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#0669* – More Lies on Anthony BUTCHER’s UKIP Forum!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/10/2011

Steve MORSON’S abusive apologia has been added 05-Oct-2011 02:12hrs.

#0669* – More Lies on Anthony BUTCHER’s UKIP Forum!

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More Lies on Anthony BUTCHER’s UKIP controlled Forum!
This time about The Sunday Times!!



I know that it is to be expected that Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled Forum is prone to publishing outright dishonesty but it was surprising to see this garbage from the particular poster as his comments are usually quite sound.

I presume he is regurgitating some piece of propaganda he has been fed!

The Sunday Times has been vehemently anti-UKIP for years, and my thoughts go back to Nov. 2009, when Daniel Foggo recycled some long-slayed rubbish about Mike Nattrass, for no seeming reason other than space-filling. A subsequent OLAF investigation completely cleared him.

To view the original comment on The corrupt & dishonest UKIP Controlled Forum CLICK HERE

Let us consider this in detail:

The Sunday Times has been vehemently anti-UKIP for years,

I very much doubt that one shred of evidence can be provided to back this statement – I believe that it is completely groundless, and maybe an appologia for the fact that UKIP get very little coverage in serious papers as they have achieved so very little having only managed to win less than 30 elected seats out of the 19,500 available in British politics in 20 years!

UKIP are hardly news worthy except when they do something of some note! Mostly exemplared by childish stunts, fraud, drunken dishonesty or stupidity, racism, xenophobia, anti homosexuality or support for violence and the behaviour of Anders Breivik whom their group praised!

and my thoughts go back to Nov. 2009,

The comment does indeed indicate lobotomy!

when Daniel Foggo recycled some long-slayed rubbish about Mike Nattrass,

Presumably this article:

The link to The Sunday Times is: CLICK HERE
 & reads:

UKIP MEP Michael Nattrass in expenses fraud inquiry

An MEP for the United Kingdom Independence party is being investigated by the European Union’s anti-fraud watchdog over his use of expenses.
Michael Nattrass, who has represented the West Midlands in the European parliament since 2004, is the subject of an inquiry into whether Denis Brookes, one of his former aides, was paid through public funds while he was working as a regional organiser for UKIP. The EU does not allow taxpayers’ money to be used to pay party officials.
The inquiry into Nattrass, which is part of a wider investigation into UKIP’s finances, comes as one of its former MEPs, Tom Wise, was jailed last week for two years for embezzling funds out of his assistant’s allowance.
Separately, it has also emerged that Nattrass was using a business of which he was an equity partner as the “paying agent” for all his assistants’ salaries provided by the EU.
Between 2004 and summer this year, all of his assistants’ allowances were channelled through the business account of Nattrass Giles, a chartered surveyors in Birmingham which he founded nearly 30 years ago.
Nattrass was a signatory to the bank account, although he insisted last night that the administration was handled by another partner in the firm who has since died.
MEPs must not act as their own paying agents. The role can only be performed by “third parties”.
New rules brought in since July this year have further tightened the controls and MEPs can now only use accredited people or companies as paying agents.
Nattrass said he had been told by EU officials that he could use his Birmingham company.

He also insisted that Brookes had worked for him in his capacity as an MEP until his employment as an aide came to an end three years ago.

The article was of course 100% true and directly based on comments made by OLAF at the time.

for no seeming reason other than space-filling.

Yes indeed responsible journalists working on responsible newspapers use NEWS as space fillers to produce what is called a ‘News Paper’.

A subsequent OLAF investigation completely cleared him.

I am unaware of any subsequent OLAF investigation ever being made into Mike Nattrass – perhaps the author might care to publish the details of said ‘Subsequent’ investigation.

I am aware that the investigation into Mike Nattrass and Graham Booth to which Daniel Foggo referred in his article was ongoing when the article was written in that OLAF had NOT published its outcome.

Interestingly, although Mike Nattrass made much huff and puff about the article and risibly tried to claim it was the reason he was not elected leader – firstly that Mike having taken most of the summer off in his villa in Portugal had then gone, when the EU pretend parliament resat, had gone on holiday to The Phillipines to visit his daughter. His absence and the fact that he had done so very little clearly had much to do with him being little more than a joke candidate for leader of UKIP but then again weren’t they all a joke!

The investigation when it was concluded showed beyond all reasonable doubt that Mike Nattrass’ claims regarding Daniel Foggo’s article were ungrounded.

Graham Booth was found guilty by the investigation and ordered to repay a substantial amount of money he had fraudulently obtained and the FoI made it clear, or so it seemed to me, that it did not exhonourate Mike Nattrass but clearly stated that it was taking no further action against him.

Some, who have NOT been lobotomised, may remember the pack of lies published by Mark Croucher on The UKIP web site regarding the article written by Daniel Foggo regarding Roger Knapman and his people traffiking business and importing Polish labour to undercut local labour working on his house at:

Coryton House,
EX20 4PA

Some will remember the lies from UKIP written by Mark Croucher in the complaint to The Press Complaints Commission which were totally rejected and the substance of Daniel Foggo’s article was proven and upheld!

Others will remember the competence of the reporting by Daniel Foggo with regard to the fraud claims regarding Lindsay Jenkins and Tom Wise and the amount of deceit produced by Nigel Farage, Douglas Denny, Bob Feel Martinis, Mick McGough and others in trying to cover-up the fraud. Many will remember the Courts decided to take no further action against Lindsay Jenkins when Tom Wise finally realised he was not going to get away with it and mid case changed his plea to guilty and was sentenced to 2 years in prison.

You may also remember that it was Daniel Foggo who exposed the facts and let UKIP members and MEP colleagues know that Nigel Farage was paying his wife £30,000 a year yet no one could be identified in his office who could show any work she did for The EU or for UKIP.

You may also remember that on a Saturday, based upon seemingly sound information received from a member of UKIP and subsequently outline confirmed by a third party in The EU Daniel Foggo rang Nigel Farage for a comment on the fact that he had been informed that Nigel Farage was paying his son also. Nigel Farage was not only unable to deny this but also refused!

Having already shown that Nigel Farage was in breech of his undertakings to UKIP and the electorate as he was paying his wife, which I understand he does to this day, despite the fact that at the time no meaningful work that she did could be identified. On the Tuesday although Farage had failed to deny he paid his son there was no paper trail to show he did and the paper paid a tokenry amount of damages to Farage.

I have not checked but presumably Farage still pays his wife which makes his claim of being broke all the more risible and one wonders why with Steve Harris already on his staff he felt it apposite that the pensioners and patriots who support UKIP should be asked to fund a chauffeur for him as granted by UKIP NEC we understand!

We also hear that despite the large income he and his wife make out of UKIP and the various fiddles he has boasted of, running to £Millions it is claimed his life style is so profligate and ill managed that he claims to have had to remortgage his house – it was as I recall an error made by his father who was similarly a showman, drinker and professional gambler as a stock broker.

Perhaps in view of the FACTS the UKIP controlled forum might care to revert to the truth for a change! Though it is unlikely as it is a rats nest of cowardly sock puppets acting in support of Nigel Farage and greatly to the downfall of UKIP.

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Steve MORSON’S abusive apologia has been added 05-Oct-2011 02:12hrs.
FIRSTLY for the record I stand by every word of my statement above and not one item has Steve Morson provided a fact to negate just some self indulgent whining!

Poor Old Steve Morson seems not to have been able to help himself but to respond in an effort to justify himself and here it is – posted on Butcher’s UKIP controlled Forum at 17:49hrs yesterday (04-Oct). I would have replied earlier but have been out with close friends for dinner.

I am a tad busy at the moment.

Clearly he had no new facts to present so in UKIP style he fell back on being gratuitously offensive and childish:

Quote Originally Posted by Steve Morson View Post
I agree on the editorship – under Max Hastings it was a magnificent newspaper. The Sunday Times has been vehemently anti-UKIP for years, and my thoughts go back to Nov. 2009, when Daniel Foggo recycled some long-slayed rubbish about Mike Nattrass, for no seeming reason other than space-filling. A subsequent OLAF investigation completely cleared him…

Farbeit from me to reply to my own posts, but I see the pony-tailed uber-miserablist in Chepstow (barred from this forum!)

Indeed I still have a pony tail which makes it almost 30 years – so what?
Yes I was banned from Butcher’s dishonest and corrupt forum based upon a pack of lies from Paul Nuttall which neither he nor little Anthony Butcher could substantiate – I was in fact banned for telling the truth and challenging the dishonesty and corruption of UKIP – A fact of which I am rather proud when you note the damage UKIP has done to these United Kingdoms, in supporting fraud and EU institutions.

You will note that one of the items was telling the truth about Tom Wise who then went to prison another was telling the truth about David Bannerman who has recently proved me right on all counts.

Have YOU ever done anything worthwhile politically? Have you made any efforts to expose corruption or theft from the public purse? Have you ever done ANYTHING that justifies your dishonesty?

has used this post for his bog (sic).

If it goes down well with the children in your playground to make such childish remarks do be my guest – often people whistle when frightened of the dark or name call to belittle those they fear.

He doesn’t approve of dissenting, exculpatory or contrary views on it, so I resort to this.

Invent what you like if it makes you feel important – though I do understand your feelings of inadequacy they are well earned.

When we spoke (earlier this year), he was an engaging cove, belying the reputation he’d garnered as Satan’s right-hand man.

Then he goes and writes that $**t on his bog today. Well, it seems there are lies, damn lies, statistics, and what GL-W writes, now!

 Sadly poor Steve can only resort to defamatory name calling as he lacks a single fact to present to back his childish behaviour.

What the cerebrally-deficient Monmouthshire resident doesn’t seem to have realised is that I was working for Mike Nattrass MEP in his office at the time

Of course I was aware of that as you have discussed it with me and how that was the only work you had had for some time – it is very childish of you to try desperately to seem intelligent using long words but without evidence or support for your use of Roget’s you just seem foolish.

1) the article I mentioned was published,

Indeed it was as I showed.

2) The OLAF investigation was launched and

The OLAF inquiry was under way when the article was published and had NOT published a result.

3) I was shown the subsequent letter clearing him. If anyone thinks they can trump that in terms of veracity, I’d like to see it!

I believe you will find the FoI and the Sunday Times lawyers more than adequately trumped that!
You will be aware being so in contact!!!! Mike Nattrass spent a considerable amount of money on lawyers seeking an apology from The Sunday Times but I gather he has recently dropped his claim – no doubt in the realisation that his claim was not valid and no apology was either apposite or forthcoming for the veracity of The Sunday Times article by Daniel Foggo.

(And by the way, a lobotomy was performed by cutting nerve fibres connecting either the prefrontal or frontal lobe of the brain with the thalamus, the areas of the brain involved with emotion. Modern psychotropic drugs obviate the need for such invasive and harrowing surgery. I’m not on those. Are you competing with Mr. Nuttall in an internet debating contest!?)

Try not to be childish – in the context it is well understood what was meant by any adult used to conversation.

I am well aware that your internet search will show the detailed medical deffinition but this is not a childish competition for show offs or you might have actually copied the information correctly, which it seems you did not – do check you’ll find it explained on the internet and where it seems you went wrong – such inaccuracy of transcription and self dellusion may explain why you have so much time on your hands!

I have a great deal of time on mine as I am largely housebound and also sleep little as we have discussed before you lost your confidence – this as you allude later on is due to the various treatments and sideffects of my cancer.

You seem to have plenty of time on your hands, Greg. Maybe trawling the Sunday Times archive for a piece even slightly flattering to UKIP is something you could take up, to counterpoint me?

There have been many very EUroSceptic articles in The Sunday Times by journalists such as Rob Watts, Marie Wolf, Daniel Foggo and others but true UKIP has indeed earned very little publicity and most that it has earned has been bad – as with the many and varied OLAF inquiries – The fraud for which on UKIP MEP went to prison for 2 years, the article regarding People traffiking and under cutting British tradesmen was I believe you will find also by Daniel Foggo and so was the expose of Tom Wise’s criminality though in The Sunday Telegraph as I recall where Rob Watts wrote a large spread damning Farage with faint praise.

Perhaps you could identify something UKIP has actually achieved – beyond childish name calling which sadly you seem to have assimilated – lost Court cases, criminality, bullying and abuse of members and others, employing thieves and liars, consorting with racist extremists as partners who are anti Jewish, xenophobic, advocate violence are anti homosexual and include holocaust deniers and supporters of Anders Breivik.

Just what has UKIP EVER achieved that could be considered laudable and news worthy to Sunday Times readers?

They have a paywall now. And I’m busy!

Going through the motions of self justification is likely to keep you busy for a long time yet precluding the ability to fund a pay wall I presume.

Hope you’re keeping as well as can be, and that the chemo is working a storm. Steve

Indeed after 13 years of cancer, major surgery numerous small operations and this year 3 months of chem and 20 hits of radiation – all of which you can read about on my healt6h blog if you have a friend or family member who may need support – I am pleased to say I am considered remarkably fit and am inordinately pleased to have not lost my hair having had it long ever since the days of 3 haircuts in a day whilst in the army.

Of course with the parlous state of my cancer who knows what tomorrow may bring but depression and misery, inadequacy and underconfidence are not on my menue though I can surely empathise with you though I fail to see how demeaning yourself with childish name calling can be seen to raise your obviously low self esteem.

Never mind I guess you earned it. If it makes you feel better by all means invent anything you like to bolster your confidence.
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