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UKIP & Racism noting The BNP & EFD Associates

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/12/2012

UKIP & Racism noting The BNP & EFD Associates
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UKIP & Racism:

noting clear affiliation with and exploitation of The BNP & The Pan EU EFD Group which Farage controls and its overt racism and anti homosexual views as associates supported by UKIP!!

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Hi,
it is interesting to note that like many BNP members, now that The BNP are in disarray arguably even collapse, Michael Barnbrook is bemoaning the fact that he is ‘ostensibly’ not allowed back into the clearly racist (see details of Nigel Farage’s Pan EU Political Group CLICK HERE or Godfrey Bloom’s CLICK HERE – both supported by UKIP and acting as cash cows for Farage & Bloom personally!).
It is also worth noting that UKIP’s claimed rise in support would seem to equate almost totally to the collapse of The BNP’s support when one considers the last dozen or so by-elections!

That UKIP claims not to have members from The BNP is of course complete tosh as will be noted by the fact that Nigel Farage’s own sometime election agent was BNP and as I recall also a NF Regional organiser!

Farage himself is known to have had association with The BNP:

FARAGE, Nigel 37 DEAVIN, Mark - LeCOMBER, Tony
Nigel Farage meeting with BNP
senior member LeComber &
Alan Sked’s ‘friend’ Deavin!
More recently Nigel Farage’ friend and family long term friend, who Farage placed in UKIP as some sort of minor celebrity ‘Buster Mottram’ was used, dishonestly, by Nigel Farage and his sometime sewer rat Mark Croucher to engineer a faux claim of BNP infiltration when Farage was desperate to remove Drs. Abbott & Edmond scurrilously claiming in his engineered ‘Reichstag Fire Moment’ that they were acting for The BNP when they sought to introduce probity, democracy, integrity and accountability itno the clearly corrupt UKIP NEC!

Whether Dr. Eric Edmond, John West & Dr. David Abbott toolk the right course in trying to clean-up the corruption, racism, anti homosexuality, obfuscation and bullying dishonesty that is so rife in UKIP is a matter of opinion. They did however gain elected office inm the party and seek to act in a democratic manner with integrity and the interests of party members and these United Kingdoms in mind!

Only to find themselves bullied, lied about and out manouvered as with people like Heather Connyngham, Dr. Richard North, Richard Suchorzewski, Niall Warry, Simon Muir, Marcus Stead, Nikki Sinclaire and many other valuable assets before and since, details of many of whom can be found at CLICK HERE.

The quotes below are from a thread on a largely UKIP controlled Forum from a thread started by the self proclaimed ‘Sleazebuster resigns from British National Party

The QUOTES made are extracts from actual correspondence – there has been no deliberate aim to distort but to reassure yourself you are welcome to plough through the originals!

“I realized it was time to go when Mr Griffin picked a foreigner rather than a Londoner to stand as the Mayoral Candidate”.
Regards,
Michael Barnbrook
A really rather clear statement of racism yet he seeks to rejoin UKIP yet they have liars and foreigners selected by Nigel Farage as their MEPs!
“I didn’t want to leave the British National Party, but as a man of integrity and honesty, I could no longer associate myself with an organisation so deeply steeped in allegations of massive fraud and financial wrongdoing”.
Regards,
Michael Barnbrook
This does seem rather a contradiction from a man who in the next breath is boasting of having been in The Met. long enough to work the system and become an Inspector!

The hypocricy is staggering when he is now clamouring to rejoin UKIP, his ambitions in the BNP having it seems been thwarted! What integrity is there in just moving around corrupt organisations for what seems to be personal gain!
Those who find a need to boast of their ‘integrity’ seem to have much in common with those, unable to present an example, who make much of verbalising their claim to be ‘Christians’ often preceding particularly bigotted and unpleasant intolerant behaviour!
The problem with the British National Party is that the personality is bigger than the party.
I have stood in six elections for the British National Party.
Unless or until the British National Party rids itself of Mr Griffin and the bunch of ne’er-do-wells that surround him, the party is going nowhere.
Ask yourself why the people closest to him are of such low intellect or dubious character. Is it to make him stand out as the best of a bad bunch?
Regards,
Michael Barnbrook
Michael Barnbrook may be a fool but he is far from foolish and it is astonishing just how accurately his description of The BNP back in September 2011 relative to its subsequent progress and also how readily the same description fits UKIP with just a small change of names!

These points and many more and the open desire and clear traffic between UKIP and The BNP clearly shows just how indiffensible is UKIP’s claim not to be The BNP in blazers – particularly when you consider the vile racist EFD Group which Farage leads and has bundled UKIP into.

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Article 50 revisited!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/11/2012

Article 50 revisited!
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Article 50 revisited! Courtesy of Dr. Richard North, Christopher Booker and further to CLICK HERE!!

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Hi,
my postings and attention have been a little distracted, for which I apologise, as I have taken a few days off to have a heart attack – IF you are interested there are further details on my health blog at: http://greglw.blogspot.co.uk
Back at home I have taken some time in catching up with the vagaries and stupidities of UKIP leadership and their foolish willingness to preen in faux praise like performing monkeys and small children.
So those who wish for a more accurate assessment of recent events may find the articles on UKIP racism, extremism and right wing bigotry at:
http://EUAlliance.blogspot.co.UK
or:
or consider:
CLICK HERE
and those wishing to be informed may wish to consider the press articles and comments on various publications of interest at:
The Essex Press: CLICK HERE Or CLICK HERE
or the Derbyshire press at:
CLICK HERE Or CLICK HERE Or EVEN HERE
Clearly UKIP has had great good fortune in the stupidity and utterly irresponsible behaviour of Social Services at Rotheram which will, in the short term boost UKIP’s candidate Jane Collins far beyond her democratic merits as just another corrupt and undemocratic placement by UKIP leadership, and the time scale of the good fortune is excellent as it permits no time for responsible journalists to actually expose the undeniable dishonesty, corruption and racist associations.UKIP will of course be used, by flattery, as apawn to bring pressure on the government if not embarrassment as it is this level of childish tittle tattle that sells newspapers in a period between elections.

Clearly since we speak of a Yorkshire by election it is worth being minded of the old Yorkshire saying of:
‘The higher up the tree the monkey climbs
The more you see its ‘R’s.’Oh how very true of UKIP leadership who are such simpletons they are to vain to believe they are merely being used – Clearly there is not a wit of danger that someone so irrelevant and corrupted as Jane Collins could be elected so to make much of the situation for column inches and sales is merely journalistic mischief making.

On the more weighty issue of the desire of the common members of UKIP and most of the British peoples to Leave-The-EU the merits of a Referendum, a Royal Commission and Article 50 are of far greater significance than the idiotic and irresponsible behaviour of Farage, Bloom, Batten, Michael Fabricant and the like whilst UKIP’s sole performing monkey of any merit is still Nigel Farage as shown by thwe incompetence of Paul Nuttall in the media or the light weight and incompetent input of UKIP’s spokeswoman on the regional section of Andrew Neill’s programme on Sunday where her irrelevancy and ineptitude is writ large from 40 minutes onwards at: CLICK HERE

I have written on numerous occasions of the importance of Article #50 but permit me the indollence of merely republishing Richard North’s most recent piece on the subjest which makes many of the relevant points and also points out just how crss are those supposedly advising UKIP’s leadership!

EU politics: another modest proposal

Monday 26 November 2012

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On 7 July 2012, Booker raised the issue of Article 50, as a means of withdrawing from the EU. The piece drew a response from “veteran campaigner”, Torquil Dick-Erikson, in the following terms:

Article 50 is a trap: In the typical Napoleonic-state style, with one hand it purports to grant a right, the right to withdraw from the EU, but with the other hand it restricts it, so much so that it reduces it to nothing. The catch, hidden within article 50, lies in the two-year waiting period that a withdrawing state must wait before it can consider itself sovereign once again, if no agreement on the terms of withdrawal is reached with the others.

He was answered (by me) thus:

I would suggest that you have misread the Article. The two year period is a maximum, unless there is an agreed extension. See 50(3):

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

In this instance, Torquil did not respond to the comment. But again, this time on 24 November 2012, Booker raised the issue of Article 50. And we got this from Torquil Dick-Erikson:

What Booker does not deal with here is the fact that Article 50 imposes a forced 2-year waiting period on any State that announces its intention to leave, and that does not wish to supinely accept the terms that the remaining EU would want to impose on it …

Christopher Booker has raised the idea of using article 50 before in his column. And here he is doing so again. I hope that next time he will deal with the issue of the enforced two-year waiting period that is imposed by this article. An imposition that prevents us from conducting negotiations for a new arrangement from the strong position of regained sovereignty.

Again he was answered:

Article 50 does not impose “a forced 2-year waiting period on any State that announces its intention to leave”. The article actually says:

The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

It thus sets a maximum timescale for the negotiations, of two years, which may be extended by mutual consent.

As before, Torquil did not respond to the comment. Instead (and as before), he e-mailed his own comment – and only his comment – to a select group of activists, reinforcing his own view that the only way to leave the EU was to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 – a proposition with which his correspondents completely agree.

My response last time was to note that there is a group of eurosceptics imbued with an absolute determination to fail. To keep the faith, they confine their discussions to themselves, never engaging in debate with anyone outside their circle. However, their malign influence on the likes of UKIP ensures the currency of a policy line – immediate withdrawal from the EU – which hands the game on a platter to the other side.

They offer a strategy guaranteed to maximise the disruption and uncertainty, reinforcing the europhile claims that leaving the EU would be a “disaster”. Under the terms of our eurosceptic clique, it most certainly would be so.

Out problem is that, as long as this self-deceiving rump of eurosceptics maintain their position, the likes of David Cameron can appear entirely reasonable in rejecting the idea of withdrawal. Only if they offered a well-structured exit plan, aimed at minimising disruption, would the eurosceptic doctrine pose a real threat.

There, of course, Mr Cameron has a way of completely neutralising the eurosceptic threat, if he choose to take it. With his very substantial resources, he could devise his own exit plan, couched in such terms as to make it clear that we would no longer be members of the EU, but defining a new relationship that was very litte different from full membership.

That would involve the UK withdrawing from the existing treaties which place our nations in the EU, instead forging a new treaty which would have the UK in alliance with the EU. That would entirely confirm with the traditional British policy towards Europe – interested but not absorbed.

Currently, in the pages of the Independent, Tory MP Michael Fabricant advises Mr Cameron to do a deal with UKIP. He should, the Conservative vice-chairman says, set out plans for a referendum on EU membership in exchange for UKIP not standing in the next general election.

On the other hand, there is no need for a referendum. Instead, Cameron could invoke Article 50, offering precisely the “new relationship” with the EU which he professes to want. This would bury UKIP completely. A Conservative Party, genuinely seeking a new settlement with “Europe” would leave Farage and his not-as-merry-men completely stranded, electorally isolated with nowhere to go.

However, there is another, perhaps more important reason why Cameron should take this line. Apart from the electoral advantages, which could guarantee him victory at the next general election, the constant bickering over EU membership is a dangerous distraction from the business of government. In order to focus on the issues at hand, this issue needs to be settled – and it will not go away of its own accord.

Invoking Article 50 and negotiating a new relationship with the EU is entirely compatible with Conservative Party policy, and with Mr Cameron’s personal aspirations. The fact that it is an option so hated by the eurosceptic groupescules could be taken as a bonus.

Richard North 26/11/2012

IF you wish for further direct comment on the issues surrounding Article 50 you may follow up at CLICK HERE
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Greg_L-W..

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UKIP Election Results Catastrophic – Independents 12 : UKIP 0

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/11/2012

UKIP Election Results Catastrophic – Independents 12 : UKIP 0TITLE
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UKIP Election Results in PCC Debacle AND by elections of 15-Nov-2012 were undeniably Catastrophic – Even Independents gained 12 seats whilst UKIP lived down to pragmatic expectaion and scored ZERO losing the majority of their 44 deposits!

A cruel blow for those who have been so unprofessionally misled by the self serving Farage cult, unaware of the damage they do to the credibility of EUroScepticism!!

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by way of reflection on the catasrophic UKIP results in the various elections held on Thursday 15-Nov-2012 you may find this comment posted on Dr. Eric Edmond’s blog of interest:
for those of us supporting the core principles of UKIP we were again let down by unprofessional leadership, incompetent planning, undemocratic selection of candidates & the normal crass stupidity.

In Corby the result was a risible 14% getting nowhere near being elected despite all the money spent and the idiotic over egging of expectations.

Just how did UKIP think they would get a candidate elected when foisting on the electorate who only vote UKIP as a dustbin for their protest votes and a few willing to hold their noses as they vote to Leave-The-EU.

Just how were they likely to gain votes with an EU lobbyist lately from another party who quite clearly is a political prostitute seeking a way onto the gravy train by raising her profile to be an acceptable Farage placement on the MEP candidate list in 18 months time.

Farage’s placements to be announced at the last minute to ensure democratic choice of members can’t creep in!

Similarly we note Godfrey Blooms wife’s sometime business partner Jane Collins peddling that historic picture of herself (a stunt best known in UKIP as having been used by Janet Girsman and copied by Marion Mason – Derek Clark also uses a similar stunt by using a picture in which he is awake!)

UKIP’s results in the PCC farce were even worse!

Out of 193 candidates for 41 places of over paid & irrelevant party hacks the people spoke loud and clear!

The turnout was the people speaking louder than ever since WWII with 84% totally rejecting the concept of PCCs – Politicians said PCCs would be the voice of the people and what a shock when they heard that voice!

UKIP did particularly badly with not a single candidate rising above the voter rejection in an election where there was every hope they might do well but they failed to field a single solitary credible candidate.

In an election where exposure would seem to have been the key one would have expected Godfrey Bloom to do better than being beaten into 4th. place as I would hazard a guess he has exposed himself more than most – even being banned from hotel chains for exposing himself to urinate in plant pots and arrested for exposing himself copulating with a black prostitute on the bonnet of a car on the public highway we are informed!

A few of us were attacked and ridiculed for our belief that Independent candidates were the future when we set up ‘Independent Leave-The-EU Alliance’ – though clearly we were ahead of our time and under funded our point is made.

In the PCC elections the score was, out of 41, Independents 12 UKIP ZERO.

The abject failure of leadership, risible lack of professionalism, odious corruption and endless pandering to cronies and squabbling with the racist and anti homosexual stance that has led to so much in fighting and back stabbing UKIP has totally let down its core electors and has very clearly failed as a concept.

20 years and they have achieved so very little with less than 30 elected seats of ANY note out of the 19,500 seats available by election!

UKIP keeps making complete fools of themselves with its blow hard clowns pronouncing how well they will do (we heard it in the last election, Barnsley, Corby, PCC, Buckingham elections etc. etc.)

UKIP even make the risible claim they ARE the 3rd. party in British politics when councillors & overseas seats included they have ZERO MPs and less than 30 total whilst even the increasingly unpopular and utterly odious LibDims have over 50 MPs – Whast planet do UKIP leadership live on or are they always drunk!

I know Farage especially employs fools to make him look competent and to praise him but surely he can not believe the drivel he has paid these low grade ingrates to feed him! Next he will have Praise Singers and Jesters (woops I forgot Annabelle Fuller, Mark Croucher, Gawain Towler, Gerard Batten, Derek Clark, Michael Heaver, Douglas Denny, Mick McGough etc. all queued up in their chicken costumes with their inflatable bulldozers and museum military toys, all willing to lie, defame, cheat and dissemble to enhance their rewards!)

Yes Farage as leader of the cult was quite good on Question Time having had 20 years practice as UKIP’s sole spokesman – though clearly he & his hirelings have failed to convince, even when they tell the truth, being slapped down with ease when pointing out that when the EU makes over 75% of our laws & has a bigger bureaucracy than China clearly they ARE responsible for the ills of this country and much else beyond our borders.

UKIP as a Farage cult have proved beyond all doubt the British public don’t trust them with their vote.

I remind you when even the Greens have an MP and the treacherous LibDims have some 50 UKIP has ZERO.

Do not forget in the PCC election UKIP ZERO Independents 12.

Do remember that out of 19,500 seats available by election UKIP after 20 years of utterly incompetent leadership and crass unprofessionalism has failed to get 30 seats of any meaning.

UKIP have become also rans competing with other non entities amongst which are Greens, LibDims, Robin Tilbrook, Plaid and the BNP!

The betrayal by UKIP has been near total! A fact I greatly regret as had they been competent, honest and professionalised they just might have been leading us out of the EU by now – sadly there is no hope of them having a place of any note when we Leave-The-EU with UKIP running along behind desperately trying to jump on the band wagon.

Clearly there are merits to the concept of Independent candidates and IF democracy is to survive, and I dearly hope it does in some form representing people’s wishes and not just politicians ambitions, Independents will and must inevitably rise.

With greater ability for electronic participation the arcane concept of a clique of self serving political party hacks gathering in some foetid chamber are all but over.

With video linking, video conferencing and the added advantage of electronic briefing papers a far greater number of participants and scrutiny can take place and more detailed and immediate voting.

The days of a self serving political elite being free to travel and milk their expenses and libidos in distant cities are near over!

Independents with rated input will present the outlines, facts, details and summaries for debate amongst Independent participants for eventual mass voting.

 

The political parties of today and yesteryear will be no more than a smudge in history books noted for the arcane and unpleasant manner of their life styles and their corruption.

There will be no Tory or Labour Party and LibDims will be long gone (following their present trend) where UKIP never arrived and the odious nature of the lies and distortions of Greens, SNP, Plaid and socialism with its State Broadcasting for perceived central propaganda – ALL swept away.

I am proud that with Niall Warry, Peter Underwood and the support of others I was in the vanguard of the Independent movement which is starting to emerge – I am only sad that some of the hard working supporters of UKIP lacked the foresight and courage to join with us to Leave-The-EU and were too bound up in the unarguably corrupt and unprofessional Farage cult of yesteryear and that so much energy has been wasted supporting the careers of the self serving political elite.

 

Energy that could have been put into building a better tomorrow.

Energy that is being well used by such as Team Sinclair of ‘We Demand A Referendum Party’ and Dr. Richard North, Niall Warry and their Harrogate Agenda movement which meets again in Leamington today – would that I had the health to attend but unfortunately a spin off of the massive treatments and cancer I have had over the last 14+years is insomnia and a tendency to narcolepsy making travel non viable!

I am however only too happy to debate the issues with anyone who cares to and present the issues at any meeting within about a 30 > 40 mile radius of home!

I am also happy to put my case and defend my opinions and statements which would help to add to the assurance that my blogs are open to comment and founded on clear efforts to ensure accuracy and honesty see CLICK HERE

Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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UKIP: Missing Targets – Farage has learned little!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/11/2012

UKIP: Missing Targets – Farage has learned little!

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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UKIP: missing targets

Richard North, 01/11/2012


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The Northern Echo has today an interview with one of my least-favourite persons, the egregious Nigel Farage – celebrating his recent visit to Newcastle upon Tyne in an article entitled: “Setting targets”.

Generally speaking, I actually tend to write less about Farage than I should – in deference to the many active UKIP members, who have their hearts in the right place, and who deserve better than the lacklustre Party leadership with which they are saddled. My basic premise here is that if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all.

However, I should not resist commenting on Farage’s plans (or lack of them) for the 2015 General Election, as revealed in the article. Says Farage to Northern Echo reporter Mark Tellentire, “The pace of change over the past two years has been so great, it is difficult for me to see exactly where we are going to be in 2015”.

So far, that is fair enough but, if Farage has been qoted correctly, he then goes on to say: “But if the Conservative and Labour leaderships decide they will ignore Ukip’s messages, then goodness knows what we can do”.

In commenting on this, one could easy become prey to accusation of taking it out of context, but the thrust of his what he says fits with the way Farage thinks and thus the way UKIP behaves. The point, thus, is that any proper political party would be addressing its “messages” to the voting public, for it is they whom they need if they are to get a sniff of power and the insides of ministerial limousines.

But young Mr Farage speaks of Ukip’s messages not to the people but, “to the Conservative and Labour leaderships”. There, we get a brief glimpse into the very soul of UKIP – it is not a political party. It started off its life as a pressure group, and that – under the leadership of Farage – is what it remains today.

Sadly though, the Conservative and Labour leadership will decide to ignore Ukip’s messages, and thence we get the highly revealing glimpse into Farage’s soul: when they do, as they have always done, he doesn’t know what to do.

Ten years ago when, every month, I used to sit across a desk from him, in our office in Strasbourg, he didn’t know what to do – other than stand for any and every passing election. Now despite his publicity describing him as “Britain’s most charismatic, plain-speaking politician”, he still doesn’t know what to do.

Coming to Newcastle, therefore, was not the right thing for Farage to do. He is not the first politician to have done so and foundered. But at least his predecessors had some ideas. He has none of any worth.

The only way he survives, of course, is because his political rivals are equally bereft. But the people of Newcastle – if they hold true to their political traditions – will be unimpressed. In olden days, he would have gone away empty-handed. That may still happen. The Northeast remains the only English region without a Ukip MEP.

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Nigel Farage is far from being the only self important politician exposed as inadequate – merely the most obvious perhaps!
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What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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North & The Spectator on a ‘Floundering Farage’ & UKIP

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it is interesting to note just howmany people in their condemnation of a referendumand its risks so consistently fail to show that there is a methodology to improve the fairness of such referendum.A Referendum will be lost if taken in narrow isolation – I have little doubt of that.

We must always ensure that any referendum is held AFTER a Royal Commission is held, which will be charged with not just a cost benefit study of our membership of The EU and of our leaving with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘.

I am sufficiently certain that a Royal Commission would act responsibly to inform the electorate in detail for a full, fair, evenly funded and evenly promoted referendum that I am happy to say that in its Exit & Survival Strategy it will surely promote the strategy of use of Article 50 as our strategy for exit.

The idiocy of permitting a referendum on government terms without a Royal Commission and with no sound Exit & Survival Strategy disregarding Article 50 would be crass, suicidal and irresponsible.

That we have a need for an Harrogate Agenda or similar is just as indesputable as to move on using the 19th. century style of governance into the 21st. Century will merely lead to the next foolish scam or social engineering as with the oh so arcane, undemocratic and Victorian style concepts of The EU.

Consider, in your study of the concepts and to add balance Richard North’s comments which follow, comments which I incline to support in the context of overlooking the details I have annotated so far:


 EU Referendum: foundering Farage

Saturday 22 September 2012

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“I think we’ve proved that we are a serious party that cares about a lot more than just Europe”, says Harold James, an active UKIP member from Weston-super-Mare, veteran of nine conferences.

Predictably, though, the Spectator is less than impressed, accusing a “Floundering Farage” of struggling a little once “away from his hobby horse of a European Union Referendum”. But, had the magazine been on the ball, it could have observed that Farage was struggling even when riding his hobby horse.

That is the only conclusion one can draw from his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet. His knowledge about the mechanics if the EU was always slight, but in this production he demonstrates that he has not added significantly to his knowledge in the ten years since I worked across a desk from him.

If this was simply a matter of a vainglorious party leader doing what politicians so often do – displaying his ignorance – it would not matter so much. But, as even the Spectator concedes, we are almost certainly looking at a referendum in the not too distant future.

Rigged though it may be – and we could hardly expect otherwise – I have to believe that this referendum is winnable, and that we can successfully deliver a “withdraw from the EU” message to our masters. With contributions such as Farage’s, though, we are set to lose.

To understand why, it is helpful to go back to the debate we were having on Article 50, where we argued that we need to take advantage of the negotiation process offered to draw up a relationship with the EU before finally cutting the knot.

Amongst those who disagreed with this stance was Nigel Farage, one of many who believe that we can unilaterally abrogate the treaties and then expect the “colleagues” to sit down and negotiate with us, without there being any penalty from such action.

Until now, quite how Farage managed to believe that this could be a penalty-free option has escaped me. But, if it is his settled belief that a free trade area can be set up with “a blank piece of paper“, then it is unsurprising that he sets such little store on negotiation – there is only a blank sheet of paper to agree. And that attitude is what is going to lose us the referendum.

The reason why this will happen is because Farage and his supporters are preparing, in an utterly cavalier fashion, to ditch the “single market”, that iconic property which legend has it was breathed into life by the Dragon Queen herself, Margaret Thatcher.

Yet, examine David Cameron’s rhetoric on the European Union and you will notice the emphasis is almost entirely on preserving this mythical beast. To threaten it with extinction is to invite unrestrained enmity from the entire Tory tribe and give hostage to fortune to the other side.

And that is only part of it. The “single market” effectively comprises a huge body of EU law – directives, regulations and decisions – alongside thousands of meticulously crafted standards, which together binds the corporate world and protects it from the cold winds of competition, mainly from small and medium businesses.

Anyone who believes that big business doesn’t like regulation simply knows nothing about big business. As noted in our forum, “complex regulatory structures are a significant barrier to entry, and dominant firms that can afford large compliance departments often lobby for such regulation which prevents the entry of upstart firms”.

And, in their enthusiasm for more and more law, the corporates are the natural partners to the EU. If their precious body of law is threatened by a “no” vote in a referendum, they will pour massive funding into any “yes” campaign.

The best we can possibly hope for from the corporates is their neutrality, which could only be secured – of at all – by assurances that their “single market” is kept intact.

On the other hand, the genius of the EU is the way it has hijacked trade regulation and harnessed it in the service of political integration. In promoting our exit from the EU, therefore, we have to detach the corpus of standards and trade agreements from the community acquis and give it an independent identity.

This, to my mind, is one of the greatest challenges confronting the “outers” in any referendum campaign. It is also one I believe we can deal with by negotiating continued EEA membership – thus keeping the single market intact for at the very least a transitional period, while we sort out better, long-term arrangements.

Whatever might actually be decided though, we cannot afford to ignore the single market, or the rent-seekers who gain so much benefit from it. Allowing a “floundering Farage” to set the pace here would then be to invite a foundering campaign. Protect the single market, or we lose.

COMMENT: “FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT” THREAD

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 EU Referendum: fighting the good fight

Saturday 22 September 2012

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There is a joke amongst economists, Nigel Farage tells us in his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet, that a real free trade agreement can be illustrated by holding up a blank piece of paper.

That, he avers, is because if trade is genuinely free, there are no regulations to follow or tariffs to pay but business people and traders can get on without hindrance or interference in doing business and creating wealth.

Thus, in principle, we are told, “to create a single market or free trade area is incredibly easy if you know what you are doing and think it through. It merely requires an absence of restriction, most easily achieved by the progressive – or instant – dismantling and removal of all existing barriers and tariffs”.

Unfortunately, a regulation-free market is neither desirable nor acceptable, and if this presented as UKIP’s objective for Britain once we leave the EU, it will simply invite the hostility (and derision) of those who understand why much of the regulation at present in force must remain.

One can, or course, make a case of the removal of tariffs and also non-tariff barriers, but it is important to realise how important well-crafted regulation is to international trade.

This can be well illustrated addressing the problems of a banana importer, based in London, buying from growers everywhere in the world to supply wholesale and retail customers throughout Europe.

In the nature of things, the quality of the product will vary and with it price. It has thus long been the sensible habit of shippers to use grading schemes – a common language between buyer and seller – so that the nature of any transaction is fully understood.

This does make sense. Our putative buyer, who might decide to purchase a load from Jamaica, may wish to order Grade A bananas, sight unseen. And, as long as an agreed grading scheme is applied, he will know exactly what to expect for his money.

There could be problems, though, if he wished to buy Grade A bananas from Costa Rica and that country operated a different grading scheme. National authorities in some countries could even give their exporters a price advantage by setting more relaxed standards, while still allowing produce to be called Grade A, to the detriment of buyer and consumer.

More complications arise if different consumer countries dictate their own specific standards, thus leaving our putative importer being able to buy produce from one country which he can then sell in some countries but not others. Thus, each country having different standards – whether producer or consumer – is a recipe for chaos.

On that basis, it makes absolute sense to have international standards.for commodities which are traded internationally. And for them to work, they must be common standards that are known and recognised by buyers and sellers alike.

Such standards are not in any way a restraint on trade – quite the reverse. When properly and sensitively crafted, they facilitate trade and are seen, overall, as beneficial. As such, they are a necessary precursor to free trade. Clearly, that applies here with South African bananas.

This being the case, it is unsurprising that many commodity standards pre-date EU regulations. In fact, much of the current EU legislation for agricultural produce is based on a British model developed long before we joined the EEC. Even in the land of the free, the United States, agricultural produce for inter-state commerce was being regulated as early as 1880.

Nor is it a surprise that much regulation is actively sought after by the trade itself. Take meat safety, for instance. Few people realise that official inspection did not become compulsory in this country until 1963 yet, for decades before that, producers had voluntarily paid for inspection as a measure to improve consumer confidence in their products.

And when, in 1964, the Six in the then EEC imposed mandatory inspection of imported meat, to be carried out at the point of slaughter, the system was based on a regime developed by the British. It had been imposed in response to the Aberdeen typhoid outbreak, which had been linked to Argentinean corned beef, again to promote confidence in international trade.

The important thing, therefore, is not the absence of regulation, but the right sort of regulation – sufficient for the purpose and not too onerous – applied only where it is needed. Where the EU most often went wrong was (and is) in applying export standards to internal trade or – where grading regulations was applied – prohibiting trade in ungraded produce. 

 
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To an extent, this is being addressed, with the EU progressively relaxing standards (allowing misshapen fruit and vegetables), so some of the the issues that Farage raise in his pamphlet have less force anyway.

That aside, regulation does not only apply to goods, but also services such as air travel. Here for instance, if we look at requirements for commercial aviation, we see minimum regulations applied to the equipment required by airliners to enable them to land in reduced visibility conditions.

Knowing Farage’s intimate acquaintance with aviation safety, one suspects he would not want to see such regulations removed or weakened. Would he really be happy with a blank piece of paper when it came to his flying to Strasbourg to pick up his expenses?

Thus, the real issue is that, even if reduced, a huge tranche of trade regulation will remain. It cannot be wished away. We thus have to find a way of dealing with the continuing process of adding, modifying and adapting trade regulations while outside the EU yet still trading with its member states.

In this context, to pretend that we can live without trade regulation is not helpful to the cause. We need more sophisticated arguments to carry the doubters, coming up with real world solutions that demonstrate our understanding of the realities of modern international trade. Farage’s fluff simply isn’t good enough.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU referendum: delaying the inevitable

Friday 21 September 2012

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Farage put his finger on the Cameron dilemma this morning, pointing to the Conservative leader’s credibility gap when it comes to promising a referendum.

Talking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, he said that he would only consider making a deal if it was “written in blood” that there would be a[n in-out] referendum on Britiain’s EU membership.

What was not raised though – not here or in an earlier programme – is how different the political landscape will look in 2014 when the euro-elections are due to be held. Thus, although Farage consistently claims rising support for his party, he and his followers may be disappointed when it comes to the elections.

Not least, the much lauded poll ratings consistently fail to materialise as votes in real elections.

For instance, in one recent council by-election, Canterbury City – Blean Fores, the Conservatives took 342, Labour 185, Lib-Dem 121, Green 64, UKIP 38 and Independent 24. Cornwall County – St Keverne and Meneage, had the Tories on 585, Lib-Dems 279, UKIP 141 and Labour increasing to 52 (from 33 in June 2009). Scarborough Borough – Esk Valley gave the Tories 606 votes, Independent 151 (down from 417 in May 2011), Labour 87 and UKIP 35.

So consistent is this experience that one can discount the UKIP election hyperbole. And, to make matters worse, there is recently another factor in play. As the Independent reports, in all the recent by-elections, both Labour and Conservatives scored “landslide gains” at the expense of independents.

We may thus be seeing precisely that which we have seen in Germany and in the recent Dutch elections – the classic small-party squeeze, which is so often apparent when times are uncertain. And where the UK election is shaping up for a battle between two unpopular personalities, perversely, that tendency might be accentuated.

In recent years, however, the euro-elections have obeyed their own rules, and Farage might confidently expect a good showing for UKIP in 2014. But again there is another factor at play: Barroso has committed to publishing proposals for a new treaty before the euro-elections. With the commission president determined to make this an EU election issue, electioneering could be sufficiently transformed to make it mainstream – to the detriment of UKIP.

With Cameron planning a major speech on European policy next month, he may well take the opportunity then to commit to a referendum, contingent or renegotiations arising out of the treaty process, essentially marginalising UKIP and its pretender, the “We demand a referendum” party.

Here, the Conservatives are in a much stronger position, as polls on EU sentiment tend to show that the renegotiation option (however unrealistic) is popular with the voters, and Cameron can rely on the “referendum lock” to demonstrate his good faith. He does not need to make a promise “written in blood”, he may say, when it is written into an Act of Parliament.

This does not stop speculation elsewhere about electoral pacts with UKIP, from the usual ill-informed suspects, who currently don’t seem to understand that the chances of a referendum before 2016 are slight. In all probability, we are looking at 2017 or beyond.

Those, like Nikki Sinclair’s little party – which has dreams of a referendum in 2014 – clearly fail to realise that Cameron can use for an alibi, active engagement in EU negotiations. No sensible person could expect a referendum while negotiations are still in progress.

To that extent, also, the Tory europlastics are beginning to outflank the “outers”. Knowing that renegotiation is more popular with the public than the straight “out” option, they have concentrated their firepower where success is most likely. That could well leave Farage and his supporters stranded, being faced with fighting a referendum in the distant future for which they are singularly ill-prepared.

The “outer” fraternity thus looks doomed to get what it wished for. And unless Farage stops whingeing about how the contest might be rigged, and starts working out how to win the referendum we’re going to get, rather than the one UKIP wants, the wish granted could prove his nemesis.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012


 Politics: another one doesn’t get it

Friday 21 September 2012

Lamenting the decline of political parties, a Failygraph hack still believes there is a remedy. “The answer is fairly simple”, he writes, “To recover, political leaders need to come up with radical and original ideas that enough people think are worth supporting”. The man simply doesn’t get it. If they could have done so, they would already have done so. They cannot, because it is not in their nature. But, if you want radical and original ideas, they are there, in the Harrogate Agenda. And that rather illustrates why political parties must continue declining – together with their cheerleaders in the media.

However, not all is lost. The man at least understands that we are now the mainstream. “No matter who wins the next election, it is likely that abstainers will outnumber those voting for the winning party”, he writes. But that has been the case for a long time. Why is it taking them so long to realise? 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012



 EU referendum: strategy is the problem

Thursday 20 September 2012

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In a well-judged intervention, Cranmer tells us that the Eurosceptic “movement” (if it be) is fundamentally a clash of gargantuan egos, none of whom will deign to co-operate or collaborate with their co-eurosceptics, principally out of a lack of trust, belief or respect.

So, His Grace tells us, with a referendum on the next EU treaty looming – and, as sure as night follows day, it is coming – please don’t expect political coherence or campaigning strategy from the Conservatives, UKIP, the Democracy Movement, the Campaign for United Kingdom Conservatism, Better off Out, Campaign for an Independent Britain, the Freedom Association, or the Liberty League.

Frankly, he says, you have more hope of persuading a Wahhabi Sunni to sup with an Ahmadiyyan and plant the cornerstone of a new mosque. If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand: the referendum may already be lost.

Hesitant as one is to disagree with His Grace, one has to say that he is wrong. This is not a matter of egos, gargantuan or otherwise, but of strategy. Egos we could cope with. The more profound differences over strategy are far more problematical.

Courtesy of Witterings from Witney, we see demonstrated precisely the point in the recent adjournment debate led by Tory MP Andrea Leadsom.

This is a woman who is determined that we should “renegotiate our EU membership – to remain within the EU but to have our absolutely best attempt at renegotiating a relationship that works for Britain, with full and free access to all EU assets, but without being hampered in a global world by EU regulation”. What she wants, she tells us, is “fundamental reform”.

No red-blooded eurosceptic could begin to agree with such a europlastic view, but within the debate there was also David Nuttall, Tory MP for Bury North. As chairman of the Lords and Commons “Better Off Out” group, he wants us to repatriate all powers from the EU.

We would have no difficulty in accepting this desirable objective, except that Nuttall does not think we are likely to be given the choice of an in-out referendum. He thinks we are more likely to get an in/in referendum: the choice of the status quo – staying in as we are now or staying in with 17/20, 18/20 or 19/20 of the status quo and repatriating a few powers.

The trouble is, as Leadsom points out, while a July 2012 YouGov survey had 48 percent wanting to pull out and 31 percent wanting to stay in the EU, if a new deal was renegotiated, the poll suggests that people would vote in a completely different way. Most – 42-34 percent – would vote to stay in the EU.

This is the eurosceptic nightmare: a referendum offering not the in-out option but the “reform-out” option. This would be very hard to win. Strategy becomes absolutely vital.

Then, as WfW reminds us, there is the Lilley point: during a referendum campaign, on average there is a 17 percent swing back in favour of the status quo. This means it is necessary to start with a 34 percent lead for change to have a 50 percent chance of winning. Starting with roughly half of people being in favour of leaving and a third in favour of staying would result in a vote to remain in the EU.

Problematically, though, our people are not thinking strategically. Under these circumstances, the Minford idea of unilateral withdrawal, followed by negotiation, would be a disaster. The uncertainties would drive voters into the EU camp.

Yet, despite the potential for disaster, this is the preferred UKIP option, and the guardians of the message are quick to stamp on dissident thought. There is no debate in this “outer” fraternity. You either conform with the approved message or you are consigned to outer darkness as a “traitor”. 

 
Nor is there any recognition of the “Stokes precept”, from Richard Stokes, the Labour MP for Ipswich, who on 15 October 1940 told the House of Commons in a debate on war aims that it “… is no use fighting for a negative object. You must have a positive one, and the sooner that [is] stated the better”. To gain a broader acceptance from the majority of the population that we should leave the EU, we must be able to offer a positive object. Simply to fight on the negative one of leaving the EU is not enough. And just to argue for a referendum, without the first idea of how you would win it, is suicide.

Those who refuse to accept this, who robustly argue simply for unilateral withdrawal and expect the nation to rally to that cause, are part of the problem – as much as those like Leadsom, who are arguing for “fundamental reform”. Egos really don’t matter. It cannot be emphasised enough that what counts is strategy.

Sadly, while the old saw, “divided we fall” may be true, uniting behind the wrong strategy could be just as fatal. We thus face the prospect of “united we fall, divided we fall”. Even so, there is time yet to mend our ways. We should take the opportunity while we can, if we can.

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Thoughts on a way forward to Leave-The-EU

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as Dr. Richard North knows better than most: UKIP have absolutely no intellectual bottom!

UKIP in 20 years has NEVER had any kind of training program and is endlessly reactive with clearly no vision, no sign of Strategy EVER and notably no tactics.

One only needs to note the racist, xenophobic, criminal, anti Jewish, anti Islamic, anti homosexual links and track record of UKIP to realise they currently offer no part of the solution and have largely befouled and discreditted the EUroSceptic movement – is it any wonder that in terms of British politics UKIP have been a spectacular failure with under 30 people elected to any office of note out of some 19,500 available seats!

It really doesn’t matter what the polls say when very clearly the Ballot Boxes in real elections averages out between 3 > 6% – This places UKIP no closer to a say of ANY consequence at Westminster tyhan in 1993 when alan Sked founded the party.

Subsequent to getting 12 people on the gravy train in 2004 it is hard to identify a single solitary example of an achievement of any note towards the aim of Leave-The-EU – Just what is UKIP for? Beyond of course a small clique’s enrichment and a route to the gravy train for a small claque!

It is all very well for a few elderly men to hang onto their ill informed beliefs and the concept that EUroScepticism is some sort of hobby for their dotage!

The attacks and abuse from UKIP that is poured on the heads of anyone who dares to rattle their grubby little scams is legendary.

Yet again Richard and others have fallen foul of the thought police in UKIP who in their blinkered ignorance listen in adulation to their leader’s 3 cheeky chappie speaches and glib invention of policy on the hoof now that he has engineered a position of dictatorship in his personalised party, for lack of anyone of any consequence, competence or gravitas ever challenging him.

We who truly seek better governanance and an end to Britain’s membership of The EU must move on leaving UKIP behind in its sordid group of extremists, racists and pro EU reform rather than withdrawal of The EFD Group Farage has gathered to make more money!

The Harrogate Agenda is at least thinking about the problems and debating with a view to a way forward – on UKIP’s growth pattern over 20 years it will be at least 100 years before they could ever clearly be in a position of relevance towards the aim of Leave-The-EU or even seriously influence it!

There is a desperate need for a Harrogate Agenda or similar, a need for political thinking, a need for a very clear exiit and survival strategy relative to The EU. Britain has between 7 & 9 days of food supply and after that all food imports are a matter of EU contracts, it would not be possible to make a single international phone call after leaving The EU and France owns 80% of our power supply – It is not some childish concept of pass a paving bill to revoke The ECA and revoke our signature to The Treaty of Rome and its subsequent amendments.

Exit from The EU is only possible through implementation of the terms in the treaties our political elite have stitched us into. Simplistic revocation of our undertakings are bound under The Treaty of Vienna and international laws of consequence rather than the dictum of The EU – Just as The WTO’s consequential relevance is the style of implement we shall have to invoke to set aside any efforts of The EU to restrict Britain’s trade when we Leave-The-EU.

So may I suggest, since UKIP has no vision, plan, strategy or gravitas Press on with The Harrogate Agenda & ANY oportunity for serious debate – perhaps heaven forefend UKIP just might make some efforts to act with some integrity and intelligent debate rather than ‘defending their seats on the gravy train’ with any form of defamatory attack they can make on any true EUroRealist who dares to seek to point out that UKIP has proved it is unfit for purpose in its present state of amateurism and sham clearly aiding The EU in maintaining control of these United Kingdoms against the will of a clear majority of British peoples.

Good luck to Richard and those like him who seek to work towards a solution through debate and rigorous appraisal perhaps The Harrogate Agenda will be the vehicle for progress to change our governance – perhaps just one of the wheels on which that vehicle advances.

IF we fail to change our method of governance then even when we Leave-the-EU we will merely slide into the next political scam that rewards politicians with massive bribes from the public purse made up from the disproportionate taxes levied on their victims.

This is not about You or I nor about enrichment and jobs – this is about us and the future of our peoples, our values and our principles the future of our children and grandchildren in freedom and dignity, stability and self respect.

Thank you to all who have set their egos and agendas aside to debate what will hopefully deliver what we had all hoped UKIP would but which they clearly failed to.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Perhaps as a starting point some may wish to consider:
1. Surely the 6 Point (Harrogate Agenda) should be THE 6 rights of ‘We the people: one people Under Law…’

2. The 6 rights should be headings for 6 or maybe more detailed rights within each sub section can be a method of enhancing, repealing or improving by referendum on a clearly defined & structured basis with defined required majorities for change.

2. The 6 rights should thus be the foundation of OUR ‘Declaration of Rights’ once adopted it can become ‘The Citizen’s Rights’. Note the apostrophe they become the inalienable rights of any one citizen of these United Kingdoms.

3. The Citizens’ Rights must include the expectation of the rights of those that serve them.

THEN:

We move on to how The Citizen’s Rights are incorporated into law under a Constitution of and for these United Kingdoms and its peoples.

I would contend that though, as has been stated, our system is indubitably, if we consider such Constitution and rights as they now stand, FUBAR but worse than that due to abuse – be that the idiotic stance of those seeking what they claim to be doubly entrenched law under such constitution as with Act of Settlement or Magna Carta we now find they have been so abused over the years by a devious ‘political class’ seeing itself as an elite as to be considerably more a case of being FUBAR BUNDY!

I contend we must not presume to plant a fully grown oak tree but rather an acorn.

The progress of that acorn and the degree of care in its nurture will determine the health, strength and durability of the eventual oak but we must not too greatly define it or we become in danger of having a stylised bonsai of little use to ‘We the peeople etc. …’

In brief first we must define the 6 core headings.

In my humble opinion – then the rest will fall into place.

6 core headings which will form our acorn and as I have just proved brevity is harder to achieve than precis ;-(

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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For those who are genuinely interested in a way forward may I suggest see CLICK HERE and read as much as you can find time to and follow the many links – you may even have sufficient interest in the future to join the debate on the Forum linked to the postings.
Good luck as Britain needs it in the face of the ineptitude of its present politicians and the style of governance that has so clearly failed us if not betrayed us!
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GUEST POST by: Niall WARRY re: EUro & Harrogate .

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Niall with a career interspersed between service in the British Army in Britain, including Northern Ireland seeking to try to keep the peace  by control of the power struggles of the criminal gangs, and in Canada, with The Royal Green Jackets and The Welsh Regiment retired after 10 years as a regular and went on to 14 years of service in The TA as a Major.

Some of his service was concurrent with 25 years experience in corporate management, as a Regional Manager for Bass.

The first serious political involvement was with Jimmy Goldsmith‘s Referendum Party as a candidate in 1997.

Since then Niall has stood as a candidate in General Elections and became Chairman of what was UKIP Wales for a period. Due to his wife’s death and relocation to Gloucestershire Niall resigned as Chairman of UKIP Wales handing it on having laid the groundwork and formed the structure that led subsequently to the election of John Bufton as a UKIP MEP.

Relocation led to becoming became Branch Chairman of Cheltenham. In this position he organised UKIP’s annual summer party & open day at Jamie Needpath’s (now Lord Kneedpath) – a hugely successful event during the time when UKIP seemed to have some relevance or at least some hope!

Sadly since 2004 UKIP would seem to have achieved absolutely nothing of any consequence in terms of Leave-The-EU.

It was during this period that Niall Warry was appointed to a general managership in UKIP Head Office in Birmingham, but in seeking to structure sound and transparent procedures and finances he fell foul of the corruption in UKIP leadership and did not have his contract confirmed when the probationary period was over.

Hence even now, years later, he is attacked by the corrupt whom he upset – The institutionalised corruption of UKIP became all too apparent when the Treasure Andrew Smith blocked meetings with him though Andrew Smith resigned in opprobrium a little later leaving his bag man the liar Mick McGough to try to cover his flight!

Niall Warry was dishonestly suspended from Farage’s Party for seeking integrity in the party and even this had to be reversed for fear of High Court action which UKIP would almost certainly have lost!

It is sad that since 2004 UKIP has achieved so very little of consequence, with such great opportunities, but much in terms of bad publicity, self enrichment for the leadership claque, placement of some particularly inept and unpleasant staff and numerous cases of Fraud.

Frauds and other odious behaviour which has all too often been denied with the only defence being to attack those who publish the facts!

The frauds etc. have been or are being investigated by OLAF & or The British Police – several orders to repay money fraudulently obtained and used, a prison sentence for one MEP who abused his position of trust and lied to try to wriggle out of his theft ending up in prison so far and of course liars like Derek Clark who tried to con his regional committee into the belief that first of all he was not under investigation and then that Junius & I had lied and made it up and then when proven guilty lied to pretend he was not found guilty.

It is this sort of corrupt behaviour that Niall Warry decided to disassociate himself from so that he could, like myself and others, carry on the patriotic fight  to Leave-The-EU untramelled and unassociated with the pro EU membership reformist stance of Farage’s squalid little clique and its claque.

As a dedicated EUroRealist of many years standing Niall Warry, with no realistic expectation of success at such short notice but with the aim of raising the EU issue stood as an INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance PPC in Somerton & Frome in the General Election and was supported by his partner Angela.

 

A fortunate decision in the long run as the bufoon leading UKIP whilst Farage ‘showed off & came a dismal 3rd. in Buckinghamshire, betrayed the party by waiting until the last minute and calling on UKIP’s candidate to withdraw and support The Tories!
Organisational skills and propensity for listing the work we all have to do makes Niall a natural Leader, bringing his military organisational skills to bear and those of a regional manager for Bass over 25 years!

It is not just that I have known Niall Warry well for almost 15 years that I have offered him a ‘Guest Posting’ but that he has proved to be consistently honest and a dedicated and patriotic EUroReal;ist for so very many years.

I also largely agree with the stance he takes on most issues:

Hi,
When the German papers start to question the Euro you know there is no doubt it is doomed ( see link below).
Sadly if you are relying on our National media for the REAL stories on the Euro crisis you are I’m afraid going to be disappointed.
Apart from the Express the rest editorially still believe we should remain in the EU and renegotiate our terms of membership.
What they fail to understand is that the existing EU treaties especially The Lisbon Constitution Treaty makes it impossible to renegotiate our terms without invoking Article 50 which declares you want to leave.
Only then will a country be able to negotiate with the EU about its terms of membership. No Article 50 no negotiations it really is that simple.
The truth is if you want to really understand what is happening in the EU you need to follow REAL experts like Richard North who along with Christopher Booker of the Daily Telegraph co-wrote the must read book ‘The Great Deception’.
Here is latest contribution from his blog today.   http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=82964
Although Richard’s blog is called EU Referendum it covers ALL the major items of news which concern us including the EU, Defence, Climate Change and British politics etc.
With regards to British politics Richard was the main speaker at a conference I organised on his behalf in Harrogate on the July 14th. There were 33 of us who all shared a belief that before things can be really be improved in our country then our current Parliamentary system of governance needs to be reformed.
As the Chartist had before in 1834 we produced a draft 6 demands in what became our ‘Harrogate Agenda’ and when fully developed and refined will become our ‘Harrogate Declaration’ for better governance.
Richard’s blog is being used as the vehicle for debate and hopefully we will have our Declaration finalised by this  Autumn.
If you are interested to follow the debate and indeed  read news analysis that is REAL then I highly recommend you read Richard North’s blog each day.
Niall Warry.
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It is sad to realise just howmany individuals and activists of value, vision, integrity & patriotism have left UKIP since 2004 CLICK HERE and just how low grade has been both the achievements and the integrity of their replacements and how since 2004 they have moved from being so very many peoples’ hopes to lead the cause of Leave-The-EU to increasingly turn from torch bearer to damp squib as part of the problem rather than any realistic hope of leading to a solution.
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Richard North exposes the corruption of democracy in The EU

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Primary Title: Playing Games!

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Wednesday 25 April 2012

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This is going to run and run. But, illustrating how sensitive the EU commission is about an increased budget, it has produced a sort of rebuttal, claiming to be the good guys.

But what I particularly like here is item five, where the commission tells us that: we are wrong to assert that: “The EU budget is decided by Eurocrats without any democratic procedures”.

The annual EU budget, it tells us, is decided by elected politicians, in the European Parliament and in the Council that brings together the Member States. Thus, we are told, “The Commission only proposes the budget, and has to respect the ceilings set out for a period of time (currently 2007-2013) by these elected politicians”.

And there you have it … the fatal (but probably deliberate) mistake in assuming that elections necessarily, or at all, confer democracy. Of course, without a unified demos, you cannot have a meaningful election. It the demos has no power to assert its agenda, there is no democracy.

More to the point, I have read numerous commission reports and study papers on the nature of democracy, and the so called “democratic deficit” within the EU. There is certainly no misunderstanding within the heart of the institution, and a full awareness that the Union is not democratic, and nor is its decision-making.

One of the most important of those papers was the white paper on European Governance, with a critique here, actually written by myself (ghosted for Nigel Farage) but, rather bizarrely, attributed to Dr Cris Shore (now corrected, with commendable speed).

When you see what they know, and what they actually say, it thus becomes evident that the Commission is playing games. As bad, they are insulting our intelligence. That is a very silly thing to do.

Richard North 25/04/2012

The original article can be seen on Richard’s new (old) blog at its new home CLICK HERE – Do make4 a note of Richard’s new home for your daily reading 😉
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