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UKIP Hypocrisy Over Its Racist Behaviour

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/04/2013

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Ex-National Front man stands as UKIP candidate in Kent

The Chairman of UKIP Thanet South branch, the ex Prison Officer Martyn Heale, was a former National Front branch organiser in Hammersmith in the late 1970s and a NF candidate in the London borough of Hammersmith in the 1979 local elections. Heale later resigned from the National Front and became Chairman of the West London branch of the extreme far-Right, anti-immigration New Britain Party. HEALE was also election agent for Nigel Farage.

UKIP claims to debar all former members of extreme right wing groups from holding any office and standing as candidates. UKIP has not always stood by this ruling. One man who was at the forefront of a previous political scandal is again standing for UKIP. Nigel Farage can not claim ignorance twice!

Martyn Heale is chairman of UKIP South Thanet and is standing as a UKIP candidate in the upcoming Kent County Council on May 2nd 2013. He is also the former organiser of the Hammersmith branch of the National Front in the late 1970s, standing as a National Front candidate in the local elections of 1979.

In the 2005 General Election, Martyn Heale was Nigel Farage’s election agent! Having previously acted for the discreditted ex Tory criminal Jonathan Aitken.

HEALE, Martyn - Thanet Times 12-Oct-2004

Thanet Times 12-Oct-2004

HEALE, Martyn - Thanet Times 114-Sep-2004

Thanet Times 14-Sep-2004

HEALE, Martyn - Thanet Times 17-Sep-2004

Thanet Times 17-Sep-2004

This brings into question the ethics and sincerity of UKIP and the pretence that UKIP is squeaky clean regarding racism and allowing former members of extreme right wing parties, including the National Front and the British National Party, into UKIP as office holders and candidates.
UKIP has made much of banning ex members of extremist parties yet has in its own ranks many such extremists! Including, not just, BNP & National Front Members but members of such organisations as New Britain and senior members who have colluded with extremist and racist organisations as with UKIP’s MEP Gerard Batten who has spoken in support of race hatred against Islam and published hate pamphlets in his capacity as a UKIP MEP in support of his own superstitions!
Other placements in UKIP can be noticed as in that of Mike Read who used, some years ago, to be a radio DJ and children’s presenter who is to be placed as a leading candidate in the EU elections as an MEP, also the sometime DJ and ‘shock jock’ John Gaunt who is to be the lead MEP candidate in the West Midlands having just joined UKIP, a position he has been angling for for some time as a career change.
Then of course there is the discreditted Tory sleaze symbol Neil Hamilton.
All of these are well aware of the racism of UKIP and their support for extremists through their shameful membership of the EFD Group which harbours some of the most sordid and extreme politicians in The EU and politicians with a track record of criminality, extreme racism, anti homosexuality, anti Judaism, Muslim race hatred and violence as a policy.
UKIP’s endless protestations of not being racist are just not born out by the facts though it seems it has duped many less well informed individuals often with outright lies and one wonders how militant anti racist and politically correct organisations like ‘Hate Not Hope’ have been duped!
UKIP’s pretence at blocking racists is further undermined when one notes they include in their list of organisations barred from UKIP (which is NOT enforced!) the organisation The UKFirstParty who were neither extreme nor racist and seem only to be banned for having the core aim of a more purist withdrawal stance than UKIP’s participation in the EU scam and efforts to reform it!

More a matter of petty spite than political judgement even when UKIP honours its own pretences. UKIP’s stance is hypocricy writ large with its endless list of racist positions and a track record of aiding racists consider:

Tory MEP sparks UKIP outrage by “dragging up patent rubbish” of Farage’s alleged racist outburst

3 April 2013 | By Asa BennettNigel Farage

 A Tory MEP has come under vicious attack from UKIP for posting “patent rubbish” on Facebook in repeating alleged racist statements made by UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

Writing on his Facebook page on Tuesday morning, Tory MEP Sajjad Karim quoted remarks allegedly made by Farage when speaking to UKIP founder Dr Alan Sked. Karim posted: “More relevations. ‘We will never win the nigger vote, the nig-nogs will never vote for us’ – Nigel Farage to UKIP founder Alan Sked, who abandoned the party over its adoption of far-right ideologies”.

Sajjad Karim MEP's Facebook post on Tuesday 2nd April

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Sajjad Karim MEP’s Facebook post on Tuesday 2nd April

UKIP founder Dr Sked reported Farage’s alleged statements in 2005, when speaking to the Mail on Sunday, adding that the party was “racist” and “infected by the far right”.

A UKIP spokesperson told LondonlovesBusiness.com that Karim was “dragging up patent rubbish”.

“These allegations, from a very bitter man, about a non-existent conversation that didn’t happen many years ago, have been comprehensively denied many, many times. I wonder why a Tory MEP, likely to lose his seat next year, is dragging up such patent rubbish? Anybody who knows Mr. Farage at all knows that this is ludicrous, arrant tosh,” he said.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Karim refused to be drawn on the Tory MEP’s reasoning behind posting Farage’s reported remarks, but said that it was “part of a cross-party agenda to expose UKIP for what they actually are”.

“They are committing a fraud on the British people in that they have representatives democratically elected into the European Parliament but they’re not there to do the job they’re elected to, because they want to see an end to the EU,” she added.

In response to UKIP’s attack, Karim took to Facebook to write: “oh really………!!! LOL!….Bring it on Farage – we’re ready for you in the north west.”

Sajjad Karim MEP's UKIP response

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Sajjad Karim MEP’s UKIP response

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It is unfortunate that for all the bluster UKIP are in no position to silence such criticism and some may recal Farage’s outburst in a bar in Strasbourg captured on video by Mr. Sajjad Karim MEP, we were told at the time, when Farage was forcibly removed by his own hangers on! 
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UKIP’s Racist credentials & anti democratic opinions …

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/03/2013

UKIP’s Racist credentials & anti democratic opinions …
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UKIP’s undeniably Racist credentials & the stance of anti democratic organisations and ill considered opinions!!

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Hi,
in reply to a comment on UKIP made by a comment poster on this web site at CLICK HERE I felt it apposite to state:
Hi,

having read your article on your blog your stance of somewhat loaded statistics seems more obsessed with race than that of the core grass roots members of UKIP.

To present numbers on a racial basis as a defence is clearly, in and of itself, racist.

Do be minded that an immigrant arriving here has not only not contributed to the system, but nor have their antecedents or. One must wonder at their reason for coming here and sadly all too often it is to avoid the mess their ancestors and associates have made of their own country!

I do feel that there is every reason to withhold benefits for a given period, until their long term commitment to contributing to Britain is ensured.

The open door policy forced on us by the laws made by our Parliament in The EU without care or democratic input of any validity is clearly unwise; as it puts undue strain on our basic resources, paid for by our own tax payers.

We have a shortage of jobs suitable to our own labour force in today’s market, as with housing that is suitable, and educational facilities are planned and funded in line with our own tax payers’ needs.

Our NHS is forced to expand for both immigrants and health tourists leaving insufficient funding for the levels of care selected by British tax payers, and insufficient surplus to train adequate doctors, nurses and other front line staff – thus resulting in our wholesale theft (by enticement) of the most valuable resources of third world economies in the importation of nurses, doctors and carers!

The levels of influx in percentage terms is unarguably disadvantageous to the indigenous population and its best interests and is altering the very culture and economy which the hoards of immigrants would seem initially to be attracted by.

It is bunkum to claim mass immigration enriches a country when all the evidence is to the contrary and even the Labour party now admits to its irresponsible governance in terms of immigrants – perhaps one day they will develope sufficient integrity to admit their catastrophic economic illiteracy and utterly corrupt engagement in war crimes and crimes against humanity as a result of the lies of their leadership!

No sir I do NOT concur your basic premise for your contentions, regarding immigrants on an uncontrolled basis as we currently see it!

That said having been a very active campaigner against racism and having liver in numerous countries around the world I am forced to wonder what your theioretical contentions are based upon in substance and experience – beyond childish and ill thought out jingo.

I did state earlier that I teust the fundamental grass root supporters of UKIP but please be assured I have little but contempt for the biggotry and self serving support of racism, xenophobia and outright prejudice of the most vile nature of UKIP’s leadership team and its chosen allies in The EU and thus some of its more extreme racist parasites such as Gerard Batten and his odious superstition which he deems license to befoul UKIP with in the nature of his publications against Muslims which I believe incline to incite racial hatred – nor the vile racism of Lord Pearson which likewise incline to incite racism nor the overt support of Zionists and thus their terrorist oppression of the peoples of Paleastine.

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Interestingly in seeking the views of the extremist and anti democratic organisations who claim the right to IMPOSE their views & values on others, intimidating and blackmailing them to destroy the values of democracy I note the odious Hope Not Hate cult had this to say about Racism in UKIP:

HOPE not hate takes a position on UKIP

Monitor and oppose when necessary

Last Thursday HOPE not hate launched a consultation of our supporters asking their views about UKIP. This was done on the basis that whilst we absolutely believe UKIP not to be a fascist or even an ideologically racist party in terms of its leadership or constitution, there are significant questions to be asked regarding their recent rhetoric and campaign themes. HOPE not hate isn’t questioning that UKIP also very clearly operates within the British democratic tradition, nor are we trying to restrict free speech, rather we want to make sure that the public space for debate is a positive environment rather then one driven by hate.

On a personal level, I was unsure what the position of HOPE not hate should be. I appreciate the arguments both for and against a HOPE not hate intervention. Several of my colleagues and some of our close supporters have asked us in the last 6 months to take UKIP more seriously due to genuine and legitimate concerns about their international connections with the likes of the French Front National or the Italian Lega Nord.

There were even more concerns after the recent Eastleigh by-election and the totally exaggerated claims about the number of likely immigrants to be expected from Bulgaria and Romania in January 2014.

Research by Matthew Goodwin and Robert Ford showed that while UKIP is best known for it stance against membership of the European Union, its supporters were also hostile to immigration and multiculturalism more generally.

UKIP is a very different political party from the BNP but the drivers for its appeal is quite similar.

Others were fundamentally opposed to any HOPE not hate involvement in campaigns against UKIP, as being clearly out of our purview, but even they did question why Marine Le Pen chose to name check UKIP as her closet ally in the UK, when she spoke at Cambridge recently.

This is why we asked you all for your views. After all it is you that help fund our work, campaign with us in rain and snow and have helped us drive the BNP out of council chambers across the country. Fundamentally this should be your decision not mine.

The response has been incredible. Over 1200 people replied to our email within the first 48 hours and hundreds more gave us their views via Facebook, twitter and email. These numbers show the interest in this subject and justifies us asking the question in the first place.

There were a handful of abusive replies, mainly from UKIP supporters who were outraged at us raising the question, but overall the comments – both for and against – were passionate, measured and thoughtful.

In terms of a simple vote, our supporters back HOPE not hate campaigning against UKIP by a margin of just over two to one. 67% voted to campaign, while 33% said we should continue to ignore them.

However within the attached comments the position was much more nuanced. Many of those who believed that we should campaign against UKIP believed that we should just focus our efforts and resources on those people and campaigns which are very clearly racist and plainly unacceptable to HOPE not hate’s vision for a positive and diverse society rather than the party in its entirety.

There were others who voted no who said exactly the same.

Historically this approach is clearly in line with HOPE not hate’s tradition of exposing and highlighting the unacceptable extremists in all of the mainstream political parties. From the Conservative Party’s Monday Club, to last week’s revelation about Lord Ahmed’s antisemitism, HOPE not hate operates on a platform of zero tolerance towards political and cultural extremism. That means we believe we have a duty to expose any racist campaigns, comments or activities and where necessary run localised campaigns against specific candidates.

And this goes for UKIP too.

For now, and because of the nuanced comments you made, I don’t believe there is a clear mandate to run a national campaign against UKIP. However, we will monitor them more closely than we have done in the past, especially at a local level, and we will be prepared to speak out against them when we believe that they are deliberately stoking racism by telling lies about immigration or multiculturalism. We will also be prepared to run campaigns against individual candidates who put out racist leaflets or get involved in anti-Muslim campaigns. And we will do this as vigorously as we have opposed the BNP in the past.

We will review this position in November, six months out from the European Elections.

Following the launch of our consultation last week we have been invited to meet the leadership of UKIP. We immediately agreed and while we are keen to hear what they have to say we will also be outlining our position and the red lines between what we consider to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.

I will add one final thought of my own. As I have written several times on my blog in recent months, I am extremely worried about the shift in the tone of the debate on migration. This has largely been driven by some newspapers but also adopted eagerly by some politicians, including the leadership of UKIP. This has led to an increasingly hostile and toxic environment, both in the media and on the ground in local communities. My fear is that left unchecked this will only get worse. Next January, Romanians and Bulgarians will be allowed to work in the UK and with the European Elections only a few months away increasingly aggressive racist rhetoric will be ratcheted up even further. And, with mainstream political parties worried about UKIP coming first in the European Election, there will be a tendency to drift to the right themselves. HOPE not will oppose this and work with, where possible, and against, where necessary, any political party that seeks to play the race card.

I hope I can count on your continuing support for what will be a busy 15 months.

Nick Lowles

Following the theme of ‘Hope Not Hate’ who are so reknowned for their Hate & campaigning style  I tripped over the following article from Tales From The Borderland – though not the most reliable source as I have found based on the unsustainable and idiotic drivel they published about me some years ago – do read their opinion but based on experience may I suggest you check out any facts they present as they are on occasions strangers to the need for veracity in facts!

SUPPING WITH THE DEVIL?
HOPE NOT HATE & UKIP

Published on Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:47

SUPPING WITH THE DEVIL? UKIP & HOPE NOT HATE

By Larry O’Hara (with assistance from David Pegg & Heidi Svenson) 20/3/13

With wry amusement Notes From the Borderland (hereafter NFB) has watched closely recent public posturing by Hope Not Hate (hereafter HNH), purportedly triggered by ‘concern’ at racist trends within the UK Independence Party (hereafter UKIP), set in motion on their blog 14/3/13 and issue 7 of HNH magazine.   There is far more to this story than meets the eye, and NFB are happy to provide context, albeit partial, in that much detailed proof of our assertions lies in past issues of NFB magazine, namely: issue 4 (highlighting the secret state plot to undermine UKIP in 2000), issue 5 (reproducing in full the strategy document Nick Lowles of Hope Not Hate wrote for the European Movement), and issue 10 (detailing exactly how much HNH are in the pay of the current government, specifically the Department for Communities and Local Government).  To obtain these magazines, visit our sister-site www.borderlandmagazine.co.uk or alternatively click on the top-right of this site where it says ‘How To Buy NFB By Post/On-line’.  Nonetheless hopefully enough evidence is cited here to substantiate our argument that HNH are in no position to comment with either accuracy or good faith regarding any UKIP matter, and anti-racists within UKIP should give these shysters a wide berth.  A timely intervention, given HNH are to meet the UKIP leadership imminently.

After briefly looking at HNH’s stated motivation, we discuss HNH’s ‘dialogue’ with supporters, pointing to the absurdity of any pretence this is a genuine grass-roots organisation.  Next we probe HNH’s tendentious ‘History of UKIP’, and misrepresentation of what UKIP supporters actually believe.  Then, we look at two explanations for HNH dishonesty: first, the political past/ideology of head honcho Nick Lowles, and second, HNH’s position as hirelings of the DCLG, and therefore servants of the political establishment rocked by UKIP.  Finally, a few comments on what anti-racists in UKIP and elsewhere should, and should not, do.

(1) WHY ARE HNH CONCERNED?

The cat was let out of the bag right from the start: to quote HNH’s initial blog post “UKIP is surging in the polls and could well come first in next year’s European Elections.  How should HNH respond? Should we begin to oppose them or should we stick to extremist groups like the BNP?”[i].  In other words, it is UKIP’s electoral threat to the old order that bothers HNH, not their essential nature.  They claim “UKIP is increasingly taking an anti-immigrant tone and as anti-racists we cannot ignore that”[ii].  Yet twelve years ago Lowles said virtually the same thing “UKIP has swung to the right in the last two years…UKIP now represents a nationalist rump”[iii].  If this was true, or he really believed it to be so, HNH and the Searchlight organisation from which they sprang would have opposed UKIP consistently.  Yet they haven’t.  We are not talking about principles here: Lowles wouldn’t know what one was  The real motives for HNH’s opposition to UKIP I will return to, but suffice to say, anti-racism isn’t chief among them.

(2) A PSEUDO-CAMPAIGN?

HNH has no democratic structures whatsoever, and the mugs who give them money, even assuming the incessant online polls aren’t rigged, are ignored anyway.  This ‘consultation’ was meaningless like other fund-raising gimmicks that HNH presents as such.  Firstly, the question asked was skewed: with only two options, counterposing “campainging” (i.e. something active even if mis-spelt) to the negative phrase “just ignore them”.   There is no option for supporting UKIP in any form, therefore from the outset anti-racist UKIP sympathisers are excluded from participating as themselves.  Second, not only was the stated turnout/response pitifully low (“over 1200”) the results were discounted anyway.  For “67% voted to campaign, while 33% said we should continue to ignore them”[iv], yet apparently HNH are not going to campaign against UKIP, because, according to Lowles, “within the attached comments the position was much more nuanced”, consequently “because of the nuanced comments you made, I don’t believe there is a clear mandate to run a national campaign against UKIP.  However we will monitor them more closely”.  Yet 67% is a clearer mandate than any elected UK government has received this century, or last!  If Lowles had objected on the basis of turnout, fair enough, but this arrogant twerp is objecting ostensibly because of ‘nuances’, thereby discounting the very views he pretended to canvas.  Such disdain for the punters is, as we have shown in NFB 10 (p.64) integral to the HNH model of pseudo-participation.  Supporters don’t control policy, rather they are the object of endless marketing/fund-raising campaigns dressed up as participation: clicktivism.

(3) FALSIFYING HISTORY: UKIP AS PORTRAYED BY HNH

To encourage supporters to see things their way, HNH got erstwhile photographer Joe Mulhall to cobble together a distorted account, verging on the libellous[v].  He refers to leader Nigel Farage MEP having “admitted meeting Dr Mark Deavin (the BNP’s then head of research who had briefly infiltrated UKIP…at the latter’s request, to discuss his defection from UKIP to the BNP”.  Inasmuch as Deavin is described as infiltrator, not ‘defector’, Mulhall seems to imply the defection of Farage himself to the BNP was on the menu: or else he (Mulhall) is an illiterate idiot, the charitable view.  Wonder what Nigel makes of this?  Equally dishonest, UKIP founder Alan Sked (the real subject of the Farage/Deavin meeting) is given an easy ride, described as “alluding to the damaging revelation that a…close ally of his Mark Deavin, was actually a BNP infiltrator”.  This is not the half of it.  Firstly, it was Sked himself who introduced Deavin to the higher ranks of UKIP, without him even being a member.  Secondly, the whole murky business of Deavin’s involvement in UKIP, and the subsequent Cook Report documentary on the BNP/UKIP was one in which Searchlight themselves were intimately involved from start to finish.  While HNH have now split from Searchlight (in a deeply acrimonious dispute fully chronicled in NFB 10) they share both a common past and approach.  As argued in detail in NFB 4 (p.18-23), the Deavin affair, and the attempt to set up Nigel Farage by photographing him with both Deavin and Tony Lecomber of the BNP was orchestrated not so much by the BNP (as some believe)[vi] but by Searchlight (who Lowles worked for) themselves.  Deavin was in UKIP’s orbit before he was involved with the BNP, for instance.  Other fascists Mulhall mentions with past UKIP involvement have a more interesting past than he discloses, such as Trevor Agnew and Matt Single, both featured in NFB as acting in a way entirely consistent with them being in the orbit of both Special Branch and Searchlight[vii].  Is this the standard of research you get for one day a week’s work? Even if it is, Lowles knows Mulhall’s account is poor fiction, yet evidently approves it being on the site.

Aside from rewriting the past, HNH consciously misrepresent the views of UKIP supporters, by exaggerating differences between them and other voters.  To that end, research by Rob Ford of Manchester University is cited, along with that of Matthew Goodwin, to show how extreme/racist/supportive of violence UKIP supporters are.  These self-styled and lavishly-funded ‘anti-extremism’ experts we will deal with another time, suffice to say racist attitudes are very common in society at large—in 2010 the Citizenship Survey found that of 16,200 adults 76% wanted a reduction in immigration[viii].  An even larger YouGov poll for Channel 4 of 32,000 voters in May-June 2009 found that while 76% of UKIP voters saw immigration and asylum as one of the top 3-4 political issues, 58% of Tory voters and 46% of Labour’s wanted a halt to immigration[ix].  The real problem with racism therefore, is much broader than UKIP (or the BNP) and to single out UKIP supporters is misleading, intentionally so.  No more so than when castigating UKIP supporters for being “hostile to multiculturalism more generally”[x].  In a March 2011 Searchlight magazine editorial, Lowles wrote of a David Cameron speech criticising multiculturalism, “by demanding integration, an end to state multiculturalism and an acceptance of a core liberal belief system Cameron is not playing to the far-right gallery, as some have argued, but creating a firewall between the mainstream middle and those totally opposed to immigration”.  Thus, UKIP are not allowed to criticise multiculturalism, but Tories are.  Furthermore, Lowles and co-author Carl Morphett (for some silly reason persisting with the pseudonym Simon Cressy) wrote that “while UKIP is not a far right or fascist party many of its members and supporters hold views little different from those held by the BNP”[xi]

(4) HNH’s REAL MOTIVES

Anybody who thinks Lowles an honest broker regarding UKIP clearly does not know his political past regarding Europe.  In 1996 he wrote an infamous document (while working for Searchlight) offering to provide pro-EU propaganda for the European Movement in the struggle against anti-EU forces.  The proposal (which was taken up and is reproduced in NFB issue 5 p.54-55) ends by saying

 “this research will be a unique insight into the anti-European network in Britain.  Utilising sources inside these organisations, the European Movement will be furnished with information not otherwise easily accessible.  The report and the drip flow of information will provide your organisation with invaluable ammunition to add to your cause”. 

Note the charming phrase ‘drip-feed’.  How can anybody think that a venal pro-EU disinformation-peddler like this should be listened to by anybody genuinely concerned about opposing the EU in an anti-racist way?

In case it be argued, utterly implausibly, that Lowles has changed his pro-EU spots, consider two further things.  First, the clique of which he is a part now running Hope Not Hate is largely composed of the pro-EU hard right Labour faction ‘Progress’ (see NFB 10 p.59-60/75), chief among whose patrons is the oleaginous pro-EU Peter Mandelson.  It gets even worse.  In both February 2012 and (we understand) in February 2013 (see NFB 10 p.61-62), HNH have been in receipt of substantial funding from the Department of Communities and Local Government, brokered by DCLG ‘Integration Division’ boss Andrew Jordan, and HNH speakers are frequent participants at DCLG-sponsored seminars, along with Matthew Goodwin and various spooks.  In this respect, whereas originally funding was forthcoming to counter the EDL, it now seems legitimate to argue that here we have government funded HNH turning its sights on a political party, UKIP, that is a major problem for their Tory paymasters.  That cannot be right, and is surely questionable legally.

(5) WHAT NEXT?

Hopefully, readers will now understand just why NFB regards HNH’s stance on UKIP with wry amusement, especially this announcement: “following the launch of our consultation last week we have been invited to meet the leadership of UKIP.  We immediately agreed and while we are keen to hear what they have to say we will also be outlining our position and the red lines between what we consider to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour”[xii].  Just why would anybody of good faith listen to what the likes of Lowles, known Europhiliac and DCLG hireling, might have to say by way of ‘advice’ to the anti-EU movement generally/UKIP in particular?  Rather we suggest:

  1. UKIP itself acts against racists in the ranks and expels them.
  2. No meeting with HNH, and especially no handing over of membership lists, as Sked did in the past[xiii]
  3. Those on the Left/Greens abandon their shameful acquiescence (by & large) in the racket that is the EU, thereby shifting the anti-EU debate Leftwards and linking it to a transformative political strategy.  Unless and until the Left deals with Elephant in the room that is the EU, they will (rightly) remain marginal.
  4. Urgent Freedom of Information Act  requests concerning  ongoing HNH funding by DCLG and other government departments, as a prelude to legal action to ensure this is not used for tawdry (pro-coalition) political purposes.  Opponents should not baulk at taking legal action against HNH: they don’t ‘do’ genuine debate.  For example, in the dispute with Searchlight they have threatened legal action/called in lawyers on no less than six occasions (NFB 10 p.73 has details) rather than have genuine public debate over differences.  What is really at stake is taxpayers money being used for proxy campaigning on behalf of the coalition.
  5. Further examination of the way political discourse is being polluted by anti-extremism discourse, as bought into by the DCLG/HNH/the Home Office/spooks and various intellectual prostitutes posturing as academics like Ford and Goodwin
  6. If there is to be a meeting between Lowles and others in the HNH orbit with anti-EU forces, a clear red line should be drawn, preferably at the top of some stairs, and the whole rotten lot booted out over it into the gutter where they belong.
Clearly the upper echelons of UKIP are racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual and extremist – and all proven beyond argument by their close association and both support and sponsorship of overtly racist pan EU groups and their own Pan EU Political Group The EFD.
The excuse quoted for this close association with extremism of the basest nature is ‘for money & influence’ so it is fair to say UKIP is without ethics or principles and willing to prostitute itself to any vile extremist cause in return for ‘influence and money’!
Not a pleasant prospect for a political cult in Britain and as a Farage cult it is hard to think of it as a ‘Party’ at times!
Then of course the re are the efforts of Notes from the Borderland to summarise their 2001 position on UKIP infiltration by MI6 – which seems little more accurate than their original fanciful speculations, fed, as I recal, by the embittered and inaccurate speculations of the outmaneuvered UKIP aspirant Christina Speight’s vitriolic and dishonest views!
The rehash of this old story was published on 05-Aug-2010

YET MORE PLOTS AND RUMOURS OF PLOTS: DID MI6 INFILTRATE UKIP?

Introduction

One thing that unquestionably facilitates spook intervention in politics is the studied unwillingness of people on one part of the spectrum to take an interest when perceived opponents are infiltrated.  No more so than suggestions that the Euro-Sceptic movement might be the subject of secret state jiggery-pokery.  This not only ignores the political past–both the Labour Party & the Green Party once favoured withdrawal from the EU–it allows spooks greater maneouvrability in the present. 

 Something that we at NFB definitely think is a bad thing.  We would only ask that those who have no sympathy for UKIP put that aside for a few minutes and look at the issues…

TEBBIT WEIGHS IN

Just before the 2001 General Election, Tory bruiser Norman Tebbit wrote in The Spectator that UKIP had two ex-MI6 agents in the ranks, and by standing in seats against Tory Eurosceptic candidates was perhaps following an MI6 (and New Labour) agenda [132]. His argument had two aspects–the presence of MI6 assets on the one hand, and UKIP electoral strategy on the other.

UKIP did indeed stand against Tory Euro-sceptics who lost their seats, such as Patrick Nicholls. However, standing against those they are politically close to was no new policy–UKIP opposed the Referendum Party in 1997 and prior to that election were distinctly antagonistic [133]. In any event, whatever Tebbit’s own views on the EU, the suspicion is this article was written for (Tory) party motives to some extent at least. Tebbit hardly proved his case as to what M!6 might have been up to in UKIP. He did however, to use his phrase, ‘strike gold’ in one respect-ascertaining there were indeed two ex-MI6 agents inside UKIP. For that, we should all be grateful, as too for putting the question of spooks infiltrating politics on the agenda.

MI6 & PARTY POLITICS—A DEFINITE CASE TO ANSWER

Without question MI6 cultivate assets in political parties. Raymond Fletcher (Labour MP for llkestone 1964-83) was on MI6’s payroll while in parliament. Another former MI6 officer was influential Tory Cranley Onslow MP, later instrumental in recruiting 1970s MI6 provocateurs the Littlejohn brothers. Former Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken was so in with MI6 he used this to defend his libel case against The Guardian. The most high profile former MI6 officer is Paddy Ashdown. As Lib Dem Leader his first act was persuade the party to ditch their unilateral nuclear disarmament policy. And who really believes his interest in the former Yugoslavia has nothing to do with Paddy’s MI6 past? Not us. At the very least we can say former MI6 employees entering politics retain links with SIS, which are of use in, and affect, their political life.

THE JONES ALLEGATIONS

Tebbit did not name his source, but others did. It was Chris Jones, sometime Labour Party Press Officer, more recently a UKIP Press Officer. He held this post for a few months before departing in contested circumstances. Jones, contacted by NFB, readily conceded he was Tebbit’s source, but added little, and seemed unenthusiastic about his previous claims. Undeterred, we continued investigating and obtained his two known relevant letters anyway.

First up is Jones’ letter to Jeffrey Titford MEP dated 26/9/00. He raises seven main points, yet none concern MI6 or even party policy. They all impinge on his employment contract and related financial matters, of little help in determining MI6 involvement in UKIP. At that time (and still) Jones had a court case pending relating to his employment. Maybe he was sidelined after discovering an MI6 plot in UKIP–but this letter does not directly support that. Indeed, inasmuch as he says “alarm bells started ringing in my head in my second week in [UKIP] employ”, no allegation concerning MI6 is even implicitly substantiated. A mundane motive for alleging MI6 infiltration (revenge) is however potentially substantiated. Luckily, we already know via Tebbit two were definitely ex-MI6.

A second Jones missive is more helpful, dated 14/1/01. His letter to the ‘Regulation of Investigatory Powers Tribunal’ refers to “my allegation, based on detailed circumstantional {sic) evidence gathered over 5 months that UKIP has been penetrated and is largely controlled by British Intelligence agents”. Unfortunately there is no evidence in this letter, although a request is made to “call upon files on UKIP: myself: Dr R AE North: G Franklyn-Ryan: Nigel Farage MEP: Heather Coyningham a former FCO official; Christopher Skeate also FCO: Tony Stone: Mark Daniel (alias): Janet Girsman and G Lance Watkins”. Given he presumably doesn’t see himself as a spook, maybe others on this list are victims too according to Jones. What caused whittling down 8 names to 2 (when he met Tebbit) is not ascertainable. Perhaps Mr Jones might say more on these matters, and we hope he will. One further point-in our opinion, the last people to go to if concerned about spookery is the Home Secretary or any spook monitoring body. If there is no secret state involvement, it’d be a waste of time. If there is involvement, they wouldn’t admit it but simply cover their tracks.

SIFTING THE EVIDENCE

According to preliminary research the following things are known or claimed about Heather Coyningham & Christopher Skeate, the two ex-MI6 staff. They worked in Latin America together (possibly Peru) and were both in the Referendum Party, the latter as a 1997 candidate. As UKIP Press Officer, Skeate recruited Coyningham to a secretarial role. Fluent in languages. Coyningham now works in Brussels as secretary to both Titford and Farage. No evidence has been found of her factionalising, but it has to be said if she were still operating to an MI6 agenda, this apparently mundane but in reality crucial job is exactly the sort of task she would perform. We have heard that Coyningham played a key part in the recent General Election campaign, and helped change party policy concerning a referendum on EU membership. We do not know this is so, but report it: such a policy dilution is something MI6 would favour.

Skeate has a higher profile. He attended the crucial New Alliance foundation meeting 7/6/97 and in February 1999 lobbied NEC members to prevent suspension of Liz Milton from that body. Also that month, he accused then leader Michael Holmes of being responsible for posting defamatory material concerning himself (Holmes) on the Eurofaq internet newsgroup. Skeate drifted in and out of the various internal conflicts, surfacing at the October 1999 AGM claiming “the NEC had achieved nothing in the last year or so-and attempted to put the blame on Michael Holmes” (according to one critic) [134].  Maybe Skeate’s participation in factionalism was innocent-and after all, a lot less than some. However, if he too were still working to an MI6 agenda, encouraging factionalism at pivotal moments is something one might expect. Early in 2001, Skeate left UKIP, over an undisclosed matter. His internet argument with Holocaust Denial supporter Alistair McConnachie (mentioned earlier) found its way to the Guardian in February 2001. Of course, Skeate probably genuinely opposes anti-semitism, although we doubt pro-Jewish sympathies were encouraged in MI6. After all, his Latin America posting will have included dealings with the Cayman Islands, which play “an integral role in money laundering for several of the Arab intelligence services” [135].

REACTIONS TO TEBBIT

Ordinary UKIP members saw Tebbit as pursuing a Tory agenda: fair comment [136], The Telegraph covered it straight [137]. The Guardian snidely dismissed Tebbit as a ‘conspiracy theorist’—yet Tebbit had incontrovertibly established Skeate and Coyningham were MI6 [138].

Next up was Andrew Pierce inThe Times (24/5), who in 1999 broke the Farage/Lecomber/Deavin photo story. He poured scorn on Tebbit, implying UKIP was the province of MI5 (if anything) not MI6–but why not both? He stated “there have been so many personality clashes within the party they would not have needed any external help to disrupt it”. Like Pierce for example? His was a disingenuous remark, for not only may spooks accentuate personal rivalries (the COINTELPRO model) genuine rivalries are good cover. Obviously speaking of the Jones Memo, Pierce claimed to be “trying to locate” it. We think it unlikely he didnt already have it. He asked of a plot ‘what is the point?’, knowing full well even the tiniest groups get infiltrated, never mind ones with MEPs whose main plank is a foreign policy issue. Pierce then deliberately blurs the Carmichae! (MI5) case with this (MI6) one, attributing such (manufactured) confusion to Tebbit! And so on–all in all, a professional snow job. Clearly, at some time between 1999 and 2001, Pierce’s public line on UKIP has undergone a radical change. Reporting the Tory attempt to bribe UKIP early in 2001 Pierce was respectful of Farage, quoting extensively from his internal UKIP report in a way doing UKIP (as opposed to Tories) no harm [139]. The uncharitable might think Pierce got instructions from above (or below) to enthusiastically rubbish Tebbit’s claims. We couldn’t possibly comment.

Recent coverage in the BNP’s Spearhead says little but is again reminiscent of Dr Deavin, using the name Barry Preston [140]. To date, neither Searchlight nor Francis Wheen have said anything. Maybe the drip feed is clogged up?

During the whole controversy, only one UKIP luminary spoke–Nigel Farage. He said a lot–and said nothing. To The Telegraph he admitted the “party could have been infiltrated by all sorts of people”. Not specifying who. For The Guardian he mused over whether leaks from UKIP had been “the far left, the far right, or the Conservatives, but I just don’t know”. Not spooks then. Strange, considering Tebbit’s Spectator article reported “no shock at UKIP when I told them what I know about the person who had left”. Or perhaps Farage believes an MI6 asset in UKIP would not be infiltration? So what would? On the BBC (23/5/01) Farage rhetorically asked “who is to say whether we were infiltrated by the security services”. Actually, Norman Tebbit. Farage’s most fatuous offering is the last. According to the Daily Express (25/5/01) after questioning Coyningham, Farage said “she thinks these claims are nonsense”. So do any number of people up in court–shouldn’t a party leader properly investigate, as the Express headline ‘Party starts spy probe’ promises? Topping it is this riposte. “Asked whether either had ever worked for MI6, Mr Farage said ‘I haven’t got a clue'”. Does this ridiculous response indicate irresponsible incompetence or something else? Your call. At the very least, former Tory MP John Browne could head up an inquiry. That really would be fun.

FOOTNOTES TO EXTRACT

132) The Spectator 26/5/01
133) see for example UKIP Press Release 28/11/96 & leaflet ‘Why UKIP is not in alliance with the Referendum Party’ (1996)
134) letter in Independence issue 30 October 1999 p.5
135) John Loftus & Mark Aarons ‘The Secret are Against the Jews; (St Martins Press NY) p.394
136) Brian Lee letter to The Spectator 2/6/01
137) Daily Telegraph 24/5/01 (Sarah Womack)
138) The Guardian 24/501 (Nicholas Watt).
139) The Times 2/3/01 (Andrew Pierce).
140) Funny goings-on in UKIP’ Spearhead 92 October 2001 p.18-19

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Surrounding himself with Praise Singers Farage is blinded!

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Surrounding himself with Praise Singers Farage is blinded!
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Surrounding himself with Praise Singers Farage is blinded by the devotion he has bought!

Clearly UKIP are no longer fit for purpose as their caliber sinks yet further with the loss of ever5 more members of gravitas and ability where numbers are quoted as achievement when competence and quality are what might have won the day!

Always assuming that the aim is still to Leave-The-EU which is an ambition which becomes ever more obscure in UKIP’s present campaigning!

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reading around the blogosphere, which seems to give a far more in touch take on most aspects of the news, I was interested in the two postings shown beloe, which seemed to have a clear grasp on the political scene in Britain.
When you have read these you may also wish to track down the speech given by Andrew Marr in the EU parliament building one evening last week, wherein he explained the shift in policy and interest of The USA from Atlanticism to facing out across The Pacific and building new and stronger allies both in and on the rim of the Pacific.
Astonishingly much was made of the one sentence shoehorned into Obama’s recent ‘State of the Union’ speech dropping the crumb of comfort to old allies and outdated interests in EUrope with regard to more open borders for trade.

Does this make American policy increasingly Janus like – well clearly not as they have never denied their self interest and as America moves towards self sufficiency in oil with Mexico, US and Canada shortly to overtake the Middle East in oil production the relevance of their defence of the Straits of Hormuz and the gulf oil diminishes, as of course will its interest in propping up the rotting corpse of Zionism that has so befouled geo politics and the reputation of Judaism and the land of Palestine over modern recent history.

It is clear that America no longer sees Russia as the great enemy and it is clearly no rival in trade terms so why would America require EUrope as a buffer state any longer?

The world is moving and very clearly UKIP is little more than an irritating pimple in the gutter of EUropean politics, having lost sight of its ‘raison d’etre’ blinded by the personal ambitions and agendas of its unprofessional and self serving leadership clique and its claque of goffers & fools.

A decade of unfettered media hysteria – the demonisation of immigrants, Muslims and now benefit claimants, large families, the disabled, the sick, the poor – it has left the electorate blaming one another for the ills of society, for the consequences of this moral vacuum now permeating every mien, nook and cranny of our public and private lives. This administration’s modus operandi is that social reform is easiest ushered in under utter chaos, with fires to put out at every turn and where neighbour is turned against neighbour, the poor against the rich and religious orthodoxy against the LGBT lobby, in a twisted manipulation of the equalities brief.

It says much when the Rennard scandal and ensuing fiasco cannot further worsen the train wreck that the Lib Dems have become over the last two years. Broken promises, compromises on core values let alone policy and the fall of Huhne – a man who used to slam down papers onto the table as he went toe-to-toe against the PM in cabinet meetings – leaves the Lib Dems on the political equivalence of a palliative care pathway ahead of the next general election. 

We are, as things stand, facing a period of phenomenal change – a social engineering which places our society on the edge of a precipice. Beneath us lie the ruins of civilisations which have chosen self interest and injustice over the public good, iniquity and concentration of wealth and power over enlightenment and true democracy. Anger and outrage at Tory lead policies and social reforms need to calm, it is an anger that can easily return to bite us. We need to cut through the rhetoric, be cool headed and clear not only about where the left stands but also the about rise of the right. The far right is on the rise, let there be no mistake about it. In Germany, 9% of the country expresses right-wing extremist attitudes and xenophobic prejudice is expressed by 25% of the population. In Greece, we see Golden Dawn, Italy’s Northern League, Le Pen’s Front National, Wilders’ Freedom Party, Hungary’s Jobbik, the list goes on. Increasingly, people are speaking out but little is being done to stem the tide as they fill the vacuum created by the implosion of the left and liberal democratic parties.

 
 

And yet there seems to be an ostrich-like denial that this is, or could ever be the case in the UK. Like reporters in Iraq, we have become so ’embedded’ with the far right here, that we cannot see the wood for the trees. UKIP is tied with a number of European far right parties through the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) group.

Although UKIP walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, Farage has long denied ties with domestic far right movements. However, last year I was shown evidence of a secret meeting which took place between UKIP MEP Gerald Batten, the fundamentalist group Christian Concern for Our Nation, Islamophobic hate peddler Sam Solomon and via telephone, the leader of the English Defence League, Tommy Robinson.

The meeting was entitled “Dismantling Multiculturalism” and amongst the policy discussions was the attack on core institutions of British Muslim communities – organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain and Quilliam Foundation. Batten’s scrawl also says (under green highlighter) “3) No Islamic Banking” and listed under number four “no halal, no kosher”. On the last page of his “Charter of Understanding” intended for Muslims, Batten has prepared an “affirmation” for Muslims to sign and return by post.

Chilling.

 
There are significant questions for both UKIP and Farage. As the Lib Dem’s wither on the vine and Labour searches for its soul, UKIP continues to drag Tory policy (not unwillingly) to the right. Cameron continues to court their voters through policy tweaks and with Marta Andreasen defecting, we see little divide between the parties. As shown in Eastleigh, there is no effective protest option in the British political landscape outside of UKIP. At the Rotherham by election Farage remarked to Newsnight 
 
“at the general election two and a half years ago, UKIP scored 3% of the vote… you’re looking at a very different party, a very confident party”. 
 

The far right is here. In our midst. And we see it not. Or worse still, we care not. If the left can get their act together quickly, the Horn of Gabriel need not yet be sounded. In this instance, hope needn’t prolong the torment of man. Epictetus asked us to leave our sons well instructed rather than rich, since the hopes of the instructed are better than the wealth of the ignorant. It’s advice we would do well to follow.

of interest as a supporter of UKIP who has seen the damage done by the unprofessional self interest of its leadership and its claque.
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& Yet UKIP Still Tries To Claim It is NOT Racist or Xenophobic!

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& Yet UKIP Still Tries To Claim It is NOT Racist or Xenophobic!
Clear4ly members & members of its leadership are not just anto homosexual as proven in the courts but are very clearly xenophobic & support Racism, Violence, Criminality & anti Judaism!!

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one need only read the apparent incitement to race hate based on supertition as published and distributed by Gerard Batten to realise there are aspects of racism and xenophobia that go right to the top in UKIP.

Time after time it is made clear that UKIP members at all levels are racist, xenophobic, anti homosexual and in many ways the failed of other parties who have come together out of greed, self interest and inadequacy to collectively promote their inadequacies, fears and hatred in the manner of introspective nationalists.

UKIP make much of bragging of patriotism when clearly they have as little understanding of the meaning of the word as they have of the aims and principles of Libertarianism.

Let us not forget the fact that UKIP leader Nigel Farage derives a substantial part of the bribes he gets from the EU from leading and having taken UKIP into the Pan EU EFD Group he founded – the sweepings of the gutter politics of EUrope beset with hatred, racism, criminality, anti homosexuality, anti Judaism and even going as far as to support many of the aims of Anders Brevik the cowardly mass murderer from Norway.

Yet again we see the ugly side of this collective of cranks and gadflies who so desperately try to stuff the truth of their core beliefs in the closet!

UKIP has desperately come off the rails in pandering to the populism of the lowest common denominator in persuit of its ambitions and self enrichment – doing great harm to the EUroSceptic aims of the majority in Britain who seemingly, in poll after poll, wish to Leave-The-EU.

Ukip Bristol Chairman Phillip Collins Insists ‘Put All Illegal Immigrants In Holding Centres’

Posted: 04/03/2013 11:29 GMT  |  Updated: 04/03/2013 12:16 GMT

 
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The chairman of Ukip in Bristol has backed controversial removal centres for illegal immigrants saying there should be “one in every town.” He also appeared to suggest that those entering the country illegally should be sent to prison.

Phillip Collins stressed that holding centres should not be the same as prisons, but added: “If they were to go to prison, really I would say a six month prison term for coming over here, using our facilities and using our services would be right for breaking the law.”

Speaking to the Huffington Post UK he said families should be broken up if one member is here illegally and other members aren’t.

He said: “They would be treated humanely and fairly and properly but would not be allowed into the wider community. If one member of a family is illegal and the others aren’t well, the illegal one would have to be put into the holding community. If the mother is illegal and the father is not, they should be separated.

“If they are ill then they can go to hospital but they should be escorted to hospital like prisoners. They should be held in the holding centre until they find papers for them. At the moment the police let them go but then they disappear and then they stay here forever.

“These holding centres would be like prisons with unlocked doors, then after they’ve all been used and we’ve got rid of all the immigrants then we could turn them into actual prisons.

Collins made the comments after an interview with VICE in which he insisted all Eastern European immigrants should leave the UK, and that this country, “within three or four generations will be a Muslim country.”

He told the magazine “Unless we do something about it, we’ll be the ones on the street begging for change.”

He also told their reporter that there should be two or three holding centres in every city.

Collins said these were his personal views are not the views of Ukip. “I’m not sure what official Ukip policy is,” he told the Huffington Post UK.

“There are two million illegal immigrants in the UK and there should be as many holding centres as necessary to keep all of them in,” he added.

“It sounds like a lot of money up front but it would create jobs. There are as many as two million illegal immigrants using all our services and facilities. “

Britain’s prison population stands at 84,000 with a maximum capacity of 88,000. The last formal study of irregular (illegal) immigrants in 2007 put the number between 417,000 and 863,000, according to the migration observatory.

Currently the UK has 12 immigration removal centres, with a capacity of 4055, which exist to house foreign nationals awaiting decisions on their asylum claims or awaiting deportation following a failed application. Of the twelve centres, half are devoted to purely male detainees.

The removal centres have proved controversial since their inception with opponents saying it is wrong to imprison people who are fleeing persecution and who have committed no crime.

A spokesperson for Migrants’ Rights Network told the Huffington Post UK there were significant problems with removal centres as “there’s no limitation for how long people can be held.”

“It’s a huge human rights and personal liberty issue. Individuals can spend years in detention while the UK Border Agency tries to remove them.”

Detention Action, which supports and campaigns with people held in detention centres, told the Huffington Post UK Collins was guilty of “wild exaggerations” about migration.

Campaigner Kate Blagojevic told the Huffington Post UK “There are a lot of myths and misinformation peddled about migration in the UK and Phillip Collins is repeating them word for word plus a few wild exaggerations, for example, saying that there are 2 million people are living in the UK without documentation is simply a lie.

“However, worryingly a lot of his suggestions are already in practice – people are escorted and handcuffed in hospitals; families are already broken up; and people are already held in prison like centres for months or even years.”

She said the current removal centres are “expensive, unnecessary and unfair,” saying that to hold someone for one day costs around £120 and added “people who are held for a year are more likely to be released than removed.”

Countering Collins’ claims she said: “We are one of the countries in Europe that detains people without any time limit and detain people as soon as they claim asylum.

“I speak to people daily in pubs and restaurants as well – they think that the UK had a duty to protect people who a seeking safely; to uphold a tradition of welcoming refugees; who believe that families should not be ripped apart; who believe that children shouldn’t grow up without parents; who believe that the UK should have an immigration system based on fairness not force.”

Detention Centre Rules insist that safety and security is to be maintained but “with no more restriction than is required for safe custody and well ordered community life.”

However there have been a number of disturbances at centres, shining a spotlight on the controversial practice.

At Morton Hall in Lincolnshire, three prisoners threatened to commit suicide in the past year, there have been riots and a group of 18 asylum seekers from Afghanistan going on hunger strike.

A Nigerian man scaled the roof in protest over his prolonged detention in August, while one Palestinian and one Malaysian protested at the the ‘disrespectful’ and ‘inhumane’ treatment at the hands of the guards. Allegations of racism and violence were also made by one anonymous whistleblower.

“The problem we have is these people feel they are treated like criminals when their crimes are simply fleeing their own country for whatever reason,” Iman Sajid from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants said at the time.

Additionally, detainees at a Dover immigration removal centre who claimed they had been tortured were treated dismissively, prisons inspectors said in August.

In February an 84-year-old Canadian man died after becoming ill at an immigration removal centre near Heathrow airport. The Guardian reported that Alois Dvorzac was “extremely distressed” the day he was rushed to hospital with chest pains.

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Morton Hall in LincolnshireUkip MEP Gerard Batten said Collins,’ idea was “superficially attractive” but impractical. In a statement to the Huffington Post UK he said: “We would expect all illegal immigrants to register as such with the authorities, in an advertised time period.

“If they do not, and the authorities become aware of their presence, then they open themselves to automatic deportation, as illegal immigrants.”

“It may be superficially attractive to think that all illegals should be processed though these centres, but given that there are only 4000 places in them when there are anything up to 1 million illegal immigrants in the country, it is neither humane nor practical to do so”.

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Gerard Batten, in pink, said the idea was superficially attractive but not practicalUkip was accused by David Cameron of being a party of “fruit cakes and loonies and closet racists” in 2006, a description that has cast a shadow over the party ever since, despite fervent denials by Ukip.

However the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become “extraordinarily right-wing” and is now devoted to “creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants.” He told the Huffington Post UK in November “They’re not an intellectually serious party. Their views on immigrants and on [banning] the burqa are morally dodgy.”

However Collins says he represents the views of the majority, saying: “I speak to people daily in pubs and restaurants and on the street and all the British people feel this way. The other EU countries don’t abide by these rules, we’re the only country stupid enough to do this . There are A LOT of people who feel this way, the vast majority. The British people are being taken the p**s out of. “

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Marine Le Pen’s alliance with UKIP & UKIP Lies

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French far-right leader Marine Le Pen claimed to be in “regular contact” with UKIP, she told The Times after speaking at the Cambridge Union yesterday.

Mrs Le Pen, an MEP and president of the right-wing Front National party in France, denied that her party felt an affinity with the British National Party and added: “I am in regular contact with UKIP. If I felt my options were closer to the BNP I would be in contact with the BNP, but I am in contact with UKIP.”

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Nigel Farage’s claim in an attepted defence was:

“I very much doubt she has met an official from UKIP in her life.”
One has to ask oneself if Nigel Farage is deliberately telling lies or is Nigel Farage so out of touch with his party and its executive that he forgets the involvement of Marine LePen with his personally appointed UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom, as quoted in the media and via Godfrey Bloom’s extremist pan EU group The Pan EU Alliance for Freedom
It does rather look as if yet again Nigel Farage and his party, when their extremism is exposed, merely ‘wings it’ with yet another off the cuff lie or policy invented on the spur of the moment!

It is sad that Britain’s once great hope of a EUroSceptic party has been so debased as to be rendered little more than an irritant of no meaningfull consequence  having catastrophically failed to make any meaningfull inroads in domestic politics with less than 30 elected offices out of the  some 19,500 available after 20 years and this includes their embarrassing and crass bevvy of ne’er do wells squabbling and posturing as MEPs in their vile racist, anti homosexual, anti Jewish, anti immigrant, anti Muslim extremist group The EFD, in the gutter of EU politics.
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It Seems The Black Media Sees UKIP & Farage as Racist!

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This article commenting on UKIP was of passing interest:

Central political strategy for UKIP: Xenophobia? [1.5217391304348]

Central political strategy for UKIP: Xenophobia?

The UK Independence Party is preparing to exploit ‘fears’ over mass immigration from Romania and Bulgaria by putting the issue at the centre of its campaign strategy. UKIP, which has seen a surge in the polls, claims that 350,000-400,000 immigrants from the two countries will come into the UK. They also claim that a rise will ‘impact’ crime rates.

UKIP assertion that 350,000-400,000 Romanians and Bulgarians, will come into the UK, has been challenged by migrant experts. Migrant specialist say that Romanians are more likely to go to Italy, Spain and France, than to the UK, as they share cultural and linguistic links with these countries.

They also pointed out that the restrictions on immigrants are being lifted at the same time for other Western European countries. Bulgaria and Romania joined the European Union in 2007, however caps on their movement with the European Union were placed. The caps are due to be lifted in January 2014.

UKIP believes that the issue will play a ‘major’ role in local elections in May, as well as, European parliament elections in 2014. UKIP seek to link the issue with leaving the EU, which is a ‘major’ concern for voters. Private polling suggested that any party that successfully ties the two issues, would appeal to 80% of the electorate. A UKIP spokesperson told the Independent:

We will be able, quite legitimately, to tie the Government’s inaction vis a vis the European Union and a local impact on people’s towns and villages”.

He went on to say:

The free movement between Britain, Romania and Bulgaria is going to have an impact on schools, housing, roads, facilities, health care and I hate to say it- crime”. The rhetoric from UKIP, has caused alarm in the Conservative party, as they fear that the new strategy will take away traditional Tory voters.

Conservative MPs have called on the Government to impose new restrictions on immigration from Romania and Bulgaria. On Wednesday, Tory MP Stewart Jackson, will present a commons Bill calling on fresh limits on Bulgarian and Romanians coming to the UK. He said:

We don’t want to make the same mistake as we did in 2004 which was to import a very large number of low-wage, low-skill workers and embed welfare dependency in our indigenous workforce”.

Comparisons with 2004 are misguided, migration expert warn. In 2004, Britain was the only major economy to adopted an ‘open doors’ policy towards Poland and other EU member states. Up to one Million Polish migrants came to the UK, however half of them left the UK after a few years. Scott Blinder, acting director of the Migration Observatory at Oxford University said:

If you compare what is going to happen next year with what happened in 2004, most of what we know suggests it will be a smaller impact, smaller scale event”.

The electoral campaign from UKIP is based on misinformation and a distortion of the facts, the implication that voters are worried about ‘immigration’, because of supposed links to crime and disintegration is a cause for concern. What is even more concerning is how the ‘dangerous’ rhetoric has caught on in the other parties. The net benefit of immigrants for the UK is quiet high, Immigrants play a huge role in the UK economy and they tend to play a pivotal role in the health service.

The strategy of UKIP is regrettable, seen by many as xenophobic and wrong, however this surge did not happen in a vacuum. They have merely played into a wider climate of xenophobia created in part by media’s depiction of ‘immigrants, crime and the economy’.

This image is juxtaposed with the idea that ‘Britain is full up’ and being ‘overrun’ by ‘foreigners’, despite the fact that 95% of people in this country are citizens and 81% of this country is uninhabited. Whilst, tough scrutiny of UKIP is needed, it should also be applied to the Media that feeds us these stereotypes.

Usman Butt

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it is fairly clear to the informed that opposition to excess immigration is not in any way racist.

Immigration comes from many Countries and almost no aspect of inward immigration is beneficial to the host Country where housing, education, culture, health, jobs and so much more are put under pressure.

One of the greatest damages is in relation to the health service, where there is an influx of people making demands on an already over stretched health service – this gives rise to an influx of medically qualified aliens when our own Government should be forced to train sufficient medical staff for our own services.

Sadly the Government tends to redirect its resources from training to treatment. This results in a vacuum sucking in trained people from third world countries – the great resource of the poor countries!

Who and in what way are there winners from the overall effect of excessive immigration?

Racism on the other hand is pernicious and unfortunately all too close to the values of all too many in UKIP.

You will have noted the inclination to incite racial hatred engendered by the anti Islamic pamphlets of UKIP’s NEC Gerard Batten and the Zionist extremism of Malcolm Lord Pearson and his gross exaggerations of the reproduction of Muslims and people of colour.

You will have also noted the support from UKIP of their extremist anti homosexual, racist Pan EU EFD Group which Nigel Farage leads!
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UKIP One-Man-Band seen as a political joke

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It is sad, due to utter unprofessionalism and lack of competent leadership that UKIP as The Farage cult, a One-Man-Band, is seen as a political joke!

Clearly Nigel Farage is a clever performing monkey at times but he is without leadership skills or OQ* and seen as a nuisance rather than a threat having hugely damaged the EUroSceptic movement with his dishonesty, showing off & spiv antics & self destructive lack of gravitas.

UKIP has no leadership, no strategy, no tactics & no professionalism, thus few informed or competent supporters!

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my thanks to Guido for this cartoon which shows that even his friends see Farage as little more than a clown in political terms.

With tyhe overt extremism, anti Islamism, racism, anti homosexual behaviour of the group Farage leads in The EU it is little wonder UKIP has no future in British domestic politics, when even the Greens managed to get an MP UKIP consistently averages around 3% in all domestic bye elections and still has less than 30 individuals elected to any office of note out of the 19,500 seats available in British politics.

The very clear fear of Islam of bufoons like Gerard Batten & the Zionist extremist Malcolm Pearson are undeniable (remember his extreme outburst of vitriol against Muslims which gained him & UKIP a double page spread in the media!) – one only need read the pamphlets written by the risible low life and liar Gerard Batten MEP that incline to promote racial hatred and the atrocious publicity Malcolm Lord Pearson, one of Farage’s puppets, have garnered for UKIP to realise their hatred and the obvious lack of competence in their own superstitions that they can not expect to lead by example!

Perhaps a closer look at some of UKIP’s close associates might help CLICK HERE & HERE & ALSO or CLICK

You will also note the very many articles and links on this web site that show beyond a shadow of doubt the corruption, criminality, dishonesty, racism, anti Islamism, anti Judaism, extreme Zionism, holocaust Denial and willingness to resort to violence of UKIP and their close allies and associates.

UKIP are NOT The BNP in blazers they are far far worse and much more dangerous as they build their little clique around their only notable individual (much as The BNP did) forming a cult of self interest and self enrichment where appointments are all controlled from the center and internal elections are clearly proven to have been rigged.

The danger of The Cult is that in so many ways they pass themselves off as seeming acceptable and patriotic, when clearly they have as much understanding of Patriotism as they have of the principles of Libertarianism where they seem to consider Libertarian to mean libertine behaviour for those in the clique of the cult a and rigid and absoluter authoritarian control of those outside the cult even those in their well honed claque of cowards, sock puppets and the self serving.

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Mike Nattrass shows himself to be a self interested rascal

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UKIP MEP Mike Nattrass shows himself to be a self interested rascal happy to be associated with racism, extremism and corruption for his own personal gain it would seem!!

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Racism on the rise in UKIP with Mike Nattrass rejoining the extremist Pan EU Political EFD Group as his best chance of re-election for cash!

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Thus not only has Mike Nattrass shown himself to be an untrustworthy and unreliable little chap but without principles as the last once of credibility he may have had left trickled down his leg in fear.

I believe his Labour critic has the measure of the sad little man:

UKIP provide further proof of their far-right leanings

This morning in the plenary chamber Martin Schulz announced that two MEPs have joined UKIP’s Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) political grouping.  

The first of these is Mike Nattrass, though he is actually rejoining after quitting the group in June 2010.  Mr Nattrass left the group because, as he said, he did not want to sit with MEPs “who do not wish to leave the EU and have very odd views on many issues which are incompatible with my own”. He also said that by remaining a member of the EFD he “would be condoning this progressive destruction of our cherished institutions” and would be ‘far more effective’ as a non-attached MEP.

Perhaps more intriguingly, the newest member of the EFD is Slavcho (aka Slavi) Binev from Bulgaria.  Mr Binev was elected in 2009 as an MEP for Attack, a far-right nationalist party, that he has since left.  The Attack party has been involved in a number of scandals, most notably in 2006 when then leader Dimitar Stoyanov made racist and misogynistic remarks about another Bulgarian MEP.  What’s more Mr Binev was named in a 2005 US diplomatic cable on organised crime as heading the MIG entertainment group whose ”criminal activities include prostitution, narcotics, and trafficking stolen automobiles”.

UKIP are a strange bunch with stranger friends and this acceptance of Slavi Binev is further proof.  It’s worth remembering another person who felt the need to leave the EFD, Nikki Sinclaire who resigned from the EFD citing her displeasure at what she claims to be some of the racist, extremist parties that belong to the group.  Sinclaire was subsequently expelled from UKIP for refusing to be part of the EFD group, but went on to win an Employment Tribunal claim for sex discrimination against them.

Farage may be feeling confident after UKIP’s showing in the recent by-elections, but he should show a bit more care about his public perception.  I have already spoken about Godfrey Bloom’s sharing wine with fascist leader Marine le Pen and now Farage has decided to campaign against gay marriage in order to steal votes from the Tories.  Farage, it appears, is well on the way to exposing the extreme-right and bigoted character of UKIP.

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Details of the vile extremist EFD Group can be found CLICK HERE
Details of the odious EAF are available at CLICK HERE
Mike Nattrass has always been a deeply unreliable individual moving from his roots in the extremist party he campaigned for
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to UKIP where frequently unable to control his temper, language and stupidity it is hard to note a single thing he has done to help the Leave-The-EU cause beyond exploit his advertising budget and contacts as an Estate Agent who got lucky making considerable money in the heady days when the building societies were chucking their clients money around like drunken sailors using both hands.
Nattrass is frequently on holiday in abrogation of his elected duties either in the Phillipines visiting his daughter or at his villa in Portugal, but it looks like liquidity is running short!

It is even claimed that Mike Nattrass was largely dependent on his partner in Nattrass Giles for his good fortune.

It seems pretty clear that his much publicised donations to UKIP were far more realistic if one accepts they were in fact investments not just in his own ego but in view of the massive returns available to an MEP. It has been much publicised during the period of fulfillment of Nattrass’ ambitions it was a realistic expectation that an MEP would make a personal profit, over and above their costs, of around £1M during one election period.

It is believed by many that Nattrass’ willingness to show just what a fool he is, is shown by his genuine comments as reported in the posting above and the fact that not only has he betrayed the electorate but shown he is without morality or ethics willing to prostitute his reputation to yet another effort to stay on The Gravy Train.

It seems that despite having watched his various businesses steadily collapse Mike Nattrass may well own a high asset value which may well be in trust to his various pension funds it does seem he may be cash poor and need the income – unable to viably sell his assets.

Some believe that Mike Nattrass actually wanted to be re-elected and knew UKIP was moving into irrelevance, as has been shown with their desperate efforts to jump on any passing band wagon or sell out to The Tories for lack of any political relevance or strategy, teamwork, planning or tactics!

It is believed that Nattrass jumped ship from the odious and extremist EFD racist and pro EU membership Group Nigel Farage had conned UKIP into for many of the reasons he quoted, as in the article above. It was only when he realised he just lacked the ability or drive to stay in the headlines and was most clearly seen to be little more than a usefull idiot in Team Sinclaire’s campaign for a referendum and it was clear that the concept was far beyond his political grasp and now we see that the fact he did not EARN the publicity he had hoped for may well be why he has plunged back into the EFD which he so clearly denounced.

I would guess Nattrass lacked even the integrity to tell his colleagues as he negotiated his betrayal; and return to the loathsome EFD – One expects such lack of ethics from UKIP leadership over the years!

I guess having betrayed the referendum and petition he tried to exploit he can at least be praised for investing in a couple of adverts to help his position as a potential candidate but he failed to achieve anything and was clearly hanging onto Team Sinclaire’s coat tails with little personal gain and hence I guess out of self interest he ran back  to The EFD to feather his own nest.

Yet again it is proved that UKIP leadership lack a single individual with any understanding of ethics all of whom support corruption, racism, anti homosexuality and behaviour likely to incite racial hatred – in political terms their greed is contemptible and their betrayal of the peoples of Britain an obscenity.

UKIP lacks a single individual of any merit or value to these United Kingdoms a rabble of back stabbing self serving low lifes – without exception.

UKIP are a major part of the problem and clearly has no place in the solution with their lies, double dealings, thefts, corruption and dishonesty they have brought shame to the body politic in general and damaging embarrassment to EUroScepticism – UKIP are an unprincipled disgrace granting ammunition again and again to the pro EU cause – Hence UKIP’s catastrophic serial failure imn every singel domestic election at a time when the majority of the British people seek leadership to Leave-The-EU.

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UKIP & Racism noting The BNP & EFD Associates

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/12/2012

UKIP & Racism noting The BNP & EFD Associates
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UKIP & Racism:

noting clear affiliation with and exploitation of The BNP & The Pan EU EFD Group which Farage controls and its overt racism and anti homosexual views as associates supported by UKIP!!

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it is interesting to note that like many BNP members, now that The BNP are in disarray arguably even collapse, Michael Barnbrook is bemoaning the fact that he is ‘ostensibly’ not allowed back into the clearly racist (see details of Nigel Farage’s Pan EU Political Group CLICK HERE or Godfrey Bloom’s CLICK HERE – both supported by UKIP and acting as cash cows for Farage & Bloom personally!).
It is also worth noting that UKIP’s claimed rise in support would seem to equate almost totally to the collapse of The BNP’s support when one considers the last dozen or so by-elections!

That UKIP claims not to have members from The BNP is of course complete tosh as will be noted by the fact that Nigel Farage’s own sometime election agent was BNP and as I recall also a NF Regional organiser!

Farage himself is known to have had association with The BNP:

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Nigel Farage meeting with BNP
senior member LeComber &
Alan Sked’s ‘friend’ Deavin!
More recently Nigel Farage’ friend and family long term friend, who Farage placed in UKIP as some sort of minor celebrity ‘Buster Mottram’ was used, dishonestly, by Nigel Farage and his sometime sewer rat Mark Croucher to engineer a faux claim of BNP infiltration when Farage was desperate to remove Drs. Abbott & Edmond scurrilously claiming in his engineered ‘Reichstag Fire Moment’ that they were acting for The BNP when they sought to introduce probity, democracy, integrity and accountability itno the clearly corrupt UKIP NEC!

Whether Dr. Eric Edmond, John West & Dr. David Abbott toolk the right course in trying to clean-up the corruption, racism, anti homosexuality, obfuscation and bullying dishonesty that is so rife in UKIP is a matter of opinion. They did however gain elected office inm the party and seek to act in a democratic manner with integrity and the interests of party members and these United Kingdoms in mind!

Only to find themselves bullied, lied about and out manouvered as with people like Heather Connyngham, Dr. Richard North, Richard Suchorzewski, Niall Warry, Simon Muir, Marcus Stead, Nikki Sinclaire and many other valuable assets before and since, details of many of whom can be found at CLICK HERE.

The quotes below are from a thread on a largely UKIP controlled Forum from a thread started by the self proclaimed ‘Sleazebuster resigns from British National Party

The QUOTES made are extracts from actual correspondence – there has been no deliberate aim to distort but to reassure yourself you are welcome to plough through the originals!

“I realized it was time to go when Mr Griffin picked a foreigner rather than a Londoner to stand as the Mayoral Candidate”.
Regards,
Michael Barnbrook
A really rather clear statement of racism yet he seeks to rejoin UKIP yet they have liars and foreigners selected by Nigel Farage as their MEPs!
“I didn’t want to leave the British National Party, but as a man of integrity and honesty, I could no longer associate myself with an organisation so deeply steeped in allegations of massive fraud and financial wrongdoing”.
Regards,
Michael Barnbrook
This does seem rather a contradiction from a man who in the next breath is boasting of having been in The Met. long enough to work the system and become an Inspector!

The hypocricy is staggering when he is now clamouring to rejoin UKIP, his ambitions in the BNP having it seems been thwarted! What integrity is there in just moving around corrupt organisations for what seems to be personal gain!
Those who find a need to boast of their ‘integrity’ seem to have much in common with those, unable to present an example, who make much of verbalising their claim to be ‘Christians’ often preceding particularly bigotted and unpleasant intolerant behaviour!
The problem with the British National Party is that the personality is bigger than the party.
I have stood in six elections for the British National Party.
Unless or until the British National Party rids itself of Mr Griffin and the bunch of ne’er-do-wells that surround him, the party is going nowhere.
Ask yourself why the people closest to him are of such low intellect or dubious character. Is it to make him stand out as the best of a bad bunch?
Regards,
Michael Barnbrook
Michael Barnbrook may be a fool but he is far from foolish and it is astonishing just how accurately his description of The BNP back in September 2011 relative to its subsequent progress and also how readily the same description fits UKIP with just a small change of names!

These points and many more and the open desire and clear traffic between UKIP and The BNP clearly shows just how indiffensible is UKIP’s claim not to be The BNP in blazers – particularly when you consider the vile racist EFD Group which Farage leads and has bundled UKIP into.

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Racism In Sport, & Extremist Politicians

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 09/10/2012

Racism In Sport, & Extremist Politicians

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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Hi,There is an interesting op-ed in New EUrope today, which can be viewed on line at: CLICK HERE

Racism is a very dangerous word

Article | October 9, 2012 – 9:38am | By Nikki Sinclaire MEP
Chelsea and England footballer John Terry leaves Westminster Magistrates court in London

Chelsea and England footballer John Terry leaves Westminster Magistrates court in London | Chelsea and England footballer John Terry leaves Westminster Magistrates court in London.| AFP PHOTO / WILL OLIVER

Once somebody is labelled as a racist, it is a very difficult tag to get rid of. It is something that clings onto your name in newspaper reports. It is something that tarnishes your reputation as a player. Once again, the subject of racism in football has resurfaced.

Last week saw England’s John Terry fined £220,000 and banned for four matches after being charged with racially abusing QPR’s Anton Ferdinand.

I don’t think anyone disputes that if you are found guilty of racism that you should be punished. However, the English Football Association’s way of punishing people seems rather odd.

Last year Joey Barton was banned for 12 matches for violent conduct, as well as being fined £75,000. Liverpool’s Luis Suarez was found guilty by the FA of racially abusing Patrice Evra, and was suspended for 8 matches and fined £40,000. Back in 2003, Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months and fined £50,000 for missing a drugs test.

Yesterday, former England captain John Terry was found guilty of racially abusing a fellow professional and was banned for 4 matches and fined £220,000.

I’m hoping that it is as apparent to you as it is to me that there simply is no consistency in the punishments that the FA is now using to deal with its players.

Using the above examples, do we then suppose that the FA rates missing a drugs test as a crime which is far greater than racially abusing a fellow player? Is displaying violence on the pitch a crime far greater than using words that are totally unacceptable in our society?

We’re very lucky that in the UK that we live in a society that doesn’t tolerate racism, and we even have initiatives set up and funded by sports clubs, such as the Kick it Out, campaign that reinforce this message.

Racism isn’t tolerated within our football grounds and football in the UK is all the better for it. This is probably what makes the John Terry case all the more surprising. A former England captain is not the sort of person you expect to be embroiled in a case such as this. To even be accused of something such as racism is something which jars with our culture.

As a Liverpool fan, it makes me question why John Terry was banned for just 4 games whilst Suarez got 8. If the FA wants to make a statement about how they deal with racism, then they need to have fixed guidelines of what the ban should be. In fact, if they want to prevent outbursts of this nature and show a real stance against racism, then they should make bans even longer.

The FA need to set the example to the world, as other governing bodies are not strong enough in their punishment of racism.. The Spanish and Russian football federations were both charged by UEFA after their fans were heard to be making racist chants and even monkey noises towards black players. The fine for this offence was just €30,000 and €20,000 respectively.

In 2012, we all like to believe we live in a civilised society. A civilised society does not tolerate behaviour such as this and football needs to kick it out, once and for all.

To which I have replied on their site as follows:

Greg_Lance-Watkins a few seconds ago

Hi,

it is interesting to note just how unjust the concepts of ‘Justice’ are when it comes to racism, Holocaust Denial, anti homosexuality, anti Judaism and the like.

On the one hand we have prison sentences, as with David Irvine, huge but very varied fines, as with footballers, and complete indifference, as with politicians!

Many will have noted that Farage not only has a conviction, for which he and Godfrey Bloom were merely censured, but that he led UKIP and British politicians into the most vile of EU Groups The EFD he leads! The EFD is overtly racist, harbours convicted racial abusers, Holocaust deniers, anti Jewish, anti homosexuals who advocate extremism, abuse and violence in persuit of their evil values.

We eve4n note that Nigel Farage is a leader of this odious extremist group where members of the organisation went as far as to offer some succour to Anders Breivik but I guess with Nigel Farage’s background and links with first The National Front and then The BNP through not only his own family but his own aspirations on can hardly be surprised that he formed the Group and takes no action to censure the apparent incitement to racial and religious hatred, based upon their own prejudices and superstitions, of such as Gerard Batten and Malcolm Lord Pearson – both of whom are well documented as extremists with various pamphlets and videos in support of their odious religious superstitions which denigrate and incite hatred of others whose values differ.

It is sad that no one seems able to either codify the degree of criminality or consistently ignore these issues but offer support from the tax payers on the one hand whilst fining footballers ludicrous sums on the other.

Do we the people have freedom of speech or is it only politicians like Gerard Batten and Malcolm Pearson and their ilk who enjoy such hard won privileges?

It is hardly surprising politicians are held in such contempt when they behave thus! Footballers, bull fighter, boxers, clowns and janglers are not hired for their intellect, their values, their vision or judgement but for their prowess in their field – why then are they made scape goats of as they often come from the background where such prejudices are endemic and represent no one but themselves – Unlike Politicians who have prominence because they were elected or chosen to represent others as leaders and servants, surely it is they who should be the scapegoats.

We have seen how in protecting their in house criminality the police have lost the respect of many amongst the public – similarly we thus have an explanation why politicians are held in such disrepute as they line their pockets and abuse the system at our expense.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

I must say for the record that I am strenuously opposed to racism, overt opposition to the superstitions of others that are deemed within the law, anti homosexuality, anti Judaism and the like and have actively campaigned against theser odious prejudices and those who support the divisive and vile practices.

I am also strenuously opposed to the dishonesty of many who exploit these various prejudices for their own gain as with Zionists who label all discussion of the obscene behaviour of their extremist associates in the Middle East and American politics particularly as anti Semetic – a catch phrase of little meaning as Zionists have so debased it – minded that the Palestine peoples are of course Semites whatever their chosen superstitions or beliefs!
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Greg L-W.
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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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