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UKIP’s Ashford Scam Made Someone Around £350K Minimum NOT UKIP!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/04/2014

UKIP’s Ashford Scam Made Someone Around £350K Minimum NOT UKIP!
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UKIP’s Ashford Scam Made Someone Around £350K Minimum NOT UKIP! Nigel Farage clearly claimed that Ashford made over £400K yet in response to Richard Suchorzewski Farage’s chosen Chairman David Bannerman confirmed less than 15% ever reached UKIP!

Well may the liar and scoundrel John Moran hang his head in shame and decline to comment!

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Call centre ‘hounded’ members

John Moran, an Ashford call centre founder, declined to comment
John Moran, an Ashford call centre founder, declined to comment

Billy Kenber and Alexi Mostrous
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Ukip’s call centre, set up in 2003 in a former bookmaker’s office near Ashford station in Kent, has been described by Nigel Farage as the “single most successful thing Ukip has ever done”.
It was designed to raise funds and bolster the party’s support, and Mr Farage has said it raised at least £400,000 and doubled Ukip’s membership.
Staff worked from the phone numbers of people who had contacted local Ukip offices, canvassing supporters and soliciting donations. However, it was the source of controversy over its “aggressive telephone manner” and high running costs.
“It caused all sorts of rows on the national executive,” Martin Haslam, a former Ukip branch treasurer, said.
Officials complained that the staff — telesales professionals who had no allegiance to the party and were paid by commission — hounded members with requests to stump up more and more cash.
Ian Gillman, a former member of Ukip’s national executive committee, said concerns about the centre’s “aggressive telephone tactics in raising money” had been raised by the committee. “There was this constant call for money, we would constantly get letters from Farage and the leadership. I was asking where was the money going. We couldn’t get any straight answers.”
Tony Ellwood, a former regional organiser who became a researcher to Derek Clark, MEP, said: “They were so assertive with the membership that many members actually resigned.”
He said they also told members that their money would end up with their local regional branch but claimed that this did not happen.
In 2005 the party’s internal magazine carried an article acknowledging that “when the Ashford call centre first opened, it is fair to say it was the centre of some controversy within Ukip”.
The centre was closed after three years when Douglas Campbell-Bannerman, then the party’s deputy leader, found that high running costs meant that only 15 per cent of donated funds were paid over.
He said he felt that it “was bleeding the party dry”.

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The Lies & Odious Behaviour of Derek Clark & UKIP Members

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/07/2013

The Lies & Odious Behaviour of Derek Clark & UKIP Members
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The Lies & Odious Behaviour of Derek Clark & UKIP Staff, Members and some of its cowardly staff & supporters too ashamed to put their names to their cyber dishonesties & opinions!!

 

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having been in contact with Tony Ellwood and others involved at the time I can confirm that his report of the despicable behaviour of UKIP and its representatives and of the proven liars Derek Clark
Derek Clark, MEP

and Don Ransome

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are largely correct and as Tony Ellwood has published today, under the name ‘Tiquipaya’:

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Those who are quick to offer scorn and ridicule on others,


are often slow to appreciate their equal right to justice and a fair


hearing. Can I use that as the basis for my explanation?


I had two encounters with the Police, both of which were very


harmful to me, and both were the result of the endeavours of


staff employed by Derek Clark MEP. On the first occasion the


Police arrived at my pied-a-terre, an address which I did not use


for purposes of mail and electoral registration, but only casual


occupation for my convenience of employment. It was about 8,am


and some eight Police arrived with a battering ram. I told them that


force was not necessary, for I had done nothing wrong and would co-operate


wholly with them. I was taken to a local Police station and held for about


10-12 hours while they searched my address and removed whatever they chose.


At the end of that time I was not charged, or cautioned or advised to live a more


innocent life. They had received a call to Crime-Stoppers which was wholly devoid


of truth. That was a fearful and humiliating experience, and one from which I have not


wholly recovered. A few days previously one of Mr Clark’s staff warned me to expect


a visit from the Police, and that proved to be the case. Following the event, I telephoned


Mr Clark, and he sneeringly said that it could have been UKIP.


That was to be just the first interest that the Police were to take in me. A report was


passed to the Police that I was transferring capital from the bank account of an elderly


relative and depositing it into another. The Police visited that elderly relatives care home,


and I was able to fully explain the situation. Acting with the power of attorney, I was not


only entitled to make those transfers, but was required to do so. That was to ensure my


relative had security of residence. I was soon to holiday in Bolivia, and I was anxious to


clear doubts that the Police may have had. They told me that they were fully satisfied,


as the home confirmed the financial arrangement which involved me. Whilst in Bolivia,


contacts with the Police informed me that all their enquiries had ceased. It later transpired


that the Police informant had been an employee of Mr Clark, and that name remains on the


investigation file.


Why should that have happened to me? I had been a faithful member and paid employee of


UKIP for some 15 years. The late Geoffrey Kingscott, UKIP General Secretary, had assigned to


me that task of analysing the national account. I reported to him that concerns were justified


and more investigations were needed. I was to encounter immediate difficulties, which finally


resulted in my employment being terminated. If Mr Clark feels that he is being harshly


treated, he is welcome to provide his version of events to the Police or HMRC.


Why should I have to have these falsehood resurrected on the BDF in recent times? They were false


at the time, and that remains the position.Without a blemish on my good name, I am not prepared


to be harmed further by those postings which were published on the BDF. I have written both privately


and through an ‘open letter’ to Mr Butcher. All has been ignored. May I again ask that he provides those


postngs from Mr Pain and Mr Ransome? He can do it privately to me, or through any Police or statutory


agency. This is not a game, but a serious matter which he appears prepared to ignore.

We then hear from too particularly odious fools ‘Independent UKIP’ and ‘FKEU’ both too ashamed of their sneering publishings and distortions to put their names to their cowardly and ill informed opinions.

Ian Gillman would seem to have the measure of them:

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FKEU : You are an utter fool. Utterly pointless. You were not, and
have never been part of matters. You do however, unfortunately; have a
computer.


The NEC are ” jointly and severally liable “.


I was the only member of that NEC to actually attempt to do something. No person supported me.


I was not prepared to be arrogantly and violently threatened with a
requirement for silence ( in contempt of court ) whilst being” jointly
and severally liable ” for what was explained, and other matters that I
knew were going on. Tom Wise MEP impacts here.


Subsequent to me, Messers Edmund, Abbot and Young found themselves challenged in a similar manner.


It is interesting to recall the circumstances around events at the NEC
with Dr Eric Edmund, and Mr Derek Clark MEP the former national
secretary.


Mr Clark does enjoy particularly interesting summer holidays.


Following his return from this years travels we must hope that he feels
sufficiently relaxed to unwind all of his knowledge about matters
affecting us, and our greater families.

The unpleasant sneering manner of cowards like ‘Independent UKIP’, ‘FKEU’, Mick McGough’, and earlier imbecilic postings by the likes of Douglas Denny, Skeptyk, Mark Croucher or the lies of UKIP Chairmen, Derek Clark, Tom Wise and the like do such regular and major harm to UKIP and they seem too stupid to realise! As ‘Mike’ points out, in his own inimitable way:

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Thank God I’m banned from UKIP and can’t be persuaded to give it any money. Anyone agree?

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Chris PAIN & UKIP’s Dilema Based on Racist Track Record!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/05/2013

Chris PAIN & UKIP’s Dilema Based on Racist Track Record!
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Chris PAIN & UKIP’s Dilema Based on Both His & UKIP’s Apparent Racist Track Record!
That UKIP Chooses to be allied and support racist bigots and extremists as partners leaves them absolutely no plausible way to deny their racist extremism!!

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having started a thread on a Forum regarding UKIP NEC member and recently elected Councillor Chris PainBarbara Booker’s comments:

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Under the headline ‘Racist rants of the UKIP councillors’, the Sunday Mirror writes:

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Ukip’s Chris Pain, leader of the opposition at Lincs Council and the party’s East Midlands regional chairman, wrote: “Have you noticed that if you *rearrange the letters in ‘illegal *immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-********, raghead ******** with you.’”

Mr Pain said the comments on his Facebook pages were “not my original posts or writings”, claiming his *account had been hacked.

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What exactly is Chris Pain saying? The so-called joke about rearranging the letters of the words ‘illegal immigrants’ has been around for several years, so the question is not whether it originated from him but whether he has ever posted it to Facebook? Or is he claiming that someone else, having “hacked” his account, posted it to his Facebook page without his knowledge or consent?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news…s-more-1897414


This gave rise to the following response from ex UKIP NEC member Ian Gillman who resigned from the NEC as her was unwilling to be party to the corruption, oaffish behaviour and risk of joint and several liability in the risk of stolen public money and abuse, foul language, lies and bullying!:

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Barboo in # 1 above kindly draws to our attention to alledged writings by UKIP Councillor, Mr Chris Pain of Skegness who also appears to be the East Midlands Regional Chairman and an N.E.C. member.

Mr Pain, it appears; claims that it is ” not my original posts or writings “.

Certain very nasty e-mails written by Mr Pain with numerous contact details for him provided, are in circulation, wherein he denigrates a range of persons. They are all destined for ‘Junius’ as explained and urged by Mr Pain.
There does appear to be a parallel here.

Interestingly a Mr Gwain Towler who is a UKIP paid official I think put out a public statement about certain matters ,appears within one of those nasty e-mails written by Chris Pain. He was certainly given the special Pain treatment, as was Derek Clark MEP, whilst Mr Nigel Farage was described as watching Mr Pain and his activities very closely as Mr Pain describes his intent to deceive.

It does appear that a discliplinary case file that has already been prepared for Mr Pain will have even more to consider now.

Or, would Mr Pain like to deny herein writing nasty e-mails and circulating them ?

Mr Pain sought legal advice from a Mr Don Ransome, the East Midlands Regional Organiser/Press Officer.
Mr Ransome is not qualified to offer legal advice , but never mind that, he offered it.

Would it not be best for Mr Pain to resign as a County Councillor, Regional Chairman , NEC member and from UKIP itself ?
Then, he should write a sincerely apologetic letter to Mr Anthony Ellwood the 15 year serving treasurer ( including a short spell as national treasurer during an interregnum) who during an attempt to reconcile the national accounts uncovered 95% and perhaps even more movements from the account as conversions into cash that went to unknown places. ?
Mr Pain has ( along with his friend Mr Ransome) treated Mr Ellwood shoddily, denigrating him . For what reason we can but ask ?

Gillman’s somewhat obsessive and tediouson the public forum were I gather, seen as libellous as he could not supply the provenance he claimed he had and would not retract his claims relative to Chris Pain!

This led, I had believed, to a lifetime ban for Gillman, though it seems he is still posting as at 22-May!

Also having made a perfectly civil and proper posting in a Private Message to on of the moderators which read as follows:

Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier
Dear Mr Allen,

You told me originally that my request would be forwarded to Anthony Butcher, while now you seem to have decided the matter yourself. I have just finished a telephone conversation with a barrister who knows much about UKIP, and she said that you cannot deliberately destroy published information, or deny a harmed party access to it for their legal purposes. You are certainly doing the latter of those things. Are you saying quite categorically that Mr Butcher has made this decison, and you are merely communicationg it to me?

If you believe that I have lied on the thread, which I certainly dispute, would you like to identify those lies, and confirm that you are permitted to punish me in the way that you have decided? Mr Fear made a statement on the thread which was wholly false. He seems unable to identify any supporting evidence on Junius. Your claim that I have a history of obfuscation, dishonesty and lying, yet I claim that is untrue, and I have not even a ‘parking ticket’ to blemish my good name. Yours is not a fair description of my reputation. You are protecting Mr Pain, an NEC member, who has used information gleaned by two UKIP employees in the course of their employment, to harm others. There can be no doubt about that.

I get the impression that you are deliberatlely protecting Mr Pain for reasons which have little to do with the interests of BDF. I would like the precise name of the person who finally decides to obstruct my request, if that is what they choose to do. Could I also have the legal status of the BDF; private limited company, etc.
Should it make things easier for you, can we ignore Mr Gillman’s postings, and confine ourselves to those affecting me, and my other witness Mr Ellwood? (1) Mr Fear’s original statement. (2) Mr Pain’s #373 and the ones involving the UKIP HQ manager. (3) Mr Ransome’s statement. If protecting named persons from libellous statements is important to you, I am sure that you will welcome my request.

Geoffrey Collier.


It is self evident that this eMail is at no stage any kind of threat against the Forum but rather a friendly warning from a long term and trustworthy member of both UKIP and the Forum, which UKIP has from time to time had totally dishonest co0ntrol over through, amongst others, the weak, self serving, dishonest and dublicitous Anthony Butcher who has proved time and again to be untrustworthy and only too willing to provide a platform for dishonesty and lies, abuse and libellous fantasies, as long as it suits UKIP and himself.

It is, in my opinion, dishonestly claimed that Geoffrey Collier, in giving friendly advice privately to a moderator has in some way threatened the forum and this has been at best misguidedly but based upon the Forum track record, more likely, dishonestly used to gag a critic of the corruption in UKIP – Geoffrey Collier has been dishonestly banned from posting on the forum for life (as was I( for having made a statement of FACT and provided provenance of the fact!).

Barbara Booker has gone on helpfully to plead Geoffrey’s case as has Niall Warry, another unstinting campaigner for probity, transparency and an end to corruption in UKIP to make it fit for purpose – not just as a one man band being exploited for the benefit of a small clique and supported by their corrupt claque!

Barbara Booker has summarised various facts, pertaining to Chris Pain and his apparent racist outbursts, as follows:

Be careful what you wish for!

The Skegness Standard reported on 20 May:

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UKIP has said it will be forced to eject the party’s newly elected Lincolnshire group leader if allegations he has made ‘racist rants’ on Facebook prove true. Party spokesman Gawain Towler said: “They are serious allegations and if proven true there is no way Chris Pain could remain a councillor with UKIP. However we don’t hang a man until he’s proven guilty and at the moment Chris is saying that his account was hacked.”
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http://www.skegnessstandard.co.uk/ne…ions-1-5108055

If UKIP decides that Chris Pain’s Facebook account was indeed hacked as he says (and it’s now also being claimed on the ‘Lincoln immigration issues’ site that it too has been hacked), then someone will have to explain why he allowed potentially damaging posts that he didn’t make to remain in place for so many months. If, on the other hand, UKIP decides that he did make the posts himself, and takes action against him as suggested by Gawain Towler, then it will only succeed in making UKIP a political laughing stock. Consider these facts:

Despite the impression created by the Sunday Mirror, which described the ‘illegal immigrants’ post as being among “racist rants of the UKIP councillors”, and Hope not Hate which calls it “the most disgusting racist outburst”, Chris Pain was not the author of the piece. It’s a supposed joke which seems to have originated in America in about 2009 and turns up, with slight variations, on numerous websites in the USA, Australia and here. The Chris Pain version is similar to that found on:
http://myrightwingdad.blogspot.co.uk…-lesson-i.html

‘Asylum’, which also appeared on Chris Pain’s Facebook in August 2012, dates back to at least 2001:
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/1140…cil-house.html

So, if UKIP decides that Chris Pain did post these items, he will be guilty not of having written them himself but of having forwarded them from elsewhere on the internet.

Those with long enough memories may recall an almost identical case in 2006 when a town councillor from Calne in Wiltshire, Conservative Ellie Bland, was suspended by her party for circulating an email containing the ‘Illegal Immigrants Poem’. She told the Wiltshire Gazette & Herald: “The e-mail is a joke email . . . . I didn’t write it I just forwarded it”, though later claiming that “someone else” had sent the email from her address.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/ne…racist_e_mail/

Contrast Gawain Towler’s statement above about Chris Pain, with UKIP’s reaction to Cllr Bland and her ‘racist email’. Two months after the story broke, Bland resigned from the Conservatives and was welcomed into UKIP, visited by Nigel Farage, and selected as UKIP candidate for the district council elections. “The support I’m getting is absolutely wonderful”, she gushed, “It’s heart-warming to know a leader will come and visit. If I ring him he answers the phone, talks to me. With David Cameron you could go to a meeting and be lucky to get him to shake your hand.”
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/n…fects_to_UKIP/

UKIP put out an enthusiastic statement, ‘Then there were four’ (26.1.07): “Graham Booth the local MEP said, This is brilliant news”, and even Nigel Farage’s assistant, Annabelle Fuller, had a dig at the LibDems over it on her blog (29.4.2007): “This is the party who caused a huge lot of bother for Councillor Ellie Bland when her husband forwarded an e-mail which was, I think, rather amusing, and accused her of being a ‘racist’.”
http://more-to-life-than-shoes.blogs…1_archive.html

UKIP cannot, in all seriousness, now turn against Chris Pain for exactly the same behaviour as resulted in Ellie Bland’s joining them and receiving such a joyful welcome!

Chris Pain does little to help himself and continue wityh outspoken racist views and values that lead one to believe he is just the sort of individual who would have made the comments on Facebook etc but has actually invoked not just the name of UKIP but his position of responsibility on behalf of UKIP and particularly its electorate in Lincolnshire, as the following article shows:

UKIP members of Lincolnshire County Council refuse to back anti-racism pledge

Friday, May 17, 2013

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All 16 UKIP councillors on Lincolnshire County Council have refused to sign an anti-racism declaration.

Labour’s Rob Parker presented the document to ensure all Lincolnshire residents are treated equality and have access to the same services.

But Chris Pain, leader of the county council’s UKIP group, the official opposition, told today’s annual meeting of the council: “I cannot support this document.

“It actually pushes forward the chance of multiculturalism, one of the fundamental things that’s wrong with our society.

“UKIP’s stance is not racist.

“Our stance is on space and space alone.”

The motion was passed by 60 councillors who voted for it, with 16 abstentions from UKIP.

The party’s own motion to reduce the council newspaper County News to a single yearly issue to cut costsfailed.

Cllr Pain had earlier pressed the council to reduce the amount of money spent on translators in Lincolnshire.

Saxilby ward member Councillor Jackie Brockway, Conservative, said: “I’m very concerned that there’s a theme developing that seems to be attacking the vulnerable and we need to careful about that.”

Cllr Hill said costs had already reduced from £54,000 to £43,000 and that translators performimportant roles in schools and law courts.

Liberal Democrat John Marriott said: “I would hope our colleagues from UKIP come up with some more practical solutionsas to how local government will survive.”

The meeting officially saw council leader Cllr Hill, his executive and committee heads appointed.

After last month’s election, the Conservatives lost overall control. Thirty-six Tories are now in a coalition with three independents and three Lib Dems.

UKIP has 16 seats, there are seven independents in opposition and 12 Labour councilors.

To view the original article CLICK HERE

Barbara Booker recently also pointed out:
Chris Pain has told the Boston Standard (20.5.13): 

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Coun Pain told The Standard that his account had been hacked and that he had not made the post himself. He said he does not agree with the words written and would never use them himself.
He told The Standard: “At the moment I am changing passwords like crazy and putting locks on.”

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http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news…cist-1-5109070


What I do not at all understand is, since the post in question was apparently made on 4 November 2012, see http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013…?utm_hp_ref=uk , why Chris Pain didn’t remove it and take action to safeguard his facebook account straight away? Why wait until now, when a post made in his name by someone else has been splashed all over the Sunday Mirror, before changing passwords and putting locks on?

Likewise with the earlier ‘asylum’ post, made 13 August 2012. 

Was he the victim of yet another hacker with that one?
I trust that helps to pull together some of the strands in this ongoing saga regarding UKIP Racism and the part in it which UKIP NEC member and former assistant to UKIP PPC Dick Horsnell from the Isle of Man, who laid the groundwork for much of UKIP’s achievements in the area with his substantial capital injection and committed campaigning via market stalls and carrier bags etc.
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Ian GILLMAN’s Position is clearly dishonest & dishonourable

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 02/04/2013

 

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Ian GILLMAN’s Position is clearly dishonest & dishonourable!
It seems he has lost the plot and clearly is unable to substantiate his own apparent fantasies!

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it is sad that I now find myself in the position of realising that Ian Gilman, who gave UKIP much service in its early days, albeit in a somewhat ill considered manner, he seems to have developed the weasel like tendencies of sneaking up on the unsuspecting and snipping at their heels.
Do note the following posting in the public domain of a UKIP controlled Forum:
Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gillman View Post
The Junius-Chris Pain-GLW axis have threatened to release filthy and lurid e-mails pertaining to a Miss Annabelle Fuller who may be employed by UKIP and work for Mr Farage, the leader.
Thus a deliberate attempt to damage the leader and the party is intended, but; we are told not before an attempt to offer it first to mainstream media for salacious columns.
Having been called upon by a Moderator on the said forum to provide proof or appologise for his lies we note Ian Gillman has proved unable to show his provenance for his allegations.
Therefor again I believe Ian Gillman to be untrustworthy, ureliable and dishonest.
Consider:

From: Greg Lance – Watkins <greg_l-w@btconnect.com>

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 15:10:45 +0000

To: REDACTED

Subject: re: Gilman’s dishonesty.

 

Hi,

REDACTED – sorry to bother you BUT!

Here is the opening of a post by Ian Gilman:

‘The Junius-Chris Pain-GLW axis have threatened to release filthy and lurid e-mails pertaining to a Miss Annabelle Fuller who may be employed by UKIP and work for Mr Farage, the leader.
Thus a deliberate attempt to damage the leader and the party is intended, but; we are told not before an attempt to offer it first to mainstream media for salacious columns.’

As it is wrong on seemingly every count perhaps you would call for his apology or his proof.

The Junius-Chris Pain-GLW axis

Since he has no clue as to the identity of those who work as ‘Junius’ this is pure speculation.

Further I have never met Pain nor am I overly impressed with his unprofessional behaviour that he bores all and sundy with his over egged fantasies about Geoffrey Collier though those re Gilman seem justified!

I happen to KNOW that Pain does not know who Junius is and nor does Geoffrey Collier!

have threatened to release filthy and lurid e-mails pertaining to a Miss Annabelle Fuller

Please show where I have so threatened – it is a lie!

who may be employed by UKIP and work for Mr Farage,

Not MAY but does as recorded officially and also employed as Athena as also proven.

the leader.

Moot point!!!
Thus a deliberate attempt to damage the leader and the party is intended,

RUBBISH this is a lie as my aim, as a supporter of UKIP’s aim to Leave-The-EU as held by its grass roots members, is clearly shown to be to make every effort to clean up the party and professionalise it to make it fit for purpose which with the present level of banal and self seeking squabbling and its racism etc. it clearly is not.

but; we are told not before an attempt to offer it first to mainstream media for salacious columns.

Rather than use long words beyond his education he might care to look up salacious and also where I or Junius have ‘OFFERED’ the material to media. That I have been approached directly for the information for a serious political documentary is a different matter.

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Ian Gillman was asked to substantiate his fictitious rantings some days ago and to date has failed to either substantiate his dishonesties nor be man enough to apologise for his lies.

It does rather look, on the same forum, as if Ian Gillman has duped the well meaning Geoffrey Collier into being the standard bearer for the sad spectacle of Gillman’s embittered and wild claims.

May I publicly urge cation to Mr. Collier for he would not be the first person to be hoist on Gillman’s petard!

That I hear from contacts the Sean Howlett is also remeaning UKIP and making it look even nore serious in its idiotic complaints to Hertfordshire Police where he lays claim and complaint thaty Junius, and for good measure in oassing myself, are guilty under the data protection act of publishing confidential eNails and comments from various public sources.

Just think what a shambols these dweebs would make of any responsible role they ever achieved with their risible pretence to being Libertarian where in reality they have hidden themselves to make themselves a coffee!

Just how stupid are these foolish oi pretend politicians as they strive to do something right for the sake of their cattle! It is not just the total lack of underastanding of the law and the willingness to waste Police time with their vicious efforts at central control in contradiction of Libertarianism, which makes UKIP members look so utterly foolish!

Since I have made a point of accurately posting facts and clearly defining opinion on my blog and even someone as foolish as the little Sean Howlett knows that it is I who publish my blog we must hope, since he can provide no other facts as he knows none that are relevant – let us hope he has saved them time by providing them with my phone number so that I can, as with the3 dishonest claims of Gerard Batten and others show just how rizzible are UKIP leadership team!

There will of course be some polic3e who are so irresponsible and lacking in a sense of duty that they may even visit to be told they are making fools of themselves and have been set up by UKIP based on false information.

I wonder where Sean Howlett has admonished the police to go to interview Junius!!! For it is certain the foolish little man hasn’t a clue who Junius is any more than do the leadership of UKIP!

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UKIP Slighted & Ambitious Trash & Unprofessional In Fighting …

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the back stabbing, squabbling and viciously odious behaviour of those on the make and the take in UKIP and those who feel they were in some way outwitted, out maneuvered or out performed in their efforts to climb the unsavoury and particularly greasy pole that UKIP provides on route to a place on the gravy train, or preferment in some way, can be measured by the following UKIP controlled public Forum posting.
Let us start off with this posting from an embittered and particularly repetitive pedant, on the UKIP controlled forum – I shall spare them the embarrassment of identifying them, suffice to say not the most reliable sources for information and untrustworthy, as I have found to my cost, also!
Many a sound and proven story exposing UKIP has foundered on this particular obsessive’s insistance on over egging the cake to impress. Clearly not realising that the simple facts and cross referenced truth suffice, one item at a time rather than throwing all the mud in the water and making it unpalatable for any investigator and too tedious for words!
Well what do YOU think:
Yesterday the ‘Junius’ internet site gave notice of its future intentions to publicise evidently unpleasant e-mails.
Just as though the trailer at the cinema for next weeks film that is to be even better than this weeks offering , the reader is encouraged to ponder then salivate.
The use of nasty e-mails about persons, especially those who gave of their time and resources to build up a volunteer base party is not now a new phenomenon.It has become a device to attain office that, sadly has succeeded.
Of course the e-mails that are to be offered for public consumption are able to be witheld were those within the team not wishing to destroy, then create a vacuum that they perhaps intend to fill.
Has this latest episode been prompted by illegal attacks upon persons computers ?
That method of attaining information has been employed against three persons to my certain knowledge in the past.
As so often with those who aim to be vindictive, convinced of the righteous nature of their fantasies, yet again we note they have jumped to the conclusion that an obvious 2 + 2 =s something other than 4.The deduction was so half witted that they failed to note the contact on Junius was awaiting forwarding of the material from me and I had firstly to redact to protect my sources and then to endeavour to ensure the veracity of the material I had been supplied!

The only reason I paid ANY attention to the gossip was that having compiled the posting late last night, as I endeavoured to post it Firefox crashed, deleting both the posting and the auto backups!

Sadly, as so often happens in a rush to judgement, the author of that foolish Forum post has got entirely the wrong end of the stick!
Then we have the spectacle of this foolish individual expounding on matters of which they clearly have little or no understanding – and just when is there proof someone’s computer was ‘hacked’ by someone in UKIP. Though I appreciate the grubby little sewer rat Nigel farage has employed ‘Mark Croucher, has from time to time claimed knowledge of hacking to make his lies more plausible and be of greater value to his pay master!
Clearly only a half wit would willingly put their computer forward on the internet without a serious degree of anti virus protection and a professional firewal of some sort. Frankly I do NOT believe that there has been either consequential or competent hacking within UKIP as such and as for GCHQ taking an interest on UKIP grounds dream on – they have better things to do, though clearly they don’t do them very well!
The case for having a computer hacked is very limited but without anti virus then clearly one is prone to Trojans and the like and exploitation of the computer by ‘hitch hikers’ either mass spamming or using the address book and the like.
At one moment attacking the duplicitous and corrupt Derek Clark and at the next seeking to defend him; as with the praise they lavish on Nikki Sinclaire and yet the damaging misinformation about West Midlands events!
The trail is long and tedious at one moment sharing information and yet at another, in breech of trust, playing secret squirrel to feed some fantasy or another!”
I would not be surprised if it was this buffoon who is spreading malicious rumours about Chris Pain supplying eMails to Junius and Geoffrey Collier leaking mass circulation ‘e’Mails!!! Or even trying to convince that the cartoons on The Junius Team blog are provided by Pain, leading some of the gullible fools in UKIP leadership to believe they are, when clearly many of them are actually signed photoshop cartoons and the rest are in the same style, mainly appeared in the ex UKipper and BNP sympathiser Andrew Edwards’ ‘e’Mail circulars.
But based on the level of political common sense in UKIP or political judgement one would hardly expect their leadership team to make intelligent guesses let alone professional deductions!
The material to which Team Junius allude on their blog is now my next task and with good fortune and a minimal number of interuptions (firefox not withstanding) I hope to have re-written the post later today – at which stage Junius Team will pick it up and post it, when they have time and their EU work allowing.
Meanwhile I shall await the latest efforts of the pond life of UKIP and its followers to desperately either stab each other in the back as they fight like inebriated ferrets in a pillow case desperately trying to hide their identities behind pseudonyms on the pretence that they NEED to protect their names for ‘internet security’ either they are dellusional or have a very inflated opinion of their worth!
I long ago stopped caring which foolish fake was Tubby arnott, Slime Croucher, Slut (you choose!), idiotic Finch, Mick McTrough, The Oaff Reeve, or any number of clowns too ashamed to put their names to their  vituperative maunderings.
To be fair I rarely read the postings of those who hide in shame there are enough items by honourable men and women to take up my time and at least with information supplied by real people it can be checked!
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The Higher Up The Tree UKIP Leadership Climb …

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The Higher Up The Tree UKIP Leadership Climb …!
IF UKIP refuses to ‘clean-up’ its act it has no future and no place in British politics, whaterver its cheap and dishonest populism may garner!

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as I have repeatedly said and published for several years as soon as UKIP shows any signs of any kind of significance they would be exposed for what they really are.Increasingly UKIP are being exposed as political lightweights and extremist of no ethical substance. A cult rather than a party controlled, managed and manipulated by one man, whose finger prints will never be found on any concrete evidence of corruption, dishonesty or extremism but with a claque of followers willing to be used and manipulated as his puppets to act for him to keep him on the gravy train!The amounts of money that have appeared to go ‘walk about’ are staggering the odd £1/4Million here and a further £1/4Million there and it soon adds up to £Millions – as Nigel Farage notoriously boasted to the ex Labour EU minister later shown to have defrauded the public purse himself, Farage boasted at a Press lunch that he had received around £2Million in expenses over and above his actual expenses in the EU.

That of course was no admission of involvement in the apparent £Millions that have seemingly gone missing fr4om EU funding and UKIP direct funds including via call centers.

Perhaps the information in the report, if a little hysterical somewhat untrustworthy and clearly pedantic, that follows the press article below will give the measure of the outrage some members feel at the corruption of UKIP by its leader4ship.However do consider the source, which was a thwarted individual who had great ambitions through UKIP and may well be embittered by his failure as a manipulator, in political terms, when measured against the likes of Nigel Farage!First consider the press report below which I can attest has involved a considerable amount of research so far and is ongoing not only by this paper but by other press journalists and in other media.

Similarly we know that UKIP and many of its remaining senior members are under investigation by OLAF and by areas of the British Police.Again I reiterate the belief that UKIP is at greatest danger of destruction by the exposure of its own corruption should it ever be considered of any real significance – hence the current interest follow its apparent success at Eastleigh, despite the fact that their performance was a mere 14% of the electorate’s vote shadowing the failure of politicians in gene4ral to be considered of much significance in Britain now we are so clearly subject of direct rule by The EU.You may feel the claim we are directly ruled by The EU is untrue or at best an exageration yet this very day the EU voted 26 to 1 against the direct financial interests of these United Kingdoms.

This is not a one off! You will of course be aware that on the pretext that British meat was infected with Foot and Mouth the EU market was largely closed to us yet imports continued from many countries where the disease was endemic and indeed it will be remembered that in France the disease was nicknamed ‘JCB disease’ as farmers killed their own cattle with symptoms and buried them whilst immediately sending any other cattle to slaughter!

Furtjher be minded that no aspirant politician in Britain has set out for election without stating that the CAP (Common Agricultural Policy) of The EC, EEC, Common Market, EU, call it what you will, was unfair, hugely costly and must be changed yet in 40 years no British Government nor minister had managed to change a single detail nor a phrase or comma!

Why one may ask would one wish to be a member of an organisation that not only costs some £50Million a day but clearly acted against one’s National intertests and it is a valid question that increasingly politicians will not answer with integrity or honesty and the electorate are now by a majority seeking to Leave-The-EU yet with 60%+ of Conservative voters wanting a fair and honest Referendum, which David Cameron has now for the second time claimed he will hold to appease his members yet UKIP have so lost sight of their ‘Raison d’être‘ that they can only garner 14% of the electorate in their best ever domestic by election!Consider my oft stated truth, when thinking of UKIP and its leadership, ‘The higher up the tree the monkey climbs the more you see its Rs’, increasingly you will note the media pointing this out, example after example!

Special Report: What voters should know about Ukip

Is there more to the party than an obsession with immigration and getting Britain out of the European Union?
 

Sunday 03 March 2013

Suddenly, the UK Independence Party is the wild card of British politics. It left the Conservative Party bruised and traumatised by beating it in the Eastleigh by-election. It is tipped to win a large share of the vote in next year’s European elections, may well cost David Cameron’s party victory at the next general election, and is the force whose electoral magnetism many say will pull the Tories ever rightward. It is also the party – its programme and personalities – that has so far escaped scrutiny. Until now.

If Ukip had a name that truly reflected its priorities, it might be called the UK Immigrationphobe Party. Ostensibly the anti-EU party, an obsession with immigration and exit from Europe as a means to close Britain’s doors is its prevailing motive. The word immigration runs through its policy statements like red lettering in seaside rock, and its proposed five-year ban on entries to the UK is the message it rams home on every doorstep.

That is far from all. It is deeply sceptical of global warming, wants to abolish inheritance tax, employers’ National Insurance contributions, aims to partially reverse the recent hunting and smoking bans, and would increase defence spending by some 40 per cent. It is, in thought if not yet in personnel, the extreme right-wing of the Conservative Party in exile; a party run in the main by self-made businessmen with an agenda to match. And it has a record of defections, internecine squabbles and acrimony, plus scandals that have led two of its former MEPs to jail.

Founded in 1991 as the Anti-Federalist League by Dr Alan Sked of the London School of Economics (it became Ukip two years later), it has had, in the past 20 years, no fewer than eight leaders. And the upper reaches of its 22,000 members are fed – and depleted – at regular intervals by defectors coming in and going out, among them its founder. Two of the people elected as Ukip MEPs have since defected to the Conservative Party, and Nikki Sinclaire, elected a Ukip MEP in 2009, was expelled from Ukip for refusing to be part of the right-wing Europe of Freedom and Democracy grouping in the European Parliament.

On the other side of the account, two of its three peers sitting in the Lords were defections from the Conservative Party; its one Member of the Legislative Assembly in Northern Ireland is David McNarry, who was expelled from the Ulster Unionists; and the only person ever to represent the party in the Commons was Robert Spink, who defected from the Conservatives in 2008.

All these comings and goings mean its headquarters must at times resemble a tourist hotel at the height of the season. The party is, in fact, run out of an office on a business park in Newton Abbot, Devon. Its latest available accounts, for 2011, reveal it has 12 employees, made up of four party officers and eight administrative staff – four fewer than in the previous year. The Ukip leadership has managed to turn around an £18,000 deficit and posted a profit of almost £100,000.

Its MEPs have been criticised for a less-than-stellar attendance record at the European Parliament. The latest data from Votewatch.eu says that Nigel Farage’s attendance in plenary has been 141 days out of 196, placing him 708 out of 754 MEPs, and his deputy Paul Nuttall managed 123 days out of 195, ranking him 742nd. More embarrassing for the party was the jailing of two of its former MEPs. In 2007, Ashley Mote, who represented South-east England, was jailed on 21 counts of benefit fraud, totalling £65,000. In 2009, Tom Wise, former MEP for East of England, was jailed for two years after falsely claiming thousands in expenses.

Mr Farage has carved out a niche for himself as a political maverick who, with a nice line in good humour, plays well on Question Time. Insiders, however, say he is somewhat shy when it comes to detail. One former Ukip member said the party had attempted to put together a co-ordinated policy platform before the last election with 18 separate policy groups charged with contributing to the Ukip manifesto. But he added: “The whole thing was eventually binned. The Ukip leadership doesn’t seem to be interested in details; it’s a very successful single-issue pressure group. Nigel was very uncomfortable with a manifesto which stated that ‘A Ukip government would do this or that’.”

Marta Andreasen, the former Ukip MEP who joined the Conservatives during the Eastleigh by-election campaign, said the party was, in effect, a pressure group. “Ukip says it has policies on things other than Europe, but none of them have been properly costed. It is very easy to use immigration as a threat to the population of this country, because people are losing their jobs and the welfare state is being reduced. I agree that there should be proper controls on immigration, but Ukip’s position on this – warning that millions of Bulgarians and Romanians would come to this country – was one of the things that contributed to my leaving the party. We were coming too close to the BNP. We were on the margins of the racists.”

To the accusations that his party is covertly racist, Mr Farage highlights the fact that the Ukip candidate in the Croydon North by-election was the Jamaican-born former boxer Winston McKenzie. However, Mr McKenzie provoked protests when he claimed that allowing gay couples to adopt was “unhealthy”.

Ukip’s deputy leader, Paul Nuttall, uses his blog to vent his spleen against political correctness. In one post, he supported the Bristol hoteliers who faced court action after refusing to let a gay couple sleep in the same bed, and the football pundits Andy Gray and Richard Keys, sacked by Sky over their “sexist” remarks about a female referee’s assistant. He wrote: “Firstly, Christian hoteliers Peter and Rosemary Bull lost a court case in Bristol, which was brought by two homosexual men who took exception because the couple refused to allow them to sleep in the same bed. What a complete joke. Aren’t people allowed to live by their religious beliefs in the country any more? … Gray was partaking in something we call ‘banter’ in football circles … It’s not as if he said it live on air, but, then again, so what if he had?”

A Ukip spokesman denied the party was obsessed with migration and insisted that it had a policy platform which “reflected all the real concerns of the British people”. He added: “We have policies on the economy, public services, Europe … everything. During the Eastleigh campaign, we expected to talk a lot about Europe, but when we knocked on doors people wanted to ask about immigration. Other people have analysed the election since and said immigration was the main concern of 55 per cent of the people who voted, so we were very much in touch with the people of that area. Ukip, of course, repudiates all types of racism and sectarianism. BNP former members are barred from joining Ukip.”

Additional reporting by Jemma Crew and Katie Grant

Ukip policies

Lower taxes

“Abolish the tax on work – employers’ National Insurance [NI].” This would lose around £50bn a year in revenue, at a stroke, reversing all progress in cutting the deficit since 2010.

“Take 4.5 million of low incomes out of tax with a simple, flat rate income tax … Merge 20 per cent basic income tax with 11 per cent NI to create a 31 per cent flat tax on all earned incomes over £11,500.” This would create another vast hole in public finances, and mean tax cuts for all higher-rate taxpayers.

“Ukip have a long-standing policy to abolish inheritance tax.” This would cost about £3bn a year.

“Global warming is not proven – wind power is futile. Scrap all green taxes, wind-turbine subsidies, adopt nuclear power to free us from dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil and gas.”

“Cut taxes on small businesses.” Unspecified.

Lower public spending

“Public spending is increasing and the coalition’s cuts do not scratch the surface of Labour’s deficit. We must cut down government if we are to return to a sound economy.”

Quangos: “Bring them under Parliament’s control and cut the cost substantially”. No definition of “substantial”.

“Make real and rigorous cuts in foreign aid.” The aid budget is about £10bn a year.

“By leaving the EU we save over £45m a day plus £60bn a year due to EU trade barriers, business regulation, waste, fraud.” £60bn a year is equivalent to the annual spending of the entire Education Department.

Higher public spending

“Spend an extra 40 per cent on defence annually.” A cost of £19bn pa.

“Double prison places to enforce zero tolerance on crime.” Cost about £4bn pa.

“Roll all state pensions and benefits into a simple, substantial citizen’s pension.” Uncosted.

Restore student grants, but abandon target of 50 per cent of young people going to university. Uncosted.

A better yesterday

“Only by leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders.”

“Life must mean life.”

“Our traditional values have been undermined. Children are taught to be ashamed of our past. Multiculturalism has split our society. Political correctness is stifling free speech.”

“Support grammar schools.”

“End the ban on smoking in allocated rooms in public houses, clubs and hotels.”

“Hold county-wide referenda on the hunting ban.”

John Rentoul

Sources: ‘What We Stand For, A Ukip Statement of Principles’, 28 November 2011, and other documents on the Ukip website

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As promised, in the preamble to the article above you may find this published article from a UKIP public forum that follows and ask yourself if it was only 25% accurate surely this would so far see more than 2 UKIP MEPs sentenced to prison!

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The 2005 Parliamentary Election for the constituency of Louth and Horncastle where Chris Pain represented UKIP, received two cheques to the value of £500 each, the said UKIP branch were only entitled to one cheque of £500 from the East Midlands Committee A second cheque was issued at the request of Chris Pain who was not an elected member of the UKIP East Midlands Committee at the time,claiming the first cheque had not been received.

As a result of this it was assumed the cheque had been lost in the post, a replacement cheque was issued. Our long serving treasurer came to the next meeting and reported that the first cheque had been presented for payment at the bank within days of being issued. The second cheque posted directly to Chris was also presented for payment despite requests from our treasurer and the RO for the cheque to be returned. The £500 was never returned despite repeated requests,.

Mr Pain an NEC member supported and recommended by the ‘Junius’ team has indicated that thr Regional Organiser ( Press Secretary, or whatever legal designation now satisfies O.L.A.F. ) Mr Donald Ransome, is to return from a holiday on Thursday and produce a report on matters. Excellant.

Cyprus is loverly at this time of year I am told, but this report may be less than sunny.He must indeed recall those words from Exodus, not to bare false witness.

A copy of this report must then be forwarded to Detective Inspector Postins of Birmingham, West Midlands Police. Failure to do just that may raise more than eyebrows, as we saw in Nottingham with a police raid, arrest and heavy questioning. More of that later though.

Mr Ransome needs to ascertain from Mr Pain, who; exactly are the ‘Junius’ team. ?

Does Mr Pain control ‘Junius’ or vica versa ?

Has Mr Pain, over the years transgressed NEC election rules by having a world wide web site promote his cause ?

How have other candidates coped with this matter, were they given similar and equal treatment ?

Has any form of favouritism occurred here with Mr Pain having internet endorsements ?

Mr Pain denegrates people including in writing, perhaps using a computer system. Some of it came to the fore only last week. There is, sadly; more.

Given Mr Pain’s denegration of others, that may have caused much upset ( Mr Clark I am told has been much hurt by ‘Junius’ cartoons of him that appear to match descriptions of him written by Mr Pain ) , has Mr Pain’s computer been criminally interferred with in order to see just what exactly is going on ( as has mine, and others too) albeit for entirely different reasons in my case including perhaps attempting to pervert the course of justice and witness intimidation ) .

Has his computer been hacked or entered in any way. I can with pleasure assist Mr Pain with this matter, and partly this is why he needs to take his computer to West Midlands Police and the live police enquiry into matters UKIP various and any intellegence that he or ‘Junius’ may possess .

Michael McGough, his senior NEC colleague urged just that of all and sundry upon this very forum.

The report by Mr Ransome must follow a natural path, chronologically.

Assisting with the Trimdon by-election with Mr Ransome during a very long day , I brought to his attention as the correct officer for members to turn to and in the proper civilised way; financial matters that were causing great concern to members, including:

The Ashford Call Centre raised money, Ashford Employment Ltd. and matters pertaining to legal requirements and the banking of our donated money.

UIKIP Wine World and the aparent disappearence of all of our money. The lack of HMRC VAT compliance. Failure of any documentation with evidently imported wine from The Lebanon being sold at UKIP events, having destroyed the proper and legal UKIP Wine World approved by the NEC.

Up to six years of national prize draws, perhaps 13 in total where monies appear not to be banked within the UKIP national accounts .

The draws under the Lotteries Acts were illegal, no licence, indeed evidently previously a legal status cancelled in favour of an illegal one.

The odd useage of a private business address in London for receipt of our monies and tickets, where indeed Mrs Kirston Farage had worked. The Birmingham H.Q. should have been used and that city council for legal registration.

Subsequently, Mr Ransome at an EMCC meeting questioned me quite specifically about the Ashford Call Centre. Details of dates when approaches were made for money, amounts donated and questions around these matters.

it must be remembered that his employer, Mr Clark MEP was indeed the national party secretary during those very generous and prosperous times and with concern expressed thus Mr Clark may have had concerns too ?

Mr Ransome does have that detail as requested by him.

Further Mr Ransome, within that report should list for Mr Stuart Wheeler the treasurer, ( and of course the police) areas that require external audit with an opportunity for one and all to question figures as provided.

This will include:

Ramsgate Call Centre.

Ashford Call Centre / Ashford Employment Ltd.

Preston Call Centre.

Around 13 national prize draws under the Lotteries Act unregistered anywhere in Britain, and the use of a private business address in an unrelated city to H.Q. where money was sent.

UKIP Wine World and all HMRC documents.

The use of a Bath council flat for receipt of monies.

£ 211,000 appearing to disappear from a set of regional accounts as ” other costs”

£ 250,000 obtained for a street collection of names and addresses when only an A4 sheet of paper was provided for that money and he ( Mr Ransome) told us to go away and photocopy it.

£ 11,000 destined for The Metric Martyers of Sunderland appears to disappear. Where is it ?

All movements of IDG group money.
Is that 10 MEP’s x E 50,000 per annum x 5 years ? A vast sum of money.

All movements of E.F.D. group money .
Is that 12 MEP’s x E 50,000 per annum x 5 years

Expanations about the Ohio account.

Explanations about something that may be called the 4000 account ?

These are some of the areas for Mr Ransome to concern himself with, we may provide a few more however.

Mr Ransome , within this report must also include the following:
I resigned with great sadness from the NEC quite specifically due to frauds, including as reported .I had honestly attempted to do something to protect us but the support was not available.

I was treated very badly at that last meeting, raving, shouting swareing abuse as others just bowed their heads to the table in shame.It was reported to Bedfordshire police by someone, not me though.

I thought that was the end of the matter, I just wanted to get on with branch and regional work, .

Subsequenty, a lot of nasty things happened, including:
A person identified to me by Northampton Borough Council using a mobile telephone rang them and attempted to drive me off the MEP lists that I was legally a part of .Nasty lies and defamation was used against me.

My then just widowed mother was traced ( different telephone district to me) and two frightening calls made about me intending to intimidate her and thus me by implication.

The Inland Revenue were missled about me costing all money.

( Richard ‘Ski’ experienced similar but far worse in that context)

I begin to hear verbal statements of very nasty things indeed about me.

I was isolated for standing up to fraud and questioning the evident disappearence of our money.

The News of the World paper was fed a lot of information about me and Sophy Ridge telephoned me about matters pertaining to a former police officer and UKIP MEP Tom Wise. I politely send them away.

Donald Ransome, who sometimes calls himself the Regional Organiser spammed my computer, costing me money to effect a repair.

Donald Ransome spammed my computer to total destruction using some device , such that it crashed, and mechanics were unable to access anything from it.Physical evidence is held by the police, and myself too.

I had to buy another system.

The entire contents of my computer was evidently taken to be replaced by ‘Spam’ from Mr Ransome, this included a valuable and saleable asset, namely my Bedfordshire police statement concerning Mr Tom Wise MEP and our UKIP Wine World money.

Donald Ransome at my last EMCC spent 1 hour and twenty minutes abusing me, shouting threats. I was not intimidated.

At that meeting I held up numerous examples of unlawful prize draws and questioned about the whereabouts of our money.

At that meeting I held up bank statements from Ashford Call Centre that showed quite huge money movements in and out. I was specific about £ sums.

At that meeting I raised UKIP wine world with certain documentation shown.

He, Mr Ransome three times threatened to take me outside and evidently beat me up.

Mr Ransome made an evident death threat intent to me. All of course witnessed.

I never raised my voice, I never used a wrong word.I was always calm and restrained.

Mrs Ransome, known as Sue; threatened to sue me. So, with Sue to sue and Donald to beat me up three times perhaps prior to even worse I was with others thrown off the committeee by the new chairman Mr Clark who appeared to seize the chair from the properly elected officer Mr Baker.

Two members dared to ask of Sue ( to sue remember) why she needed to take her shouting and raving and stabbing off at an odd tangent. Something appeared to worry her greatly.

Meanwhile no answers have ever been provided to very simple legitimate questions about our money, as given. Odd.

Then officers of the party attempt a reconciliation of our national accounts. Bank statements showing perhaps up to 95% of our money movements as explained converted into cash I am assurred appears to leave the party coffers.

I write all without prejudice and as explained.

Considerable work is carried out upon H.Q. site Birmingham thence elsewhere. The work is properly filed and documented. Certain bank statements were specifically denied however. Originals ( not copies, but the originals) were carefully stored within an unused office.

Following me being driven off the EMCC with nastiness, Mr Geoffrey Kingscott a former party secretary is treated to a similar action. Someone has explained to me that his abuse as received was worse than mine, but I was history by then and merely an object of derision.

A mild mannered man only interested in the well being of the party and members, Mr Kingscott never returns.

The the 15 year serving East Midlands treasurer always re-elected has a police raid upon his home and from around 0800-1800 questioned aggressivly and literally terrified by lies that had been fed to a charity, ‘Crimestoppers’ about him that caused a police raid with 8/9 officers and a battering-ram device. The stories are a slander.
His health was broken by that incident.Literally terrified by what was going on his mental/pschological state was damaged by the experience.
He had discovered much.

Mr Ransome’s report will of course recall the then national treasurer Mr Smith and his e-mails during the Electoral Commissioners case that appeared to request forms of misleading the authorities as to what was going on in certain contexts.

The report will explain how Mr Derek Clark MEP was always evidently able to deny any E.U. fraud office involvement with his affairs. Reports of false accounting and moneylaunding evidently untrue.

Mr Ransome needs to discuss any destruction of paperwork and computers if it ever happened.
Who was involved destroying the Nottingham office contents ( if it occurred).
Why would people do that ?
Were any originals or copies of attempts to reconcile our national accounts found there during the frenzy and destroyed, or taken to places from where they were hidden ?

Why were the failed attempts not given to the authorities and an investigation requested, in order to protect volunteer members. ?

As Mr Pain writes, ” Nigel is already watching me very carefully and it would stop me from trying to reform the party “
Mr Ransome needs to articulate those reforms as described by his regional chairman and NEC member, that hopefully take account of the above and perhaps even more.
” some great mileage her for Junius” writes Mr Pain over another of his wheezes.

Well before ‘Junius’ and Mr Pain go public, perhaps they will assist Mr Ransome with his report and deliver it to West Midlands police ( along with Mr Pain’s computers) where a live investigation has consumed resources for over one year now.
Volunteer members who were so very kind and generous deserve just that.

Finally , may I congratulate all of the decent volunteers with their recent Eastleigh by-election result, ( this following Corby and Rotheram) .They are a credit to the British Eurosceptic movement.

May I add a caveat! Whatever Ian Gillman may claim I have every reason to believe that Chris Pin hasn’t a clue nor any valid provenance as to who may be on The Junius Team and thus clearly has absolutely no influence over them or personal input to their articles or comments.You may safely be aware that several of the points Gillman attributes to Pain and a contact with Team Junius have been items supplied by myself to the team having garnered the information from third party verifiable sources almost all of whom are in The EU.

As with the simple fact that Chris Pain’s managing to get himself onto UKIP NEC has led to a great deal of annoyance on the part of Nigel Farage – seemingly just as he was determined to strangle the nascent aims of transparency, probity and openness of an accountable leadership represented by Dr. David Abbott, Dr. Eric Edmond and others as with Richard Suchorzewski and others previously.

It is also worth noting that of his own admission Ian Gillman is not very computer literate and has had detailed discussion with me in tyhe past regarding computer protection and clearly claimed he had no recognised computer anti virus system.

Frankly the degree of professionalism of the attacks on his computer, had he had even the simplest form of virus protection, way exceeds the importance of anything that might ever have been on his computer and never, in all his dramatic accusations has he EVER identified anything of consequence on his computer worthy of the efforts of professional standard hacking with or without anti virus.

Ask yourself what gain would ANYONE derive from hacking Gillman’s computer? He clearly has failed to convince me and others of any motivation anyone might have beyond seeking to possibly irritate him!

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    Seth Starkadder :
    Actually, you are reading plain English.
    Events that have so tragically shaped UKIP these last few years when a 29,500 membership in autumn 2004 should have been increased by many times, and we see a one year police investigation ongoing ( resources for which have to be justified, and the C.P.S. – or even in this case perhaps the Attourney General’s office, – convinced of a case with admissable evidence ) matters as discussed above do in fact impact.

    We have seen ‘Junius’ publish cartoons of Mr Clark MEP, including wareing his bedroom slippers whilst simultaneously correspondence backs up that which appears online.
    That is, derogeratory statements designed to undermine an original member who like myself and others similarly denegrated, started the party in the country from our own resources.

    When one reads about Mr Clark “…..his reputation for falling asleep……. time to hang up the slippers ! D.C…….. he has to go home for Horlicks and bed regardless………. “

    then he informs the world

    “….. some great mileage here for Junius………

    just a few bits to be put to print ! “

    Note the sneering !exclamation mark.

    He clearly states ” I will be happy to send on info to you in the future……..”

    Then why does he not publish the ‘info’ that explains why we lost so many decent volunteer members, the sources of the three £ 500 cheques, their onward transfer, into which accounts, the correspondence requesting back our hard earned money, and who exactly are the ‘Junius’ team who rather like Lord Rennard; are rather adept at getting their candidate elected.

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    That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gillman View Post
    Recalling our General Election ’round-up’ meeting which is invoked by the above I recall the Regional Organiser explaining to the the East Midlands committe how a candidate had particularly upset many volunteer members.
    He clearly indicated that a certain candidate would not be encouraged in his blatent and transparent intentions.
    I recall resignations due to behavoir not previously associated with those of us who started the branches and regions.
    The figure of £ 1,500 comes to mind in three cheques of £ 500 each , and clear written verbal and committee approved requests for return of our money. The chairman too had been approached.
    Bank statements show the truth of the matter, cheque books too. Yes the evidence mentioned above is available.
    Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???The verbal ‘trashing’ of the long term treasurer ( 15 years )was a disgrace. His treatment alone should have merited action by a discliplinary committee.
    The immediate condemnation of all that had gone before without any evidence of experience, intellect in these matters, or actual ability to effect anything better , again an utter disgrace. We volunteers had effected the election of ten MEP’s by giving up our time and resources to achieve those in elected office who would assist our withdrawel from the E.U.Correspondence widely circulated indicates that the ‘Junius’ team now have in place a long supported protegee.
    Little wonder then that Mr Derek Clark MEP is lampooned in cartoon form upon the internet, by a fountain in Nottingham, shown in his slippers, derided as liking his Horlicks, and derogatory comments are published about him when clear written statements are passed around about the leadership being carefully kept in the dark about exactly what is happening .
    Monday being the likely NEC meeting day should be very interesting.Will there be a challenge for the leadership ?Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???

    Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gillman View Post
    Seth Starkadder :
    Actually, you are reading plain English.
    Events that have so tragically shaped UKIP these last few years when a 29,500 membership in autumn 2004 should have been increased by many times, and we see a one year police investigation ongoing ( resources for which have to be justified, and the C.P.S. – or even in this case perhaps the Attourney General’s office, – convinced of a case with admissable evidence ) matters as discussed above do in fact impact.We have seen ‘Junius’ publish cartoons of Mr Clark MEP, including wareing his bedroom slippers whilst simultaneously correspondence backs up that which appears online.
    That is, derogeratory statements designed to undermine an original member who like myself and others similarly denegrated, started the party in the country from our own resources.When one reads about Mr Clark “…..his reputation for falling asleep……. time to hang up the slippers ! D.C…….. he has to go home for Horlicks and bed regardless………. “then he informs the world

    “….. some great mileage here for Junius………

    just a few bits to be put to print ! “

    Note the sneering !exclamation mark.

    He clearly states ” I will be happy to send on info to you in the future……..”

    Then why does he not publish the ‘info’ that explains why we lost so many decent volunteer members, the sources of the three £ 500 cheques, their onward transfer, into which accounts, the correspondence requesting back our hard earned money, and who exactly are the ‘Junius’ team who rather like Lord Rennard; are rather adept at getting their candidate elected.

    29,500 membership?
    could you please say where you got this figure from?
    esp as you say 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pain View Post
    That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?
    Here is the response of the underhand and cowardly FKEU – too ashamed of his lies, inuendo and behaviour to put his name to his cowardly carping:

    Intresting.
    Seems there are a nice group of people so desperate for UKIP to fail (as it seems they failed at being ukip themselves) they will spin lies to the sheep who lap them up as want to belive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pain View Post
    That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?
    Geoffrey Collier’s retort is:

    Chris Pain: While I do not know the identity of Tiquipaya, I am assured that it is not someone named Paula (whoever she is). From what you say evidence must exist as to her historic wrongdoings. Has she confessed to those? Is the R.O. to whom you refer, a Mr Ramsome who, for purposes of remuneration, denies being the RO and cites his occupation as that of Press Officer in EU ‘claims’ documentaion? The payments to you, I understand, relate to your candidacy in a parliamentary election, although I claim no first-hand knowledge as to the precise details. Apologise to the unfortunate Paula, keep rational, and start again.

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    Geoffrey, it’s quite ovbious that you know something about this slander and the person concerned! So let please put all the aleged info on here, re times, dates, people concerned and who posted this trash!!!!
    There is one problem I have never had any payements from the EMCC at all!
    I have not had a multiple of £500 cheques from the EMCC!
    I have not had a request by email, telephone or from the EMCC, because I have not had
    any money or had any funds period from the EMCC.
    Any one can contact any of the previous or the current EMCC members and my statement will be verified.This will then be confirmed as made up slander from someone that has a grudge against me personaly.
    So please can Tiquipa or yourself supply evidence of any kind re this issue, the answer is no because it does not exist. So please either put up or shut up and post a full appology on here!
    My NEC election result was exceptional, because other regions have got far more members than the East Mids, but this is just green eyed trouble making. After working hard in the party as an activist for eight years, organising two UKIP conferences, plus some decent results at GE’s by UKIP standards whilst repersenting the members, has gained their support. Then again it’s the MEP silly season soon and people will be crawling out from under their stones again, inorder to try to climb up the slimy pole.
    Junius in the past have both supported me and critised me, but there are several people whom I am aware have not voted for me because of the Junius recomendation, so it’s a two edged sword.
    So please Geoffrey please oblige with the information that I have requested above.

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    DELETED AS A DUPLICATE OF THE POST ABOVE!

I have a pretty clear understanding that the unfortunate Ian Gillman is unlikely to publish his evidence, probably using some ‘secret squirrel’ dellusion, and I know for certain he hasn’t a clue about Junius nor one shred of evidence that Chris Pain has ever spoken to or even knows Junius – though he may well speak to someone who supplies me with facts, as does Ian Gillman from time to time.Let us also be very clear that Derek Clark is a liar, untrustworthy, corrupt and self serving who has boasted openly of the amount of money he has defrauded the public purse of, and he was found guilty of defrauding the public purse of over £30,000 and ordered to repay the money he had perloined by OLAF – A similar amount of money as that which one of the other UKIP MEPs, Tom Wise, stole and for which Tom Wise was sentenced to 2 years in prison.I am morally certain that Chris Pain has never wittingly spoken to Junius and thus has never supplied Junius with material to publish. Regular readers will be aware that I personally NEVER confirm or deny who supplies me with the facts which I publish.

And then after an effort to censor the squabbling accusations and bickering broke out again (well it is UKIP! They fight like ferrets in a sack amongst the foot soldiers, just as their leadership does for lack of competence or ability) – note the time line:

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    Ian Gillman surely has proof of all he claims. I wonder why he declines to share the proof with the world. He could afford to lose a £500 deposit in Corby so the cost of a scanner cannot be beyond him.

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    Persons are taking to the telephone in some excitement now as a recently elected NEC member with great plans for his own reforms , a Chris Pain has so much to say.

    The word from many is that Chris P. in his G.E. campaign in Louth, Lincs. obtained £ 500 from the EMCC .
    Then he claimed that the money had not been paid to his campaign and he put a lot of pressure upon the officers to send another cheque. He said that the cheque had not arrived.

    Reluctantly, his campaign was sent another cheque for £ 500 on the clear understanding that if the first cheque turned up it was to be returned to the committee.

    Incredibly, both cheques were banked. A dishonest demand for the second cheque had been made and despite his assurances that only one cheque would be banked, both were.

    The EMCC, short of money and relying upon volunteers with many years standing of generousity were told about these matters. Chris P. was told in several telephone conversations to return the money, he failed to do so.
    Written requests were made for the return of the money, Chris P. ignored those requests.

    The EMCC , following the G.E. met and the R.O. Don Ransome made quite a speech about matters in Louth, and Chris P. in particular. He left an impression that Pain would not be encouraged any further in his membership of UKIP.Members felt let down and cheated.

    The MEP for the region Derek Clark experienced nasty e-mails circulated by Chris P. about him and he became aware of a steady yet ongoing campaign to destabalise him from his position. This, oddly whilst always boosting Pain’s position.

    I did hear that the party chairman was approached by Chris Pain for money too, but unsure of the amounts requested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiquipaya View Post
    Incredibly, both cheques were banked. A dishonest demand for the second cheque had been made and despite his assurances that only one cheque would be banked, both were.
    … Chris P. was told in several telephone conversations to return the money, he failed to do so.
    Written requests were made for the return of the money, Chris P. ignored those requests.

    Then the cowardly ‘Independent UKIP’ as ever ashamed to put his name to his sneering, defamations, inuendo and outright lies said:

    This was surely reported to the Police in 2005. What was the outcome of their investigation, as for some reason you’ve not made reference to that. Thanks.

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This was surely reported to the Police in 2005. What was the outcome of their investigation, as for some reason you’ve not made reference to that. Thanks.
To which Geoffrey Collier made the reply:

Independent UKIP: I made the accurate statement that Chris Pain was wrong to attribute to a Paula? the authorship of that posting. Who the lady is, or what reprehensible things which she did in the past, has no bearing whatever on the issue being discussed. She was certainly not the individual who posted that information. Mr Pain appears to have been voted on to the NEC to help to control the Party, while he clearly has difficulties in controlling himself. Why are the Forum rules applied so unevenly? An NEC member, for example, by the name of Mr Mcgough frequently makes accusations of certain individuals being in the ‘pay’ of others without required to produce evidence. Perhaps with the advantage of reflection, Mr Pain may recall his parliamentary election, and be willing to agree that his local branch did make a financial contribution to him. Is the gentleman saying that no such payment was made, and no banking evidence as a consequence can be produced? Was he both the candidate and sole financier of his campaign?

One can only speculate that Mick McGough’s lies, slanders and defamatory claims are permitted to remain because being known to all as a low life a liar and a cheat it is felt that the more he says the more he damages his own credibility as it is clear that his fellow travellers such as Independent UKIP, FKEU, SDP and their ilk are clearly damaging the credibility of UKIP – hard as that is to do since UKIP are now little more than the only available dustbin, wherein protesters against the two Political Parties in Britain and the LibDims can post their votes with virtually no fear of any long term consequence, as shown by the likes of those quoted above who ensure that UKIP will never achieve anything in domestic politics beyond the cult of the one man band.For more factual details regarding Chris Pain and these matters you may care to CLICK HERE

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Repeatedly UKIP has seen the very few honest individuals who get on The NEC dishonestly ousted be that Dr. David Abbott, Richard Suchorzewski, Dr. Eric Edmond and others!

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I was interested to note the strange comments on Anthony Butcher’s squalid little forum regarding the placement of individuals on UKIP’s NEC, clearly based on long term experience of UKIP selections and internal elections, the result can not be trusted to have been fairly rigged, and in fact the whole farrago was called into question due to the inept manner in which the rigging seemed to be taking place – hence the re-run!

Consider first the comments on the corrupt and managed Butcher Forum where lies and defamatory slander is something of a norm and every low life suppoerter of UKIP defames anyone with a reasoned alternative view yet few if any have the integrity to put their names to their idiotic comments as they shelter in cowardly and unconvincing anonymity behind their childish fake names!

The comments I noted were:

Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gillman:
We know that ‘Junius’ has consistantly supported one candidate.

No doubt ‘Junius’ and Mr Watkins will now require the quid-pro-quo for that support.

A rather silly fantasy though I gather Team Junius did indeed support Chris Paine.
It would be interesting to know ( to flatter the rather sad, untrustworthy and pedantic lad) what so called ‘quid pro quo’ it is that he fantasises of, particularly since he will note I never supported Paine as a candidate, all be it he was a cut above the others in terms of long term loyalty to UKIP having first risen to prominence in Boston some years ago as a supporter of one of UKIP’s most successful ever PPCs.
Quote Originally Posted by the cowardly Tiquipaya:

I fail to comprehend how Junius and a certain GLW can support Chris Paine his integrity has been questionable at past UKIP East Midlands meetings. Failure to repay £500 pounds as requested by the then treasurer and also a request from the EM committee were ignored by this gentleman. He claimed the cheque had been lost in the post and requested a duplicate the committee obliged only to find that both cheques had been presented for payment, therefore a request for repayment of £500 was made on repeated occasions via email, telephone and verbally without success. This money was earmarked for the Corby constituency, the greed of Chris Paine denied the hardworking members of the said constituency money that had already been allocated to them via the EM committee. Is this the calibre of person that UKIP wants to serve on its NEC? A person that is active for self advancement only.

One can not be surprised that this cowardly individual ‘fails to comprehend’ when he has in fact failed to even notice I had not supported Paine to any degree on my blogs – and you will note my comments at CLICK HERE
In fact I fail to see how this cowardly little man can see my publication of Paine’s letter of 30-Apr-2012 denouncing the behaviour of Derek Clarke’s puppet Regional Committee can be seen as helping Paine when one realises the leadership clique and its claque of cowards and fools have such an antipathy for honesty.
To deal with the claims made by the cowardly poster there would be far more – even some – credibility were he to put his name to his story!

I can see that such a situation might pertain in a committee managed by a drunken taxi driver and an MEP who has openly, frequently and repetitively lied to voters, members and the committee he gathered around him, about his own criminality and fraud yet was all too happy to boast at a public meeting in Derbyshire of how he defrtauded The EU on a regular basis.

You will note the money of which he boasted would not seem to reflect in donations to the party beyond ‘investment’ in getting himself back on the gravy train!

Perhaps it is the utter lack of integrity and habitual dishonesty of Derek Clarke that gave rise tyo the claims made by Anthony Butcher’s cowardly poster and his defamatory statements, which I for one will take with a pinch of salt until he is man enough to put his name to what can otherwise be treated as merely a defamatory smear.

That I have made little mention of the placement of Farage’s support team is hardly surprising as without exception they are unmemorable other than the odious and corrupt Mick McGough who no one of any integrity or self respe3ct would wish to have dealings with.

Perhaps the thoughts of The Junius Team might help clarify the situation:

Sunday, 24 February 2013

Congratulations to Chris Pain!

 

We would like to congratulate Chris Pain on his election to the NEC. At last, the NEC will have an independent voice! And we would like to thank all our readers who followed our advice to vote for Mr Pain.

We note that Wolfman McGough was re-elected. He now has another term in which to kiss the Fuhrer’s backside. He will enjoy that. It proves that you don’t have to have brains or talent to get ahead in UKIP. You only need the willingness to prostitute yourself for Nigel.

The Wolfman gets ready to enjoy another term as Nigel’s a*se licker
 
The other winning candidates are non-entities with little talent or brains – ideal members of the Farage Sycophants Club.
 
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Sebastian Fairweather (2,293)

Posted by at 14:57

Just for the record may I add my congratulations to Chris Paine for having been placed top in ‘The Process’ – no mean achievement for someone who is regularly quizzed and accused of supplying information to Team Junius – as ever without a shred of evidence on the part of the corrupt leadership of UKIP and its vile claque of cowards and fools.

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The Current Plight of UKIP

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I was interested to note Junius’ comments at CLICK HERE and elsewhere at HERE on the imbecilic input of Mick McGough & such as Kevin Mahoney and the various cowards in the UKIP leadership claque, all seemingly on the maker and the take – that were featured with many other dishonest comments on the odious little Anthony Butcher’s corrupt UKIP controlled Forum – little wonder that despite his transparent personal ambitions in politics that have seen him move from Party to party he now finds himself something of an outcast acting independently as a parish councillor in Ashton near Bristol!

A detailed series of informative articles and compilations of facts regarding many of the the characters in UKIP and associated with UKIP can be located if you CLICK HERE

it does rather look, from the incomplete summary by Ian Gillman, as if UKIP leadership and its claque are responsible for several £Millions of the money stolen for the public purse and doled out as bribes to UKIP politicians, wannabes and chums and possibly the same again raised directly from supporters has been at worst trousered and at best squandered.

When will UKIP stop showboating, squabbling, posturing and basing the defence of their catastrophic failure in UK domestic politics on ad hominem attacks on its supporters who dare to criticise their utter incompetence, total lack of transparency, contempt for democracy and the clear signs of self serving greed and mediocracy amongst its leadership clique and their claque.

Clearly I could not make the comments about myself that Junius team have made but in mild embarrassment and gratitude for the clarification I can confirm them!

I have only EVER posted in support of the core aim of UKIP towards the aim of Leave-The-EU, that sadly this has involved exposing corruption, dishonesty, lies, self serving, incompetence, fraud and outright theft in the ranks of UKIP leadership clique was NEVER going to make me popular with the low lifes I have exposed, along with a very few other honest men and women who have had the integrity to speak out.

That UKIP is in direct debt to me for some £12,500 + a further £1,000 so far and are too dishonourable to settle the debt is unarguable, as they colluded in the failed court case trying to set me up and bankrupt me that their employee Mark Croucher aided directly by Paul Nuttall, Clive Page and others so resoundingly lost. That trash like this who lack even the integrity to settle their debts as they shelter behind the skirts of The EU perhaps shows just what un British standards they espouse.

That they pretend to such shamefully low standards and even openly default on their debts and lie to and in the courts renders UKIP in its present state completely unfit for purpose and little wonder that their last two major backers were professional gamblers and prior to that Sykes, who made his capital in scrap dealing, who dallied with them (as with Wheeler) in an attempt to put lead into the pencil of the Tories – similarly the duplicitous liar and political non entity Malcolm Pearson, who was considered too stupid, by Margaret Thatcher, to be put forward as an MP and was placed in The House of Lords for his access to money!

To cover their corruption they are all too willing to lie and defame – time and time again using their muppets and puppets and playing on the ambitions of the inadequates and failures they have surrounded themselves with. Inadequates and failures put in place so that their ONLY presentable public performer, duplicitous and self serving in his personal insecurity as he may be, can shine out unchallenged, like a cockerel on top of a dung heap in a particularly squalid farm yard!

I predicted with accuracy the catastrophic outcome of the last general election and also UKIP’s catastrophic result with 9 out of 4,987 available seats won in the local elections and amongst those 9 there are clearly those who do more harm to the EUroSceptic cause and these United Kingdoms than could have been claimed as good done by UKIP over the last 20 years. With standards so low UKIP will continue to go nowhere!

In almost 20 years UKIP has NEVER produced an unarguably sound briefing paper on any subject, has devised and published no Exit & Survival Strategy see CLICK HERE, has very little record of good publicity of any gravitas but much honest bad publicity! UKIP have not even EVER held a sound training program and has failed utterly to inform the British public as to how or why we would in fact be Better Off Out of the EU.

I predicted UKIP was going nowhere and was unfit for purpose and have unfortunately been proved 100% right.

Further I have been lied about, lied to, defamed and attacked for stating the truth again and again. In association with UKIP clearly patriotism, effort and the truth are feared and reveiled!

Unless UKIP has a RADICAL clean-up with resignations of almost all its dishonest, corrupt, indolent, self serving parasites in its leadership clique and their claque they have no meaningful role in British politics as the British people have so voted again and again in domestic politics.

UKIP in its present form is an excrescence doing great harm to the EUroSceptic cause of many of its genuine and ill informed members.

That UKIP has recruited amongst naive and ambitious nobodies, children on the make who with the encouragement of one adult will take on the world whether right or wrong and the elderly who have seen the slide from dignity of Britain whilst they brought6 up the present breed of self interested political nebishes of today!

UKIP must grow up, clean up and start to do some work or fold its tent, admitting it has abjectly failed, and leave the field open for a truly valid EUroRealist force to emerge.

Having a small claque of cowards and filth posturing to protect the rotten core of UKIP is NOT politics I respect, condone or am prepared to collude with – UKIP would seem to be utterly bereft of any of the great values of these United Kingdoms and little wonder that all it can find are failed city clerks, professional gamblers and the rejects of other parties to espouse its cause and suck the life blood out of Patriotism.

Surely UKIP in its self interest and greed must realise what damage they are doing to our Country – do they care or are they as many have claimed merely a buffer invented by the EU to bring EUroScepticism into disrepute?

Let us also note that UKIP having failed catastrophically in the local elections wuith a mere 9 seats out of 4,987 has not only proven their irrelevance in British politics but have done nothing whatsoever of note beyond seek scapegoats for their collective incompetence and attack all who try to show them for the charlatans they are in the hope of creating a clean up of the shower in leadership to give the party some hope of a future of some sort of relevance.

It may well be that UKIP is too ill informed to address the problems head on and campaign to inform the British people and for better media coverage at a time when Spain has effectively gone bust as no one would lend them the money to continue their clearly incompetent governance that sees them with 25% unemployment and a youth unemployment of almost 50% declared – they have absolutely no hope of repayment of loans and so no rational organisation would lend them money.

In steps the least rational financial institute in the world – The EU and in a desperate attempt to fudge the validity of their failed EUro currency they are GIVING Spain a £100 Billion bailout to keep them stumbling forward for a while – thus having failed to solve the Portuguese problem The Irish problem, the Italian problem, the Greek problem they now show they can not solve the Spanish problem.

Expect an upward flurry amongst the professional gamblers of the stock exchanges and money markets but when they realise this is just another handout of public money with no solution or long term gain the gamblers will realise the EUro is as busted as it ever was and without solution and them watch the crash!

Where is UKIP in stepping forward with ideas and solutions as they are paid to do – they like any fool can clamour at the failure but they were elected to WORK towards solutions and they have done NOTHING of any value.

Regards,
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ADDITION 12:45hrs. 12-Jun-2012:
It will be noted that although Ian Gillman’s posting called upon the odious liar Mick McGough to help clarify the apparent systemic theft of money, in one way or another, by UKIP leadership clique and its claque one will note he duplicitously side stepped the request with the following comment posted on the UKIP controlled public forum at 07:21hrs. this morning:
Surely your best course of action Mr Gilman is to contact the Police,the Registrar of Companies,HMRC and the ICAEW with your concerns.Either action will be taken or you will be dismissed as a timewaster.
Clearly it was not Gillman’s intent to destroy UKIP at this stage but to clear up the doubt over missing £Millions he alludes to.

Initially the aim is to find answers and seek to clean the party up and try to give it a reputation and gravitas to restore its position as a force in EUroSceptic politics but clearly Mick McGough is too stupid to see this and seeks the nuclear option rather than admit his involvement in some area of the corruption as perhaps his collusion with Andrew Smith and the undemocratic behaviour of the eastern region committee or his lies regarding his position in the party to cheat his associates in selection on the PMEP lists.

Hard to tell but since clearly were he a man of integrity he could assist the party he clearly declines the opportunity – no doubt for personal gain.

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