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UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/09/2012

UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

This article  I believe to be true though much of the opinion posted by Martin Cole I KNOW to be wildly speculative, at best, and often completely wrong!

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since speculation or should I say guesses and rumours are being posted as if factual on Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled blog, regarding the incident where Nigel Farage was found guilty of copyright infringement which seemed at the time to be largely driven by the odious and corrupt sewer rat Nigel employed, to try to build ‘Black Files’ on his staff, colleagues and opponents, Mark Croucher.
I note that Barbara Booker has drawn attention to the ‘facts’ as present6ed by Martin Cole, which were as follows:
Thursday, May 01, 2003Video Tape Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage
On 4 September 2000 local trading standards officers raided UKIP’s South East branch offices in Redhill, seizing four illegal video copies of a BBC TV documentary “The Enemy Within” about Nigel Farage, UKIP MEP for the South East Region, which were in breach of copyright. Britain in Europe AccountMosaic Productions reprint of an article by Peter Shore in the Daily Telegraph
1st June 2000, sets the background as to why Nigel Farage might have felt dismayed at the non-appearance of the BBC episode of ‘Desperately Seeking Eutopia’ with his contribution. Peter Shore Article

Mosaic Films followed this report a few days later with another, this time concluded as follows:-

Article by Christopher Booker
The Sunday Telegraph, June 4 2000

All content © Mosaic Films

An early indication that Mosaic Films took their copyright property rights very seriously!

Christopher Booker Article

On the 16th August 2000 the following item appeared in the London Evening Standard:-

“Some bad news for Nigel Farage, Euro MP for the UK Independence Party, who is the subject of a forthcoming BBC documentary due for broadcasting next month on the sparsely viewed BBC Knowledge channel.
The Beeb is furious to discover a video of the programme given to Farage by the makers is being copied and sold through the Party’s “Sovereignty” newsletter, with UKIP doing a roaring trade at five pounds a piece. The programme which includes footage of Farage’s assistant Dr Richard North describing our Spanish neighbours as: “Rag-arsed dagos,” is described by UKIP as: “A perfect tool for converting the sceptical, and perfect for showing at branch meetings.”
Not for long. The Beeb is already flexing its legal muscles. “This is a breach of copyright which won’t be tolerated,” a spokesman tells me.”

Jeffrey Titford had written a long letter of many complaints to the BBC on the 7th August 2000, ie a few days before this item appeared in the Standard, among which was the question as to why invitations to Farage to appear on Question Time had been withdrawn. The breach of copyright could, perhaps have been a contributory factor!

Jeffrey Titford’s Complaint to the BBC

What was the background to Farage’s actions, did he innocently flirt with a breach of copyright, or did he recklessly risk all to have his programme reach a wider organisation? Here the internet search engines reveal little, so we have been forced to make inquiries elsewhere.

Curiously at a UKIP NEC meeting on the 24th May 2000, a motion was put forward by Nigel Farage that any NEC member who fell foul of the law should have their legal expenses paid by the party. One present recalls that failing to gather majority support the proposer then lost his temper and stormed from the meeting.

Shortly after this the then Party Secretary learned that Nigel Farage planned to copy and sell a video tape and following enquiries learned the intent was to sell the box including the free tape inside, presumably a poor attempt to circumvent the law.

On 31st July 2000, Adam Alexander of Mosaic Films had faxed Nigel Farage confirming his company had worldwide rights to Eutopia – The Enemy Within.

On 9th August 2000 this same gentleman, Joint Managing Director of Mosaic, faxed Farage again advising:-

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It has been brought to my attention that the UKIP, through a reference in Sovereignty magazine, is offering for sale copies of the film we made about you for the BBC series ‘Eutopia -The Enemy Within‘.

At no time has Mosaic given you the right to sell this programme. With reference to my fax to you of 31st July 2000, Mosaic holds the distribution rights and any exploitation of the material through video sales can only be through and with the express agreement of Mosaic Films.

Any attempts by you to make copies of and or sell the programme will be a breach of copyright, and to this end I must insist you refrain from making any sales until such time as a sales agreement has been made between us. Please advise me of any sales you may have already made.

I can confirm that under the terms of the agreement Mosaic has with the BBC the video cannot be sold until after the first transmission by the BBC, which is scheduled for sometime soon after 15th September 2000.
Unquote

This fax was copied to two people within the BBC and another Mosaic employee.

It could hardly have been clearer.

A letter of apology was sent to Mosaic Films signed on behalf of Nigel Farage by Stan Oram and believed to have been sent on 15th August 2000.

On 24th August, following an advert for the video appearing in the Independence (UKIP‘s Members Newsletter), the party secretary wrote to all NEC members advising the activity was illegal and that he would not work to defend the action which was bringing the Party into disrepute and that additionally he would oppose the use of party funds being used to meet costs that might be incurred.

Extraordinarily on 24th August the party leader Jeffrey Titford wrote to the party secretary regarding his warning stating: “ The facts are that Nigel has permission to reproduce the video, this was given by Mosaic who made the programme. I have seen this letter.”

On the same day Farage sent an angry riposte to all NEC members which he had the foresight to banner headline “NOT FOR CIRCULATION” for it is difficult to reconcile its contents with the facts as they now appear.

On 25th August, Adam Alexander of Mosaic Films was again faxing Farage, this time with a clear warning that the Surrey Trading Standards Office were on the case and demanding that the pirated videos be sent to Gloucestershire to arrive by 30th August 2000.

On 30th August the other joint managing director of Mosaic films wrote to the UKIP Party Secretary with details of the correspondence between Farage and his colleague and insisted that no pirated copies be sold.

On 4th September 2000 the party received a letter from the Surrey County Council Trading Standards office confirming that on 24th August they had purchased a pirated video and that on 1st September they had visited the Redhill Southeast branch office and seized further copies and related documentation.

On 4th September 2000 a statement was put out by the party leader Jeffrey Titford, which in light of the now revealed facts, seems so extraordinary that it can only be quoted in full:-

UKIP & The Video ‘The Enemy Within’- A statement by Jeffrey Titford MEP, Leader, UK Independence Party

The BBC has spent a great deal of licence payers’ money producing a film series about the European Union. For reasons about which we can only speculate, the BBC has shown no inclination to screen on its terrestrial channels an episode that featured the UK Independence Party, despite the fact that UKIP MEPs went to great lengths to co-operate in the film’s production.

As a result, Nigel Farage MEP took a personal initiative to obtain copies of the film with a view to selling it to UKIP members in order to raise badly needed funds for the South East region. It subsequently transpired that distribution of the film to Party members would not be possible until it has been screened on a BBC subscription channel.

More recently, a Trading Standards Officer resorted to what amounted to deception in order to obtain a copy of the video and so prove that a technical offence has been committed. As a result, the videos have been returned to their source, where they will remain pending clarification.
Nigel accepts that he acted somewhat precipitously – though with the best intention of making the film available to a wider audience. I am also satisfied that no personal gain was either intended or realised. Any further enquiries or approaches on the matter, from whatever party involved, will be referred to the UKIP South East regional office.

This unfortunate matter would never have come about if the BBC properly fulfilled its Charter obligations in regard to balanced reporting. Also, I wholly deprecate the duplicitous tactics of Trading Standards at a time when their officers are terrorising small traders with an unlawful interpretation of Weights and Measures legislation, and turning a blind eye to the sale of thousands of illegal car number plates emblazoned with the infamous EU ring of stars.

Signed Jeffrey Titford London 4 September 2000

On 8th September 2000 Mosaic Films confirmed to the UKIP Party Secretary that at no time had they given Nigel Farage either verbal or written permission to sell the tapes. That same day the Party Secretary tendered his resignation, hardly surprising in view of the events detailed above, but even less so when put against the fact that throughout this period he had also been fending off a possible prosecution by the Metropolitan Police in connection with the removal of the UKIP database, in which strangely enough Nigel Farage’s name had also been involved.

We are conscious that this parade of facts on an internet site could rob those involved of the right to reply. WE WILL POST ANY REPLIES OR REFUTATIONS ANYONE MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE POST MIGHT CARE TO MAKE. Such should be sent to ukipuncovered@hotmail.com The e-mail link that was available on this site will be restored for such purposes as soon as possible. Other comments or advice are similarly always welcomed.

posted by Martin |12:33 AM

To view Martin Cole’s original posting, in context CLICK HEREIt is unfortunate that Martin Cole undermined his own credibility by publishing some most amusing fantasies and guessed at speculation about me that were such patently obviously speculative rubbish that it brought into question much else that he ‘claimed’ to be fact.Sadly Martin Cole seemed unable to differentiate between fact and fiction and failed to show what he could substantiate and that which he was inventing or that which was pure fantasy which he republished for others as with much of the vituperative drivel published, at the time, by Christina Speight who seemed to see herself as the Queen of the EUroSceptic movement for a brief period.I hope this background to the UKIP / Farage copyright saga is of help.I was given a copy of the video at the time and watched it – It was quite good and along the usual lines of show off showman for which Farage has become quite well known as an entertainer. Even in 1999 it was showing UKIP’s lack of gravitas and its knock about style of insults and humour, which passes for political ability in UKIP, which seems almost totally dependent on stunts, insults, bullying and abuse for its much vaunted but never visible (in UK Ballot Boxes!) great progress.

UKIP under its present unprofessional band wagon jumping and a dependency on ‘churning’ of members to attract new more naiive and less well informed members to the cult to replace those who have seen through the sham are what seems to keep them going at a cost to the tax payer running to 10s of £Millions over the years.

UKIP’s latest band wagon is IN / OUT referendum where from their pamphlet on the issue they make it abundantly clear they plan to loose and have failed to grasp the first principles of such a referendum. No doubt they will use this as a mechanism to ‘churn’ more members and to pocket the cash generated as they seemingly did with the £1/4 Million plus of public money that was spiritted away and never accounted by Nigel Farage, David Lott & Mark Croucher in the only petition of note they have claimed to run to date.

The petition never materialised but the money did vanish in much the same way as the Ashford campaign where less than 15% of the money raised ever reached UKIP, we were told by its own chairman. An apparent fraud that was seemingly covered up by Douglas Denny, John Moran, Andrew Smith, Nigel Farage and other scoundrels and nere do wells at the time.

We are also reminded by Barbara Booker that:

‘EUtopia’ was a series of twenty documentaries, eight of which went out on BBC2 during Summer 2000, with the remaining twelve switched to BBC Digital. I had forgotten that ‘The Enemy Within’, the programme featuring Nigel Farage, was broadcast on 7 September 2000 on BBC Knowledge.

I’m not sure everyone would agree that it was favourable to UKIP. It included Richard North calling the Spanish, “rag-arsed dagos”, and Nigel Farage swearing.

And that Jeffrey Titford lied when he made the statement:
The facts are that Nigel has permission to reproduce the video, this was given by Mosaic who made the programme. I have seen this letter”.He couldn’t have. The true facts were that Mosaic had expressly forbidden Farage to copy and or sell the programme, and insisted he refrain from doing so.

It is quite clear that on a consistent basis UKIP’s leadership and their clique and also their self serving claque, including those too ashamed to put their names to their dishonesties and defamatory claims are consitent strangers to the truth – all too willing to lie, cheat and steal as their track record shows.There can really be no argument that we are fortunate that UKIP, as it is, and has been, has never had any relevance in British domestic politics as power would clearly be abused and befouled by those in control of UKIP.

Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01594 – 528 337

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/09/2012

Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

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Harrogate agenda – Update 25-Sep-2012

The DEMANDS!

For the full details, background and regular updates see the >PAGE< as listed above, below the Blog Header, or CLICK HERE!

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I believe that The Harrogate Agenda is a very positive way forward though I do appreciate that it may take a long time to educate the self serving politicians to the FACT that they do actually work for us and as our servants are answerable to us.

Surely they must realise that if they continue to bombastically hold the electorate in contempt as ‘The Plebs’ they are likely to go the same way as so many self important stuffed shirts in the past – The true mark of a Partrician is to ensure those they employ and work for do not feel distanced and demeaned.

Failure to understand the role of leadership and the need to act FOR those one leads, particularly when appointed by them is, as history has shown us, all too often a fatal mistake.

That our public servants, both elected as politicians and appointed as civil servants should consider the outcome of ignoring the electorate and holding them in contempt – the precedents are clear from Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu, to Caesar, Sadam Hussein to Charles I, or Russia’s Czars to Hosni Mubarak, the outcome is all too predictable!

Clearly as soumnd move forward is to campaign as a movement even accepting the tennets of electoral law that insist in your being called a ‘Party’ and capitalise on the crumbs offered by the state, as with free distribution of electoral leaflets, free publicity by airtime with an electoral broadcast etc. etc. and then to vigerously campaign on a cross party basis for:

1. a Royal Commission to establish the cost benefits of In AND Out of The EU.
2. to utilise The Royal Commission details to formulate a sound ‘Exit and Survival Strategy’ to maximise on the benefits of leaving The EU and minimise the dangers and costs.
3. To ensure that to avoid the damage that would be caused by senseless and ignorant confrontation be certain to avoid confrontation by abiding by The Treaty of Vienna and ensuring the EU Constitution is set aside constitutionally by implementing of Article 50 etc.
4. to hold a Referendum on the simple issue of IN or OUT of the EU as members and ensure that the referendum if fair, free, and independent of outside (EU) influence or funding, is held on an informed basis with equal media time and weighting.

These measures do not conflict with The Harrogate Agenda, which becomes ever more important, to ensure that when the people vote, if they vote to Leave-The-EU, as polls indicate they would, the political system is sufficiently altered and robust as to ensure the new incumbents, of government as our servants, do not make all the same errors of judgement and self serving efforts to enrich and empower themselves, yet again!

Harrogate Agenda: definitive text

 Tuesday 25 September 2012

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At the planning meeting at the Old Cock Inn, the group decided on the wording of the six demands which should go forward to our autumn meeting for approval. This text is now available and is as follows:

1. the people are sovereign: the sovereignty of the peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland shall be recognised by the Crown and the government of our nations. The people in their collective form, by giving their consent, comprise the ultimate authority of their nations and the source of all political power;

2. local democracy: the foundation of our democracy shall be the counties (or other local units as may be defined), which shall become constitutional bodies exercising under the control of their peoples all powers of legislation, taxation and administration not specifically granted by the people to the national government;

3.elected prime ministers: to enable separation of power, prime ministers shall be elected by popular vote; they shall appoint their own ministers, with the approval of parliament, to assist in the exercise of such powers as may be granted to them by the sovereign people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; no prime ministers or their ministers shall be members of parliament or any legislative assembly;

4. all legislation subject to consent: no legislation or treaty shall take effect without the direct consent of the majority of the people, by positive vote if so demanded, and that no legislation or treaty shall continue to have effect when that consent is withdrawn by the majority of the people;

5. no taxes or spending without consent: no tax, charge or levy shall be imposed, nor any public spending authorised, nor any sum borrowed by any national or local government except with the express permission of the majority of the people, renewed annually on presentation of a properly authenticated budget which shall first have been approved by their respective legislatures;

6. a constitutional convention: Parliament, once members of the executive are excluded, convenes a constitutional convention to draw up a definitive codified constitution for the people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, which shall recognise their sovereign status and their inherent, inalienable rights and which shall be subject to their approval.

Readers will see, by comparison with the earlier draft, that the differences are very slight, but important. 

If the autumn meeting approves this text, we will then be able to chart a way forward, to gain wider recognition for our Agenda.  Just to have framed and agreed our six demands by then, however, will have been a significant achievement, of which those who participated in the process can feel justly proud. 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 25/09/2012

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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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Deny the self serving political clique ANY Democratic claims to legitimacy
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.
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GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

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Daily politics feature ‘We Demand A Referendum’

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/09/2012

Daily politics feature ‘We Demand A Referendum’

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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Daily politics feature Katie Hopkins from ‘We Demand A Referendum’, with Paul Nuttall trying to point score & failing!

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We Demand a Referendum on the Daily Politics show

Katie Hopkins appeared on the BBC Daily Politics show on Thursday (September 20th 2012) as a representative from We Demand a Referendum.

For more information on this new exciting political movement please go to www.LetThePeopleDecide.eu

We Demand a Referendum’s inaugural conference will be held on the 5th October 2012 at Westminster Hall.

The conference is a free event, book your place today by calling the team on 0800 157 7916

To view the conference flyer please click here

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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01594 – 528 337

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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North & The Spectator on a ‘Floundering Farage’ & UKIP

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Hi,
it is interesting to note just howmany people in their condemnation of a referendumand its risks so consistently fail to show that there is a methodology to improve the fairness of such referendum.A Referendum will be lost if taken in narrow isolation – I have little doubt of that.

We must always ensure that any referendum is held AFTER a Royal Commission is held, which will be charged with not just a cost benefit study of our membership of The EU and of our leaving with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘.

I am sufficiently certain that a Royal Commission would act responsibly to inform the electorate in detail for a full, fair, evenly funded and evenly promoted referendum that I am happy to say that in its Exit & Survival Strategy it will surely promote the strategy of use of Article 50 as our strategy for exit.

The idiocy of permitting a referendum on government terms without a Royal Commission and with no sound Exit & Survival Strategy disregarding Article 50 would be crass, suicidal and irresponsible.

That we have a need for an Harrogate Agenda or similar is just as indesputable as to move on using the 19th. century style of governance into the 21st. Century will merely lead to the next foolish scam or social engineering as with the oh so arcane, undemocratic and Victorian style concepts of The EU.

Consider, in your study of the concepts and to add balance Richard North’s comments which follow, comments which I incline to support in the context of overlooking the details I have annotated so far:


 EU Referendum: foundering Farage

Saturday 22 September 2012

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“I think we’ve proved that we are a serious party that cares about a lot more than just Europe”, says Harold James, an active UKIP member from Weston-super-Mare, veteran of nine conferences.

Predictably, though, the Spectator is less than impressed, accusing a “Floundering Farage” of struggling a little once “away from his hobby horse of a European Union Referendum”. But, had the magazine been on the ball, it could have observed that Farage was struggling even when riding his hobby horse.

That is the only conclusion one can draw from his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet. His knowledge about the mechanics if the EU was always slight, but in this production he demonstrates that he has not added significantly to his knowledge in the ten years since I worked across a desk from him.

If this was simply a matter of a vainglorious party leader doing what politicians so often do – displaying his ignorance – it would not matter so much. But, as even the Spectator concedes, we are almost certainly looking at a referendum in the not too distant future.

Rigged though it may be – and we could hardly expect otherwise – I have to believe that this referendum is winnable, and that we can successfully deliver a “withdraw from the EU” message to our masters. With contributions such as Farage’s, though, we are set to lose.

To understand why, it is helpful to go back to the debate we were having on Article 50, where we argued that we need to take advantage of the negotiation process offered to draw up a relationship with the EU before finally cutting the knot.

Amongst those who disagreed with this stance was Nigel Farage, one of many who believe that we can unilaterally abrogate the treaties and then expect the “colleagues” to sit down and negotiate with us, without there being any penalty from such action.

Until now, quite how Farage managed to believe that this could be a penalty-free option has escaped me. But, if it is his settled belief that a free trade area can be set up with “a blank piece of paper“, then it is unsurprising that he sets such little store on negotiation – there is only a blank sheet of paper to agree. And that attitude is what is going to lose us the referendum.

The reason why this will happen is because Farage and his supporters are preparing, in an utterly cavalier fashion, to ditch the “single market”, that iconic property which legend has it was breathed into life by the Dragon Queen herself, Margaret Thatcher.

Yet, examine David Cameron’s rhetoric on the European Union and you will notice the emphasis is almost entirely on preserving this mythical beast. To threaten it with extinction is to invite unrestrained enmity from the entire Tory tribe and give hostage to fortune to the other side.

And that is only part of it. The “single market” effectively comprises a huge body of EU law – directives, regulations and decisions – alongside thousands of meticulously crafted standards, which together binds the corporate world and protects it from the cold winds of competition, mainly from small and medium businesses.

Anyone who believes that big business doesn’t like regulation simply knows nothing about big business. As noted in our forum, “complex regulatory structures are a significant barrier to entry, and dominant firms that can afford large compliance departments often lobby for such regulation which prevents the entry of upstart firms”.

And, in their enthusiasm for more and more law, the corporates are the natural partners to the EU. If their precious body of law is threatened by a “no” vote in a referendum, they will pour massive funding into any “yes” campaign.

The best we can possibly hope for from the corporates is their neutrality, which could only be secured – of at all – by assurances that their “single market” is kept intact.

On the other hand, the genius of the EU is the way it has hijacked trade regulation and harnessed it in the service of political integration. In promoting our exit from the EU, therefore, we have to detach the corpus of standards and trade agreements from the community acquis and give it an independent identity.

This, to my mind, is one of the greatest challenges confronting the “outers” in any referendum campaign. It is also one I believe we can deal with by negotiating continued EEA membership – thus keeping the single market intact for at the very least a transitional period, while we sort out better, long-term arrangements.

Whatever might actually be decided though, we cannot afford to ignore the single market, or the rent-seekers who gain so much benefit from it. Allowing a “floundering Farage” to set the pace here would then be to invite a foundering campaign. Protect the single market, or we lose.

COMMENT: “FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT” THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU Referendum: fighting the good fight

Saturday 22 September 2012

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There is a joke amongst economists, Nigel Farage tells us in his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet, that a real free trade agreement can be illustrated by holding up a blank piece of paper.

That, he avers, is because if trade is genuinely free, there are no regulations to follow or tariffs to pay but business people and traders can get on without hindrance or interference in doing business and creating wealth.

Thus, in principle, we are told, “to create a single market or free trade area is incredibly easy if you know what you are doing and think it through. It merely requires an absence of restriction, most easily achieved by the progressive – or instant – dismantling and removal of all existing barriers and tariffs”.

Unfortunately, a regulation-free market is neither desirable nor acceptable, and if this presented as UKIP’s objective for Britain once we leave the EU, it will simply invite the hostility (and derision) of those who understand why much of the regulation at present in force must remain.

One can, or course, make a case of the removal of tariffs and also non-tariff barriers, but it is important to realise how important well-crafted regulation is to international trade.

This can be well illustrated addressing the problems of a banana importer, based in London, buying from growers everywhere in the world to supply wholesale and retail customers throughout Europe.

In the nature of things, the quality of the product will vary and with it price. It has thus long been the sensible habit of shippers to use grading schemes – a common language between buyer and seller – so that the nature of any transaction is fully understood.

This does make sense. Our putative buyer, who might decide to purchase a load from Jamaica, may wish to order Grade A bananas, sight unseen. And, as long as an agreed grading scheme is applied, he will know exactly what to expect for his money.

There could be problems, though, if he wished to buy Grade A bananas from Costa Rica and that country operated a different grading scheme. National authorities in some countries could even give their exporters a price advantage by setting more relaxed standards, while still allowing produce to be called Grade A, to the detriment of buyer and consumer.

More complications arise if different consumer countries dictate their own specific standards, thus leaving our putative importer being able to buy produce from one country which he can then sell in some countries but not others. Thus, each country having different standards – whether producer or consumer – is a recipe for chaos.

On that basis, it makes absolute sense to have international standards.for commodities which are traded internationally. And for them to work, they must be common standards that are known and recognised by buyers and sellers alike.

Such standards are not in any way a restraint on trade – quite the reverse. When properly and sensitively crafted, they facilitate trade and are seen, overall, as beneficial. As such, they are a necessary precursor to free trade. Clearly, that applies here with South African bananas.

This being the case, it is unsurprising that many commodity standards pre-date EU regulations. In fact, much of the current EU legislation for agricultural produce is based on a British model developed long before we joined the EEC. Even in the land of the free, the United States, agricultural produce for inter-state commerce was being regulated as early as 1880.

Nor is it a surprise that much regulation is actively sought after by the trade itself. Take meat safety, for instance. Few people realise that official inspection did not become compulsory in this country until 1963 yet, for decades before that, producers had voluntarily paid for inspection as a measure to improve consumer confidence in their products.

And when, in 1964, the Six in the then EEC imposed mandatory inspection of imported meat, to be carried out at the point of slaughter, the system was based on a regime developed by the British. It had been imposed in response to the Aberdeen typhoid outbreak, which had been linked to Argentinean corned beef, again to promote confidence in international trade.

The important thing, therefore, is not the absence of regulation, but the right sort of regulation – sufficient for the purpose and not too onerous – applied only where it is needed. Where the EU most often went wrong was (and is) in applying export standards to internal trade or – where grading regulations was applied – prohibiting trade in ungraded produce. 

 
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To an extent, this is being addressed, with the EU progressively relaxing standards (allowing misshapen fruit and vegetables), so some of the the issues that Farage raise in his pamphlet have less force anyway.

That aside, regulation does not only apply to goods, but also services such as air travel. Here for instance, if we look at requirements for commercial aviation, we see minimum regulations applied to the equipment required by airliners to enable them to land in reduced visibility conditions.

Knowing Farage’s intimate acquaintance with aviation safety, one suspects he would not want to see such regulations removed or weakened. Would he really be happy with a blank piece of paper when it came to his flying to Strasbourg to pick up his expenses?

Thus, the real issue is that, even if reduced, a huge tranche of trade regulation will remain. It cannot be wished away. We thus have to find a way of dealing with the continuing process of adding, modifying and adapting trade regulations while outside the EU yet still trading with its member states.

In this context, to pretend that we can live without trade regulation is not helpful to the cause. We need more sophisticated arguments to carry the doubters, coming up with real world solutions that demonstrate our understanding of the realities of modern international trade. Farage’s fluff simply isn’t good enough.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU referendum: delaying the inevitable

Friday 21 September 2012

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Farage put his finger on the Cameron dilemma this morning, pointing to the Conservative leader’s credibility gap when it comes to promising a referendum.

Talking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, he said that he would only consider making a deal if it was “written in blood” that there would be a[n in-out] referendum on Britiain’s EU membership.

What was not raised though – not here or in an earlier programme – is how different the political landscape will look in 2014 when the euro-elections are due to be held. Thus, although Farage consistently claims rising support for his party, he and his followers may be disappointed when it comes to the elections.

Not least, the much lauded poll ratings consistently fail to materialise as votes in real elections.

For instance, in one recent council by-election, Canterbury City – Blean Fores, the Conservatives took 342, Labour 185, Lib-Dem 121, Green 64, UKIP 38 and Independent 24. Cornwall County – St Keverne and Meneage, had the Tories on 585, Lib-Dems 279, UKIP 141 and Labour increasing to 52 (from 33 in June 2009). Scarborough Borough – Esk Valley gave the Tories 606 votes, Independent 151 (down from 417 in May 2011), Labour 87 and UKIP 35.

So consistent is this experience that one can discount the UKIP election hyperbole. And, to make matters worse, there is recently another factor in play. As the Independent reports, in all the recent by-elections, both Labour and Conservatives scored “landslide gains” at the expense of independents.

We may thus be seeing precisely that which we have seen in Germany and in the recent Dutch elections – the classic small-party squeeze, which is so often apparent when times are uncertain. And where the UK election is shaping up for a battle between two unpopular personalities, perversely, that tendency might be accentuated.

In recent years, however, the euro-elections have obeyed their own rules, and Farage might confidently expect a good showing for UKIP in 2014. But again there is another factor at play: Barroso has committed to publishing proposals for a new treaty before the euro-elections. With the commission president determined to make this an EU election issue, electioneering could be sufficiently transformed to make it mainstream – to the detriment of UKIP.

With Cameron planning a major speech on European policy next month, he may well take the opportunity then to commit to a referendum, contingent or renegotiations arising out of the treaty process, essentially marginalising UKIP and its pretender, the “We demand a referendum” party.

Here, the Conservatives are in a much stronger position, as polls on EU sentiment tend to show that the renegotiation option (however unrealistic) is popular with the voters, and Cameron can rely on the “referendum lock” to demonstrate his good faith. He does not need to make a promise “written in blood”, he may say, when it is written into an Act of Parliament.

This does not stop speculation elsewhere about electoral pacts with UKIP, from the usual ill-informed suspects, who currently don’t seem to understand that the chances of a referendum before 2016 are slight. In all probability, we are looking at 2017 or beyond.

Those, like Nikki Sinclair’s little party – which has dreams of a referendum in 2014 – clearly fail to realise that Cameron can use for an alibi, active engagement in EU negotiations. No sensible person could expect a referendum while negotiations are still in progress.

To that extent, also, the Tory europlastics are beginning to outflank the “outers”. Knowing that renegotiation is more popular with the public than the straight “out” option, they have concentrated their firepower where success is most likely. That could well leave Farage and his supporters stranded, being faced with fighting a referendum in the distant future for which they are singularly ill-prepared.

The “outer” fraternity thus looks doomed to get what it wished for. And unless Farage stops whingeing about how the contest might be rigged, and starts working out how to win the referendum we’re going to get, rather than the one UKIP wants, the wish granted could prove his nemesis.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012


 Politics: another one doesn’t get it

Friday 21 September 2012

Lamenting the decline of political parties, a Failygraph hack still believes there is a remedy. “The answer is fairly simple”, he writes, “To recover, political leaders need to come up with radical and original ideas that enough people think are worth supporting”. The man simply doesn’t get it. If they could have done so, they would already have done so. They cannot, because it is not in their nature. But, if you want radical and original ideas, they are there, in the Harrogate Agenda. And that rather illustrates why political parties must continue declining – together with their cheerleaders in the media.

However, not all is lost. The man at least understands that we are now the mainstream. “No matter who wins the next election, it is likely that abstainers will outnumber those voting for the winning party”, he writes. But that has been the case for a long time. Why is it taking them so long to realise? 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012



 EU referendum: strategy is the problem

Thursday 20 September 2012

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In a well-judged intervention, Cranmer tells us that the Eurosceptic “movement” (if it be) is fundamentally a clash of gargantuan egos, none of whom will deign to co-operate or collaborate with their co-eurosceptics, principally out of a lack of trust, belief or respect.

So, His Grace tells us, with a referendum on the next EU treaty looming – and, as sure as night follows day, it is coming – please don’t expect political coherence or campaigning strategy from the Conservatives, UKIP, the Democracy Movement, the Campaign for United Kingdom Conservatism, Better off Out, Campaign for an Independent Britain, the Freedom Association, or the Liberty League.

Frankly, he says, you have more hope of persuading a Wahhabi Sunni to sup with an Ahmadiyyan and plant the cornerstone of a new mosque. If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand: the referendum may already be lost.

Hesitant as one is to disagree with His Grace, one has to say that he is wrong. This is not a matter of egos, gargantuan or otherwise, but of strategy. Egos we could cope with. The more profound differences over strategy are far more problematical.

Courtesy of Witterings from Witney, we see demonstrated precisely the point in the recent adjournment debate led by Tory MP Andrea Leadsom.

This is a woman who is determined that we should “renegotiate our EU membership – to remain within the EU but to have our absolutely best attempt at renegotiating a relationship that works for Britain, with full and free access to all EU assets, but without being hampered in a global world by EU regulation”. What she wants, she tells us, is “fundamental reform”.

No red-blooded eurosceptic could begin to agree with such a europlastic view, but within the debate there was also David Nuttall, Tory MP for Bury North. As chairman of the Lords and Commons “Better Off Out” group, he wants us to repatriate all powers from the EU.

We would have no difficulty in accepting this desirable objective, except that Nuttall does not think we are likely to be given the choice of an in-out referendum. He thinks we are more likely to get an in/in referendum: the choice of the status quo – staying in as we are now or staying in with 17/20, 18/20 or 19/20 of the status quo and repatriating a few powers.

The trouble is, as Leadsom points out, while a July 2012 YouGov survey had 48 percent wanting to pull out and 31 percent wanting to stay in the EU, if a new deal was renegotiated, the poll suggests that people would vote in a completely different way. Most – 42-34 percent – would vote to stay in the EU.

This is the eurosceptic nightmare: a referendum offering not the in-out option but the “reform-out” option. This would be very hard to win. Strategy becomes absolutely vital.

Then, as WfW reminds us, there is the Lilley point: during a referendum campaign, on average there is a 17 percent swing back in favour of the status quo. This means it is necessary to start with a 34 percent lead for change to have a 50 percent chance of winning. Starting with roughly half of people being in favour of leaving and a third in favour of staying would result in a vote to remain in the EU.

Problematically, though, our people are not thinking strategically. Under these circumstances, the Minford idea of unilateral withdrawal, followed by negotiation, would be a disaster. The uncertainties would drive voters into the EU camp.

Yet, despite the potential for disaster, this is the preferred UKIP option, and the guardians of the message are quick to stamp on dissident thought. There is no debate in this “outer” fraternity. You either conform with the approved message or you are consigned to outer darkness as a “traitor”. 

 
Nor is there any recognition of the “Stokes precept”, from Richard Stokes, the Labour MP for Ipswich, who on 15 October 1940 told the House of Commons in a debate on war aims that it “… is no use fighting for a negative object. You must have a positive one, and the sooner that [is] stated the better”. To gain a broader acceptance from the majority of the population that we should leave the EU, we must be able to offer a positive object. Simply to fight on the negative one of leaving the EU is not enough. And just to argue for a referendum, without the first idea of how you would win it, is suicide.

Those who refuse to accept this, who robustly argue simply for unilateral withdrawal and expect the nation to rally to that cause, are part of the problem – as much as those like Leadsom, who are arguing for “fundamental reform”. Egos really don’t matter. It cannot be emphasised enough that what counts is strategy.

Sadly, while the old saw, “divided we fall” may be true, uniting behind the wrong strategy could be just as fatal. We thus face the prospect of “united we fall, divided we fall”. Even so, there is time yet to mend our ways. We should take the opportunity while we can, if we can.

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Nigel Farage: a one-man band?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/09/2012

Nigel Farage: a one-man band?

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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Nigel Farage: a one-man band?

An embarrassing question when posed by Michael Crick of Channel 4 News!
Particularly in the light of the simple answer and lack of any sign of professionalising UKIP to be fit for purpose!

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Hi,you may well have noted Michael Crick’s comments on UKIP and its conference in Birmingham City Hall and noted his refernce to Oswold Mosley and the arch traitor EU Commissioner Roy Jenkins who was charged with founding a pro EU political party in Britain ( the stench of which lingers on in the lies of Nick Clegg and his cronies) both were allumni of the platform in question also his.

It will also not have escaped your notice he calls Farage the ‘Dear Leader’ in allusion no doubt to the extremist and non democratic Korean leaders.The parade of has beens and any who will praise Farage has been notable at the conference – sad that the only converts are either elderly with their careers long finished, those dumped by the Tories like Roger Helmer & the Hamilton double act and the odd self serving councillor who has personal ambitions but seem to lack the abilities to gain selection with the Tories!

As a long term supporter of UKIP and possibly foolishly still in hope that it will be cleaned up and democratised sufficiently to be fit for purpose as there is no other party of any size representing the best interests of Britain and the wishes of the informed electorate to Leave-The-EU and its damaging and self serving Germanno Frankish axis of self interest and centralised undemocratic power, I commented on the internet as follows:

Hi,

as a long term supporter of the basic aim to Leave-The-EU I note Michael Crick’s damning of UKIP with faint praise and lampoon verging on ridicule – he is sadly right to do so.

UKIP was our best hope but the insecurity of their leader has led to an ever increasing power grab on his part and the eviceration of all intellectual rigor or any shining star of gravitas.

The nihilism of not polishing but polishing off stars has rendered the party unfit for purpose and led to a series of low grade nere do wells at the helm with a track record of criminality and even prison that places them beyon the pale.

That UKIP’s officers are all appointed on the grounds that they support Farage has made the party like a pyramid balanced on its head with Farage at its tip and garbage piled high on top of his undeniable talents as an entertainer.

It is easy for highly paid exploiters of the public purse to buils a small army of funded secret police funded by their ambitions and also pockets! UKIP has done this with a host of cowardly and anonymous defenders attacking anyone who dares speak out (as the duplicitous Marta Andreasen has shown and as Nikki Sinclaire has proved).

There is no doubt that UKIP is on the rise as from 3 or 4%, which is their average in domestic elec tions there is nowhere else to go but up! let us not forget with Roger Knappman as leader UKIP had its greatest breakthrough & almost 30,000 members.

UKIP with Farage is indeed striving to rise to those heady days yet his Junta has only managed, a claimed, 17,000 members and out of 19,500 seats in British politics has still not managed to get more than 30 by election and are no closer to having an MP elected than 15 years ago!

The main rise seen is the rise in income of those willing to back Farage and association with racists, criminals, anti Jewish, anti homosexual Holocaust deniers in the gutters of EU politics in the ‘gang’ Farage controls as a pan EU politician in the EFD Group where notably support for Anders Breivik was not heard but published and no action taken.

Sadly in being elected to The EU these small men have it seems been overwhelmed with greed and sold out on any ethics or principles rallying behind Farage’s foolish posturings and unparliamentary neme calling so reminiscent of the class failures who rallied behind the boy who made rude noises when teachers back was turned.

UKIP does indeed have HOPE of a future but as Marta Andreasen makes clear not as a dictatorship run by a one man band and those he has bought and paid for.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

At the moment I could not bring myself to vote for UKIP as the stench of racism, corruption, bullying, defamation, cowardice and self enrichment is too great.I have for some time advocated not spoiling ones ballot paper by sullying it with support for those on offer but rather stating ones own principles and writing on the ballot paper Leave-The-EU thus denying our self serving political elite the mandate they claim all be it only personally.

At the moment I am inclined to support Nikki Sinclaire’s initiative for a full, fair and equally funded IN / OUT Referendum but that is very much conditional on the support for a full Royal Commission and provision of a mature, intelligent ‘Exit & Survival Strategy’ when we Leave-The-EU – an aim I am assured Team Sinclaire are working towards.

Meanwhile I would commend all to pay particular attention to ‘The Harrogate Agenda’ and similar initiatives as without fundamental change in our system of Governance wehen we Leave-The-EU we will be no better off as self serving politicians will still be in a position to betray the electorate for their own party gain – Hence I have long advocated a far greater level of Independent representation rather than Parties acting on a mob handed self protective scam, again and again.

Your thoughts?
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What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

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UKIP continues to crash and burn!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/09/2012

UKIP continues to crash and burn!

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UKIP continues to crash and burn!
So it seems from the facts and actual election results!

Looking beyond the spin & media puff!

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UKIP continues to crash and burn!

Forget all the spin about UKIP replacing the Lib Dems! Forget all Farage’s bluster about how well UKIP is doing!

Forget the opinion polls and just check out the latest election results. See the reality for what it really is!

The media are even presenting the pretence that UKIP is doing well to generate a story and with the left wing press using it to embarrass The Tories and LibDims.

Farage is even talking of ‘pacts’ as he stated on BBC News he would form an alliance with either Labour or Tory if they offered an In / Out Referendum – why he believes any party would wish to enter suchg an alliance Farage has been unable to explain when one realises his party is nowhere near likely to get a single MP.

The much vaunted claim that they have damaged the Tories and cost them seats as the justifying spin when one remembers that Farage and others in his clique claim they recruit as many Tories as they do Labour! This totally sabotages the myth that UKIP can make a valid partner for anyone – hence we hear UKIP talking a big game but one that proves unfounded when their potential partners are questioned!

UKIP is going nowhere under Farage. UKIP is now a total irrelevance in British politics. Just look at recent by election results:

Canterbury City – Blean Forest ward:

C 342,
Lab 185,
Lib Dem 121,
Green 64,
Ukip 38,
Ind 24.
(May 2011 Two seats:
C 626, 568, Green 400, 300, Lib Dem 184, 173).
THUS:
C hold. Swing 4.2% C to Lib Dem.
Cornwall County – St Keverne and Meneage ward:
C 585,
Lib Dem 279,
Ukip 141,
Lab 52.
(June 2009:
Ind 673, C 657, Ind 356, Lib Dem 127, Ind 67, Lab 33).
THUS:
C gain from Ind. Swing 0.5% Lib Dem to C.

Lincolnshire County – Nettleham and Saxilby ward:

C 1026,
Lib Dem 600,
Ukip 266,
Lab 257,
Lincolnshire Ind 196,
English Democrats 21.
(June 2009:
Lib Dem 2012, C 1129, Lab 184).
THUS:
C gain from Lib Dem. Swing 22.2% Lib Dem to C.

Nottinghamshire County – Rufford ward:

Lab 1557,
C 660,
Notts Ind 346,
Ukip 123.
(June 2009:
Ind 1309, C 1259, Lab 1109).
THUS:
Lab gain from Ind. Swing 18.7% C to Lab.

Scarborough Borough – Esk Valley ward:

C 606,
Ind 151,
Lab 87,
Ukip 35,
English Democrats 18.
(May 2011 – Two seats:
C 1183, 928, Ind 417, Lab 379). C hold. Swing 10.7% Lab to C.

South Gloucestershire Council – Dodington ward:

Lib Dem 787,
Lab 243,
Ukip 213,
C 139.
(May 2011 – Two seats:
Lib Dem 1340, 1324,
C 452, 429,
Lab 294, 285).
THUS:
Lib Dem hold. Swing 5.6% Lib Dem to Lab.

West Lindsey District – Nettleham ward:

C 565,
Lib Dem 513,
Ukip 177.
(May 2011 – Two seats:
Lib Dem 1238, 1108,
C 804, 559).
THUS:
C gain from Lib Dem. Swing 15.3% Lib Dem to C.

You will note that UKIP couldn’t even field a candidate in some constituencies!
eg.:

Herefordshire County – St Nicholas ward:

It’s Our County 608,
Lib Dem 222,
C 204,
Lab 104.
(May 2011 – Two seats:
It’s Our County 821, 607,
C 423, 279,
Lib Dem 320, 312, Lab 273). THUS:
It’s Our County hold. Swing 1.8% C to Lib Dem.
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Village Cllr Stuart Parr & UKIP propaganda

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/09/2012

Village Cllr Stuart Parr & UKIP propaganda
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Village Cllr Stuart Parr & UKIP propaganda!

So very typical of UKIP greasy pole climbers and so damaging to UKIP’s credibility!

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Now UKIP’s propaganda blogger Stuart Parr is advertising Dating Agencies!

Is this a service laid on for their annual back biting session to cover for their abject failure to make progress in domestic elections this weekend?

To be fair the lad is obviously trying to earn some money to buy candles for his wife I presume, by risking his blog’s credibility by hosting adverts often leading to conflict! Stuart Parr is left to defend his dating agency ad in a party with something of a reputation in that direction!

Little wonder they are having a Caribbean champagne party and taking instructions from a Finnish MEP!

If I can be bothered, UKIP being such an increasing irrelevance, I shall return and fisk the silly little chaps post and show it for the dishonest and desperate propaganda it clearly is!

Realistically on coming home and re-reading this there is no meaningful reason to fisk his silly post as it is so very clearly nothing more than desperate propaganda.

A failed juniour UKIPper on a town council trying desperately to seem relevant and show off on the eve of UKIP’s annual self congratulation meeting! Whilst UKIP’s most successful leader who took the party from 2 MEPs to a dozen and raised the membership to just under 30,000 clearly diametrically disagrees with Stuart Parr’s foolish, dishonest and defamatory comments.

You will note Roger Knappman who led UKIP to success and raised the membership to render the party relevant, with many activists who have subsequently left, and growing support never again achieved by the party which all but collapsed in membership and can not show any political relevance or gravitas. Nor a single achievement of any competence since!

Using unparliamentary language and abuse of other members may impress political children and get publicity but it demeans UKIP and the EUroSceptic cause as do the childish abuse and language of the foolish and inept UKIP gofers.

No political party was ever beneficially served by its servants and supporters attacking members of the electorate!

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Campaign For A Referendum Publicity so far.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 19/09/2012

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Media coverage round-up for We Demand A Referendum

It has been a very busy few days following the media announcement of the new political movement – We Demand A Referendum.

Here are a few links to stories about this new exciting development

Public Service Europe New Anti-EU party launches in the UK http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/2470/new-anti-eu-political-party-launches-in-uk

Daily Star APPRENTICE STAR KATIE HOPKINS FIGHTS FOR EU VOTE
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/272758/Apprentice-star-Katie-Hopkins-fights-for-EU-vote-/

TheParliament.com MEP heralds ‘breakthrough’ in campaign on Britain’s EU membership
http://www.theparliament.com/latest-news/article/newsarticle/mep-heralds-breakthrough-in-campaign-on-britains-eu-membership/#.UFeswq6wDAA

Sunday Mercury West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire to set up new anti-EU party
http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/09/16/west-midlands-mep-nikki-sinclaire-to-set-up-new-anti-eu-party-66331-31842925/

The Sun on Sunday EU Vote Party takes on Cameron
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4541420/EU-vote-party-takes-on-Cameron.html

Express NEW PUSH FOR VOTE TO EXIT EU
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/346516/New-push-for-vote-to-exit-EU

New Europe New ‘EU Referendum Party’ puts pressure on UK PM
http://www.neurope.eu/article/new-eu-referendum-party-puts-pressure-uk-pm

Birmingham Mail West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire launches new anti-EU party
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2012/09/18/west-midlands-mep-nikki-sinclaire-launches-new-anti-eu-party-97319-31854183/#ixzz26paDw5bY

Politics Home Anti-EU party set up to fight Tories
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/29411/

AND:

another PRESS RELEASE has been distributed and early indications are that it will be used in a number of newspapers:

POLITICAL renegade Nikki Sinclaire MEP has launched a new party in an attempt to force the UK government to hold a referendum on Europe.
 

The 44-year-old rebel has launched the “We Demand A Referendum” movement with the sole manifesto of forcing a straight In-Out decision on the UK’s membership of the EU.
 

It comes on the heels of a startling YouGov opinion poll which revealed more than half of Britons wanted a referendum.
 
“Call me a defector, call me a revolutionary, call me what you will – I’m simply following the will of the people who are demanding a referendum on Europe,” declared the Midlands MEP.
 

“This isn’t simply a new political party – this is movement– and it is one that David Cameron and the whole of Westminster must listen to, because we are speaking for the people.”
 

Sinclaire has delivered two petitions with 220,000 signatures to Number 10 – the most recent being only last week with the names of 100,000 people backing the call for some decision-making over the UK being in the European Union.
 

The MEP, who defected from the UK Independence Party to stand independently, was joined outside Number 10 by former The Apprentice star Katie Hopkins who will be enlisted as one of the first to stand as a We Demand A Referendum candidate in the 2014 elections.
 

It is expected the movement will have candidates for all 73 UK seats.
 
“The government is frightened of asking the question of whether we want to be in Europe or not because they are afraid of the answer they may receive from the British public,” said Mrs Hopkins.

The coverage so far has been excellentm as has been the feedback from all except those who already earn their livings from our membership of the EU at the expense of the British tax payers, or hope to hop on the gravy train and get their snouts in the trough!

There are petty and utterly irrelevant attacks from these sad people who are in some cases miffed at not being invited as founder members or those who are riding other ‘band wagons’ or fence sitting with comments like ‘it will all be over in six months’ or trying desperately to belittle the incredible success Nikki Sinclaire and her team have had, both in getting almost 1/4 Million signatures and in getting the clear support of The Sun with both favourable articles and editorial support and praise.

Not to mention having already forced the government to hold a full debate on IN / OUT and a referendum already despite the spoiler efforts of copy cats and the efforts to demean her for having shown up their ineptitude, indollence and corruption.

I was amused to see the pornographer Paul Desmond on the one hand sacking his Irish manager for having capitalised, for him, on the childish and tasteless rather bad long range snaps of The Dutchess of Cambridge dishonestly (criminally) obtained by some low life in the meeeja whilst his sad little journalist on The Express, angles for his own place on the gravy train, by taking the UKIP’s desperate line surprises no one – well after all he is speaking at UKIP’s meeting this weekend (eg. CLICK HERE as are others who have expressed a desire to join the new campaign after the weekend!).

The message is simple and clearly there is no wish to be yet another tedious little party with a rag bag of so called policies that will NEVER be implemented.

The new organisatiopn delivers EXACTLY what it says on the tin – a ‘Campaign to hold a referendum’, a clear statement that ‘The referendum MUST follow a Royal Commission to ascertain the exact cost benefits of membership of The EU and the benefits and cost of leaving versus stying and THEN a referendum on a free, fair, equally funded, campaign based on the facts provided by the Royal Commission with equal media time, even from the State Broadcast & propaganda machinery of The BBC and others.

Let us never forget the huge bias of the media brought about by the irrefutable fact that The Government is not only in control but is also Britain’s largest supplier of leaks and stories but also the Country’s largest single advertiser able to manipulate the meeeja.

Any attempt to hold a referendum by any given political party announced now will of course be just a desperate effort to seize control from the electorate for their own gain and save face – we all know that 71% of the British electorate do not trust their own politicians relative to The EU.

We also had the misfortune of seeing the Irish peoples resoundingly betrayed by their own politicians and massively abused by the EU and its bullying propaganda lie machine!

There will be many attempts to sabotage this initiative by those working on behalf of The EU but do not forget that in a democracy one should ‘LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE’ and already we know that the majority of the electorate want an informed debate and a free, fair and unmanipulated referendum on IN / OUT relative to Britain’s undemocratic and anti Constitutional EU membership.

I note Liam Fox & The Express have jumped on the band wagon Nikki Sinclaire launched in The Sun the Express said:
“The first party to come out and say that will earn the respect of voters. What are they all frightened of?” Meanwhile, independent Euro-MP Nikki Sinclaire yesterday confirmed plans for a new “We Demand a Referendum” party to fight every UK seat at the 2014 Euro-elections unless Mr Cameron offers an in-out vote.

In all fairness they did then state that they were following rather than leading and that the new campaign had rather stolen a march on any other attempts to catch-up when they said:

Former Apprentice contestant Katie Hopkins is lined up as a candidate in the South-west.

Her new party presents a headache for Mr Cameron, who will remember the damage inflicted on the Tories in 1997 by Sir James Goldsmith’s Referendum Party.

There are and have been others trying to build mailing lists and set up data bases using a referendum ‘claim’ to further their ambitions but none, other than Nikki Sinclaire’s team have ever delivered anything of any note despite using large amounts of public money, as with the fake campaign/petition by UKIP which failed to account for the £1/4 Million of tax payers money they seemingly trousered or the various back stabbing antics of ‘The peoples pledge’ and similar started off by Bridget Rowe and James Pryor with the funding of Toby Blackwell but eventually sabotaged by the actions of various Judas Goats The full details can be found at: CLICK HERE)

You will note the efforts at sabotage, that so clearly assisted the EU, and that Team Sinclaire refused to get involved in the selfish in fighting and continued to campaign right across Britain with her team, her ad vans and the only petition to date to deliver on the issue!

Edward Heath and his cronies lied and duped the peoples of Britain to allegedly vote for ratification of the Treaty of Rome and a Trading Relationship in the EUropean Economic Community and never since as they have sold out the people and our democracy with lies at OUR cost has there been any mandate granted by the peoples for the unlawful surrender of OUR democracy to a foreign and totally alien system of committee dictatorship centralised in the EU.

IF Britain is a democracy this new campaign will ensure a Royal Commission and an informed debate followed by a fully funded referendum on an agreed choice NOT some hole in the corner scam as organised by Heath etc. and warned against by Enoch Powell in detail on 25-Feb-1970 in Parliament see CLICK HERE

Yes of course there are risks in holding a Referendum and clearly the biggest risk is in EU propaganda and the lies and duplicity of our  own enemy within – our own politicians and civil servants who have shown time and again that on issues related to The EU they are all too willing to lie, cheat and steal!

The other great risk is in doing nothing, as increasingly OUR country spins out of control to the malign spin of The EU – Hence a Royal Commission followed by an independent, free, fair and equally funded and promoted referendum is Britain’s best hope.

Without hard work and honest effort we may still loose, but Team Sinclaire has seized the nettle and shown us all the way forward, and for that, even if they eventually fail (which I believe unlikely), we ALL owe them a debt of gratitude and the political elite should now fear the electorate, rather than the electorate be in awe and fear of them, as has increasingly been the case in the ever more out of control police state they have been trying to build, for their own glory!

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New anti-EU political party launches

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 18/09/2012

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New anti-EU political party launches!

Nikki Sinclaire’s new group is not so much anti EU as pro democracy & believes a Royal Commission followed by a fully informed, free, balance and fair referendum is the ONLY way to ensure the voice of the people is heard and not just the self interest of corrupted politicians (bought & paid for from OUR taxes)!

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Nikki Sinclaire

New anti-EU political party launches in UK

by Nikki Sinclaire

18 September 2012 
 
Mainstream parties will be under threat at the ballot box in 2014 as the new movement attempts to tap into the strength of anti-EU feeling among British voters – claims MEP

The time has now come for the people of Britain to be given the chance to have a proper debate on one of the most important decisions the country must face – should we continue as an independent nation or be part of a single European state? Thousands upon thousands of people have signed our petition calling for an “in or out” referendum. Opinion poll after opinion poll continues to show that we – the ordinary people of the United Kingdom – want our say on the European Union.

Yet, for some reason, continuous governments have consistently and deliberately ignored our views on Europe with repeated excuses of why we should not have a referendum. Why are they so afraid of the people? Why won’t they let us decide? And why do they continue to patronise us with their ‘we know better’ attitude? We have thought long and hard about what our next step should be as a movement dedicated to making sure the people of Britain have a say in their future. So we have decided that to truly get the government to sit up and take notice, we must threaten them at the ballot box and show them the strength of public opinion on this issue.

After nearly two years of working as the Campaign for a Referendum, we now have more than 200,000 signatories and an army of constituency activists; the largest mobile network of supporters ever amassed for an EU referendum. Nothing this size has been seen since the Referendum Party and the late Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, whose pioneering baton was recklessly dropped after his death in 1997. So it is to this end that a new political entity has been established and registered with the Electoral Commission in Britain to represent the mainstream view that the UK should have the right to a referendum on its continued membership of the EU.

On September 13, we submitted the latest 100,000 signatures to 10 Downing Street. In doing so, we challenged British Prime Minister David Cameron and the government to enable an ‘in or out’ vote by 2014. The people must have the chance to vote for a referendum ahead of the next European elections in 2014. We are picking up this vitally important baton for the citizens of Britain and, this time, we will keep a firm grip on it until we have crossed the finishing line.

Candidates will stand under a united banner declaring: “We demand a referendum – let the people decide. They will share a single aim – to force a decisive referendum on the issue of Europe. We need to settle the debate once and for all. You might be asking why we are not simply endorsing an anti-Europe party in 2014. The answer is simple. It is because our campaign has, from the start, been completely politically neutral. In doing so, we have brought together people from across the political spectrum to achieve things that otherwise would not have been possible.

The importance of forcing a referendum is far bigger than any party. We strive to go beyond party politics, which is why it is important to let the people make decisions – not the politicians. It is up to us to honour our duty to do everything within our power to enable a referendum. We will have far greater success if we can first deliver the answer to the question that no other party is asking – do we want in, or out, of Europe? It is up to the citizens of the UK to decide.

Nikki Sinclaire is an independent MEP representing the West Midlands, in the United Kingdom, and spearheads the new political movement Let the People Decide

To view the original of this article CLICK HERE
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NEW EUroRealist GROUP LAUNCHED

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NEW EUroRealist GROUP LAUNCHED
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NEW EUroRealist GROUP LAUNCHED

In The Sun Today!

by TEAM SINCLAIRE!

The Mini Campaigner!

‘We Demand A Referendum’!

‘Let The People Decide’!!

The Sunday Mercury coverage (CLICK The Pic. to view larger to read text!).

Also covered in The Sun AND The Sun’s supportive editorial.

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Hi,
yet again Nikki Sinclaire‘s team make a huge effort to support the cause of Leave-The-EUAnother huge and impressive first for Team Sinclaire where the first huge ‘RESULT’ was presenting a petition of well over 100,000 signatures and a supporting poll delivered to Downing Street and registered at Parliament forcing Parliament to have a full blown debate on Britain’s relationship and the majority view that we will be ‘Better-Off-Out‘.That was a year ago and then a new petition was delivered on Thursday this week with another 100,000 signatures demanding an IN / OUT Referendum under the slogan ‘LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE‘.This latest petition was written up as an article in The Sun last Sunday and in The Express on Monday and also covered in The Sun editorial. Also covered in other media. (The articles can be viewed and read in previous blogs on this site).

This petition is once again given gravitas and supported by a poll showing 56% of the electorate want an IN / OUT Referendum and 71% do NOT trust their own politicians on issues relative to the EU.
Now today we note the new announcement in The Sun and trailed yesterday based upon a leak on my Twitter!

EU vote party takes on Cameron

Referendum … or they fight ALL Euro seats

EXCLUSIVE
By DAVID WOODING, Associate Political Editor
Published: 1 hr ago
Katie Hopkins
 Candidate … Katie Hopkins from The Apprentice
 
CAMPAIGNERS fighting for a referendum over Britain’s EU membership have formed a party to take on the Tories.

Candidates have been lined up to stand in the European elections unless PM David Cameron offers a straight in-or-out vote.

TV’s Apprentice contestant Katie Hopkins is among those who will fight all 73 UK seats for the single-issue “We Demand A Referendum Party”.

It is a major headache for the PM — as a poll showed it could win enough popular support to wipe out the Tories.

It has been set up by the campaign which last week handed a 100,000-name petition to Number 10. A third of adults said they would vote for it in the 2014 Euro elections, according to a YouGov poll. That would make it the largest British group in the parliament.

It is seen as the rebirth of Sir James Goldsmith’s Referendum Party, which cost the Tories dear in the 1997 General Election. It is even using Sir James’s slogan for its ballot paper listing: “Let the people decide.”

Mrs Hopkins said: “Our Government is frightened of asking the question about whether we want to be in or out of Europe because they’re frightened that they’ll not like the answer.”

– EX-Chancellor Lord Lamont dealt a blow to the PM as he said the Tories were more popular after Black Wednesday 20 years ago — when the UK left the European Exchange Rate Mechanism — than today.

to view the original article CLICK HERETo view more details on this issue view my preceding blogs and also:To quote The Sun’s columnist Toby Young:

 Jose Manuel Barroso, the unelected leader of the EC, announced to a stunned European Parliament on Wednesday that he would bring forward plans for a fiscal, economic and political union before the next European elections.

That means changes to the European Union’s treaties could be set in motion at any point after June 8, 2014, something that would automatically trigger a vote in the United Kingdom as a result of the “referendum lock” in the 2011 EU Act.

It’s no secret that David Cameron is hoping to put off a referendum until after our next General Election, not least because it would rupture the Coalition and divide his own party. But following Barroso’s speech he probably won’t have a choice. For Eurosceptics like me, this is fantastic news.

I’ve long held the view that the sooner we have a referendum on our continuing membership of the EU, the better.

To view the full article CLICK HERE & to quote the leader of the new group Nikki Sinclaire:

MEP NIKKI SINCLAIRE FOUNDS NEW POLITICAL MOVEMENT

 
Leading Activisys of New Movement
 
 
A NEW A new political movement has been launched to allow British people the opportunity to demand a referendum at the European Elections in 2014.
It comes in the wake of a YouGov opinion poll that shows a third of UK adults said they would ignore party loyalty to vote for an entity whose sole manifesto was to urge for a straight forward In-Out referendum.
The movement has been registered with the Electoral Commission as “We Demand a Referendum” and will carry the slogan imbedded in the emblem from Jimmy Goldsmith’s Referendum Party of “Let the People Decide”.
“We Demand a Referendum” has been set up by the Campaign for a Referendum team that delivered two petitions totalling more than 220,000 signatures to Downing Street and also forced a parliamentary debate last year that led to a huge Tory rebellion.
It is a single-issue political body that challenges David Cameron to call an In-Out referendum by 2014.
A YouGov poll last week showed that 65% of Tory voters want a referendum – much more than the average of 56% from all voters.
“We Demand a Referendum” will be fielding candidates in every region of the country and could take between eight and 22 seats in the European Elections, according to the YouGov poll commissioned by the body’s chairman – West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire.
 
Katie Hopkins and Nikki Sinclaire MEP
One of those candidates will be former Apprentice star Katie Hopkins who will be the lead candidate in the South West. Katie will need only 10% of the vote to be elected under the system used in the election.
All candidates will share a single aim – to force a decisive referendum on the issue of Europe by sending a strong message to the government ahead of the General Election in 2015.
“The Politicians have failed the people on the EU,” said Nikki Sinclaire.
 

“Promise after promise has been broken by all parties and it is time for the people to empower themselves and demand a referendum!

“Why are they so afraid of the people? Why won’t they let us decide? And why do they continue to patronise us with their ‘we know better’ attitude?”
 
TV personality and businesswoman Katie Hopkins added: “Sometimes tough questions have to be asked.
 
“I often hear people say ‘I didn’t ask because I was frightened I might not like the answer’ and I think this is true for the referendum on Europe.
 
“I believe that our government is frightened of asking the question about whether we want to be in or out of Europe, because they are frightened that they will not like the answer.”
 
Katie added: “The importance of forcing an EU referendum is far bigger than any party. We strive to go beyond party politics and, as our campaign slogan says, we want to Let the People Decide!”

We Demand a Referendum will hold its inaugural conference at Westminster Central Hall in London on Friday October 5.

 YOUGOV POLL:

Candidates from the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, UK Independence Party and other parties will be standing in the 2014 European Elections. However, suppose a new political entity was set up for these elections and their only policy was to demand a referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union.
How likely, if at all, would it be that you support this new, single issue entity in the 2014 European Elections only?
 
I would definitely vote for that option 16 16 14 13 23 14 12 18 14 11 8 17 24 15 18 6 19 18 16 15
I would probably vote for that option 17 25 12 19 22 12 18 18 17 12 14 20 20 16 19 18 17 18 18 14
TOTAL WOULD VOTE 33 41 26 32 45 26 30 36 31 23 22 37 44 31 37 24 36 36 34 29
I would probably not vote for that option 14 19 15 7 16 14 13 16 13 15 18 14 12 17 11 23 13 13 15 10
I would definitely not vote for that option 21 15 30 45 12 28 30 26 17 26 16 22 22 26 14 24 19 20 23 24
TOTAL WOULDN’T VOTE 35 34 45 52 28 42 43 42 30 41 34 36 34 43 25 47 32 33 38 34
Don’t know 31 26 29 16 27 32 27 22 39 37 44 27 22 26 38 28 32 31 29 38
All figures, unless otherwise stated, are from YouGov Plc.  Total sample size was 1,474 adults. Fieldwork was undertaken between 4th – 5th September 2012.  The survey was carried out online. The figures have been weighted and are representative of all GB adults (aged 18+).
 
I have commented:
 

Hi,

please can you supply a URL for the YouGov Poll with all its details – thanks.

Congratulations to you and your team for your latest petition and poll and for this new launch of your group as a mono issue party seeking votes on the primal issue of democracy and a demand for an IN / OUT referendum relative to EU membership which underpins every aspect of our lives and costs each of us £6,000 a year and a direct cost of £35,000 a minute every minute of the year!

Time to enforce The UN fundamental Human Right of ‘Self Determination’ and vote to Leave-The-EU.

Welcome to Katie Hopkins, George Hargreaves (Christian Party?), Martin Harvey (who used to pay Marta Andreasen’s salary for UKIP, until he was abused by Farage & saw through the cherade and Marta Andreasen’s lies, dishonesty & corruption no doubt!).

AND of course well done to the rest of Team Sinclaire incl. Josh O’Nions the campaign manager from the start.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

YOU can support the new organisation by promoting this web site so that others can get the details and also you can sign the petition at:
.

Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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