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Racism Clearly Rife In UKIP!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/05/2013

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Hi,This internal UKIP conversation was forwarded to me by someone seeking to expose the underlying levels of racism in UKIP, who had had it mailed to them so to protect their identity I had to leave out the next step of the conversation, but this alone goes some way to show just how deeply entrenched is the inadequacy of many senior UKIP members and just how ignorant they are of the background of many Muslims they are, not to mention how unchristian their values are amongst UKIP and how extensive their racist roots are!

On 23 May 2013, at 21:46, Brian Ransley <brian@dandini.com> wrote:
Hi Piers & colleagues,
Yesterday’s incident in Woolwich and Cameron’s pathetic claptrap today – “never give in to terrorism” – it’s been here in the UK for years and successive governments have done nothing. Surely this gives UKIP a chance: let’s get away from the widely held and spouted view of CON/LAB/LIB politicians that the vast majority of muslims are law abiding and these attacks are isolated incidents. The modus operandi is clear although it’s not in the Koran – jihad is being preached by imams in mosques up and down the country while our PC-riddled police turn a blind eye. Incitement to kill is a serious crime in this country and the perpetrators must be rounded up and punished. Many muslims have dual passports, allowing them to come and go as they please in order to visit grandma in a remote part of Pakistan etc. Anyone convicted of incitement who is found to have “dual nationality” should be deported immediately on completion of their sentences, (although British public is also tired of putting them up at their expense). No sharia law either – if they can’t abide by British laws then their welcome is ended. It’s time the police did their job – access to emails and the internet in general is easy and intelligence gathering is well within their grasp provided the politicians leave them to do the job.
 And on the subject of political control of the police: the 16% turnout and the ridicule poured down on our Kent Police Commissioner following her ridiculous appointment earlier this year stand out: time already to abolish this expensive and unnecessary layer of bureaucracy. The Home Secretary is an elected politician and to he alone should the police report. And let the police do the job they were designed to do – as Tom Windsor spelt out a few weeks ago – TO PREVENT CRIME – instead of this stupid “keeping us safe” (they don’t and can’t of course without shutting everything down).
 

From: John Austen <johnausten@mac.com>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:19:15 +0200
To: (REDACTED)
Cc: (REDACTED)
Subject: Re: Policy
I think it should be made plain that the entire family of any individual who commits a terrorist are all deported. I do not believe the claims of family members that they never knew their husband, father, or brother was planning jihad. These people might think twice if while they were enjoying paradise with their 40 virgins (what do the women get?) their families are sent back to the hole they left behind in the middle and far east.
But it will never happen.
Subject: Re: Policy
To:
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CC: (REDACTED)
From: brianthebear41@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 06:55:57 +0000

72 virgins. What happens after they’ve all been taken isn’t clear. BR
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
Regards,
Brian Ransley
I appreciate this does not represent the views, values or opinions of all in UKIP but it is irefutable that UKIP leade rship is represented by this type of conversation or why else would they prostitute UKIP to support and assistance to their undeniably racist allies in The EU.Claims that UKIP are not racist are clearly dishonest, and as plausible as The EDL pretending they have ethics and represent anything other than the basest and most odious in our society – yet you will be aware that various senior UKIP members are closely affiliated to The EDL and some attend their vile parades and protests.

One need only read the vile incitement to hatred based on superstition and ethnicity emanating from the odious liar and UKIP MEP Gerard Batten to realise just how racist UKIP is and furthermore just how blinkered they are to their own racism and corrupt hatred and all based on stupid superstition and ignorance!

It never ceases to astonish me that UKIP members can be foolish as to reject my considered contention that UKIP led by Nigel Farage is about as much use, in terms of EUroScepticism as they are fit for purpose leading an EU withdrawalist group!

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Greg_L-W.

PS  05-Jun-2013:
I have REDACTED the names of those to whom distribution was made as I gather that sadly, it being UKIP, certain of the recipients of the correspondence shown were being harassed for being recipients of this correspondence where clearly they had not authored the material.

I have NOT seen rebuttal of this unpleasant racist series of UKIP eMails to date! However I am unsurprised as clearly UKIP is a fundamentally racist party, as shown by its close association with various more honest and overt racist parties and organisations!
GL-W..

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UKIP Seemingly Working To Destroy EUroScepticism!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 14/05/2013

UKIP Seemingly Working To Destroy EUroScepticism!
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UKIP Seemingly Working To Destroy EUroScepticism!
With no intelligible strategy, understanding of tactics or viable plan, beyond naked ambition, UKIP is more likely to ensure ever deeper entrapment in The EU than realise the aim to Leave-The-EU!

Bereft of leadership and with so few representatives elected and of such low grade, in the main, UKIP is a part of the problerm and has no part in the solution, sadly for those of us who support its core claims!
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Hi,

the unprofessional nature of UKIP and its utter incompetence in terms of management, example and leadership is becoming more and more obvious on a daily basis.

That there was a welter of bad publicity just before the elections was not just a one off in the media’s exploitation of UKIP as a tool with which to stir the pot!

Instances such as Mr. Kitson’s irresponsible and clearly racist behaviour is not an isolated case as we have seen with the racist affiliations UKIP’s leadership has CHOSEN, let alone the serial fraud and crass irresponsibility of its elected MEPs and the vile nature and ill advised behaviour of its cowardly claque of self serving supporters and their cyber bullying and lies to prop up their efforts to defame those who seek to clean up the party, whilst they shelter in cowardly anonymity too ashamed to put their names to their odious behaviour.

One need only look at how the few UKIP elected officials, their staff and supporters conduct themselves to realise that not only are they unfit for purpose but that they hold no values any honourable Brit, of any ethics or integrity, would be other than ashamed of!

Clearly we have seen the undeniable damage done by UKIP’s unprinciples self serving stupidity has led to –  within days of the local elections, where out of 1,700+ seats they contested they obtained a risible 147 and their best % of the electorate in any constituency was 8% thus showing they failed to mobilise any sort of patriotic revolt and were just the dustbin into which protesters, amongst the 1/3rd. who bothered to even turn out to vote, disposed of their ballot rights!

Now having failed to put in the work to educate the public and having ridden on the crest of a wave not of their making, UKIP without strategy, tactics or even a viable plan or exit and survival strategy seek glory in efforts to tumble Britain’s only viable hope that we could work to Leave-The-EU!

We see Campell moved to present a draft Bill for Parliament to pass into law the undertaking that Britain will hold an IN / OUT Referendum – a Bill which even if it were to pass its first reading (which is hugely unlikely as it will not be backed by the majority of MPs as many Tories will not support it and few LibDims or Labour would countenance it).

Has UKIP’s crass and ill concieved intervention tyhus led to a catastrophe for EUroScepticism by forcing such a Bill forward when it is assured to fail!

On a more parochial level, due to lack of competence and ineptitude in checking and vetting candidates the story of Mr. Kitson, recently elected to Worcester Council is unlikely to be a one off! As UKIP ploughs childishly and ineptly ahead befouling the aims of those who wish to Leave-The-EU!

UKIP councillor Eric Kitson’s ‘racist’ Facebook posts probed

Eric Kitson won the Stourport-on-Severn seat on 2 May

UKIP officials are investigating claims a new Worcestershire councillor posted offensive material about Muslims on Facebook.

Eric Kitson, who won the Stourport-on-Severn seat on 2 May, said he shared racist cartoons and jokes only to show people how “disgusting” they were.

He said it had been “stupid” for him to share the messages, which were posted last year, and apologised.

He has shut his Facebook account and said he was considering resigning.

Mr Kitson said he did not “have a racist bone in my body – it’s just a bit of bloody stupidity”.

‘Really, really ill’ The UK Independence Party councillor is alleged to have shared, among other things, a cartoon of Muslim people being burnt at the stake with copies of the Koran fuelling the flames.

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I’m not a politician – I’m a bit of a fool really”

Councillor Eric Kitson UKIP

Mr Kitson, who said he had “several Muslim friends and Jamaican friends”, added: “I was saying, ‘look at this, it’s disgusting. People are looking at it now and seeing things differently.”

He also admitted posting a comment suggesting UKIP should work with other parties, including the BNP.

He added: “With hindsight I should not have done what I did, but I did it because I just didn’t agree with [those posts] and wanted other people to look and see if they agreed or didn’t agree.”

Mr Kitson said national attention over the issue had made him “feel really, really ill”.

He added that with hindsight he should have made it clear he disagreed with the things he was sharing.

He said: “I’m not a politician – I’m a bit of a fool really.”

Police contacted A UKIP spokesperson said the party was investigating.

The spokesperson said the issue had been discussed at a meeting of the party’s national executive to establish how to conduct the investigation.

Worcestershire County Council The authority said councillors were expected to follow its code of conduct

The matter is being dealt with at a national level, not just with the local party in Worcestershire, the spokesperson said.

West Mercia Police confirmed the force had been contacted about the matter.

A spokesperson said police had “asked for further information to be supplied so that we can look at it properly”.

Worcestershire County Council’s head of legal and democratic services, Simon Mallinson, said he would avoid commenting on any individual case but elected members were expected to comply with the council’s code of conduct.

He added: “Any complaint that this code has been breached when acting in such a role will be carefully considered.”

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Britain Betrayed – Sadly Guido Hits The Mark

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/05/2013

Britain Betrayed – Sadly Guido Hits The Mark
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Britain Betrayed – Sadly Guido Hits The Mark with his oh so prescient cartoon!!

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Hi,

it seems Guido is getting the message regarding UKIP leadership’s position of ‘win win’!

UKIP has firmly establisherd itself as at the forefront of extremist, racist, anti homosexual, anti Jewish xenophobes in the EU political diaspora with not just its allegiance with The EFD Group but as founders of the Pan EU Political Group which Nigel Farage leads in EU politics and also its association with Berlesconi through its p[artners Lega Nord and also Marie LePen’s extremist Nationalist Party in France who are members of the extreme right wing group founded by UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom.

Just where would UKIP be without their leading role in The EU Parliament where they are seem largely as comic relief from the tedioum of the endles sound bite speeches of the parliament designed for consumption in the home constituencies of the various comrades working to sell out the self determination of their once sovereign nations now consigned to irrelevant vassal status and dependent on the sales skills of their MEPs and leading politicians to dupe their peoples in return for the massive bribes paid from the excessive taxation of the disenfranchised peoples of the EU vassal states.

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To view the original of this cartoon CLICK HERE
Sadly for those of us who value patriotism and the Sovereign Nation State and wish to Leave-The-EU – UKIP has done imeasurable damage to the possibility of our desire to excercise self determination as a Sovereign Nation State, when we Leave-The-EU.

It is hard to uidentify a single solitary achievement in terms of EUroScepticism made by UKIP in 20 years other than in serving their own self interest and enriching a clique of ne’r do wells and rascals – supported by an ever more dumbed down claque of self serving supporters and ill informed armchair TV addicted elderly and those who value yob culture as portrayed by the cheeky chappy in the pub mentality of political nihilism from the buffgoons forming UKIP’s leadership.

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Ex UKIP MEP Exposes Some Home Truths About UKIP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/04/2013

Ex UKIP MEP Exposes Some Home Truths About UKIP
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Ex UKIP MEP Marta Andreasen Exposes Some Home Truths About Nigel Farage’s centrally controlled and vile extremist UKIP!!

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Ex-MEP Marta Andreasen claims Ukip peddles ‘lies’ as high-profile Tory MP Priti Patel’s father announces he is standing for election

Former MEP claims Nigel Farage is to blame for failing to vet candidates with far-right links

This February, Marta Andreasen became the third MEP to quit Ukip in two years
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The UK Independence Party tells “lies” to stir up fear of immigrants and Nigel Farage is personally to blame for failing to vet candidates with far right links, one of its former leading MEPs has claimed.

Marta Andreasen’s comments came as the Ukip leader spoke of his pride that the party was managing to reduce the BNP’s vote share by winning the support of people who had previously voted for Nick Griffin’s party.

Ukip, which is riding high in the polls ahead of Thursday’s local elections, has come under pressure over the backgrounds of several of its candidates. Today it suspended the membership of an activist who was photographed apparently making a Nazi salute.

Mr Farage has always insisted the party is colour blind and bans former supporters of the BNP and other far-right groups from membership.

But Ms Andreasen, who defected to the Conservatives three months ago, said she had become concerned that Ukip, which is fielding more than 1,700 candidates, was increasingly stirring up hatred against immigrants in its campaigning.

And she claimed she was still receiving calls from party members alarmed at its strategy and choice of candidates.

Ms Andreasen told The Independent: “Even if they say they have changed the constitution to have less BNP [members], they actually are taking the ground of the BNP and they have many members who are coming from the BNP and the National Front.”

The MEP, who represents the south-east of England, said Ukip had “generated a lot of anxiety” by playing on anti-immigration sentiment in the recent by-election in Eastleigh, where the party came second ahead of the Tories and Labour.

She said: “If you saw the campaign in Eastleigh it was all about immigration and they lie, they produce data which is ridiculous, they say the whole population of Bulgaria and Romania is going to come to the UK.”

Mr Farage admitted that the party faced “one or two teething problems” in selecting its representatives and admitted that it “does not look very pretty” to have a candidate pictured making the Nazi salute. He said: “We don’t have the resources to trawl through absolutely everybody’s social media sites and that has led to one or two embarrassments.”

But Ms Andreasen, a former chief accountant for the European Commission, said it was Mr Farage’s jealousy of potential competitors inside the “one-man band” party that had prevented candidates from having their records checked.

She said Mr Farage changed the party’s constitution last year “giving him full power on everything, including the establishment of strategy, policies and selection processes for candidates for elections”.

She added: “He has come out saying ‘we cannot vet everybody’ – well he cannot vet everybody because he wants the control himself. He should have been able to establish an administration with the means to vet, even if it’s 1,700 candidates. He’s the one who put candidates all over the place in as many seats as possible… He’s  very attractive to the media because he’s a showman but he doesn’t have the patience or the interest in dealing with data.”

There is no love lost between the pair, with Mr Farage responding to Ms Andreasen’s defection by saying the Conservatives “deserve what is coming to them”, adding: “The woman is impossible.”

Ukip is aiming to capture around 14 per cent of the vote in tomorrow’s elections. While that is unlikely to win the party many seats it could deprive other parties – notably the Tories – of victory in close-fought contests.

It is also expected to finish second in the parliamentary by-election in the safe Labour seat of South Shields.

During a campaign visit to the constituency, Mr Farage insisted he was doing more than any political leader to counter the BNP.

He said Ukip was managing to reach out to voters concerned about immigration while refusing to pander to racial prejudice. “By adopting that strategy we have actually taken away one-third of the BNP vote. Nobody has done more [than me] to damage the BNP in British politics.”

Ukip received a pre-elections fillip with the disclosure that a candidate is the father of the high-profile Tory MP Priti Patel. Sushil Patel is standing in the Hertfordshire County Council elections.

Tory sources initially claimed he would stand down to avoid embarrassing her, but last night he insisted he was standing. He said: “My views are my own and I am astonished there has been quite so much interest in my candidacy.”

Marta Andreasen: Ex-MEP who is no stranger to controversy

A Spanish national, born in Argentina, Marta Andreasen, 58, was once chief accountant for the European Commission.

She was suspended after raising concerns about its financial records, first via a letter to its then president, Romano Prodi, before  publicly accusing the organisation of  having worse accounts than Enron.

She entered the European Parliament for Ukip in 1999 and was re-elected twice, becoming party treasurer in 2007.

This February, she became the third MEP to quit Ukip in two years amid rows about policies, personalities and far-right allegiances.

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An Informed View on UKIP by an Ex-Employee

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/04/2013

 

An Informed View on UKIP by an Ex-Employee
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An Informed View on UKIP by Dr. Richard North, an Ex-Employee of UKIP aka Nigel Farage!!

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as this web site is a blog of facts and clearly shown opinions of UKIP published by and as supporters of the UKIP principle of Leave-The-EU as an archive, which is largely indifferent to how many people read it but clearly providing a resource for serious journalists, and others, researching facts and sourced opinions.

Unlike UKIP membership at the moment where UKIP leadership makes much of numbers this blog is interested in quality rather than quantity.

To that end we have no qualms in posting material that is informative showing clearly the source of the material published, be that as a source acting in support of details on the blog or as facts or opinions in their own right hence I am republishing the following article by ex UKIP research director, personal assistant and thus confidante of Nigel Farage Dr. Richard North:

 UK politics: UKIP doesn’t do policy – shock!

 Sunday 28 April 2013

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The Observer is running a front page story on UKIP’s “chaos” over policy. One response, though, is to smile at the din of the chickens, inbound to diverse roosting points. At the same time, one despairs at the ten wasted years when some serious policy development could have been underway.

Then, one can only marvel at the irony at the Observer identifying the ghastly Bloom as the “senior MEP” complaining about the lack of policy. Farage aside, if there is one man at whose door responsibility can be laid for the policy vacuum, it is Godfrey Bloom.

On the other hand, though, this is a win-win situation for UKIP’s critics. Given a policy vacuum, they can criticise the party for its lack of policy. But, had the party actually develop any policy worthy of its name, it would then be open house on attacking UKIP policy.

The fact is, of course, that no matter what UKIP did at this current juncture, it is creating such a “disturb” that its rivals would be seeking weaknesses to bring to the attention of the electorate. That is what party politics is all about.

The great shame is that, should UKIP actually succeed in gaining a number of seats, then the policy vacuum will really matter. Successful candidates will find themselves having to make policy on the hoof, with all the lack of coherence and contradictions that that implies.

From there, the likelihood is that we will see a familiar pattern. The newly emergent party will be no more able to deliver than the ones it replaces. After a short honeymoon, faction fighting will break out (as it always does). Disillusionment will sets in, the public will loss faith and move on to another potential saviour – or give up altogether.

It is never possible, nor wise, at this juncture, to predict what will happen, but one can always learn from the past and what has happened. And here, for more then ten years, I have been warning UKIP about its lack of intellectual base, and the lack of is policy development. Now, the wasted years are taking their toll.

Needless to say, Lord Ashcroft in the Mail on Sunday has a different “take”, charging that the UKIP leader is in it for himself, destroying the only chance eurosceptics have of getting an “in-out” referendum.

If it was the case that Cameron’s offer of a referendum was genuine, and that he was truly set to give us an “in-out” choice, instead of a rigged poll, based on some mythical renegotiations. But, since the offer lacks any credibility, Ashcroft’s points simply amount to special pleading.

What the establishment politicians cannot cope with though, is that they are so tarnished by their lies, deception and indifference to public wishes, that an increasing number of voters would prefer the dubious blandishments of the Farage show, compared with anything that they have to offer.

No one with any intelligence seriously expects UKIP to deliver anything of substance. But as a commentary on the poverty of establishment politics, it is very hard to beat.

To the extent that a vote for UKIP is a vote against the establishment, it doesn’t really matter what the likes of the Observer or Lord Ashcroft say. In fact, the more they squeak and squirm, the more attractive UKIP becomes – since the whole objective is to see the establishment in disarray.

But when the UKIP supporters are done, there will still be that policy vacuum, and there will still be some serious politics to do. One trusts that there will be some grown-ups left to fill the gaps that UKIP leaves.

Richard North 28/04/2013

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UKIP Exposed – What Goes Around, Comes Around!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/04/2013

UKIP Exposed – What Goes Around, Comes Around!
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UKIP Exposed in the media on many fronts!

UKIP dishonesty, corruption and hypocricy are becoming clear for all to see!

True they are little different to many others in the septic tank of politics and public office but their only real claim to fame was that they were different!!

Be assured UKIP leadership are at least as corrupt as the mosdt corrupt in other parties!

What Goes Around, Comes Around!!!

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in waiting to ensure it had been puvlished I note Junius has brought the facts to the attention of readers as follows:

UKIP’s election campaign decends to farce as Bloom admits party lacks credible policies!

 
Incompetence is no excuse
 
And so UKIP’s leadership continues to be exposed as incompetent. Even Godfrey Bloom – UKIP MEP, serial womaniser and drunkard – admits it in a series of leaked emails!
 
And how we laughed at Farage and those sycophants who have been bleating on about how those nasty Tories have been leaking facts to the press about extremist elements in the party. Sob! LINK
 
UKIP’s leadership wanted to enter the big league. Were they that naive to think that all those skeletons would remain hidden in the wake of increased media attention? And let us not forget that the Tories wouldn’t have any stories to leak if the candidates in question hadn’t been caught with their trousers/skirts down! Or is Farage too stupid to realise that?
 
And let us not forget that UKIP is not above attempting to smear their opponents or former supporters. Nikki Sinclaire, former UKIP MEP, was the subject of one such attempt by elements close to Farage.
 
And UKIP can’t even decide how many candidates are standing for the party on May 2nd! They claim 1700 +. Independent research by the Guardian has found 1217. And to make matter worse, Farage recently stated that over 1800 were standing!
 
So the party can’t even be trusted to tell the truth when it comes to the number of candidates standing. Or perhaps Farage just can’t count!
 

From The Guardian:

A series of leaked emails between key figures in Ukip reveals growing chaos at the heart of the party as it struggles to fill a policy vacuum just days before crucial local elections in which it is expected to make spectacular advances.

In one email, a senior party figure claims that leading the anti-EU party is like “herding cats”. Ukip leader Nigel Farage is warned that his party is facing a decade without credible policies, as crippling internal rows rage, and it is suggested that the party should consider buying off-the-shelf strategy from right-leaning thinktanks.

Senior members must “get off their hobby-horses” if the party is to develop policies, Farage is told in the bombshell emails from Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, and Godfrey Bloom, a leading Ukip MEP.

A despairing Bloom, writing last Thursday, warns: “My experience thus far is that as soon as more than two people get in a room progress completely stops. Even where we have experts of our own, they disagree.” Bloom suggests the party should now consider buying policy “off the shelf” from thinktanks to lend it some credibility rather than attempting to “reinvent the wheel” by devising party positions on the major issues of the day.

Wheeler, a former Tory donor who gave £5.5m to the Conservatives in 2001 before being expelled for also donating to Ukip, responds: “I could not agree more strongly that some people will have to get off their hobby-horses.”

Details of the party’s internal crisis are revealed today as Ukip prepares to field an unprecedented 1,217 candidates in Thursday’s local elections. The party is unlikely to return large numbers of councillors but Downing Street fears it will deprive the Tories of victory in many seats and be the cause of major trouble for David Cameron’s leadership.

Along with its strong anti-European Union message and calls for a hardline on immigration, Ukip is campaigning heavily on issues likely to appeal to wavering Tories, including opposition to green belt development, wind farms and a second high-speed rail line. However, the party’s manifesto is vague on details as it attempts to appeal to the broadest audience, including disaffected Labour and Liberal Democrat voters.

The emails leaked to the Observer illustrate how powerless the party is to build a manifesto as it attempts to please its politically divergent support. Bloom says the party’s policies are “naturally coming under more scrutiny” as it grows, but warns Farage of the inability of members to agree on policy lines.

Bloom, who also complains that whatever the party says on tax and the economy will “be sneered at or decried”, writes: “The charm and frustration of Ukip is we have doctors who fancy themselves as tax experts, painters and decorators who know all about strategic defence issues and … retired dentists who understand the most intricate political solutions for the nation.

“Our website will have no policies at all on there for 10 years if we adopt a neo-Byzantine approach to formulating them. This means some quite senior members are going to have to stable their hobby-horses.”

The former financial economist also reveals a split between the old stalwarts of the party, formed in 1993 in response to the Maastricht treaty, and the new members who he fears are introducing “political correctness” among other “main party baggage”. Ukip is said to be picking up 1,000 extra members a month, with membership now exceeding 25,500. Bloom writes: “Having worked on the defence paper for over one year it would appear Ukip has more military and naval experts than we have soldiers. Most of them do not agree with each other. It is like herding cats. We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness.

“We must be wary of listening to these siren voices. We did not get where we are today by following, but leading.”

Bloom claims that he has been in talks with two free-market thinktanks, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and Civitas, whose policies he suggests “buying off the shelf where it is close to our own small government, low tax, libertarian position”.

The Ukip MEP, who admits in the emails that his party “do not have the resources to write serious papers on major subjects”, adds: “If Nigel, or indeed any of the ‘frontbench’ spokesmen talk of welfare or tax, the endorsement of such institutions is a very strong shield from the sort of dismissive left wing interviewers with whom we usually cross swords.

“Imagine Nigel in a hostile (oh yes it will be) interview with a ‘Paxman’, being able to say “Yes it will work, our policy has been completely vetted and endorsed by……..” fill in the blank, Civitas, IEA, IOD, BMA, RCN etc…”

Wheeler, who reportedly made a £90m fortune in investment banking, writes that he agrees with “a great deal” of Bloom’s points, but adds that the party’s “policies must be Ukip’s policies”. He adds: “Obviously we cannot just say, when asked about what our policies are, that we agree with the IEA on X, Y and Z, and agree with Civitas on A, B and C, and some other thinktank on others etc.”

A spokesman for the party said: “What you are seeing is discussions about policy development. Mr Bloom would like to get things done rapidly, Mr Wheeler would like to ensure that consensus is reached.

“It merely displays creative tension that in the end will produce a far better policy platform than we might have otherwise without due discussion.”

The emails

The email conversation revealed between Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP, and party treasurer Stuart Wheeler:

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
It would appear Ukip has more military and naval experts than we have soldiers. Most of them do not agree with each other. It is like herding cats.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness. We must be wary of listening to these siren voices. We did not get where we are today by following, but leading.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
We do not have the resources to write serious papers on major subjects, why reinvent the wheel? Why not buy policy ‘off the shelf’, where it is close to our own small government, low tax, libertarian position.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
Now here’s the rub. My experience thus far is that as soon as more than 2 people get in a room progress completely stops. Even where we have experts of our own they disagree.

From: Godfrey Bloom
Sent: 25 April 2013 10:29
To: Stuart Wheeler, Nigel Farage and others
The charm and frustration of Ukip is we have doctors who fancy themselves as tax experts, painters and decorators who know all about strategic defence issues, and branch chairmen, retired dentists, who understand the most intricate political solutions for the nation.

From: Stuart Wheeler
Sent: 25 April 2013 13:38
To: Godfrey Bloom
Dear Godfrey, I could not agree more that some people will have to get off their hobby-horses.

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Here is the original published article:

Ukip in chaos over policy on eve of key poll, emails reveal

Senior party figure says leading Ukip is like ‘herding cats’, as top MEP ponders ‘buying’ policies from right-leaning thinktanks

Nigel Farage, leader of Ukip, on the campaign trail last week. Photograph: Rich Bowen/Alamy

A series of leaked emails between key figures in Ukip reveals growing chaos at the heart of the party as it struggles to fill a policy vacuum just days before crucial local elections in which it is expected to make spectacular advances.

In one email, a senior party figure claims that leading the anti-EU party is like “herding cats”. Ukip leader Nigel Farage is warned that his party is facing a decade without credible policies, as crippling internal rows rage, and it is suggested that the party should consider buying off-the-shelf strategy from right-leaning thinktanks.

Senior members must “get off their hobby-horses” if the party is to develop policies, Farage is told in the bombshell emails from Stuart Wheeler, the party’s treasurer, and Godfrey Bloom, a leading Ukip MEP.

A despairing Bloom, writing last Thursday, warns: “My experience thus far is that as soon as more than two people get in a room progress completely stops. Even where we have experts of our own, they disagree.” Bloom suggests the party should now consider buying policy “off the shelf” from thinktanks to lend it some credibility rather than attempting to “reinvent the wheel” by devising party positions on the major issues of the day.

Wheeler, a former Tory donor who gave £5.5m to the Conservatives in 2001 before being expelled for also donating to Ukip, responds: “I could not agree more strongly that some people will have to get off their hobby-horses.”

Details of the party’s internal crisis are revealed today as Ukip prepares to field an unprecedented 1,217 candidates in Thursday’s local elections. The party is unlikely to return large numbers of councillors but Downing Street fears it will deprive the Tories of victory in many seats and be the cause of major trouble for David Cameron’s leadership.

Along with its strong anti-European Union message and calls for a hardline on immigration, Ukip is campaigning heavily on issues likely to appeal to wavering Tories, including opposition to green belt development, wind farms and a second high-speed rail line. However, the party’s manifesto is vague on details as it attempts to appeal to the broadest audience, including disaffected Labour and Liberal Democrat voters.

The emails leaked to the Observer illustrate how powerless the party is to build a manifesto as it attempts to please its politically divergent support. Bloom says the party’s policies are “naturally coming under more scrutiny” as it grows, but warns Farage of the inability of members to agree on policy lines.

Bloom, who also complains that whatever the party says on tax and the economy will “be sneered at or decried”, writes: “The charm and frustration of Ukip is we have doctors who fancy themselves as tax experts, painters and decorators who know all about strategic defence issues and … retired dentists who understand the most intricate political solutions for the nation.

“Our website will have no policies at all on there for 10 years if we adopt a neo-Byzantine approach to formulating them. This means some quite senior members are going to have to stable their hobby-horses.”

The former financial economist also reveals a split between the old stalwarts of the party, formed in 1993 in response to the Maastricht treaty, and the new members who he fears are introducing “political correctness” among other “main party baggage”. Ukip is said to be picking up 1,000 extra members a month, with membership now exceeding 25,500. Bloom writes: “Having worked on the defence paper for over one year it would appear Ukip has more military and naval experts than we have soldiers. Most of them do not agree with each other. It is like herding cats. We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness.

“We must be wary of listening to these siren voices. We did not get where we are today by following, but leading.”

Bloom claims that he has been in talks with two free-market thinktanks, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and Civitas, whose policies he suggests “buying off the shelf where it is close to our own small government, low tax, libertarian position”.

The Ukip MEP, who admits in the emails that his party “do not have the resources to write serious papers on major subjects”, adds: “If Nigel, or indeed any of the ‘frontbench’ spokesmen talk of welfare or tax, the endorsement of such institutions is a very strong shield from the sort of dismissive left wing interviewers with whom we usually cross swords.

“Imagine Nigel in a hostile (oh yes it will be) interview with a ‘Paxman’, being able to say “Yes it will work, our policy has been completely vetted and endorsed by……..” fill in the blank, Civitas, IEA, IOD, BMA, RCN etc…”

Wheeler, who reportedly made a £90m fortune in investment banking, writes that he agrees with “a great deal” of Bloom’s points, but adds that the party’s “policies must be Ukip’s policies”. He adds: “Obviously we cannot just say, when asked about what our policies are, that we agree with the IEA on X, Y and Z, and agree with Civitas on A, B and C, and some other thinktank on others etc.”

A spokesman for the party said: “What you are seeing is discussions about policy development. Mr Bloom would like to get things done rapidly, Mr Wheeler would like to ensure that consensus is reached.

“It merely displays creative tension that in the end will produce a far better policy platform than we might have otherwise without due discussion.”

To view the original article CLICK HERE.

Ex UKIP NEC member Dr. Eric Edmond, who was dishonestly and corruptly removed from UKIP NEC by Farage and his claque for having spoken out to seek accountability and probity on within UKIP, has recently been barred from renewing his membership and/or standing as a candidate in the local elections – despite the democratic wishes of his local branch of UKIP!

Dr. Edmond has commented on the issues as follows:

Sunday, 28 April 2013

Farage’s EUKIP pigeons start coming home to roost

It was entirely predictable that if UKIP ever got into a position that threatened the established parties electoral base then UKIP would come under proper scrutiny and Farage’s glib smart answers would be examined and not accepted. This is now coming about as UKIP make progress in the polls. It is the reason that when I was on UKIP’s NEC I, Del and David  fought for a thorough clean up of its finances, policies and most important governance. We have to be able to show we stick to the rules, ours and electoral rules. This got trashed by the sycophants who merely wanted to endorse every thing Farage did or said and brown nose their way onto MEP slates and hence the EU gravy train.

Let us start with the basics. How many candidates is UKIP standing this Thursday in the County Council elections? Yesterday’s Guardian says 1217, Farage sycophants claim 1700+ whilst I seem to recollect the great man himself claiming 1850. It remind me of the great scene in the film Mamchurian Candidate, original version where Johnny Iselin a mouthpiece US senator running for the VP ticket under the control of his Lady MacBeth wife Eleanor, has difficulty in remembering his various numerical claims for the ‘number of card carrying Communists’ in the US Defence Dept. He pleads with his wife over breakfast just to give him one simple number he can remember. She glances at the tomato sauce bottle on the table and says OK Johnny there are exactly 57 card carrying commies in the US Defence Dept!
UKIP has to have by electoral law a nominating officer who countersigns all  a parties candidates nomination forms. This is I believe Mr Reeve who is I believe Ms Duffy’s parntner but I am happy to be corrected on this point. Probably the signing has been devolved to a local level but still the parties nominating officer should know how many candidates a party is putting up. So how many is it Mr UKIP nominating officer?
This is a recurring problem for Farage. Giving glib answers is one thing, remembering them is quite another. I once saw a Farage type politician destroyed by a very bright businessman thus. The politician gave a long bullshit self contradictory answer to the businessman’s question. After he had finished the businessman asked him to repeat his answer. Mr charisma politician could not and drowned in a sea of his own waffle.
On QT last Thursday Simon Hughes the Lib Dem deputy leader caught our Nigel on the hop about what exactly UKIP’s personal tax policy was. Farage’s answer was not only unconvincing but gave some dangerous hostages to fortune. Now we have Bloom, that avid supporter of women’s equality, reported in yesterday’s Guardian and today’s Observer letting the cat out of the bag on EUKIP’s almost complete lack of policies and even suggesting buying in thought out policies fro right wing think tanks. Farage’s EUKIP does not do thinking only drinking!
Ken Clarke was attacking UKIP on this morning’s Sky TV. This is not a bad thing after all all publicity is good publicity for UKIP at least for the time being but UKIP has to show it can come up with some serious answers. Farage sound bites won’t do now. That’s a big problem for EUKIP that have existed exclusively on Farage’s dodgy factually unsupported glib answers to bored and uninformed journos.
Candidate selection is also a mess. Former members of the extreme right BNP, NF, EDL etc are now all UKIP candidates on 2nd May. As Bloom says
 “We are also attracting new members who bring main party ‘baggage’. Focus groups, quotas, even political correctness.”

I made this point four years ago about Bannerman’s rehashed Tory promises as UKIP policies. Alan Sked was right. UKIP has to be unique in its policies and not a repository for right wing fruit cakes and loonies with hobby horses to gallop like holocaust denial.

Am I upset about this? You bet I am. I have never been a member of any other political party. I have always supported UKIP policies such as they were. I broke EUKIP’s unwritten rule, thou shalt not criticise Nigel Farage. I have never been given an explanation of any sort why this debars me from UKIP.

I have just watched Nuttall come off third best to Andrew Neil and Caroline Lucas on dodgy UKIP candidates and policy vacuum. Oh dear! 

The Tories are now picking up on the fact that Farage is in it for his own financial gain. Click to read

I leave you with their headline:

You’re only in it for yourself, Nigel

To view his original posting CLICK HERE

UKIP are very clearly unfit for purpose and seem to have done a great deal for their leadership clique and its cronies and very little for the cause of Leave-The-EU – despite huge amounts of money from the public purse and donations much of which still remains unaccounted for and with their track record of dishonesty, corruption and unprofessional chavvery many believe literally £Millions have been ‘trousered’ by the ruling clique!

The energetic and corrupt manner in which UKIP leadership resist any efforts towards transparency and accountability leads many to believe the stories of self indulgence, libertine behaviour, corruption and fraud are true.

 

In fact we know for a fact that Nigel Farage, Jeffrey Titford, Derek Clark, Godfrey Bloom and Tom Wise have all been ordered to repay monies which they had either fraudulently, deliberately or conveniently misappropriated from the public purse – Tom Wise was sentenced to 2 years in prison for having embezelled public money aided, whether wittingly or unwittingly by Linsay Jenkins a Tory member with ambitions of being selected as a candidate who acted as his highly trained assistant/researcher.

For UKIP to hypocritically bleat of unfair tactics on the part of other parties is risible and most clearly hypocritical – as shown by UKIP low life Andrew Smith a corrupt and dishonest man who sheltered by the bombast and abuse of the odious Mick McGough set out to train the NEC how to dupe the electoral commission and lie to them!

We note Andrew Smith’s efforts to smear Tories in his Eastern Region in the local press!

Clearly what goes around comes around and only today we hear UKIP candidate in Wickam Market is an alleged BNP member, either at present or in the past, which of course is irrelevant in the light of UKIP’s dishonest claim that BNP members are banned from joining UKIP!

Seems UKIP are being exposed for what they really are under their present leadership!

To follow in a future blog within a day or so are further clear indications of UKIP hypocricy and cyber bullying and lies to try to hide their true nature and a series of further very revelatory ‘e’Mails – so watch this space!

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UKIP Starts to Learn About Politics!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/04/2013

UKIP Starts to Learn About Politics!
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UKIP Starts to Learn About Politics!
Now starting to be victim of the lies and spin , bullying and dishonesty they themselves are so happy to use!
What goes around comes around!

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UKIP has been all too happy to use spin and lies to further the personal a,bitions of its staff & leadership (viz. Farage’s support of the corruption and lies of Annabelle Fuller and his willingness to ignore democracy and place his cronies in office.)
UKIP has been seeking to use spin and bribery to damage the Tories and boasted widely of the defections and damage they have done to them.
Now that they are being exposed by the media as a result of the Tory machine using its contacts and research department to expose UKIP for what they have become one can expect UKIP to bleat like small children about how unfair it is!

Perhaps now UKIP will start to realise the dissadvantages of self enrichment by association with racists, anti homosexuals, Holocaust deniers and advocates of violence. Perhaps UKIP will start to realise just how deep seated are the feelings of their rivals and how skilled.

UKIP may even learn that cowardly cyber attacks and lies and distortions by their anonymous claque of cowards has failed to differentiate between their supporters who wished to see UKIP leadership cleaned up and made fit for purpose and professionalised and their actual enemies!

Let us not forget that for their own ends UKIP has endeavoured to exploit ‘The Commentator‘ as with UKIP staffer as shown by their TWITTER account:

Alexandra Swann

@AlexandralSwann

Anarcho-Capitalist. Pseudo journalist.
Contributor to National grammar schools assoc. Auberon Herbert,
almost psychologist.
love

Surrey/London

Here is an example of ‘The Commentator’:

EXCLUSIVE: Leaked documents reveal Tory spinners in intensive anti-UKIP media briefings

UKIP leader Nigel Farage has slammed the “shallow” Conservative Party after documents show nasty attacks emanating from Tory HQ

 27 April 2013 10:06

Fc

New documents seen by The Commentator have brought to light what appears to be a concerted dirty tricks campaign co-ordinated by the Conservative Party.

The briefings appear to have been constructed by the research department at Conservative Campaign HQ (CCHQ), with the documents bearing the names of the authors, confirmed as CCHQ staff, and the company name, “CCHQ”.

Over the past week, media outlets have been quick to report negative stories about UKIP candidates standing in the upcoming local elections taking place next Thursday. The source of the stories has now come to light, as it appears that significant resources within the Conservative Party have been committed to dredging up information on UKIP candidates.

In particular, one widely reported story about Karim Ayoubi, the UKIP candidate in the Abington & Phippsville, Northamptonshire, seems to have been pulled from the CCHQ briefings. The story was the picked up by both national and local media outlets. 

The Commentator has so far seen seven documents authored by CCHQ, each revealing that party researchers have spent countless hours trawling through the Facebook and Twitter feeds of UKIP candidates seeking information that might be attractive to national media outlets.

The documents draw attention to the social and political habits of UKIP candidates, claiming that many are either racist or have questionable senses of humour. Oddly, one briefing even draws attention to a young UKIP candidate’s dance moves at a black tie event, claiming, “Personal photos of the undergraduate in black tie undermine his bid to become a local politician”. 

So far, The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph (£), The Times (£) and The Sun have all produced stories that appear to be based on these briefing documents. 

   

When asked about the nature of the documents and their origins, a Conservative Party source told The Commentator, “This is a desperate attempt to deflect attention away from the serious questions UKIP must answer about some of their candidates. UKIP should be held to account about the candidates they want to hold public office.”

The information used in the documents, however, is all public-domain, leading to concerns that the central UKIP party has neither done the requisite background checks on candidates, nor advised them of how to manage their social media accounts. Responding to questions as to whether UKIP routinely admitted extremists as members, party sources were quick to admit that they have neither the time, nor the resources to vet 1700 candidates.

Responding to the CCHQ document leak, UKIP leader Nigel Farage told The Commentator exclusively, “I am sure that Tory donors will be delighted to learn that their hard earned money is being spent on a research team whose job it is, not to come up with serious policies to get this country back working, but to research gossip, tittle tattle and the dance moves of UKIP candidates. They must be utterly terrified that their shallow approach to government is being seen through by the public.

“If this is the best they can do,” Farage said, “then I ask you should we just get rid of the whole lot of them?”

The documents in question date back only as far as April 14th, hinting that the Conservative Party may have been rattled by recent polling figures, deciding at the last minute to enter into negative campaigning. 

Other noteworthy comments written by CCHQ researchers in the documents include: 

“…General attitudes on Facebook might cause local voters some concern. He has liked a variety of distasteful and aggressive pages” and “…controversial comments made by Leicestershire UKIP candidates on social media include Brett Lynes dismissing Parliament as ‘full of wankers'”.

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that there is no doubt that many in UKIP are racist and as a party their leadership do much to endorse racism, anti Judaism, anti Semitism in their Zionist opposition to Palestine and Palestinians, superstition based incitement to racial hatred, anti homosexuality and more – Under no circumstances should the right to Freedom of Speech be curtailed within the framework of the law.
The poster that extremists in Manchester are protesting at is in no way racist, it is a statement of factual opinion that seeks to limit immigration from the EU – immigration imposed upon Britain without any meaningfull democratic process by the dictatorial centerist agenda of The EU.Laws have been enacted against the interests of Britain that have led to an unprecedented invasion of Britain, unmatched in percentage terms even by conquest in our history.

Britain has never seen such a cultural invasion since 54BC when we were overun by the Roman army – even when Cnutt invaded or William The Bastard no similar percentage of aliens invaded with them!

Let us remember that the very people who are clamouring to impose their will and threatening to break the law by the use of vandalism and violence to force the removal of the awareness posters from UKIP, would be the first to protest their rights under The UN Charter which determines a fundamental human right to self determination – a concept totally ignored by the undemocratic EU whose imposed laws these extremists seek to uphold in contravention of both the basic right of Self Determination and of Freedom of Speech.

Do I agree with the overt racism and support for racists of UKIP and the answer is catagorically no and I find every aspect of the vile prejudice of Batten, Bloom, Pearson, Farage and their undeniable support for racism as repugnant – I see absolutely no acceptable reason to prostitute UKIP and the values of the British peoples to their level of extremism and support for extremists.

Support for The EFD & Bloom’s Pan EU Alliance is odious and unacceptable whilst Batten’s overt incitement to racial hatred and allegiance with the EDL and other extremists based only on his chosen superstitions is utterly repugnant – as is the Zionist extremism and anti foreigner behaviour and views of Malcolm Pearson, as featured in a double page media spead some time ago!

Let us hope that the advertising agency ‘Clear Channel’ has rather more morality and the ethics to stand their ground against the likes of the anti democratic blackmail of the odious campaigners against Freedom of Speech, Opinion and Thought as they have manifest in Manchester!

Free speech under threat as advertising company “agrees” to remove UKIP poster

Clear Channel, one of the largest advertising companies in the UK, has reportedly agreed to stifle free political expression by removing a UKIP poster

by The Commentator on 29 March 2013 20:03

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Just hours after a new UKIP poster ad was spotted in Levenshulme, Manchester, a trade unionist-led campaign to have the advertisement removed has apparently led to success, in what opponents have called “a sad day for freedom of speech”.

Campaigners online are boasting about the impending removal of a UK Independence Party poster positioned in “deep-red Labour territory”.

The poster which reads, “Stop Open Door EU Immigration: Enough’s Enough” has recently been posted in Levenshulme, an area of Manchester populated by around 12,000 people. Described as a ‘multi-ethnic’ area, Leveshulme has a significant immigrant population, with 2001 census figures showing a high Asian population, though little suggests a high EU-immigrant population.

The self-described trade unionist and socialist claiming responsibility for the campaign goes only by the name of “Sue” on Twitter. Her handle is BinTheConDems, a name suggesting the trashing of the Conservative (Con) and Liberal Democrat (Dems) coalition government in the UK.

Over the past few hours, “Sue” has called UKIP members “Nazis” and “racists”, and claimed that she and others, “Just got an ad company to take down a UKIP poster where we live. After mass emails and calls from community”.

At around 6pm, “Sue” tweeted, “Levenshulme email and phone call fast campaign means vile #UKIP poster being removed from high street.” 

Campaigners also threatened to vandalise the poster themselves if their demands weren’t met, with one, Rachamuffin, tweeting, “Which one of us has a ruddy big ladder. I’ve got paint and a head for heights!” While others continued, “Actually we don’t need a ladder, just a catapult and paint bombs”.

The story will cause great concern to freedom of speech campaigners as the targeting of a particular political party and a legitimate campaign runs contrary to freedom of expression in the UK. Political parties in the UK are not precluded from advertising on billboards, with the decision over content effectively being left to the company selling the advertising space, in this instance, Clear Channel. 

Clear Channel is one of the largest advertisement-space networks in the UK, boasting work with more than 300 local authorities in the UK and a workforce of over 5,000 internationally.

A UKIP spokesperson told The Commentator, “There is no evidence to support claims that Clear Channel have agreed to remove any posters. However, if it is true, and I hope it’s not, then bowing to extremist, censorious demands like this would make it a sad day for freedom of speech indeed.”

The row comes on the back of a spate of recent UKIP defections, and UKIP’s rise in national polls as of late. 

In November last year, a couple in Rotherham were reported to have been discriminated against when adopting a child because of their support for UKIP. The decision was branded by senior cabinet member Michael Gove MP as, “indefensible“.

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Updated – 21:58 29/03/13: Clear Channel has been in touch with The Commentator to state that no decision has yet been taken on the billboards, despite local campaigners stating the contrary. A Clear Channel spokesperson told The Commentator that the company will be reviewing complaints from both sides and taking a decision after the Bank Holiday weekend. 

Clear Channel’s Twitter account updated at 22:06: “We have received complaints regarding a UKIP poster in Levenshulme, Manchester. We are currently reviewing these complaints we will provide an update once the review has been completed.”

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Clear Channel. the agency concerned, having considered the views of complainants have seemingly upheld the British values of democracy and free speech  against the anti democratic attempt to bully and threaten made by extremists and have issued the following statement:

We understand that the issue of immigration is an emotive one, and also recognise that it is a legitimate topic for public debate.
In this instance, we believe that the poster is ASA compliant, and have decided that it will not be removed.

Personally I totally endorse their statement and abhor the efforts of extremists to suppress discussion and corrupt the democratic process.

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We’ll try for the screen captures & copies next – they seem to be causing conflict in loading!

There was considerable cross referencing to do AGAIN and also redacting to ensure the security of my sources, and the checkable veracity of the posts.

I appologise for the delay but having done the work last night Firefox crashed thus I have redone the work when it was convenient!

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You may find the sordid style of the odious squabbling and jockeying for position and popularity of these insecure and self serving people gives an insight into just how odious is UKIP’s leadership team and the claque who wriggle, squabble and back stab, when not fauning and grovelling or in the beds of others to gain status really are!

Let us go back in time a little with a YouTube entry from the amoral and foul mouthed Annabelle Fuller:

Interesting when you consider this foolish woman’s track record of corruption and dishonesty!

Behaviour which forced her to run away from UKIP due to her unprofessional abuse of data protection – abuse which cost UKIP one of its better donors and chairmen John Whittaker who quit as he was no longer willing to befoul his personal reputation covering for Nigel Farage’s doxy’s dishonesty and incompetence.

We understand it was the track record of foul language and unprofessionalism that cost Fuller her next job withThe British legion and then with Army Pensions, despite her father’s influence.

However she is back again with Farage and on a salary of around £50K as I recall, not to mention drawing two incomes from the public purse by being paid for other and more personal services via her claims of having PR experience of value, rather than just pestering journos with strange tweets and personal calls, as they have told me! Billed presumably through Athena PR!

Or for that matter telling lies about people and promoting her personal style whilst drunk to the extent of not just false witness and dishonesty but also stealing from the unsuspecting marque as with the Blackberry, The House of Commons pass and private correspondence when trusted to enter an MP’s flat!

I presume there is some devious means of paying to avoid the EU rule of being doubly employed from their funds! Another UKIP financial scam organised by their tame accountant to keep Farage’s fingerprints off of the paper work!

Review her comments on YouTube above and assess for yourself just howmuch of a liability she is for UKIP and then read on – you may also consider it is a blind eye to her services that explains why Farage’s wife is paid £30K for her inactivity as a UKIP staffer – unknown in terms of any work done by Farage’s own constituency office and her employment was unknown until research turned up the facts which Daniel Foggo subsequently published in The Sunday Times.

Let us move on:

Here is a posting from 10-Feb-2013 – yet again from Annabelle Fuller regarding Diane James, and involving Sean Howlett, Steven Wolfe, David Coburn and Mick McGough

The conversation moved on involving discussion of the same individuals and minded of the disproportionate income relative to competence and ability it is clear the money isn’t even for professionalism, integrity, ethics or discression!” Loyalty to the party is clearly a ‘No No’ from this specimen!

Clearly Nigel Farage’s own PA is clearly out of her depth and batting in her own self interest all too willing to drag Farage and UKIP into the gutter of her life!

These duplicitous individuals are all over Diane James like a cheap suit to her face but clearly happy to do all they can to unseat her behind her back regardless of her doing well for UKIP at Eastleigh – it seems they are working to protect their jobs by ensuring their puppet master faces no challengers – so very typical of the divisive and unprofessional behaviour in Farage’s Party!

Again the conversation moves on and we see UKIP Yoooff who themselves consider Diane James ‘An Utter Bitch‘ someone who their contempt for is manifest, with comments like ‘who has never represented the party

UKIP who endlessly proclaim they are ethical and represent true British values are clearly rotten to the core.

It is that they endlessly protest they are not like the other parties that makes this more shocking as they are clearly riddled with hatred, self interest, greed and rivalry on a scale that surpasses even the worst in other parties.

Then on a different theme we see the infighting in UKIP Yoooff from the correspondence with his apparent mentor Steven Woolfe:

And toadying to, of all people, Neil Hamilton, the corrupt and discreditted ex Tory, dumped in a miasma of sleaze that has now engulfed UKIP:

You will of course be able to find further examples of stupidity, self serving, unprofessionalism, nepotism, cronyism, back stabbing, disloyalty and downright vituperative trash with just a few minutes search on the internet this little party displays all the reasons that so few honourable and decent folk of any consequence back them in domestic elections.

Although UKIP’s numbers are small; relative to the main parties they sure make up for it with their vile behaviour which can be found with a moments search!

Just look at CLICK HERE where much of this material can be found to have been posted!

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YI: Change You Cant Believe In

KT got some threats after he posted this post earlier, as readers know KT is nice and fair, yeah KT pokes fun at politicians (if you cant laugh at them then you only cry) but its always done in the right way, anyway KT is going off piste a bit, lets rewind a bit, lets go back to say …. February 10th , that cool?
its an email exchange between UKIP members before the polls closed for Eastliegh, in fact a few weeks before the polls closed , these email involve Ms Fuller (Nigel Farage`s PA) , Sean Howlett and David Corburn :

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They are discussing the then UKIP candidate for Eastlaigh Diane James, but then it moves on

https://ukip-vs-eukip.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/6f2bb-redactedyi.jpg As you can see Nigel Farage`s PA and others were bad mouthing Diane James behind her back and then being all nice to her face, even tho Diane came second in Eastleigh people close to Nigel Farage were slagging Diane James of, even after these e-mails YI (Young independence) requested that people vote for Diane James:

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UKIP claim they are different than all the others, the truth is that they are as two faced as all the others, they asked voters to vote for someone they described as a “utter bitch” and someone *who has never represented the party* , different from the others? no chance!

Update : While KT was checking this piece out he came across Ms Fullers You Tube page 

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KT may be mistaken but UKIP are not keen on Poles…… 

I believe now that this post has the various screen shots we can reasonably expect utterly implausible claims that their Blogs have been hacked – surprising that they have failed to claim this previously even though they knew the material had been screen captured and circulated!

Claims of being hacked are quite fashionable at the moment – such claims are so much more plausible if they are reported when they happen rather than when when their postings are highlighted!

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Chris Pain Finds UKIP Squabbling Like Ferrets in a Sack!

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    Seth Starkadder :
    Actually, you are reading plain English.
    Events that have so tragically shaped UKIP these last few years when a 29,500 membership in autumn 2004 should have been increased by many times, and we see a one year police investigation ongoing ( resources for which have to be justified, and the C.P.S. – or even in this case perhaps the Attourney General’s office, – convinced of a case with admissable evidence ) matters as discussed above do in fact impact.

    We have seen ‘Junius’ publish cartoons of Mr Clark MEP, including wareing his bedroom slippers whilst simultaneously correspondence backs up that which appears online.
    That is, derogeratory statements designed to undermine an original member who like myself and others similarly denegrated, started the party in the country from our own resources.

    When one reads about Mr Clark “…..his reputation for falling asleep……. time to hang up the slippers ! D.C…….. he has to go home for Horlicks and bed regardless………. “

    then he informs the world

    “….. some great mileage here for Junius………

    just a few bits to be put to print ! “

    Note the sneering !exclamation mark.

    He clearly states ” I will be happy to send on info to you in the future……..”

    Then why does he not publish the ‘info’ that explains why we lost so many decent volunteer members, the sources of the three £ 500 cheques, their onward transfer, into which accounts, the correspondence requesting back our hard earned money, and who exactly are the ‘Junius’ team who rather like Lord Rennard; are rather adept at getting their candidate elected.

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    That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gillman View Post
    Recalling our General Election ’round-up’ meeting which is invoked by the above I recall the Regional Organiser explaining to the the East Midlands committe how a candidate had particularly upset many volunteer members.
    He clearly indicated that a certain candidate would not be encouraged in his blatent and transparent intentions.
    I recall resignations due to behavoir not previously associated with those of us who started the branches and regions.
    The figure of £ 1,500 comes to mind in three cheques of £ 500 each , and clear written verbal and committee approved requests for return of our money. The chairman too had been approached.
    Bank statements show the truth of the matter, cheque books too. Yes the evidence mentioned above is available.
    Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???The verbal ‘trashing’ of the long term treasurer ( 15 years )was a disgrace. His treatment alone should have merited action by a discliplinary committee.
    The immediate condemnation of all that had gone before without any evidence of experience, intellect in these matters, or actual ability to effect anything better , again an utter disgrace. We volunteers had effected the election of ten MEP’s by giving up our time and resources to achieve those in elected office who would assist our withdrawel from the E.U.Correspondence widely circulated indicates that the ‘Junius’ team now have in place a long supported protegee.
    Little wonder then that Mr Derek Clark MEP is lampooned in cartoon form upon the internet, by a fountain in Nottingham, shown in his slippers, derided as liking his Horlicks, and derogatory comments are published about him when clear written statements are passed around about the leadership being carefully kept in the dark about exactly what is happening .
    Monday being the likely NEC meeting day should be very interesting.Will there be a challenge for the leadership ?Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???

    Ian what is this post about, I have never been at a regional committee meeting whilst you were there, in fact my first meeting was as the No2 MEP candidate in 2009, at which stage i believe you had left the party to form UK first. Please don’t tell me you are enhancing this lie of Paula’s???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Gillman View Post
    Seth Starkadder :
    Actually, you are reading plain English.
    Events that have so tragically shaped UKIP these last few years when a 29,500 membership in autumn 2004 should have been increased by many times, and we see a one year police investigation ongoing ( resources for which have to be justified, and the C.P.S. – or even in this case perhaps the Attourney General’s office, – convinced of a case with admissable evidence ) matters as discussed above do in fact impact.We have seen ‘Junius’ publish cartoons of Mr Clark MEP, including wareing his bedroom slippers whilst simultaneously correspondence backs up that which appears online.
    That is, derogeratory statements designed to undermine an original member who like myself and others similarly denegrated, started the party in the country from our own resources.When one reads about Mr Clark “…..his reputation for falling asleep……. time to hang up the slippers ! D.C…….. he has to go home for Horlicks and bed regardless………. “then he informs the world

    “….. some great mileage here for Junius………

    just a few bits to be put to print ! “

    Note the sneering !exclamation mark.

    He clearly states ” I will be happy to send on info to you in the future……..”

    Then why does he not publish the ‘info’ that explains why we lost so many decent volunteer members, the sources of the three £ 500 cheques, their onward transfer, into which accounts, the correspondence requesting back our hard earned money, and who exactly are the ‘Junius’ team who rather like Lord Rennard; are rather adept at getting their candidate elected.

    29,500 membership?
    could you please say where you got this figure from?
    esp as you say 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pain View Post
    That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?
    Here is the response of the underhand and cowardly FKEU – too ashamed of his lies, inuendo and behaviour to put his name to his cowardly carping:

    Intresting.
    Seems there are a nice group of people so desperate for UKIP to fail (as it seems they failed at being ukip themselves) they will spin lies to the sheep who lap them up as want to belive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pain View Post
    That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and there is no truth in that what so ever. I presume posted by Paula who recently rejoined the UKIP Nottingham branch ( AKA Tiquipaya ), it’s nice to see her back to her old tricks again. I have never had my integrity questioned at a East Midland Meeting, in fact i was voted 6-0 twice last year by the regional committee as the regional chairman ( first committee was disbanded by Derek, so there had to be a re-vote by a second committee). Also quite interesting I have never had any payment from the East Mids Committee at all, in fact I have just organised my second regional conference in Skegness, both cost me a fair amount of money and a lot of time and effort. If anyone wants to know the truth these facts can be clarified by the RO or any committee members or the minutes of the meetings. Perhaps the person in question wants to ask the secretary for clarification, but that won’t happen because it’s a bare faced lie. If this is the best a failed member of UKIP can do against someone who has worked their socks off for UKIP since 2004, I feel sorry for her!How do you report a false statement on here?
    Geoffrey Collier’s retort is:

    Chris Pain: While I do not know the identity of Tiquipaya, I am assured that it is not someone named Paula (whoever she is). From what you say evidence must exist as to her historic wrongdoings. Has she confessed to those? Is the R.O. to whom you refer, a Mr Ramsome who, for purposes of remuneration, denies being the RO and cites his occupation as that of Press Officer in EU ‘claims’ documentaion? The payments to you, I understand, relate to your candidacy in a parliamentary election, although I claim no first-hand knowledge as to the precise details. Apologise to the unfortunate Paula, keep rational, and start again.

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    Geoffrey, it’s quite ovbious that you know something about this slander and the person concerned! So let please put all the aleged info on here, re times, dates, people concerned and who posted this trash!!!!
    There is one problem I have never had any payements from the EMCC at all!
    I have not had a multiple of £500 cheques from the EMCC!
    I have not had a request by email, telephone or from the EMCC, because I have not had
    any money or had any funds period from the EMCC.
    Any one can contact any of the previous or the current EMCC members and my statement will be verified.This will then be confirmed as made up slander from someone that has a grudge against me personaly.
    So please can Tiquipa or yourself supply evidence of any kind re this issue, the answer is no because it does not exist. So please either put up or shut up and post a full appology on here!
    My NEC election result was exceptional, because other regions have got far more members than the East Mids, but this is just green eyed trouble making. After working hard in the party as an activist for eight years, organising two UKIP conferences, plus some decent results at GE’s by UKIP standards whilst repersenting the members, has gained their support. Then again it’s the MEP silly season soon and people will be crawling out from under their stones again, inorder to try to climb up the slimy pole.
    Junius in the past have both supported me and critised me, but there are several people whom I am aware have not voted for me because of the Junius recomendation, so it’s a two edged sword.
    So please Geoffrey please oblige with the information that I have requested above.

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    DELETED AS A DUPLICATE OF THE POST ABOVE!

I have a pretty clear understanding that the unfortunate Ian Gillman is unlikely to publish his evidence, probably using some ‘secret squirrel’ dellusion, and I know for certain he hasn’t a clue about Junius nor one shred of evidence that Chris Pain has ever spoken to or even knows Junius – though he may well speak to someone who supplies me with facts, as does Ian Gillman from time to time.Let us also be very clear that Derek Clark is a liar, untrustworthy, corrupt and self serving who has boasted openly of the amount of money he has defrauded the public purse of, and he was found guilty of defrauding the public purse of over £30,000 and ordered to repay the money he had perloined by OLAF – A similar amount of money as that which one of the other UKIP MEPs, Tom Wise, stole and for which Tom Wise was sentenced to 2 years in prison.I am morally certain that Chris Pain has never wittingly spoken to Junius and thus has never supplied Junius with material to publish. Regular readers will be aware that I personally NEVER confirm or deny who supplies me with the facts which I publish.

And then after an effort to censor the squabbling accusations and bickering broke out again (well it is UKIP! They fight like ferrets in a sack amongst the foot soldiers, just as their leadership does for lack of competence or ability) – note the time line:

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    Reminder of the rules:

    “Posters are responsible for content of their posts and should be in a position to stand by any of their claims through publicly providing proof of any allegation. (i.e “I have an original e-mail” is no good if you won’t/can’t post it)”

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    Ian Gillman surely has proof of all he claims. I wonder why he declines to share the proof with the world. He could afford to lose a £500 deposit in Corby so the cost of a scanner cannot be beyond him.

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    Persons are taking to the telephone in some excitement now as a recently elected NEC member with great plans for his own reforms , a Chris Pain has so much to say.

    The word from many is that Chris P. in his G.E. campaign in Louth, Lincs. obtained £ 500 from the EMCC .
    Then he claimed that the money had not been paid to his campaign and he put a lot of pressure upon the officers to send another cheque. He said that the cheque had not arrived.

    Reluctantly, his campaign was sent another cheque for £ 500 on the clear understanding that if the first cheque turned up it was to be returned to the committee.

    Incredibly, both cheques were banked. A dishonest demand for the second cheque had been made and despite his assurances that only one cheque would be banked, both were.

    The EMCC, short of money and relying upon volunteers with many years standing of generousity were told about these matters. Chris P. was told in several telephone conversations to return the money, he failed to do so.
    Written requests were made for the return of the money, Chris P. ignored those requests.

    The EMCC , following the G.E. met and the R.O. Don Ransome made quite a speech about matters in Louth, and Chris P. in particular. He left an impression that Pain would not be encouraged any further in his membership of UKIP.Members felt let down and cheated.

    The MEP for the region Derek Clark experienced nasty e-mails circulated by Chris P. about him and he became aware of a steady yet ongoing campaign to destabalise him from his position. This, oddly whilst always boosting Pain’s position.

    I did hear that the party chairman was approached by Chris Pain for money too, but unsure of the amounts requested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiquipaya View Post
    Incredibly, both cheques were banked. A dishonest demand for the second cheque had been made and despite his assurances that only one cheque would be banked, both were.
    … Chris P. was told in several telephone conversations to return the money, he failed to do so.
    Written requests were made for the return of the money, Chris P. ignored those requests.

    Then the cowardly ‘Independent UKIP’ as ever ashamed to put his name to his sneering, defamations, inuendo and outright lies said:

    This was surely reported to the Police in 2005. What was the outcome of their investigation, as for some reason you’ve not made reference to that. Thanks.

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This was surely reported to the Police in 2005. What was the outcome of their investigation, as for some reason you’ve not made reference to that. Thanks.
To which Geoffrey Collier made the reply:

Independent UKIP: I made the accurate statement that Chris Pain was wrong to attribute to a Paula? the authorship of that posting. Who the lady is, or what reprehensible things which she did in the past, has no bearing whatever on the issue being discussed. She was certainly not the individual who posted that information. Mr Pain appears to have been voted on to the NEC to help to control the Party, while he clearly has difficulties in controlling himself. Why are the Forum rules applied so unevenly? An NEC member, for example, by the name of Mr Mcgough frequently makes accusations of certain individuals being in the ‘pay’ of others without required to produce evidence. Perhaps with the advantage of reflection, Mr Pain may recall his parliamentary election, and be willing to agree that his local branch did make a financial contribution to him. Is the gentleman saying that no such payment was made, and no banking evidence as a consequence can be produced? Was he both the candidate and sole financier of his campaign?

One can only speculate that Mick McGough’s lies, slanders and defamatory claims are permitted to remain because being known to all as a low life a liar and a cheat it is felt that the more he says the more he damages his own credibility as it is clear that his fellow travellers such as Independent UKIP, FKEU, SDP and their ilk are clearly damaging the credibility of UKIP – hard as that is to do since UKIP are now little more than the only available dustbin, wherein protesters against the two Political Parties in Britain and the LibDims can post their votes with virtually no fear of any long term consequence, as shown by the likes of those quoted above who ensure that UKIP will never achieve anything in domestic politics beyond the cult of the one man band.For more factual details regarding Chris Pain and these matters you may care to CLICK HERE

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