Robin Tilbrook Further Demeans HIS EDP Cult
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable!
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership,
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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Robin Tilbrook, Founder of the English Nationalist Party in the 1960s, Further Demeans HIS later incarnation the divisive & etreme EDP Cult!!
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Hi,
interestingly (well sort of) Robin Tilbrook
has been bleating on his blog at having his extremist and divisive followers in the EDP branded as extremists!:
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One of the “interesting” issues that arose over the on/off affair of Mike Nattrass was that the UKIP defector, Nikki Sinclaire MEP, issued a press release and blog item attacking the English Democrats in wild and hysterically vitriolic terms. Edited highlights of this rant include the bizarre claims that the English Democrats are “extremist” and “now contain and tolerate some of the most undesirable and disgusting people in our society” and “who seem on intent on enlarging themselves primarily first and foremost regardless of normal and social acceptability”!
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My comment, which may or may not be published on his blog, where comment is invited, is as follows:
Hi,
the EDP draws on its roots of revivifying Robin Tilbrook’s The English National Party of the 1960s.
Face the facts – many consider it extremist to actively campaign & support these United Kingdoms being broken up, be that by Nazi Germany in 1939 or the foolish self serving political antics of Palid, Mabion Kernow, EDP or SNP.
That the EDP willingly compounds this by taking on high profile ex BNP members exacerbates their problem of being seen as extremists.
Robin Tilbrook unfortunately has a track record of damaging his own fan club with rants and vitriolic attacks as we see in his own entry on Wiki:
‘However, Davies announced his resignation from the party on 5 February 2013 citing “a big influx of new members joining from the British National Party”.[10] One of its councillors, Mick Glynn, resigned the following day after the party’s chairman, Robin Tilbrook,[11] launched a personal attack on Peter Davies reducing its number of elected representatives to two.’
Yet again the mouse that roared has emerged with a vitriolic ad hominem rant when his doomed plans to embrace the shambolic and politically challenged Mike Nattrass to try to boost his chances for growth predictably failed.
How foolish to have broken confidence and published early negotiations with Sinclaire, showing his political ineptitude and untrustworthy nature – as with the broadcasting of the details of his negotiations with the foolish Mike Nattrass when he failed to capture his support.
Pray tell – in his political campaigning since the 1960s spanning 6 decades wjhat has Tilbrook achieved and what signs of leadership have presented – leadership is more than betrayal of trust and ill cobnsidered ad hominem attacks!
Perhaps if the EDP is to continue on its extremist and damaging path ity may be time to find a leader of some competence and substance!
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
here in passing is the private correspondence between Mike Nattrass & Robin Tilbrook’s EDP which they spread widely including to the media when Robin Tilbrook’s efforts to piggy back on Mike Nattrass’ position as an MEP came to nought.
To ensure I was not in breech of confidence, having received the material from an executive of the EDP, I obtain verbal confirmation from an executive of the EDP that I could publish the material they had circulated:
——– Original message ——–
From: Steven Uncles <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Date: 19/09/2013 16:54 (GMT+00:00)
To: P Nicholas Watson BBC <nicholas.watson@bbc.co.uk>
Subject: Fwd: re DRAFT from MIKE
Steve Uncles
Area Chairman – South East England
English Democrats
Not Left, Not Right; Just English!
Mobile: 07931 390029
Email: SteveUncles@EngDem.org
——– Original message ——–
From: Steven Uncles <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Date: 19/09/2013 16:24 (GMT+00:00)
To: daniel.wainwright@expressandstar.co.uk
Subject: Fwd: re DRAFT from MIKE
Earlier Draft
Steve Uncles
Area Chairman – South East England
English Democrats
Not Left, Not Right; Just English!
Mobile: 07931 390029
Email: SteveUncles@EngDem.org
——– Original message ——–
From: mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: 18/09/2013 19:25 (GMT+00:00)
To: Derek Hilling <derekhilling@gmail.com>,”RobinTilbrook@aol.com” <robintilbrook@aol.com>
Cc: davidlane@engdem.org,STEVEN UNCLES <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Subject: RE: re DRAFT from MIKE
SORRY I DID NOT SPOT UKIP BEING ADVERTISED IN THE HEADLINE …ignore the fraud riddled rascals.
Also small changes towards the end to let it flow.
Mike
EMBARGOED UNTIL 00:01 a.m. Friday, 20th September 2013
BREAKING NEWS – MEP, MIKE NATTRASS MOVES TO THE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS
West Midlands MEP Mike Nattrass has announced that he wishes to join the English Democratic Party, the only party that wants England to be independent of the EU.
Mike Nattrass will be standing as the English Democrats’ Lead Candidate for the EU Parliament election on the 22nd May 2014, with supporting positions taken by Derek Hilling, Party Secretary and David Lane, West Midlands Chairman.
The English Democrats are delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the party and as our first English Democrat MEP.
Mike joined the English Democrats because no other party stands firm and believes in the protection of English interests.
Robin Tilbrook, the English Democrats Party Chairman, said:- “I am delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the English Democrats and look forward to getting him re-elected again as an English Democrat MEP, on 22nd May 2014.
“Over the coming year Scottish Independence will be in focus as they face the Scottish Independence referendum. The English Democrats are England’s equivalent to that Party and our conference will debate further one of our key policy proposals, Independence for England.”
Robin continued:- “The EU Justice Commissioner has already confirmed that when England becomes independent it will not remain within the EU and would “have to re-join”!
As our policy is that “We will not wish to rejoin!” this will appeal to all those wishing to see England escape, out of the EU!”
Mike Nattrass MEP responded by saying “England is my home and The English Democrats are my Party. The policy of not applying to rejoin the EU is English music to my ears”
Robin Tilbrook
Chairman,
The English Democrats,
Quires Green, Willingale, Ongar, Essex, CM5 0QP
Tel: 01277 896000
Fax: 01277 896050
Mobile : 07778 553395
Blog: http://robintilbrook.blogspot.co.uk/
FaceBook Profile: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook
Party Tel: 0207 242 1066
Twitter: @RobinTilbrook
Party Website: www.englishdemocrats.org
English Democrats’ FB Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/www.EngDem.org
Chairman’s FB
Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/Robin.Tilbrook.English.Democrats
Key facts about the English Democrats
The English Democrats launched in 2002. The English Democrats are the English nationalist Party which campaigns for a Parliament for England, First Minister and Government, with at least the same powers as the Scottish ones within a Federal UK; for St George’s Day to be England’s National holiday; for Jerusalem to be England’s National Anthem; for a Referendum to leave the EU; for an end to mass immigration; for the Cross of St George to be flown on all public buildings in England.
The English Democrats are England’s answer to the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru. The English Democrats’ greatest electoral successes to date include winning the Directly Elected Executive Mayoralty of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council and the 2012 referendum; We won the referendum which triggered a referendum to give Salford City an Elected Mayor; In 2012 we saved all our deposits in the Police Commissioner elections and came second in South Yorkshire; In the 2009 EU election we gained 279,801 votes after a total EU campaign spend of less than £25,000 (giving the English Democrats by far the most cost efficient electoral result of any serious Party in the UK)
CC: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk; davidlane@engdem.org; stevenuncles@engdem.org
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:09:56 +0200
To: RobinTilbrook@aol.com
Robin, I think the first sentence is too long and not sufficiently ‘snappy’. We need to get their attention immediately. Other than that, it is good.
Regards,
Derek
Sent from my iPhone
On 18 Sep 2013, at 18:08, RobinTilbrook@aol.com wrote:
Dear Mike, David, Steve and Derek
Please see below the press release to read, amend or approve.
Regards
Robin
EMBARGOED UNTIL 00:01 a.m. Friday, 20th September 2013
BREAKING NEWS – UKIP MEP, MIKE NATTRASS MOVES TO THE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS
UKIP’s only remaining West Midlands MEP has announced that he is moving from UKIP, partly in disgust at Nigel Farage’s corruption of the UKIP’s selection processes and also because Mike Nattrass wants to be part of the only genuine English Nationalist Party that wants England to be independent of the EU. Mike Nattrass will be standing as the English Democrats’ Lead Candidate for the EU Parliament election on the 22nd May 2014, with supporting positions taken by Derek Hilling, our Party Secretary and David Lane, our West Midlands Chairman.
The English Democrats are delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the English Democrats and as our first English Democrat MEP. Mike’s move to join us is partly as a result of UKIP’s obsessive focus on the United Kingdom and the exclusion of any genuine interest in English interests.
Robin Tilbrook, the English Democrats Party Chairman, said:- “I am delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the English Democrats and look forward to working with him to get him re-elected this time as an English Democrats MEP, in May 2014. Over the coming year I am fully expecting the question of Scottish Independence to become of increasing interest as we build up to the Scottish Independence referendum. The English Democrats are England’s equivalent to the Scottish Nationalist Party and the only party that is a genuine English nationalist party. At our conference one of the key proposals is the adoption of a keynote policy of Independence for England.”
Robin continued:- “Interestingly if England becomes independent the EU Justice Commissioner has already confirmed that any newly independent nation will automatically be outside of the EU, claiming that they would “have to re-join”! Our policy of Independence for England will therefore appeal to all those who want England to leave the EU!”
Robin Tilbrook
Chairman,
The English Democrats,
Quires Green, Willingale, Ongar, Essex, CM5 0QP
Tel: 01277 896000
Fax: 01277 896050
Mobile : 07778 553395
Blog: http://robintilbrook.blogspot.co.uk/
FaceBook Profile: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook
Party Tel: 0207 242 1066
Twitter: @RobinTilbrook
Party Website: www.englishdemocrats.org
English Democrats’ FB Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/www.EngDem.org
Chairman’s FB
Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/Robin.Tilbrook.English.Democrats
Key facts about the English Democrats
The English Democrats launched in 2002. The English Democrats are the English nationalist Party which campaigns for a Parliament for England, First Minister and Government, with at least the same powers as the Scottish ones within a Federal UK; for St George’s Day to be England’s National holiday; for Jerusalem to be England’s National Anthem; for a Referendum to leave the EU; for an end to mass immigration; for the Cross of St George to be flown on all public buildings in England.
The English Democrats are England’s answer to the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru. The English Democrats’ greatest electoral successes to date include winning the Directly Elected Executive Mayoralty of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council and the 2012 referendum; We won the referendum which triggered a referendum to give Salford City an Elected Mayor; In 2012 we saved all our deposits in the Police Commissioner elections and came second in South Yorkshire; In the 2009 EU election we gained 279,801 votes after a total EU campaign spend of less than £25,000 (giving the English Democrats by far the most cost efficient electoral result of any serious Party in the UK)
In a message dated 18/09/2013 08:04:19 GMT Daylight Time, ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk writes:
Sorry Derek but I got the impression, from your email, that you needed to see me.
But you did say “after the Conference” and so be it.
No problem and we will meet again anyway on Friday pm.
Mike
CC: davidlane@engdem.org; robintilbrook@aol.com; stevenuncles@engdem.org
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:47:30 +0200
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Hello Mike,
I’m sorry but I won’t be flying back into Birmingham until Friday afternoon, I have work meetings in the morning.
Is there something urgent that needs to happen before the NC? I had not got this impression from previous communications. I would prefer to set aside time next week for a full discussion.
Regards,
Derek
Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Sep 2013, at 17:41, mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Derek,
No problem at all, but can we meet Friday morning?
Mike
CC: davidlane@engdem.org; robintilbrook@aol.com; stevenuncles@engdem.org
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:32:25 +0100
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Hello Mike,
I am currently in Birmingham airport waiting for a flight to Amsterdam. The trip is only for work I’m afraid, I don’t think I shall be partaking of any of the local delights!
I’m back on Friday so let’s have a chat before the meeting and arrange something convenient for us all, perhaps next week. It seems like we are all a bit pre-occupied this week.
Regards,
Derek
Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Sep 2013, at 14:48, mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks Derek,
If you need to talk before Friday we can meet Wednesday pm or Thursday pm or Friday morning.
I am only too happy for the three of us to work on a campaign.
it is just that I am fighting back at present and time has been my problem. I did an interview for ITV yesterday in Brussels but as yet I cannot mention the English Democrats.
IF we all agree, that bombshell will hit on Saturday.
When shall we meet?
Mike
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:54:07 +0100
CC: stevenuncles@engdem.org; davidlane@engdem.org; robintilbrook@engdem.org
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Mike,
I appreciate your reluctance with FaceBook and Twitter and I would not want you to undertake any campaigning activity that you are not comfortable with. That was not where I was coming from.
I simply want you, David and I to work out a ‘modus operandi’ but this does not necessarily have to be done on Friday evening. I hope you would agree that it will be better in the long term to know where we all stand.
See you Friday!
regards,
Derek
On 16 Sep 2013, at 10:08, mike nattrass wrote:
Derek,
CONFIDENTIAL
Good to hear from you and you can call or email anytime.
However I am not sure which aspect you are meaning, because you have not missed anything.
Any agreement, for example is still in draft and the last thing we need are many draft agreements flying about and being commented upon, when they are all incorrect and conflict with EU rules!
My first reply to that agreement was yesterday when I tried to point out that EU rules are paramount in budget planning etc.
Any agreement which supposes otherwise, and gets out, would make page one of The Guardian! The less emails the better.
We need a concluding meeting on Friday …evening? But only if you and I are happy and the members want me to join.
I have never thought that you had no plan, but the emails have not been about a plan and no plan has been discussed. I have not mentioned any plan and certainly not made a comment about a plan.
David has had an email from me about 4 ex BNP members and I await that reply. I need to know the facts to defend because I will be under attack. Already Nikki Sinclaire, UKIP and another have send me lists of so called undesirables taken in from the BNP. A myth that I need to strongly counter!!
I REFUSE POINT BLANK TO GO ONTO FACEBOOK OR TWITTER and I have to say that this is a prime condition of any further progress.
Facebook has lost UKIP two seats and caused major problems (I blame it for the heart attack and death of a UKIP Councillor). The two worst problems I have with your party are two facebook entries. One a Holocaust Denial from a member and another about Thalidomide victims. If you cannot see the damage look again. I am still waiting a rely from David (who I can see is a good chap)
I am in Brussels today and speaking at Probus, Droitwich tomorrow and the tread mill never stops.
You have not been out of any loop and nothing has yet been concluded without you.
Good luck.
Mike.
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:48:26 +0100
CC: derekhilling@engdem.org; DavidLane@EngDem.org; robintilbrook@engdem.org
To: StevenUncles@EngDem.org; ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Dear Mike,
If you would be so good as to include myself and David Lane in any future correspondence regarding arrangements with the English Democrats, I think this will foster a better working relationship. Ultimately it is David and myself that you will have to deal with on a day-to-day basis, not Steve.
As I have previously stated myself and David would like to meet with you, after our conference this weekend, to work-out an agreement for the coming months and years. We certainly do have a plan whatever you may have thought previously.
I look forward to a suggested date for such a meeting, or perhaps we can discuss this when we meet on Friday.
regards,
Derek Hilling
National Secretary &
East Midlands Area Chairman
English Democrats
Not Right Not Left For England!
On 15 Sep 2013, at 21:49, StevenUncles wrote:
Dear Mike
Thanks for this – we appear to be broadly in agreement, but no doubt Derek Hilling and David Lane will wish to add a few further details, especially relating to the 2014 Campaign and working together in the West Midlands.
Robin as you are aware is a Solicitor so the final version I suggest is produced by Robin Tilbrook, I hope this is OK ?
Derek Hilling (National Party Secretary) will confirm the arrangements for Friday Evening at the Leicester Hilton.
Kind regards
Steve Uncles
2014 EU Elections Prospective Candidate
South East England
English Democrats
Head Office: 0207 242 1066
Direct: 01322 225995
Mobile: 07931 390029
From: mike nattrass [mailto:ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 15 September 2013 20:50
To: Steven Uncles
Cc: robintilbrook@aol.com
Subject: RE: Mike N
Another version that was circulated was:
——– Original message ——–
From: Steven Uncles <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Date: 19/09/2013 16:28 (GMT+00:00)
To: daniel.wainwright@expressandstar.co.uk
Subject: Fwd: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
See the start of the thread is a proposal to the English Democrats FROM Mike Nattrass. ……
Steve Uncles
Area Chairman – South East England
English Democrats
Not Left, Not Right; Just English!
Mobile: 07931 390029
Email: SteveUncles@EngDem.org
——– Original message ——–
From: Derek Hilling <derekhilling@gmail.com>
Date: 17/09/2013 13:10 (GMT+00:00)
To: mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk>
Cc: STEVEN UNCLES <stevenuncles@engdem.org>,”DavidLane@EngDem.org Lane” <davidlane@engdem.org>,Robin Tilbrook <robintilbrook@engdem.org>
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Mike,
I appreciate your reluctance with FaceBook and Twitter and I would not want you to undertake any campaigning activity that you are not comfortable with. That was not where I was coming from.
I simply want you, David and I to work out a ‘modus operandi’ but this does not necessarily have to be done on Friday evening. I hope you would agree that it will be better in the long term to know where we all stand.
See you Friday!
regards,
Derek
On 16 Sep 2013, at 10:08, mike nattrass wrote:
Derek,
CONFIDENTIAL
Good to hear from you and you can call or email anytime.
However I am not sure which aspect you are meaning, because you have not missed anything.
Any agreement, for example is still in draft and the last thing we need are many draft agreements flying about and being commented upon, when they are all incorrect and conflict with EU rules!
My first reply to that agreement was yesterday when I tried to point out that EU rules are paramount in budget planning etc.
Any agreement which supposes otherwise, and gets out, would make page one of The Guardian! The less emails the better.
We need a concluding meeting on Friday …evening? But only if you and I are happy and the members want me to join.
I have never thought that you had no plan, but the emails have not been about a plan and no plan has been discussed. I have not mentioned any plan and certainly not made a comment about a plan.
David has had an email from me about 4 ex BNP members and I await that reply. I need to know the facts to defend because I will be under attack. Already Nikki Sinclaire, UKIP and another have send me lists of so called undesirables taken in from the BNP. A myth that I need to strongly counter!!
I REFUSE POINT BLANK TO GO ONTO FACEBOOK OR TWITTER and I have to say that this is a prime condition of any further progress.
Facebook has lost UKIP two seats and caused major problems (I blame it for the heart attack and death of a UKIP Councillor). The two worst problems I have with your party are two facebook entries. One a Holocaust Denial from a member and another about Thalidomide victims. If you cannot see the damage look again. I am still waiting a rely from David (who I can see is a good chap)
I am in Brussels today and speaking at Probus, Droitwich tomorrow and the tread mill never stops.
You have not been out of any loop and nothing has yet been concluded without you.
Good luck.
Mike.
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:48:26 +0100
CC: derekhilling@engdem.org; DavidLane@EngDem.org; robintilbrook@engdem.org
To: StevenUncles@EngDem.org; ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Dear Mike,
If you would be so good as to include myself and David Lane in any future correspondence regarding arrangements with the English Democrats, I think this will foster a better working relationship. Ultimately it is David and myself that you will have to deal with on a day-to-day basis, not Steve.
As I have previously stated myself and David would like to meet with you, after our conference this weekend, to work-out an agreement for the coming months and years. We certainly do have a plan whatever you may have thought previously.
I look forward to a suggested date for such a meeting, or perhaps we can discuss this when we meet on Friday.
regards,
Derek Hilling
National Secretary &
East Midlands Area Chairman
English Democrats
Not Right Not Left For England!
On 15 Sep 2013, at 21:49, StevenUncles wrote:
Dear Mike
Thanks for this – we appear to be broadly in agreement, but no doubt Derek Hilling and David Lane will wish to add a few further details, especially relating to the 2014 Campaign and working together in the West Midlands.
Robin as you are aware is a Solicitor so the final version I suggest is produced by Robin Tilbrook, I hope this is OK ?
Derek Hilling (National Party Secretary) will confirm the arrangements for Friday Evening at the Leicester Hilton.
Kind regards
Steve Uncles
2014 EU Elections Prospective Candidate
South East England
English Democrats
Head Office: 0207 242 1066
Direct: 01322 225995
Mobile: 07931 390029
From: mike nattrass [mailto:ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 15 September 2013 20:50
To: Steven Uncles
Cc: robintilbrook@aol.com
Subject: RE: Mike Nattress Proposal to the English Democrats
DRAFT ……………
SUBJECT TO OUR MEETING ON 20th SEPT 2013.
1/ I will become an English Democrat MEP transferring from UKIP on 21 September 2013 – and recognise the opportunity to raise the profile of the English Democrats through the expected press attention, and would indeed encourage current UKIP members from all over England to join the English Democrats.
2/ The EU Communications budget and other MEP EU budgets are subject to tight EU rules and the English Democrats will not attempt to influence the MEP in breaking any of those rules.
EU money cannot for example be expended in The West Midlands Election Campaign and this is understood.
I will provide the £5000 deposit and recover it when refunded.
I will fund raise for my campaign and consult with yourselves throughout.
The 7 staff currently employed are dealing with constituency issues and whilst they gain good publicity for the MEP in solving constituency issues they are not for example a Campaign Team.
3/ I wish to head the West Midlands English Democrats Party List (Lead Candidate 2014 West Midlands) and serve as an MEP for 1 year if elected.
IN THE EVENT OF MY ELECTION AS AN MEP IN 2014……………….
4/ I would employ Derek Hilling for one year from 1st September 2014 as part of my EU Staff if elected at £40,000 per year. (If he is not elected in the No 2 Slot)
5/ After one year I will step down on 1st September 2015 as the MEP for the West Midlands, and transfer to Derek Hilling
6/ At 1st September 2015 I will be employed by Derek Hilling MEP as part of his EU Staff for 2 years at £40,000 per year.
7/ Derek Hilling will continue to pay the rent at the regional office at 48 Fentham Road, Hampton in Arden B92 0AYoffice for the 5 year term operating until 2019.
8/ Derek Hilling MEP will take over and respect any existing staff contracts.
9 / I undertake to leave the position of MEP on 1st Sept 2015 and if Derek Hilling, for any reason, cannot take over the post of MEP then another person will be selected by the Leadership of the English Democrats and all of the above conditions will apply by the substitution of their name for that of Derek Hilling.
10/ I am willing to sign a legal document to confirm an agreement reached.
To confirm …office address is:-
48 FENTHAM ROAD
HAMPTON IN ARDEN
B92 0AY
Steve Uncles
2014 EU Elections Prospective Candidate
South East England
English Democrats
Head Office: 0207 242 1066
Direct: 01322 225995
Mobile: 07931 390029
From: mike nattrass [mailto:ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2013 17:14
To: Steven Uncles
Subject: RE: Meeting up with the English Democrats on Saturday 7 September in Hampton Arden
This is all confidential and “IF”
Derek has now replied while riding a bicycle and I am uncertain that he will commit to running the Region in the way I suggest.
The reality of actually winning or the planning of what to do if he is elected may not appear relevant to him. He wants to stand up for his country but I think he doubts if he can win…… otherwise he would have a plan
If I am to do this for him I need to know that he will take over my office and the deal I was going to put to him I have held back, because I can see that he will not think it through.
Members and branches will follow me and obviously my office staff stay with me until July 2014.
We need to talk and i will explain.
Mike
From: stevenuncles@hotmail.com
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
CC: derekhilling@engdem.org; RobinTilbrook@aol.com
Subject: RE: Meeting up with the English Democrats on Saturday 7 September in Hampton Arden
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:50:00 +0100
Dear Mike
Sounds like a plan, naturally our discussions are confidential.
I will ask Derek Hilling to make direct contact with you. (No1 in West Midlands) by phone to discuss “Plan” for West Midlands.
Derek is on Home Number 01536 515921 Mobile – 07973 625922
And we could all be with you next Saturday 7 September for 12 Noon at your office inHampton in Arden
Robin Tilbrook – National Party Chairman
Derek Hilling – National Party Secretary
Steve Uncles – South East Area Chairman
Kind regards
Steve Uncles
2014 EU Elections Prospective Candidate
South East England
English Democrats
Head Office: 0207 242 1066
Direct: 01322 225995
Mobile: 07931 390029
From: mike nattrass [mailto:ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2013 13:24
To: Steven Uncles
Subject: RE: Meeting up with the English Democrats ?
Steve,
Thank you for the direct reply and I would like to give you my thoughts honestly and without commitment either way at this stage.
On evening of 6th I will be in Worcester talking to a Chairman who backed me and got 400 UKIP members and some branches to back me …. I would throw the suggestion to him!!
A meeting with you anytime on 7th is good. I live in Sutton Coldfield but you may prefer to see the office at Hampton.
Birmingham International is 3 miles and Hampton in Arden has a station.
IF I joined your team I would become an English Democrat MEP with immediate effect. I am in Strasbourg on Monday 9th and could do it then.
I am getting lots of positive press in the West Midlands and I think if I run for you in 2014 I would do well. Reporters know me and my office base would not change.
At this point I would need to make friends with the current number one. Because I have a plan which would work to his advantage ………….. will explain later.
As for 2015 …… Skipton and Ripon would be my seat please!
ALL ‘IF’ but you can see that I trust you and like the plan.
Mike
MIKE NATTRASS MEP
07770 538538
This was written at speed cos I need to rush out ….. sorry for any error. Will dicuss “plan” on phone.
From: stevenuncles@hotmail.com
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
CC: derekhilling@engdem.org; RobinTilbrook@aol.com
Subject: Meeting up with the English Democrats ?
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:24:21 +0100
Dear Mike
A am a soft Southerner, but I do have a reputation for straight talking !
In response to your questions.
1/ As an English Nationalist Party and we are against the EU, we Contest the 9 English EU Regions – and will be doing so in 2014, this qualifies the English Democrats for a Party Political Broadcast.
2/ My valued colleague and long standing party member and activist Derek Hilling (National Party Secretary) has already been recommended by the West Midlands Area Council to stand as the lead candidate in the West Midlands, this had been officially confirmed by our National Council, and will be announced on 21 September 2013 at our National Party Conference in Leicester on 21 September, along with the other 7 lead EU Candidates (excluding London where no selection has yet been made).
3/ We have met a couple of times, and you indeed kindly spoke at our English Democrats Conference a few years ago with Nikki Sinclaire, there were no personality problems from an English Democrats point of view, with either yourself or Nikki, and we would welcome your support.
4/ Nigel Farage – we are well aware of the antics of Nigel Farage- and the fact that he does not run UKIP along democratic lines, but considers UKIP to be his own private domain, there appear to be many UKIP members now unhappy about the UKIP Selection process. The English Democrats have been victims of “double dealing” from Nigel Farage in the past.
5/ If your support of the English Democrats goes as far as wanting to stand for the English Democrats, then the current possibilities in the English Democrats for the 2014 EU Elections Candidates (subject to our selection process) are therefore realistically either Lead candidate in London, or 2nd Spot in any other EU Region including the West Midlands standing for the English Democrats – you may like to also think about Yorkshire, as I know you are a Yorkshireman. (Again this would be subject to our Yorkshire Team and our selection process).
6/ Politics is a nasty game, but as we would also be happy to land a blow on Nigel Farage, a defection of a sitting UKIP MEP to the English Democrats announced the week before BOTH conferences in 2013 would be a great first move in the 2014 EU Campaign, and would raise the profile of the English Democrats – the BBC would lap it up.
7/ Although time is short, then I believe we have time to sort out a mutually convenient arrangement, that follows the English Democrats procedures before Monday 16 September 2013.
Current English Democrats Manifesto:-http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/policies-full-manifesto.html
If you are still interested in meeting, then two or three of us would be delighted to visit you next week in Hampton in Arden, probably early evening.
The most likely date is the 7th September 2013 for a meeting or after the 9th.
Proabably best to confirm meeting arrangements by telephone.
Kind regards
Steve Uncles
2014 EU Elections Prospective Candidate
South East England
English Democrats
Head Office: 0207 242 1066
Direct: 01322 225995
Mobile: 07931 390029
From: mike nattrass [mailto:ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 31 August 2013 08:21
To: Steven Uncles
Subject: RE: MIKE NATTRASS MEP
Steve,
Being a Northerner I come to the point.
How many regions will you contest at the European elections please?
Who is your lead candidate for West Midlands please?
I am in the mood to help you, we have met and you impress me and providing we agree on policy (I need to just check) the publicity would be dynamic.
I have worked hard and done nothing wrong in UKIP. My personal following is very good (because I say it as it is, smile and insult everyone equally) My press contacts are very large.
My crime against Nigel was to point at racists in the EFD Group (not even the party). I wrote to the UKIP NEC and said that we should not associate with them. But Nigel needed the numbers, to keep the leadership of the group so I was not popular.
However what I had warned about then happened. Mario (Italian) who I had warned about, endorsed the views of the Norwegian mass murderer (giving Nigel more than a frown) and then racially abused a Black Italian Government Minister ….. final straw Nigel sacked him. SO THEY SAY I WAS NOT LOYAL TO THE PARTY! Sorry, no, just trying to protect the UKIP name from racists.
I look forward to talking.
Mike
Steve,
Yes, it may be worth having a chat.
I am back in the UK late on 5th and in my office at Hampton in Arden on 6th.
On 9th I will be in Strasbourg voting NO.
Can we meet 6th, 7th or 8th?
Where are you based?
Why not!
Mike
From: stevenuncles@hotmail.com
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
CC: RobinTilbrook@aol.com; derekhilling@engdem.org
Subject: MIKE NATTRASS MEP
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 20:27:18 +0100
Dear Mike
I hope you are well.
I was sorry to see that you have not been selected by UKIP to stand in the 2014 EU Elections.
I was just wondering as to whether it may be worth having a chat ?
Kind regards
Yet another version as circulated follows:
——– Original message ——–
From: Steven Uncles <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Date: 19/09/2013 16:54 (GMT+00:00)
To: P Nicholas Watson BBC <nicholas.watson@bbc.co.uk>
Subject: Fwd: re DRAFT from MIKE Steve Uncles
Area Chairman – South East England
English Democrats
Not Left, Not Right; Just English!
Mobile: 07931 390029
Email: SteveUncles@EngDem.org
——– Original message ——–
From: Steven Uncles <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Date: 19/09/2013 16:24 (GMT+00:00)
To: daniel.wainwright@expressandstar.co.uk
Subject: Fwd: re DRAFT from MIKE
Earlier Draft
Steve Uncles
Area Chairman – South East England
English Democrats
Not Left, Not Right; Just English!
Mobile: 07931 390029
Email: SteveUncles@EngDem.org
——– Original message ——–
From: mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: 18/09/2013 19:25 (GMT+00:00)
To: Derek Hilling <derekhilling@gmail.com>,”RobinTilbrook@aol.com” <robintilbrook@aol.com>
Cc: davidlane@engdem.org,STEVEN UNCLES <stevenuncles@engdem.org>
Subject: RE: re DRAFT from MIKE
SORRY I DID NOT SPOT UKIP BEING ADVERTISED IN THE HEADLINE …ignore the fraud riddled rascals.
Also small changes towards the end to let it flow.
Mike
EMBARGOED UNTIL 00:01 a.m. Friday, 20th September 2013
BREAKING NEWS – MEP, MIKE NATTRASS MOVES TO THE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS
West Midlands MEP Mike Nattrass has announced that he wishes to join the English Democratic Party, the only party that wants England to be independent of the EU.
Mike Nattrass will be standing as the English Democrats’ Lead Candidate for the EU Parliament election on the 22nd May 2014, with supporting positions taken by Derek Hilling, Party Secretary and David Lane, West Midlands Chairman.
The English Democrats are delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the party and as our first English Democrat MEP.
Mike joined the English Democrats because no other party stands firm and believes in the protection of English interests.
Robin Tilbrook, the English Democrats Party Chairman, said:- “I am delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the English Democrats and look forward to getting him re-elected again as an English Democrat MEP, on 22nd May 2014.
“Over the coming year Scottish Independence will be in focus as they face the Scottish Independence referendum. The English Democrats are England’s equivalent to that Party and our conference will debate further one of our key policy proposals, Independence for England.”
Robin continued:- “The EU Justice Commissioner has already confirmed that when England becomes independent it will not remain within the EU and would “have to re-join”!
As our policy is that “We will not wish to rejoin!” this will appeal to all those wishing to see England escape, out of the EU!”
Mike Nattrass MEP responded by saying “England is my home and The English Democrats are my Party. The policy of not applying to rejoin the EU is English music to my ears”
Robin Tilbrook
Chairman,
The English Democrats,
Quires Green, Willingale, Ongar, Essex, CM5 0QP
Tel: 01277 896000
Fax: 01277 896050
Mobile : 07778 553395
Blog: http://robintilbrook.blogspot.co.uk/
FaceBook Profile: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook
Party Tel: 0207 242 1066
Twitter: @RobinTilbrook
Party Website: www.englishdemocrats.org
English Democrats’ FB Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/www.EngDem.org
Chairman’s FB
Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/Robin.Tilbrook.English.Democrats
Key facts about the English Democrats
The English Democrats launched in 2002. The English Democrats are the English nationalist Party which campaigns for a Parliament for England, First Minister and Government, with at least the same powers as the Scottish ones within a Federal UK; for St George’s Day to be England’s National holiday; for Jerusalem to be England’s National Anthem; for a Referendum to leave the EU; for an end to mass immigration; for the Cross of St George to be flown on all public buildings in England.
The English Democrats are England’s answer to the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru. The English Democrats’ greatest electoral successes to date include winning the Directly Elected Executive Mayoralty of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council and the 2012 referendum; We won the referendum which triggered a referendum to give Salford City an Elected Mayor; In 2012 we saved all our deposits in the Police Commissioner elections and came second in South Yorkshire; In the 2009 EU election we gained 279,801 votes after a total EU campaign spend of less than £25,000 (giving the English Democrats by far the most cost efficient electoral result of any serious Party in the UK)
CC: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk; davidlane@engdem.org; stevenuncles@engdem.org
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:09:56 +0200
To: RobinTilbrook@aol.com
Robin, I think the first sentence is too long and not sufficiently ‘snappy’. We need to get their attention immediately. Other than that, it is good.
Regards,
Derek
Sent from my iPhone
On 18 Sep 2013, at 18:08, RobinTilbrook@aol.com wrote:
Dear Mike, David, Steve and Derek
Please see below the press release to read, amend or approve.
Regards
Robin
EMBARGOED UNTIL 00:01 a.m. Friday, 20th September 2013
BREAKING NEWS – UKIP MEP, MIKE NATTRASS MOVES TO THE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS
UKIP’s only remaining West Midlands MEP has announced that he is moving from UKIP, partly in disgust at Nigel Farage’s corruption of the UKIP’s selection processes and also because Mike Nattrass wants to be part of the only genuine English Nationalist Party that wants England to be independent of the EU. Mike Nattrass will be standing as the English Democrats’ Lead Candidate for the EU Parliament election on the 22nd May 2014, with supporting positions taken by Derek Hilling, our Party Secretary and David Lane, our West Midlands Chairman.
The English Democrats are delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the English Democrats and as our first English Democrat MEP. Mike’s move to join us is partly as a result of UKIP’s obsessive focus on the United Kingdom and the exclusion of any genuine interest in English interests.
Robin Tilbrook, the English Democrats Party Chairman, said:- “I am delighted to welcome Mike Nattrass as a member of the English Democrats and look forward to working with him to get him re-elected this time as an English Democrats MEP, in May 2014. Over the coming year I am fully expecting the question of Scottish Independence to become of increasing interest as we build up to the Scottish Independence referendum. The English Democrats are England’s equivalent to the Scottish Nationalist Party and the only party that is a genuine English nationalist party. At our conference one of the key proposals is the adoption of a keynote policy of Independence for England.”
Robin continued:- “Interestingly if England becomes independent the EU Justice Commissioner has already confirmed that any newly independent nation will automatically be outside of the EU, claiming that they would “have to re-join”! Our policy of Independence for England will therefore appeal to all those who want England to leave the EU!”
Robin Tilbrook
Chairman,
The English Democrats,
Quires Green, Willingale, Ongar, Essex, CM5 0QP
Tel: 01277 896000
Fax: 01277 896050
Mobile : 07778 553395
Blog: http://robintilbrook.blogspot.co.uk/
FaceBook Profile: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook
Party Tel: 0207 242 1066
Twitter: @RobinTilbrook
Party Website: www.englishdemocrats.org
English Democrats’ FB Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/www.EngDem.org
Chairman’s FB
Page: http://www.facebook.com/robin.tilbrook#!/Robin.Tilbrook.English.Democrats
Key facts about the English Democrats
The English Democrats launched in 2002. The English Democrats are the English nationalist Party which campaigns for a Parliament for England, First Minister and Government, with at least the same powers as the Scottish ones within a Federal UK; for St George’s Day to be England’s National holiday; for Jerusalem to be England’s National Anthem; for a Referendum to leave the EU; for an end to mass immigration; for the Cross of St George to be flown on all public buildings in England.
The English Democrats are England’s answer to the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru. The English Democrats’ greatest electoral successes to date include winning the Directly Elected Executive Mayoralty of Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council and the 2012 referendum; We won the referendum which triggered a referendum to give Salford City an Elected Mayor; In 2012 we saved all our deposits in the Police Commissioner elections and came second in South Yorkshire; In the 2009 EU election we gained 279,801 votes after a total EU campaign spend of less than £25,000 (giving the English Democrats by far the most cost efficient electoral result of any serious Party in the UK)
In a message dated 18/09/2013 08:04:19 GMT Daylight Time, ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk writes:
Sorry Derek but I got the impression, from your email, that you needed to see me.
But you did say “after the Conference” and so be it.
No problem and we will meet again anyway on Friday pm.
Mike
CC: davidlane@engdem.org; robintilbrook@aol.com; stevenuncles@engdem.org
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:47:30 +0200
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Hello Mike,
I’m sorry but I won’t be flying back into Birmingham until Friday afternoon, I have work meetings in the morning.
Is there something urgent that needs to happen before the NC? I had not got this impression from previous communications. I would prefer to set aside time next week for a full discussion.
Regards,
Derek
Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Sep 2013, at 17:41, mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Derek,
No problem at all, but can we meet Friday morning?
Mike
CC: davidlane@engdem.org; robintilbrook@aol.com; stevenuncles@engdem.org
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:32:25 +0100
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Hello Mike,
I am currently in Birmingham airport waiting for a flight to Amsterdam. The trip is only for work I’m afraid, I don’t think I shall be partaking of any of the local delights!
I’m back on Friday so let’s have a chat before the meeting and arrange something convenient for us all, perhaps next week. It seems like we are all a bit pre-occupied this week.
Regards,
Derek
Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Sep 2013, at 14:48, mike nattrass <ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks Derek,
If you need to talk before Friday we can meet Wednesday pm or Thursday pm or Friday morning.
I am only too happy for the three of us to work on a campaign.
it is just that I am fighting back at present and time has been my problem. I did an interview for ITV yesterday in Brussels but as yet I cannot mention the English Democrats.
IF we all agree, that bombshell will hit on Saturday.
When shall we meet?
Mike
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:54:07 +0100
CC: stevenuncles@engdem.org; davidlane@engdem.org; robintilbrook@engdem.org
To: ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Mike,
I appreciate your reluctance with FaceBook and Twitter and I would not want you to undertake any campaigning activity that you are not comfortable with. That was not where I was coming from.
I simply want you, David and I to work out a ‘modus operandi’ but this does not necessarily have to be done on Friday evening. I hope you would agree that it will be better in the long term to know where we all stand.
See you Friday!
regards,
Derek
On 16 Sep 2013, at 10:08, mike nattrass wrote:
Derek,
CONFIDENTIAL
Good to hear from you and you can call or email anytime.
However I am not sure which aspect you are meaning, because you have not missed anything.
Any agreement, for example is still in draft and the last thing we need are many draft agreements flying about and being commented upon, when they are all incorrect and conflict with EU rules!
My first reply to that agreement was yesterday when I tried to point out that EU rules are paramount in budget planning etc.
Any agreement which supposes otherwise, and gets out, would make page one of The Guardian! The less emails the better.
We need a concluding meeting on Friday …evening? But only if you and I are happy and the members want me to join.
I have never thought that you had no plan, but the emails have not been about a plan and no plan has been discussed. I have not mentioned any plan and certainly not made a comment about a plan.
David has had an email from me about 4 ex BNP members and I await that reply. I need to know the facts to defend because I will be under attack. Already Nikki Sinclaire, UKIP and another have send me lists of so called undesirables taken in from the BNP. A myth that I need to strongly counter!!
I REFUSE POINT BLANK TO GO ONTO FACEBOOK OR TWITTER and I have to say that this is a prime condition of any further progress.
Facebook has lost UKIP two seats and caused major problems (I blame it for the heart attack and death of a UKIP Councillor). The two worst problems I have with your party are two facebook entries. One a Holocaust Denial from a member and another about Thalidomide victims. If you cannot see the damage look again. I am still waiting a rely from David (who I can see is a good chap)
I am in Brussels today and speaking at Probus, Droitwich tomorrow and the tread mill never stops.
You have not been out of any loop and nothing has yet been concluded without you.
Good luck.
Mike.
Subject: Re: Mike Nattrass Proposal to the English Democrats
From: derekhilling@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:48:26 +0100
CC: derekhilling@engdem.org; DavidLane@EngDem.org; robintilbrook@engdem.org
To: StevenUncles@EngDem.org; ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk
Dear Mike,
If you would be so good as to include myself and David Lane in any future correspondence regarding arrangements with the English Democrats, I think this will foster a better working relationship. Ultimately it is David and myself that you will have to deal with on a day-to-day basis, not Steve.
As I have previously stated myself and David would like to meet with you, after our conference this weekend, to work-out an agreement for the coming months and years. We certainly do have a plan whatever you may have thought previously.
I look forward to a suggested date for such a meeting, or perhaps we can discuss this when we meet on Friday.
regards,
Derek Hilling
National Secretary &
East Midlands Area Chairman
English Democrats
Not Right Not Left For England!
On 15 Sep 2013, at 21:49, StevenUncles wrote:
Dear Mike
Thanks for this – we appear to be broadly in agreement, but no doubt Derek Hilling and David Lane will wish to add a few further details, especially relating to the 2014 Campaign and working together in the West Midlands.
Robin as you are aware is a Solicitor so the final version I suggest is produced by Robin Tilbrook, I hope this is OK ?
Derek Hilling (National Party Secretary) will confirm the arrangements for Friday Evening at the Leicester Hilton.
Kind regards
Steve Uncles
2014 EU Elections Prospective Candidate
South East England
English Democrats
Head Office: 0207 242 1066
Direct: 01322 225995
Mobile: 07931 390029
From: mike nattrass [mailto:ukipmep@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 15 September 2013 20:50
To: Steven Uncles
Cc: robintilbrook@aol.com
Subject: RE: Mike N
Not content with destroying what little credibility he once had Mike Nattrass in pique at his abject failure to achieve anthing in political reality now seeks, we gather, to try to jump on Nikki Sinclaire’s band wagon, which she created having quit UKIP on ethical grounds, unlike Mike Nattrass who having been a prime mover in the corruption of UKIP for many years left6 in a tantrum when he fgell out of favour with Farage and was dumped as a candidate for election as an MEP in 2014!
MNike is to face political humiliation and prove that ALL political careers end in failure having decided to stand on as near a similar platform as he could manage to that of Nikki Sinclaire to try to spoil her chances after the work she has done for her constituents and the cause of a referendum!
Mike Nattrass and Robin Tilbrook actually deserved eachother!
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