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Chris Pain Finds UKIP Squabbling Like Ferrets in a Sack!
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New NEC Member Chris Pain Finds UKIP Members & Supporters Squabbling Like Ferrets in a Sack!
So what is new I guess!
Could you imagine this shower ever having authority in a position of Governance & trust!
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Thread: UKIP: NEC election results
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Yesterday, 09:23 PM #11
Seth Starkadder :
Actually, you are reading plain English.
Events that have so tragically shaped UKIP these last few years when a 29,500 membership in autumn 2004 should have been increased by many times, and we see a one year police investigation ongoing ( resources for which have to be justified, and the C.P.S. – or even in this case perhaps the Attourney General’s office, – convinced of a case with admissable evidence ) matters as discussed above do in fact impact.We have seen ‘Junius’ publish cartoons of Mr Clark MEP, including wareing his bedroom slippers whilst simultaneously correspondence backs up that which appears online.
That is, derogeratory statements designed to undermine an original member who like myself and others similarly denegrated, started the party in the country from our own resources.When one reads about Mr Clark “…..his reputation for falling asleep……. time to hang up the slippers ! D.C…….. he has to go home for Horlicks and bed regardless………. “
then he informs the world
“….. some great mileage here for Junius………
just a few bits to be put to print ! “
Note the sneering !exclamation mark.
He clearly states ” I will be happy to send on info to you in the future……..”
Then why does he not publish the ‘info’ that explains why we lost so many decent volunteer members, the sources of the three £ 500 cheques, their onward transfer, into which accounts, the correspondence requesting back our hard earned money, and who exactly are the ‘Junius’ team who rather like Lord Rennard; are rather adept at getting their candidate elected.
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Yesterday, 09:53 PM #12
That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?
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Yesterday, 10:06 PM #13
Originally Posted by Ian Gillman 
Recalling our General Election ’round-up’ meeting which is invoked by the above I recall the Regional Organiser explaining to the the East Midlands committe how a candidate had particularly upset many volunteer members.
He clearly indicated that a certain candidate would not be encouraged in his blatent and transparent intentions.
I recall resignations due to behavoir not previously associated with those of us who started the branches and regions.
The figure of £ 1,500 comes to mind in three cheques of £ 500 each , and clear written verbal and committee approved requests for return of our money. The chairman too had been approached.
Bank statements show the truth of the matter, cheque books too. Yes the evidence mentioned above is available.Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???The verbal ‘trashing’ of the long term treasurer ( 15 years )was a disgrace. His treatment alone should have merited action by a discliplinary committee.
The immediate condemnation of all that had gone before without any evidence of experience, intellect in these matters, or actual ability to effect anything better , again an utter disgrace. We volunteers had effected the election of ten MEP’s by giving up our time and resources to achieve those in elected office who would assist our withdrawel from the E.U.Correspondence widely circulated indicates that the ‘Junius’ team now have in place a long supported protegee.
Little wonder then that Mr Derek Clark MEP is lampooned in cartoon form upon the internet, by a fountain in Nottingham, shown in his slippers, derided as liking his Horlicks, and derogatory comments are published about him when clear written statements are passed around about the leadership being carefully kept in the dark about exactly what is happening .
Monday being the likely NEC meeting day should be very interesting.Will there be a challenge for the leadership ?Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???
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Yesterday, 10:41 PM #14 Originally Posted by Ian Gillman Seth Starkadder :
Actually, you are reading plain English.
Events that have so tragically shaped UKIP these last few years when a 29,500 membership in autumn 2004 should have been increased by many times, and we see a one year police investigation ongoing ( resources for which have to be justified, and the C.P.S. – or even in this case perhaps the Attourney General’s office, – convinced of a case with admissable evidence ) matters as discussed above do in fact impact.We have seen ‘Junius’ publish cartoons of Mr Clark MEP, including wareing his bedroom slippers whilst simultaneously correspondence backs up that which appears online.
That is, derogeratory statements designed to undermine an original member who like myself and others similarly denegrated, started the party in the country from our own resources.When one reads about Mr Clark “…..his reputation for falling asleep……. time to hang up the slippers ! D.C…….. he has to go home for Horlicks and bed regardless………. “then he informs the world“….. some great mileage here for Junius………
just a few bits to be put to print ! “
Note the sneering !exclamation mark.
He clearly states ” I will be happy to send on info to you in the future……..”
Then why does he not publish the ‘info’ that explains why we lost so many decent volunteer members, the sources of the three £ 500 cheques, their onward transfer, into which accounts, the correspondence requesting back our hard earned money, and who exactly are the ‘Junius’ team who rather like Lord Rennard; are rather adept at getting their candidate elected.
29,500 membership?
could you please say where you got this figure from?
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Yesterday, 10:44 PM #15 Originally Posted by Chris Pain That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?Here is the response of the underhand and cowardly FKEU – too ashamed of his lies, inuendo and behaviour to put his name to his cowardly carping:
Intresting.
Seems there are a nice group of people so desperate for UKIP to fail (as it seems they failed at being ukip themselves) they will spin lies to the sheep who lap them up as want to belive it. -
Today, 10:55 AM #16 Originally Posted by Chris Pain That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?Geoffrey Collier’s retort is:
Chris Pain: While I do not know the identity of Tiquipaya, I am assured that it is not someone named Paula (whoever she is). From what you say evidence must exist as to her historic wrongdoings. Has she confessed to those? Is the R.O. to whom you refer, a Mr Ramsome who, for purposes of remuneration, denies being the RO and cites his occupation as that of Press Officer in EU ‘claims’ documentaion? The payments to you, I understand, relate to your candidacy in a parliamentary election, although I claim no first-hand knowledge as to the precise details. Apologise to the unfortunate Paula, keep rational, and start again.
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Today, 11:42 AM #17
Geoffrey, it’s quite ovbious that you know something about this slander and the person concerned! So let please put all the aleged info on here, re times, dates, people concerned and who posted this trash!!!!
There is one problem I have never had any payements from the EMCC at all!
I have not had a multiple of £500 cheques from the EMCC!
I have not had a request by email, telephone or from the EMCC, because I have not had
any money or had any funds period from the EMCC.
Any one can contact any of the previous or the current EMCC members and my statement will be verified.This will then be confirmed as made up slander from someone that has a grudge against me personaly.
So please can Tiquipa or yourself supply evidence of any kind re this issue, the answer is no because it does not exist. So please either put up or shut up and post a full appology on here!
My NEC election result was exceptional, because other regions have got far more members than the East Mids, but this is just green eyed trouble making. After working hard in the party as an activist for eight years, organising two UKIP conferences, plus some decent results at GE’s by UKIP standards whilst repersenting the members, has gained their support. Then again it’s the MEP silly season soon and people will be crawling out from under their stones again, inorder to try to climb up the slimy pole.
Junius in the past have both supported me and critised me, but there are several people whom I am aware have not voted for me because of the Junius recomendation, so it’s a two edged sword.
So please Geoffrey please oblige with the information that I have requested above. -
Today, 11:49 AM #18
DELETED AS A DUPLICATE OF THE POST ABOVE!
And then after an effort to censor the squabbling accusations and bickering broke out again (well it is UKIP! They fight like ferrets in a sack amongst the foot soldiers, just as their leadership does for lack of competence or ability) – note the time line:
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Today, 01:54 PM #7
Reminder of the rules:
“Posters are responsible for content of their posts and should be in a position to stand by any of their claims through publicly providing proof of any allegation. (i.e “I have an original e-mail” is no good if you won’t/can’t post it)”
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Today, 02:47 PM #8
Ian Gillman surely has proof of all he claims. I wonder why he declines to share the proof with the world. He could afford to lose a £500 deposit in Corby so the cost of a scanner cannot be beyond him.
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Today, 04:27 PM #9
Persons are taking to the telephone in some excitement now as a recently elected NEC member with great plans for his own reforms , a Chris Pain has so much to say.
The word from many is that Chris P. in his G.E. campaign in Louth, Lincs. obtained £ 500 from the EMCC .
Then he claimed that the money had not been paid to his campaign and he put a lot of pressure upon the officers to send another cheque. He said that the cheque had not arrived.Reluctantly, his campaign was sent another cheque for £ 500 on the clear understanding that if the first cheque turned up it was to be returned to the committee.
Incredibly, both cheques were banked. A dishonest demand for the second cheque had been made and despite his assurances that only one cheque would be banked, both were.
The EMCC, short of money and relying upon volunteers with many years standing of generousity were told about these matters. Chris P. was told in several telephone conversations to return the money, he failed to do so.
Written requests were made for the return of the money, Chris P. ignored those requests.The EMCC , following the G.E. met and the R.O. Don Ransome made quite a speech about matters in Louth, and Chris P. in particular. He left an impression that Pain would not be encouraged any further in his membership of UKIP.Members felt let down and cheated.
The MEP for the region Derek Clark experienced nasty e-mails circulated by Chris P. about him and he became aware of a steady yet ongoing campaign to destabalise him from his position. This, oddly whilst always boosting Pain’s position.
I did hear that the party chairman was approached by Chris Pain for money too, but unsure of the amounts requested.
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Today, 04:47 PM #10 Originally Posted by Tiquipaya Incredibly, both cheques were banked. A dishonest demand for the second cheque had been made and despite his assurances that only one cheque would be banked, both were.
… Chris P. was told in several telephone conversations to return the money, he failed to do so.
Written requests were made for the return of the money, Chris P. ignored those requests.Then the cowardly ‘Independent UKIP’ as ever ashamed to put his name to his sneering, defamations, inuendo and outright lies said:
This was surely reported to the Police in 2005. What was the outcome of their investigation, as for some reason you’ve not made reference to that. Thanks.
This was surely reported to the Police in 2005. What was the outcome of their investigation, as for some reason you’ve not made reference to that. Thanks.To which Geoffrey Collier made the reply:Independent UKIP: I made the accurate statement that Chris Pain was wrong to attribute to a Paula? the authorship of that posting. Who the lady is, or what reprehensible things which she did in the past, has no bearing whatever on the issue being discussed. She was certainly not the individual who posted that information. Mr Pain appears to have been voted on to the NEC to help to control the Party, while he clearly has difficulties in controlling himself. Why are the Forum rules applied so unevenly? An NEC member, for example, by the name of Mr Mcgough frequently makes accusations of certain individuals being in the ‘pay’ of others without required to produce evidence. Perhaps with the advantage of reflection, Mr Pain may recall his parliamentary election, and be willing to agree that his local branch did make a financial contribution to him. Is the gentleman saying that no such payment was made, and no banking evidence as a consequence can be produced? Was he both the candidate and sole financier of his campaign?
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