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UKIP Exposed – What Goes Around, Comes Around!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/04/2013

UKIP Exposed – What Goes Around, Comes Around!
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UKIP Exposed in the media on many fronts!

UKIP dishonesty, corruption and hypocricy are becoming clear for all to see!

True they are little different to many others in the septic tank of politics and public office but their only real claim to fame was that they were different!!

Be assured UKIP leadership are at least as corrupt as the mosdt corrupt in other parties!

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in waiting to ensure it had been puvlished I note Junius has brought the facts to the attention of readers as follows:

UKIP’s election campaign decends to farce as Bloom admits party lacks credible policies!

 
Incompetence is no excuse
 
And so UKIP’s leadership continues to be exposed as incompetent. Even Godfrey Bloom – UKIP MEP, serial womaniser and drunkard – admits it in a series of leaked emails!
 
And how we laughed at Farage and those sycophants who have been bleating on about how those nasty Tories have been leaking facts to the press about extremist elements in the party. Sob! LINK
 
UKIP’s leadership wanted to enter the big league. Were they that naive to think that all those skeletons would remain hidden in the wake of increased media attention? And let us not forget that the Tories wouldn’t have any stories to leak if the candidates in question hadn’t been caught with their trousers/skirts down! Or is Farage too stupid to realise that?
 
And let us not forget that UKIP is not above attempting to smear their opponents or former supporters. Nikki Sinclaire, former UKIP MEP, was the subject of one such attempt by elements close to Farage.
 
And UKIP can’t even decide how many candidates are standing for the party on May 2nd! They claim 1700 +. Independent research by the Guardian has found 1217. And to make matter worse, Farage recently stated that over 1800 were standing!
 
So the party can’t even be trusted to tell the truth when it comes to the number of candidates standing. Or perhaps Farage just can’t count!
 

From The Guardian:

A series of leaked emails between key figures in Ukip reveals growing chaos at the heart of the party as it struggles to fill a policy vacuum just days before crucial local elections in which it is expected to make spectacular advances.

In one email, a senior party figure claims that leading the anti-EU party is like “herding cats”. Ukip leader Nigel Farage is warned that his party is facing a decade without credible policies, as crippling internal rows rage, and it is suggested that the party should consider buying off-the-shelf strategy from right-leaning thinktanks.

Senior members must “get off their hobby-horses” if the party is to develop policies, Farage is told in the bombshell emails from Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, and Godfrey Bloom, a leading Ukip MEP.

A despairing Bloom, writing last Thursday, warns: “My experience thus far is that as soon as more than two people get in a room progress completely stops. Even where we have experts of our own, they disagree.” Bloom suggests the party should now consider buying policy “off the shelf” from thinktanks to lend it some credibility rather than attempting to “reinvent the wheel” by devising party positions on the major issues of the day.

Wheeler, a former Tory donor who gave £5.5m to the Conservatives in 2001 before being expelled for also donating to Ukip, responds: “I could not agree more strongly that some people will have to get off their hobby-horses.”

Details of the party’s internal crisis are revealed today as Ukip prepares to field an unprecedented 1,217 candidates in Thursday’s local elections. The party is unlikely to return large numbers of councillors but Downing Street fears it will deprive the Tories of victory in many seats and be the cause of major trouble for David Cameron’s leadership.

Along with its strong anti-European Union message and calls for a hardline on immigration, Ukip is campaigning heavily on issues likely to appeal to wavering Tories, including opposition to green belt development, wind farms and a second high-speed rail line. However, the party’s manifesto is vague on details as it attempts to appeal to the broadest audience, including disaffected Labour and Liberal Democrat voters.

The emails leaked to the Observer illustrate how powerless the party is to build a manifesto as it attempts to please its politically divergent support. Bloom says the party’s policies are “naturally coming under more scrutiny” as it grows, but warns Farage of the inability of members to agree on policy lines.

Bloom, who also complains that whatever the party says on tax and the economy will “be sneered at or decried”, writes: “The charm and frustration of Ukip is we have doctors who fancy themselves as tax experts, painters and decorators who know all about strategic defence issues and … retired dentists who understand the most intricate political solutions for the nation.

“Our website will have no policies at all on there for 10 years if we adopt a neo-Byzantine approach to formulating them. This means some quite senior members are going to have to stable their hobby-horses.”

The former financial economist also reveals a split between the old stalwarts of the party, formed in 1993 in response to the Maastricht treaty, and the new members who he fears are introducing “political correctness” among other “main party baggage”. Ukip is said to be picking up 1,000 extra members a month, with membership now exceeding 25,500. Bloom writes: “Having worked on the defence paper for over one year it would appear Ukip has more military and naval experts than we have soldiers. Most of them do not agree with each other. It is like herding cats. We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness.

“We must be wary of listening to these siren voices. We did not get where we are today by following, but leading.”

Bloom claims that he has been in talks with two free-market thinktanks, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and Civitas, whose policies he suggests “buying off the shelf where it is close to our own small government, low tax, libertarian position”.

The Ukip MEP, who admits in the emails that his party “do not have the resources to write serious papers on major subjects”, adds: “If Nigel, or indeed any of the ‘frontbench’ spokesmen talk of welfare or tax, the endorsement of such institutions is a very strong shield from the sort of dismissive left wing interviewers with whom we usually cross swords.

“Imagine Nigel in a hostile (oh yes it will be) interview with a ‘Paxman’, being able to say “Yes it will work, our policy has been completely vetted and endorsed by……..” fill in the blank, Civitas, IEA, IOD, BMA, RCN etc…”

Wheeler, who reportedly made a £90m fortune in investment banking, writes that he agrees with “a great deal” of Bloom’s points, but adds that the party’s “policies must be Ukip’s policies”. He adds: “Obviously we cannot just say, when asked about what our policies are, that we agree with the IEA on X, Y and Z, and agree with Civitas on A, B and C, and some other thinktank on others etc.”

A spokesman for the party said: “What you are seeing is discussions about policy development. Mr Bloom would like to get things done rapidly, Mr Wheeler would like to ensure that consensus is reached.

“It merely displays creative tension that in the end will produce a far better policy platform than we might have otherwise without due discussion.”

The emails

The email conversation revealed between Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP, and party treasurer Stuart Wheeler:

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
It would appear Ukip has more military and naval experts than we have soldiers. Most of them do not agree with each other. It is like herding cats.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness. We must be wary of listening to these siren voices. We did not get where we are today by following, but leading.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
We do not have the resources to write serious papers on major subjects, why reinvent the wheel? Why not buy policy ‘off the shelf’, where it is close to our own small government, low tax, libertarian position.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
Now here’s the rub. My experience thus far is that as soon as more than 2 people get in a room progress completely stops. Even where we have experts of our own they disagree.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
The charm and frustration of Ukip is we have doctors who fancy themselves as tax experts, painters and decorators who know all about strategic defence issues, and branch chairmen, retired dentists, who understand the most intricate political solutions for the nation.

From: Stuart Wheeler
Sent: 25 April 2013 13:38
To: Godfrey Bloom
Dear Godfrey, I could not agree more that some people will have to get off their hobby-horses.

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Here is the original published article:

Ukip in chaos over policy on eve of key poll, emails reveal

Senior party figure says leading Ukip is like ‘herding cats’, as top MEP ponders ‘buying’ policies from right-leaning thinktanks

Nigel Farage, leader of Ukip, on the campaign trail last week. Photograph: Rich Bowen/Alamy

A series of leaked emails between key figures in Ukip reveals growing chaos at the heart of the party as it struggles to fill a policy vacuum just days before crucial local elections in which it is expected to make spectacular advances.

In one email, a senior party figure claims that leading the anti-EU party is like “herding cats”. Ukip leader Nigel Farage is warned that his party is facing a decade without credible policies, as crippling internal rows rage, and it is suggested that the party should consider buying off-the-shelf strategy from right-leaning thinktanks.

Senior members must “get off their hobby-horses” if the party is to develop policies, Farage is told in the bombshell emails from Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, and Godfrey Bloom, a leading Ukip MEP.

A despairing Bloom, writing last Thursday, warns: “My experience thus far is that as soon as more than two people get in a room progress completely stops. Even where we have experts of our own, they disagree.” Bloom suggests the party should now consider buying policy “off the shelf” from thinktanks to lend it some credibility rather than attempting to “reinvent the wheel” by devising party positions on the major issues of the day.

Wheeler, a former Tory donor who gave £5.5m to the Conservatives in 2001 before being expelled for also donating to Ukip, responds: “I could not agree more strongly that some people will have to get off their hobby-horses.”

Details of the party’s internal crisis are revealed today as Ukip prepares to field an unprecedented 1,217 candidates in Thursday’s local elections. The party is unlikely to return large numbers of councillors but Downing Street fears it will deprive the Tories of victory in many seats and be the cause of major trouble for David Cameron’s leadership.

Along with its strong anti-European Union message and calls for a hardline on immigration, Ukip is campaigning heavily on issues likely to appeal to wavering Tories, including opposition to green belt development, wind farms and a second high-speed rail line. However, the party’s manifesto is vague on details as it attempts to appeal to the broadest audience, including disaffected Labour and Liberal Democrat voters.

The emails leaked to the Observer illustrate how powerless the party is to build a manifesto as it attempts to please its politically divergent support. Bloom says the party’s policies are “naturally coming under more scrutiny” as it grows, but warns Farage of the inability of members to agree on policy lines.

Bloom, who also complains that whatever the party says on tax and the economy will “be sneered at or decried”, writes: “The charm and frustration of Ukip is we have doctors who fancy themselves as tax experts, painters and decorators who know all about strategic defence issues and … retired dentists who understand the most intricate political solutions for the nation.

“Our website will have no policies at all on there for 10 years if we adopt a neo-Byzantine approach to formulating them. This means some quite senior members are going to have to stable their hobby-horses.”

The former financial economist also reveals a split between the old stalwarts of the party, formed in 1993 in response to the Maastricht treaty, and the new members who he fears are introducing “political correctness” among other “main party baggage”. Ukip is said to be picking up 1,000 extra members a month, with membership now exceeding 25,500. Bloom writes: “Having worked on the defence paper for over one year it would appear Ukip has more military and naval experts than we have soldiers. Most of them do not agree with each other. It is like herding cats. We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness.

“We must be wary of listening to these siren voices. We did not get where we are today by following, but leading.”

Bloom claims that he has been in talks with two free-market thinktanks, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and Civitas, whose policies he suggests “buying off the shelf where it is close to our own small government, low tax, libertarian position”.

The Ukip MEP, who admits in the emails that his party “do not have the resources to write serious papers on major subjects”, adds: “If Nigel, or indeed any of the ‘frontbench’ spokesmen talk of welfare or tax, the endorsement of such institutions is a very strong shield from the sort of dismissive left wing interviewers with whom we usually cross swords.

“Imagine Nigel in a hostile (oh yes it will be) interview with a ‘Paxman’, being able to say “Yes it will work, our policy has been completely vetted and endorsed by……..” fill in the blank, Civitas, IEA, IOD, BMA, RCN etc…”

Wheeler, who reportedly made a £90m fortune in investment banking, writes that he agrees with “a great deal” of Bloom’s points, but adds that the party’s “policies must be Ukip’s policies”. He adds: “Obviously we cannot just say, when asked about what our policies are, that we agree with the IEA on X, Y and Z, and agree with Civitas on A, B and C, and some other thinktank on others etc.”

A spokesman for the party said: “What you are seeing is discussions about policy development. Mr Bloom would like to get things done rapidly, Mr Wheeler would like to ensure that consensus is reached.

“It merely displays creative tension that in the end will produce a far better policy platform than we might have otherwise without due discussion.”

To view the original article CLICK HERE.

Ex UKIP NEC member Dr. Eric Edmond, who was dishonestly and corruptly removed from UKIP NEC by Farage and his claque for having spoken out to seek accountability and probity on within UKIP, has recently been barred from renewing his membership and/or standing as a candidate in the local elections – despite the democratic wishes of his local branch of UKIP!

Dr. Edmond has commented on the issues as follows:

Sunday, 28 April 2013

Farage’s EUKIP pigeons start coming home to roost

It was entirely predictable that if UKIP ever got into a position that threatened the established parties electoral base then UKIP would come under proper scrutiny and Farage’s glib smart answers would be examined and not accepted. This is now coming about as UKIP make progress in the polls. It is the reason that when I was on UKIP’s NEC I, Del and David  fought for a thorough clean up of its finances, policies and most important governance. We have to be able to show we stick to the rules, ours and electoral rules. This got trashed by the sycophants who merely wanted to endorse every thing Farage did or said and brown nose their way onto MEP slates and hence the EU gravy train.

Let us start with the basics. How many candidates is UKIP standing this Thursday in the County Council elections? Yesterday’s Guardian says 1217, Farage sycophants claim 1700+ whilst I seem to recollect the great man himself claiming 1850. It remind me of the great scene in the film Mamchurian Candidate, original version where Johnny Iselin a mouthpiece US senator running for the VP ticket under the control of his Lady MacBeth wife Eleanor, has difficulty in remembering his various numerical claims for the ‘number of card carrying Communists’ in the US Defence Dept. He pleads with his wife over breakfast just to give him one simple number he can remember. She glances at the tomato sauce bottle on the table and says OK Johnny there are exactly 57 card carrying commies in the US Defence Dept!
UKIP has to have by electoral law a nominating officer who countersigns all  a parties candidates nomination forms. This is I believe Mr Reeve who is I believe Ms Duffy’s parntner but I am happy to be corrected on this point. Probably the signing has been devolved to a local level but still the parties nominating officer should know how many candidates a party is putting up. So how many is it Mr UKIP nominating officer?
This is a recurring problem for Farage. Giving glib answers is one thing, remembering them is quite another. I once saw a Farage type politician destroyed by a very bright businessman thus. The politician gave a long bullshit self contradictory answer to the businessman’s question. After he had finished the businessman asked him to repeat his answer. Mr charisma politician could not and drowned in a sea of his own waffle.
On QT last Thursday Simon Hughes the Lib Dem deputy leader caught our Nigel on the hop about what exactly UKIP’s personal tax policy was. Farage’s answer was not only unconvincing but gave some dangerous hostages to fortune. Now we have Bloom, that avid supporter of women’s equality, reported in yesterday’s Guardian and today’s Observer letting the cat out of the bag on EUKIP’s almost complete lack of policies and even suggesting buying in thought out policies fro right wing think tanks. Farage’s EUKIP does not do thinking only drinking!
Ken Clarke was attacking UKIP on this morning’s Sky TV. This is not a bad thing after all all publicity is good publicity for UKIP at least for the time being but UKIP has to show it can come up with some serious answers. Farage sound bites won’t do now. That’s a big problem for EUKIP that have existed exclusively on Farage’s dodgy factually unsupported glib answers to bored and uninformed journos.
Candidate selection is also a mess. Former members of the extreme right BNP, NF, EDL etc are now all UKIP candidates on 2nd May. As Bloom says
 “We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness.”

I made this point four years ago about Bannerman’s rehashed Tory promises as UKIP policies. Alan Sked was right. UKIP has to be unique in its policies and not a repository for right wing fruit cakes and loonies with hobby horses to gallop like holocaust denial.

Am I upset about this? You bet I am. I have never been a member of any other political party. I have always supported UKIP policies such as they were. I broke EUKIP’s unwritten rule, thou shalt not criticise Nigel Farage. I have never been given an explanation of any sort why this debars me from UKIP.

I have just watched Nuttall come off third best to Andrew Neil and Caroline Lucas on dodgy UKIP candidates and policy vacuum. Oh dear! 

The Tories are now picking up on the fact that Farage is in it for his own financial gain. Click to read

I leave you with their headline:

You’re only in it for yourself, Nigel

To view his original posting CLICK HERE

UKIP are very clearly unfit for purpose and seem to have done a great deal for their leadership clique and its cronies and very little for the cause of Leave-The-EU – despite huge amounts of money from the public purse and donations much of which still remains unaccounted for and with their track record of dishonesty, corruption and unprofessional chavvery many believe literally £Millions have been ‘trousered’ by the ruling clique!

The energetic and corrupt manner in which UKIP leadership resist any efforts towards transparency and accountability leads many to believe the stories of self indulgence, libertine behaviour, corruption and fraud are true.

 

In fact we know for a fact that Nigel Farage, Jeffrey Titford, Derek Clark, Godfrey Bloom and Tom Wise have all been ordered to repay monies which they had either fraudulently, deliberately or conveniently misappropriated from the public purse – Tom Wise was sentenced to 2 years in prison for having embezelled public money aided, whether wittingly or unwittingly by Linsay Jenkins a Tory member with ambitions of being selected as a candidate who acted as his highly trained assistant/researcher.

For UKIP to hypocritically bleat of unfair tactics on the part of other parties is risible and most clearly hypocritical – as shown by UKIP low life Andrew Smith a corrupt and dishonest man who sheltered by the bombast and abuse of the odious Mick McGough set out to train the NEC how to dupe the electoral commission and lie to them!

We note Andrew Smith’s efforts to smear Tories in his Eastern Region in the local press!

Clearly what goes around comes around and only today we hear UKIP candidate in Wickam Market is an alleged BNP member, either at present or in the past, which of course is irrelevant in the light of UKIP’s dishonest claim that BNP members are banned from joining UKIP!

Seems UKIP are being exposed for what they really are under their present leadership!

To follow in a future blog within a day or so are further clear indications of UKIP hypocricy and cyber bullying and lies to try to hide their true nature and a series of further very revelatory ‘e’Mails – so watch this space!

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