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BBC features ‘We Demand A Referendum’ Conference

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/10/2012

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BBC features ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign’s inagural Conference at Westminster Hall today!!

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here is the first picture to emerge from the We Demand A Referendum Party inaugural Conference at Westminster Hall today:
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You will also note that some odious coward has launched a site to defame and denigrate the efforts and patriotism of Nikki Sinclaire, Katie Hopkins and Gary Cartwright SO FAR!

Exactly as I predicted would happen to assist The EU and its army of bribed supporters.

Interesting that it is in almost the exact style of the UKIP site run by a vile little twerp, also too ashamed to put his name to his odious and self serving comments who passed himself off as Skeptyk – Usefull idiots are a dime a dozen and UKIP leadership would seem to have an overdose of them – One can understand the fact that they are embarrassed that ordinary people with ordinary backgrounds and no material funding from the public purse have shown them for what they are – USELESS!

Face facts: In 20 years at a cost of around £50,000,000 from the public purse UKIP has achieved the sum total of zero to move this country one fraction of an inch closer to the aim to Leave-The-EU but in a very short time as an elected MEP Team Sinclaire hasd achieved all this!

Hardly surprising the low lifes seek to attack Sinclaire!

Unlike UKIP’s MEPs none of this new Party’s main characters have been sent tyo prison and or ordered to repay huge sums to the public purse.

Further – unlike Farage, Titford, Graham Booth, Stuart Agnew, David Bannerman, Tom Wiser, and Derek Clark Nikki Sinclaire has not been investigated by OLAF that anyone has managed to show – nor is she under investigation unlike Stuart Agnew & David Bannerman whilst the rest were found guilty and had to pay back money they had missappropriated!

Lets leave the muck racking of private lives to the scum working to help The EU and concentrate on the efforts of Sinclaire, Hopkins, Cartwright and their supporters to gain an IN / OUT Referendum based on the results of a Royal Commission and a free, fair and equally funded Referendum without foreign intervention from The EU and its corrupt supporters!

We note the EU’s friends with their spoof site and tittle tattle have failed to show any single solitary offence of those in the new party that are not well known in spades from the shower of self serving UKIP leadership and their fellow travellers!

Shock Horror – we are told Katie Hopkins when single had an afair!

Wow – we are told that shortly after service to his country in The RAF Gary Cartwright was briefly involved, as he found his feet in civvie street with a strage group of politicians lets face it UKIP is a member of the overtly anti Jewish, anti homosexual, holocaust denying, racists and supporters of Anders Breivick – In fact Nigel Farage leads not only his party but the odious EFD extremist group in The EU’s gutters!

Good luck to The We Demand A Referendum campaign – I hope your conference will attract many more followers in the longer term, gain a Royal Commission and  work to Leave-The-EU!

New EU referendum party holding first conference

Katie HopkinsFormer Apprentice contestant Katie Hopkins is backing the new party

A former Apprentice contestant and several ex-UKIP politicians are among those attending the first meeting of a new party calling for a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU.

The We Demand a Referendum party was launched last month by Nikki Sinclaire, a member of the European Parliament.

The party, whose slogan is “let the people the decide”, is holding its first conference in central London

Ms Sinclaire, who left UKIP in 2010, insists the party is not eurosceptic.

The party’s leading figures also include Roger Knapman – who led the UK Independence Party until 2006.

‘Distraction’Ms Sinclaire says We Demand a Referendum will stand candidates in every region in 2014’s European elections unless Prime Minister David Cameron sets the date for a vote to decide whether or not the UK remains a member of the European Union.

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If Mr Cameron won’t give us a vote, then we’ll simply demand one at the 2014 European elections”

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“We’ve proven that six out of 10 people now want a referendum on this issue,” she said.

“It is time to let the people decide. If Mr Cameron won’t give us a vote, then we’ll simply demand one at the 2014 European elections”.

A spokesman for the UK Independence Party, which has long campaigned for the UK to exit the EU, described We Demand a Referendum as a “distraction”.

“You’ve had a whole range of withdrawlist parties and independent candidates standing and all have sank without trace,” he said. “Their heart’s in the right place but we feel the same will happen in this instance.”

Other issuesJoining Ms Sinclaire at the party’s inaugural conference on Friday are Katie Hopkins, a former contestant on the BBC’s Apprentice show, and the right-wing broadcaster Charlie Woolf.

Ms Hopkins told the BBC’s Daily Politics in September that the party is also campaigning on issues such as traveller sites and fighting for small businesses.

Party founder Ms Sinclaire was suspended from UKIP in 2010 and subsequently expelled.

She has since won a sex discrimination claim against the party and, until recently, sat as an independent in Brussels.

Last year she was behind a petition of 100,000 signatures calling for a referendum on the UK’s future relationship with the EU.

The petition led to a House of Commons debate on the issue and 81 Conservative MPs defied David Cameron to support an “in-out” vote.

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Who might win a British referendum on Europe? AN OPINION!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/10/2012

Who might win a British referendum on Europe? AN OPINION!

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Who might win a British referendum on Europe?
AN OPINION!
By: Peter Kellner of You.Gov. for E.C.F.R.!

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before reading Peter Kelners selective opinion on the outcome of an IN/OUT Referendum do read the two main questions below and the two versions in each question.
Then ask how you would have phrased them to obtain the answer YOU want!

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A special relationship with Europe?

Statement A:

‘Whether we like it or not, Britain must work especially closely with the rest of Europe if it is to prosper in the 21st century. That does not necessarily mean accepting the European Union as it is. Nor does it mean that Britain must work for a ‘United States of Europe’. It does mean that, inside or outside the EU, we must recognise that we are a European nation.’

38%
I agree with both statements to the same degree
14%

Statement B:

‘As an island with a long history of connections with the rest of the world, a major role in the Commonwealth and a ‘special relationship’ with the USA, Britain has no need to give extra weight to its links with the rest of Europe. Britain is most likely to prosper if it treats the rest of Europe as no more important to us than any other part of the world.’
35%

Neither / Don’t know
13%

Pro-EU v anti-EU

Statement A:

‘For all its faults, the European Union is a pioneering example of the way different countries can work together for mutual benefit. Over the past half century, the EU has helped Europe to become more peaceful, democratic and prosperous than at any time in the continent’s history.’
25%

I agree with both statements to the same degree
8%

Statement B:

‘The EU has failed. It is expensive, inefficient and overbearing. It stops the governments of member states from doing the things they need to do improve the lives of their citizens. The EU has had nothing to do with Europe being more peaceful, democratic and prosperous than it used to be.’
52%

Neither / Don’t know
14%

Source; YouGov; sample 1,743; Fieldwork: August 20-21, 2012

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Worried Nationalists, Pragmatic Nationalists and Progressive Internationalists – Who might win a British referendum on Europe?

By Peter Kellner – October 2012

In a democracy, public opinion always matters; but British attitudes to Europe matter more than usual. This is partly because a referendum on Britain and the EU in the next few years is a distinct possibility; partly because Europe is an especially divisive issue on the political Right, with the United Kingdom Independence Party threatening to overtake the Conservatives at the European Parliament elections in 2014; and partly because any major change in the way the EU works requires the consent of all EU members, so Britain has a veto – and all the main parties have promised that they will wield the veto unless they have public consent.
YouGov has conducted fresh research for ECFR into the roots of British attitudes to Europe. It finds that the attitudes of millions of voters to the EU are intimately linked to their view of Britain itself, to their view of how our society is evolving, and extent to which they want Britain to engage with the rest of the world generally.
However, before we examine these results, two initial points should be made.
The first is that Britons are consistently more Eurosceptic than the people of any other major EU country. For example in the Eurobarometer survey conducted earlier this year only 27% of Britons were very or fairly attached to the EU, last by a significant margin out of all member states (the EU average was 46% with the other five largest members registering between 60% and 45%). 72% of Britain were ‘not very’ or ‘not at all’ attached (the EU average was 52% with the other five largest states between 34% and 53%). Even though enthusiasm for the EU has waned in the countries hardest hit by the economic crisis (such as Spain, Italy and even Greece), they still remain keener Europeans than the British.
The second point is that millions of Britons think the issue of Europe matters a lot to Britain – but not to them and their families. Again, this is supported by polling. In a YouGov poll in August 2012 Britons named Europe as the fourth most important issue facing the country (of twelve that were listed, behind the economy, immigration and asylum, and health), but only the tenth most important for them and their families.
These two points raise important practical questions about the way public opinion might evolve in a referendum on Europe – either a straight in/out referendum on British
membership of the EU, or a vote on revisions to the EU treaties, or a general election in which Europe were a central issue. Such a contest would almost certainly raise the saliency of Europe in voters’ minds, probably a lot. Would our national scepticism weaken, or persist, or become more intense?
History provides one direct comparison – the referendum held in June 1975 on whether Britain should stay in the Common Market (as it then was). Then, as now, the Prime Minister, then Labour’s Harold Wilson, had a problem managing party divisions. Then, as now, most voters wanted to leave the Common Market (as it then was). Then, as now, polling (specifically, a Gallup Poll in November 1974) suggested that if the Prime Minister renegotiated the terms of Britain’s membership and recommended acceptance of the new terms, opinion would swing in favour of British membership.
Wilson did talk to his European partners, and did claim a great victory (though dispassionate observers could find very little change in Britain’s membership terms). And voters duly rewarded him with a 2-1 majority for staying ‘in Europe’.
Suppose that this time, a referendum were held after the Eurozone crisis fades, and David Cameron were able to say that he has been able to negotiate a deal that protects Britain’s interests. What then?
In July this year, YouGov asked this question: ‘Imagine the British government under David Cameron renegotiated our relationship with Europe and said that Britain’s interests were now protected, and David Cameron recommended that Britain remain a member of the European Union on the new terms. How would you then vote in a referendum on the issue?’
This time, 42% say they would vote to stay in, while 34% would vote to leave. Tory voters swing right round, from 58-29% for leaving the EU when we ask the conventional in-out referendum question, to 55-34% for staying in, if that is what the Prime Minister recommends.
This suggests that now, as in 1975, public opinion is not completely fixed. However, we tested just one hypothesis. The precise nature and context of any vote is hard to predict; and in any event, people are not always good predictors of their own attitudes two or three years ahead. Our results indicate the potential for volatility, not the certain outcome of an intensely-fought referendum campaign.
What we CAN do is explore the sources of public attitudes to Europe. Why do people think as they do about Britain and the EU? This is what YouGov’s fresh research for ECFR has sought to find out. We asked people to consider eight pairs of statements and say, in each case, which they agreed with more. Two pairs explored attitudes to Britain; another two, recent and future trends about life in Britain; two looked at attitudes to the world as a whole; the final two specifically considered Britain and Europe. The main table shows the results.
The roots of British attitudes to Europe
Here are some pairs of statements. For each pair, please indicate whether you agree more with Statement A or statement B.
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Traditions v values
Statement A – ‘The best things about Britain are to do with its history, geography and traditions – things like the monarchy, the countryside, warm beer and cricket on the village green, and our history of standing alone against Hitler in the Second World War.’
44
I agree with both statements to the same degree
25
Statement B – ‘The best things about Britain are to do with its values of tolerance, democracy and fair play – things like free speech, the right to protest, and the way we have welcomed people from all over the world who wish to settle here.’
21
Neither / Don’t know
10
Has Britain been going to the dogs?
Statement A – ‘Taking everything into account – especially modern technology (such as the Internet and mobile phones), rising life expectancy, more interesting jobs, the huge choice of food, clothes, culture and leisure opportunities that previous generations could only dream of – life in Britain today is generally better than it was 30 or 40 years ago.’
40
I agree with both statements to the same degree
16
Statement B – ‘Taking everything into account – especially large-scale immigration, high unemployment, unruly schools, drug pushing, drunken hooligans, lax moral standards and gang wars in many cities – life in Britain today is generally worse than it was 30 or 40 years ago.’
37
Neirther / Don’t know
7
Optimism v pessimism
Statement A – ‘Despite Britain’s current economic problems, I am basically confident about the long-term future. Our children’s generation is likely to end up enjoying a better standard of living than our generation, just as our generation has broadly been better off in material terms than our parents’ generation.’
23
I agree with both statements to the same degree
9
Statement B – ‘I am not at all confident that the pattern will continue, of each generation being better off than its parents’ generation. I fear that our children’s generation will find it harder throughout their lives than ours to enjoy a reasonable standard of living.’
59
Neither / Don’t know
9
British exceptionalism?
Statement A – ‘It’s understandable that people throughout the world are patriots who are proud of their own country. But Britain’s history and character make our country special. We really do have more reason to be proud of our country than people in most other countries have reason to be proud of theirs.’
25
I agree with both statements to the same degree
15
Statement B – ‘It’s natural to be proud of one’s own country, but if we are honest we should recognise that no country is fundamentally superior to any other. People in much of the world have just as much reason to be proud of their country as we have to be proud of ours.’
52
Neither / Don’t know
8
Can Britain go it alone?
Statement A – ‘In today’s world, with global trade and global companies, there are severe limits to what Britain can achieve on its own. We must work closely with other countries and with global institutions such as the United Nations, the Commonwealth and the World Trade Organisation if we are to maximise our influence and prosperity’
40
I agree with both statements to the same degree
13
Statement B – ‘The case for global rules and institutions is often overstated, and their so-called benefits an illusion. Britain is perfectly able to decide for itself how best to run its affairs and relate to other countries. Britain should seek to control its destiny without worrying about the rest of the world.’
35
Neither / Don’t know
12
For or against overseas aid?
Statement A – ‘It is in Britain’s interests to help the world’s poorer countries to become better off. This would be good for British exports and British jobs – and reduce the danger of conflict and terrorism. For these reasons there is a strong practical as well as moral argument for maintaining our spending on international development.’
32
I agree with both statements to the same degree
11
Statement B – ‘Money spent on international aid is largely wasted. It supports corrupt regimes and ends up doing little or nothing to support development or reduce conflict or terrorism. There is neither a moral nor a practical case for such spending. Britain should look after itself, and leave poorer countries to sort themselves out.’
48
Neither / Don’t know
9
A special relationship with Europe?
Statement A – ‘Whether we like it or not, Britain must work especially closely with the rest of Europe if it is to prosper in the 21st century. That does not necessarily mean accepting the European Union as it is. Nor does it mean that Britain must work for a ‘United States of Europe’. It does mean that, inside or outside the EU, we must recognise that we are a European nation.’
38
I agree with both statements to the same degree
14
Statement B – ‘As an island with a long history of connections with the rest of the world, a major role in the Commonwealth and a ‘special relationship’ with the USA, Britain has no need to give extra weight to its links with the rest of Europe. Britain is most likely to prosper if it treats the rest of Europe as no more important to us than any other part of the world.’
35
Neither / Don’t know
13
Pro-EU v anti-EU
Statement A – ‘For all its faults, the European Union is a pioneering example of the way different countries can work together for mutual benefit. Over the past half century, the EU has helped Europe to become more peaceful, democratic and prosperous than at any time in the continent’s history.’
25
I agree with both statements to the same degree
8
Statement B – ‘The EU has failed. It is expensive, inefficient and overbearing. It stops the governments of member states from doing the things they need to do improve the lives of their citizens. The EU has had nothing to do with Europe being more peaceful, democratic and prosperous than it used to be.’
52
Neither / Don’t know
14
Source; YouGov; sample 1,743; Fieldwork: August 20-21, 2012
Different people will find significance in different findings: the widespread pessimism about the prospects for the next generation, for example, or the popularity of British traditions, or the divided views about whether Britain should work especially closely with the rest of Europe; or – most relevant to this analysis – the two-to-one majority regarding the EU as fundamentally a failure rather than a success.
However, the main reason for asking these questions together is to explore the connections among these attitudes. How far, if at all, do our attitudes to the EU flow from specific concerns about the way Brussels works, and how far from views about the state of Britain itself and/or our optimism or pessimism towards the future and/or our wider sense of whether Britain should engage with the rest of the world or try to keep it at bay?
Two statistical techniques help us to answer these questions. One is bivariate correlation analysis, the other cluster analysis. Let us consider these in turn.
With correlation analysis we count how frequently answers to different questions coincide. Suppose we conducted poll on television and asked whether people like or dislike (a) Doctor Who and (b) the X factor. If everyone who liked one programme liked the other, then correlation analysis would yield a coefficient of plus one. If, on the other hand, all Dr Who viewers hated the X Factor, and vice versa, then we would have a coefficient of minus one. If there were no link between the two views, then the regression coefficient would be zero.
Now let’s apply this to the data in our survey. The strongest correlations with attitudes to the EU concern Britain’s general place in the world. Supporters of overseas aid tend to be pro-EU; opponents of overseas aid are overwhelmingly anti-EU. The correlation coefficient between the two is 0.5 – which statisticians consider a high figure. It’s a similar story, with almost exactly the same coefficient, when we compare attitudes to the EU with those to Britain’s place in the world generally. The more strongly people agree with the view that Britain must work closely with global organisations such as the United Nations, the more likely they are to be pro-EU.
There is also a clear, though lesser, correlation between how we view the EU and whether we think Britain has grown better or worse in the past 30-40 years. By three-to-one, pro-EU respondents think Britain has improved, while by five-to-three, those who regard the EU as a failure think Britain has got worse. The correlation is 0.3. A similar figure applies when we compare expectations for the future, and whether or not our children’s generation will be better off than ours: Those who are pro-EU divide evenly between optimists and pessimists, while those who are anti-EU are overwhelmingly pessimistic.
This correlation analysis takes us some way down the track of understanding the different forces at work on public attitudes to Europe. But we need to delve further, for these forces are not wholly independent of each other. For example, supporters of overseas aid are more likely than opponents to be optimists. One way to analyse these factors together is to do cluster analysis. The computer examines the pattern of responses, and creates clusters of broadly like-minded respondents. When we do this, we find that most Britons belong to one of three groups:
Worried nationalists (WNs): 42%. They tend to have a traditional view of Britain, are pessimistic about the future and, were Britain a castle surrounded by a moat, would want the drawbridge up most of the time, in order to keep the rest of the world at bay. They tend to dislike overseas aid and think Britain should not bother too much with the global bodies such as the United Nations. The vast majority of them think the EU has been a failure.
WNs divide evenly between Labour and Conservatives. 15% of them support UKIP (twice the national average) and just 5% are Liberal Democrats (half the national average). They are slightly more likely than the general population to be women and to read the Sun or the Mail, and less likely to have a university degree.
Pragmatic nationalists (PNs): 23%. Like the WNs, PNs tend to have a traditional view of Britain, but tend to be less pessimistic about the way Britain is heading. They are divided about the merits of overseas aid, but tend to think Britain does need to co-operate with global institutions. Were Britain a castle, they would lower the drawbridge more often than the WNs, to allow more contact with the outside world. They are divided on whether the EU has been successful, but tend not to have strong feelings either way.
PNs also divide evenly between Labour and Conservative. The share of Liberal Democrats is in line with the national average; but only 3% would vote UKIP. Otherwise, their demographic profile is similar to that of Britain as a whole.
Progressive internationalists (PIs): 25%. Here, “progressive” is used not so much as a left-of-centre label, but in the sense of holding a view that history tends towards greater prosperity and enlightenment. Their view of Britain tends to be rooted in values more than tradition; they generally think Britain is a better place today than was a generation ago but are less certain about the future. Overwhelmingly, PIs think Britain must play a full role in global institutions, most support our international aid programme and, by three-to-one, they think the EU is a success story. They are happy for the drawbridge linking Britain to the rest of the world to stay down.
Two-thirds of PIs would vote Labour (52%) or Lib Dem (14%); just 23% would vote Conservative. They are more likely than the national average to be men, to have university degrees and to read the ‘broadsheet’ newspapers.
It should be stressed that these groups are not completely homogeneous; and there are another 10% of the electorate that don’t fit any of them (though this last group tends to have no clear views of these issues, and few of them are likely to vote in any election or referendum). Even within each group, there are some people who fit most but by no means all of the descriptions given. For example, there are internationally-minded optimists who reject the traditional view of British life and approve of overseas aid, but still dislike the EU. However, there aren’t very many of them.
The broader lesson is that those who seek to persuade Britons either to love or to hate Brussels by stressing the precise wording of EU treaties, or the details of the Common Agricultural Policy, or the merits of the Working Time Directive, are wasting their time. Few people think about the EU in these terms; and the few who do are probably committed
enthusiasts for, or utterly hostile to, the whole project; so their votes are locked up. For most people, attitudes to the EU are shaped by two broad things: their view of Britain itself, and how far they are at ease with the direction in which our society is heading. As with so much else in politics, fear is a big driver of public attitudes. At the moment, the fear factor is working hard for the EU’s opponents.
This analysis suggests two big implications.
First, Worried Nationalists comprise by far the biggest single group. In a referendum on whether to leave the EU, Worried Nationalists give the anti-EU lobby a head start. Although they could be outvoted if virtually all the Pragmatic Nationalists lined up against them with the Progressive Internationalists, I find it hard in practice to see how the British would vote to stay in the EU unless a fair number of nationalists could be lured from the “worried” to the “pragmatic” column.
Although we don’t have this kind of data for 1975, there can be little doubt that this is a big part of what happened 37 years ago. Many voters who started out both disliking the Common Market and fearful of Britain’s future, ended up fearing that Britain would be worse off out in the cold. They decided on pragmatic grounds to swallow their dislike of “Europe” and vote to stay in. If an in-out referendum is held in the next few years, the pro-EU lobby will need to achieve the same shift and change the way the fear factor works.
Secondly, if the WN column can be reduced to, say, 35% or less in a referendum campaign, then the PNs will become the swing group. Their votes will decide whether Britain leaves the EU or stays in. As in 1975, the fear factor will loom large. But this is part of a wider point. By its nature, pragmatism is concerned more with practical and often short-term outcomes, rather than big visions and long-term dreams. PNs are unlikely to be swayed either by those who summon the spirits of Shakespeare, Agincourt and Elizabeth I – or by those who wax lyrical about peace in Europe and the continent’s shared cultural heritage. “Rule Britannia” and “Ode to Joy” might stir the partisans, but they will leave the pragmatists cold. To them, the big picture will matter far more: which is more likely to boost jobs, prosperity and our children’s future: maintaining our partnership with our European neighbours or arranging a divorce?
In short, campaigning by both sides is likely to be scrappy and negative. It may be the least bad way to decide Britain’s relations with the rest of Europe, but only a wild optimist could think it a glorious way.
Peter Kellner is a journalist, political commentator, and President of YouGov.

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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The Beatles ‘Love Me Do’ released 50 years ago today!

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The Beatles ‘Love Me Do’ released 50 years ago today!

As was the launch of the first ‘James Bond‘ film with the iconic British flag waving!

Today in 2012 is the inaugural Conference of:
‘We Want A Referendum’ campaign at Westminster Hall!

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Hi,today – Friday 05-Sept-1962 was the day on which the original Beatles line up, before Ringo Starr joined the group, released their first single.

It is the 50th anniversary of the release of Love Me Do:

Today is also the anniversary of the iconic British series of James Bond films with the release of Sean Connery as James Bond in the film ‘Dr. NO
It is also the actual day today of the inagural conference of the new British political party ‘We Demand A Referendum‘ I shall campaign and support the campaign to ‘Let The People Decide‘  based on the FACTS provided by a Royal Commission with no additional commitment to The EU and no further payments until AFTER The IN / OUT Referendum is held with equal funding and equal media coverage for both sides and absolutely NO interference from corrupt external sources such as The EU and its puppets.I shall campaign and support a NO vote launched today since it is the 50th. anniversary of Doctor NO let us hope when we Leave-The-EU it will prove as great a success as James Bond!

Good luck to Nikki Sinclaire and her team in their campaign for a referendum – just as with The Beatles 50 years ago – who would have expected such a huge success – I did when I bought my copy of the 45rpm single Love Me Do with ‘PS I Love You’ on the flip side, on the day it was released in Germany where I lived at the time or back at school in Bristol, which I can’t remember as I was 16 and much has happened since!

I do well remember that at the time I was vehemently opposed to Britain ever joining the then EEC (EUropaische Wirtschaft Gemeinschaft!)

Today I’m looking forward to the start of something big that 50 years on will be seen as the great turning point in British history when the people of Britain started to stand on their own feet once more with the determination to excerciswe their fundamental human right of ‘Self Determination‘ sickened by the betrayal of their Country, their ancestors, their descendants and themselves by their low caliber self serving, self enriching politicial elite and their corrupt Civil Servants and State Broadcasters.

The new Movement has been launched as a political party not to gain seats but to comply with Electoral Commission law and gain influence and today with almost 1/4 Million signatures and a House of Commons debate already achieved having only launched the movement formally just a couple of weeks ago to get anything over 100 to attend their inagural conference at Westminster Hall will be a great step forward today.

 

Already Nikki Sinclaire has been on radio today promoting her team and their aims.

I hope all goes well for them and their genuine supporters – there will of course be many who after years of being paid £Millions to achieve this great step will be embarrassed at their total failure to deliver who will snipe and detract from the achievement and seek every way they can to denigrate it just as there will be many a ‘band wagon’ jumper trying to pretend it is their achievement just as UKIP leadership did as they paraded up and down outside Parliament at Westminster whilst the debate Team Sinclaire had achieved went on inside!

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UKIP: Gary Cartwright on Nigel Farage

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 04/10/2012

UKIP: Gary Cartwright on Nigel Farage

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UKIP: Gary Cartwright on Nigel Farage who is UKIP!

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UKIP: Gary Cartwright on Nigel Farage

From Gary Cartwright’s blog:

I was highly amused to see a certain party leader looking like a scared rabbit caught in car headlights, desperately explaining to a Tory chum his thoughts on a referendum in Brussels a couple of weeks ago.

I wonder what has suddenly made him so concerned about a referendum now?

Better Late Than Never!
Demanding of David Cameron a promise of a referendum “written in blood” is all jolly stirring stuff, but when the person in question didn’t actually sign the petition calling for a referendum until after it had actually been presented to 10 Downing Street, those words sound somewhat hollow. But words are cheap, and easy to come by.
Unlike collecting 220,000 signatures, forcing a debate in the Commons, and provoking a back-bench revolt, all of which required great effort and some financial cost, words actually count for little unless they are backed up with deeds. UKIP’s words rarely seem to be backed up with deeds. The party has descended into a world of yaa-boo politics: name calling and jeering from the sidelines. The party is simply not interesting anymore.

It amused me, although it did not surprise me, when after the first 100,000 signatures were handed in and we learned there was to be a debate on a referendum on our continued membership of the EU, no less than 3 other groups tried to take the credit for it. I remember well UKIP’s feeble and half-hearted attempt at raising a petition. It appers to have acheived nothing – apart that is from an expenditure of a substantial 6 figure sum. I have often wondered where that money went…

As we approach our inaugural conference on Friday 5th, at Westminster Central Hall, I expect the usual libels and slanders that I have come to expect from the UKIP press office to start oozing to the surface. If you can’t do anything, attack those who can, seems to be the strategy. Probably the only strategy UKIP has, I am afraid.

When I think of the UKIP press office, for some reason the words of Lewis Carroll: “T’was brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe…” come into my mind.

To read the original: LINK
To which I have responded:

Hi,

do you not feel Gary is being a little harsh on Farage’s party, when after all it has only cost the tax payers around £50,000,000 over the years for UKIP to achieve the sum total of:

– come to think of it, beyond defame and malign a lot of people, wind up with MEPs in prison, lie to the Courts and to the police what have they achieved of value?

Then of course there was the way in which they seem to have slept their way into the choice of all too many of their staff, lied on a consistent basis, both to Regional Committees, electorate and members about their various thefts and sordid corruption.

Might it be: What seems to have been over egging the rigging of a vote, to do away with member’s democratic input and turn the party into a one man band dictatorship, (as made abundantly clear in Marta Andreassen’s full interview given to Michael Crick – which one must assume will be presented in suitable form for an election!) with appointed pond life and low lifes doing as Farage orders as he holds the purse strings, all staff appointments, positions in selection lists, and of course it seems he hold the rigging rights for votes and funding for bribes!

Might their achievement be to have pulled together a leadership clique that hold onto office only by bribery, bullying, dishonesty and intimidation?

Could it be the facility of stealing money to use as bribes just as Tom Wise did though he was rightly sent to prison for his criminality!

One wonders why Derek Clark was not also as he was ordered to repay almost exactly the same sum which he had misappropriated and Nigel Farage, Graham Booth, and Jeffrey Titford were also ordered to repay money to the public purse.

I note you also do not know what happened to the money taken from the public purse by Farage, Lott, Croucher etc. for a petition which was never presented and were you not a staffer at the time! Seems UKIP leadership are consistent on one count – corruption.

Farage has time and again gone on public media and outright lied just as Malcolm Pearson lied when leader to deselect Nikki Sinclaire becauser as an MEP she was showing up the other UKIP MEPs with the transparency of her accounts and her dedication, ethicality and workload (a sure way to make enemies in UKIP!) currently Stuart Agnew and David Bannerman are, I am reliably informed – still under investigation by OLAF for their abuse of trust in elected office and misuse of public money (as with Tom Wise who went to prison for his crimes).

Interestingly UKIP make much of trying to befoul Sinclaire’s name yet OLAF have absolutely no interest in investigating her, despite what seem to be ‘set up fantasies’ spun to West Midlands Police by John Ison, seemingly for his preferment in political rivalry as promised by UKIP – and since only one man in UKIP makes the decisions clearly he must have authorised the attempted set up!

Sadly Gary – your posting is accurate and it is clear there isn’t a single solitary achievement of note for the £50,000,000 or so we, as tax payers, have permitted UKIP to steal, purloin, squander and abuse.

Yet it is possible to achieve as an MEP, as Nikki Sinclaire has most ably shown, even using her own money for the cause where the rest of UKIP leadership seem to think paying money for their own election is some sort of magnanimous gesture – beyond that what money has ANY UKIP MEP ever donated to the good of the party?

So sad when they had such potential and hardly surprising they try to jump on every passing band wagon!

In reality UKIP leadership are beneath contempt – just a gaggle of racist, abusive self seekers of little or no merit!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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Isn’t it astonishing that some of the most consistently corrupt politicians slide through every situation, be it drunkeness, consorting with prostitutes, self enrichment, sexual abuse, abuse of power need I go on? We all have watched in horrified disgust as ‘teflon coated politicians’ oleaginously slide through every challenge.
Tony Blair clocked up almosty every aspect of such horror and added war crimes and crimes against humanity unchallenged, as Clinton in his sexual inadequacy needed reassurance at every opportunity even so far as rape – it is not just Jimmy Saville and the entertainment business that expresses its inadequacies and inferiority by exploiting sex with the vulnerable.
Then again let us face it – since political decision making of any meaning is an undemocratic process of imposition by unelected beauraucrats on a top down basis with no regard to the wishes of the people most politicians are relegated to being little more than entertainers – perhaps this inadequacy explains the way in which so called leaders are able to act in a criminal manner or at best amorally!

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01594 – 528 337

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS: ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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‘WE DEMAND A REFERENDUM’ – Inaugural Conference

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‘WE DEMAND A REFERENDUM’ – Inaugural Conference!
THIS FRIDAY!

at: The Westminster Hall!

Info: from CLICK HERE & ALSO HERE

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We Demand A Referendum is pleased to announce its inaugural conference at Central Hall Westminster.

 
(Central Hall, Westminster, Storey’s Gate, London, SW1H 9NH)
 
 
 
The conference will be held on Friday 5th October from 10.30am – 3.30pm
 
Speakers on the day will include the following –
 
Nikki Sinclaire MEP
 
 
Katie Hopkins
 
 
 
George Hargreaves
 
 
Roger Knapman
 
 
 
+ A Guest Speaker
 
Places for this event are limited and we urge anybody who wishes to attend to book by calling the office on
 
0121 359 5933
 
For further information on this event please do not hestitate to contact the team on the above number, or email on info@letthepeopledecide.eu
 
 
Further meetings across the country will be held and announced in due course.

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Let us hope that they have booked the right sized rooms (a very difficult guess!) as they vary in size between over 2,000 and around 30 as I recall – personally I believe anything over 100 attending will be a success, as the organisation has been at relatively short notice and clearly the main parties are frightened of seeing their control to rig a referendum being challenged and are likely to try to sabotage the effort!

Even little UKIP who have shown that they are resoundingly rejected in domestic politics and only seem to have a following in EU protest antics, have been pulling out all the stops to try to sabotage the initiative!

There may be more in attendance than I expect, even The EU can be expected tobe sending spies and delegates to try to undermine this initiative!

Just think howmany €Millions,  of our money as tax payers, and howmany 1,000s of bribes were handed out by EU staffers and those living on EU bribes to try to get votes that The EU wanted in Ireland – against the wishes of the people of Ireland who were resoundingly betrayed by their own self seeking politicians!

Consider how regularly the British people have been lied to by their own politicians – Cameron, Heath, Rippon, Clegg, Farage, Clark and all in between, just to keep their snouts in the troughs on the EU Gravy Train.

Good luck to Team Sinclaire and I look forward to hearing all about the speakers and hope it will be videoed for those of us who can’t get there.

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Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values!

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Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values!
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Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values on The Politics Show!

We note Katie Hopkins has her own views as well as presenting the aims of the ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign and already the scum that support UKIP are posting web sites to defame and denigrate her, Nikki Sinclaire & Gary Cartwright from a position of obscene anonymity!

The fear is palpable as is the betrayal of the electorate for personal gain!

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Hi,

though I agree with the comment made by Team Junius, on their blog CLICK HERE, I do believe that they have failed to point out that the Farage Party, which represents the so called leadership clique and its claque of scuzzy self seekers, and NOT UKIP which is the well meaning, if stunningly naiive and ill informed 10,000 or so ordinary members who lend their names to the corruption, largely in innocence and a spirit of hope over experience.

Sadly the party is driven on as an unprofessional clique of self serving self interested and mutually self supporting and self enriching and unethical rascals.

It is clear they have no clear aims beyond the mantras that hide their own gain, be it sexual, financial or perceived status as they behave like a rather unpleasant gaggle of low lifes on a reality game show – endlessly attacking and abusing anyone who dares to hold an opinion that may counter or question theirs. None are so berated and abused as those who support the aims of UKIP but have seen through the charlatans who control it.

One need only see the fool Nuttall’s contortions to attack Katie Hopkins and the We Demand A Referendum campaign that has actually achieved something.

Nuttall even went so far as to make an issue of accusing them of vote splitting, no doubt in terror at the prospect of losing his over paid position and having to get a job, as he made it clear he considered MEPs to be ineffective and useless.

It is clear that the We Demand A Referendum campaign does not seek office and has no intention of being a political party and upsetting the carefully constructed LibLabEUkipCon of the two main parties and their acolytes, ensuring they remain on their respective gravy trains; merely working to ensure a referendum on their terms and show that the LibLabEUkipCon want no such fair and informed vote of the people (to appreciate this just read the Faragistas pamphlet on Referendum!).

In fact it was clear that what Team Junius had failed to point out was that The Faraginies have no vision, no strategy, no tactics, no exit and survival strategy and no future and are utterly dependent on pointing out the perceived failings of others, actual or imaginary, as they have not a single solitary achievement to their names and had Jimmy Goldsmith and The Referendum Party lived UKIP would already have faded into oblivion as just anothr gaggle of self seekers.

Farage’s Party is so bereft of aims and achievements and so without professionalism, as shown by the fact that after 20 years they have totally failed to build a team, a structure, MPs or even any sound base of elected councillors of any worth, or as Nuttall makes clear provide anyone of any note other than Farage!

Failed and rejected Tories, be they geriatric, crimional or merely fools, hardly represent success!

To try to promote poor old Lord whatever at the conference as a great achievement when he left the Tories around a decade ago, is virtually unknown to the peoples of Britain and retired long ago, shows the bankruptcy of the Farage Party and the insult to the intelligence of the electorate of fielding the proven corrupt dismissed ex Tory Niel Hamilton is no more than an embarrassment.

As one UKIP insider (with experience as a staffer in the claque) noted recently a good way to achieve prefferment in the Farage Party is to prostitute oneself to promotion!

Swanning around in The EU liberally greasing the wheels is no substitute for achievement and as far as I know was not what was meant by ‘climbing the greasy pole’!

That failed elderly Tories may provide a sad backdrop to the boudoir, the antics of the younger members and their obsession with their ‘members’ merely shows the party for the vile little gaggle of amoral, immoral, racist, abusive, anti homosexual, anti Jewish low lifes they indesputably are.

Check out the track record of the other scum in the EFD and then wonder at how the Farage clique and its claque fit so well in that environment of squalid hate and self enrichment!

My congratulations to We Demand A Referendum and the clarity of their message, as they campaign for an informed debate, as a result of a Royal Commission which shows on an honest and cross party basis the cost benefits of membership of The EU, and a clear set of data on which to devise a Safe, sound and well planned Exit & Survival Strategy (No doubt under Article 50 of the EU constitution).

Then and only then can the peoples of these United Kingdoms vote in a straightforward IN / OUT manner.

To study the Tory Fresh Start one Starts Afresh to reaise it is a ‘device’ with two aims:
01.
To ensure that at an apposite moment Campbell and his team can announce they WILL hold a referendum on IN / OUT AFTER the General Election thus leaving UKIP (unsurprisingly) with no role, as ever, in domestic politics.
02. The other side of their coin is to work, through George EUstace and other sham EUroPlastics to provide one of the most corrupt and rigged votes in British history, on a par with the utterly dishonest Welsh Devolution vote which Labour LOST had they not undeniably rigged it!

The aim is an IN / OUT vote, BUT with huge funding from The EU, massive intervention from areas of big business who are so well protected by the EU red tape from any emergent business or level playing field for competition (ensuring that ALL the gravy on the gravy train is divied up amongst the usual suspects).

The IN vote will hold a codicil along the lines of:
‘Knowing that The Government will work hard to negotiate the very best deal they can with such powers as they can have repatriated do you wish to styay in the single market protected in the global economy when the New EU Constitution is agreed in 2016’

The codicil to the OUT vote will be along the lines of:
‘Do you wish to be OUT of the EU and denied the opportunity to influence the decision making of the largest market group in the world, and the protection it offers – exposed to the risks of being alone in a global market in a dangerous world?’

Yes that is the level of dishonesty to which the LibLabEUkipCon and their EU chums will sink to, you have seen the first round in cartoon form from Nuttall & Toby Young aided by The State broadcasters in the video above!

Do not forget Nigel Farage is a leader of The Pan EU EFD Group in the EU, a group that welcomes and advocates EU membership, merely seeking reform of certain details!

Nuttall and his chums come across as little more than crass, dishonest, self serving petty crooks and only Nikki Sinclaire has EVER spoken out as an elected UKIP MEP, against their corruption and acted on her principles and just look at the vile way they chose to attack and vilify her, even stooping to lies and attempted setups.

Good luck with the campaign Demanding A Royal Commission, and a fair and equitable debate, thereafter to decide a simple IN / OUT Referendum with equal funding, no hidden codicils, equal media coverage and absolutely no involvement of non UK citizens or their EU money.

Such a pity none of Jimmy Goldsmith’s family or children were big enough to wear his shoes. However let us not forget Jimmy Goldsmith was supping with the Devil as an MEP, and believed in EU membership!

Unlike Churchill who clearly stated that ‘ If the choice was between membership of EUrope and the open sea Britain was best served by taking to the open sea’!

I shall continue to campaign to leave the EU and will continue to do all I can to inform of the corruption of rascals like UKIP leadership clique and its claque.

Just as I will happily expose ANYONE who seeks to abuse the We Demand A Referendum Campaign for their own personal gain. Similarly I will seek to do my best to defend the principles and values I have held all my life and will support these who act honourably in the interest of OUR Country and its peoples of whatever creed, superstition or colour as held within the law.

I trust that honest men and women who actually support these United Kingdoms will do all they can to campaign for a Royal Commission, ensuring a clear answer to the cost benefit issue of EU membership and the drawing up of a simple plausible ‘Exit & Survival Strategy’ to then ensure a free, fair and informed equitable referendum of a simple IN /OUT.

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UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/09/2012

UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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UKIP Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage etc.

This article  I believe to be true though much of the opinion posted by Martin Cole I KNOW to be wildly speculative, at best, and often completely wrong!

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since speculation or should I say guesses and rumours are being posted as if factual on Anthony Butcher’s UKIP controlled blog, regarding the incident where Nigel Farage was found guilty of copyright infringement which seemed at the time to be largely driven by the odious and corrupt sewer rat Nigel employed, to try to build ‘Black Files’ on his staff, colleagues and opponents, Mark Croucher.
I note that Barbara Booker has drawn attention to the ‘facts’ as present6ed by Martin Cole, which were as follows:
Thursday, May 01, 2003Video Tape Copyright Infringement by Nigel Farage
On 4 September 2000 local trading standards officers raided UKIP’s South East branch offices in Redhill, seizing four illegal video copies of a BBC TV documentary “The Enemy Within” about Nigel Farage, UKIP MEP for the South East Region, which were in breach of copyright. Britain in Europe AccountMosaic Productions reprint of an article by Peter Shore in the Daily Telegraph
1st June 2000, sets the background as to why Nigel Farage might have felt dismayed at the non-appearance of the BBC episode of ‘Desperately Seeking Eutopia’ with his contribution. Peter Shore Article

Mosaic Films followed this report a few days later with another, this time concluded as follows:-

Article by Christopher Booker
The Sunday Telegraph, June 4 2000

All content © Mosaic Films

An early indication that Mosaic Films took their copyright property rights very seriously!

Christopher Booker Article

On the 16th August 2000 the following item appeared in the London Evening Standard:-

“Some bad news for Nigel Farage, Euro MP for the UK Independence Party, who is the subject of a forthcoming BBC documentary due for broadcasting next month on the sparsely viewed BBC Knowledge channel.
The Beeb is furious to discover a video of the programme given to Farage by the makers is being copied and sold through the Party’s “Sovereignty” newsletter, with UKIP doing a roaring trade at five pounds a piece. The programme which includes footage of Farage’s assistant Dr Richard North describing our Spanish neighbours as: “Rag-arsed dagos,” is described by UKIP as: “A perfect tool for converting the sceptical, and perfect for showing at branch meetings.”
Not for long. The Beeb is already flexing its legal muscles. “This is a breach of copyright which won’t be tolerated,” a spokesman tells me.”

Jeffrey Titford had written a long letter of many complaints to the BBC on the 7th August 2000, ie a few days before this item appeared in the Standard, among which was the question as to why invitations to Farage to appear on Question Time had been withdrawn. The breach of copyright could, perhaps have been a contributory factor!

Jeffrey Titford’s Complaint to the BBC

What was the background to Farage’s actions, did he innocently flirt with a breach of copyright, or did he recklessly risk all to have his programme reach a wider organisation? Here the internet search engines reveal little, so we have been forced to make inquiries elsewhere.

Curiously at a UKIP NEC meeting on the 24th May 2000, a motion was put forward by Nigel Farage that any NEC member who fell foul of the law should have their legal expenses paid by the party. One present recalls that failing to gather majority support the proposer then lost his temper and stormed from the meeting.

Shortly after this the then Party Secretary learned that Nigel Farage planned to copy and sell a video tape and following enquiries learned the intent was to sell the box including the free tape inside, presumably a poor attempt to circumvent the law.

On 31st July 2000, Adam Alexander of Mosaic Films had faxed Nigel Farage confirming his company had worldwide rights to Eutopia – The Enemy Within.

On 9th August 2000 this same gentleman, Joint Managing Director of Mosaic, faxed Farage again advising:-

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It has been brought to my attention that the UKIP, through a reference in Sovereignty magazine, is offering for sale copies of the film we made about you for the BBC series ‘Eutopia -The Enemy Within‘.

At no time has Mosaic given you the right to sell this programme. With reference to my fax to you of 31st July 2000, Mosaic holds the distribution rights and any exploitation of the material through video sales can only be through and with the express agreement of Mosaic Films.

Any attempts by you to make copies of and or sell the programme will be a breach of copyright, and to this end I must insist you refrain from making any sales until such time as a sales agreement has been made between us. Please advise me of any sales you may have already made.

I can confirm that under the terms of the agreement Mosaic has with the BBC the video cannot be sold until after the first transmission by the BBC, which is scheduled for sometime soon after 15th September 2000.
Unquote

This fax was copied to two people within the BBC and another Mosaic employee.

It could hardly have been clearer.

A letter of apology was sent to Mosaic Films signed on behalf of Nigel Farage by Stan Oram and believed to have been sent on 15th August 2000.

On 24th August, following an advert for the video appearing in the Independence (UKIP‘s Members Newsletter), the party secretary wrote to all NEC members advising the activity was illegal and that he would not work to defend the action which was bringing the Party into disrepute and that additionally he would oppose the use of party funds being used to meet costs that might be incurred.

Extraordinarily on 24th August the party leader Jeffrey Titford wrote to the party secretary regarding his warning stating: “ The facts are that Nigel has permission to reproduce the video, this was given by Mosaic who made the programme. I have seen this letter.”

On the same day Farage sent an angry riposte to all NEC members which he had the foresight to banner headline “NOT FOR CIRCULATION” for it is difficult to reconcile its contents with the facts as they now appear.

On 25th August, Adam Alexander of Mosaic Films was again faxing Farage, this time with a clear warning that the Surrey Trading Standards Office were on the case and demanding that the pirated videos be sent to Gloucestershire to arrive by 30th August 2000.

On 30th August the other joint managing director of Mosaic films wrote to the UKIP Party Secretary with details of the correspondence between Farage and his colleague and insisted that no pirated copies be sold.

On 4th September 2000 the party received a letter from the Surrey County Council Trading Standards office confirming that on 24th August they had purchased a pirated video and that on 1st September they had visited the Redhill Southeast branch office and seized further copies and related documentation.

On 4th September 2000 a statement was put out by the party leader Jeffrey Titford, which in light of the now revealed facts, seems so extraordinary that it can only be quoted in full:-

UKIP & The Video ‘The Enemy Within’- A statement by Jeffrey Titford MEP, Leader, UK Independence Party

The BBC has spent a great deal of licence payers’ money producing a film series about the European Union. For reasons about which we can only speculate, the BBC has shown no inclination to screen on its terrestrial channels an episode that featured the UK Independence Party, despite the fact that UKIP MEPs went to great lengths to co-operate in the film’s production.

As a result, Nigel Farage MEP took a personal initiative to obtain copies of the film with a view to selling it to UKIP members in order to raise badly needed funds for the South East region. It subsequently transpired that distribution of the film to Party members would not be possible until it has been screened on a BBC subscription channel.

More recently, a Trading Standards Officer resorted to what amounted to deception in order to obtain a copy of the video and so prove that a technical offence has been committed. As a result, the videos have been returned to their source, where they will remain pending clarification.
Nigel accepts that he acted somewhat precipitously – though with the best intention of making the film available to a wider audience. I am also satisfied that no personal gain was either intended or realised. Any further enquiries or approaches on the matter, from whatever party involved, will be referred to the UKIP South East regional office.

This unfortunate matter would never have come about if the BBC properly fulfilled its Charter obligations in regard to balanced reporting. Also, I wholly deprecate the duplicitous tactics of Trading Standards at a time when their officers are terrorising small traders with an unlawful interpretation of Weights and Measures legislation, and turning a blind eye to the sale of thousands of illegal car number plates emblazoned with the infamous EU ring of stars.

Signed Jeffrey Titford London 4 September 2000

On 8th September 2000 Mosaic Films confirmed to the UKIP Party Secretary that at no time had they given Nigel Farage either verbal or written permission to sell the tapes. That same day the Party Secretary tendered his resignation, hardly surprising in view of the events detailed above, but even less so when put against the fact that throughout this period he had also been fending off a possible prosecution by the Metropolitan Police in connection with the removal of the UKIP database, in which strangely enough Nigel Farage’s name had also been involved.

We are conscious that this parade of facts on an internet site could rob those involved of the right to reply. WE WILL POST ANY REPLIES OR REFUTATIONS ANYONE MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE POST MIGHT CARE TO MAKE. Such should be sent to ukipuncovered@hotmail.com The e-mail link that was available on this site will be restored for such purposes as soon as possible. Other comments or advice are similarly always welcomed.

posted by Martin |12:33 AM

To view Martin Cole’s original posting, in context CLICK HEREIt is unfortunate that Martin Cole undermined his own credibility by publishing some most amusing fantasies and guessed at speculation about me that were such patently obviously speculative rubbish that it brought into question much else that he ‘claimed’ to be fact.Sadly Martin Cole seemed unable to differentiate between fact and fiction and failed to show what he could substantiate and that which he was inventing or that which was pure fantasy which he republished for others as with much of the vituperative drivel published, at the time, by Christina Speight who seemed to see herself as the Queen of the EUroSceptic movement for a brief period.I hope this background to the UKIP / Farage copyright saga is of help.I was given a copy of the video at the time and watched it – It was quite good and along the usual lines of show off showman for which Farage has become quite well known as an entertainer. Even in 1999 it was showing UKIP’s lack of gravitas and its knock about style of insults and humour, which passes for political ability in UKIP, which seems almost totally dependent on stunts, insults, bullying and abuse for its much vaunted but never visible (in UK Ballot Boxes!) great progress.

UKIP under its present unprofessional band wagon jumping and a dependency on ‘churning’ of members to attract new more naiive and less well informed members to the cult to replace those who have seen through the sham are what seems to keep them going at a cost to the tax payer running to 10s of £Millions over the years.

UKIP’s latest band wagon is IN / OUT referendum where from their pamphlet on the issue they make it abundantly clear they plan to loose and have failed to grasp the first principles of such a referendum. No doubt they will use this as a mechanism to ‘churn’ more members and to pocket the cash generated as they seemingly did with the £1/4 Million plus of public money that was spiritted away and never accounted by Nigel Farage, David Lott & Mark Croucher in the only petition of note they have claimed to run to date.

The petition never materialised but the money did vanish in much the same way as the Ashford campaign where less than 15% of the money raised ever reached UKIP, we were told by its own chairman. An apparent fraud that was seemingly covered up by Douglas Denny, John Moran, Andrew Smith, Nigel Farage and other scoundrels and nere do wells at the time.

We are also reminded by Barbara Booker that:

‘EUtopia’ was a series of twenty documentaries, eight of which went out on BBC2 during Summer 2000, with the remaining twelve switched to BBC Digital. I had forgotten that ‘The Enemy Within’, the programme featuring Nigel Farage, was broadcast on 7 September 2000 on BBC Knowledge.

I’m not sure everyone would agree that it was favourable to UKIP. It included Richard North calling the Spanish, “rag-arsed dagos”, and Nigel Farage swearing.

And that Jeffrey Titford lied when he made the statement:
The facts are that Nigel has permission to reproduce the video, this was given by Mosaic who made the programme. I have seen this letter”.He couldn’t have. The true facts were that Mosaic had expressly forbidden Farage to copy and or sell the programme, and insisted he refrain from doing so.

It is quite clear that on a consistent basis UKIP’s leadership and their clique and also their self serving claque, including those too ashamed to put their names to their dishonesties and defamatory claims are consitent strangers to the truth – all too willing to lie, cheat and steal as their track record shows.There can really be no argument that we are fortunate that UKIP, as it is, and has been, has never had any relevance in British domestic politics as power would clearly be abused and befouled by those in control of UKIP.

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/09/2012

Harrogate agenda – Update – The DEMANDS

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Harrogate agenda – Update 25-Sep-2012

The DEMANDS!

For the full details, background and regular updates see the >PAGE< as listed above, below the Blog Header, or CLICK HERE!

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I believe that The Harrogate Agenda is a very positive way forward though I do appreciate that it may take a long time to educate the self serving politicians to the FACT that they do actually work for us and as our servants are answerable to us.

Surely they must realise that if they continue to bombastically hold the electorate in contempt as ‘The Plebs’ they are likely to go the same way as so many self important stuffed shirts in the past – The true mark of a Partrician is to ensure those they employ and work for do not feel distanced and demeaned.

Failure to understand the role of leadership and the need to act FOR those one leads, particularly when appointed by them is, as history has shown us, all too often a fatal mistake.

That our public servants, both elected as politicians and appointed as civil servants should consider the outcome of ignoring the electorate and holding them in contempt – the precedents are clear from Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu, to Caesar, Sadam Hussein to Charles I, or Russia’s Czars to Hosni Mubarak, the outcome is all too predictable!

Clearly as soumnd move forward is to campaign as a movement even accepting the tennets of electoral law that insist in your being called a ‘Party’ and capitalise on the crumbs offered by the state, as with free distribution of electoral leaflets, free publicity by airtime with an electoral broadcast etc. etc. and then to vigerously campaign on a cross party basis for:

1. a Royal Commission to establish the cost benefits of In AND Out of The EU.
2. to utilise The Royal Commission details to formulate a sound ‘Exit and Survival Strategy’ to maximise on the benefits of leaving The EU and minimise the dangers and costs.
3. To ensure that to avoid the damage that would be caused by senseless and ignorant confrontation be certain to avoid confrontation by abiding by The Treaty of Vienna and ensuring the EU Constitution is set aside constitutionally by implementing of Article 50 etc.
4. to hold a Referendum on the simple issue of IN or OUT of the EU as members and ensure that the referendum if fair, free, and independent of outside (EU) influence or funding, is held on an informed basis with equal media time and weighting.

These measures do not conflict with The Harrogate Agenda, which becomes ever more important, to ensure that when the people vote, if they vote to Leave-The-EU, as polls indicate they would, the political system is sufficiently altered and robust as to ensure the new incumbents, of government as our servants, do not make all the same errors of judgement and self serving efforts to enrich and empower themselves, yet again!

Harrogate Agenda: definitive text

 Tuesday 25 September 2012

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At the planning meeting at the Old Cock Inn, the group decided on the wording of the six demands which should go forward to our autumn meeting for approval. This text is now available and is as follows:

1. the people are sovereign: the sovereignty of the peoples of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland shall be recognised by the Crown and the government of our nations. The people in their collective form, by giving their consent, comprise the ultimate authority of their nations and the source of all political power;

2. local democracy: the foundation of our democracy shall be the counties (or other local units as may be defined), which shall become constitutional bodies exercising under the control of their peoples all powers of legislation, taxation and administration not specifically granted by the people to the national government;

3.elected prime ministers: to enable separation of power, prime ministers shall be elected by popular vote; they shall appoint their own ministers, with the approval of parliament, to assist in the exercise of such powers as may be granted to them by the sovereign people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland; no prime ministers or their ministers shall be members of parliament or any legislative assembly;

4. all legislation subject to consent: no legislation or treaty shall take effect without the direct consent of the majority of the people, by positive vote if so demanded, and that no legislation or treaty shall continue to have effect when that consent is withdrawn by the majority of the people;

5. no taxes or spending without consent: no tax, charge or levy shall be imposed, nor any public spending authorised, nor any sum borrowed by any national or local government except with the express permission of the majority of the people, renewed annually on presentation of a properly authenticated budget which shall first have been approved by their respective legislatures;

6. a constitutional convention: Parliament, once members of the executive are excluded, convenes a constitutional convention to draw up a definitive codified constitution for the people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, which shall recognise their sovereign status and their inherent, inalienable rights and which shall be subject to their approval.

Readers will see, by comparison with the earlier draft, that the differences are very slight, but important. 

If the autumn meeting approves this text, we will then be able to chart a way forward, to gain wider recognition for our Agenda.  Just to have framed and agreed our six demands by then, however, will have been a significant achievement, of which those who participated in the process can feel justly proud. 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 25/09/2012

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Daily politics feature ‘We Demand A Referendum’

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 24/09/2012

Daily politics feature ‘We Demand A Referendum’

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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

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The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

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Daily politics feature Katie Hopkins from ‘We Demand A Referendum’, with Paul Nuttall trying to point score & failing!

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We Demand a Referendum on the Daily Politics show

Katie Hopkins appeared on the BBC Daily Politics show on Thursday (September 20th 2012) as a representative from We Demand a Referendum.

For more information on this new exciting political movement please go to www.LetThePeopleDecide.eu

We Demand a Referendum’s inaugural conference will be held on the 5th October 2012 at Westminster Hall.

The conference is a free event, book your place today by calling the team on 0800 157 7916

To view the conference flyer please click here

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Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.

They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then  still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01594 – 528 337

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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.

Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!

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North & The Spectator on a ‘Floundering Farage’ & UKIP

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Hi,
it is interesting to note just howmany people in their condemnation of a referendumand its risks so consistently fail to show that there is a methodology to improve the fairness of such referendum.A Referendum will be lost if taken in narrow isolation – I have little doubt of that.

We must always ensure that any referendum is held AFTER a Royal Commission is held, which will be charged with not just a cost benefit study of our membership of The EU and of our leaving with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘.

I am sufficiently certain that a Royal Commission would act responsibly to inform the electorate in detail for a full, fair, evenly funded and evenly promoted referendum that I am happy to say that in its Exit & Survival Strategy it will surely promote the strategy of use of Article 50 as our strategy for exit.

The idiocy of permitting a referendum on government terms without a Royal Commission and with no sound Exit & Survival Strategy disregarding Article 50 would be crass, suicidal and irresponsible.

That we have a need for an Harrogate Agenda or similar is just as indesputable as to move on using the 19th. century style of governance into the 21st. Century will merely lead to the next foolish scam or social engineering as with the oh so arcane, undemocratic and Victorian style concepts of The EU.

Consider, in your study of the concepts and to add balance Richard North’s comments which follow, comments which I incline to support in the context of overlooking the details I have annotated so far:


 EU Referendum: foundering Farage

Saturday 22 September 2012

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“I think we’ve proved that we are a serious party that cares about a lot more than just Europe”, says Harold James, an active UKIP member from Weston-super-Mare, veteran of nine conferences.

Predictably, though, the Spectator is less than impressed, accusing a “Floundering Farage” of struggling a little once “away from his hobby horse of a European Union Referendum”. But, had the magazine been on the ball, it could have observed that Farage was struggling even when riding his hobby horse.

That is the only conclusion one can draw from his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet. His knowledge about the mechanics if the EU was always slight, but in this production he demonstrates that he has not added significantly to his knowledge in the ten years since I worked across a desk from him.

If this was simply a matter of a vainglorious party leader doing what politicians so often do – displaying his ignorance – it would not matter so much. But, as even the Spectator concedes, we are almost certainly looking at a referendum in the not too distant future.

Rigged though it may be – and we could hardly expect otherwise – I have to believe that this referendum is winnable, and that we can successfully deliver a “withdraw from the EU” message to our masters. With contributions such as Farage’s, though, we are set to lose.

To understand why, it is helpful to go back to the debate we were having on Article 50, where we argued that we need to take advantage of the negotiation process offered to draw up a relationship with the EU before finally cutting the knot.

Amongst those who disagreed with this stance was Nigel Farage, one of many who believe that we can unilaterally abrogate the treaties and then expect the “colleagues” to sit down and negotiate with us, without there being any penalty from such action.

Until now, quite how Farage managed to believe that this could be a penalty-free option has escaped me. But, if it is his settled belief that a free trade area can be set up with “a blank piece of paper“, then it is unsurprising that he sets such little store on negotiation – there is only a blank sheet of paper to agree. And that attitude is what is going to lose us the referendum.

The reason why this will happen is because Farage and his supporters are preparing, in an utterly cavalier fashion, to ditch the “single market”, that iconic property which legend has it was breathed into life by the Dragon Queen herself, Margaret Thatcher.

Yet, examine David Cameron’s rhetoric on the European Union and you will notice the emphasis is almost entirely on preserving this mythical beast. To threaten it with extinction is to invite unrestrained enmity from the entire Tory tribe and give hostage to fortune to the other side.

And that is only part of it. The “single market” effectively comprises a huge body of EU law – directives, regulations and decisions – alongside thousands of meticulously crafted standards, which together binds the corporate world and protects it from the cold winds of competition, mainly from small and medium businesses.

Anyone who believes that big business doesn’t like regulation simply knows nothing about big business. As noted in our forum, “complex regulatory structures are a significant barrier to entry, and dominant firms that can afford large compliance departments often lobby for such regulation which prevents the entry of upstart firms”.

And, in their enthusiasm for more and more law, the corporates are the natural partners to the EU. If their precious body of law is threatened by a “no” vote in a referendum, they will pour massive funding into any “yes” campaign.

The best we can possibly hope for from the corporates is their neutrality, which could only be secured – of at all – by assurances that their “single market” is kept intact.

On the other hand, the genius of the EU is the way it has hijacked trade regulation and harnessed it in the service of political integration. In promoting our exit from the EU, therefore, we have to detach the corpus of standards and trade agreements from the community acquis and give it an independent identity.

This, to my mind, is one of the greatest challenges confronting the “outers” in any referendum campaign. It is also one I believe we can deal with by negotiating continued EEA membership – thus keeping the single market intact for at the very least a transitional period, while we sort out better, long-term arrangements.

Whatever might actually be decided though, we cannot afford to ignore the single market, or the rent-seekers who gain so much benefit from it. Allowing a “floundering Farage” to set the pace here would then be to invite a foundering campaign. Protect the single market, or we lose.

COMMENT: “FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT” THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU Referendum: fighting the good fight

Saturday 22 September 2012

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There is a joke amongst economists, Nigel Farage tells us in his “Referendum Stitch-Up” pamphlet, that a real free trade agreement can be illustrated by holding up a blank piece of paper.

That, he avers, is because if trade is genuinely free, there are no regulations to follow or tariffs to pay but business people and traders can get on without hindrance or interference in doing business and creating wealth.

Thus, in principle, we are told, “to create a single market or free trade area is incredibly easy if you know what you are doing and think it through. It merely requires an absence of restriction, most easily achieved by the progressive – or instant – dismantling and removal of all existing barriers and tariffs”.

Unfortunately, a regulation-free market is neither desirable nor acceptable, and if this presented as UKIP’s objective for Britain once we leave the EU, it will simply invite the hostility (and derision) of those who understand why much of the regulation at present in force must remain.

One can, or course, make a case of the removal of tariffs and also non-tariff barriers, but it is important to realise how important well-crafted regulation is to international trade.

This can be well illustrated addressing the problems of a banana importer, based in London, buying from growers everywhere in the world to supply wholesale and retail customers throughout Europe.

In the nature of things, the quality of the product will vary and with it price. It has thus long been the sensible habit of shippers to use grading schemes – a common language between buyer and seller – so that the nature of any transaction is fully understood.

This does make sense. Our putative buyer, who might decide to purchase a load from Jamaica, may wish to order Grade A bananas, sight unseen. And, as long as an agreed grading scheme is applied, he will know exactly what to expect for his money.

There could be problems, though, if he wished to buy Grade A bananas from Costa Rica and that country operated a different grading scheme. National authorities in some countries could even give their exporters a price advantage by setting more relaxed standards, while still allowing produce to be called Grade A, to the detriment of buyer and consumer.

More complications arise if different consumer countries dictate their own specific standards, thus leaving our putative importer being able to buy produce from one country which he can then sell in some countries but not others. Thus, each country having different standards – whether producer or consumer – is a recipe for chaos.

On that basis, it makes absolute sense to have international standards.for commodities which are traded internationally. And for them to work, they must be common standards that are known and recognised by buyers and sellers alike.

Such standards are not in any way a restraint on trade – quite the reverse. When properly and sensitively crafted, they facilitate trade and are seen, overall, as beneficial. As such, they are a necessary precursor to free trade. Clearly, that applies here with South African bananas.

This being the case, it is unsurprising that many commodity standards pre-date EU regulations. In fact, much of the current EU legislation for agricultural produce is based on a British model developed long before we joined the EEC. Even in the land of the free, the United States, agricultural produce for inter-state commerce was being regulated as early as 1880.

Nor is it a surprise that much regulation is actively sought after by the trade itself. Take meat safety, for instance. Few people realise that official inspection did not become compulsory in this country until 1963 yet, for decades before that, producers had voluntarily paid for inspection as a measure to improve consumer confidence in their products.

And when, in 1964, the Six in the then EEC imposed mandatory inspection of imported meat, to be carried out at the point of slaughter, the system was based on a regime developed by the British. It had been imposed in response to the Aberdeen typhoid outbreak, which had been linked to Argentinean corned beef, again to promote confidence in international trade.

The important thing, therefore, is not the absence of regulation, but the right sort of regulation – sufficient for the purpose and not too onerous – applied only where it is needed. Where the EU most often went wrong was (and is) in applying export standards to internal trade or – where grading regulations was applied – prohibiting trade in ungraded produce. 

 
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To an extent, this is being addressed, with the EU progressively relaxing standards (allowing misshapen fruit and vegetables), so some of the the issues that Farage raise in his pamphlet have less force anyway.

That aside, regulation does not only apply to goods, but also services such as air travel. Here for instance, if we look at requirements for commercial aviation, we see minimum regulations applied to the equipment required by airliners to enable them to land in reduced visibility conditions.

Knowing Farage’s intimate acquaintance with aviation safety, one suspects he would not want to see such regulations removed or weakened. Would he really be happy with a blank piece of paper when it came to his flying to Strasbourg to pick up his expenses?

Thus, the real issue is that, even if reduced, a huge tranche of trade regulation will remain. It cannot be wished away. We thus have to find a way of dealing with the continuing process of adding, modifying and adapting trade regulations while outside the EU yet still trading with its member states.

In this context, to pretend that we can live without trade regulation is not helpful to the cause. We need more sophisticated arguments to carry the doubters, coming up with real world solutions that demonstrate our understanding of the realities of modern international trade. Farage’s fluff simply isn’t good enough.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 22/09/2012


 EU referendum: delaying the inevitable

Friday 21 September 2012

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Farage put his finger on the Cameron dilemma this morning, pointing to the Conservative leader’s credibility gap when it comes to promising a referendum.

Talking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, he said that he would only consider making a deal if it was “written in blood” that there would be a[n in-out] referendum on Britiain’s EU membership.

What was not raised though – not here or in an earlier programme – is how different the political landscape will look in 2014 when the euro-elections are due to be held. Thus, although Farage consistently claims rising support for his party, he and his followers may be disappointed when it comes to the elections.

Not least, the much lauded poll ratings consistently fail to materialise as votes in real elections.

For instance, in one recent council by-election, Canterbury City – Blean Fores, the Conservatives took 342, Labour 185, Lib-Dem 121, Green 64, UKIP 38 and Independent 24. Cornwall County – St Keverne and Meneage, had the Tories on 585, Lib-Dems 279, UKIP 141 and Labour increasing to 52 (from 33 in June 2009). Scarborough Borough – Esk Valley gave the Tories 606 votes, Independent 151 (down from 417 in May 2011), Labour 87 and UKIP 35.

So consistent is this experience that one can discount the UKIP election hyperbole. And, to make matters worse, there is recently another factor in play. As the Independent reports, in all the recent by-elections, both Labour and Conservatives scored “landslide gains” at the expense of independents.

We may thus be seeing precisely that which we have seen in Germany and in the recent Dutch elections – the classic small-party squeeze, which is so often apparent when times are uncertain. And where the UK election is shaping up for a battle between two unpopular personalities, perversely, that tendency might be accentuated.

In recent years, however, the euro-elections have obeyed their own rules, and Farage might confidently expect a good showing for UKIP in 2014. But again there is another factor at play: Barroso has committed to publishing proposals for a new treaty before the euro-elections. With the commission president determined to make this an EU election issue, electioneering could be sufficiently transformed to make it mainstream – to the detriment of UKIP.

With Cameron planning a major speech on European policy next month, he may well take the opportunity then to commit to a referendum, contingent or renegotiations arising out of the treaty process, essentially marginalising UKIP and its pretender, the “We demand a referendum” party.

Here, the Conservatives are in a much stronger position, as polls on EU sentiment tend to show that the renegotiation option (however unrealistic) is popular with the voters, and Cameron can rely on the “referendum lock” to demonstrate his good faith. He does not need to make a promise “written in blood”, he may say, when it is written into an Act of Parliament.

This does not stop speculation elsewhere about electoral pacts with UKIP, from the usual ill-informed suspects, who currently don’t seem to understand that the chances of a referendum before 2016 are slight. In all probability, we are looking at 2017 or beyond.

Those, like Nikki Sinclair’s little party – which has dreams of a referendum in 2014 – clearly fail to realise that Cameron can use for an alibi, active engagement in EU negotiations. No sensible person could expect a referendum while negotiations are still in progress.

To that extent, also, the Tory europlastics are beginning to outflank the “outers”. Knowing that renegotiation is more popular with the public than the straight “out” option, they have concentrated their firepower where success is most likely. That could well leave Farage and his supporters stranded, being faced with fighting a referendum in the distant future for which they are singularly ill-prepared.

The “outer” fraternity thus looks doomed to get what it wished for. And unless Farage stops whingeing about how the contest might be rigged, and starts working out how to win the referendum we’re going to get, rather than the one UKIP wants, the wish granted could prove his nemesis.

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012


 Politics: another one doesn’t get it

Friday 21 September 2012

Lamenting the decline of political parties, a Failygraph hack still believes there is a remedy. “The answer is fairly simple”, he writes, “To recover, political leaders need to come up with radical and original ideas that enough people think are worth supporting”. The man simply doesn’t get it. If they could have done so, they would already have done so. They cannot, because it is not in their nature. But, if you want radical and original ideas, they are there, in the Harrogate Agenda. And that rather illustrates why political parties must continue declining – together with their cheerleaders in the media.

However, not all is lost. The man at least understands that we are now the mainstream. “No matter who wins the next election, it is likely that abstainers will outnumber those voting for the winning party”, he writes. But that has been the case for a long time. Why is it taking them so long to realise? 

COMMENT THREAD

Richard North 21/09/2012



 EU referendum: strategy is the problem

Thursday 20 September 2012

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In a well-judged intervention, Cranmer tells us that the Eurosceptic “movement” (if it be) is fundamentally a clash of gargantuan egos, none of whom will deign to co-operate or collaborate with their co-eurosceptics, principally out of a lack of trust, belief or respect.

So, His Grace tells us, with a referendum on the next EU treaty looming – and, as sure as night follows day, it is coming – please don’t expect political coherence or campaigning strategy from the Conservatives, UKIP, the Democracy Movement, the Campaign for United Kingdom Conservatism, Better off Out, Campaign for an Independent Britain, the Freedom Association, or the Liberty League.

Frankly, he says, you have more hope of persuading a Wahhabi Sunni to sup with an Ahmadiyyan and plant the cornerstone of a new mosque. If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand: the referendum may already be lost.

Hesitant as one is to disagree with His Grace, one has to say that he is wrong. This is not a matter of egos, gargantuan or otherwise, but of strategy. Egos we could cope with. The more profound differences over strategy are far more problematical.

Courtesy of Witterings from Witney, we see demonstrated precisely the point in the recent adjournment debate led by Tory MP Andrea Leadsom.

This is a woman who is determined that we should “renegotiate our EU membership – to remain within the EU but to have our absolutely best attempt at renegotiating a relationship that works for Britain, with full and free access to all EU assets, but without being hampered in a global world by EU regulation”. What she wants, she tells us, is “fundamental reform”.

No red-blooded eurosceptic could begin to agree with such a europlastic view, but within the debate there was also David Nuttall, Tory MP for Bury North. As chairman of the Lords and Commons “Better Off Out” group, he wants us to repatriate all powers from the EU.

We would have no difficulty in accepting this desirable objective, except that Nuttall does not think we are likely to be given the choice of an in-out referendum. He thinks we are more likely to get an in/in referendum: the choice of the status quo – staying in as we are now or staying in with 17/20, 18/20 or 19/20 of the status quo and repatriating a few powers.

The trouble is, as Leadsom points out, while a July 2012 YouGov survey had 48 percent wanting to pull out and 31 percent wanting to stay in the EU, if a new deal was renegotiated, the poll suggests that people would vote in a completely different way. Most – 42-34 percent – would vote to stay in the EU.

This is the eurosceptic nightmare: a referendum offering not the in-out option but the “reform-out” option. This would be very hard to win. Strategy becomes absolutely vital.

Then, as WfW reminds us, there is the Lilley point: during a referendum campaign, on average there is a 17 percent swing back in favour of the status quo. This means it is necessary to start with a 34 percent lead for change to have a 50 percent chance of winning. Starting with roughly half of people being in favour of leaving and a third in favour of staying would result in a vote to remain in the EU.

Problematically, though, our people are not thinking strategically. Under these circumstances, the Minford idea of unilateral withdrawal, followed by negotiation, would be a disaster. The uncertainties would drive voters into the EU camp.

Yet, despite the potential for disaster, this is the preferred UKIP option, and the guardians of the message are quick to stamp on dissident thought. There is no debate in this “outer” fraternity. You either conform with the approved message or you are consigned to outer darkness as a “traitor”. 

 
Nor is there any recognition of the “Stokes precept”, from Richard Stokes, the Labour MP for Ipswich, who on 15 October 1940 told the House of Commons in a debate on war aims that it “… is no use fighting for a negative object. You must have a positive one, and the sooner that [is] stated the better”. To gain a broader acceptance from the majority of the population that we should leave the EU, we must be able to offer a positive object. Simply to fight on the negative one of leaving the EU is not enough. And just to argue for a referendum, without the first idea of how you would win it, is suicide.

Those who refuse to accept this, who robustly argue simply for unilateral withdrawal and expect the nation to rally to that cause, are part of the problem – as much as those like Leadsom, who are arguing for “fundamental reform”. Egos really don’t matter. It cannot be emphasised enough that what counts is strategy.

Sadly, while the old saw, “divided we fall” may be true, uniting behind the wrong strategy could be just as fatal. We thus face the prospect of “united we fall, divided we fall”. Even so, there is time yet to mend our ways. We should take the opportunity while we can, if we can.

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