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UKIP’s Underlying Corruption & Dishonest Claque

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/08/2012

UKIP’s Underlying Corruption & Dishonest Claque

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ADDITION on 27-Aug-2012:
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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

UKIP’s Underlying Corruption & Dishonest Claque!
Again and again the dishonesty of UKIP’s spokesmen and women, whether acting as cowards with false names or the likes of low lifes such as Mick McGough, Gerard Batten, Kevin Mahoney, Derek Clark, Douglas Denny, Bob Feel Martinis, Stuart Parr or similar unethical posters – The name of EUroScepticism is befouled and UKIP shown for what it really is!

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Hi,
consider the following unprincipled and dishonest posting, on Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled forum ,which has been drawn to my attention by an annoyed and embarrassed UKIP supporter:
If one was to take a trip to Mr Warry’s own lengthy thread of over 100 pages called UKIP v EUKIP (sic), one might find criticisms of several prominent UKIP personnel and indeed if one was looking for links to dubious and/or false information linked by Mr Warry, one should venture to the same thread, which contains a link to some seriously dubious and probably false allegations against Mr Batten. Allegations, I might add, that have have been so shocking that the author(s) have decided to go on an extended vacation, arguably to keep their heads down. That is just one example. I think it serves as a shining example of Mr Warry’s almost urgent need to criticise UKIP, even when the claims are at least contentious Mr Morson – my attention was drawn as I have seen on several occasions on this forum accusations of crime and of police investigations, often without sources – again, I accept that it’s up to us forum members to protest about rule violations but those rules in particular seem to be broken frequently on the UKIP pages
In response to the foolish and cowardly parasite of UKIP too ashamed to put his name to his serially dishonest, misleading and offensive posturing in defence of the criminality, lies, frauds and ethical failures of UKIP – which highlight the corruption and provenance that not only is UKIP unfit for purpose but as the electorate have shown time after time they are unfit for public office in British domestic politics with less than 30 elected seats out of some 19,500 possible!
Geoffrey Collier, a long term honourable and proven reliable supporter of UKIP comments on the corruption of the cowardly comments of the false named low life fot UKIP as follows:
How exacting must your sources be?
Do convictions at Westminster Magistrates Court and Southwark Crown Court count as reliable sources?
What about drink-drive offence convictions, at Boston Magistrates Court?
What about nationally reported arrests in the West Midlands?
The Huffington Post recorded OLAF re-payments by a UKIP MEP concerning his unlawful use of EU funds: does that count?
What about convictions for benefit fraud at Newcastle Magistrates, against someone who subsequently was a UKIP press officer?
What about the confession by a UKIP MEP, reported in the national press that he, despite knowing its a crime, diverts EU funding to pay for UKIP staff?
He also named a colleague who does likewise? What about a current NEC member, formerly a MP, who took payments for asking parliamentary questions?
Against the evidence, you should stand amazed at the ‘posters’ moderation. Tolerating crime is UKIP members first test of party loyalty
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We all suffer the lies, abuse and distortions of the likes of Mick McGough, Stuart Parr, Douglas Denny, Derek Clark, Gerard Batten and others and the corrupt and cowardly claque seeking to gain status, whilst too ashamed to put their names to their distortions and lies.
Let us look at the example above which was brought to my attention by a UKIP supporter; who like myself wishes to see UKIP cleaned-up and made fit for purpose, by removal of the obvious scum that has floated to the top in the UKIP leadership septic tank!
So to fisk the lies of the anonymous cowardly commentator who is taking advantage of the utterly corrupted platform of the unethical and dishonest Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled Forum:
“If one was to take a trip to Mr Warry’s own lengthy thread of over 100 pages called UKIP v EUKIP (sic),”
Which it is noted has proved so popular that so far it has had 39,644 views and 1,084 posts & is far and away one of the most popular posts regarding UKIP on the entire UKIP controlled Forum, which Anthony Butcher owns and manages.
Interestingly it would seem that the most interesting topics regarding UKIP would be Junius and myself in one form or another either when others reiterate the facts posted on our blogs to widen the dissemination – or in desperate and dishonest efforts of UKIP’s self serving leadership and claque to pretend that what we have said is untrue – yet to date they have NEVER once provided a single solitary example of any consequential or deliberate effort on our part to mislead or lie relative to UKIP or its odious failed leadership and its self serving claque.
“one might find criticisms of several prominent UKIP personnel”
And as Niall Warry has pointed out ‘only dictators will not tollerate criticism’ – to which I might add were there not so very many features to criticise and were not UKIP so unarguably corrupt, dishonest, self serving and criminally inclined Junius and I would have nothing about which to write and we could continue and redouble our efforts to expose the corruption of The EU which has so enthralled and bedazled UKIP with its glittering lifestyle and constant over generous bribes that as Junius posters have said – ‘there is little point in further exposing UKIP on a regular basis as they are so befouled as to be of no further relevance in British domestic politics and have long been something of an inconsequential joke in The EU’.
“and indeed if one was looking for links to dubious and/or false information linked by Mr Warry, one should venture to the same thread,”
A wild and dishonest claim by the coward propping up the corruption in UKIP.
Were there ANY veracity in the false claim he has dishonestly made whilst sheltering in cowardly shame behind a false identity he would manage to identify these claimed falsehoods and show their consequential inaccuracy.
He might in many 1,000s of postings I have made manage to identify any consequential error – without of course taking it out of context to distort it to dishonestly mislead his fan club!
The reference (URL) to identify any error I may inadvertantly have made would be welcome as then such CLAIMED error could be corrected and clarified!
“which contains a link to some seriously dubious and probably false allegations against Mr Batten.”
Oh indeed Gerard Batten would seem to have made some VERY dubious claims – he even set out to waste Police time in an effort to suppress the truth and distort the facts, in abuse of his position of trust as an elected public servant.
Indeed there are some very serious claims made about the clearly dubious, if not outright revolting, behaviour of Gerard Batten.
That Gerard Batten nor his legal representatives have made any honest or ethical effort to seek correction, nor request right of reply, nor seek removal, nor demand apology clearly indicates that in substance, if not in detail also, the published claims of Jasna Badzak would seem to be true and thus Junius would obviously have the absolute right of defence on the grounds of ‘veritas’ – though I appreciate that a part of the very law that UKIP upholds in The EU in that it has not clearly and with determination opposed it is the fact that under ‘Corpus Juris’ increasingly the truth is not a defence!
It is possible that by use of EU law Gerard Batten could again lie about the circumstances and facts to gain a dishonest resolution by abusing his elected office in his own sordid interests – which as we all know he has proved willing to do in the past.
“Allegations, I might add, that have have been so shocking that the author(s) have decided to go on an extended vacation, arguably to keep their heads down.”
‘Arguably’ – surely only a fool would use so dishonest an argument.
We know EXACTLY why Junius is no longer posting regularly and I can assure you, as I have, that it has absolutely nothing to do with the facts provided by Jasna Badzak which in good faith Junius, having proved various points were 100% true then published.
The diminution of tyhe postings by Junius are however in part due to the odious behaviour of the likes of Batten and the serial propensity of UKIP’s leadership to steal from the public purse and consort and allie themselves with criminals and low lifes of similar standards – effectively ensuring that without radical action to remove almost all of its leading lights UKIP is little more than a bad smell befouling politics and has done more to sabotage the EUroSceptic cause than any other group, party or individual.
It will take a considerable time to recover from the damage done to these United Kingdoms by the greed, dishonesty, corruption and vile behaviour of the low lifes leading UKIP and its claque of self serving and dishonest bullying so called supporters.
“That is just one example.”
Clearly not the nost plausible or sensible example!
“I think it serves as a shining example of Mr Warry’s almost urgent need to criticise UKIP,”
Indeed there is an urgent need to expose the corruption of and within UKIP and to repeat the facts again, and again, and again, and again – until ALL are aware of the treachery and betrayal of Britaimn by this underclass of so called politicians and their parasites.
“even when the claims are at least contentious”
Clearly it is and always has been contentious to some, particularly the corrupt and those without ethics, to expose the duplicity and dishonesty of the likes of UKIP as they feed with greed at the troughs and are of such abysmally self serving low grade and gravitas.
& then the coward – after being called to task on his selective reading of the rules by Steve Morson replied:

“Mr Morson – my attention was drawn as I have seen on several occasions on this forum accusations of crime and of police investigations,”

Of course the foolish little coward has seen numerous accusations of criminality on the part of UKIP leadership, staff and senior members – There have been numerous such criminal acts and various police investigations and OLAF investigations and also Court cases (most of which UKIP seem to have lost!).
UKIP’s track record of fraud, dishonesty, abuse of public funds, abuse of office and utter incompetence is indisputable and sadly in proportion to their tiny number of elected officials is incredibly high in comparison to either of the main parties.
Criminality and corruption in UKIP is high by even minor partyies like The Lib.Dims., Greens or even it seems The BNP – or for that matter Plaid or The SNP – NOT a very good track record and clearly not espousing what one would hope were ‘British’ values.
Indeed, YES the coward who set out to attack Niall Warry, Junius and myself has accidentally and clusively shot UKIP not only in both feet but right between the eyes in drawing attention so clearly to their extensive criminal record and record as liars, cheats and cowards acting it seems in self interest and greed.
“often without sources – again,”
Perhaps rather than a cowardly ’round house’ swipe the cowardly spokesman seeking to mislead in defence of UKIP leadership could site a few examples as I am morally certain that Junius and I have ALWAYS provided accurate information despite the squeals of protestation from UKIP’s leadership claque and its parasites – we have consistently provided Case Numbers and OLAF investigation numbers – we have always endeavoured, unlike this odious coward, to provide corroborative factual details.
Many will recall the screams of derision and endless lies from UKIP’s claque in defence of Tom Wise’s criminality and the fact that UKIP kept him as a member and an MEP right up until Tom Wise’s refusal to renew his membership immediately before the elec tions at the end of his period in elected office despite the serial lies to the contrary, frequently on the media, by Nigel Farage and UKIP staff members and officers.
Many will also remember that Tom Wise spent £8,000 of the money he had stolen on solicitors, seeking to suppress the facts and deny the truth by legal effortys taken against me for telling the truth and providing the facts that eventually saw him sentenced to 2 years in prison for the fraud he entered into with the help of Lindsay Jenkins, who was fortunate enough to have the case against her dropped when Tom Wise eventually pleaded guilty!
Although the cowardly commentator implies sources aren’t provided the sources of the facts published regarding Derek Clark’s abuse of public funds, together with the OL:AF case numbers were provided – That Derek Clark lied to try to claim it was not true speaks volumes of the standards of integrity of UKIP and its leadership – not content with his fraud Derek Clark compounded the crime with lies to his regional committee, the members and the electorate and despite bringing UKIP into disrepute in the most clear of ways UKIP’s values indicated they were happy that he was a tyheif who had been ordered to repay money he had fraudulently spent and also UKIP seem happy to have a proven liar as an MEP and member of their leadership.
I guess with liars and cheats like Mick McGough, Stuart Agnew, David Bannerman, Gerard Batten, Nigel Farage etc. on UKIP’s leadership team Derek Clark is just another grubby little liar!
I look forward to the coward providing facts to back what would seem to be a very dishonest attempt to mislead people and corruptly and dishonestly defame Niall Warry, Junius and myself.
“I accept that it’s up to us forum members to protest about rule violations”
Though in view of just how corrupt Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled forum is I find it unlikely the coward will be called to account for his dishonest and corrupt attempt to mislead.
“but those rules in particular seem to be broken frequently on the UKIP pages”
& clearly it is the liars, cheats, low lifes and cowards seeking to justify the ineptitude, criminality and serial offences of UKIP that most frequently exploit the ‘convenient’ laxity.
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Regards,

Greg_L-W.

ADDITION on 27-Aug-2012:

Astonishingly as if to prove the utter stupidity and duplicity of the original poster showing the calliber of UKIP’s low life leadership claque – The coward who made that post clarified their dishonesty and reason for being too ashamed of their behaviour to put their name to their silly and duplicitous comments seeking to try to justify their original idiocy by posting this response:

“Mr Warry, your point could just as easily apply to Mr Lance-Watkins as it would Mr Farage. And just to prove my point, Mr Lance-Watkins has gone off on a rant about me on his sordid site. He appears to not want lights shone too brightly on his actions and wishes to belittle his critics. A bit like your allegations against Mr Farage. Does THAT ring any bells with you sir?”

 

Little wonder so few people consider UKIP of any relevance in British domestic  politics!

To further fisk and clarify the cowardly fool:

“Mr Warry, your point could just as easily apply to Mr Lance-Watkins as it would Mr Farage.”

Let us get a few FACTS in place:

Firstly I do not hold elected office.

Secondly I have never been ordered to repay money to the public purse which I have used fraudulently or unlawfully.

i seek no public office.

I make no pretence or representing others.

I am not a highly remunerated public servant.

I have never trousered £2million of public money.

I have never held bank accounts in tax havens for personal gain.

I have NEVER alied myself with racists, anti Jewish, anti homosexual, criminals nor sought personal financial gain from the pretence of representing others!

 

Perhaps the duplicitous critic could try to show what the relevance of his cowardly posting is – or will he continue to mislead whilst sheltering in anonymity?

 

“And just to prove my point, Mr Lance-Watkins has gone off on a rant about me on his sordid site.”

Indeed I havecommented as I hold such dishonesty in absolute contempt and find cowardice of that ilk to be a dishonourable obscenity.

 

“He appears to not want lights shone too brightly on his actions”

Clearly a lie – I have repeatedly invited investigation and any light that can expose the corruption that is endemic in UKIP leadership and its claque.

Further it is a well known FACT that i ALWAYS post in my own name and will stand by every comment I make in the context it is made.

Further I have made it absolutely clear that I encourage the bright light of truth and fact and have NEVER wittingly or deliberately misled anyone and will ALWAYS make correction of ANY error of fact of any significance that is brought to my attention.

EVERYONE about whom I write or have exposed for their corruption, dishonesty or betrayal has a full right to respond via the comments and I have NEVER ONCE blocked a comment from someone on the grounds that it disagreed with the facts I have posted.

I do moderate postings to ensure sources, criminal investigation numbers and the like are provided to substantiate allegations they have made and to moderate libellous or gratuitous ad hominem attacks on private individuals and/or foul and abusive language or comment.

 

I have NEVER blocked a comment made on the grounds that it chose to disagree with any posting I have made.

 

I will correct and clarify ANY error brought to my attention by anyone who is honourable enough to provide substantiation of their identity and the comments they make.

 

May I also remind the duplicitous and dishonest commenter that I am clearly on public record as willing to meet with anyone to discuss the issues and have repeatedly offered to attend any public cross examination of the facts I have presented and the details and opinions I have made public.

Any time, any place try to shine the light you so clearly fear – minded of the limitations of distance and time and such detail as I have openly published.

 

Unlike the cowards in UKIP I have NOTHING to hide in shame and believe repetition of the facts exposing abuse of public office and the public purse in self interest is the duty of any honourable British citizen.

 

“and wishes to belittle his critics.”

It is hard to belittle someone who is clearly as dishonourable and dishonest as the original poster – the very comments made by such cowards clearly show they are beneath contempt and there is absolutely no need or way to belittle such low lifes!

 

“A bit like your allegations against Mr Farage. Does THAT ring any bells with you sir?”

As any rational reader will appreciate, when in command of the facts and in judgement of the truth and honourable behaviour it is clear for whom the ‘Bell Tolls – It tolls for the dishonourable, the cowards and the liars who seek to distort the truth sheltering their shame in anonymity.

 

I trust this clarifies my contempt for such cowardly and contemptible individuals who so befoul the aims of genuine EUrosceptics and drag the reputation of UKIP into the gutters they inhabit.

 

Let us have as much of that light of truth and clear facts as is possible to expose the corruption of UKIP and styart the essential clean up if UKIP is not to remain utterly irelevant in British domestic politics.

 

G.L-W.

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