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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 14/10/2012

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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU!
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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU.

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Hi,

the posting below is one I placed earlier on a Conservative Forum, you may find it of interest:

Hi,

A Royal Commission to report 3 months before The General Election based on Cost Benefits of continued membership of The EU and provision of a fully documented Exit & Survival Strategy becomes essential for a free, fair and informed IN/OUT Referendum with no cunning codicils, no intervention from The EU or its staff (probably includes the entire Civil Service nowadays!) and equal funding and media time for both sides.

Then, unlike the utterly rigged devolution scam in Wales, open counting of the vote!

If Scotland is considered acceptable to hold a Referendum –
Then:
‘We-Demand-A-Referendum’
‘Let-The-People-Decide’
it is after all OUR Country and our elected servants should remember their place and their oft claimed mantra:
They Work For You
which at the moment looks somewhat shaky.

To date no one has EVER shown a benefit of consequence for Britain or our peoples in membership of The EU, that is not hugely outweighed by:

the loss of liberty,

the negation of democracy,

the centralisation of control,

the overpaying of the useless who gain access to the pot of OUR money IF they support the scam,

the justification of the £Billions spent on propaganda to tell us how good The EU is etc. etc.

Let us not forget also the downside risks and the obscene and unaccounted £50Million a day membership tax.

I appreciate that those feeding at the troughs, inside the bubble, do incredibly well for themselves, and thus have great motivation to try to block and if need be rig a referendum.

There is absolutely zero intelligent reason for continuing to prop up The EU, an experiment which on almost every count has failed to deliver, and particularly for these United Kingdoms.

Do not forget that Europe WAS:


38% of world GDP,


by 2010 The EU’s share had fallen to 24%

& by 2020 it is expected to be 15% or less!

The EU scam has failed!


Why shackle ourselves to a corpse?


We Want A Referendum


Let The People Decide


– Leave-The-EU!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Thomas Hauschildt 1p · 53 minutes ago

good, then leave. Do you think anyone in the EU cares, do you think you can blackmail the EU? Look what happened a few months ago; The UK was simply ignored and the EU moved on. The UK is searching for a new identity. The Empire gone, the “special relationship” with the US is only special for the UK, not the US. Germany and France are the major players in Europe, the UK could join them, but doesn’t want to. The UK will be (or is already) a third rate power, behind France and Germany. The French redefined their role, the UK hasn’t. In less than twenty years many economies will have overtaken the UK, the UK will be just another country, great times are over. You wanna leave, then leave. It will damage the UK more than the EU>

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Hi,

don’t be so timorous and aggressive.

The aim is NOT to damage The EU – merely to Leave-The-EU which has failed, irrefutably, to deliver any consequential benefit for these United Kingdoms at a cost, currently, of £50Million a day in hard cash and massive damage by over regulation, excessive controls and starving us of access to our natural global markets where our trade has grown in the last few years as our trade with EU countries has become ever more negative.

Of course The EU won’t cut us off – they are bound by The WTO agreements.

Also do be minded that our trade with the EU is a nett profit to them and a nett loss to us!

It can clearly be argued that we will be Better-Off-OUT even were that to mean we ceased trading with the EU entirely, which clearly would not happen.

It is time to implement Article 50, institute a Royal Commission, foreswear the signing of ANY new agreements until AFTER the Royal Commission reports with a full cost benefit analysis and clear Exit & Survival Strategy and a free, fair, informed and balanced Referendum on IN/OUT.

Let-The-People-Decide.

This is a situation where the Government can take the lead and the 220,000 signatures obtained by the independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire & her team, backed by various polls has shown the people want a referendum in a spirit of integrity and fair play.

That the Franco German Allience under ‘The Treaty of Elysee’ makes a mockery of the entire EU concept is worthy of note as TH has reminded us they have seized the power and control The EU.

It is something of a relief that Germany did Cameron’s job for him and blocked The BAE merger with EADS or yet another British mega corp would have been crushed into the Fraco German portfolio similarly the collapse of the RBS sell out to Santander has retained that business.

Now Leave-The-EU and lets start repatriating and reconstructing our democracy, justice, civil service, police, military, economy, businesses etc. etc. in a spirit of self control and in line with the fundamental human right of self determination ‘Let The People Decide’.

Shock horror we could consider revivvifying The Anglosphere and we could draw up our own international treaties and contracts – even with individual vassal states of The EU!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

 

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The Beatles ‘Love Me Do’ released 50 years ago today!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/10/2012

The Beatles ‘Love Me Do’ released 50 years ago today!

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The Beatles ‘Love Me Do’ released 50 years ago today!

As was the launch of the first ‘James Bond‘ film with the iconic British flag waving!

Today in 2012 is the inaugural Conference of:
‘We Want A Referendum’ campaign at Westminster Hall!

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Hi,today – Friday 05-Sept-1962 was the day on which the original Beatles line up, before Ringo Starr joined the group, released their first single.

It is the 50th anniversary of the release of Love Me Do:

Today is also the anniversary of the iconic British series of James Bond films with the release of Sean Connery as James Bond in the film ‘Dr. NO
It is also the actual day today of the inagural conference of the new British political party ‘We Demand A Referendum‘ I shall campaign and support the campaign to ‘Let The People Decide‘  based on the FACTS provided by a Royal Commission with no additional commitment to The EU and no further payments until AFTER The IN / OUT Referendum is held with equal funding and equal media coverage for both sides and absolutely NO interference from corrupt external sources such as The EU and its puppets.I shall campaign and support a NO vote launched today since it is the 50th. anniversary of Doctor NO let us hope when we Leave-The-EU it will prove as great a success as James Bond!

Good luck to Nikki Sinclaire and her team in their campaign for a referendum – just as with The Beatles 50 years ago – who would have expected such a huge success – I did when I bought my copy of the 45rpm single Love Me Do with ‘PS I Love You’ on the flip side, on the day it was released in Germany where I lived at the time or back at school in Bristol, which I can’t remember as I was 16 and much has happened since!

I do well remember that at the time I was vehemently opposed to Britain ever joining the then EEC (EUropaische Wirtschaft Gemeinschaft!)

Today I’m looking forward to the start of something big that 50 years on will be seen as the great turning point in British history when the people of Britain started to stand on their own feet once more with the determination to excerciswe their fundamental human right of ‘Self Determination‘ sickened by the betrayal of their Country, their ancestors, their descendants and themselves by their low caliber self serving, self enriching politicial elite and their corrupt Civil Servants and State Broadcasters.

The new Movement has been launched as a political party not to gain seats but to comply with Electoral Commission law and gain influence and today with almost 1/4 Million signatures and a House of Commons debate already achieved having only launched the movement formally just a couple of weeks ago to get anything over 100 to attend their inagural conference at Westminster Hall will be a great step forward today.

 

Already Nikki Sinclaire has been on radio today promoting her team and their aims.

I hope all goes well for them and their genuine supporters – there will of course be many who after years of being paid £Millions to achieve this great step will be embarrassed at their total failure to deliver who will snipe and detract from the achievement and seek every way they can to denigrate it just as there will be many a ‘band wagon’ jumper trying to pretend it is their achievement just as UKIP leadership did as they paraded up and down outside Parliament at Westminster whilst the debate Team Sinclaire had achieved went on inside!

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Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/09/2012

Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values!
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Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values on The Politics Show!

We note Katie Hopkins has her own views as well as presenting the aims of the ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign and already the scum that support UKIP are posting web sites to defame and denigrate her, Nikki Sinclaire & Gary Cartwright from a position of obscene anonymity!

The fear is palpable as is the betrayal of the electorate for personal gain!

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Hi,

though I agree with the comment made by Team Junius, on their blog CLICK HERE, I do believe that they have failed to point out that the Farage Party, which represents the so called leadership clique and its claque of scuzzy self seekers, and NOT UKIP which is the well meaning, if stunningly naiive and ill informed 10,000 or so ordinary members who lend their names to the corruption, largely in innocence and a spirit of hope over experience.

Sadly the party is driven on as an unprofessional clique of self serving self interested and mutually self supporting and self enriching and unethical rascals.

It is clear they have no clear aims beyond the mantras that hide their own gain, be it sexual, financial or perceived status as they behave like a rather unpleasant gaggle of low lifes on a reality game show – endlessly attacking and abusing anyone who dares to hold an opinion that may counter or question theirs. None are so berated and abused as those who support the aims of UKIP but have seen through the charlatans who control it.

One need only see the fool Nuttall’s contortions to attack Katie Hopkins and the We Demand A Referendum campaign that has actually achieved something.

Nuttall even went so far as to make an issue of accusing them of vote splitting, no doubt in terror at the prospect of losing his over paid position and having to get a job, as he made it clear he considered MEPs to be ineffective and useless.

It is clear that the We Demand A Referendum campaign does not seek office and has no intention of being a political party and upsetting the carefully constructed LibLabEUkipCon of the two main parties and their acolytes, ensuring they remain on their respective gravy trains; merely working to ensure a referendum on their terms and show that the LibLabEUkipCon want no such fair and informed vote of the people (to appreciate this just read the Faragistas pamphlet on Referendum!).

In fact it was clear that what Team Junius had failed to point out was that The Faraginies have no vision, no strategy, no tactics, no exit and survival strategy and no future and are utterly dependent on pointing out the perceived failings of others, actual or imaginary, as they have not a single solitary achievement to their names and had Jimmy Goldsmith and The Referendum Party lived UKIP would already have faded into oblivion as just anothr gaggle of self seekers.

Farage’s Party is so bereft of aims and achievements and so without professionalism, as shown by the fact that after 20 years they have totally failed to build a team, a structure, MPs or even any sound base of elected councillors of any worth, or as Nuttall makes clear provide anyone of any note other than Farage!

Failed and rejected Tories, be they geriatric, crimional or merely fools, hardly represent success!

To try to promote poor old Lord whatever at the conference as a great achievement when he left the Tories around a decade ago, is virtually unknown to the peoples of Britain and retired long ago, shows the bankruptcy of the Farage Party and the insult to the intelligence of the electorate of fielding the proven corrupt dismissed ex Tory Niel Hamilton is no more than an embarrassment.

As one UKIP insider (with experience as a staffer in the claque) noted recently a good way to achieve prefferment in the Farage Party is to prostitute oneself to promotion!

Swanning around in The EU liberally greasing the wheels is no substitute for achievement and as far as I know was not what was meant by ‘climbing the greasy pole’!

That failed elderly Tories may provide a sad backdrop to the boudoir, the antics of the younger members and their obsession with their ‘members’ merely shows the party for the vile little gaggle of amoral, immoral, racist, abusive, anti homosexual, anti Jewish low lifes they indesputably are.

Check out the track record of the other scum in the EFD and then wonder at how the Farage clique and its claque fit so well in that environment of squalid hate and self enrichment!

My congratulations to We Demand A Referendum and the clarity of their message, as they campaign for an informed debate, as a result of a Royal Commission which shows on an honest and cross party basis the cost benefits of membership of The EU, and a clear set of data on which to devise a Safe, sound and well planned Exit & Survival Strategy (No doubt under Article 50 of the EU constitution).

Then and only then can the peoples of these United Kingdoms vote in a straightforward IN / OUT manner.

To study the Tory Fresh Start one Starts Afresh to reaise it is a ‘device’ with two aims:
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To ensure that at an apposite moment Campbell and his team can announce they WILL hold a referendum on IN / OUT AFTER the General Election thus leaving UKIP (unsurprisingly) with no role, as ever, in domestic politics.
02. The other side of their coin is to work, through George EUstace and other sham EUroPlastics to provide one of the most corrupt and rigged votes in British history, on a par with the utterly dishonest Welsh Devolution vote which Labour LOST had they not undeniably rigged it!

The aim is an IN / OUT vote, BUT with huge funding from The EU, massive intervention from areas of big business who are so well protected by the EU red tape from any emergent business or level playing field for competition (ensuring that ALL the gravy on the gravy train is divied up amongst the usual suspects).

The IN vote will hold a codicil along the lines of:
‘Knowing that The Government will work hard to negotiate the very best deal they can with such powers as they can have repatriated do you wish to styay in the single market protected in the global economy when the New EU Constitution is agreed in 2016’

The codicil to the OUT vote will be along the lines of:
‘Do you wish to be OUT of the EU and denied the opportunity to influence the decision making of the largest market group in the world, and the protection it offers – exposed to the risks of being alone in a global market in a dangerous world?’

Yes that is the level of dishonesty to which the LibLabEUkipCon and their EU chums will sink to, you have seen the first round in cartoon form from Nuttall & Toby Young aided by The State broadcasters in the video above!

Do not forget Nigel Farage is a leader of The Pan EU EFD Group in the EU, a group that welcomes and advocates EU membership, merely seeking reform of certain details!

Nuttall and his chums come across as little more than crass, dishonest, self serving petty crooks and only Nikki Sinclaire has EVER spoken out as an elected UKIP MEP, against their corruption and acted on her principles and just look at the vile way they chose to attack and vilify her, even stooping to lies and attempted setups.

Good luck with the campaign Demanding A Royal Commission, and a fair and equitable debate, thereafter to decide a simple IN / OUT Referendum with equal funding, no hidden codicils, equal media coverage and absolutely no involvement of non UK citizens or their EU money.

Such a pity none of Jimmy Goldsmith’s family or children were big enough to wear his shoes. However let us not forget Jimmy Goldsmith was supping with the Devil as an MEP, and believed in EU membership!

Unlike Churchill who clearly stated that ‘ If the choice was between membership of EUrope and the open sea Britain was best served by taking to the open sea’!

I shall continue to campaign to leave the EU and will continue to do all I can to inform of the corruption of rascals like UKIP leadership clique and its claque.

Just as I will happily expose ANYONE who seeks to abuse the We Demand A Referendum Campaign for their own personal gain. Similarly I will seek to do my best to defend the principles and values I have held all my life and will support these who act honourably in the interest of OUR Country and its peoples of whatever creed, superstition or colour as held within the law.

I trust that honest men and women who actually support these United Kingdoms will do all they can to campaign for a Royal Commission, ensuring a clear answer to the cost benefit issue of EU membership and the drawing up of a simple plausible ‘Exit & Survival Strategy’ to then ensure a free, fair and informed equitable referendum of a simple IN /OUT.

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Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/09/2012

Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

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Harrogate agenda – Update 25-Sep-2012

The DEMANDS!

For the full details, background and regular updates see the >PAGE< as listed above, below the Blog Header, or CLICK HERE!

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I believe that The Harrogate Agenda is a very positive way forward though I do appreciate that it may take a long time to educate the self serving politicians to the FACT that they do actually work for us and as our servants are answerable to us.

Surely they must realise that if they continue to bombastically hold the electorate in contempt as ‘The Plebs’ they are likely to go the same way as so many self important stuffed shirts in the past – The true mark of a Partrician is to ensure those they employ and work for do not feel distanced and demeaned.

Failure to understand the role of leadership and the need to act FOR those one leads, particularly when appointed by them is, as history has shown us, all too often a fatal mistake.

That our public servants, both elected as politicians and appointed as civil servants should consider the outcome of ignoring the electorate and holding them in contempt – the precedents are clear from Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu, to Caesar, Sadam Hussein to Charles I, or Russia’s Czars to Hosni Mubarak, the outcome is all too predictable!

Clearly as soumnd move forward is to campaign as a movement even accepting the tennets of electoral law that insist in your being called a ‘Party’ and capitalise on the crumbs offered by the state, as with free distribution of electoral leaflets, free publicity by airtime with an electoral broadcast etc. etc. and then to vigerously campaign on a cross party basis for:

1. a Royal Commission to establish the cost benefits of In AND Out of The EU.
2. to utilise The Royal Commission details to formulate a sound ‘Exit and Survival Strategy’ to maximise on the benefits of leaving The EU and minimise the dangers and costs.
3. To ensure that to avoid the damage that would be caused by senseless and ignorant confrontation be certain to avoid confrontation by abiding by The Treaty of Vienna and ensuring the EU Constitution is set aside constitutionally by implementing of Article 50 etc.
4. to hold a Referendum on the simple issue of IN or OUT of the EU as members and ensure that the referendum if fair, free, and independent of outside (EU) influence or funding, is held on an informed basis with equal media time and weighting.

These measures do not conflict with The Harrogate Agenda, which becomes ever more important, to ensure that when the people vote, if they vote to Leave-The-EU, as polls indicate they would, the political system is sufficiently altered and robust as to ensure the new incumbents, of government as our servants, do not make all the same errors of judgement and self serving efforts to enrich and empower themselves, yet again!

Harrogate Agenda: definitive text

 Tuesday 25 September 2012

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At the planning meeting at the Old Cock Inn, the group decided on the wording of the six demands which should go forward to our autumn meeting for approval. This text is now available and is as follows:

1. the people are sovereign: the sovereignty of the peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland shall be recognised by the Crown and the government of our nations. The people in their collective form, by giving their consent, comprise the ultimate authority of their nations and the source of all political power;

2. local democracy: the foundation of our democracy shall be the counties (or other local units as may be defined), which shall become constitutional bodies exercising under the control of their peoples all powers of legislation, taxation and administration not specifically granted by the people to the national government;

3.elected prime ministers: to enable separation of power, prime ministers shall be elected by popular vote; they shall appoint their own ministers, with the approval of parliament, to assist in the exercise of such powers as may be granted to them by the sovereign people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; no prime ministers or their ministers shall be members of parliament or any legislative assembly;

4. all legislation subject to consent: no legislation or treaty shall take effect without the direct consent of the majority of the people, by positive vote if so demanded, and that no legislation or treaty shall continue to have effect when that consent is withdrawn by the majority of the people;

5. no taxes or spending without consent: no tax, charge or levy shall be imposed, nor any public spending authorised, nor any sum borrowed by any national or local government except with the express permission of the majority of the people, renewed annually on presentation of a properly authenticated budget which shall first have been approved by their respective legislatures;

6. a constitutional convention: Parliament, once members of the executive are excluded, convenes a constitutional convention to draw up a definitive codified constitution for the people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, which shall recognise their sovereign status and their inherent, inalienable rights and which shall be subject to their approval.

Readers will see, by comparison with the earlier draft, that the differences are very slight, but important. 

If the autumn meeting approves this text, we will then be able to chart a way forward, to gain wider recognition for our Agenda.  Just to have framed and agreed our six demands by then, however, will have been a significant achievement, of which those who participated in the process can feel justly proud. 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 25/09/2012

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it is interesting to note just howmany people in their condemnation of a referendumand its risks so consistently fail to show that there is a methodology to improve the fairness of such referendum.A Referendum will be lost if taken in narrow isolation – I have little doubt of that.

We must always ensure that any referendum is held AFTER a Royal Commission is held, which will be charged with not just a cost benefit study of our membership of The EU and of our leaving with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘.

I am sufficiently certain that a Royal Commission would act responsibly to inform the electorate in detail for a full, fair, evenly funded and evenly promoted referendum that I am happy to say that in its Exit & Survival Strategy it will surely promote the strategy of use of Article 50 as our strategy for exit.

The idiocy of permitting a referendum on government terms without a Royal Commission and with no sound Exit & Survival Strategy disregarding Article 50 would be crass, suicidal and irresponsible.

That we have a need for an Harrogate Agenda or similar is just as indesputable as to move on using the 19th. century style of governance into the 21st. Century will merely lead to the next foolish scam or social engineering as with the oh so arcane, undemocratic and Victorian style concepts of The EU.

Consider, in your study of the concepts and to add balance Richard North’s comments which follow, comments which I incline to support in the context of overlooking the details I have annotated so far:


 EU Referendum: foundering Farage

Saturday 22 September 2012

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“I think we’ve proved that we are a serious party that cares about a lot more than just Europe”, says Harold James, an active UKIP member from Weston-super-Mare, veteran of nine conferences.

Predictably, though, the Spectator is less than impressed, accusing a “Floundering Farage” of struggling a little once “away from his hobby horse of a European Union Referendum”. But, had the magazine been on the ball, it could have observed that Farage was struggling even when riding his hobby horse.

That is the only conclusion one can draw from his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet. His knowledge about the mechanics if the EU was always slight, but in this production he demonstrates that he has not added significantly to his knowledge in the ten years since I worked across a desk from him.

If this was simply a matter of a vainglorious party leader doing what politicians so often do – displaying his ignorance – it would not matter so much. But, as even the Spectator concedes, we are almost certainly looking at a referendum in the not too distant future.

Rigged though it may be – and we could hardly expect otherwise – I have to believe that this referendum is winnable, and that we can successfully deliver a “withdraw from the EU” message to our masters. With contributions such as Farage’s, though, we are set to lose.

To understand why, it is helpful to go back to the debate we were having on Article 50, where we argued that we need to take advantage of the negotiation process offered to draw up a relationship with the EU before finally cutting the knot.

Amongst those who disagreed with this stance was Nigel Farage, one of many who believe that we can unilaterally abrogate the treaties and then expect the “colleagues” to sit down and negotiate with us, without there being any penalty from such action.

Until now, quite how Farage managed to believe that this could be a penalty-free option has escaped me. But, if it is his settled belief that a free trade area can be set up with “a blank piece of paper“, then it is unsurprising that he sets such little store on negotiation – there is only a blank sheet of paper to agree. And that attitude is what is going to lose us the referendum.

The reason why this will happen is because Farage and his supporters are preparing, in an utterly cavalier fashion, to ditch the “single market”, that iconic property which legend has it was breathed into life by the Dragon Queen herself, Margaret Thatcher.

Yet, examine David Cameron’s rhetoric on the European Union and you will notice the emphasis is almost entirely on preserving this mythical beast. To threaten it with extinction is to invite unrestrained enmity from the entire Tory tribe and give hostage to fortune to the other side.

And that is only part of it. The “single market” effectively comprises a huge body of EU law – directives, regulations and decisions – alongside thousands of meticulously crafted standards, which together binds the corporate world and protects it from the cold winds of competition, mainly from small and medium businesses.

Anyone who believes that big business doesn’t like regulation simply knows nothing about big business. As noted in our forum, “complex regulatory structures are a significant barrier to entry, and dominant firms that can afford large compliance departments often lobby for such regulation which prevents the entry of upstart firms”.

And, in their enthusiasm for more and more law, the corporates are the natural partners to the EU. If their precious body of law is threatened by a “no” vote in a referendum, they will pour massive funding into any “yes” campaign.

The best we can possibly hope for from the corporates is their neutrality, which could only be secured – of at all – by assurances that their “single market” is kept intact.

On the other hand, the genius of the EU is the way it has hijacked trade regulation and harnessed it in the service of political integration. In promoting our exit from the EU, therefore, we have to detach the corpus of standards and trade agreements from the community acquis and give it an independent identity.

This, to my mind, is one of the greatest challenges confronting the “outers” in any referendum campaign. It is also one I believe we can deal with by negotiating continued EEA membership – thus keeping the single market intact for at the very least a transitional period, while we sort out better, long-term arrangements.

Whatever might actually be decided though, we cannot afford to ignore the single market, or the rent-seekers who gain so much benefit from it. Allowing a “floundering Farage” to set the pace here would then be to invite a foundering campaign. Protect the single market, or we lose.

COMMENT: “FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT” THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU Referendum: fighting the good fight

Saturday 22 September 2012

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There is a joke amongst economists, Nigel Farage tells us in his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet, that a real free trade agreement can be illustrated by holding up a blank piece of paper.

That, he avers, is because if trade is genuinely free, there are no regulations to follow or tariffs to pay but business people and traders can get on without hindrance or interference in doing business and creating wealth.

Thus, in principle, we are told, “to create a single market or free trade area is incredibly easy if you know what you are doing and think it through. It merely requires an absence of restriction, most easily achieved by the progressive – or instant – dismantling and removal of all existing barriers and tariffs”.

Unfortunately, a regulation-free market is neither desirable nor acceptable, and if this presented as UKIP’s objective for Britain once we leave the EU, it will simply invite the hostility (and derision) of those who understand why much of the regulation at present in force must remain.

One can, or course, make a case of the removal of tariffs and also non-tariff barriers, but it is important to realise how important well-crafted regulation is to international trade.

This can be well illustrated addressing the problems of a banana importer, based in London, buying from growers everywhere in the world to supply wholesale and retail customers throughout Europe.

In the nature of things, the quality of the product will vary and with it price. It has thus long been the sensible habit of shippers to use grading schemes – a common language between buyer and seller – so that the nature of any transaction is fully understood.

This does make sense. Our putative buyer, who might decide to purchase a load from Jamaica, may wish to order Grade A bananas, sight unseen. And, as long as an agreed grading scheme is applied, he will know exactly what to expect for his money.

There could be problems, though, if he wished to buy Grade A bananas from Costa Rica and that country operated a different grading scheme. National authorities in some countries could even give their exporters a price advantage by setting more relaxed standards, while still allowing produce to be called Grade A, to the detriment of buyer and consumer.

More complications arise if different consumer countries dictate their own specific standards, thus leaving our putative importer being able to buy produce from one country which he can then sell in some countries but not others. Thus, each country having different standards – whether producer or consumer – is a recipe for chaos.

On that basis, it makes absolute sense to have international standards.for commodities which are traded internationally. And for them to work, they must be common standards that are known and recognised by buyers and sellers alike.

Such standards are not in any way a restraint on trade – quite the reverse. When properly and sensitively crafted, they facilitate trade and are seen, overall, as beneficial. As such, they are a necessary precursor to free trade. Clearly, that applies here with South African bananas.

This being the case, it is unsurprising that many commodity standards pre-date EU regulations. In fact, much of the current EU legislation for agricultural produce is based on a British model developed long before we joined the EEC. Even in the land of the free, the United States, agricultural produce for inter-state commerce was being regulated as early as 1880.

Nor is it a surprise that much regulation is actively sought after by the trade itself. Take meat safety, for instance. Few people realise that official inspection did not become compulsory in this country until 1963 yet, for decades before that, producers had voluntarily paid for inspection as a measure to improve consumer confidence in their products.

And when, in 1964, the Six in the then EEC imposed mandatory inspection of imported meat, to be carried out at the point of slaughter, the system was based on a regime developed by the British. It had been imposed in response to the Aberdeen typhoid outbreak, which had been linked to Argentinean corned beef, again to promote confidence in international trade.

The important thing, therefore, is not the absence of regulation, but the right sort of regulation – sufficient for the purpose and not too onerous – applied only where it is needed. Where the EU most often went wrong was (and is) in applying export standards to internal trade or – where grading regulations was applied – prohibiting trade in ungraded produce. 

 
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To an extent, this is being addressed, with the EU progressively relaxing standards (allowing misshapen fruit and vegetables), so some of the the issues that Farage raise in his pamphlet have less force anyway.

That aside, regulation does not only apply to goods, but also services such as air travel. Here for instance, if we look at requirements for commercial aviation, we see minimum regulations applied to the equipment required by airliners to enable them to land in reduced visibility conditions.

Knowing Farage’s intimate acquaintance with aviation safety, one suspects he would not want to see such regulations removed or weakened. Would he really be happy with a blank piece of paper when it came to his flying to Strasbourg to pick up his expenses?

Thus, the real issue is that, even if reduced, a huge tranche of trade regulation will remain. It cannot be wished away. We thus have to find a way of dealing with the continuing process of adding, modifying and adapting trade regulations while outside the EU yet still trading with its member states.

In this context, to pretend that we can live without trade regulation is not helpful to the cause. We need more sophisticated arguments to carry the doubters, coming up with real world solutions that demonstrate our understanding of the realities of modern international trade. Farage’s fluff simply isn’t good enough.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU referendum: delaying the inevitable

Friday 21 September 2012

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Farage put his finger on the Cameron dilemma this morning, pointing to the Conservative leader’s credibility gap when it comes to promising a referendum.

Talking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, he said that he would only consider making a deal if it was “written in blood” that there would be a[n in-out] referendum on Britiain’s EU membership.

What was not raised though – not here or in an earlier programme – is how different the political landscape will look in 2014 when the euro-elections are due to be held. Thus, although Farage consistently claims rising support for his party, he and his followers may be disappointed when it comes to the elections.

Not least, the much lauded poll ratings consistently fail to materialise as votes in real elections.

For instance, in one recent council by-election, Canterbury City – Blean Fores, the Conservatives took 342, Labour 185, Lib-Dem 121, Green 64, UKIP 38 and Independent 24. Cornwall County – St Keverne and Meneage, had the Tories on 585, Lib-Dems 279, UKIP 141 and Labour increasing to 52 (from 33 in June 2009). Scarborough Borough – Esk Valley gave the Tories 606 votes, Independent 151 (down from 417 in May 2011), Labour 87 and UKIP 35.

So consistent is this experience that one can discount the UKIP election hyperbole. And, to make matters worse, there is recently another factor in play. As the Independent reports, in all the recent by-elections, both Labour and Conservatives scored “landslide gains” at the expense of independents.

We may thus be seeing precisely that which we have seen in Germany and in the recent Dutch elections – the classic small-party squeeze, which is so often apparent when times are uncertain. And where the UK election is shaping up for a battle between two unpopular personalities, perversely, that tendency might be accentuated.

In recent years, however, the euro-elections have obeyed their own rules, and Farage might confidently expect a good showing for UKIP in 2014. But again there is another factor at play: Barroso has committed to publishing proposals for a new treaty before the euro-elections. With the commission president determined to make this an EU election issue, electioneering could be sufficiently transformed to make it mainstream – to the detriment of UKIP.

With Cameron planning a major speech on European policy next month, he may well take the opportunity then to commit to a referendum, contingent or renegotiations arising out of the treaty process, essentially marginalising UKIP and its pretender, the “We demand a referendum” party.

Here, the Conservatives are in a much stronger position, as polls on EU sentiment tend to show that the renegotiation option (however unrealistic) is popular with the voters, and Cameron can rely on the “referendum lock” to demonstrate his good faith. He does not need to make a promise “written in blood”, he may say, when it is written into an Act of Parliament.

This does not stop speculation elsewhere about electoral pacts with UKIP, from the usual ill-informed suspects, who currently don’t seem to understand that the chances of a referendum before 2016 are slight. In all probability, we are looking at 2017 or beyond.

Those, like Nikki Sinclair’s little party – which has dreams of a referendum in 2014 – clearly fail to realise that Cameron can use for an alibi, active engagement in EU negotiations. No sensible person could expect a referendum while negotiations are still in progress.

To that extent, also, the Tory europlastics are beginning to outflank the “outers”. Knowing that renegotiation is more popular with the public than the straight “out” option, they have concentrated their firepower where success is most likely. That could well leave Farage and his supporters stranded, being faced with fighting a referendum in the distant future for which they are singularly ill-prepared.

The “outer” fraternity thus looks doomed to get what it wished for. And unless Farage stops whingeing about how the contest might be rigged, and starts working out how to win the referendum we’re going to get, rather than the one UKIP wants, the wish granted could prove his nemesis.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012


 Politics: another one doesn’t get it

Friday 21 September 2012

Lamenting the decline of political parties, a Failygraph hack still believes there is a remedy. “The answer is fairly simple”, he writes, “To recover, political leaders need to come up with radical and original ideas that enough people think are worth supporting”. The man simply doesn’t get it. If they could have done so, they would already have done so. They cannot, because it is not in their nature. But, if you want radical and original ideas, they are there, in the Harrogate Agenda. And that rather illustrates why political parties must continue declining – together with their cheerleaders in the media.

However, not all is lost. The man at least understands that we are now the mainstream. “No matter who wins the next election, it is likely that abstainers will outnumber those voting for the winning party”, he writes. But that has been the case for a long time. Why is it taking them so long to realise? 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012



 EU referendum: strategy is the problem

Thursday 20 September 2012

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In a well-judged intervention, Cranmer tells us that the Eurosceptic “movement” (if it be) is fundamentally a clash of gargantuan egos, none of whom will deign to co-operate or collaborate with their co-eurosceptics, principally out of a lack of trust, belief or respect.

So, His Grace tells us, with a referendum on the next EU treaty looming – and, as sure as night follows day, it is coming – please don’t expect political coherence or campaigning strategy from the Conservatives, UKIP, the Democracy Movement, the Campaign for United Kingdom Conservatism, Better off Out, Campaign for an Independent Britain, the Freedom Association, or the Liberty League.

Frankly, he says, you have more hope of persuading a Wahhabi Sunni to sup with an Ahmadiyyan and plant the cornerstone of a new mosque. If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand: the referendum may already be lost.

Hesitant as one is to disagree with His Grace, one has to say that he is wrong. This is not a matter of egos, gargantuan or otherwise, but of strategy. Egos we could cope with. The more profound differences over strategy are far more problematical.

Courtesy of Witterings from Witney, we see demonstrated precisely the point in the recent adjournment debate led by Tory MP Andrea Leadsom.

This is a woman who is determined that we should “renegotiate our EU membership – to remain within the EU but to have our absolutely best attempt at renegotiating a relationship that works for Britain, with full and free access to all EU assets, but without being hampered in a global world by EU regulation”. What she wants, she tells us, is “fundamental reform”.

No red-blooded eurosceptic could begin to agree with such a europlastic view, but within the debate there was also David Nuttall, Tory MP for Bury North. As chairman of the Lords and Commons “Better Off Out” group, he wants us to repatriate all powers from the EU.

We would have no difficulty in accepting this desirable objective, except that Nuttall does not think we are likely to be given the choice of an in-out referendum. He thinks we are more likely to get an in/in referendum: the choice of the status quo – staying in as we are now or staying in with 17/20, 18/20 or 19/20 of the status quo and repatriating a few powers.

The trouble is, as Leadsom points out, while a July 2012 YouGov survey had 48 percent wanting to pull out and 31 percent wanting to stay in the EU, if a new deal was renegotiated, the poll suggests that people would vote in a completely different way. Most – 42-34 percent – would vote to stay in the EU.

This is the eurosceptic nightmare: a referendum offering not the in-out option but the “reform-out” option. This would be very hard to win. Strategy becomes absolutely vital.

Then, as WfW reminds us, there is the Lilley point: during a referendum campaign, on average there is a 17 percent swing back in favour of the status quo. This means it is necessary to start with a 34 percent lead for change to have a 50 percent chance of winning. Starting with roughly half of people being in favour of leaving and a third in favour of staying would result in a vote to remain in the EU.

Problematically, though, our people are not thinking strategically. Under these circumstances, the Minford idea of unilateral withdrawal, followed by negotiation, would be a disaster. The uncertainties would drive voters into the EU camp.

Yet, despite the potential for disaster, this is the preferred UKIP option, and the guardians of the message are quick to stamp on dissident thought. There is no debate in this “outer” fraternity. You either conform with the approved message or you are consigned to outer darkness as a “traitor”. 

 
Nor is there any recognition of the “Stokes precept”, from Richard Stokes, the Labour MP for Ipswich, who on 15 October 1940 told the House of Commons in a debate on war aims that it “… is no use fighting for a negative object. You must have a positive one, and the sooner that [is] stated the better”. To gain a broader acceptance from the majority of the population that we should leave the EU, we must be able to offer a positive object. Simply to fight on the negative one of leaving the EU is not enough. And just to argue for a referendum, without the first idea of how you would win it, is suicide.

Those who refuse to accept this, who robustly argue simply for unilateral withdrawal and expect the nation to rally to that cause, are part of the problem – as much as those like Leadsom, who are arguing for “fundamental reform”. Egos really don’t matter. It cannot be emphasised enough that what counts is strategy.

Sadly, while the old saw, “divided we fall” may be true, uniting behind the wrong strategy could be just as fatal. We thus face the prospect of “united we fall, divided we fall”. Even so, there is time yet to mend our ways. We should take the opportunity while we can, if we can.

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UKIP Comes Out In Support of Campaign For A Referendum

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 21/09/2012

UKIP Comes Out In Support of Campaign For A Referendum

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

UKIP Comes Out In Support of Campaign For A Referendum!

Nigel Farage expresses support for an IN / OUT Referendum on BBC News on the first day of UKIP’s annual promotional conference!

CLEARLY any other policies would be prostituted to such a cause as he has stated he would join with either Tories or Labour if they promised such a referendum on a fair basis!

So much for all UKIP’s claims of having policies on many issues!

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Good to see Team Sinclaire’s ‘Campaign for a Royal Commission‘ and subsequent informed, free, fair and equally funded and media promoted IN / OUT Referendum to ‘Let-The-People-Decide’ has moved Nigel Farage’s party to having to put an IN / OUT Referendum center stage, in interviews (BBC News this morning), on the first full day of their annual Farage feste/conference.I note UKIP’s most successful ever leader, the retired MEP & resigned ex Tory MP for Stroud, Roger Knappman has thrown his not inconsiderable weight behind Team Sinclaire together with the ex UKIP NEC member and leadership contender Del Young.

Katie Hopkins’ first political TV interview on the issue also went well, where Paul Nuttall volunteered the information that UKIP were indeed worried about the effect on their vote, and well they should be, having achieved virtually nothing of note since the success of Roger Knappman’s campaign of 2004 which raised membership to almost 30,000 and raise the number of MEPs to 12.

That UKIP needs to keep recruiting failed Tories and disafected old men, who have been dumped by the Tories, speaks volumes of their collapse – having failed to recruit ANYONE of any political or intellectual gravitas for a considerable time sadly but unsurprisingly.

That they have Finnish speakers and others on the EU gravy train speaking at their conference speaks volumes of their ‘values’, at a time where even their own MEPs concede they are failing and with liars & cheats who have betrayed their country like Derek Clark who was ordered to pay back 0ver £30,000 he hadtaken from the tax payers and then lied to his own Regional Committee and defamed both this blog and mine – it is the simple self serving criminality of UKIP that is called into question. not just their lack of intellectual rigour and ethics!

Let us face it, although it gets publicity, leaping up and down like an over sexed chihuahua with an ankle in sight, consorting with prostitutes, urinating in flower pots and copulating in the street has done UKIP’s credibility immense harm. As has the constant stream of childish abuse of anyone who dares criticise their views and antics shows clearly, in its defamatory and cowardly nature, just how intellectually challenged UKIP is and just how they have become a part of the problem with little relevance in the solution.

UKIP has made it clear that were it ever to gain power of ANY sort it would abuse legal processes, ignore the law, shelter behind the skirts of The EU, bully and abuse opponents and seek libertine rather than libertarian policies and rights! Employing its own secret police to enforce its will just as it uses the cowardice of anonymity amongst its protagonists.

Sadly UKIP in its present form neither uphold nor has values that I or anyone with any understanding of ethics or integrity would consider British and of value!

Insulting and defamatory parliamentary language and behaviour has moved UKIP from relevance to inconsequence – just as with the small boy who makes rude noises when teachers back is turned may gain the popularity of fools in the class but such showing off gains no reliable friends of any consequence!

Richard North has Farage’s number!:

 Politics: unparliamentary behaviour

 Wednesday 19 September 2012

For someone who has ambitions of being elected to the House of Commons, Nigel Farage seems to have remarkably little idea of what constitutes acceptable parliamentary behaviour. Since almost the dawn of time, “unparliamentary language” has been prohibited in most legislatures in the free world, even Canada. For Mr Farage then to confuse such constraints with restraints on freedom of speech rather says more about him than the EU Parliament. Had he been elected to the Commons and he had tried it on there, such behaviour would have had a similar response.

Richard North 19/09/2012


As for the results of the Farage party in domestic elections one need only consider the risible outcomes, where they still have less than 30 elected members of ANY significance out of 19,500 electable seats in British politics – it is hardly surprising that Marta Andreassen, who Nigel Farage cheated and lied about to get elected, published an open letter calling for Farage to resign due to the catastrtophic outcome of the local elections.

To this day in by elections their results do not even begin to measure up to the polls they much exploit, when in reality at the ballot box they achieve a pretty consistent 3-5% in the seats they are able to find candidates for!

One need only consider the appalling low grade, poor standard and transparent personal ambitions of those they do get elected to realise UKIP is not only no closer to representation at Westminster, which requires around 25%+ in a given seat, but would enhance their chances were they to dump some, if not most, of the dishonest, abusive low lifes they have in office, who bring UKIP into disrepute with depressing consistency!

UKIP’s over racism, anti homosexuality and willingness to collude and co-operate with those in the vilest of gutters in EUropean politics speaks volumes of the caliber and self image of UKIP and its sordid leadership team!

Let us hope the Campaign for a Royal Commission and Referendum to Let-The-People-Decide on a straightforward IN / OUT question equally funded with equal media coverage and promotion gains the support of all of UKIP’s members who value the right to self determination, whether UKIP’s leadership seek to destroy the campaign for their personal gain or jump on the band wagon built by Team Sinclaire is, like UKIP under its present leadership clique and its claque, a complete irrelevance!.

The Royal Commission will go a long way to provide a Responsible Exit & Survival Strategy which should have been drawn up and publicised by EVERY responsible main stream political party, as a contingency plan, long ago.

We heard Mervyn King on Channel 4 News clearly state that such a plan has been drawn up by The Bank of England for the contingency of The EUro collapsing! We know the unelected leaders of The EU believe that if the single currency collapses then they believe the entire social experiment may well collapse – Just where is Government’s contingency plan?

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What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.
Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that goal of unanimity in aim!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

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Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

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Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
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GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Deny the self serving political clique ANY Democratic claims to legitimacy
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&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

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Westminster Hall 05-Oct-2012

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/09/2012

Westminster Hall 05-Oct-2012#000* – HERE IS A TEMPLATE SHORT INDEX TITLE

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

Westminster Hall 05-Oct-2012

The Inaugural Conference of:
The Campaign For A Referendum
&
Let The People Decide.

We ARE entitled to
A ROYAL COMMISSION
& SELF DETERMINATION
on a fair & informed basis!

Will this be the NEW Campaigns British mascot:

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Hi,

let us be sure that the self serving, self enriching clowns at UKIP do not dishonestly try to claim any part in this venture and drag it down to their gutter level of politics.

The two petitions, which have far outstripped others of a similar nature, now have around 1/4 Million signatures and have already forced HMGov. to hold a full parliamentary debate – all this has been achieved by team Sinclaire by use of her own money, her own initiative and her legitimate expenses AND despite the efforts of UKIP leadership to block her and defame her at every chance in the most cowardly and underhand manner bringing shame on UKIP but failing to prevent her working to Leave-The-EU and let the people decide.

Think how much could have been achieved if UKIP had pulled its weight rather than dedicate itself to lies, cowardly attacks, dishonest anonymous self seekers and self enrichment for a few!

UKIP no longer has any relevance in British domestic politics as shown by their risible results in the local elections and general elections where they average out at about 3-5% of the vote when to gain seats one needs a fairly consistent 25% or about there as shown by the poor achievements of the LibDims who consistently get votes way higher than UKIP except in a few seats and a few irrelevant polls.

UKIP have shown they have no leadership abilities as they stumble along stuffing their pockets, their staff, their ad agencies and providing endless examples of the Dilbert principle.

Even their conference is dependent on ‘bringing in’ foreigners to explain – frankly who cares how Finland governs its little benighted nation – why would we care any more how Finland, Belgium, Denmark or the like are governed IT IS THEIR CHOICE!

Who cares what a middle aged EU lobbyist who makes their income from exploiting the EU has to say?

I don’t want the advice manufactured by a dishonest, libertine and corrupt screaming pervert in a press office nor the so called agency work of a highly strung well publicised libertine lass willing to lie and deceive to sleep her way around the beds of politicians old enough to be her father, nay even grandfather, to gain income and status at the public expense.

UKIP represents no British values that I would be proud to hold or uphold under its present utterly corrupt leadership clique and its claque.

This NEW initiative is NOT some kind of spoiler for UKIP as firstly its core is made up of people who want no part of being a broad based Political Party – they do NOT have ambitions to enrich themselves from the public purse – just look at howmany staff Nikki Sinclaire supports on her team as an MEP and compare it with the numbers and family members on UKIP’s staff!

Then consider the open transparency of Sinclaire’s accounts relative to the clandestine obfuscation of UKIP MEPs such as Farage where it is only via leaks and media exposure that the public get to hear of the obscene overpayment of Derek Clark’s resident drunk!

Or the theft of public money that was ordered repaid by criminals like Tom Wise and also Graham Booth, Jeffrey Titford, Nigel Farage, Derek Clark and no doubt others & of course the boasting of crimuinality by Tom Wise, Stuart Agnew and no doubt others.

Then of couyrse there is the plastic EUroSceptic Roger Helmer who is in it for all he can make even boasting to the meduia that he had made application to have his home repositioned by the EU so that he could milk off yet more travel expenses – little wonder he was so keen on supporting Tom Wise and has been ‘Swanning’ around rather than doing anything honourable – he is now of course part of the racist, anti homosexual, anti Jewish xenophobes in the gutter of EU politics with the pan EU EFD group which UKIP milks for all it can!

It was not until the media passed on the facts that UKIP members learned that Bloom was paying family and friends as staff nor that Farage was paying his wife Kirsten £30,000 a year and even his office didn’t know and didn’t know what ‘Work’ she did for UKIP for that money!

There is no doubt that the NEW Group uis NOT a spoiler for UKIP but UKIP have lied, che3ated and defamed Nikki Sinclaire and others to keep their own snouts in the EU trough where it is impossible to identify anything of note they have done in 20 years towards Leave-The-EU despite the many £Millions of public money they have trousered!

We hear from leaks that despite an incredibly generous PRIVATE HEALTH scheme for MEPs Nigel Farage had the cheek to stick members of UKIP (many of whom are unemployed and pensioners) with his health bills when he was in an accident and even set out to claim every penny he could from Justin Adam’s insurance for the ACCIDENT!

Funny how UKIP & the public purse fund his stupidities but when he wins anything it seems to wind up in his personal pocket and overseas bank accounts!

The NEW group is campaigning for a Referendum based on a level playing field, input to the questions, A Royal Commission and THEN Let The People Decide.

The NEW group is NOT a challenge to UKIP because UKIP is clearly only interested in the self enrichment of their so called leadership clique and the support of their claque.

Good luck to the NEW initiative.

Those of us who actually want to Leave-The-EU have every reason to aid and support the NEW initiative – those who want to play politics and try to get their snouts in the troughs on the gravy train are and should be better served by UKIP.

Meanwhile other serious initiatives like The Harrogate Agenda plod on with hard work and little reward on the way to their set agenda and also deserve our support.

You will have noted that the NEW Group’s inagural conference is scheduled for 11:00hrs. on 05-Oct-2012 at The Westminster Hall.

Let us all hope that team Sinclaire will receive the support they deserve for their efforts to date.

I gather the NEW group welcomes the membership & support of anyone eligible to vote in these United Kingdoms, but precludes those who have held office or have been candidates for extremist parties, including those who espouse racism, xenophobia, violence and anti homosexual or anti creed doctrines tantamount to hate crimes!

And rightly so in my opinion.

All I can say is GOOD LUCK in this bold effort to work to Leave-The-EU.

Yes I know there are risks in holding a referendum especially for the faint hearted 😉

Yes we know thst ‘Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas’ nor Islam choose pigs for banquets!

However I believe team Sinclaire are ensuring the issues are kept alive, looking for sound thought out ‘Exit & Survival Strategies’ and seeking to ensure equal funding and equal media time for the YES & the NO campaign with an agreed question and based on the outcome of a Royal Commission – We all know, and 71% of the electorate doi not trust OUR OWN politicians on matters EU, yes we know the pro EU membership will lie, cheat and hugely overfund their campaign via drafting in armies of EU apparatchicks as they did in Ireland and pouring money in in clandestine manner as they do.

The EU squanders £Billions of OUR money to desperately try to sell us their sordid experiments and scams – They will cheat their propaganda spend is almost unlimited!
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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.
Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that goal of unanimity in aim!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Deny the self serving political clique ANY Democratic claims to legitimacy
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
.
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

tel: 01594 – 528 337
Accuracy & Copyright Statement: CLICK HERE
Summary, archive, facts & comments on UKIP: http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.com
DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar< & The Top Bar >PAGES<
Also:
Details & Links: http://GregLanceWatkins.Blogspot.com
UKIP Its ASSOCIATES & DETAILS: CLICK HERE
Views I almost Totally Share: CLICK HERE
General Stuff archive: http://gl-w.blogspot.com
General Stuff ongoing: http://gl-w.com
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com
TWITTER: Greg_LW

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