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UKIP, The EFD, The EAF ALL have links to the EDL

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 11/07/2012

UKIP, The EFD, The EAF ALL have links to The EDL
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UKIP, The EFD, The EAF ALL have links to The EDL!

They are all organisations with proven associations with Racism, Religious Bigotry, Anti homosexuality, Anti Judaism & unfit for ANY Public Office!

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ignore the protestations made so often by Nigel Farage & his puppets and muppets, whether using their own names or too ashamed to put their name to their behaviour and acting in cowardly anonymity.
There is absolutely no way UKIP can with any credibility claim moral high ground by standing on the political dung heap and crowing – They have a provable track record of dishonesty, bullying, cyber stalking, racism, anti homosexuality and outright lies which reaches the highest levels of their clique and its claque.
Although public opinion has always been little more than tolerant of membership of The EU by a tiny majority, having been duped and lied to by leaders like Geoffrey Rippon, Ted Heath, Harold MacMillan, douglas hurd, Geoffrey Howe and subsequent to the catastrophic ECA 72 and the referendum to endorse The Treaty of Rome we have had rascals like Ken Clark, Tony Blair, Neil Kinnock, Graham Watson, Francis Maude, Denis McShane and many more energetically betraying these United Kingdoms for their own gain as they advocate National suicide and direct rule by the centralised and largely undemocratic EU.
Yet we note that whether deliberately set up to discredit the EUrosceptic movement as many believe or by accident of utter incompetence which I find more plausible, the ONLY credible political group that claims to advocate withdrawal seem s to be UKIP.
Sadly however their conviction to Leave-The-EU seems to be more words than reality as their so called leader is also a leader of The EFD Pan EU Political Group which is largely pro membership of the EU and much like The Tories claims to wish to see revision.
The EFD is a Group espousing continued membership of The EU and renegotiation in some areas – Astonishingly UKIP’s leader and its MEPs are members of this group with the honourable exception of Nikki Sinclaire who was forced out of UKIP largely for being homosexual but for the quoted reason that she refused to sit with The EFD in The EU and comply with Nigel Farage’s political corruption of UKIP.
Fortunately for Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman neither are homosexual so although they too resigned from Farage’s group in The EU they have been allowed to remain in Farage’s Party!

The European Parliament has been scandalised by an incident in which ‘Tommy Robinson’ of the English Defence League (EDL) has personally issued a threatening letter to a British MEP inside the parliament.
Robinson and other neo-nazis had accessed the Parliament, on Monday 9th July, to attend a conference organised by the Belgian far-right Vlaams Belang, with whom various members of UKIP leadership claque are associated.
Robinson acted under the guise of the ‘International Civil Liberties Alliance’, these extremists had gathered to discuss their mutual fear of Islam.
The organiser, Phillip Claeys, is a board member, along with UKIP’s Godfrey Bloom, of the Pan-European party, the EAF.
One of the speakers at the conference was Magdi Allam, an Italian MEP who is as obsessed with Islam as Gerard Batten a UKIP MEP would seem to be. Allam is a member of Nigel Farage’s EFD group in the European Parliament as is the odious extremist Gerard Batten who is closely associated with various extremist groups and known criminals see CLICK HERE.
As if it could not get any worse, several of the ‘delegates’ have been described by the press as ‘mentors’ of the Norwegian gunman Anders Breivik.
The EAF is one of two pan-European parties to be denied further EU funding on the grounds of far-right extremist agendas.
This latest incident clearly shows the cross-over between UKIP and the far-right.
At his recent tribunal in London, UKIP MEP Gerard Batten was represented by a barrister, Paul Diamond, who I gather has been censured in Court by a presiding Judge for his unprofessional behaviour and appears to have a history of defending in court people accused of ‘anti-Islamic’ behaviour.
Paul Diamond also represented Batten at the trial of Julian Assange (though what that has to do with Gerard Batten‘s duty as an elected MEP elected to campaign to Leave-The-EU is questionable and one would trust his fees were paid from Batten‘s personal pocket and not from the public purse via Batten‘s expenses!).
Paul Diamond also defended Mrs Batten when she appeared in court charged non-payment of her TV licence.
Through Sam Soloman, Diamond has links to the EDL.
Soloman was an ‘expert witness’ at Batten‘s recent Court hearings.
The UKIP website openly admits the links between Batten and Soloman though it would seem not to note Batten’s association with Gregory Lauder-Frost who was sentenced to two years in prison for defrauding his employers of around £100K,  nor various extremist groups, nor of Batten‘s efforts to gag the press to hide the fact that he was in Court, which was a matter of public record and openly confirmed by the Court itself!
So much for Gerard Batten‘s posturings about free speech and the rights of Julian Assange, who is neither British nor a constituent of Gerard Batten‘s and Batten‘s seeming incitment to racial hatred of those precticing Islam, based on his own personal superstitions and religious bigotry. Gerard Batten was perfectly willing to abuse his elected office to defame and to restrict the freedom to publish facts and the truth when it suited his dishonest ends!
Never in recent history has there been such antipathy for the malign influence of The EU in Britain nor abhorrence at the damage done to Britain, democracy, freedom and the future resultant from our membership of The EU and sadly the only political grouping that should be representing those who wish to Leave-The-EU are unfit for purpose and have clearly befouled the image of EUroScepticism with their own squalid behaviour and self interest.
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Default UKIP MEP Gerard Batten is a laughing stock.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/07/2012

Default UKIP MEP Gerard Batten is a laughing stock.

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Gerard Batten is a laughing stock who consistently due to his position as a UKIP MEP associated with the racist, anti homosexual, anti Jewish, anti Islamist organisations he espouses brings UKIP into disrepute!!

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Default UKIP MEP Gerard Batten is a laughing stock.

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I posted this in the Roger Hayes thread in British Police State:

Gerard Batten is a complete @rse. He has been fed the BCG drivel and swallowed it hook line and sinker. This is why nobody should vote for UKIP. I can honestly say, without fear of a writ from Gerard Batten, that he is the stupidest politician of the year. The speech was wrong. Batten knows nothing of the English legal system, which given the time he has been a MEP is quite disturbing. This pathetic speech will be used, rightfully so, by UKIP’s enemies to demonstrate what a bunch of utter fools UKIP has as MEPs.

Gerard Batten, for the avoidance of doubt, I state as fact and truth, that you are a second rate politician, a fool for all to see and that you are unfit to represent even the minutest percentage of the British people. You have brought the Eurosceptic cause into disrepute by your crass stupidity, I’d be surprised if Marine le Pen would want to sit in the same group as an utter numpty like you.

There is not a scintilla of libel in that quote. If Batten, a fool, were to issue a writ for libel, which I dearly hope he does, I would have him for costs. Gerard Batten you a fool – FACT. Sue me.

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I posted this in the Roger Hayes thread in British Police State:

There is not a scintilla of libel in that quote. If Batten, a fool, were to issue a writ for libel, which I dearly hope he does, I would have him for costs. Gerard Batten you a fool – FACT. Sue me.

Niall Warry said:

If one of the supposed better ones gets it so wrong what hope for EUKIP?

Clearly his quarterly piece in ‘Freedom Today’ for the Freedom Association is no guide to his abilities.

He appears to be the perfect EUKIP MEP – completely out of his depth and really there just to coin in the money.

To view the original comments CLICK HERE

There is little to add on the issue other than point out that for a ludicrously highly paid MEP with little or no understanding of ethics, morality, integrity, common sense, law or justice to act in such an ill informed way is staggering.

However this is not a first for the racist, hypocrite Gerard Batten who has lied and brought UKIP into disrepuete by trying to prevent me telling the truth about him.

Gerard Batten was indubitably guilty of abuse of his elected office imn wastimng police time trying to imply, under the corrupt Human Rights Laws to which these United Kingdoms are committed by virtue of their malign and damaging membership of The EU and its utterly undemocratic Lisbon Treaty.

Gerard Batten went so far as to try to clame I had intimidated him and his wife by pointing out that it was my opinion that his racist attacks on Islam may well have more to do with his wife, who is a Filipino by birth, may well be a devotee of Cardinal Sin style Catholocism and that his posturing and many of his extremist and distasteful views may have more to do with his relationship with her than the interests of these United Kingdoms or his constituents – whom he is honour bound to represent NOT hypocritically attack based upon their chosen superstitions and beliefs within the law!

This grubby little low life has as I have shown over many postings is a traitor to the values and principles of these United Kingdoms and has some particulary vile criminal associates. He would also seem to have abused his position, not just to waste police time, by nepotistically paying large amounts of money to family members under a cloak of ‘expenses’.

A measure of the man is his association with the criminal Gregory Lauder-Frost who was sent to prison for having defrauded the health organisation for whom he worked of a considerable amount of money, and also the odious and thoroughly dishonest Mick McGough.

It is also of note that Gerard Batten has been at the heart of UKIP for many years and has never noticeably spoken out in condemnation of its undeniable corruption nor spoken of the many £Millions which would seem to have been trousered by its leadership team of which he is clearly a part.

I believe that Paul Wesson (sheltering behind his pseudonym Aardvark) makes undeniable statements of fact in his posting quoted above and I believe that the BCG abreviation stands for the deeply disturbed charlatan and scoundrel Brian Gerrish. For I doubt Paul Wesson was making comment on tuberculosis as in ‘Bacille Calmette–Guérin’, BCG!

The unfortunate and deeply challenged Brian Gerrish has tried to make issue of many cases in his attempts to besmirch established issues and organisations in Britain – not least of which would seem to be his obsession with his discredited interests in child abuse and interests in the idiotic posturings of the likes of  the French Polisher and sometime Special Constable Albert Burgess, discredited criminals Robert Green and Roger Hayes.

Sadly such gems of actual information unearthed by Gerrish are ensured derision due to his constant espousal of unfounded and misinterpreted conspiracy theories, such that he must by now be a board member of The Tin Foil Hat Fellowship!

Frankly as it seems Gerard Batten has no understanding of intelligent honourable behaviour, ethics or duty it is long overdue that UKIP demanded his resignation but as there is not a single solitary individual amongst UKIP’s leadership team of principle or gravitas, in my opinion, it may well prove hard for any of them to hang onto their lucrtative scam once the rotten apples are removed from the barrel!

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I can’t understand a UKIP MEP getting involved with BCG. He clearly took the BCG press release at face value without checking with the police, the local council or the courts system. The fact that Batten thinks there is a lawful argument for withholding council tax shows how stupid he is. There is no lawful argument for such behaviour. If there were the charlatan and conman Roger Hayes would not be in prison as he would have a defence. Hayes has been ‘withholding’ his tax for some considerable time. A warrant had to be issued to bring him before the court. He is one of a very small number of people who refuse to pay council tax (withholding is his word for not paying towards the society he lives in) and who go to prison. The legal process to get to this stage has already passed through lawful demands for council tax, through threats of legal action, through an initial hearing, through judgement against Hayes, through enforcement, through a garnish order and through bailiffs.

If Hayes and his stupid cronies (yes, BCG, I think you are all stupid) are the legal experts they claim to be they would have won this case at the first hearing. They have the same rights of appeal as everyone else. Hayes could have appealed all decisions against him and could have taken his case, on a point of law, to the Supreme Court. If he was right he would have won. Despite the idiotic comments of BCG members, when they’re allowed out of the wards, the fact is that the judges in the Supreme Court would have listened to all of their arguments and those of the other side. They would have weighed up both cases and made an honest judgement. The judgement would have been delivered in open court as well as in writing. Hayes and BCG know their arguments would have been demolished and their stupidity would have left them with a costs bill of hundreds of thousands of pounds. That’s why this process hasn’t been appealed – not because BCG and Hayes know they are right, but because they know they are wrong. Once a Supreme Court judgement on a national matter like taxation is published it binds all UK courts in perpetuity. The judgement would have analysed Hayes’ arguments, discussed them based on common law precedents and statutes and demolished them.

That is the real fear – the paper tiger would be exposed. Nobody would be able to write the rubbish that Hayes writes without other people citing the case as proof that they’re wrong. All of the arguments of Hayes, Harris, Gerrish, Burgess, Barnby, Mote, Scarth, Green et al might have been potted in one fell swoop. That would benefit the whole Eurosceptic movement as Common Purpose, Hollie Greig, freemen, treason and all of the other leitmotifs of the lunatic fringe could be consigned to the dustbin of legal history.

Sadly, that hasn’t happened and the fool Batten has nailed his reputation to the mast of a sinking pirate ship. If Farage doesn’t withdraw the UKIP whip today this speech of Batten’s will haunt UKIP at election time. If I were the other parties I would be distributing it far and wide and demanding my activists understand what a fool Batten has been. This speech will be a great relief to David Cameron as it will save him hundreds of thousands of wavering voters. Nails and coffins and UKIP spring to mind.

Remember that a UKIP MEP has publicly attacked, on the record in the EU Parliament, Wirral DC, Merseyside Police and the courts system. BCG has less than one member per constituency. UKIP has won 500 votes here – all from people who don’t vote for the traditional parties in any event. UKIP has lost the votes of local government workers, police and court staff nationwide. If I was a local government worker collecting council tax I would feel that Batten’s speech had undermined my lawful efforts to enforce the rules. If I was the arresting police I would feel that Gerard Batten, at a time of massive cuts, had kicked me in the guts. If I was a magistrate I would wonder why Batten referred to my court as secret, when it clearly is not. The fact that Batten is so stupid, along with BCG, that he doesn’t understand how our local government, police and courts work is no excuse.

Gerard Batten, you are a fool. Hang your head in shame.

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Seems Gerard Batten NOT Found Guilty!

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Seems Gerard Batten NOT Found Guilty!
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Seems Gerard Batten NOT Found Guilty of some sort of charge(s) of Racism in The Courts!

Seems some sort of gagging order had been in place to suppress the facts and deny the electorate the truth of Gerard Batten’s behaviour as a public servant!!

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We hear despite seemingly inciting racial hatred Gerard Batten was found not guilty by employment tribunal recently & awarded costs!

Hi,
my Twitter of earlier clearly provides inadequate detail – that of course is the limitation of Twitter (well one of them!).

‘Happy Campers’!

You may well remember that Gerard Batten was brought before the Courts on allegations of some kind of racism – which I for one found not remotely surprising as he has proved in the past to have absolutely no understanding of British Justice and has proved himself to be all too willing to pervert the course of justice in collusion with others.Further let us not forget that Gerard Batten has openly published his fears based upon his own chosen superstitions or religious bias in a manner that could well be perceived as likely to incite racial hatred as there is no doubt left that he finds the chosen superstitions and practices of Muslims as a threat, in a manner displsying rscisl prejudice based on religious belief in a distastefull manner.
There was little information as to the details of the charges against Gerard Batten beyond the plausible rumours of racial prejudice which one could well be forgiven was based on his track record and may have led to a ‘Constructive Dismissal’ a speculation I did not make until AFTER the verdict as I had no sound information from the Court Case.
It was not until long after the case that it became clear as to why there were no details available leaving the public to speculate based upon the material in the public domain, as available by phone phrom the Court itself.
It is now known that whether from embarrassment at his earlier track record of corruption of Justice and apparent racial hatred or for some other reason Gerard Batten, as a public servant, had managed to obtain some kind of gagging order on reporting of detailed factual information from the Court – hence the dith of information and the likelihood of speculation since the gagging order would seem to have included the witholding of the fact there was a gagging order!!Had Gerard Batten obtained a super injunction even The Court would have been unable to supply the information, which it did on the phone!
I am unable to locate an official press release or Court record of the case against Gerard Batten but I gather a verdict has been reached an is a matter of open discussion and thus clearly there is no longer a gagging order though Gerard Batten has made no public statement to my knowledge – possibly due to his other odious behaviour risking an airing in the public domain!I gather Gerard Batten was exhonorated of the charges or charge against him in the Courts and a tokenry sum in expenses was awarded him – I can not verify the details but I have heard from normally reliable sources that he was awarded £1,100 but that does seem more than somewhat insulting though presumably the tax payers were paying his bills anyway and he will have been unlikely to repay any award to the public purse!!!This is not an honourable man we are speaking of; as proven by his track record, as I have shown in some detail! CLICK HERERegards,

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I am given to understand as follows – though I can provide no corroboration and am thus unsure of the veracity of the claim:
It is untrue he was found not guilty because the case was not fully heard.  All that happened was that he lost his precious reporting restriction and now everything can be openly written about.  Judge rightly said he is politician, is open to public scrutiny, is nothing special and reporting restriction discharged
I will provide further information if it comes to hand – speculation, such as this, is of course a product of attempts to restrict freedom of speech and impose gagging restrictions.Surely those with nothing to hide would wish the facts to be known rather than destroy the fundamental principles of Democracy which are founded on freedom of speech.I understand that there is now likely to be a full hearing and it is  claimed that financial impropriety involving Gerard Batten and his brother has also featured but as I say – the only thing that will now clear his name, due to his efforts to suppress the truth, would seem to be an affidavited statement of facts from him as without such a sworn statement supported by a reputable individual we can obviously not be expected to accept the word of a UKIP MEP or staff member or employed individual as they have lied and misled the public with far too great a frequency.

IF UKIP has achieved one thing in its 20 years it is to prove that they are utterly untrustworthy!

Gerard Batten and UKIP’s serial efforts to gag or censor using dishonest spin, all too often, make a nonsense of Nigel Farage’s flowery statement relative to Section 5 of The Public Order Act.

Where, as ever, Farage has found another bandwagon to jump on!
You will note that UKIP’s position is claimed to be:

Nigel Farage

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“Not that I have ever been known to insult anybody in the course of my work, nor indeed that anybody has ever felt the need to insult me or UKIP for that matter.

But the principle that freedom of speech, a basic Liberty, must be defended and protected from well meaning legislation is one that UKIP has supported for years. We have had a commitment to reform Section 5 almost since we had any commitments.

In a robust democracy people must be free to insult and be insulted. We have laws that protect against incitement to violence and hatred, that should be enough. To protect my feelings from those who wish to laugh at me or hold me in contempt is a freedom I never wanted, nor hoped for.

So three cheers for this campaign, three cheers for those like Peter Tatchell, The Christian Institute, David Davis, The National Secular Society, the Freedom Association, Big Brother Watch and all the others standing up for the liberty of people to throw verbal brickbats around.’

To see UKIP’s thoroughly misleading claim see CLICK HERE
The lies and dishonesty and the behaviour of people like Gerard Batten, Mick McGough, David Bannerman, Gawain Towler, Nigel Farage, Stuart Parr, Derek Clark, Christopher Gill, Malcolm Lord Pearson, Paul Nuttall and the rest of the raft of self serving fools show Nigel Farage to be a liar in spirit and actions.UKIP’s involvement with the ‘REFORM SECTION 5’ campaign related to The Public Order Act befouls the entire credibility of the campaign – Just as does their serial attempts to defraud the public purse!G.L-W.

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UKIP MEP Gerard BATTEN, UKIP & Gregory LAUDER-FROST

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 12/05/2012

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This posting was made on his blog yesterday, to further inform the public of the behaviour and views of their public servant Gerard Batten a UKIP MEP and openly stated member of The EFD Group in The EU which is led by the UKIP leader Nigel Farage and includes many of the most extreme scum of EU politics including advocates of violence for political gain, racists, anti Jewish, Holocaust deniers, anti homosexuals and similar who Farage leads and profits from!

Friday, 11 May 2012

UKIP MEP Gerard BATTEN, UKIP & Gregory LAUDER-FROST

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UKIP MEP Gerard BATTEN member of the racist, pro EU membership, anti homosexual group of anti Jewish EU Politicians in The EFD Group chaired by Nigel Farage!

& the association thus of UKIP & the criminal Gregory LAUDER-FROST!

Known by some since his 2 year prison sentence for defrauding his Health Service employers as Frauder-Lost!

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What do you mean by extreme? Can you give practical examples to illustrate issues of extremity that you want to get rid of? …..

Answered on a largely UKIP controlled Forum contrplled and owned by the discreditted Anthony Butcher, briefly an NEC member but clearly out of his depth quit shortly after his election and is currently a parish councillor in Long Ashton near Bristol.

The respondent passes himself off using a fake ID as do many of those posting on Anthony Butcher’s Forum, in many cases such as with the UKIP leadership claque it seems to make it easier for them to lie and defame as with such as Stathan (Kevin Mahoney), Independent UKIP, Skeptyk, Gothmog and other similar cowards and low lifes.

In the case of this correspondent ‘Mjolnir’ he does at least quote extensively from the main stream media:

Well, as examples of extremism go, I think this is pretty good. It is from the Guardian, April 24 1993.

“Worse was to come. In November Lauder-Frost was sent to prison for two years for defrauding the Riverside Health Authority of over £100,000. The money was never recovered. It emerged at the end of his trial that Lauder-Frost was trying to interest an American company in buying arms from Russia. In a letter to the company, he said: “I attach a list of military equipment immediately available from Russia. Some of the items on this faxed list sent to me direct from my people there are bound to raise your eyebrows. However, I am told all are genuine. Prices are in US dollars and I am of the opinion that you could knock them down considerably. “

You, BvL, will now attack the messenger, and come back with something like “Oh, but thats the Guardian, and they are fascist cultural Marxists” or some such rubbish. But BvL, as much as you may attack the messenger, the facts stand up for themselves.

I will show my hand a wee bit here, and say that Lauder-Frost was a concern to HMG prior to this. The Evening Standard even picked up on this, and on April7 1992 they printed: “Until recently, the Secretary General of the Monarchist League, Gregory Lauder-Frost, who was dismissed from his duties as payroll operations manager at Charing Cross Hospital in January, is bracing himself for a fresh challenge. He is to forge a new life in Russia, holing up in a 12-bedroom residence in St Petersburg.” That was what we might call a warning shot across the bows, to give a heads up to his Tory chums who might not have fully appreciated who he was. HMG knew exactly what his aspirations were.

We know that Lauder-Frost was a member of the BNP – an e-mail apologising that he could not be an active member of the BNP’s London region because he spent a lot of time in Scotland exists. We also know that he was a member of UKIP. If he still is, I don’t know. He is certainly “well aquainted” with UKIP MEP Gerard Batten.
To view the original article exposing Gerard Batten’s criminal associate Gregory Lauder-Frost CLICK HERE

There is no shortage of provenance of Gerard Batten’s friend Gregory Lauder-Frost being an extremist as a BNP member and associated with other criminals see CLICK HERE

Clearly Gerard Batten’s association with individuals such as this and the organisations they ‘frequent’ and promote can not for a moment be seen as responsible in the light of his highly paid public duties which are brought into disrepute by his behaviour and his overt apparent incitement to racial hatred by publication of generalist rants against British citizens and others who do not share his personal fears and superstitions passing as a religion.

Gerard Batten’s espousal of condemnation of the views of Muslims may be at varience with his chosen superstition but to try to foment problems in this area is no part of his elected responsibility to campaign to Leave-The-EU and mounting personal attacks on British citizens is nothing more less than an abuse4 of his position and that it tends to foment racial hatred is beneath contempt.

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UKIP’s CLAIMED Policies are clearly a sham!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 10/05/2012

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I had not bothered mentioning the details of the close link with UKIP & The British Freedom Party as it seemed to be just one prominent member Paul Weston who was a UKIP candidate for Parliamentary election and an outspoken member of UKIP’s London ‘shower’!
However the game has moved on it seems! As made abundantly clear by one of my contacts in The EU who is a supporter of UKIP and thus vehemently opposed to the behaviour of the party leadership and its parasites whose over racism and association with such vile characters as the EFD Group and apparent incitement to race hatred based upon choices of superstition that have been so clearly manifest by Gerard Batten who has been associated with the extremist organisations and individuals already shown on this blog and on the blog regarding him at CLICK HERE
Gerard Batten also features here CLICK HERE amongst a number of his known associates including Gregory Lauder-Frost (known by some as Frauder-Lost as a result of his conviction to prison for theft from his employers) and also others perceived by many as extremists, racists and preachers of thinly veiled incitement to race hatred, frequently like Gerard Batten based upon their religious superstitions.
Interestingly although it was a matter of Court record freely provided in the public domain that Gerard Batten was facing allegations in court of racism and abuse etc. he still has not provided the details and has in fact engineered a clearly immoral gagging order, since he is a public servant, in order to suppress the facts regarding his odious extremism, one assumes!You may find the following article informative as it shows just how incompetently led UKIP is with the comments of the UKIP leader in Scotland and Party Policy Director advocating ex BNP members join the party via the extremist BFP CLICK HEREI wonder if UKIP will ever expel its dishonest leadership team member who so glibly pretends to be a member of the House of Lords an action he has been cautioned for as ‘passing off’. Christopher Monkton, the one time journalist has also been vociferously claiming Obama birth certificate is a forgery.

I for one doubt it as that would require an ethical act of integrity!

Having seen that article remember BFP leader Paul Weston stood as a high-profile PPC for UKIP in 2010 for the City of London constituency who in an interview told politics.co.uk that ‘the UK was being colonised and ethnically cleansed by mass immigration and that within the next 20 years a race war would break out in the UK  where white working class kids will go fight against immigrants’ CLICK HERE

This did not to my knowlege have any disciplinary UKIP consequences  for Paul Weston as he continued to be quoted as UKIP though he subsequently left UKIP founding the British Freedom Party (BFP).

The BFP has attracted significant membership transfers with Weston, from UKIP or at very least tacit agreement and support as Christopher Monkton has confirmed, and of course draws largely on the disillusioned member of the collapsing BNP.

The BFP is I gather now officially  the Political Wing of the English Defence League, with Tommy Robinson / Steven Lennon having  been appointed Depty Leader CLICK HERE

This  follows many months of widely known and publicised mutual support and close cooperation!

The party has also cooperated CLICK HERE  with the Kahanist Fascist Jewish Defence League, which is responsible  for a large number of murders and whose US leaders were arrested in 2001 for plotting to blow up the offices of the Muslim Congressman Darrel Issa CLICK HERE

Of course officially the BFP are a proscribed organisation!!

The pretence put forward that it does not permit association with racists, the anti Jewish, anti homosexual and Holocaust deniers is clearly a pack of lies as Christopher Monkton, a member of the leadership team has shown and as shown by the irrefutable fact Farage is leader of the EFD Group in The EU which ticks all the boxes as an extremist and racist organisation!

Interestingly despite having arbitrarily proscribed people from membership such as The UKFirstParty members UKIP leadership still tries to pass itself off as a Libertarian Party yet is itself neo fascist in many aspects!

In the light of UKIP’s catastrophic results in te recent Local Elections with a mere 9 seats with no gains out of the 4,987 available and in the London Mayoral election particularly with the risible 1.96% of the vote in a fiasco many believe was engineered deliberately by Farage to suit his masters!
It is clearly not the time to continue to spin the truth as clearly the peoples of these United Kingdoms have seen straight through their sham and hypocrisy and even Farage announced to the media that UKIP under his leadership was reliant on protest votes – the sub text of the statement being that UKIP under his leadership team had failed totally to impress with their policies or abilities!

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UKIP’s London Fiasco & Insurrection plans

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 09/05/2012

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Was UKIP’s London Fiasco intentionally orchestrated?

It may assist Insurrection plans amongst the squabbling and self serving leadership!!
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interestingly every candidate party received a copy of the handbook regarding the rules for the recent election.
In fact it was readily available for ALL to read at:
http://www.londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/information-booklet
Consider:

UKIP could and should have noticed the mistake about the ‘Fresh Choice’ listing in advance, let us remember that the PROMISE of Nigel Farage when elected was to professionalise UKIP, anyone  who has examined the voters guidebook – sent to all registered voters months before the election – would have known of the problem.

In that publication Lawrence Webb is repeatedly listed as ‘Fresh Choice for London’ only (p2 and all UKIP candidates on pages 22-26 for the constiuency candidates).

On page 5 a sample mayoral ballot paper is even shown where Lawrence Webb is merely listed as ‘Fresh choice for London’, albeit with the UKIP logo in the logo coloumn.

Surely even basic procedure and competency, let alone the PROMISED professionalisation and the bloated salaries of the incompetents on the payroll paid as Praise Singers for Farage would dictate checking this key booklet

This booklet5 was the main source of information about the elections for many Londers.

What went wrong in Mr Webb’s failed campaign?

I for one can not believe that Lawrence Webb did NOTHING in his own interests and in the interests of his own campaign.

Those paying attention will have noted that even prior to the election UKIP’s spin merchants were already spinning to cover for the decision to change the name of the party – which was of course the direct responsibility of the leader and his PROFESSIONAL and highly salaried clique and aided by the parasites who form his claque!

Was deliberately behaving as fools to damage UKIP’s chances of causing BoJo any damage by obtaining votes a deliberate decision made by Farage who did so very little to support any kind of credible campaign.

The London fiasco was just exemplary of the utterly crass and incompetent campaign during the elections across Britain that were such a catastrophy for UKIP and thus for the cause hoping to Leave-The-EU.

How could anyone but a liar and a delusional charlatan describe having ZERO net gains and only being elected to 9 seats out of 4,987 available when even the Greens were elected to 40 the almost unheard of SAMRA had a net gain of one, Respect gained 5 and the LibDims who risibly Farage’s part claims to rival claiming that UKIP is the third party in Britain – what a lie! The LibDims achieved 16% to UKIP’s catastrophic failure with 5% and 9 seats to the LibDims. 431!!

To try to present UKIP’s achievements as anything other than catastrophic failure is not just unprofessional but an outright lie.

UK style election mathematics

UK style election mathematics (Photo credit: Aleksi Aaltonen)

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those paying attention last week will have noticed that I was making thinly veiled allusions to the meeting due in London last Saturday!We understand that the meeting took place between Mata Andreasen and Gerard Batten supported by John Bufton with a view to seeking to orchestrate withdrawal from The EFD and the decapitation of UKIP leadership where if they can gain the support of one or two others Farage will lose his personal income stream and control of the EFD Group and may well see sense and quit as titular leader of UKIP after bringing the party into such obvious disrepute by his association with the extremist, racist, anti homosexual anti Jewish advocates of violence as a political tool – The Group which he personally chairs!!

Farage has shown beyond doubt that he is not capable of or competent to present professionalism and has habitually lied to party members, the electorate and the media in a manner which would indicate he is absolutely bereft of ethics, morality or any understanding of the difference between truth and outright lies.

The situation is likely to become more heated on Thursday when Mike Nattrass returns from yet another of his holidays, this time one of his Manila trips where it seems he has run to avoid the inconvenience of any need to participate in the recent elections!

Some may remember that this wealthy man has had a habit of disapearing at crucial times and talking of Times you may well remember he tried to blame The Sunday Times for his failing to perform credibly in the leadership election scam Farage orchestrated some time ago – some may have considered that he was on holiday in Manila during a large part of the campaign may well have had rather more to do with his failure!

However he returns on Thursday and is expected to support the call for Farage to step down and for the party to try to find a credible leader as clearly there isn’t one within its ranks as shown by their failure to address Farage’s self interest to date and merely capitalise on it for themselves, year in year out!

Tacit approval is expected from Trevor Colman but he is clearly a spent force of no consequence as he sabotaged his own credibility with his support for Tom Wise just as did Farage and Nattrass! Also Coleman is not enjoying good health it seems and frequently does not attend the EU citing health as his reason for non attendance!

William Legge (Dartmouth) is also expected to side with the Andreasen position as clearly he faces de-selection by Farage at the next EU elections having failed to contribute as Farage had hoped!!!

With Darmouth and Colman clearly out of the running we are assured that the shambolic and unprofessionally incompetent Steve Crowther and the ethically challenged and discredited Neil Hamilton are promised the first two places on Farage’s list for MEP.

UKIP is rightly, after the serial lies, defamatory dishonesty and endless infighting and utterly unprofessional behaviour of the leadership and the self serving behaviour of the parasites gathered in hope of preferment around them – UKIP is teetering on the edge of self destruction.

It was not just the catastrophic election results but that was exacerbated by the idiotic spin put on it by UKIP – spin that just was not credible and has been so clearly used by the left wing media to berate the Tories who they feel threaten their jobs by imposing responsible austerity after 13 years of profligate misrule that has left us bankrupt as a Country and governed by the EU, who so clearly use our money obtained with ZERO moral mandate and squandered on bribes to the media and extensive propaganda to cover for its corruption and abject failure as a social experiment!

UKIP has proved a tragic distraction from the ned to Leave-The-EU for survival and has hugely disapointed patriots who had such hopes of the party which unfortunately has failed to achieve ANYTHING of consequence towards the goal of Leave-The-EU in 20 years and seems unlikely to ever contribute to the cause due to utterly unprofessional behaviour, serial dishonesty, repeated corruption and the odious & childish behaviour of its representatives such as Mick McGough, Gawain Towler, Annabelle Fuller, Kevin Mahoney, Gerard Batten, Derek Clark and the rest of the risible claque of low lifes that form UKIP’s leadership and supporters including those too cowardly & ashamed to use their own names for their crass and unprofessional comments and behaviour.

One has to ask if ANY individuals or so called Party has done as much damage to the cause of Leave-The-EU has as Farage and his claque and UKIP as a party with 4% of the electorate voting for them when we KNOW that a majority of the British peoples wish to Leave-The-EU or at very least re-structure our relationship trading with our neighbours not ruled by them!

Let us hope that UKIP’s present collapse does not open the door for those who failed to make the grade in the party and walked away having been voted out as clearly unable to outmanouver Farage and his claque as they have proved their ineptitude.

Again and again we see UKIP’s hasbeens with detailed plans of how to form a party with a plethora of policies that clearly UKIP lacks the intellectual capacity to structure, and who on earth needs yet another political party posturing as contenders at the expense of the people and our Country.

We just want to Leave-The-EU and any other ambitions within UKIP detracts and dilutes the message and task at hand.

UKIP is fast moving to a position of betrayal and treachery on a par with that of Edward Heath, Geoffrey Rippon, Blair, Major, Kinnock, Jenkins, Hesseltine, Brown and the like in the extent to which they have assisted The EU!

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NUMBERING POSTS.

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 in moving home from Google’sBlogger‘ as in certain of my .Blogspots.com as they have become prone to arbitrary and corrupt censorship and denial of free speech as with posts at Junius which I can vouch were accurate and did NOT contain dishonesty, inaccuracy or any form of libel yet were arbitrarily removed without contact, explanation or seemingly redress.
This removal took place within a very short time of the unannounced and arbitrary conversion of .blogspots from .com to .co.UK.
Also at the same time an effort was made by UKIP MEP Gerard Batten to suppress freedom of speech relative to one of my blogs by the expedient, as was shown, of wasting a great deal of public money and police time to prevent discussion of his behaviour as a public servant enriching himself from the public purse yet acting in a manner which I considered to be utterly repugnant.
It is and was at the time reasonable to speculate that Gerard Batten had similarly and equally dishonestly abused his position – either himself or through associates or staff – been party to the dishonest and reprehensible suppression of freedom of speech at Junius.

There is no doubt that Gerard Batten has sought to suppress free speech where it concerns him and his apparent incitement to racial hatred based upon his personal superstitions versus those of others.

I understand that he has also sought and I gather, though can not confirm, that Gerard Batten has obtained some sort of gagging order preventing reporting of events in Court pertaining to his defence of a Court action against him for apparently racial abuse, amongst other facts.

Unfortunately although the FACT that he has been before the Courts, as has been confirmed by telephone directly with the Courts themselves we do not as yet have details of the case in the public domain – due in part no doubt to the gagging order that suppresses freedom of speech and discussion, on a factual basis, of the behaviour and actions of a public servant.
The hypocracy of this situation is undeniable in the light of:
01.  UKIP claims to uphold BRITISH values – which enshrine Free Speech!
02.  Gerard Batten’s vigorous defence of Julian Assange and ‘WikiLeaks’ on the grounds of Free Speech!
03.  It has come to public note that UKIP leadership OFFICIAL POLICY is to lie to the electorate, lie to colleagues, lie to members and defame and lie about individuals such as Junius and myself to cover-up the truth they wish to keep suppressed to remain enriching themselves on the gravy train.
It is these acts of dishonesty that have led me to discontinue use of Google’s Blogger for some of my blogs.
I have retained the blogs I had on Blogger and some I will continue to post to whilst others will remain as an archive reference source for people and the media to use.
This has led to some amalgamation of posts on this new blog on my own web site as a .com and thus the NUMBERING of POSTINGS has become possibly misleading – for this reason I am discontinuing the numbering of blogs, they will merely apear in date order – It is unfortunate that the numbering has been discontinued as it used to tell in what order blog postings were made.
The NUMBERING system has become unreliable on this blog and is thus discontinued.
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#0786* – UKIP’s Clearly Racist Stance largely based on Superstitions!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 21/04/2012

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The report by Matthew Goodwin and Professor Jocelyn Evans, ‘From voting to violence?

Far right extremism in Britain,’ is available to read in full CLICK HERE.

The report was launched at an event hosted by Chatham House on 08-Mar-2012 CLICK HERE

Although Prof. Goodwin is reported to have said:

‘Ukip supporters had been included as a “control group” for comparison with far-right organisations as it was to the right of the Conservatives’. “Ukip is not an extreme or violent organisation but it is useful to see what its supporters think in comparison to supporters of other groups,”

Which rather contradicts his own executive summary on some parts!

Below is an executive summary of the findings on The BNP & UKIP relative to Muslims, a more colourful rather light weight report on The BNP can also be viewed if you CLICK HERE :

The report points to attitudes among the memberships of the BNP and UK Independence Party towards Muslims finding that “large majorities of both BNP and UKIP supporters appear absolutely convinced that Islam poses a serious danger to the West.”

On attitudes in the BNP towards violence the report concludes that there is“clear evidence of an inner core of activists who are both expecting, and endorse, violence.”

From the report’s executive summary:

“While BNP and UKIP supporters in our sample exhibit distinct profiles, they are driven by a similar set of concerns. Foremost, BNP and UKIP supporters are concerned about immigration. Despite a global financial crisis and economic stagnation, in their eyes immigration is the most important issue facing Britain. Following their second issue of  concern (the economy), both groups identifyMuslims in British society as the third most important issue facing the country (an option that is not routinely given in standard surveys).

“Both groups also express high levels of anxiety over Islam, and its religious institutions. Both BNP and UKIP supporters would feel bothered by the presence of a mosque in their local community, but again to a much higher degree amongst BNP supporters. Such views appear to stem from the way in which large majorities of both the BNP and UKIP supporters view Islam as a serious danger to the West. Over three quarters
of BNP supporters and almost two thirds of UKIP supporters strongly disagree that Islam does not pose a threat to the West. In fact, less than one out of every ten BNP and UKIP supporter in our sample endorsed the suggestion that Islam does not pose a serious danger to the West. In short, large majorities of both BNP and UKIP supporters appear absolutely convinced that Islam poses a serious danger to the West.


“A key difference between supporters of the extreme and radical right-wing is theintensity of their feelings about immigration and Islam. BNP supporters in our sample are overwhelmingly concerned about immigration and Muslims, and almost to the exclusion of other issues.

“Large numbers of BNP and UKIP supporters in our sample endorse the view that violence between different ethnic, racial and religious groups in Britain is largely inevitable, but with much stronger agreement amongst the BNP group.

“Beyond preparing for conflict, we also find evidence of support within the BNP sample for armed conflict, when defending the British way of life, with twice as many BNP supporters as UKIP endorsing this as always or sometimes justifiable. Similarly, twice the proportion of BNP supporters than their UKIP counterparts in our sample agreed violence may be needed to protect their group from threats.

“Within the BNP group, there is clear evidence of an inner core of activists who are both expecting, and endorse, violence. By disaggregating supporters into five distinct types, from core to periphery, those at the core of the BNP are far more likely than the more peripheral party’s supporters to expect and endorse violence.

“While we cannot compare these findings with a sample of the national population, they suggest that large majorities of the BNP and UKIP supporters in our sample are expecting relations between different groups to deteriorate into violence. BNP supporters are most likely to consider the strategy of preparing for group conflict justifiable with almost half the sample of BNP supporters considering this always or sometimes justifiable, compared to less than a third of UKIP supporters. Much greater endorsement of violence never being justifiable is evident amongst UKIP supporters.”

You will of course be aware from postings and his public performances that though Gerard Batten is associated with, what many consider to be extremist white supremacist groups, he has published anti Islamic material that would seem to encourage racial hatred based upon his own superstitions and his antipathy for Islam – a position, it is reasonable to speculate, that may well be influenced by his Filipino wife who having been brought up in a Country of extremist support on both sides of the religious divide be that the catholicism of Cardinal Sin or that of muslim fundamentalism.

Those interested in, what I consider to be highly divisive and splenetic views, as promoted by Gerard Batten and his dubious associates may be interested in his odious propositions on the issue backed seemingly by his superstitions of ‘My God is better than your God’ standards of behaviour to prop up one superstition versus another – We can consider the forthright opinions of UKIP’s leadership in more detail but for Gerard Batten’s grubby little musings CLICK HERE & his difficulties with The Courts are alluded to HERE though I have recently been unofficially informed that he has obtained some kind of gag order to suppress the facts and it is not permitted to discuss what happened INSIDE any of his various Court appearances and machinations! (Good job I didn’t then! Though how anyone would know when it is a matter of open discussion in The EU?)

 

It will be noted that UKIP condoned by their inactivity and continued associations the support of the vile racist extremist Anders Breivik CLICK HERE. It would seem however that UKIP’s inclusion in this odious group of EU extremists has more to do with the personal enrichment of a small clique than any kind of political expedience and in UKIP it would clearly not be a moral, ethical or intellectual stance of any patriotic gravitas!

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#0782* – Alexandra Swann is seemingly A Liability The Tories are well shot of!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 19/04/2012

#0782* – Alexandra Swann is seemingly A Liability The Tories are well shot of!

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one can only stand back incredulous at the utter unprofessionalism of UKIP Leadership as they welcome any nere do well with open arms as long as they have failed in another party or have some cheap celebrity or title!
Now we have Farage’s latest bimbette thrust upon us – of talking of thrust what ever happened to his protege Kim Gandy who he happily embraced from the BNP see CLICK HERE
Farage’s ex Tory bimbette Annabelle Fuller who so clearly brought shame on decent UKIP supporters with her foul language, obscene abuse of members on UKIP controlled public forums, record of theft, drunkeness, impropriety, false accusations, breeches of The Data Protection Act and eventually the resignation of UKIP’s then chairman John Witacker no longer willing to lie for Nigel Farage to cover for his doxy!
Ms. Fuller must be considering her position in the light of Farage’s latest failed Tory bimbette who so neatly fits in to represent that other failed old Tory Roger Helmer who facing deselection and clearly piqued at Tory refusal to select his personal choice of successors has defected to UKIP.
One can expect that all to end in tears as clearly Farage will resent being outshone by someone of some competence when he has done so very much to dumb down the party and surround himself with nebishes and nere do wells so that he, like a strutting cockerel shines out as he preens atop the dung heap he has created with his vile little claque of muppets around him!
Just view the foul mouthed sex obsessed obscenities on Twitter of Ms. Swann and the similarity to the vile blogs & comments of Farage’s earlier Tory bimbette the discreditted Annabelle Fuller. Little wonder they both seem to have gravitated to Farage as a showman and the odious and untrustworthy Gawain Towler for as you will note he is wallowing in Ms. Swann’s gutter with his childish comments on Twitter also – they do so demean UKIP!
More to come later when I have time with the details of Ms. Swann’s idiotic and defamatory comments representing the other failed Tory Roger Helmer and supporting the idiocy of the Tory defectee Tom Bursnall in the attack on the unemployed seeking to prevent them voting!

We note UKIP has not publicly admonished them as duty would demand of any ethical organisation – That UKIP sit with their partners the extremists of The EFD Group one can all to readily conjecture that IF they ever gained any authority, unlikely as that clearly is with their serial failure in any domestic elections over the last 20 years, having pronounced the desire to disenfranchise the unemployed might we expect them to persecute the Jews, homosexuals and immigrants also as advocated by their partners?

When I have time later I will provide the links & further details of this odious behaviour from UKIP leadership, staff and their parasites!
Sorry not to have posted earlier but this software is much slower to use as yet and I’m also fairly busy on other issues.
Call back to this blog later for further facts and details ………..

 

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EU Charter of misunderstanding Muslims

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Those who, like our prime minister, want to engineer a so-called “moderate” Islam probably look with admiration to Sam Solomon’s “A Proposed Charter of Muslim Understanding” published in December 2006 with a foreword by UK Independence Party MEP Gerard Batten (but without featuring an impressum or stating a publisher or printer as normally required by law for publications in the UK). An colleague of Mr Batten, Ashley Mote MEP, sent a copy to the Islamic Party of Britain for comment, informing that the document had been launched in the European Parliament. To save other politicians wanting to follow suite from embarrassment (the old saying applies that it is better to keep you mouth shut and give the semblance of intelligence than to open it and remove all doubt), I am reproducing my reply on behalf of the Islamic Party of Britain.

Dear Mr Mote,

may I first thank you for affording us the opportunity to comment on the Proposed Charter of Muslim Understanding you sent us; an open and frank discussion and exchange of ideas is the best way to achieve mutual understanding even if, in the end, we may only agree to differ.

Sam Solomon’s proposed charter of Muslim understanding is quite extraordinary both in its content and, maybe even more so, in its very existence. The European Parliament purports to represent the people of Europe (via their member states) irrespective of their religious or ideological beliefs. That the parliament should be asked to enter into a separate agreement with a sub-section of its own constituents appears unprecedented. Is there also going to be a charter of Catholic understanding, Protestant understanding, Jewish understanding, Humanist understanding, Atheist understanding, Hindu understanding, Sikh understanding, Scientologist understanding etc. etc.? Or is the very belief in Islam as a religion considered so outlandish to Europe that Muslim constituents are to be treated as a separate and outside entity apart from the rest of the citizens of Europe?

It is on the basis of this aberration that we could not support such a charter even if the content was agreeable. In his foreword to the charter Gerard Batten MEP is trying to differentiate between fundamentalist and moderate Muslims, a very common attempt amongst politicians today, although those terms are meaningless simplifications given the complexity of any religious or ideological belonging. There is no doubt that amongst the citizens of any nation there are people who might not agree with all or some of the principles upon which the respective nation is built. There will also be people with divided loyalties. However, this is not a Muslim phenomenon. The UK Independence Party to which Mr Batten belongs, for example, has members in the European Parliament whilst at the same time being in disagreement with the various treaties and the legal framework upon which the European Union is built. Such is the nature of democracy.

Of course, people like Mr Batten or Mr Solomon might want to differentiate between a mere disagreement of ideas and the so-called threat of violence and terrorism eminating from “fundamentalist” Islam. We reject indiscriminate violence and terrorism, but we cannot accept that they are a particular Muslim phenomenon. Rather they are the weapon of choice for the powerless objecting to political oppression and can therefore only be resolved by political means. Our government recognised this in the case of Irish terrorism which mainly abated once a political settlement of grievances was in sight. Our government’s involvement in the illegal invasion of Iraq or unashamed partisan support for Israel in her quest to dominate the region through aggression against her Palestinian or Lebanese neighbours, on the other hand, is fuelling international terrorism.

At no time in the history of “the Troubles”, however, has there been the suggestion that there ought to be a charter of Catholic understanding – since Irish Republicans confess Catholicism – or of Jewish understanding – since many Jewish citizens in the UK have dual nationality and loyalty and are even reservists in the Israeli Defence Force. Had such a charter, “allowing” – to paraphrase Batten – “Catholics/Jews from all strands of belief to make it plain that they reject those extremist interpretations of their religious texts that promote or excuse violence and bring Catholicism/Judaism into conflict with the modern world” been proposed, the Catholic Church or the Jewish Board of Deputies would rightly have rejected it as inappropriate.

Having hereby rejected the very notion of such an endeavour, I will still comment on some of the rather presumptious proposals contained in the charter document, for many secular politicians these days seem to arrogantly want to redefine religious beliefs for their own convenience. In his introduction Mr Solomon suggests that Muslim leaders should agree that anybody deviating from the path of his charter should be outcast from the religion of Islam as a non-Muslim heretic. Islam does not have a hierarchical church structure and does not afford anybody the right to give such an undertaking.

Mr Solomon would do well to at least study the religion of Islam before wanting to mandate the behaviour of its scholars. His demand for them to issue specific fatwahs is as presumptious as if he were to tell the Pope which edict to pass next. A fatwah or religious edict in Islam is not the mere expression of an opinion by an individual or a group, it is a well researched and referenced argument requiring the same level of scrutiny of source texts and precedents as a judgment passed in a court of law. In article 1 of his charter Mr Solomon demands the issuance of a fatwah prohibiting the use of force and violence against non-Muslim and in article 5 he demands that the notion and all teachings of violent physical Jihad be “regarded as invalid, inappropriate and irrelevant” and “hence inapplicable”. Article 51 of the UN Charter, on the other hand, states that “nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations”. What Mr Solomon is, therefore, effectively saying is that Muslims or Muslims nations should voluntarily surrender the rights afforded to them by the UN Charter. Whether Mr Batten or Mr Solomon like it or not, the Palestinian uprising is a legitimate expression of self-defence sanctioned under international law as long as Israel is in illegal occupation of Palestinian land. A similar case could be made with respect to many other conflicts in the world, yet here we are told that any Muslim supporting and defending such a right of self-defence should be excommunicated.

Moreover, Mr Solomon now also wants to play God by asking Muslim leaders to agree that “all Qur’anic Jihad verses encouraging physical violence, whether implicit or explicit, or any other quotations from the any Islamic source, be that Sunnah or the sayings of the Prophet or that of the learned scholars … are to be regarded as inapplicable, invalid and non- Islamic; All Qur’anic verses that COULD (my emphasis) be of inciting nature religiously, ethnically or discriminatory in regard to gender are just historical and will be regarded as non-effective for today’s world; These verses will be either deferred or suspended until such time as scholars find a solution for their interpretation.” Here is Chutzpah par excellence. The only missing ingredient is that Mr Solomon might want to be appointed to Chief Mufti of all European Muslims and put in charge of a new revised edition of the Qur’an acceptable to his taste.

After asking for a commitment in article 7 to fully cooperate in spying on their co-religionist by watching and monitoring mosque sermons and other mosque teaching programmes for messages not in accordance with this Charter, monitoring all publications, and reporting on any secret and suspicious gatherings of youths, Mr Solomon treats us in article 10 to three pages of Qur’an verses which he would want to have revised or rendered invalid, hastening to add that the list is not exclusive. Amongst those verses are even some which declare the belief in the trinity to be mistaken, which makes me think that the Spanish Inquisition was a lot more honest than Mr Solomon’s pretense at reaching an understanding; at least they spelled it out that conversion to Christianity was the only option available to Muslims in Europe.

Dear Mr. Mote, the above cursory points might not be the response you were hoping for. It is a sign of the immaturity of debate and irrationality of approach by those wishing that Islam as a serious proposition within Europe would simply go away that such half-baked proposals even have to be discussed. I am sure that anybody proposing a charter suggesting that the European parliament legislate on the interpretation of the Talmud or the New Testament would be made a laughing stock rather than be given a serious rebuff by the Christian Churches or the Rabbinical authorities. I have endured the ignorant assumptions and presumptious insults emerging from the pages of Mr Solomon’s charter and given them my attention only because I am all too painfully aware how little he and others like him know about the subject on which they speak. If there is to be more understanding between European citizens of different religious and ideological persuasions, maybe the first step should be to facilitate the education of European citizenry about what adherents to those religions or secular belief systems actually believe in. This would be a vastly more rewarding exercise than the current scare-mongering polemics against a sub-section of people within the countries of Europe, of which the document you asked us to comment on is a prime example.

Yours sincerely,
Dr Sahib M Bleher
general secretary
Islamic Party of Britain

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