume minus the chicken head!) and then Nigel, complaining bitterly to the media that the reason we were being treated unfairly in not being allowed to parade around in these outfits was because we opposed the Lisbon Treaty. What noinsense! No wonder the rest of the European Parliament saw UKIP as a bit of a joke.At least no MEP had dressed up, although only because Gary Cartwright and I had been able to work on Joyce Nattrass to persuade her husband not to be a chicken – he had originally volunteered for this ridiculous stunt!      

 

An unconvincing domestic agenda.

 

UKIP has always professed to be a fully-fledged political party. It has produced manifestos which range over a number of domestic issues besides withdrawal from the EU and areas with strong EU links, such as immigration. However, right up to and beyond the 2005 General Election, in spite of the manifesto produced for that occasion, UKIP was perceived not only by the public but by many members as essentially a single-issue party. My experience standing for the party in Lewes at that time was fairly typical – I could articulate the issues relating to the EU pretty well, but put me into a debate where the focus was a domestic issue like education and I was out of my depth. I had read the manifesto, but it really wasn’t much help.

 

In early 2006, when David Bannerman became chairman, things began to change on this front. He launched the “Five Right Things to do” initiative that took UKIP into new territory such as education, law and order and tax. Yes, as mentioned, we had touched on these and other areas in earlier manifestos, but not in the sort of depth now being proposed.

 

It is perhaps hard for me to be objective here, as I did much of the donkey work for the education policy of 2006. David Lott said that it was “the best policy document that UKIP had ever produced.”  It put UKIP in touch with education pressure groups such as the excellent “Campaign for Real Education” and in fact led to the retired probation officer and author David Fraser if not joining the party certainly becoming more sympathetic to it – a real first for the party. Until now, people had only ever joined UKIP over EU-related issues.

 

A few months later, John Whittaker’s Flat Tax policy was launched at a fringe meeting during the 2006 Tory Party conference in Bournemouth. This again strengthened he party’s links with groups like the Taxpayers’ Alliance, who were represented at the launch.       

 

However, these initiatives do not seem to have turned UKIP in the public eye from a single-issue party. The problem is that UKIP hasn’t been able to take ownership of this ground. Its dabbling in domestic politics has not been convincing. Part of the problem is having had a leader with no ability to speak convincingly and informedly on domestic issues. He has little interest in the minutiae of domestic policy and has never really allowed decent spokesmen their head. The person he did delegate policy work to, Bannerman, never succeeded in achieving a policy launch having anything like the profile of the Flat Tax announcement.  Bannerman’s competence is questionable. His chairmanship of the Bow Group is one of few features about his life not in dispute. How someone with this supposed breadth of policy experience, particularly in the field of transport can propose electrifying a line which was closed 41 years ago beats me!  I can vouch for the fact that this proposal was included in the first draft of the UKIP transport policy document.  

 

These policy initiatives have failed to change either the public perception of UKIP nor the thinking of some party members. Two years on from my struggles in Lewes, I was seconded to help out with the Sedgefield by-election, and for all my enthusiasm to ensure our candidate was well briefed on domestic policies, he just kept going back to the EU all the time. The UKIP  candidates in the 2010 General Election will largely be in the same position, unless drastic steps are taken very shortly . If the candidates are not confident with a broader agenda, how can the electorate be convinced that UKIP is more than just a single-issue party? 

 

Professionalisng the Party?

 

The second catchphrase in early 2006 alongside “Five Right Things to do” was “Professionalisng the Party.” I came out to Brussels quite humbled at the thought of being part of this process, seeing as I was a newcomer to political research. Nearly three years on, I cannot seriously believe that Nigel ever had any intention of making UKIP a professional party.

 

We need to go back to Brussels to see how shallow of the talk of “professionalism” is. Nigel’s office assistant out there is Steve (or Andrew) Reed – an individual whom I bear no personal grudge towards, but whose competence is highly dubious, to say the least.

 

Steve is a conspiracy theorist of the most eccentric type. He also writes the most grotesque English and has a serious drink problem.  The net result is this letter, sent out from Nigel’s office in response to correspondence from a member of the public about the situation in Zimbabwe two years ago:-

 

Zimbabwe is certainly a country under siege from the “international community”, whose neo-colonial policies in Africa are thinly disguised as “humanitarian intervention” in conflicts, which it may well have instigated, just as they were in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

So embarrassing was this letter, which also stated that the EU was worse than Zimbabwe, that extracts from it appeared in the Independent newspaper, and was the reason why a hastily-cobbled together “UKIP Statement on Zimbabwe” suddenly appeared on the party’s website. Yet Steve lived to fight another day and to produce this  response to a letter which simply asked the MEP’s to support a written declaration on the setting-up of a Europe-wide register of missing children, following the McCanns’ visit to the European Parliament:-.

 

European coöperation, furthermore, is rather hindered, than helped, by the centralised bureaucracies of the EU, which, by abolishing national frontiers, have made EU-territory a playground for all types of crime, and which, in general, are rather intent on extending their powers than on governing wisely and well.  This is only to be expected of an organisation, which lacks all democratic accountability…Indeed, the only way the huge, multilingual territories of the EU can be governed is by means of a repressive police-state, where every identity, asset and movement is monitored. 

 

I have a collection of other such gems.

 

Steve’s briefing documents for the MEP’s display a similar lack of professionalsim. Instead of sticking to a simple summary of proposed legislation, he likes to have a rant about the EU. That’s not the job of an assistant. Gerard Batten has expressed extreme frustarion over this, but Steve remains in the Farage assistant office!

 

Gawain Towler’s incompetence has laready been mentioned. He has a background in the press, and appears to be widely connected but the quality of his work leaves much to be deisred.

 

Turning to the UK, the bigggest failing has been the total lack of any  program to train party activists. UKIP contains many enthusiastic and committed members who have never been involved in politics before. They have joined because they have read or heard something that has convinced them that Britain should leave the EU. Now while there are good sound reasons for supporting Britain’s withdrawal, there are also all manner of crackpot conspiracy theories doing the rounds, and some party members have regurgitated these in all innocence, believing that anyone saying bad  things about the EU must be telling the truth. A professional party should have been providing education at all levels to ensure that party members are gven the tools to separate fact from fiction. I took the initiative whe I was out in Brussels and produced a little leaflet called the “Mythbuster” to help in this area, and distributed a few copies to people who asked about it. It came about when the West Sussex County Organiser, John Wallace, asked me to check a leflet he was planning to distribute in the county. I was horrrified to see how he had been quoting from the most wacky of conspiracy theorists without any check as to whether there was any reality behind what they were saying. I should not have to take this initiative. It is this sort of thing that has given UKIP something of an image problem – Cameron’s comments about “fruitcakes and loonies” has sometimes been closer to the mark than we would like.

 

The result of this lack of professionalsim is that the party has failed to advance among a key sector of the population. A good few people, possibly some 1/3 of the voting population, have a visceral dislike of the EU and have been easily won over to a withdrawalist position. They may not necessarily be UKIP voters, but they would agree with the overall stance of the party. There are also another significant group, my estimate being a further 1/3 of all voters, who have misgivings about the EU, but are not solidly in the withdrawalist camp. Maybe they have been conned by the propaganda of the three established parties, or perhaps they are still weighing up the arguments. As a generality, these will be serious thinkers. Such people are not going to be convinced by conspiracy theory claptrap, chicken costumes or gimmicky, silly cartoons. Focus groups have painted a picture of UKIP as a negative party, and I would venture that some who voiced this opinion include representatives of this “middle third” that UKIP should be addressing. It will require a positive approach to win these people over, which UKIP has this far failed to make. Sadly, UKIP’s failure to advance among this important section of the electorate has set back the cause of independence by several years.  It is the Taxpayers’ Alliance, who have just produced an excellent book, Ten Years On – Britain without the European Unin – who are really setting the agenda at the moment.

 

NEC problems and other structural failings.

 

The NEC is meant to represent the membership. It has been reduced to rubber-stamping Nigel’s decisions. Whether those on the NEC have been fairly voted into office is another matter – Lisa Duffy, a fairly unknown figure until her elevation to the NEC, apparently received more votes in the 2008 NEC election than Nigel received in the party leadership election two years earlier! Naturally, she has taken the Farage line. Since 2004, the story of the NEC is a procession of well-intentioned members either resigning or being forced out. It is claimed that some NEC members disagree in private with some of the things that Nigel does. All well and good, but they usually voted in support of his suggestions, and failed to support Delroy Young, Dr David Abbott and Dr Eric Edmond who have had the bravery to express their misgivings openly.

 

Another serious structural failing is the inability of the party to remove the leader. In the days of  Kilroy’s membership, the rules were tightened up in this area. The net result is that any initiative to remove Nigel always fell foul of the sheer logistics required to call an egm.

 

At the core of the party is a culture of cronyism and secrecy. During the selection of candidates for the 2009 European Parliamentary elections, the South West wanted the Electoral Commission to handle the selection from start to finish, but this was rejected. The result has been a series of unanswered questions and threatened court action – especially in the Eastern Region whereby Robin Page and John West never appeared on the list and the Farage favourite Bannerman ended up in pole position. The removal of Gregg Beaman  from the No. 1 spot in the North West was also shrouded in controversy. Were the results fiddled even in the South East? One candidate in the South East region sent a delegate to the count, who saw a good number of ballot papers with votes for Farage and Andreasen only. In a straw poll of my local branch committee, not one person said they had voted in this way. It all looks very suspicious, and the official response to these gripes of, “Well, be thankful you’re not a Tory. Their existing MEP’s automatically get the top slots” is just not acceptable. It epitomises the fact that the membership have very little power in the party. The Political Committee is appointed, not chosen. Paul Nutall, the previous chairman was appointed without the NEC being previously consulted. The control of all the official media outlets, including the Independence newsletter, means that real debate is not possible.

 

When the Lechlade Group think-tank was set up, Nigel told the then party General Secretary Geoffrey Kingscott that his first task was to get it closed down. He was initially no more supportive of the widely reported “Parish Poll” campaign, that was set up by an ordinary UKIP member in Dorset.

 

Thanks to the innocence of many party members noted above, UKIP – the party that professes to believe in “bottoms-up” democracy and whose members sing the praises of Switzerland’s political system – became under Nigel Farage the most top-down party in British politics.

 

Financial problems

 

The last subject to be considered is the timebomb of financial scandal ticking away. Some pretty damning data about the Ashford Call Centre has been in the Public domain for a number of years. Activists have pressed for answers and have been fobbed off time after time. 

 

Even small issues suggest that there is something fishy in how money is handled. Why can members not renew their membership by Direct Debit? So simple, so what is the problem?

 

Another odd issue is how UKIP seems to find so much money for big by-elections, especially if Nigel or one of his close associates is the candidate. Money seemed no object in Bromley, 2006 or Sedgefield 2007. What is notable here is how expensive each UKIP vote seems to be. With the different parties’ expenses and votes available on various websites, analysis of UKIP’s performance against other small parties, notably comparing UKIP with the BNP in the Henley by-election, shows that they gain fair more votes per £100 spent than UKIP. UKIP spent £17.056 and received 843 votes. The BNP spent £4,744.06, less that 1/3 of UKIP’s budget, but polled 1,243 votes – over 40% more than UKIP.       

 

So this is why I left

 

A year ago, UKIP looked like it was doomed. Resignations of both ordinary members and high-profile people like Robin Page and Tim Congdon pointed to a party in terminal decline. Even in early 2009 with the European Parliamentary Election a few months away, UKIP’s standing was very low and most UKIP watchers were expecting the party to return 2 or 3 MEPs. A number of us were convinced that scandals, including some of a sexual and financial nature, were going to hit UKIP, focussed especially on Nigel Farage. Not wanting to see the BNP become the main beneficiaries, we set up UK First, trying to learn the lessons from UKIP’s mistakes. We always emphasised that we had nothing against the rank and file UKIP members, only Farage and his little clique. I still keep up with some members of my local branch, and was even rung up by another friend in the Wealden branch just before the leadership election asking for advice on who to vote for!

 

By the time Stuart Wheeler came to UKIP’s rescue, it was too late. We had to stand even though we had not seen the defections we had hoped for, although even in the final days before the election, I was convinced that some scandal was gong to break. Amazingly, even Farage’s admission to Dennis McShane that he claimed £2,000,000 in expenses failed to dent the UKIP vote.     

 An unexpected opportunity

 

The news that Farage was going to resign as leader came as a complete shock. I believe that this can offer one last chance to turn the party round and make it a real force in domestic politics. A strong, credible, well-led UKIP will either force Cameron to concede a referendum or else will be able to collect far larger numbers of Withdrawalist Tories, including MPs than has been the case thus far. I don’t personally mind if UKIP does end up being no more than a group that forces the Tories to take us out of the EU – as long as someone gets us out, I don’t care who.

 

I would re-join UKIP if I could be honourably reinstated by an honourable leadership. I never though I would be saying this, but there is a chance. However, I believe that if UKIP is to have a serious future, serious changes need to take place. Looking firstly at Brussels:-

 

1)      UKIP MEPs should not be part of a political group or any Pan-European party. Roger Knapman and Tom Wise proved that you do not need to be in a group to get decent allowances to employ staff and produce literature. While it is possible that some seats in 2014 may be reserved for Pan European parties, this is a smokescreen for getting more money. If UKIP does its stuff, we will not need to contest the 2014 elections – we could be a free country by then. UKJIP’s MEPs are elkected to do themselves out of a job. If the MEPs are non-attached, they can publish material saying UKIP rather than the name of the group.

2)      UKIP MEPs should not get involved in committees and should only go out to Brussels or Strasbourg when something of national importance is being debated. Withdrawing from a group mean they don’t have to go out in the group weeks either. The battle for independence  will be won or lost in the UK. That is where the MEPs should spend most of their time, even if it means less in expenses.

3)      Regional and Head Office staff must be paid not out of MEPs’ budgets. Quite apart from the fact that this policy is in blatant breach of EU rules and is likely to come back to haunt the 2004-9 MEPs, it has been one factor in giving the MEPs too much power over the party. I gather that shortly after the 2004 triumph, Nigel was asked about looking for supporters in the City for funds. Nigel turned this idea down, but it would have made regional staff more independent and less in the pockets of MEPs.

4)      MEPs can legitimately use staff for research, but as mentioned above, they have largely failed to do so. Although Lee Rotherham’s Ten Years On book is excellent, it is not the last word. A detailed study should be produced of what exactly would be involved in our actually leaving the EU – i.e. what we would have to change, what EU laws are sensible. The better the road map that can be produced, the more  easly the argument for withdrawal can be won.  

5)      Any MEP who will not produce a detailed summary of their expenses should be expelled from the party.

 

Secondly, turning to the rank and file party membership, they need to be trained to understand politics, and to be able to argue convincingly on domestic issues. A lot of the members I have met largely think intuitively on the right lines, but their thinking needs to be “joined up”. They need to be educated on why small government is a good thing, grammar schools are good, why we don’t need to raise taxes, the immorality of  “behavioural” taxes like green taxes, etc.

 

And the message about withdrawal needs to be presented in a more positive light. Rather than always saying “This bit of EU legislation is bad”, UKIP should be saying “Outside the EU , life would be so much better because of x,y, and z.” Lee Rotherham’s book hits the right note here.  

 

Just a few thoughts. I could go on, but this had better do for now.

John Petley,12th January 2010

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