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Having had better things to do today and having listened in detail to election details until 03:00hrs. as the results came in and subsequently there was little of note to post beyond the facts I posted contemporaneously with the election results as follows in reverse time order:

16 hrs Greg_Lance-Watkins ‏@Greg_LW

But only the gullible & the ill informed believed David Cameron’s idiotic comments about repatriation & renegotiation http://soc.li/qDzi3J
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@politicalhackuk With schools, Hospitals & much more sold off to Private landlords & Public Finances scammed by Labour sadly borrowing rises
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Feb 28 Nikki Sinclaire MEP ‏@NSinclaireMEP

#ukip MEP Godfrey bloom failed to turn up at #eu committee meeting when financial transaction tax passed by one vote! #bbccqt

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For kids watching #bbcqt that are too young to remember cash-for-questions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-for-questions_affair … Hamilton charged £2k per parli. question

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@CorshamResident @IssyTweets @NSinclaireMEP Bright as Niel Hamilton may be his lack of integrity & association with sleaze undermine UKIP
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@chrisshipitv @DPJHodges I do not agree based on track record. Diane James was new, an Independent & distanced from UKIP sleaze & corruption
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@FreebornTrukip @wiffen I appreciate exposing the facts and clear proven truth is rarely popular to those on the make!
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@wiffen Clearly UKIP FAILED to get the message of Leave-The-EU across as their message in Eastleigh but acted as dustbin for protest voters.
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23 hrs Greg_Lance-Watkins ‏@Greg_LW

Tories gagged their EUroSceptic candidate in Eastleigh & no one believes they will deliver a fair Leave-The-EU Referendum losing votes!
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@TheEconomist The Tories have failed to explain the desperate need for greater cuts to survive but Moodies made it clear in rating report!
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Tory vote v. poor but not wipe out (mid term protest) Labour however was disastrous & extrapolated would loose a GE badly.
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LibDim winner in Eastleigh with a collapse of 14% of the vote & 17% turnout with 19% swing vote not to Leave-The-EU UKIP but protest dustbin
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Eastleigh clearly shows Tories failed to convince they will hold a fair referendum & Leave-The-EU & failed to convince they need bigger cuts
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24 hrs Greg_Lance-Watkins ‏@Greg_LW

Eastleigh 52% t/o LibDim 13,342 – UKIP 11,571 – Tory 10,559 – Lab 4,088 thus as I predicted UKIP gained the protest dustbin vote not values
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UKIP clearly failed to get the message of Leave-The-EU across to the electorate in Eastleigh merely using immigration protest fear tactics!
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Eastleigh turnout down by 19% as I predicted UKIP miss out on postal vote even as the protest dustbin vote & get very few votes for policies
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Eastleigh UKIP gain a notable share of protest vote but fail to win based on the postal vote as I predicted. Few votes are for UKIP values!
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UK politics: a wasteland of democracy Friday 1 March 2013 The media are glibly talking of the “humiliation” variously of David Cameron (Independent) and the Conservatives (Telegraph), completely unconscious of the fact that the by-election result represented a humiliating defeat for the political class as a whole. As Your Freedom and Ours points out, people are not turning out to vote for any of the candidates in any numbers. But, when the lead candidate goes to Westminster on the back of 17 percent of the electorate – not even one in five of the voters – that represents a crashing failure of the political class to take the people with them. But then, when we see Clegg stand alongside the new MP and proclaim “we overcame the odds”, while The Times talks of a “stunning” victory, the nature of the problem becomes apparent. The great divide then yawns into a chasm when Lib-Dem party president, Tim Farron, claims: “This is a staggering result … it will be a turning point in this parliament and that we are in a position to win this seat completely changes the narrative of the parliament”. And while the voters delivered a majority of 1,771 for the Lib-Dems, it is interesting to note that aside from the Lib-Lab-Con-UK matrix, there were ten other parties in the field, including the Monster Raving Loony Party, which collectively polled 2,056 votes. Farage talks glibly about the Conservatives “splitting the UKIP vote”, and also hails UKIP’s “strong showing” as a sign of “revulsion” at the three main parties across Britain. But there were over two thousand voters who thought more of the likes of the Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party than they did of his offer. Those votes were sufficient to deprive his candidate of a seat in Parliament. What is thus very, very clear from this result is that the politicians simply haven’t got the message – any more than has the media. They are regarded, collectively, with a mixture of indifference and contempt. Party politics and voting in this country have become a minority preoccupation. The result today, therefore, is not a disaster, per se for Cameron and his Conservatives, as some would have it. It is a disaster for the flawed experiment in representative democracy, another nail in the coffin of a failed system. As for UKIP, the picture remains muddy. Your Freedom and Ours observes that their plan to become the third party after the Lib-Dims has fallen by the wayside by the latter’s victory in Eastleigh. They cannot pretend that they are the second party in the country with no MPs and very few councillors. So, despite the undoubted rejoicing in the UKIP ranks and despite the nauseating plaudits that will be heaped on the Dear Leader, the fact remains: after 20 years and in the most propitious circumstances they remain in no-man’s land. Increasingly though, this is becoming the “no-electors’ land” – a wasteland of democracy. And the politicians can’t even bring themselves to admit it. COMMENT: “EASTLEIGH” THREAD Richard North 01/03/2013
UK politics: Eastleigh by-election Friday 1 March 2013 More than usual hyperventilation has attended this by-election, with some pretty bizarre predictions, even by the rather low standards of British political commentary. For what it is worth, my (private) prediction was that the Lib-dims would romp home, the Tories would come a poor second, Labour third and UKIP would keep their deposit with about seven percent of the vote … all on a very low turnout of 40 percent. But then, I was certainly wrong on the turnout, as early reports put the it at 52 percent. This is higher than I expected although low in contrast to the 69.3 percent cast in the 2010 general election. All the same, no one at the beginning of the count was expecting the earlier tosh about UKIP winning to materialise, although there was still some expectation that UKIP might make second place. As always though, the postal votes were set to play a crucial part, with 14,000 issued, and the Lib-Dems expected to take the lion’s share. Given that most of these votes were in before the latest groping controversy, that vote was expected to be fairly solid. UKIP had to beat Ray Finch’s 2010 performance, when he took 1,933 votes, taking 3.6 percent of the votes cast, losing his deposit. In the 1997 election, the Referendum Party fronted Victor Eldridge and took 2,013, also coming in with 3.6 percent of the votes. Thirteen years had not delivered any appreciable enhancement in eurosceptic sentiment in Eastleigh. The talk though is of UKIP becoming the reservoir of the protest vote, and in particular capitalising on concerns about immigration. And, at just after 2.30 am, the result came through. The Lib-Dems did indeed romp home, coming in with 13,342 votes, against the second comer at 11,571 votes – UKIP. Second place for Farage’s party, nearly a thousand ahead of the Conservatives at 10,599. Labour trails at 4,088 votes. So much for my powers of prediction. Mike Thornton’s vote of 13,342 votes compares with Chris Huhne’s 24,966 in 2010, yet Thornton talks of a Lib-Dem “mandate”, having dragged in a pitiful 32 percent of the votes cast, and 17 percent of the electorate of 78,313. UKIP’s great victory amounts to 28 percent of the votes cast, or 14.8 percent of the electorate. This is a victory of sorts – bald men fighting over a comb, squabbling over a diminishing quantum, where an MP goes to parliament with a “mandate” of 17 percent of the electorate. It never was democracy. Now, it isn’t even representative. COMMENT THREAD Richard North 01/03/2013

UK politics: a wasteland of democracy

Friday 1 March 2013

The media are glibly talking of the “humiliation” variously of David Cameron (Independent) and the Conservatives (Telegraph), completely unconscious of the fact that the by-election result represented a humiliating defeat for the political class as a whole.

As Your Freedom and Ours points out, people are not turning out to vote for any of the candidates in any numbers. But, when the lead candidate goes to Westminster on the back of 17 percent of the electorate – not even one in five of the voters – that represents a crashing failure of the political class to take the people with them.

But then, when we see Clegg stand alongside the new MP and proclaim “we overcame the odds”, while The Times talks of a “stunning” victory, the nature of the problem becomes apparent.

The great divide then yawns into a chasm when Lib-Dem party president, Tim Farron, claims: “This is a staggering result … it will be a turning point in this parliament and that we are in a position to win this seat completely changes the narrative of the parliament”.

And while the voters delivered a majority of 1,771 for the Lib-Dems, it is interesting to note that aside from the Lib-Lab-Con-UK matrix, there were ten other parties in the field, including the Monster Raving Loony Party, which collectively polled 2,056 votes.

Farage talks glibly about the Conservatives “splitting the UKIP vote”, and also hails UKIP’s “strong showing” as a sign of “revulsion” at the three main parties across Britain. But there were over two thousand voters who thought more of the likes of the Beer, Baccy and Crumpet Party than they did of his offer. Those votes were sufficient to deprive his candidate of a seat in Parliament.

What is thus very, very clear from this result is that the politicians simply haven’t got the message – any more than has the media. They are regarded, collectively, with a mixture of indifference and contempt. Party politics and voting in this country have become a minority preoccupation.

The result today, therefore, is not a disaster, per se for Cameron and his Conservatives, as some would have it. It is a disaster for the flawed experiment in representative democracy, another nail in the coffin of a failed system.

As for UKIP, the picture remains muddy. Your Freedom and Ours observes that their plan to become the third party after the Lib-Dims has fallen by the wayside by the latter’s victory in Eastleigh.

They cannot pretend that they are the second party in the country with no MPs and very few councillors. So, despite the undoubted rejoicing in the UKIP ranks and despite the nauseating plaudits that will be heaped on the Dear Leader, the fact remains: after 20 years and in the most propitious circumstances they remain in no-man’s land.

Increasingly though, this is becoming the “no-electors’ land” – a wasteland of democracy. And the politicians can’t even bring themselves to admit it.

COMMENT: “EASTLEIGH” THREAD

Richard North 01/03/2013

UK politics: Eastleigh by-election

Friday 1 March 2013

More than usual hyperventilation has attended this by-election, with some pretty bizarre predictions, even by the rather low standards of British political commentary. For what it is worth, my (private) prediction was that the Lib-dims would romp home, the Tories would come a poor second, Labour third and UKIP would keep their deposit with about seven percent of the vote … all on a very low turnout of 40 percent.

But then, I was certainly wrong on the turnout, as early reports put the it at 52 percent. This is higher than I expected although low in contrast to the 69.3 percent cast in the 2010 general election. All the same, no one at the beginning of the count was expecting the earlier tosh about UKIP winning to materialise, although there was still some expectation that UKIP might make second place.

As always though, the postal votes were set to play a crucial part, with 14,000 issued, and the Lib-Dems expected to take the lion’s share. Given that most of these votes were in before the latest groping controversy, that vote was expected to be fairly solid.

UKIP had to beat Ray Finch’s 2010 performance, when he took 1,933 votes, taking 3.6 percent of the votes cast, losing his deposit. In the 1997 election, the Referendum Party fronted Victor Eldridge and took 2,013, also coming in with 3.6 percent of the votes. Thirteen years had not delivered any appreciable enhancement in eurosceptic sentiment in Eastleigh.

The talk though is of UKIP becoming the reservoir of the protest vote, and in particular capitalising on concerns about immigration.

And, at just after 2.30 am, the result came through. The Lib-Dems did indeed romp home, coming in with 13,342 votes, against the second comer at 11,571 votes – UKIP. Second place for Farage’s party, nearly a thousand ahead of the Conservatives at 10,599. Labour trails at 4,088 votes. So much for my powers of prediction.

Mike Thornton’s vote of 13,342 votes compares with Chris Huhne’s 24,966 in 2010, yet Thornton talks of a Lib-Dem “mandate”, having dragged in a pitiful 32 percent of the votes cast, and 17 percent of the electorate of 78,313. UKIP’s great victory amounts to 28 percent of the votes cast, or 14.8 percent of the electorate.

This is a victory of sorts – bald men fighting over a comb, squabbling over a diminishing quantum, where an MP goes to parliament with a “mandate” of 17 percent of the electorate. It never was democracy. Now, it isn’t even representative.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 01/03/2013

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