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Ukip, Nigel Farage & Power Struggles WILL LOSE The Referendum For BreXit

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/03/2016

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Ukip, Nigel Farage & Power Struggles WILL LOSE The Referendum For BreXit – Just as the 1975 Referendum was lost by the British peoples’ best interests due to a lack of coherent plan, FUD, the lies of the EU & Government & squabbling!

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Ukip are squabbling like ferrets in a sack – just for a change!
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This time it is a power struggle where Nigel Farage would seem willing to do absolutely anything to get his hands on the cash available if ‘Grassroots-Out’ aka ‘Leave-EU’ can get the designation in the EU Referendum.
Susanne Evans together with a few cronies, just doesn’t seem to believe Nigel Farage can be trusted and have joined his opposition contesting for designation and the pot of gold.
All this greed, self importance, show boating and squabbling is clearly at the cost of these United Kingdoms and the best interests of Britain and our peoples – in fact EUrope at large and global peace, as it stands this is just a repeat of the 1975 Referendum – almost as if these squabbling ferretts are using the book on the 1975 Referendum as an instruction manual!
All the same mistakes are being made that lost Britain the Referendum in 1975 with most of the same lies and desperate claims designed to spread FUD that won the day for the EU in 1975 – Read the book for yourself it is available in electronic version free CLICK HERE
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SUZANNE’S HIGH COURT BID FAILS

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Suzanne Evans’ application in the High Court to have her suspension from UKIP lifted has failed. She’ll have to pay £5,000 costs. Patrick O’Flynn has started a petition to get her reinstated. Read all the gory details of the court case only on Guido here

UPDATE: Suzanne speaks:

“I am stunned and distressed by this latest turn of events. I will look to take up whatever right of appeal is open to me. I remain determined to keep my personal focus on working to the full extent of my ability to help secure a ‘Leave’ vote in the EU Referendum on 23rd June, and contribute to electoral successes for UKIP on 5th May.”

UPDATE II: UKIP hit back:

“A disciplinary panel constituted by the UKIP National Executive Committee today (23 March 2016) heard a complaint against Suzanne Evans that she had publicly criticised a fellow candidate in breach of the party rules and in terms which contravene the Party Constitution. The panel resolved to suspend her membership of the party for six months. The decision may be subject to appeal. Ms Evans sought an injunction in the High Court today to prevent the hearing, but this was unsuccessful. As a consequence of this, she will not now be nominated as a UKIP candidate in the London Assembly elections to be held on May 5th.”

 

SUZANNE EVANS SUSPENDED BY UKIP: HIGH COURT BATTLE TODAY

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Guido understands there a plans afoot in UKIP to suspend Suzanne Evans from the party. The party scheduled a disciplinary meeting this morning to discuss whether to take action against Evans over a series of claims involving alleged breaches of party rules. Court documents show that Evans is filing an application to the High Court at midday today to attempt to postpone any disciplinary action until after the GLA nominations are closed on March 31. In the explosive court documents, Suzanne writes that Nigel Farage is trying to force her out:

Evans makes a series of allegations against Arron Banks and Farage’s former aide Raheem Kassam:

She concludes:

The most explosive developments in the UKIP civil war yet…

UPDATE: UKIP confirm Suzanne Evans has been suspended for six months.

GOOD EVANS! SUZANNE SACKED AGAIN

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Farage’s revenge on Vote Leave-backing Suzanne Evans continues – last week hesacked her as deputy chair, today he’s sacked her as welfare spokesman. Last night Nigel told a Ladbrokes panel that Douglas Carswell is “irrelevant“, the second time in a week he has slagged off his only MP. How about focusing on the real enemy?

UPDATE: Suzanne tells Guido:

“I must be the most purged woman in British Politics! You have to laugh it’s so ridiculous.”

UPDATE II: Peter Reeve, UKIP’s local government spokesman and also a Vote Leave supporter, has also been sacked by Farage. He’s been replaced by porn scandal David Sprason, who signed up UKIP councillors to Grassroots Out.

SUZANNE EVANS OUT AS UKIP DEPUTY CHAIR

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Suzanne Evans is no longer UKIP’s deputy chairman. Farage says in a statement:

“I have made some changes to our structure today. Both of our Deputy Chairs are candidates in the upcoming elections and this will limit any role they can play in the national referendum campaign. So I thank Suzanne Evans and Neil Hamilton for their time as Deputy Chairs and announce they will be replaced by Diane James and William Dartmouth.”

Expect to hear from those involved that this is nothing to do with UKIP’s internal politics. Though allies of Farage say this is a putsch against Suzanne, long seen as a threat by the leader’s camp and a supporter of Vote Leave, not Nigel’s preferred Grassroots Out…

UPDATE: A Breitbart story written by Farage’s former aide Raheem Kassam reveals the thinking at Grassroots Out – stripping Evans of the deputy chair role hurts Vote Leave’s bid for the designation:

“Ms. Evans no longer holding a position with the party is also problematic for the ‘Vote Leave’ campaign who have been trumpeting her support as their UKIP “cross party” backing. Now they are limited to one Member of Parliament, one Member of the European Parliament, and one member of the National Executive Committee.”

UPDATE II: Evans speaks:

“I’m naturally disappointed. I felt I was doing a good job and helping to broaden the party’s appeal both in relation to the EU referendum and the upcoming electoral challenges of May 5th and beyond.

I’d like to say a huge ‘thank you’ for all the many messages of support I’ve had from UKIP members already today, but I certainly have no intention of being drawn into any disharmony. I of course accept that it is entirely within any party leader’s authority to choose and to change their own top team.”

LOOK TO THE EVANS: SUZANNE RUNNING FOR MAYOR

“I have thrown my hat into the ring to apply to be UKIP candidate for Mayor of London and or an London assembly member. Let’s be realistic, I don’t think London is going to have a UKIP mayor any time soon. But I think it’s time for London to have a different view, a different approach. I think there are a growing amount of people in London who want to see things from a UKIP perspective.”

Also in the running for the UKIP nomination is Culture spokesman Peter Whittle, asrevealed by Guido last week.

Guido also hears that Richard Hendron, organiser of UKIP’s Gay Pride contingent, is also throwing his hat into the ring. Suzanne says she reckons she is Nige’s candidate…Suzanne Evans tells Iain Dale:

ALERT RAHEEM!

Douglas Carswell, Suzanne Evans, Mark Reckless and UKIP party chairman Steve Crowther openly plotting in Portcullis House.

Don’t tell Raheem!

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GOOD EVANS! SUZANNE UNSACKED

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A UKIP spokesman says:

“Suzanne Evans has not been sacked as a UKIP spokesman. The email seen by the BBC was issued without proper authority.”

Being unsacked is the new unresigned… how do we know this spokesman has the proper authority to unsack Suzanne?

QUOTE OF THE DAY

Godfrey Bloom on Suzanne Evans and Nigel Farage:

“It was like a 1938 Politburo member criticising Joe Stalin.”[…]

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SUZANNE SACKED AS UKIP SPOKESMAN

Via the BBC:

No one survives questioning the dear leader…[…]

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SUZANNE EVANS: FARAGE PERCEIVED AS DIVISIVE CHARACTER

Yesterday Farage said he would be “prepared” to lead the ‘Out’ campaign, a view not shared by Suzanne Evans on the Daily Politics this afternoon:

“I think Nigel is a very divisive character in terms of the way he is

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SACKED SUZANNE EVANS: UKIP BLOOD-LETTING “A COINCIDENCE”

“There has been no purge,” sacked Suzanne Evans told Victoria Derbyshire this morning, insisting it is “a coincidence” that she, Patrick O’Flynn and Gobby have all since lost their jobs. Apparently we shouldn’t believe the “hostile media agenda” and “the […]

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Nigel Farage So Clearly Exposed As Un-Trustworthy & Inept

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 03/09/2015

Nigel Farage So Clearly Exposed As Un-Trustworthy & Inept
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Nigel Farage So Clearly Exposed As Un-Trustworthy & Inept, as the media are more frequently exposing and as denounced by one of his more, until recently, loyal partners in crime, Douglas Denny

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it must be particularly gaulling for Nigel Farage that this cartoon, showing that the media has seen through his paper thin self publicity and have clearly got the message of his being no ‘Superman’ in a cape but just a silly little man in a seedy spivs shabby chique coat, made fashionable as a spin off of the ‘Teddy Boy’ era when Saville Row’s aim to issue an Edwardian style of long jackets and were gazzumped by their own cutters and workshops in the East End slums of London.

Nigel Farage is shown in the cartoon as more akin to the insecure tantrums of Kim Jong-Un(hinged), and all in public circulation the day before Ukip’s anniversary, having been founded 22 years ago on 03-Sep-1993.

Even his staggeringly dishonest and corrupt erstwhile fixer Douglas Denny has once again denounced him – such a pity Douglas Denny lacks the integrity and backbone to expose the truth in full; of the corruption, fraud, bullying, rigging and profligacy Nigel Farage has been so closely involved in, using useful idiots like Denny, John Moran, John Whittaker, David Bannerman, Mark Croucher, John Ison, David Lott, Annabelle Fuller, Mick McGough, Christopher Gill, Gerard Batten and the like as his mouthpieces and fixers.
(Farage must be aware that some of his worms have turned!)
I guess it is hardly surprising that a little man like Denny lacks the backbone and ethics to tell the truth as he was so involved in the corruption and huge sums of money that seem to have unaccountably spiritted away (trousered?) by Nigel Farage and his direct cronies, that he may fear for his own liberty!
It is quite surprising that in 22 years Ukip have achieved so staggeringly little, relative to the colossal amount of money they have had, for Britain other than the enrichment and patform Nigel Farage has achieved for himself and the enrichment of the unsavoury clique he has gathered around him to prop up his ineptitude as a politician, bereft of clear and sound, ethical and workable policies – dependent on populism  – he is to Britain as Alex salmon and Nicolla Sturgeon are, just as Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Jack Straw and thwe present leadership contenders are to the Labour Party – catastrophicly divisive.
Even the media are finally plucking up the courage to point out that despite Ukip garnering just under 4M votes dotted around the country Nigel Farage is very much a ‘marmite’ character liked by a vociferous minority yet reveiled and held in contempt by the vaste majority – so much so that the General Election was, like all other domestic elections, an abject failure for Ukip and for Nigel Farage even more so having had his 8th. failure to get elected as an MP. His unpopularity is so dangerous and divisive for these United Kingdoms many now realise his involvement in the upcoming EU Referendum may well be the most damaging input to the Campaign to Leave_The_EU, causing many who would vote for the proposition to reconsider their stance and either abstain or vote against!
Here is the cartoon from yesterdays Telegraph:
FARAGE, Nigel 106 Kim Yung Nige 02-Sep-2915
From: “Douglas” <ddennyoptom@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 20:53:46 +0000
To: Denny Douglas. BSc.\(Hons\)<douglas.denny@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Telegraph Wed2nd Sept Cartoon

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Dear Friends and Ex-colleagues,

I note in the Adams cartoon in The Daily Telegraph (Wed 2nd Sept), it is clear the news media have Nigel “sussed” exactly.

It was always the danger of having a dictatorial leader that he would lead in a manner to enhance his own image rather than join in with the larger and far better organised ‘NO’ campaign for the greater good of the EU -OUT cause.

By being so self-centred, by having no response or answers to the referendum in terms of party policy, by denying and ignoring the obvious fundamental changes which have now occurred in British politics with the announcement of the referendum, …this has adversely affected the very rationale of UKIP’s existence and what it stands for as per the UKIP constitution. It is clear Nigel Farage has not thought it out.
UKIP’s very future as a political party is thrown into doubt: for what can UKIP do in British politics after the referendum? What then is the point of UKIP?
I believe UKIP events have left UKIP behind, and as a party it has therefore now become defunct…obsolete.

Nigel has never addressed the main issue which has always been the Achilles Heel of UKIP – what to do in the event that a government actually does give the British people a referendum for being IN or OUT of the EU. Such a referendum is precisely what I and most others in UKIP have been campaigning for in the last sixteen years or more that I have been inside UKIP, and longer outside of UKIP before that.

The Conservatives having now conceded that crucial referendum have, in doing so, cut the legs from under Nigel and his non-policies, thereby crippling UKIP.

UKIP did have a minor role to play in the lead up to the referendum – but only if the Leader Nigle Farage had accepted UKIP being a part of the ‘NO’ campaign – which will gain momentum in due course. He has foolishly rejected that for the sake of his own vanity, hence the NO campaign will leave Nigel and UKIP behind in it’s dust-wake as it forges ahead with good funding and high-powered people to speak on the ‘NO’ campaign’s behalf.
Nigel has cut himself and UKIP off from this vital role…. a very stupid decision in my opinion.

Douglas Denny. Bosham.

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The Toxic Nature of Nigel Farage Will Lose The Referendum For EUroSceptics

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/05/2015

The Toxic Nature of Nigel Farage Will Lose The Referendum For EUroSceptics
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The Toxic Nature of Nigel Farage & his odious cult of Ukip Praise Singers Will Lose The Referendum For EUroSceptics

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it is noteworthy that you have to be 58 years old or more to have had any say in whether these United Kingdoms should be a global trading nation making its own decisions and alliances on the world stage or whether we should be a vassal region in the ever tightening grip of the supra national Empirate of the EU, with its strutting overpaid and unelected little beaurocrats and its determined political aims of ‘Ever closer Union’.

Those of us old enough to remember that referendum can rwemind you that Enoch Powell predicted the disaster that has befallen our country and its loss of sovereignty CLICK HERE this speech made in the House of Commons received little attention in the media – unlike his speech made to a little local Conservative group which was so widely and deliberately misinterpreted by the illiteratti and branded The Rivers of Blood speech, deliberately to discredit him, in the knowledge that the largely ignorant masses would not understand the classical quotations which underpinned the meaning of his words of caution.

Whilst the oleagenous Edward Heath lied to Parliament and the British peoples as he claimed that ratifying our membership of the EU and the signing of the catastrophic Treaty of Rome would ‘lead to no essential loss of national sovereignty’ – a lie he admitted to years later proudly claiming that ‘he had lied deliberately as he believed that the British people would not have voted YES to ratify the Treaty had they known the truth’!

Even with this outright lie and dishonest letters to the main papers from the Government team the margin voting YES was tiny – a margin that would have been inadequate to change the rules in a golf club let alone surrender the ultimate sovereignty and governance to a foreign and particularly alien authority.

We see much the same thing again as the work of the only individual who has had the political and intellectual rigor to present a responsible, viable and honourable EU exit and survival strategy has been largely dismissed by the stuffed shirts and parasites looking to feed from tjhe honeypots of the Westminster bubble as these political lightweights jockey for position mindlessly seeking notoriets and expenses as they make ALL the same mistakes that were made by the No Campaign in the referendum of 05-Jun-1975.

Do YOU remember who led the NO Campaign in 1975 clearly not, because they were all squabbling over who should lead it just like now and just like now the idiots were arguing in favour of a ‘large tent’ policy unwilling to put forward the benefits of not being vassals of the union in EUrope and with no strategy or unified plan.

In 1975 the pro membership team were unified and well planned organising, as is already happening this time, the lies and distortions that so readily and dishonestly mislead the public with FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Doubt) using EUrope based companies to spread alarm about withdrawing fgrom Britain and loss of jobs when any responsible individual shows that clearly this is just propaganda and that Britain has no intention of withdrawing from the Economic Area merely repatriate its democratic rights, decision making, justice system and sovereignty with the added advantage of control over our own borders, military and airspace able to negotiate and make international agreements around the world that suit our peoples and our allies including the Commonwealth.

There is no downside risk when we Leave_The_EU and it is only the foolish, who have not thought through the details that claim we would make huge savings when we leave as in economic terms the end of our membership is clearly economically neutral, as every penny we save in EU contributions will be required to re-establish our Civil Service trained with competence and our embassy structure around the world with an established body of first class staff and negotiators as we once had.

For a fuller understanding of both the how to and the ramifications of making a responsible and organised eXit from the EU it would seem there is only one published plan of any degree of competence, and it can be read free of charge by any responsible individual with the wellbeing of these United Kingdoms at heart at CLICK HERE

You will note that even in Scotland they realise the disadvantages of the politically inept and the likelihood of the great damage they will do the NO vote, as they singled out Nigel Farage as an example! You will be minded that the Ukip cult followers have dithered between being opposed to EU membership one minute and trying to be a fully fledged political party with a plethora of policies all seemingly funded by the economic savings when we Leave_The_EU, savings that are not in any way plausible as we rebuild our own structure.

Despite the Nigel Farage cult’s opposition to EU membership over the last 22 years they have NEVER been able or competent enough to provide a responsible workable EU eXit & survival strategy for these United Kingdoms and this muddled lightweight thinking will be the very thing the pro EU lobby will exploit, using massive amounts of EU casjh, as they did during the Irish referendum on the New EU Constitution as presented in the Lisbon Treaty.

SNP’s incoherent position on staying in Europe

David Torrance
Monday 25 May 2015

We’re approaching the 40th anniversary of the last time citizens of the UK were asked about Europe.

Of course then, on 5 June 1975 to be precise, voters were consulted regarding the European Economic Community (EEC) or Common Market. Should the UK stay in, or should it get out?

It had only been a member for two-and-a-half years, joining along with the Republic of Ireland on 1 January 1973, but Harold Wilson, recently re-elected Prime Minister with a wafer-thin majority, had promised a referendum and thus duly delivered.

Cannily, Mr Wilson gave his divided Labour Party a free vote, while most Conservatives (including their then fledgling leader Margaret Thatcher) campaigned to remain in the EEC; the SNP, meanwhile, wanted out. Mr Wilson hailed his negotiations with Brussels a success and took his case to the country.

The Yes campaign comfortably emerged the victor, with England voting 68.7 to 31.3 per cent in favour, and a less enthusiastic Scotland by 58.4 to 41.6 per cent. Shetland and the Western Isles voted to leave, the only two local authority areas to do so.

One can overdo historical analogies (and I usually do), but the parallels are striking four decades later. Now it is a Conservative Prime Minister in possession of a wafer-thin majority and a party that requires a free vote to mask its divisions. And the SNP is now pro rather than anti.

Indeed so pro that Alex Salmond – now emerging as the leader of the SNP’s fundamentalist wing – recently confirmed he would campaign for a Yes vote on Europe shoulder-to-shoulder, hand-in-glove, or my favourite beloved of many an SNP press release, “in cahoots with” Tory Chancellor George Osborne.

“I share platforms with everybody,” the former First Minister told his favourite broadcaster the BBC, “except fascists and non-democrats”. Inevitably this prompted cries of “hypocrisy”, but then Mr Salmond has made a career out of ever-shifting points of unshakable principle, so in a funny sort of way he was being entirely consistent in his inconsistency.

Europe is one of those issues on which the SNP has an apparently simple position (pro) but which, on closer examination, becomes a bit of a mess. Shortly before last year’s European Parliament elections Mr Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon et al started inserting little caveats into their pronouncements, largely to the effect that the European Union wasn’t perfect, “far from it”.

But to my knowledge there’s been no attempt to explain in what way they would help make it a more perfect union. Indeed, there’s little evidence the SNP has done any serious thinking about the EU since around 1988, when it committed to “independence in Europe”, a slogan rather than a policy.

Even that didn’t make an awful lot of sense: why so alive to sovereignty within the UK but relatively relaxed when it comes to the EU?

But it goes deeper than that, for the roll call of things the SNP doesn’t like about Europe is quite long: the single currency, Common Fisheries Policy and closer fiscal integration, which the present First Minister has several times made clear she doesn’t support. Even the European Convention on Human Rights (which exists separately from the EU) has come under fire from Nationalists, chiefly its ruling against a blanket ban on voting rights for prisoners.

Then there’s the rhetoric. SNP press releases rail against the “Tory obsession with ripping Scotland and the rest of the UK out of the EU” and Scotland being “dragged out” against its will. Yet when Unionists deployed similar language to describe Scotland vis-Ã -vis the UK they were accused of being alarmist and melodramatic. Similarly, it’s difficult to argue that Scotland leaving a highly-integrated UK would somehow be hassle free but the UK exiting a much looser union would “threaten” jobs and the economy, yet that’s exactly the SNP’s position.

To guard against being ripped or dragged, meanwhile, the SNP points to its “double majority” safeguard under which every part of the UK would need to approve withdrawal for it to take effect. On one level this is a clever piece of political positioning, but on another it’s constitutionally incoherent. Perhaps the UK government should agree with the proviso that the same “double” (actually quadruple) majority apply to any future independence referendum; bamboozle the Nationalists with their own contorted logic.

The SNP also ties itself in knots when it comes to the referendum increasingly likely to be held at some point next year. Yesterday Labour finally bowed to the inevitable and made it clear its MPs would support the necessary legislation, which means virtually the only Members traipsing through the No lobby in the House of Commons will be “the 56”, and on the flimsiest possible basis; supporters of self-determination for Scotland but not, it seems, the UK.

Which isn’t to say the Prime Minister has covered himself in glory when it comes to matters European. It remains unclear what exactly it is he hopes to get out of his Wilson-style “renegotiation” with Brussels, while he’s also set himself up to fail by making freedom of movement a “red line” issue.

That said, Mr Cameron finds himself in a relatively strong position: Ukip is weak (despite having won nearly four million votes) and he has an overall majority, thus the PM’s apparently desire to hold a referendum sooner rather than later.

Last week Mr Salmond was full of sage advice derived from his experience of last year’s independence ballot, ie don’t let unpopular politicians run the show and guard against a dynamic in which it looks like “the establishment”, business or otherwise, is dictating how “the people” ought to vote.

Recently Jim Murphy, a more successful Europe Minister than he was Scottish Labour leader, also set out four clear lessons from Scotland: the need to fight like “an incumbent and an insurgent”, “passion as well as facts”, that businesses must “speak up early” (unlike in Scotland), and a realisation that no matter what the outcome, the forthcoming referendum “will not settle the European debate for a generation”.

Yesterday a YouGov poll showed what such surveys usually show in a Scottish context, that 68 per cent of Scots want to stay in the EU and 32 per cent would quite like to go, ie less Eurosceptic than England where the latter figure is usually a few points higher. Moderate opinion, meanwhile, is actually hardening in favour of the status quo, a phenomenon ironically aided by the rise of Ukip in general and Nigel Farage in particular.

Yet as the recent Scottish experience demonstrated, opinion poll-derived complacency can produce close shaves. But despite the hyperbole of tribal politics, the SNP and Conservatives are actually on much the same page on this issue, both want to remain part of a reformed Europe, and in that respect a Scottish Yes campaign led by Nicola Sturgeon can only pile up votes which make that more likely.

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Behind The Facade Nigel Farage’s Ukip Cult Are Fighting Like Ferrets In A Sack

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UKIP Policy Chief Suzanne Evans ‘Cried’ After Backstabbing Farage

UKIP’s Deputy Chairman and head of policy Suzanne Evans is reported to have cried and “begged for a job at Breitbart” after a failed coup against UKIP leader Nigel Farage, according to party sources.

Evans, who was credited with UKIP’s flawless manifesto launch, is said to have “bought into” the Carswell narrative in believing that a leadership coup against Nigel Farage was credible and a “done deal”. After Mr Farage’s advisors got wind of the manipulation, they are said to have confronted the problem, and blocked a “left wing takeover” of the party by Ms Evans and the out of favour Patrick O’Flynn.

Breitbart London has learned that as Suzanne Evans discovered that she was Mr Farage’s favourite to be interim leader of the party, she began plotting to make the left-leaning Patrick O’Flynn the chairman of the party. Mr Farage’s advisors discovered the plot and blocked the group, led by Douglas Carswell MP, by keeping Mr Farage as leader.

Ms. Evans is said to have returned to her office in UKIP’s Brooks Mews HQ, “screaming and crying” over what she perceived was the end of her career.

She was later heard to beg former Farage advisors for “a job with Breitbart London” in an attempt to shore up her own financial situation.

Friends of Mr Farage told Breitbart London: “Carswell, O’Flynn, and Evans had clearly thought that Nigel was going. They thought it was a done deal. They positioned themselves to take over the party and move it more towards the left wing of British politics. They failed and now they’re all desperately trying to suck up to Nigel.”

Breitbart London understands that Douglas Carswell MP has desperately sought to contact Mr Farage over the past 12 hours, only to be met with a stony silence.

Ms Evans attempted to reverse ferret a few days ago, according to party sources, but was hung up on by Mr Farage, who said he didn’t want or need her support to continue as party leader.

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Talking of ferrets it is clear that as ever Ukip are fighting like ferrest in a sack with Nigel Farage, who over many years has shown he has difficulty in controlling his zip, his drinking, his violent temper tantrumms and his unforgiving intollerance has now admitted his Ukip cult is little more than a one man band in today’s Sunday Express with the arrogant and hubristic boast, backed by Richard Desmond that “I’m in total control”.

Could it be that having been in ‘total control’ since Alan Aked effectively asuming the Party he had started was doomed with his parting memo to Craig McKinley (now Tory MP for Thanet) that he had left and Craig was now in charge; soon of course to see the defacto leadership of Ukip seized by Nigel Farage and his odious cronies.

Now the true scale of the catastrophe is becoming far more apparent as clearly brand Ukip has been subourned and subverted by ‘total control’ and as was shown in Thanet, where Nigel Farage stood unsuccessfully in his 7th. Parliamentary election, brand Ukip met with a majority vote taking overall control of Thanet Council whilst brand Farage was considered too toxic to elect.

Many of us had fortold the results for the General Election accurately, unlike those cranno rectally retentive pundits of The Westminster Bubble and we have been and yet again warn that it will be the emmulation of the Referendum of 1975 that will guarantee to lose the OUT argument yet again.

I admit I was deeply unimpressed with the partisan comments and crass conclusions of ‘Purple Revolution’ by two self proclaimed experts on Ukip, who managed to get much of it wrong! However they did pick up on one quote of common sense from Nigel Farage when he said:

“It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat. Was I supposed to brief Ukip policy from the Westminster Arms? No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.”
What eventually made him clearly without credibility was when he acted with integrity and stood by his word only to renege on his own common sense and rather than take the summer off to let Ukip lick its wounds and indulge in such recrimination, in fighting and blood letting as was needed to then put himself forward for a leadership election in September – IF he so wished.

It is hard not to speculate as to what it is he is frightened will come to light if he risks having others in control, might it be the accounts that terrify him or perhaps secret deals and payolla or even details of his drinking and private life – is this why he now claims to wish to run his cult until 2035 – rather overlooking the plight of his protege whom he chose and annointed as an MEP and the dire straits Ashley Mote now finds himself facing at 79 – perhaps Nigel Farage will be forced to run his cult until he drops!

Let us accept one proven fact there is a certain type, including many ex BNP supporters and loyal Labour deserters who love him but equally there is a better informed and better balanced army of patriots who loath his style and behaviour and there is no doubt Ukip has an army of implaccable enemies it has rightly earned.
To see Nigel Farage within a country mile of the referendum on the EU involved in the out campaign may puff up his ego and please his claque but for the electorate at large it would be the kiss of death to any possibility of a vote to Leave-The-EU, a fact which may explain why we saw the BBC and their selected panelists fawning over him on Question Time last week for surely they must realise that the best hope of a vote to stay IN the EU lies in the hands of Nigel Farage and failue is all but assured should he put himself forward for the NO campaign.
Already we have the weak minded mouthing the same mantras of personal egotism with their demands for a ‘Big Tent’ approach and dominance by the very same grouping of self important pratts as last time, looking to feeding their egos and their bank accounts regardless of the fact they WILL lose, same personalities same background same style just different names!
Let us leave the last word on the catastrophic outcome, should the same old same old clique gain a Westminster based control of the OUT Campaign, to the fiercly independent and well informed Richard North who has for many years had his light hidden under a bushel supplied by Christopher Booker who fronted much of North’s research and deductive ability, which became the beacon of EUroScepticism both in Christopher Booker’s weekly column in The Sunday Telegraph and various articles in other papers and journals, not to mention his lectures at Staff College & a number of very well informed and eminently readable books.
All the pundits of the Westminster Bubble prattle on about ‘Big Tents’ and not firming up on the facts to ensure a consensus, meanwhile forgetting the aim is to achieve an out vote not a jolly clique and a continued salary/income and have their egos massaged – whilst they have been wining and dining and beating their gums whilst they schmooze eachother and a few known money sources that seek their egos being stroked, Richard has been ploughing on to ensure he is the master of his brief with his book on HOW to Leave-The-EU FleXcit ready for publication in September with every detail meticulously cross checked and referenced in detail, now running to some 400 pages which you can see an introductory review of at:
or read on line now at:
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf
The book that the Westminster Bubble lightweights will be too stupid to read and the media will glibly dismiss – all in the hope that they can do a cozy deal and LOSE like last time!:

UKIP: our worst nightmare

Richard North, 16/05/2015  


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From the mouth of our enemy, Jonathan Freedland, comes a devastating analysis which is all too accurate – far too accurate for comfort. He writes:

At present, plenty of people in the out camp reckon that if Farage is their leading voice, they will lose. They point to the Farage paradox: that as Ukip’s poll rating has risen in recent years, support for a British exit from the EU has diminished. Back in 2012, when Ukip commanded just 3 percent of public support, more people wanted to leave the EU than to stay in. Today, in a year when Ukip has won 13 percent of the votes in a general election, “in” can lead “out” by as much as 20 points. It seems Farage does well galvanising the convinced, but repels everyone else.

This is what worries outers, especially those in the Conservative party. With David Cameron now lionised by his party as an election-winning hero, he probably won’t have to extract too much from EU negotiations to win support for an “in” vote from all but the most diehard Tory Eurosceptics. So long as Cameron can point to a couple of token victories over Brussels, the likes of Michael Gove and Philip Hammond – who once threatened to vote for out – are likely to campaign to stay in. That would leave a dearth of big beasts on the “out” side – with Farage as the most visible face. And that could sink the anti-EU cause.

The point is well-made about Farage: “It seems Farage does well galvanising the convinced, but repels everyone else”. And that’s the point. People either love him or hate him – the trouble is most hate him, and to win the referendum we need 51 percent of the voters.

The next point is well-made as well: David Cameron probably won’t have to extract too much from EU negotiations to win support for an “in” vote.

Too many people are being far too complacent about the deal Mr Cameron can bring back from Brussels. This is the man who “vetoed” a treaty and was applauded by the media and his party. Even to this day, the legend survives.

All the signs are that the newly-anointed Prime Minister, in cahoots with the “colleagues” is capable of pulling off a theatrical “spectacular” – more than enough to unite the majority of his party, and to bring the media on-side.

This indeed will leave Farage as the lead political figure in the campaign. The few Tory “big beasts” who are still prepared to back the outers will then be linked with Farage and their continued campaigning will be political suicide – they will be isolated and marginalised – the rump of the Tory “right wing”. Very few others will want to take the risk.

Freedland’s analysis, therefore, points to failure – he paints a scenario that really is all too real. Farage taking a prominent part in the campaign will guarantee we lose. As Complete Bastard points out, he is a disaster – the one man who, single-handedly can lose us the referendum.

But winning the referendum must come first. Farage should stand down and we should make this a people’s campaign, capitalising on the anti-politics mood. A vote for “out” then becomes a vote against all politicians – Farage included. Tragically, it was never meant to be like this. But Farage has toxified the eurosceptic brand and this is the result. Even the Guardian can see it – our enemies understand us better than we do ourselves.

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On the bright side, though, we have a late intervention from Douglas Carswell, who is telling Farage to take a break from Ukip. Politics is about persuasion, he says:

And getting noticed isn’t enough to win over people. You need the right tone. At times, Ukip has failed to strike the right tone. By all means we should highlight the problem of health tourism. But we need to admit that using the example of HIV patients to make the point was ill-advised.

Ukip, Carswell observes, has been at its most persuasive when we have been most optimistic. Anger is never a great way to motivate people — at least not for very long.

“The party”, he notes, “was founded to oppose Britain’s membership of the European Union. Getting us out is one of the reasons for our existence. For the first time in a generation, we now have a majority of MPs in the House of Commons in favour of a referendum on our membership. Instead of sniping at the government as they prepare the legislation for the referendum, we should take heart”.

Sternly, he tells his readers that, rather than automatically dismissing every idea for EU reform as necessarily bad, we should explain why we think we could do even better outside the EU.

Instead of feeding the idea that EU membership is synonymous with immigration, Ukip should help draw attention to the myriad of ways in which being run by Brussels makes us worse off. As a vital part of the coalition campaigning for “out”, Ukip needs to strike the right tone. We must be part of a movement, but not seek to dominate it, he says.

Rather than focusing on the 13 percent of people who voted Ukip at the last election, the “out” campaign needs to find ways of winning the argument among the 87 percent of people who did not. Strident euroscepticism won’t do it, he says. The clue is in the name. Ukip was founded to make the UK independent of the EU. That’s what brought us into politics. We mustn’t get distracted. We mustn’t confuse ends and means. We should be prepared to work with people across the spectrum who want ultimate power to reside with people answerable to the rest of us rather than Eurocrats.

“There are many decent Green, SNP, Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative voters who share this aim. Are we going to work with them or talk over them?” Asks Carswell, “Are we going to play our part in a positive coalition, making the case for a better future or are we going to drown out messages other than our own?”

The case is there to be made: a global Britain, trading with friends and allies on every continent including Europe. A democratic Britain, able to hire and fire its lawmakers. A free Britain, living under its own institutions. Every action we take over the next 12 months should be to promote that goal.

Concludes the one and only Ukip MP: “All of us Ukip supporters should ask one question. Is what I’m doing at this moment making an ‘out’ vote more likely? If it isn’t, stop it and do something else”.

If Ukip can take on board that message, then there is some hope and some room for accommodation. But it has to be a Ukip without Farage.

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Cameron Ducking To Avoid The Misunderstood Ukip Issue!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/12/2014

Cameron Ducking To Avoid The Misunderstood Ukip Issue!
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Hi,
reading my way around the blogs and papers as regular ports of call I found the article below of particular resonance and believe you will find it a worthwhile read, wherein I incline to agree with both the main thrust of the article and the detail.
Though I must say I do feel that both Cameron and the author are over estimating the likely threat of Ukip holding and serious level of power even as a balnce at Westminster.
Although it is possible that Farage’s party could get as many as 10 seats in the Commons it is very unlikely and a more probable outcome will be none or just one or two, which at this stage does not include a seat for the showman Farage, who has not made any serious appearance in his chosen seat of Thanet for 3 months and when last there appearing on a panel it seems he got bored and lefty early for more pressing matters:

It is of course not unreasonable to assume he merely left to indulge himself as that is how he is most frequently portrayed by his own press office who know him best:

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The threat of Nigel Farage’s party

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Is not in the next parliament but how they will disrupt the election where they are likely to take more votes from the incumbent governing party than the opposition leading to the calamitous possibility of Ed Milliband and Ed Balls in Downing Street with a minority Government propped up by the self serving SNP – a situation from which Britain may well never recover which would lock us into The EU until its inevitable collapse.

Also be minded that the SNP have 6 MPs in the present Government, a number Nigel Farage’s antics can only aspire to, and they have proved to be a total irrelevance at Westminster and it has been their home territory in Scotland where they have proved so damaging to Scotland, the Scots and the Union.

Sadly, like the SNP, Ukip has only an ability to do damage as it rakes through the gutter of politics aided by a self serving claque and the failures of society – pandering, as it does, to any form of populism however unpleasant, just to gain places on the gravy train when clearly they have no real interest in any issue other than their own income stream as they so clearly damage the honest desire of a huge tranche of the British electorate who seek to overturn our membership of the EU’s political engineering, with a new relationship in association with the EU as an economic common market rather than vassals of the new political Empirate.

I am firmly of the belief that the responsible and honourable way forward for these United Kingdoms has been laid out in detail HERE and HERE

However for some further thoughts, as it pertains to Cameron and the future of the Tory Party:

Saturday, 29 November 2014

The EU Game Cameron Plays

It is a truth universally acknowledged that when it comes to all matters EU, Cameron – the cast iron Prime Minister – is not to be trusted.

Yet he is also a man under political pressure not only from his own party but what he perceives as the UKIP threat for his general election chances. This is evident with his 2017 referendum promise which was made under duress while he had previously been anxious to avoid one at all costs.

So as we enter the final straight leading up to May 2015 we had a much-hyped speech on immigration yesterday. Its purpose not only to try to win the election but form the basis of winning an EU referendum in 2017.

In his speech we had the typical Cameron flourishes which were a rehash of his “commitments” over the Lisbon Treaty. With Lisbon he was repeatedly asked what would happen if it was ratified by all member states before he came to power. “We won’t let matters rest there” was his response, which as we all know, letting matters rest there was precisely what he did. A U-turn that almost certainly cost him the 2010 election.

Yesterday we had a variation of the same theme.

If our concerns fall on deaf ears and we cannot put our relationship with the EU on a better footing, then of course I rule nothing out.

Cameron repeated the “I rule nothing out” during the questions and answers session which followed his speech. Cameron hinting he would consider exit but not actually specifying it and we think it’s fair to assume that he won’t.

However the more interesting point concerned how Cameron was going to attempt to wriggle himself out of the hole which he has very firmly plonked himself in, namely that any reforms to satisfy eurosceptics needs treaty change and that can’t be done in the two years he proposed, if at all.

Cameron acknowledged during the Q&A session following his speech that his whole package required treaty change (my transcript):

Guardian: Patrick Wintour from the Guardian. You’ve cited Open Europe in your speech. Open Europe’s figures show that even if you’re on the minimum wage and you lose your tax credits a Pole or a Bulgarian will still have a financial incentive to come to the UK. Why are you sure that these measures will repel people from coming to the UK and secondly does this require Treaty change in your mind

Cameron: The answer to the second question is yes. These changes taken together they will require some Treaty changes. There’s a debate in Europe about exactly which bits of legislation which bits of the Treaty you’ll need to change but there’s no doubt this package as a whole will require some Treaty change. And I’m confident we can negotiate that.

Such arguments have been made often on the internet so it’s refreshing to see Cameron finally and publicly coming to the same conclusion. It’s also interesting that his numerous references to Open Europe effectively outs it as the europhile organistion that it is and that its own purpose is to keep the UK in the EU.

So…how to remove himself from a hole? Well we get a very clear indication of how he is attempting to do it from the superb analysis by Richard North of Cameron’s speech:

What the Prime Minister has done is narrow down the “reform” spectrum to cover one subject, and one subject only – immigration. To be more specific, it has been narrowed down to freedom of movement.

This has a number of positives for Cameron. By linking the freedom of movement to the issue of benefits, has made Cameron try to look somewhat tougher on both. Then by concentrating largely on immigration he’s turning his fire on UKIP.

With UKIP exiting the EU arena and going for the anti-immigrant vote as its sole purpose, topped off by an all round aggressive undertone that by Farage’s admission alienates half the electorate, it’s an understandable strategy from Cameron. It’s not the definite “ins” or the definite “outs” which matter, it’s the more sensitive “don’t knows”, “couldn’t care less”, and “could be persuaded either way” votes which win a referendum.

Thus by proposing what “appears” to be more a moderate sensible solutions to a concerned electorate rather than one of a more robust and alienating policy of repatriation (nevermind confusion) it would leave UKIP with nowhere else to go. It’s a similar scenario to countries such as Cuba whose economy used to rely mainly on one export- sugar. Any failure for whatever reason in the product and you’re buggered.

Another positive for Cameron is that there are mechanisms within EU membership which are “already possible without treaty change, or even additional EU legislation“. Those which do require treaty change conveniently can be achieved via Article 48 without the need for an IGC (Intergovernmental Conference):

…Article 48 – which deals with treaty change – also allows for a “simplified procedure”. Potentially, this would allow the procedure to be completed on a rainy afternoon in Brussels, perhaps on the margins of a European Council. There is, though, a small condition. The changes permissible are confined to Part Three of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) which, just as it happens, include freedom of movement. Against all the odds, therefore, Cameron could pull off a quickie treaty and come home in triumph, waving a piece of paper.

What we can see here therefore is Cameron relying on the rather misleadingly named “self-amending” parts of the Lisbon Treaty. He will attempt to return from ‘negotiations’ claiming he’s reformed the EU via Article 48, in this Cameron is attempting to do “a Chamberlain“. It’s as transparent as it’s dishonest.

However there are also some significant negatives with Cameron’s strategy. The hurdles for Cameron are not over. Article 48 is limited to what it can and can’t do and it cannot just change the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) on a whim as and when, despite some of the eurosceptic rhetoric.

While Article 48 by-passes the need for a complex full-blown EU treaty and an IGC, any amendments still require the UK Parliament’s permission (along with the other 27 member states):

The amendments shall enter into force after being ratified by all the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.

And under Article 48.7 we can see an implicit approval clause

Any initiative taken by the European Council on the basis of the first or the second subparagraph shall be notified to the national Parliaments. If a national Parliament makes known its opposition within six months of the date of such notification, the decision referred to in the first or the second subparagraph shall not be adopted. In the absence of opposition, the European Council may adopt the decision. 

In short it means Parliament always agrees to amendments unless it specifically objects within a certain time period. Therefore as we can see from Article 48 the key point is that Parliament still has a say in any potential amendments to the Lisbon Treaty.

Thus we could be in an interesting position where Cameron’s much fabled “piece of paper” is rejected by Parliament. Realistically this is unlikely. With all main parties supporting EU membership, the likelihood is Parliament will support it, but with lots of pantomime – Labour and the Lib Dems complaining it didn’t go far enough. Here would be a repeat of ERM membership – all parties supported it, for example Labour as represented by a future Chancellor known as Gordon Brown in 1990 although their criticisim was that membership didn’t go far enough:

We needed an investment Budget to deal with the problems of training in industry, a Budget that would pave the way for negotiations to enter the European monetary system [ERM], a Budget that would do something about the problems that industry now faces, with investment flat and falling away.

While permission from the UK parliament maybe assured, Cameron also requires unanimity within the European Council as this Parliamentary document makes clear in its conclusions; “…any Treaty revision by means of simplified procedures, and any changes to decision procedures by means of passerelles, will be subject to veto by the Government in the European Council or Council of Ministers.”

Thus initially Cameron has to have the approval of the other 27 member states, via the European Council and then via their own respective individual parliaments as well. Here we can probably expect likely objections to Cameron’s proposal to limit immigration to come from countries such as Poland or Romania both of which have a veto (a proper one unlike a phantom one).

Another difficulty for Cameron is, and one that has always been present, if the UK requests too much then it leads to other countries demanding concessions as well. And has always been the way through the horse trading (and consensus) which typifies EU politics the UK will give up more than it achieves.

So it is more than likely that Cameron’s package will be whittled down to non committal “declarations”, “protocols” and “technicalities”. All accompanied by theatre, marching bands and cheerleaders…but no substance. Wilson’s “New Zealand butter” writ large. All helpfully promoted by our europhile media.

Encouragingly, and somewhat revealingly, while Cameron acknowledged Norway was a part of the single market he did not specifically mention during his speech that it was “governed by fax” which he has been prone to do in the past. This is possibly a new development. And so we wonder if Witterings from Witney’s meeting with Cameron in August on this and other matters (coupled with Owen Paterson’s recent speech) had a far more reaching resonance than we might have fully appreciated. Certainly Cameron has not used the phrase since. Instead he noted:

Those who argue that Norway or Switzerland offer a better model for Britain ignore one crucial fact: they have each had to sign up to the principle of freedom of movement in order to access the single market and both countries actually have far higher per capita immigration than the UK.

Which seems to suggest the Prime Minister knows full well (or has been informed by one of his constituents) that we can have single market access without being members of the EU, thus removing ourselves from the political union baggage which he claims he wants to do. It appears that we are beginning to establish the Norway option within the public debate.

Rather incoherently he then argues that EEA membership is not an acceptable option because it has to sign up to the principle of freedom of movement, but at the same time argues that within the EU and the single market he can negotiate restrictions. A claim that becomes even more absurd when the EEA agreement, under Articles 112-3, allows greater scope to place restrictions on immigration.

And further danger emerges for Cameron that by narrowing his reforms down to one issue he risks alienating those who wish “further and deeper reforms” such as big business represented by the likes of the CBI or members of his own side. It’s also a tacit admission from the Prime Minister that he has somewhat painted himself into a corner – he has nowhere else to go either.

With this in mind we increasingly wonder if Cameron has simply just changed the hooks on which he has impaled himself and in this he is entirely beatable.

 

7 comments:

  1. Being that 2017 in mental terms is now ‘the near future’ it’s reasonable to theorise beyond the Referendum in the case that the contrived terms are sufficient to convince the UK electorate to endorse continued membership.

    Even by voting to remain in, the contradictions and inadequacies of the EU will remain, and the institutions and justifications behind them will continue to decay. Just by voting to stay in won’t make the EU any more coherent or workable – as far as I’m concerned, it will still fall apart in chaos. Those observers who actually know what they’re talking about will highlight that EU membership is still the ultimate resort of the politically insane and the logic to that is to continue the campaign to withdraw.

    I’m sure Cameron thinks he’s being jolly clever by evading the points at hand. After an ‘In’ result, the anti-EU campaign will therefore continue, business as usual.

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  2. Agreed…the EU isn’t finished in terms of its final destination so it is a moving target. This means that issue cannot remain settled while the EU keeps on integrating, especially when we consider the “referendum lock”.

    We can see another example with the Scottish referendum which has failed to silence the debate

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/give-us-a-new-referendum-by-2024-say-two-thirds-of-scots.25747131

     

     
     
  3. Sorry – should really declare identities under ‘Anonymous’ – Douglas Carter as previous post.

    I can’t blame the Scots for taking the opportunistic route – it was a literal insanity freelancing Gordon Brown to change the terms of the referendum half-way through voting – the people sending in a postal vote in advance of Brown’s intervention were voting in a Referendum which no longer existed on the final day. Some observers noted at the time there was no evidence his panicked reaction had any influence on the eventual outcome. Scots Nationalists are entitled to draw exactly the opposite conclusion since an intervention is made quite specifically to influence an outcome.

    I get no self-awareness from the Cameron\Brown\Murphy axis (if you take my point there) that the fault that the Nats’ campaign has not been stalled is entirely down to their own stupidity immediately in front of the finish line.

    That ought to be a lesson for the custodians of the EU Referendum – the whole thing needs to be crystal-clear well in advance of the poll itself – and changing the terms of the debate half way through the Campaign will simply guarantee they settle nothing on a permanent basis.

     

     
     
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  5. Thank you for the mention and link.

    To think that I may have ‘educated’ David Cameron, or made him change his mind – I wish I could be that famous! 🙂

    Cameron’s basic error in all this is that he forgot an old adage: when in hole stop digging.

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  6. You’ve no need to be famous if you’re the power behind the throne 🙂

    On a serious note, it’s obviously hard to quantify influential impact, but it seems to me to be more than coincidence that Cameron has refrained from specifying the “Norway fax” meme ever since.

    In addition he is clearly in league with Open Europe who have ‘tightened’ up their rhetoric on Norway particularly after a press complaint from this blog…

    My observation thus is that your meeting in August had a significant impact.

    And agreed completely on digging holes.

     

     
     
  7. On a notional academic point –

    ‘Cameron has refrained from specifying the “Norway fax” meme’

    …if he has indeed accepted that the myth that Norway has no influence, would it not be the case that any representative of a Government led by him would also need to be slapped down if they themselves continued to make that erroneous claim?

    For example, imagine if his own Deputy Prime Minister carried on using the claim – you’d think Cameron would want to bring him in for a re-briefing, wouldn’t you?

     

     
     
  8. Hi,

    I think not, Cameron has clearly lost control over the lies, distortions and misrepresentations Clegg is now using in the run up to the General Election, as he desperately fights for the life of his party which has been so conclusively trashed by his leadership and the incompetence and dishonesty of his MPs and MEPs.

    We all saw what Clegg’s legacy was in the EU election and we can expect the same whipeout in the General Election as his voters return to their natyural homes as either Tory or Labour.

    Norway’s position has been misrepresented consistently by the main parties and also by the racist claims of Ukip in relation to immigration, where not being in the EU but with the benefit of EEA membership has left Norway and for that matter Switzerland with around twice the levels of immigration that Britain has experienced, despite our Commonwealth affiliations!

    Facts and due dilligence have never been the forte of Ukip and Clegg & Farage would both seem to be willing to make any claim for publicity and self aggrandisement.

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GP-RN: EUReferendum.com Denial Of Service Attack

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GP-RN: EUReferendum.com Denial Of Service Attack

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“The practice of sport is a human right!. Every individual must have the possibility of practicing sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.” –Olympic Charter

There are times when it is reasonable to believe ‘Sport’ is not so much a right but an obligation by diktat!
However boring you may find sport: there are many who derive great vicarious pleasure from watching it – Particularly Women’s Beach Volleyball & Women’s Gymnastics; some even enjoy being a part of a baying mob at football games!

Hi,

ANNOUNCEMENT:

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Thursday 20 November 2014

For nearly 24 hours, the EU Referendum domain has come under massive denial of service (DOS) attack, from servers bearing Chinese IP addresses. All the action we can take is being taken, but there are limits to what can be done to deal with what is a deliberate, malicious attack, directed specifically at EU Ref.

We hope to be up and running soon, but in the meantime please bear with us.

Richard North 20/11/2014

This site will over the next few days publish significant items from Richard’s web site in their support and would ask you to republish as widely as possible.
Richard is still publishing but on a mirror account, many may not find, so PLEASE help them defend against this cowardly and criminal attack being made to try to silence his site.
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Some Thoughts & reports on ‘We Demand A Referendum’

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You will find the poll commissioned by ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign of both interest and of use in achieving our aims.

YouGov Poll: Majority of Public Do Not Trust Cameron on EU.

A YouGov Poll released today by the newly formed We Demand A Referendum Party shows the majority of electorate DO NOT have trust in David Cameron to stand up for British interests in the European Union.

The poll reveals that 54% do not have trust compared to 38% that do.
The same YouGov poll also reveals that the gap between those who wish to see an EU Referendum (62%) widening over those who do not (24%). In a YouGov Poll last month the figures for the same question were 56% to 28% respectively.
Worryingly for David Cameron the poll shows that almost three out of four Conservative voters want a Referendum.
The single issue We Demand A Referendum Party held their inaugural conference in London on Friday issued an ultimatum to the Prime Minister that if he failed to facilitate a In/Out Referendum by 1st January 2014 they would stand in every region in the next European Elections under the banner ‘We Demand A Referendum’ A YouGov Poll last month showed between 16% and 33% of the electorate would vote for them in June 2014 earning them between 8 and 22 seats.
Party Chairman, Nikki Sinclaire MEP said “These results show there is increasing support from across the political spectrum for an EU Referendum – When will the politicians listen to the people?”
The West Midlands MEP added “The economic crisis has changed the ball game in Europe. Fundamental changes are underway, now is the time to decide once and for all which fork in the road to take.”
Sorry – the layout of the tables is near unusable! You will find a more readable version on You Gov’s web site!
YouGov Survey Results
Sample Size: 2083 GB Adults
Fieldwork: 3rd – 4th October 2012
  Voting intention 2010 Vote Gender Age Social grade Region
Total Con Lab Lib Dem Con Lab Lib Dem Male Female 18-24 25-39 40-59 60+ ABC1 C2DE London Rest of South Midlands / Wales North Scotland
Weighted Results 2083 484 694 147 615 508 496 1012 1071 252 531 712 587 1187 896 267 677 446 512 181
Unweighted Sample 2083 532 608 130 689 446 488 1030 1053 117 479 848 639 1397 686 253 733 427 487 183
% % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % % %
Do you think the government should or should not hold a referendum on whether or not Britain remains a member of the European Union?
Should 62 72 58 42 76 61 50 62 61 34 53 67 74 57 68 58 61 64 63 60
Should Not 24 19 29 45 15 28 38 29 19 40 28 21 18 29 19 30 25 22 20 29
Don’t know 14 9 13 13 9 11 13 8 20 27 19 11 8 14 14 12 14 14 16 11
How much trust, if any, to you have in David Cameron to stand up for British interests in the European Union.
A great deal of trust 6 20 1 4 13 1 5 6 5 7 7 6 5 8 3 7 8 4 5 6
A fair amount of Trust 32 61 18 54 49 17 38 35 30 31 39 31 29 38 25 35 37 32 26 31
TOTAL GREAT DEAL / FAIR AMOUNT OF TRUST 38 81 19 58 62 18 43 41 35 38 46 37 34 46 28 42 45 36 31 37
Not much trust 30 15 36 33 25 33 35 29 31 32 26 29 35 28 33 36 32 29 30 22
No trust at all 24 1 41 5 9 44 17 27 21 16 17 28 28 19 31 16 18 26 33 27
TOTAL NOT MUCH TRUST / NO TRUST 54 16 77 38 34 77 52 56 52 48 43 57 63 47 64 52 50 55 63 49
Don’t Know 7 2 5 3 3 5 5 3 12 14 11 6 2 7 7 6 5 9 7 14

I have reposted below the report from Gary Cartwright of the actual meeting/conference for two reasons – namely that he was there as part of the organisation and secondly as he is well informed as a long term employee of The EU.

Saturday, 6 October 2012

Campaign for a Referendum: Conference a Great Success!

Its always nice to spend a couple of days in London, even if it is a working visit.

On Thursday evening I was delighted to meet Katie Hopkins for the first time: she is absolutely the right person for the campaign, as her media appearences to date have proved. We were joined at dinner at the Victory Services Club by Nikki and a number of senior members of the team, and also Roger Knapman and his wife Carolyn, as well as former Lib-Dem councillor David McGrath and his wife, both of whom I know from the campaign to clear an illegal travellers camp in Meriden. The cross-party demographics of this campaign team give us both integrity and depth.

But the real reason for the trip was our inaugural conference in Westminster. The day began with Katie appearing on ITN’s Daybreak, and by the end of the first round of speakers we were on the front page of the BBC news website. Christian Party Leader George Hargreaves, and the US broadcaster and political analyst Charlie Wolf both gave excellent speeches, adding depth to the debate on our membership of the EU and what it means for our democratic integrity.

It was a chance to catch up with old friends from various parties, including one Conservative MEP, and to meet new people.

No surprise that UKIP had at least two spotters outside, reporting back on who was attending – I suspect that a few people will be getting some unpleasant phone calls or letters from their branch chairman shortly!

Two motions were passed by conference: the first calling on HMG to establish a Royal Commission to set the terms of reference for the referendum, the second calling on the PM to call a binding referendum before Jan 1st 2014.

A great success!

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I gather from several people who were there that the inagural conference surpassed most expectations in terms of its cross party contribution, its disinterest in UKIP, seen by many as having failed and now discreditted sliding towards the history books as such, and also my contacts were pleasantly surprised at the calliber of the speeches and presentations which at many such events are all too frequently too slick, too smug and too banal delivering nothing.I am fairly reliably informed the attendance was just over 70, which although shy of the 100 I had hope for was a successful result for such short term and also in the light of the childish attacks that have so demeaned UKIP!

I note that the Tory defector and UKIP turncoat David Bannerman was present, presumably having quit the Tories due to his failure and having been put in place in Farage’s party as an MEP in the apparent realisation that he was singularly unlikely to be re-elected having seen through the corruption of UKIP he defected back to the Tories and now having realised the Tories select their prospective MEP lists rather more fairly and with considerably more integrity than UKIP he stood little chance of being above 4th. or 5th. on the list and thus not a hope of being re-elected.

It seems probable that David Bannerman was looking for a new place to hang his hat and some prospect of getting back on the gravy train with his snout in the troughs that are The EU.

It was interesting to see Tony Schofield there but as yet he still seems not to have been fully weened of his love affair with UKIP which though it has turned sour leaves him in hope over experience.

I do endorse the decision and commend to you the fact that liars and low lifes Mick McGough and John Moran were made unwelcome and asked not to enter the meeting – they have shown in much detail their lack of ethics and dishonesty and clearly had nothing to offer the new organisation and would have proved a distraction and an embarrassment as they do in UKIP.

I gather McGough is not in favour at the moment having opposed the decision of Nigel Farage and Lisa Duffy to place the idiotic and discreditted self seeker Winston McKenzie in the key role – a more obvious political prostitute and self seeker would be hard to find anywhere but in the ranks of UKIP leadership’s claque.

Imagine if UKIP ever gained any position of authority how odious it would be – the centralised denial of any sense of democratic ethics, the McCarthy style infiltration of other people’s organisations, the keeping and making of lists of attendees, the odious bigots given status in UKIP, the prostitutes, the drunken yobbery, the corruption, the controlling nature, the centralised dictatorship and so many more anti democratic actions and controlling beliefs – They call it Libertarian!!!

Let us hope that the We Demand A Referendum moves forward from this limited success to greater things, which as the polls show are both populist and popular.
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North & The Spectator on a ‘Floundering Farage’ & UKIP

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Richard warns of his views on Referendum considering it in isolation!

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it is interesting to note just howmany people in their condemnation of a referendumand its risks so consistently fail to show that there is a methodology to improve the fairness of such referendum.A Referendum will be lost if taken in narrow isolation – I have little doubt of that.

We must always ensure that any referendum is held AFTER a Royal Commission is held, which will be charged with not just a cost benefit study of our membership of The EU and of our leaving with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘.

I am sufficiently certain that a Royal Commission would act responsibly to inform the electorate in detail for a full, fair, evenly funded and evenly promoted referendum that I am happy to say that in its Exit & Survival Strategy it will surely promote the strategy of use of Article 50 as our strategy for exit.

The idiocy of permitting a referendum on government terms without a Royal Commission and with no sound Exit & Survival Strategy disregarding Article 50 would be crass, suicidal and irresponsible.

That we have a need for an Harrogate Agenda or similar is just as indesputable as to move on using the 19th. century style of governance into the 21st. Century will merely lead to the next foolish scam or social engineering as with the oh so arcane, undemocratic and Victorian style concepts of The EU.

Consider, in your study of the concepts and to add balance Richard North’s comments which follow, comments which I incline to support in the context of overlooking the details I have annotated so far:


 EU Referendum: foundering Farage

Saturday 22 September 2012

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“I think we’ve proved that we are a serious party that cares about a lot more than just Europe”, says Harold James, an active UKIP member from Weston-super-Mare, veteran of nine conferences.

Predictably, though, the Spectator is less than impressed, accusing a “Floundering Farage” of struggling a little once “away from his hobby horse of a European Union Referendum”. But, had the magazine been on the ball, it could have observed that Farage was struggling even when riding his hobby horse.

That is the only conclusion one can draw from his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet. His knowledge about the mechanics if the EU was always slight, but in this production he demonstrates that he has not added significantly to his knowledge in the ten years since I worked across a desk from him.

If this was simply a matter of a vainglorious party leader doing what politicians so often do – displaying his ignorance – it would not matter so much. But, as even the Spectator concedes, we are almost certainly looking at a referendum in the not too distant future.

Rigged though it may be – and we could hardly expect otherwise – I have to believe that this referendum is winnable, and that we can successfully deliver a “withdraw from the EU” message to our masters. With contributions such as Farage’s, though, we are set to lose.

To understand why, it is helpful to go back to the debate we were having on Article 50, where we argued that we need to take advantage of the negotiation process offered to draw up a relationship with the EU before finally cutting the knot.

Amongst those who disagreed with this stance was Nigel Farage, one of many who believe that we can unilaterally abrogate the treaties and then expect the “colleagues” to sit down and negotiate with us, without there being any penalty from such action.

Until now, quite how Farage managed to believe that this could be a penalty-free option has escaped me. But, if it is his settled belief that a free trade area can be set up with “a blank piece of paper“, then it is unsurprising that he sets such little store on negotiation – there is only a blank sheet of paper to agree. And that attitude is what is going to lose us the referendum.

The reason why this will happen is because Farage and his supporters are preparing, in an utterly cavalier fashion, to ditch the “single market”, that iconic property which legend has it was breathed into life by the Dragon Queen herself, Margaret Thatcher.

Yet, examine David Cameron’s rhetoric on the European Union and you will notice the emphasis is almost entirely on preserving this mythical beast. To threaten it with extinction is to invite unrestrained enmity from the entire Tory tribe and give hostage to fortune to the other side.

And that is only part of it. The “single market” effectively comprises a huge body of EU law – directives, regulations and decisions – alongside thousands of meticulously crafted standards, which together binds the corporate world and protects it from the cold winds of competition, mainly from small and medium businesses.

Anyone who believes that big business doesn’t like regulation simply knows nothing about big business. As noted in our forum, “complex regulatory structures are a significant barrier to entry, and dominant firms that can afford large compliance departments often lobby for such regulation which prevents the entry of upstart firms”.

And, in their enthusiasm for more and more law, the corporates are the natural partners to the EU. If their precious body of law is threatened by a “no” vote in a referendum, they will pour massive funding into any “yes” campaign.

The best we can possibly hope for from the corporates is their neutrality, which could only be secured – of at all – by assurances that their “single market” is kept intact.

On the other hand, the genius of the EU is the way it has hijacked trade regulation and harnessed it in the service of political integration. In promoting our exit from the EU, therefore, we have to detach the corpus of standards and trade agreements from the community acquis and give it an independent identity.

This, to my mind, is one of the greatest challenges confronting the “outers” in any referendum campaign. It is also one I believe we can deal with by negotiating continued EEA membership – thus keeping the single market intact for at the very least a transitional period, while we sort out better, long-term arrangements.

Whatever might actually be decided though, we cannot afford to ignore the single market, or the rent-seekers who gain so much benefit from it. Allowing a “floundering Farage” to set the pace here would then be to invite a foundering campaign. Protect the single market, or we lose.

COMMENT: “FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT” THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU Referendum: fighting the good fight

Saturday 22 September 2012

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There is a joke amongst economists, Nigel Farage tells us in his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet, that a real free trade agreement can be illustrated by holding up a blank piece of paper.

That, he avers, is because if trade is genuinely free, there are no regulations to follow or tariffs to pay but business people and traders can get on without hindrance or interference in doing business and creating wealth.

Thus, in principle, we are told, “to create a single market or free trade area is incredibly easy if you know what you are doing and think it through. It merely requires an absence of restriction, most easily achieved by the progressive – or instant – dismantling and removal of all existing barriers and tariffs”.

Unfortunately, a regulation-free market is neither desirable nor acceptable, and if this presented as UKIP’s objective for Britain once we leave the EU, it will simply invite the hostility (and derision) of those who understand why much of the regulation at present in force must remain.

One can, or course, make a case of the removal of tariffs and also non-tariff barriers, but it is important to realise how important well-crafted regulation is to international trade.

This can be well illustrated addressing the problems of a banana importer, based in London, buying from growers everywhere in the world to supply wholesale and retail customers throughout Europe.

In the nature of things, the quality of the product will vary and with it price. It has thus long been the sensible habit of shippers to use grading schemes – a common language between buyer and seller – so that the nature of any transaction is fully understood.

This does make sense. Our putative buyer, who might decide to purchase a load from Jamaica, may wish to order Grade A bananas, sight unseen. And, as long as an agreed grading scheme is applied, he will know exactly what to expect for his money.

There could be problems, though, if he wished to buy Grade A bananas from Costa Rica and that country operated a different grading scheme. National authorities in some countries could even give their exporters a price advantage by setting more relaxed standards, while still allowing produce to be called Grade A, to the detriment of buyer and consumer.

More complications arise if different consumer countries dictate their own specific standards, thus leaving our putative importer being able to buy produce from one country which he can then sell in some countries but not others. Thus, each country having different standards – whether producer or consumer – is a recipe for chaos.

On that basis, it makes absolute sense to have international standards.for commodities which are traded internationally. And for them to work, they must be common standards that are known and recognised by buyers and sellers alike.

Such standards are not in any way a restraint on trade – quite the reverse. When properly and sensitively crafted, they facilitate trade and are seen, overall, as beneficial. As such, they are a necessary precursor to free trade. Clearly, that applies here with South African bananas.

This being the case, it is unsurprising that many commodity standards pre-date EU regulations. In fact, much of the current EU legislation for agricultural produce is based on a British model developed long before we joined the EEC. Even in the land of the free, the United States, agricultural produce for inter-state commerce was being regulated as early as 1880.

Nor is it a surprise that much regulation is actively sought after by the trade itself. Take meat safety, for instance. Few people realise that official inspection did not become compulsory in this country until 1963 yet, for decades before that, producers had voluntarily paid for inspection as a measure to improve consumer confidence in their products.

And when, in 1964, the Six in the then EEC imposed mandatory inspection of imported meat, to be carried out at the point of slaughter, the system was based on a regime developed by the British. It had been imposed in response to the Aberdeen typhoid outbreak, which had been linked to Argentinean corned beef, again to promote confidence in international trade.

The important thing, therefore, is not the absence of regulation, but the right sort of regulation – sufficient for the purpose and not too onerous – applied only where it is needed. Where the EU most often went wrong was (and is) in applying export standards to internal trade or – where grading regulations was applied – prohibiting trade in ungraded produce. 

 
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To an extent, this is being addressed, with the EU progressively relaxing standards (allowing misshapen fruit and vegetables), so some of the the issues that Farage raise in his pamphlet have less force anyway.

That aside, regulation does not only apply to goods, but also services such as air travel. Here for instance, if we look at requirements for commercial aviation, we see minimum regulations applied to the equipment required by airliners to enable them to land in reduced visibility conditions.

Knowing Farage’s intimate acquaintance with aviation safety, one suspects he would not want to see such regulations removed or weakened. Would he really be happy with a blank piece of paper when it came to his flying to Strasbourg to pick up his expenses?

Thus, the real issue is that, even if reduced, a huge tranche of trade regulation will remain. It cannot be wished away. We thus have to find a way of dealing with the continuing process of adding, modifying and adapting trade regulations while outside the EU yet still trading with its member states.

In this context, to pretend that we can live without trade regulation is not helpful to the cause. We need more sophisticated arguments to carry the doubters, coming up with real world solutions that demonstrate our understanding of the realities of modern international trade. Farage’s fluff simply isn’t good enough.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU referendum: delaying the inevitable

Friday 21 September 2012

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Farage put his finger on the Cameron dilemma this morning, pointing to the Conservative leader’s credibility gap when it comes to promising a referendum.

Talking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, he said that he would only consider making a deal if it was “written in blood” that there would be a[n in-out] referendum on Britiain’s EU membership.

What was not raised though – not here or in an earlier programme – is how different the political landscape will look in 2014 when the euro-elections are due to be held. Thus, although Farage consistently claims rising support for his party, he and his followers may be disappointed when it comes to the elections.

Not least, the much lauded poll ratings consistently fail to materialise as votes in real elections.

For instance, in one recent council by-election, Canterbury City – Blean Fores, the Conservatives took 342, Labour 185, Lib-Dem 121, Green 64, UKIP 38 and Independent 24. Cornwall County – St Keverne and Meneage, had the Tories on 585, Lib-Dems 279, UKIP 141 and Labour increasing to 52 (from 33 in June 2009). Scarborough Borough – Esk Valley gave the Tories 606 votes, Independent 151 (down from 417 in May 2011), Labour 87 and UKIP 35.

So consistent is this experience that one can discount the UKIP election hyperbole. And, to make matters worse, there is recently another factor in play. As the Independent reports, in all the recent by-elections, both Labour and Conservatives scored “landslide gains” at the expense of independents.

We may thus be seeing precisely that which we have seen in Germany and in the recent Dutch elections – the classic small-party squeeze, which is so often apparent when times are uncertain. And where the UK election is shaping up for a battle between two unpopular personalities, perversely, that tendency might be accentuated.

In recent years, however, the euro-elections have obeyed their own rules, and Farage might confidently expect a good showing for UKIP in 2014. But again there is another factor at play: Barroso has committed to publishing proposals for a new treaty before the euro-elections. With the commission president determined to make this an EU election issue, electioneering could be sufficiently transformed to make it mainstream – to the detriment of UKIP.

With Cameron planning a major speech on European policy next month, he may well take the opportunity then to commit to a referendum, contingent or renegotiations arising out of the treaty process, essentially marginalising UKIP and its pretender, the “We demand a referendum” party.

Here, the Conservatives are in a much stronger position, as polls on EU sentiment tend to show that the renegotiation option (however unrealistic) is popular with the voters, and Cameron can rely on the “referendum lock” to demonstrate his good faith. He does not need to make a promise “written in blood”, he may say, when it is written into an Act of Parliament.

This does not stop speculation elsewhere about electoral pacts with UKIP, from the usual ill-informed suspects, who currently don’t seem to understand that the chances of a referendum before 2016 are slight. In all probability, we are looking at 2017 or beyond.

Those, like Nikki Sinclair’s little party – which has dreams of a referendum in 2014 – clearly fail to realise that Cameron can use for an alibi, active engagement in EU negotiations. No sensible person could expect a referendum while negotiations are still in progress.

To that extent, also, the Tory europlastics are beginning to outflank the “outers”. Knowing that renegotiation is more popular with the public than the straight “out” option, they have concentrated their firepower where success is most likely. That could well leave Farage and his supporters stranded, being faced with fighting a referendum in the distant future for which they are singularly ill-prepared.

The “outer” fraternity thus looks doomed to get what it wished for. And unless Farage stops whingeing about how the contest might be rigged, and starts working out how to win the referendum we’re going to get, rather than the one UKIP wants, the wish granted could prove his nemesis.

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 Politics: another one doesn’t get it

Friday 21 September 2012

Lamenting the decline of political parties, a Failygraph hack still believes there is a remedy. “The answer is fairly simple”, he writes, “To recover, political leaders need to come up with radical and original ideas that enough people think are worth supporting”. The man simply doesn’t get it. If they could have done so, they would already have done so. They cannot, because it is not in their nature. But, if you want radical and original ideas, they are there, in the Harrogate Agenda. And that rather illustrates why political parties must continue declining – together with their cheerleaders in the media.

However, not all is lost. The man at least understands that we are now the mainstream. “No matter who wins the next election, it is likely that abstainers will outnumber those voting for the winning party”, he writes. But that has been the case for a long time. Why is it taking them so long to realise? 

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Richard North 21/09/2012



 EU referendum: strategy is the problem

Thursday 20 September 2012

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In a well-judged intervention, Cranmer tells us that the Eurosceptic “movement” (if it be) is fundamentally a clash of gargantuan egos, none of whom will deign to co-operate or collaborate with their co-eurosceptics, principally out of a lack of trust, belief or respect.

So, His Grace tells us, with a referendum on the next EU treaty looming – and, as sure as night follows day, it is coming – please don’t expect political coherence or campaigning strategy from the Conservatives, UKIP, the Democracy Movement, the Campaign for United Kingdom Conservatism, Better off Out, Campaign for an Independent Britain, the Freedom Association, or the Liberty League.

Frankly, he says, you have more hope of persuading a Wahhabi Sunni to sup with an Ahmadiyyan and plant the cornerstone of a new mosque. If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand: the referendum may already be lost.

Hesitant as one is to disagree with His Grace, one has to say that he is wrong. This is not a matter of egos, gargantuan or otherwise, but of strategy. Egos we could cope with. The more profound differences over strategy are far more problematical.

Courtesy of Witterings from Witney, we see demonstrated precisely the point in the recent adjournment debate led by Tory MP Andrea Leadsom.

This is a woman who is determined that we should “renegotiate our EU membership – to remain within the EU but to have our absolutely best attempt at renegotiating a relationship that works for Britain, with full and free access to all EU assets, but without being hampered in a global world by EU regulation”. What she wants, she tells us, is “fundamental reform”.

No red-blooded eurosceptic could begin to agree with such a europlastic view, but within the debate there was also David Nuttall, Tory MP for Bury North. As chairman of the Lords and Commons “Better Off Out” group, he wants us to repatriate all powers from the EU.

We would have no difficulty in accepting this desirable objective, except that Nuttall does not think we are likely to be given the choice of an in-out referendum. He thinks we are more likely to get an in/in referendum: the choice of the status quo – staying in as we are now or staying in with 17/20, 18/20 or 19/20 of the status quo and repatriating a few powers.

The trouble is, as Leadsom points out, while a July 2012 YouGov survey had 48 percent wanting to pull out and 31 percent wanting to stay in the EU, if a new deal was renegotiated, the poll suggests that people would vote in a completely different way. Most – 42-34 percent – would vote to stay in the EU.

This is the eurosceptic nightmare: a referendum offering not the in-out option but the “reform-out” option. This would be very hard to win. Strategy becomes absolutely vital.

Then, as WfW reminds us, there is the Lilley point: during a referendum campaign, on average there is a 17 percent swing back in favour of the status quo. This means it is necessary to start with a 34 percent lead for change to have a 50 percent chance of winning. Starting with roughly half of people being in favour of leaving and a third in favour of staying would result in a vote to remain in the EU.

Problematically, though, our people are not thinking strategically. Under these circumstances, the Minford idea of unilateral withdrawal, followed by negotiation, would be a disaster. The uncertainties would drive voters into the EU camp.

Yet, despite the potential for disaster, this is the preferred UKIP option, and the guardians of the message are quick to stamp on dissident thought. There is no debate in this “outer” fraternity. You either conform with the approved message or you are consigned to outer darkness as a “traitor”. 

 
Nor is there any recognition of the “Stokes precept”, from Richard Stokes, the Labour MP for Ipswich, who on 15 October 1940 told the House of Commons in a debate on war aims that it “… is no use fighting for a negative object. You must have a positive one, and the sooner that [is] stated the better”. To gain a broader acceptance from the majority of the population that we should leave the EU, we must be able to offer a positive object. Simply to fight on the negative one of leaving the EU is not enough. And just to argue for a referendum, without the first idea of how you would win it, is suicide.

Those who refuse to accept this, who robustly argue simply for unilateral withdrawal and expect the nation to rally to that cause, are part of the problem – as much as those like Leadsom, who are arguing for “fundamental reform”. Egos really don’t matter. It cannot be emphasised enough that what counts is strategy.

Sadly, while the old saw, “divided we fall” may be true, uniting behind the wrong strategy could be just as fatal. We thus face the prospect of “united we fall, divided we fall”. Even so, there is time yet to mend our ways. We should take the opportunity while we can, if we can.

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Richard North 20/09/2012

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Media coverage round-up for We Demand A Referendum

It has been a very busy few days following the media announcement of the new political movement – We Demand A Referendum.

Here are a few links to stories about this new exciting development

Public Service Europe New Anti-EU party launches in the UK http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/2470/new-anti-eu-political-party-launches-in-uk

Daily Star APPRENTICE STAR KATIE HOPKINS FIGHTS FOR EU VOTE
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/272758/Apprentice-star-Katie-Hopkins-fights-for-EU-vote-/

TheParliament.com MEP heralds ‘breakthrough’ in campaign on Britain’s EU membership
http://www.theparliament.com/latest-news/article/newsarticle/mep-heralds-breakthrough-in-campaign-on-britains-eu-membership/#.UFeswq6wDAA

Sunday Mercury West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire to set up new anti-EU party
http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/09/16/west-midlands-mep-nikki-sinclaire-to-set-up-new-anti-eu-party-66331-31842925/

The Sun on Sunday EU Vote Party takes on Cameron
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4541420/EU-vote-party-takes-on-Cameron.html

Express NEW PUSH FOR VOTE TO EXIT EU
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/346516/New-push-for-vote-to-exit-EU

New Europe New ‘EU Referendum Party’ puts pressure on UK PM
http://www.neurope.eu/article/new-eu-referendum-party-puts-pressure-uk-pm

Birmingham Mail West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire launches new anti-EU party
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2012/09/18/west-midlands-mep-nikki-sinclaire-launches-new-anti-eu-party-97319-31854183/#ixzz26paDw5bY

Politics Home Anti-EU party set up to fight Tories
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/29411/

AND:

another PRESS RELEASE has been distributed and early indications are that it will be used in a number of newspapers:

POLITICAL renegade Nikki Sinclaire MEP has launched a new party in an attempt to force the UK government to hold a referendum on Europe.
 

The 44-year-old rebel has launched the “We Demand A Referendum” movement with the sole manifesto of forcing a straight In-Out decision on the UK’s membership of the EU.
 

It comes on the heels of a startling YouGov opinion poll which revealed more than half of Britons wanted a referendum.
 
“Call me a defector, call me a revolutionary, call me what you will – I’m simply following the will of the people who are demanding a referendum on Europe,” declared the Midlands MEP.
 

“This isn’t simply a new political party – this is movement– and it is one that David Cameron and the whole of Westminster must listen to, because we are speaking for the people.”
 

Sinclaire has delivered two petitions with 220,000 signatures to Number 10 – the most recent being only last week with the names of 100,000 people backing the call for some decision-making over the UK being in the European Union.
 

The MEP, who defected from the UK Independence Party to stand independently, was joined outside Number 10 by former The Apprentice star Katie Hopkins who will be enlisted as one of the first to stand as a We Demand A Referendum candidate in the 2014 elections.
 

It is expected the movement will have candidates for all 73 UK seats.
 
“The government is frightened of asking the question of whether we want to be in Europe or not because they are afraid of the answer they may receive from the British public,” said Mrs Hopkins.

The coverage so far has been excellentm as has been the feedback from all except those who already earn their livings from our membership of the EU at the expense of the British tax payers, or hope to hop on the gravy train and get their snouts in the trough!

There are petty and utterly irrelevant attacks from these sad people who are in some cases miffed at not being invited as founder members or those who are riding other ‘band wagons’ or fence sitting with comments like ‘it will all be over in six months’ or trying desperately to belittle the incredible success Nikki Sinclaire and her team have had, both in getting almost 1/4 Million signatures and in getting the clear support of The Sun with both favourable articles and editorial support and praise.

Not to mention having already forced the government to hold a full debate on IN / OUT and a referendum already despite the spoiler efforts of copy cats and the efforts to demean her for having shown up their ineptitude, indollence and corruption.

I was amused to see the pornographer Paul Desmond on the one hand sacking his Irish manager for having capitalised, for him, on the childish and tasteless rather bad long range snaps of The Dutchess of Cambridge dishonestly (criminally) obtained by some low life in the meeeja whilst his sad little journalist on The Express, angles for his own place on the gravy train, by taking the UKIP’s desperate line surprises no one – well after all he is speaking at UKIP’s meeting this weekend (eg. CLICK HERE as are others who have expressed a desire to join the new campaign after the weekend!).

The message is simple and clearly there is no wish to be yet another tedious little party with a rag bag of so called policies that will NEVER be implemented.

The new organisatiopn delivers EXACTLY what it says on the tin – a ‘Campaign to hold a referendum’, a clear statement that ‘The referendum MUST follow a Royal Commission to ascertain the exact cost benefits of membership of The EU and the benefits and cost of leaving versus stying and THEN a referendum on a free, fair, equally funded, campaign based on the facts provided by the Royal Commission with equal media time, even from the State Broadcast & propaganda machinery of The BBC and others.

Let us never forget the huge bias of the media brought about by the irrefutable fact that The Government is not only in control but is also Britain’s largest supplier of leaks and stories but also the Country’s largest single advertiser able to manipulate the meeeja.

Any attempt to hold a referendum by any given political party announced now will of course be just a desperate effort to seize control from the electorate for their own gain and save face – we all know that 71% of the British electorate do not trust their own politicians relative to The EU.

We also had the misfortune of seeing the Irish peoples resoundingly betrayed by their own politicians and massively abused by the EU and its bullying propaganda lie machine!

There will be many attempts to sabotage this initiative by those working on behalf of The EU but do not forget that in a democracy one should ‘LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE’ and already we know that the majority of the electorate want an informed debate and a free, fair and unmanipulated referendum on IN / OUT relative to Britain’s undemocratic and anti Constitutional EU membership.

I note Liam Fox & The Express have jumped on the band wagon Nikki Sinclaire launched in The Sun the Express said:
“The first party to come out and say that will earn the respect of voters. What are they all frightened of?” Meanwhile, independent Euro-MP Nikki Sinclaire yesterday confirmed plans for a new “We Demand a Referendum” party to fight every UK seat at the 2014 Euro-elections unless Mr Cameron offers an in-out vote.

In all fairness they did then state that they were following rather than leading and that the new campaign had rather stolen a march on any other attempts to catch-up when they said:

Former Apprentice contestant Katie Hopkins is lined up as a candidate in the South-west.

Her new party presents a headache for Mr Cameron, who will remember the damage inflicted on the Tories in 1997 by Sir James Goldsmith’s Referendum Party.

There are and have been others trying to build mailing lists and set up data bases using a referendum ‘claim’ to further their ambitions but none, other than Nikki Sinclaire’s team have ever delivered anything of any note despite using large amounts of public money, as with the fake campaign/petition by UKIP which failed to account for the £1/4 Million of tax payers money they seemingly trousered or the various back stabbing antics of ‘The peoples pledge’ and similar started off by Bridget Rowe and James Pryor with the funding of Toby Blackwell but eventually sabotaged by the actions of various Judas Goats The full details can be found at: CLICK HERE)

You will note the efforts at sabotage, that so clearly assisted the EU, and that Team Sinclaire refused to get involved in the selfish in fighting and continued to campaign right across Britain with her team, her ad vans and the only petition to date to deliver on the issue!

Edward Heath and his cronies lied and duped the peoples of Britain to allegedly vote for ratification of the Treaty of Rome and a Trading Relationship in the EUropean Economic Community and never since as they have sold out the people and our democracy with lies at OUR cost has there been any mandate granted by the peoples for the unlawful surrender of OUR democracy to a foreign and totally alien system of committee dictatorship centralised in the EU.

IF Britain is a democracy this new campaign will ensure a Royal Commission and an informed debate followed by a fully funded referendum on an agreed choice NOT some hole in the corner scam as organised by Heath etc. and warned against by Enoch Powell in detail on 25-Feb-1970 in Parliament see CLICK HERE

Yes of course there are risks in holding a Referendum and clearly the biggest risk is in EU propaganda and the lies and duplicity of our  own enemy within – our own politicians and civil servants who have shown time and again that on issues related to The EU they are all too willing to lie, cheat and steal!

The other great risk is in doing nothing, as increasingly OUR country spins out of control to the malign spin of The EU – Hence a Royal Commission followed by an independent, free, fair and equally funded and promoted referendum is Britain’s best hope.

Without hard work and honest effort we may still loose, but Team Sinclaire has seized the nettle and shown us all the way forward, and for that, even if they eventually fail (which I believe unlikely), we ALL owe them a debt of gratitude and the political elite should now fear the electorate, rather than the electorate be in awe and fear of them, as has increasingly been the case in the ever more out of control police state they have been trying to build, for their own glory!

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