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GP-NW: The Harrogate Agenda Feb-2015

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 14/02/2015

GP-NW: The Harrogate Agenda Feb-2015

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Guest Post – Niall Warry:
The Harrogate Agenda Feb-2015.

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I am republishing this on this web site as it is increasingly clear that Nigel Farage’s Ukip cult is seemingly bereft of vision, management, organisation, gravitas, intellect or even the most rudimentary of policies that are plausible, workable or retionally costed.Further let us remember that after 22 years of Ukip ‘claiming’ to wish to Leave_The_EU they still have absolutely zero ethical, honourable, workable and costed EU eXit & survival strategy and even less signs of a worked out schedule of tactics!

GP-NW: The Harrogate Agenda Feb-2015

Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins on 12/02/2015

Guest Post – Niall Warry:
The Harrogate Agenda Feb-2015.

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The Harrogate Agenda – progress report February 2015.

Thomas Pain believed many things and high on the list was that ‘The People’ must be sovereign and that revolutions have to be led by them. This is as true now as it was in the 1700s.

So The Harrogate Agenda needs a ‘People’s Revolution’ in order for its Six Demands, for the better governance of this country, to gain traction.  It will only be when our politicians feel the pressure from the grass roots that they will start to endorse, promote and eventually, as the pressure grows, enact them.

Fortunately many of the foundations are in place, for willing people to start the work of steadily spreading our message, including our pamphlet which clearly sets out our Six Demands, and appropriate supporting DVDs and film clips.  Importantly one of the clips includes the edited film of Richard North’s Flexcit presentation, which sets out the ‘How and Why’ we should leave the EU.  It is to date the only honourable and workable exit and survival plan form the EU yet produced.

The Harrogate Agenda has always recognised that our demands can never be implemented while we are members of the political EU while accepting we should remain, for some time yet, as members of the Single Market.  Flexcit, when published, will contain a chapter on The Harrogate Agenda highlighting its real value which is that on leaving the EU and restoring our self government we will then be in a position to improve and reform our governance in line with our six demands.

Understanding that it is the system that is broken, and that no amount of effort to reform the old parties or indeed invent new ones, is going to change a thing, is something that individuals need to work out for themselves.  Sadly the evidence is that it does take time for this particular penny to drop and even when it does the next hurdle to overcome is an understanding that political change, of the sort we are advocating, takes time and a different approach from anything thus far seen or experienced.

Shortly after producing our pamphlet, (there are still some from the initial stock available to purchase) I drafted a simple plan to carry our message to the public, which involved a few early key players running regional workshops from which we would recruit ‘Ambassadors’ who would in turn run other workshops, working to a set programme which is duplicable, thus enabling the rolling stone to slowly gather more and more moss.

In truth Ambassadors have been hard to find and this is dictating the rate of our progress.  In addition to this there is currently a delay as we await the results of the General Election, to see which way the political wind is blowing in respect of the vital issue of a potential EU referendum.  If a referendum is on the cards for 2017 then our workshops will lead on Flexcit backed up by THA as a key advantage to us leaving the political EU. If not, we will reverse the order. The presentations for our workshops have already been successfully trialled so all we need now is to continue the roll out.

If this e-mail prompts anyone to considering taking our message to the grass roots then please get in touch.  However, rest assured we are not going away and will continue to make steady progress on the journey we have embarked on.  It is just that with a little more help we could go just a little bit faster.  If you can lend some assistance we will be immensely grateful.

Niall Warry

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First Posted @ CLICK HERE.

Although The Harrogate Agenda is increasingly an integral part of The FleXcit document it still acts as a stand alone policy CLICK HERE

As FleXcit is very much a work in progress you may find it well worth trying to keep upto date with it as it both grows to cover ever more areas and is refined to ensure no areas of conflict or contradiction the 20th. rewrite was posted a few days ago see CLICK HERE
You may also find it of help to watch CLICK HERE

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Thoughts & Suggestions On Ukip & Tory Future

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/11/2014

Thoughts & Suggestions On Ukip & Tory Future
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Thoughts & Suggestions On Ukip’s & Tory#s Future in widespread circulation amongst branch leaders.

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for your information I have published below, without any editing or alteration a suggestion which is being widely circulated in Ukip at branch level.
It has, in my opinion, some merit but unfortunately I do not believe it is likely to go anywhere as it requires an element of surrender of personal greeds and ambitions that political aspirations are unlikely to accomodate.
That said it is pleasing to note that there are some outthere trying to improve or system of governance, though my support lies firmly with The Harrogate agenda and FleXcit.

Procedure By Which conservatives Could Control  Parliament

If Ukip is Lucky, Ukip could, perhaps, get five to ten seats in Parliament. Do not forget, the public still regards Ukip  as a one issue  party. To gain control of Parliament Ukip  and (and friends) should form a new conservative party with a platform that is close to that of the existing Conservative party, omitting, of course, policies that are objectionable to conservatives.

The purpose would be to make a bed that would be easy for conservatives to slide into, including the eighty  percent of the Conservatives who left Conservative  associations. Ukip and the conservatives should then  form a  political  association  in  each  parliamentary  district. Ukip could merge with the new party, thus getting rid of the one issue problem. 

Every one who would have worked to form the new, conservative, party should be prevented from joining the new party for a period of time to prevent the impression that Ukip controls it.

The two or three conservative parties should hold a primary election to determine who runs as the Parliamentary candidate, with the losers to help the winner. The cost of forming new associations can be raised by local contributors. It is suggested that the  new   conservative associations and the political party be controlled by the lowest level of conservatives, such as teachers, small businessmen, solicitors, professionals etc.

If the above procedure can not be completed in time to get candidates elected to Parliament, the new party must wait until after the  election  and  hold  a  petition demanding that the elected MP resign.

Note: an MP represents every person in his district, not just members and supporters of his party. When the petition reaches fifty percent of those who voted in the prior election, the conservatives will be morally justified in demanding their MP’s resignation. Then the new party could run their candidates in the following by elections. 

To select a candidate, a local  association should advertise for applicants or the position of candidate for  Parliament, then select the best applicant by using rigorous tests, including, most importantly, psychological
evaluation. psychological evaluation is an absolute necessity as the psychological evaluation is the only way to tell who is honest and who is a conartist; members of the public  cannot.

Testing could be required of the association officers, committee members and delegates, etc.

The platform, selected by new party associations, should be some what vague in order to facilitate integration  the platforms of the new associations into one platform. It is suggested that self forming cliques of those who are honest and trust worthy be formed; then form self forming cliques of those who have  political skills and capabilities,  within  the first described clique.

The Iron Law of Organisations states that “Unless specifically excluded, all organisations with power, audience or capital will be controlled, dominated, ruled or ruined by the following quad: opportunists, neurotics, the partisan and the hostile” achieving such through some of multiple dirty tricks developed through the centuries.

All political  parties are formed out of lobbying groups, the equivalent of think tanks, etc, going back  decades  before the party’s formation. Thus  everybody forming the party had a pretty good idea of the other formers’ character and could exclude  dangerous individuals who  might  destroy or  hinder  the  party.

Ukip is an exception to the rule. A bonanza suddenly appeared in form  of  opposition to The European Union and to immigration. Numerous opportunists jumped in to form Ukip; the first became the leadership and secured their power with their true character being known. Thus people with unknown personalities became leaders. Should Ukip gain control of  Parliament you can expect scandals with precedent.

In addition, Ukip has no expertise in anything except immigration.

I find the above suggestion rather clouded by a rather naive understanding of Ukip which over eggs their ability with comments like:
In addition, Ukip has no expertise in anything except immigration.
clearly Ukip, in the field of immigration, either has little knowledge of the facts pertaining to immigration or it does know and is misrepresenting the facts dishonestly for their own personal gain playing on the fear and ignorance of the public.
Ukip grossly oversimplifies the issues and tries to pretend that if we Leave_The_EU the problem would be solved when clearly, even with minimal understanding, the EU is in the same invidious position as Britain believes itself to be in – immigration is a global issue and a global problem as shown by the fact that Britain’s immigrant percentage is low relative to may of the EU’s other vassal regions and has the same level of immigrants as the USA but far less than Norway, Switzerland, Australia and even Germany.
It is this sort of sloppy and dishonest behaviour in Ukip with its leadership team publicly contradicting eachother on core policy and some of its overtly racist publications that ensures that in thwe long run they are going nowhere!
I believe it is optimistic of Ukip to believe they will have any MPs elected at the general election as they overlook the probability of a collapse of the party either in internal squabbles or in disgrace over its apparent industrial level corruption.
That is not to say they will be lucky and not be exposed in time for it to effect the outcome of the election but as one wit put it with Labour:
‘Vote Labour and get Milliband’!
One might consider
‘Vote Ukip and get inept corruption’.
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Looking At The Apparent Industrialisation Of Crime In Ukip

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/11/2014

Looking At The Apparent Industrialisation Of Crime In Ukip
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Looking At The Apparent Industrialisation Of Crime In Ukip, with a GUEST POST a few examples of the many and relevant links, substantive details and numerous reminders.

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The strange case of Jasna Badzak, Lee Jasper, Louise Mensch, UKIP and possible police corruption.

Jasna Badzak is a former UKIP press officer. She’s the last person who you’d expect would have anti-facist campaigners, MP’s, former colleagues of Ken Livingstone and people from the left and right coming out in defence of her.

Best to start at the beginning with Lee Jasper and this is from his blog explaining how he and Badzak first met.

Jasna Badzak is a former press officer for UKIP. She started work for Nigel Farage and Gerard Batten MEP in November 2010 and around a year ago; she was convicted of defrauding UKIP of some two thousand five hundred pounds in October 2013.  Around a year ago Jasna rang me seeking support for what she claimed, was a miscarriage of justice. I was intrigued and decided to meet Jasna.

 

It’s best to read Jasper’s first hand account of what he and Badzak were discussing as it’s quite complex, but the short version is that Badzak was convicted of fraud in October 2013 which was quite heavily covered in the right wing press. Badzak has claimed this was a miscarriage of justice which is where she contacts Jasper in order to get someone to hear her story which is she is the subject of a possible criminal conspiracy by members of the Metropolitan Police (who may have links to UKIP, the BNP and the EDL) and Gerard Batten, a UKIP MEP.

It’s fairly outlandish but I can understand why Badzak went to Jasper, than say, the likes of The Sun, as if she could get a left wing campaigner for equality to believe her, then she’d have an unlikely ally in taking on what at first seems like a fairly simple case of fraud, but when delved into deeper is much, much more worrying and affects freedom of speech for all of us.

If however she’s been framed because she was repulsed by Gerard Battens UKIPs Charter for Muslim Understanding, Dismantling Multiculturalism and that as claimed, she’s being targeted by officers in the Met with links to UKIP/EDL then that’s incredibly worrying. The allegations if the blog by Lee Jasper are extraordinary but this is only the start of it as the case has now been taken up by of all people, Louise Mensch who picked it up after Badzak was arrested for ReTweeting the Lee Jasper blog.

At this point it’s essential to read this blog from Mensch and take the implications of it in entirely. If this is true then not only has the Met lied to the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London, but is suppressing critics of UKIP and is acting on behalf of MEP’s to ensure that Badzak is silenced, and in terms of her fraud conviction, wrongfully have her convicted. Sadly, due to the fact that Badzak is a cardiac patient and is undergoing astonishing amounts of stress, she’s been left paralysed from the waist down thanks to this.

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What I find astonishing is that Badzak and her supporters (which I fully admit to being one of) aren’t being nicked for posting the Lee Jasper blog, or harassed by police because of posting the Mensch blog. It’s as far as I know, it’s just the woman who may have proof that would show what UKIP are which is very clearly a party of the far right using corrupt police officers to enforce what they want which is suppressing debate.

I find it extraordinary that journalists who monitor Louise Mensch’s Twitter feed for every single fuck up (and I’ve made my opinion on Mensch clear in the past) haven’t picked up what she’s been Tweeting about, especially as it relates to UKIP and the media love stories about UKIP. This however could be one which has massive implications about the party, who it has connections with on the far right and the police and how they’re conducting themselves. Either it’s a case where journalists aren’t interested (which would be astonishing) or there’s something else holding them back from even mentioning this story. Whatever the reason I find it suspicious there’s nothing in the press.

This is a constantly updating story so I suggesting following Jasna Badzak and Louise Mensch on Twitter to see where this goes because if true, then some Met Officers and a UKIP MEP should be the one feeling the stress, not Jadna Badzak.

UPDATE 9th November

Mensch has updated her blog today which can be read here but essentially she has screenshots which show that one of the Met Officers, a James Galvin, supports UKIP on his Facebook page which isn’t enough to show he’s in the pocket of UKIP MEP’s, but it’s certainly enough to show a probably conflict of interest that at the very least should result in a public inquiry.

Also, I’ve now had it made clear to me that the story was offered to Channel 4 News and  other media organisations but nobody bothered to touch it. Considering that an effigy of Alex Salmond being burned made headline news while this massive miscarriage of justice has been left to flounder online I can only think that there’s people who don’t want to dig into something which frankly, could well bring UKIP down as well as further expose the Met for being a corrupt force open to abuse by its officers.

I need to also bring to light an anonymous comment left on this blog and highlight the implications made in it.

The implications are as follows: UKIP seems to have infiltrated the police. Further still, specialist officers in the financial crimes, serious crime and anti-terror sections have been involved in framing Jasna Badzak. There are many others who claim to be harassed by these specialist and elite police units including hounding by the Air Support Unit and CID from the Homicide and Major Crimes directorate. Many of these individuals are professional people who have not been involved in any criminal activities what so ever. They are in the construction industry, unionists or simply are targeted over personal matters as with Ian Puddick.

http://www.theduckshoot.com/ian-puddick-and-police-corruption-debated-in-the-uk-parliament/

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ad1_1407946597&comments=1

 

The implication is that the Met are targeting people, including a number of activists, who they see as a ‘threat’ to whatever they’re trying to protect.Then I remembered this blog I stuck up back in May which mentions how a Green Party member by the name of Michael Abberton had a knock on the door for posting this image on his social media.

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In that case it was Cambridgeshire police but as much as I don’t like conspiracy theories or the nutters they attract, there’s something about all of what’s happening with UKIP and the police that screams of a genuine attempt to suppress debate and of course, the fact the party is now very firmly a far right party who clearly have authoritarian undertones.

In the case of Badzak, it seems that as Louise Mensch has said (and I find it astonishing I agree with her) that all of James Galvin’s convictions are unsafe, and that he should also be investigated for corruption which should include his links to UKIP and the far right. If the police have people working within it essentially working for the far right (which I include UKIP as firmly being of the far right) then it’s down to the Fourth Estate to pull their head out their arses and expose this because if it’s dismissed, or forgotten about there’s going to be irreparable damage to the joke that is democracy within the UK.

To view the original of this post CLICK HERE
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For more info. on this apparent abuse of public office by Gerard Batten and collusion with corrupt police officers and corrupted Judiciary CLICK HERE and HERE to start with.
We published our doubts about this case with extensive details at the time of Jasna Badzak’s original trial.
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We also published details of Ukip’s agents corrupt efforts to silence/bankrupt me by claiming over £100,000 for using a well circulated Ukip publicity photo of Nigel Farage standing in a large puddle at a building site which they tried to pass of as a fishing photo:
FARAGE, Nigel awash 01 publicity pic co CROUCHERLooks all too like a display of the degree of corruption in Ukip.
The Courts found in my favour and ordered Ukip’s agent to pay my costs. To date Ukip have shown nothing but contempt for British justice defaulting on payment of around £13,500 + years of interest!
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It was also myself that exposed the embezzeling of public funds by Tom Wise on my web site. We now know that Tom Wise assisted Nigel Farage by giving him £Thousands, which he KNEW was part of the fraudellently obtained money – was this why Farage NEVER threw Tom Wise out of Ukip?
It was my blog and postings on the corrupt Anthony Butcher’s forum which repeatedly published details of Tom Wise and Ukip’s corruption that eventually ensured Wise was sentenced to 2 years in jail!
DENNY, Douglas 03
It has been this blog that has publicly kept alive the desire for open transparency over the Ukip corrupt Ashford scam and exposed the dishonesty and corrupting of Ukip internal elections for Farage by Douglas Denny.
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It was this blog that exposed the corruption of Ukip MEP Derek Clark which eventually led to him having to refund somewhere between £30 & 100,000 of tax payers money he had missapropriated. It is understood the only reason he was never prosecuted was bnecause of his advanced years!
HOLDSWORTH, Petrina 01It was also my blogs which brought you the lies and deceit of Roger Knappman and the obscenities of Nattrass and corrupt bullying by others that led to the resignation of the tyhen chairman of Ukip Petrina Holdsworth.
It was this blog which first published the fact that Nigel Farage had lied on media to get elected and had broken his promise by employing his wife doing very little for £30Kpa.
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It was this blog that published the fact that Nigel Farage had set up a tax dodging Isle of Man bank account and also gave details of his undeclared income relative to the Electoral Commission some £200,000 in donations from the owners of his constituency office.
It was also my blog which published that the £11,000 unlawfully claimed from the EU and allegedly paid to The Metric Martyrs vanished on route, as they never received a penny of it from Ukip.
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There was also the report of the Ukip Returning Officer in their candidate selection process a Barrister and former Tory MP, which exposed the corruption of the process and the dishonesty of a fellow former Tory MP’s involvement in the scam, which were exposed on my blog CLICK HERE
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ALL of these items appeared on this blog and others I control long before they were ever made public in the Legacy Media.
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Do not forget it was this blog that published the lies of Annabelle Fuller and her theft of confidential data pertaining to John West which she published on You Tube and details of the collusion with Nigel Farage4 to stay on his payroll which has been achieved to date regardless of the pretence and subterfuge Nigel Farage has been involved in to achieve it.
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You may recall Ukip’s then chairman John Wittaker MEP who resigned in disgust over Nigel Farage’s corrupt behaviour!
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It was also this blog which published the fact that Annabelle Fuller had stolen Andrew Bridgen’s Blackberry phone device, House of Commons Pass and correspondence whilst at his flat in the early hours with his political advisor – we also published tyhe fact that she had twice phoned Nigel Farage from the flat at the time!
Despite these facts being reported to the police at the time it would seem there was a cover up of Ukip’s invbolvement in Annabelle Fuller’s criminality due to repeated embarrassment of the police eventually
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(too late to save Andrew Bridgen’s marriage) instigated an enquiry only about a month ago see CLICK HERE and then ask yourself just how long it takes the police to investigate the theft of a Blackberry, a House of Commons Pass and correspondence, which not only has been admitted by the thief but since it was theft from an MP was clearly a Security Issue
Clearly it is legitimate to ask ‘Are the police still acting to cover up the crimes for Ukip whilst seemingly fabricating cases for Ukip’?.
It would seem Ukip has privileged links with various Police Officers and have corrupted the judicial system on more than one occasion. Last week we noted that Police Officers were destroying evidence which may well have proved damaging to their various cases on behalf of Ukip, Gerard Batten and possibly others.
The similarities involved in these cases, including the involvement of Simon Orme from the CPS and various police officers named on this blog site with what seems to be a ‘fit up’ case being brought against the then Ukip MEP Nikki Sinclaire,
who fell out with Ukip over their racist, anti homosexual, anti Jewish low life associates in the EFD Group.
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Clearly the claimed case against Nikki Sinclaire which so closely follows the case brought against Ukip as to obviously be unsound – not least in the fact that it has taken over 2 years of police harrassment and public villification of Nikki Sinclaire to even bring this febrile stack of nonsense to Court – clearly costing her the possibility of re-election and together with
PEARSON, Lord Malcolm of Rannock 16 & Pamela
the lies of the utterly corrupt extremist Zionist racist Lord Pearson of Rannock’s lies about her has made her position untenable.
A clear case of justice delayed is justice denied.
Like so much else related to the dealings of the Ukip leadership clique aided by their nere do well claque this is deeply unreliable and would seem to be a very clear case of corruption of justice in collusion with other public servants.
I believe that there is more than enough evidence in the public domain and readily available to call for an enquiry into the ethics of Ukip and consider as unsound various, if not all cases, involving those officers who have seemingly colluded with Ukip. If they have been willing to ‘sit on’ some cases, ‘cover-up’ others and pursue seemingly fabricated cases then they are clearly unfit and ALL their work must be considered suspect.
An investigation of the ‘establishment’ by the ‘establishment’ is clearly no more fit for purpose than Ukip as representatives of British values nor the Police of Police corruption!
Ukip has made much of being different from other politicians and parties and it seems they surely are – they would seem to have industrialised corruption. Perhaps it is time for a complete change in the style of British politics so let us change by having an independent and trustworthy enquiry – unlike such stitch ups as Chilcott and Leverson’s various stunningly inept reports (deliberate?) – or the mealie mouthed efforts to sweep the various paedophile reports back under the carpet!
It is time for A Royal Commission on Police, Policing and the Justice System which so readily abuses its position of trust with utilising false laws just ‘Because they can’.
Also we should strive to restructure our system of Governance along the lines of ‘The Harrogate Agenda‘ once we have implemented ‘FleXcit‘ to Leave_The_EU, minded of ‘The House of Commons document‘.
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UKIP vs EUkip – FlexCit offers the UK an EU Exit and Survival strategy

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/06/2014

UKIP vs EUkip – FlexCit offers the UK an EU Exit and Survival strategy

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UKIP vs EUkip – FlexCit offers the UK an EU Exit and Survival strategy.
Original Detail in context can be found at:
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UKIP vs EUkip – FleXcit offers the UK an EU Exit and Survival strategy.

I make no apology for the length of this post as it is aimed for those who are seriously interested in leaving the EU and realise the need for a workable and ethical eXit and Survival strategy.
I believe the time is now right, with the passing of the Euro Elections, to refocus this thread, by adding to the title, to thus change the emphasis from the exploits of Nigel’s EUkip to the challenge of getting UKIP and others to adopt a workable eXit and Survival Strategy.

My thanks to the moderators for facilitating this.

The reason for adding to the original title instead of a starting a new thread is to keep the post’s history, context and development as we refocus on the ‘HOW’ best we will actually be able to leave the EU without which I maintain we will never win the battle to leave the EU.

The important consideration now is to win any In/Out referendum ‘if’ and ‘when’ held and not forgetting the all important task of ensuring the outcome, assuming we win, is binding.

Currently I believe the only VIABLE ‘eXit and Survival Plan’ in the public domain is FleXcit as written by Dr Richard North, with contributions from many of those who read his blog EU Referendum blog. Even a recent review of the six finalists in the IEA’s BreXit competition acknowledged that they did NOT provide the definitive solution and another may well be needed.

What is abundantly clear is that without the ‘Outers’ mustering behind a WORKABLE plan the field will be left open to the Establishment and Europhiles to use Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) to maintain the status quo. The history of the 1975 referendum proves this point extensively and I highly recommend the well researched and authoritive book on the subject by two fellows of Nuffield College Oxford, David Butler and Uwe Kitzinger unsurprisingly called, ‘The 1975 Referendum’!

This thread was of course started on the 27th February 2011 with the intent of pointing out the differences between where UKIP should be heading and where I and others felt Nigel Farage was leading the party which, to differentiate, I called EUKip. As I asked within days of starting the thread ‘What is UKIP for’?

Despite the new title to this thread, it is still my contention, supported by many others who can see beyond his anti EU rhetoric, that Nigel’s EUkip is not fit for the purpose of helping navigate the UK safely out of the EU. In 21 years EUkip has NEVER put forward an ’eXit & Survival Strategy’ in support of their claim to be seeking an amicable divorce form the EU. Claiming you want something is the easy part but tackling the how and having the power to implement your plans is of course an entirely separate matters both of which Nigel’s EUkip doesn’t come close to – in terms of gravitas, competence or ability –  as proved over the last 21 years.

Since the beginning of this thread I have learned a great deal and been able to hone my arguments over the whole EU debate and after a few faltering early comments and remarks, which I have acknowledged, my aim has been to see UKIP reformed but not destroyed. I have tried endlessly to explain and persuade others that UKIP will never be reformed under Nigel Farage’s divisive cult style leadership and as the apparent Eurosceptic brand leader we need UKIP to appeal beyond its relatively small core vote, shown recently to be a mere 9% of the electorate, to over 50% of the electorate, a level of support obviously needed to win that referendum when called.

Another point I have brought up over and over again is that Nigel Farage has never invested the intellectual effort and time to produce an eXit and Survival plan preferring to concentrate his efforts to achieve electoral success at the Euro and General Elections. However as I have also frequently pointed out UKIP MEPs are about as much good as an ashtray on a motorbike and Nigel’s plans, to concentrate on elections, currently shows no signs of getting an MP to Westminster, especially after the Newark result where they could not have been better placed to win. They were still on the crest of the wave, after their success at the Euro elections, the candidate was the ex-Tory Roger Helmer who was well known in the area, Cameron’s Tories are unpopular with many core Conservatives and finally the out going MP Patrick Mercer was exposed for corruption.

Despite all these factors in UKIP’s favour the Tories won handsomely with 17,431 to UKIP’s 10,020. By any serious analysis this result bodes ill for any prospect UKIP has of gaining a single MP let alone a workable number at the 2015 General Election.

As I have often said Nigel and his cabal have all gone native in Brussels and his latest ‘freebie’ escapade in Malta before the Newark bye election provides all the evidence you need that he always puts his own self interests above those of HIS party.

So how can FleXcit help us leave the EU and what does it advocate?

The FleXcit paper, which I recommend is the sort of document you need to read several times to really start to understand it, is due to be published in the Autumn but you can still read the latest version as it is developed at :-
http://www.flexcit.org/

In summary the plan, which is a play on the words FleXible, eXit and Continuous Development, is just that a FleXible and Continuous Plan to help us Exit safely from the EU, after 40 years of integration, whilst upholding all our international treaty obligations which we are legally and morally obliged to honour, under the terms of the Vienna Treaty on International Treaties. This will allow us once again to gradually take our own seat at the global top table rather than, as we currently are, being represented by an unelected EU official. As we negotiate ourselves out of the EU we will be free to act directly, on the world stage, for our own interests, unfettered by membership of the EU. It is a given, as advocated by any serious commentator and even the recent IEA Brexit competition, that the start point for beginning the process of Britain’s withdrawal from the EU will result from us implementing Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

The absolutely vital fact to grasp is that FleXcit advances a flexible continuous process that will crucially neutralise the Establishment’s use of FUD and their promotion of the false safety of remaining with the status quo, which can be seen, has not been successful especially in the EU! In the initial stages this is what has become known as the Norway Option, involving joining EFTA to retain our membership of the EEA, but it is only the start of the flexible and continuous process we will be on until we regain our complete independence from the EU. FlexCit will help fight classic FUD like the scare that ‘3 million jobs will be lost if we leave the EU’, which is simply NOT the case as we have no intention of leaving the Single Market (SM) made up of 28 countries until, further down the line, something better can be negotiated between the other 22 countries in Europe that are not members of the EU’s SM.

So FleXcit is a multi layer solution where the Norway Option is only an interim step along the way to establishing something much larger which will be achieved via the eight point plan explained in it.

Interestingly there is no strong economic case that can be made for leaving the EU and we will always struggle to argue for withdrawal on those grounds just as conversely there is equally no economic case for staying in the EU. However there are strong democratic and humanitarian reasons for leaving the EU related to the advantages of Self Determination and taking back control of our own destiny from undemocratic and unrepresentative Euro politicians and the unelected bureaucrats and of course, as already mentioned, the benefits of representing our own self interests on the world stage.

It is after leaving the EU that we would be free to concentrate on pushing forward with the introduction of The Harrogate Agenda’s (THA) six demands, which are based on the principles of Direct Democracy, as while leaving the undemocratic EU is a start we would still be faced by a corrupted and undemocratic Westminster. THA aims to give ‘Real Power to the People’.

Having left the EU an integral part of the FleXcit plan is the realisation that the democracy at Westminster must not only be greater and more responsible but more closely responsive to the peoples of Britain, to avoid them ever again being duped, as they were over the Common Market, by the MPs they have elected to serve them. Our political elite are increasingly a law unto themselves and only by the people being recognised as sovereign over our Parliament will things change. As a reminder THA’s six demands are:-

1. Recognition of our sovereignty:
The peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland comprise the ultimate authority of their nations and are the source of all political power. That fact shall be recognised by the Crown and the Governments of our nations, and our Parliaments and Assemblies;
2. Real local democracy:
The foundation of our democracy shall be the counties (or other local units as may be defined), which shall become constitutional bodies exercising under the control of their peoples all powers of legislation, taxation and administration not specifically granted by the people to the national government;
3. Separation of powers:
The executive shall be separated from the legislature. To that effect, prime ministers shall be elected by popular vote; they shall appoint their own ministers, with the approval of parliament, to assist in the exercise of such powers as may be granted to them by the sovereign people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; no prime ministers or their ministers shall be members of parliament or any legislative assembly;
4. The people’s consent:
No law, treaty or government decision shall take effect without the consent of the majority of the people, by positive vote if so demanded, and that none shall continue to have effect when that consent is withdrawn by the majority of the people;
5. No taxation or spending without consent:
No tax, charge or levy shall be imposed, nor any public spending authorised, nor any sum borrowed by any national or local government except with the express approval the majority of the people, renewed annually on presentation of a budget which shall first have been approved by their respective legislatures;
6. A constitutional convention:
Parliament, once members of the executive are excluded, must host a constitutional convention to draw up a definitive codified constitution for the peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. It shall recognise their sovereign status and their inherent, inalienable rights and which shall be subject to their approval.

For more on THA see:

http://HarrogateAgenda.org.uk

I still believe it will be important, in this thread, to continue to link to what others are saying about UKIP, as I originally set out to do, and generally comment on such links while adding my own thoughts as necessary and applicable. This of course helps to expose the incompetence at the heart of Nigel’s EUkip and of some of his supporters as demonstrated on this forum.

So by adding to my original aim, of highlighting EUkip’s need to reform, I will now use this thread to seek to explain the importance to UKIP of the FleXcit plan as currently the only workable and honourable ‘eXit and Survival plan’ from the EU which helps neutralise the Establishments use of FUD and will thus help us to win the referendum.

That UKIP members and branches still potentially have some clout, with their county coverage, is not in doubt but they will need to start to think for themselves and therefore must look beyond Nigel Farage and his cabal’s poor leadership and to push and promote the FlexCit plan. Nigel’s current focus on anti EU rhetoric and attempts to win seats next year will NOT on its own help us to win the all important referendum. I don’t hold out much hope that Nigel is capable of changing his ways and the behaviour and quality of output of his 24 MEPs will, in a relatively short time, give us all the evidence we need to see if they are really serious about wanting to leave the EU.

I hope you will join constructively in this new phase of this thread, working to assist in supporting and improving the FleXcit plan, in the spirit of continuous development, between now and the referendum ‘if’ and ‘when’ held. Also I hope you will do all you can to spread the word that the FleXcit plan helps counter the Establishments use of FUD to maintain the status quo by answering the all important question as to ‘HOW’ we can safely leave the EU. This is a plan that does NOT get in the way of party allegiances and so should provide no barrier to any real ’Outer’ supporting it.

Don’t forget that no political party is permitted to lead on either the Yes or the No side in any referendum so those who are really serious about seeking a safe and honourable exit from the EU should be able to gather around this plan.

So FleXcit it has to be if UKIP or anyone else for that matter really wants to win the battle to successfully leave the EU.

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Greg_L-W..

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UKIP Leadership & Members Have Much To Learn

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/12/2013

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UKIP Leadership & Members Have Much To Learn which could give them ideas for an ‘Exit & Survival Strategy’!!

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 Peter Troy, the Harrogate Agenda and a special film event

 

 

The video maker Peter Troy has teamed up with the Harrogate Agenda to produce a film on “The Norway Option”. We are delighted to announce a special screening of this film at the Barley Mow pub in Westminster at 6pm on Wednesday 22nd January 2014. 

 

You can view the trailer for the film here

 

To reserve your place at the event, follow the link below: 

 

http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/why-the-norway-option-by-peter-troy-tickets-9905040242?aff=eorg  

For more about the plight of Britain –

There are ways to improve our situation, which in my opinion includes serious and basic change in the style of our Governance returning democratic authority to our peoples to manage our country from the bottom up as we call our politicians, who seem ever lower grade year on year, to account – may I suggest The Harrogate Agenda as a serious consideration in this direction

SEE: CLICK HERE and HERE

It is worth considering the advantageous position of Norway relative to The EU, relative to Britain’s as a vassal state accepting the EU’s imposed interpretation of the globalist international laws and agreements they pass on without Britain having any meaningful democratic input SEE:
CLICK HERE

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Improving on an Arab Perspective for Farage’s UKIP Cult

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/12/2013

Improving on an Arab Perspective for Farage’s UKIP Cult
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Improving on an Arab Perspective to Leave-The-EU for Nigel Farage’s UKIP Cult!!

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Hi,

I do feel you may find this an interesting ‘take’ by Arab News.

I can not say I agree with it in totality but there is a depressing resonance!

 

UK in search of its own Mandela

Neil Berry

Published — Wednesday 18 December 2013

Last update 18 December 2013 1:21 am

Much has been said about the “statesmanship” of Nelson Mandela. It is a word few would dream of applying to the narcissistic western politicians who appeared so grotesquely eager not just to attend but to be seen to be attending the late South African leader’s funeral.
Nowhere perhaps is there a sorrier sense than in the United Kingdom that this is an age of political dwarfs pathetically unequal to the towering challenges of the day. At Christmas 2013, the UK is a land more riven by inequality than at any period in modern times, with a shaming upsurge of poverty and homelessness that, coupled with invidious “reforms” of its welfare system, is tearing at the social fabric. Yet in Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, British people possess a shallow leader who often seems less concerned to address the plight of the disadvantaged than to signal his affiliation to Britain’s celebrity culture.
With no particle of statesmanship in their make-up, Cameron and his cabinet routinely conduct government on the basis of diversionary tactics and outright fabrication. Cameron’s self-satisfied colleague, Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne, boasts that Britain is enjoying the fastest growth of any advanced country; he exults that the economic damage done by the previous Labor government is being reversed thanks to his unswerving commitment to fiscal austerity. Yet almost certainly the main cause for Britain’s recent growth is that the chancellor has stimulated a boom in the housing market with a government-backed “help-to-buy scheme,” which has precipitated a spurt of consumer spending. Not a few independent analysts believe that Osborne’s “recovery” is founded on little more than the resumption of the reckless lending that plunged the British economy into crisis in the first place.
In truth, the boom in the housing market is largely confined to the south east of England. On top of this, first-time buyers in London whom the government purports to wish to help are being priced out of the market by overseas investors who are amassing property holdings in the British capital on an unprecedented scale. The deepening housing crisis is bound up with the gung-ho commitment of successive British governments to the free market. It is decades since Britain had what could be properly called a national housing policy. While London property values have been allowed to shoot up to ever- dizzier heights there has been little more than a token effort to build the 300,000 new homes per annum the country needs. The housing shortfall has become all the more severe because Britain has received 4 million immigrants during the past 15 years and because, in addition to a property market boom, it is now also experiencing an enormous baby boom, much of it comprising children born to immigrant parents.
These fears are more than usually acute at present, with Britain, under EU free movement of labor legislation, facing an influx of imponderable numbers of Romanians and Bulgarians in 2014. Cameron is especially mindful of the issue because the hard-right United Kingdom Independence Party led by the smart populist politician, Nigel Farage, is proving hugely attractive to disillusioned Conservative Party supporters who warm to Farage’s determination to press the government to hold an early “in/out” referendum on British membership of the EU.
Following the 2015 UK General Election, a Cameron-led government or a successor government will almost certainly be obliged to vouchsafe a referendum on Europe. A referendum on whether the people of Scotland wish to remain part of the UK will in any event take place in September 2014 — one in no small measure inspired by furious resentment in the northern part of the UK at being ruled by a high-handed London political establishment. It is even possible that before long the UK will not just cease to be part of Europe but also break up internally, with its core nation, England, reduced to being the biggest part of a political entity otherwise composed of Wales and Northern Ireland.
It is ironic that pro-EU British politicians in the 1960s believed that entry into Europe would stop their nation from drifting into peevish, self-defeating insularity as it parted company with the worldwide empire over which it had long presided. In many ways, Britain’s involvement with Europe has had precisely the unhappy effect such politicians were anxious to avert. Still, many young men and women are far from sharing the xenophobic mentality of older Britons obsessed by the Second World War and paranoid that Germany might once again seek to subjugate the rest of Europe.
Maybe its recent settlers will one day shake the UK out of the poisonous cynicism and negativity that is engulfing it. It is from among them if anywhere that there might yet emerge the fresh intelligence and imagination that its present political culture so abysmally lacks.

See: http://www.arabnews.com/news/494536

There are ways to improve our situation which in my opinion includes serious and basic change in the style of our Governance returning democratic authority to our peoples to manage our country from the bottom up as we call our politicians, who seem ever low grade year on year, to account – may I suggest The Harrogate Agenda as a serious consideration in this direction
SEE: CLICK HERE and HERE

It is worth considering the advantageous position of Norway relative to The EU relative to Britain’s as a vassal state accepting the EU’s imposed interpretation of the globalist international laws and agreements they pass on without Britain having any meaningful democratic input SEE:
CLICK HERE

Regards,

Greg_L-W.

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UKIP Election Results Catastrophic – Independents 12 : UKIP 0

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/11/2012

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UKIP Election Results in PCC Debacle AND by elections of 15-Nov-2012 were undeniably Catastrophic – Even Independents gained 12 seats whilst UKIP lived down to pragmatic expectaion and scored ZERO losing the majority of their 44 deposits!

A cruel blow for those who have been so unprofessionally misled by the self serving Farage cult, unaware of the damage they do to the credibility of EUroScepticism!!

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by way of reflection on the catasrophic UKIP results in the various elections held on Thursday 15-Nov-2012 you may find this comment posted on Dr. Eric Edmond’s blog of interest:
for those of us supporting the core principles of UKIP we were again let down by unprofessional leadership, incompetent planning, undemocratic selection of candidates & the normal crass stupidity.

In Corby the result was a risible 14% getting nowhere near being elected despite all the money spent and the idiotic over egging of expectations.

Just how did UKIP think they would get a candidate elected when foisting on the electorate who only vote UKIP as a dustbin for their protest votes and a few willing to hold their noses as they vote to Leave-The-EU.

Just how were they likely to gain votes with an EU lobbyist lately from another party who quite clearly is a political prostitute seeking a way onto the gravy train by raising her profile to be an acceptable Farage placement on the MEP candidate list in 18 months time.

Farage’s placements to be announced at the last minute to ensure democratic choice of members can’t creep in!

Similarly we note Godfrey Blooms wife’s sometime business partner Jane Collins peddling that historic picture of herself (a stunt best known in UKIP as having been used by Janet Girsman and copied by Marion Mason – Derek Clark also uses a similar stunt by using a picture in which he is awake!)

UKIP’s results in the PCC farce were even worse!

Out of 193 candidates for 41 places of over paid & irrelevant party hacks the people spoke loud and clear!

The turnout was the people speaking louder than ever since WWII with 84% totally rejecting the concept of PCCs – Politicians said PCCs would be the voice of the people and what a shock when they heard that voice!

UKIP did particularly badly with not a single candidate rising above the voter rejection in an election where there was every hope they might do well but they failed to field a single solitary credible candidate.

In an election where exposure would seem to have been the key one would have expected Godfrey Bloom to do better than being beaten into 4th. place as I would hazard a guess he has exposed himself more than most – even being banned from hotel chains for exposing himself to urinate in plant pots and arrested for exposing himself copulating with a black prostitute on the bonnet of a car on the public highway we are informed!

A few of us were attacked and ridiculed for our belief that Independent candidates were the future when we set up ‘Independent Leave-The-EU Alliance’ – though clearly we were ahead of our time and under funded our point is made.

In the PCC elections the score was, out of 41, Independents 12 UKIP ZERO.

The abject failure of leadership, risible lack of professionalism, odious corruption and endless pandering to cronies and squabbling with the racist and anti homosexual stance that has led to so much in fighting and back stabbing UKIP has totally let down its core electors and has very clearly failed as a concept.

20 years and they have achieved so very little with less than 30 elected seats of ANY note out of the 19,500 seats available by election!

UKIP keeps making complete fools of themselves with its blow hard clowns pronouncing how well they will do (we heard it in the last election, Barnsley, Corby, PCC, Buckingham elections etc. etc.)

UKIP even make the risible claim they ARE the 3rd. party in British politics when councillors & overseas seats included they have ZERO MPs and less than 30 total whilst even the increasingly unpopular and utterly odious LibDims have over 50 MPs – Whast planet do UKIP leadership live on or are they always drunk!

I know Farage especially employs fools to make him look competent and to praise him but surely he can not believe the drivel he has paid these low grade ingrates to feed him! Next he will have Praise Singers and Jesters (woops I forgot Annabelle Fuller, Mark Croucher, Gawain Towler, Gerard Batten, Derek Clark, Michael Heaver, Douglas Denny, Mick McGough etc. all queued up in their chicken costumes with their inflatable bulldozers and museum military toys, all willing to lie, defame, cheat and dissemble to enhance their rewards!)

Yes Farage as leader of the cult was quite good on Question Time having had 20 years practice as UKIP’s sole spokesman – though clearly he & his hirelings have failed to convince, even when they tell the truth, being slapped down with ease when pointing out that when the EU makes over 75% of our laws & has a bigger bureaucracy than China clearly they ARE responsible for the ills of this country and much else beyond our borders.

UKIP as a Farage cult have proved beyond all doubt the British public don’t trust them with their vote.

I remind you when even the Greens have an MP and the treacherous LibDims have some 50 UKIP has ZERO.

Do not forget in the PCC election UKIP ZERO Independents 12.

Do remember that out of 19,500 seats available by election UKIP after 20 years of utterly incompetent leadership and crass unprofessionalism has failed to get 30 seats of any meaning.

UKIP have become also rans competing with other non entities amongst which are Greens, LibDims, Robin Tilbrook, Plaid and the BNP!

The betrayal by UKIP has been near total! A fact I greatly regret as had they been competent, honest and professionalised they just might have been leading us out of the EU by now – sadly there is no hope of them having a place of any note when we Leave-The-EU with UKIP running along behind desperately trying to jump on the band wagon.

Clearly there are merits to the concept of Independent candidates and IF democracy is to survive, and I dearly hope it does in some form representing people’s wishes and not just politicians ambitions, Independents will and must inevitably rise.

With greater ability for electronic participation the arcane concept of a clique of self serving political party hacks gathering in some foetid chamber are all but over.

With video linking, video conferencing and the added advantage of electronic briefing papers a far greater number of participants and scrutiny can take place and more detailed and immediate voting.

The days of a self serving political elite being free to travel and milk their expenses and libidos in distant cities are near over!

Independents with rated input will present the outlines, facts, details and summaries for debate amongst Independent participants for eventual mass voting.

 

The political parties of today and yesteryear will be no more than a smudge in history books noted for the arcane and unpleasant manner of their life styles and their corruption.

There will be no Tory or Labour Party and LibDims will be long gone (following their present trend) where UKIP never arrived and the odious nature of the lies and distortions of Greens, SNP, Plaid and socialism with its State Broadcasting for perceived central propaganda – ALL swept away.

I am proud that with Niall Warry, Peter Underwood and the support of others I was in the vanguard of the Independent movement which is starting to emerge – I am only sad that some of the hard working supporters of UKIP lacked the foresight and courage to join with us to Leave-The-EU and were too bound up in the unarguably corrupt and unprofessional Farage cult of yesteryear and that so much energy has been wasted supporting the careers of the self serving political elite.

 

Energy that could have been put into building a better tomorrow.

Energy that is being well used by such as Team Sinclair of ‘We Demand A Referendum Party’ and Dr. Richard North, Niall Warry and their Harrogate Agenda movement which meets again in Leamington today – would that I had the health to attend but unfortunately a spin off of the massive treatments and cancer I have had over the last 14+years is insomnia and a tendency to narcolepsy making travel non viable!

I am however only too happy to debate the issues with anyone who cares to and present the issues at any meeting within about a 30 > 40 mile radius of home!

I am also happy to put my case and defend my opinions and statements which would help to add to the assurance that my blogs are open to comment and founded on clear efforts to ensure accuracy and honesty see CLICK HERE

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Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/09/2012

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Harrogate agenda – Update 25-Sep-2012

The DEMANDS!

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I believe that The Harrogate Agenda is a very positive way forward though I do appreciate that it may take a long time to educate the self serving politicians to the FACT that they do actually work for us and as our servants are answerable to us.

Surely they must realise that if they continue to bombastically hold the electorate in contempt as ‘The Plebs’ they are likely to go the same way as so many self important stuffed shirts in the past – The true mark of a Partrician is to ensure those they employ and work for do not feel distanced and demeaned.

Failure to understand the role of leadership and the need to act FOR those one leads, particularly when appointed by them is, as history has shown us, all too often a fatal mistake.

That our public servants, both elected as politicians and appointed as civil servants should consider the outcome of ignoring the electorate and holding them in contempt – the precedents are clear from Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu, to Caesar, Sadam Hussein to Charles I, or Russia’s Czars to Hosni Mubarak, the outcome is all too predictable!

Clearly as soumnd move forward is to campaign as a movement even accepting the tennets of electoral law that insist in your being called a ‘Party’ and capitalise on the crumbs offered by the state, as with free distribution of electoral leaflets, free publicity by airtime with an electoral broadcast etc. etc. and then to vigerously campaign on a cross party basis for:

1. a Royal Commission to establish the cost benefits of In AND Out of The EU.
2. to utilise The Royal Commission details to formulate a sound ‘Exit and Survival Strategy’ to maximise on the benefits of leaving The EU and minimise the dangers and costs.
3. To ensure that to avoid the damage that would be caused by senseless and ignorant confrontation be certain to avoid confrontation by abiding by The Treaty of Vienna and ensuring the EU Constitution is set aside constitutionally by implementing of Article 50 etc.
4. to hold a Referendum on the simple issue of IN or OUT of the EU as members and ensure that the referendum if fair, free, and independent of outside (EU) influence or funding, is held on an informed basis with equal media time and weighting.

These measures do not conflict with The Harrogate Agenda, which becomes ever more important, to ensure that when the people vote, if they vote to Leave-The-EU, as polls indicate they would, the political system is sufficiently altered and robust as to ensure the new incumbents, of government as our servants, do not make all the same errors of judgement and self serving efforts to enrich and empower themselves, yet again!

Harrogate Agenda: definitive text

 Tuesday 25 September 2012

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At the planning meeting at the Old Cock Inn, the group decided on the wording of the six demands which should go forward to our autumn meeting for approval. This text is now available and is as follows:

1. the people are sovereign: the sovereignty of the peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland shall be recognised by the Crown and the government of our nations. The people in their collective form, by giving their consent, comprise the ultimate authority of their nations and the source of all political power;

2. local democracy: the foundation of our democracy shall be the counties (or other local units as may be defined), which shall become constitutional bodies exercising under the control of their peoples all powers of legislation, taxation and administration not specifically granted by the people to the national government;

3.elected prime ministers: to enable separation of power, prime ministers shall be elected by popular vote; they shall appoint their own ministers, with the approval of parliament, to assist in the exercise of such powers as may be granted to them by the sovereign people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; no prime ministers or their ministers shall be members of parliament or any legislative assembly;

4. all legislation subject to consent: no legislation or treaty shall take effect without the direct consent of the majority of the people, by positive vote if so demanded, and that no legislation or treaty shall continue to have effect when that consent is withdrawn by the majority of the people;

5. no taxes or spending without consent: no tax, charge or levy shall be imposed, nor any public spending authorised, nor any sum borrowed by any national or local government except with the express permission of the majority of the people, renewed annually on presentation of a properly authenticated budget which shall first have been approved by their respective legislatures;

6. a constitutional convention: Parliament, once members of the executive are excluded, convenes a constitutional convention to draw up a definitive codified constitution for the people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, which shall recognise their sovereign status and their inherent, inalienable rights and which shall be subject to their approval.

Readers will see, by comparison with the earlier draft, that the differences are very slight, but important. 

If the autumn meeting approves this text, we will then be able to chart a way forward, to gain wider recognition for our Agenda.  Just to have framed and agreed our six demands by then, however, will have been a significant achievement, of which those who participated in the process can feel justly proud. 

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Richard North 25/09/2012

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Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU

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Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU
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Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU!

In the form of an open letter related to Leave-The-EU & debate of A Harrogate Agenda!

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as Dr. Richard North knows better than most: UKIP have absolutely no intellectual bottom!

UKIP in 20 years has NEVER had any kind of training program and is endlessly reactive with clearly no vision, no sign of Strategy EVER and notably no tactics.

One only needs to note the racist, xenophobic, criminal, anti Jewish, anti Islamic, anti homosexual links and track record of UKIP to realise they currently offer no part of the solution and have largely befouled and discreditted the EUroSceptic movement – is it any wonder that in terms of British politics UKIP have been a spectacular failure with under 30 people elected to any office of note out of some 19,500 available seats!

It really doesn’t matter what the polls say when very clearly the Ballot Boxes in real elections averages out between 3 > 6% – This places UKIP no closer to a say of ANY consequence at Westminster tyhan in 1993 when alan Sked founded the party.

Subsequent to getting 12 people on the gravy train in 2004 it is hard to identify a single solitary example of an achievement of any note towards the aim of Leave-The-EU – Just what is UKIP for? Beyond of course a small clique’s enrichment and a route to the gravy train for a small claque!

It is all very well for a few elderly men to hang onto their ill informed beliefs and the concept that EUroScepticism is some sort of hobby for their dotage!

The attacks and abuse from UKIP that is poured on the heads of anyone who dares to rattle their grubby little scams is legendary.

Yet again Richard and others have fallen foul of the thought police in UKIP who in their blinkered ignorance listen in adulation to their leader’s 3 cheeky chappie speaches and glib invention of policy on the hoof now that he has engineered a position of dictatorship in his personalised party, for lack of anyone of any consequence, competence or gravitas ever challenging him.

We who truly seek better governanance and an end to Britain’s membership of The EU must move on leaving UKIP behind in its sordid group of extremists, racists and pro EU reform rather than withdrawal of The EFD Group Farage has gathered to make more money!

The Harrogate Agenda is at least thinking about the problems and debating with a view to a way forward – on UKIP’s growth pattern over 20 years it will be at least 100 years before they could ever clearly be in a position of relevance towards the aim of Leave-The-EU or even seriously influence it!

There is a desperate need for a Harrogate Agenda or similar, a need for political thinking, a need for a very clear exiit and survival strategy relative to The EU. Britain has between 7 & 9 days of food supply and after that all food imports are a matter of EU contracts, it would not be possible to make a single international phone call after leaving The EU and France owns 80% of our power supply – It is not some childish concept of pass a paving bill to revoke The ECA and revoke our signature to The Treaty of Rome and its subsequent amendments.

Exit from The EU is only possible through implementation of the terms in the treaties our political elite have stitched us into. Simplistic revocation of our undertakings are bound under The Treaty of Vienna and international laws of consequence rather than the dictum of The EU – Just as The WTO’s consequential relevance is the style of implement we shall have to invoke to set aside any efforts of The EU to restrict Britain’s trade when we Leave-The-EU.

So may I suggest, since UKIP has no vision, plan, strategy or gravitas Press on with The Harrogate Agenda & ANY oportunity for serious debate – perhaps heaven forefend UKIP just might make some efforts to act with some integrity and intelligent debate rather than ‘defending their seats on the gravy train’ with any form of defamatory attack they can make on any true EUroRealist who dares to seek to point out that UKIP has proved it is unfit for purpose in its present state of amateurism and sham clearly aiding The EU in maintaining control of these United Kingdoms against the will of a clear majority of British peoples.

Good luck to Richard and those like him who seek to work towards a solution through debate and rigorous appraisal perhaps The Harrogate Agenda will be the vehicle for progress to change our governance – perhaps just one of the wheels on which that vehicle advances.

IF we fail to change our method of governance then even when we Leave-the-EU we will merely slide into the next political scam that rewards politicians with massive bribes from the public purse made up from the disproportionate taxes levied on their victims.

This is not about You or I nor about enrichment and jobs – this is about us and the future of our peoples, our values and our principles the future of our children and grandchildren in freedom and dignity, stability and self respect.

Thank you to all who have set their egos and agendas aside to debate what will hopefully deliver what we had all hoped UKIP would but which they clearly failed to.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Perhaps as a starting point some may wish to consider:
1. Surely the 6 Point (Harrogate Agenda) should be THE 6 rights of ‘We the people: one people Under Law…’

2. The 6 rights should be headings for 6 or maybe more detailed rights within each sub section can be a method of enhancing, repealing or improving by referendum on a clearly defined & structured basis with defined required majorities for change.

2. The 6 rights should thus be the foundation of OUR ‘Declaration of Rights’ once adopted it can become ‘The Citizen’s Rights’. Note the apostrophe they become the inalienable rights of any one citizen of these United Kingdoms.

3. The Citizens’ Rights must include the expectation of the rights of those that serve them.

THEN:

We move on to how The Citizen’s Rights are incorporated into law under a Constitution of and for these United Kingdoms and its peoples.

I would contend that though, as has been stated, our system is indubitably, if we consider such Constitution and rights as they now stand, FUBAR but worse than that due to abuse – be that the idiotic stance of those seeking what they claim to be doubly entrenched law under such constitution as with Act of Settlement or Magna Carta we now find they have been so abused over the years by a devious ‘political class’ seeing itself as an elite as to be considerably more a case of being FUBAR BUNDY!

I contend we must not presume to plant a fully grown oak tree but rather an acorn.

The progress of that acorn and the degree of care in its nurture will determine the health, strength and durability of the eventual oak but we must not too greatly define it or we become in danger of having a stylised bonsai of little use to ‘We the peeople etc. …’

In brief first we must define the 6 core headings.

In my humble opinion – then the rest will fall into place.

6 core headings which will form our acorn and as I have just proved brevity is harder to achieve than precis ;-(

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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For those who are genuinely interested in a way forward may I suggest see CLICK HERE and read as much as you can find time to and follow the many links – you may even have sufficient interest in the future to join the debate on the Forum linked to the postings.
Good luck as Britain needs it in the face of the ineptitude of its present politicians and the style of governance that has so clearly failed us if not betrayed us!
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GUEST POST by: Niall WARRY re: EUro & Harrogate .

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Niall Warry

Niall Warry

 

Niall with a career interspersed between service in the British Army in Britain, including Northern Ireland seeking to try to keep the peace  by control of the power struggles of the criminal gangs, and in Canada, with The Royal Green Jackets and The Welsh Regiment retired after 10 years as a regular and went on to 14 years of service in The TA as a Major.

Some of his service was concurrent with 25 years experience in corporate management, as a Regional Manager for Bass.

The first serious political involvement was with Jimmy Goldsmith‘s Referendum Party as a candidate in 1997.

Since then Niall has stood as a candidate in General Elections and became Chairman of what was UKIP Wales for a period. Due to his wife’s death and relocation to Gloucestershire Niall resigned as Chairman of UKIP Wales handing it on having laid the groundwork and formed the structure that led subsequently to the election of John Bufton as a UKIP MEP.

Relocation led to becoming became Branch Chairman of Cheltenham. In this position he organised UKIP’s annual summer party & open day at Jamie Needpath’s (now Lord Kneedpath) – a hugely successful event during the time when UKIP seemed to have some relevance or at least some hope!

Sadly since 2004 UKIP would seem to have achieved absolutely nothing of any consequence in terms of Leave-The-EU.

It was during this period that Niall Warry was appointed to a general managership in UKIP Head Office in Birmingham, but in seeking to structure sound and transparent procedures and finances he fell foul of the corruption in UKIP leadership and did not have his contract confirmed when the probationary period was over.

Hence even now, years later, he is attacked by the corrupt whom he upset – The institutionalised corruption of UKIP became all too apparent when the Treasure Andrew Smith blocked meetings with him though Andrew Smith resigned in opprobrium a little later leaving his bag man the liar Mick McGough to try to cover his flight!

Niall Warry was dishonestly suspended from Farage’s Party for seeking integrity in the party and even this had to be reversed for fear of High Court action which UKIP would almost certainly have lost!

It is sad that since 2004 UKIP has achieved so very little of consequence, with such great opportunities, but much in terms of bad publicity, self enrichment for the leadership claque, placement of some particularly inept and unpleasant staff and numerous cases of Fraud.

Frauds and other odious behaviour which has all too often been denied with the only defence being to attack those who publish the facts!

The frauds etc. have been or are being investigated by OLAF & or The British Police – several orders to repay money fraudulently obtained and used, a prison sentence for one MEP who abused his position of trust and lied to try to wriggle out of his theft ending up in prison so far and of course liars like Derek Clark who tried to con his regional committee into the belief that first of all he was not under investigation and then that Junius & I had lied and made it up and then when proven guilty lied to pretend he was not found guilty.

It is this sort of corrupt behaviour that Niall Warry decided to disassociate himself from so that he could, like myself and others, carry on the patriotic fight  to Leave-The-EU untramelled and unassociated with the pro EU membership reformist stance of Farage’s squalid little clique and its claque.

As a dedicated EUroRealist of many years standing Niall Warry, with no realistic expectation of success at such short notice but with the aim of raising the EU issue stood as an INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance PPC in Somerton & Frome in the General Election and was supported by his partner Angela.

 

A fortunate decision in the long run as the bufoon leading UKIP whilst Farage ‘showed off & came a dismal 3rd. in Buckinghamshire, betrayed the party by waiting until the last minute and calling on UKIP’s candidate to withdraw and support The Tories!
Organisational skills and propensity for listing the work we all have to do makes Niall a natural Leader, bringing his military organisational skills to bear and those of a regional manager for Bass over 25 years!

It is not just that I have known Niall Warry well for almost 15 years that I have offered him a ‘Guest Posting’ but that he has proved to be consistently honest and a dedicated and patriotic EUroReal;ist for so very many years.

I also largely agree with the stance he takes on most issues:

Hi,
When the German papers start to question the Euro you know there is no doubt it is doomed ( see link below).
Sadly if you are relying on our National media for the REAL stories on the Euro crisis you are I’m afraid going to be disappointed.
Apart from the Express the rest editorially still believe we should remain in the EU and renegotiate our terms of membership.
What they fail to understand is that the existing EU treaties especially The Lisbon Constitution Treaty makes it impossible to renegotiate our terms without invoking Article 50 which declares you want to leave.
Only then will a country be able to negotiate with the EU about its terms of membership. No Article 50 no negotiations it really is that simple.
The truth is if you want to really understand what is happening in the EU you need to follow REAL experts like Richard North who along with Christopher Booker of the Daily Telegraph co-wrote the must read book ‘The Great Deception’.
Here is latest contribution from his blog today.   http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=82964
Although Richard’s blog is called EU Referendum it covers ALL the major items of news which concern us including the EU, Defence, Climate Change and British politics etc.
With regards to British politics Richard was the main speaker at a conference I organised on his behalf in Harrogate on the July 14th. There were 33 of us who all shared a belief that before things can be really be improved in our country then our current Parliamentary system of governance needs to be reformed.
As the Chartist had before in 1834 we produced a draft 6 demands in what became our ‘Harrogate Agenda’ and when fully developed and refined will become our ‘Harrogate Declaration’ for better governance.
Richard’s blog is being used as the vehicle for debate and hopefully we will have our Declaration finalised by this  Autumn.
If you are interested to follow the debate and indeed  read news analysis that is REAL then I highly recommend you read Richard North’s blog each day.
Niall Warry.
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It is sad to realise just howmany individuals and activists of value, vision, integrity & patriotism have left UKIP since 2004 CLICK HERE and just how low grade has been both the achievements and the integrity of their replacements and how since 2004 they have moved from being so very many peoples’ hopes to lead the cause of Leave-The-EU to increasingly turn from torch bearer to damp squib as part of the problem rather than any realistic hope of leading to a solution.
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