Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU!
At Conservative Home as clearly UKIP has no relevance in this issue!
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Considering An IN/OUT Referendum & The EU.
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Hi,
the posting below is one I placed earlier on a Conservative Forum, you may find it of interest:
Hi,
A Royal Commission to report 3 months before The General Election based on Cost Benefits of continued membership of The EU and provision of a fully documented Exit & Survival Strategy becomes essential for a free, fair and informed IN/OUT Referendum with no cunning codicils, no intervention from The EU or its staff (probably includes the entire Civil Service nowadays!) and equal funding and media time for both sides.
Then, unlike the utterly rigged devolution scam in Wales, open counting of the vote!
If Scotland is considered acceptable to hold a Referendum –
Then:
‘We-Demand-A-Referendum’
‘Let-The-People-Decide’
it is after all OUR Country and our elected servants should remember their place and their oft claimed mantra:
‘They Work For You‘
which at the moment looks somewhat shaky.
To date no one has EVER shown a benefit of consequence for Britain or our peoples in membership of The EU, that is not hugely outweighed by:
the loss of liberty,
the negation of democracy,
the centralisation of control,
the overpaying of the useless who gain access to the pot of OUR money IF they support the scam,
the justification of the £Billions spent on propaganda to tell us how good The EU is etc. etc.
Let us not forget also the downside risks and the obscene and unaccounted £50Million a day membership tax.
I appreciate that those feeding at the troughs, inside the bubble, do incredibly well for themselves, and thus have great motivation to try to block and if need be rig a referendum.
There is absolutely zero intelligent reason for continuing to prop up The EU, an experiment which on almost every count has failed to deliver, and particularly for these United Kingdoms.
Do not forget that Europe WAS:
38% of world GDP,
by 2010 The EU’s share had fallen to 24%
& by 2020 it is expected to be 15% or less!
The EU scam has failed!
Why shackle ourselves to a corpse?
We Want A Referendum
Let The People Decide
– Leave-The-EU!
good, then leave. Do you think anyone in the EU cares, do you think you can blackmail the EU? Look what happened a few months ago; The UK was simply ignored and the EU moved on. The UK is searching for a new identity. The Empire gone, the “special relationship” with the US is only special for the UK, not the US. Germany and France are the major players in Europe, the UK could join them, but doesn’t want to. The UK will be (or is already) a third rate power, behind France and Germany. The French redefined their role, the UK hasn’t. In less than twenty years many economies will have overtaken the UK, the UK will be just another country, great times are over. You wanna leave, then leave. It will damage the UK more than the EU>
The aim is NOT to damage The EU – merely to Leave-The-EU which has failed, irrefutably, to deliver any consequential benefit for these United Kingdoms at a cost, currently, of £50Million a day in hard cash and massive damage by over regulation, excessive controls and starving us of access to our natural global markets where our trade has grown in the last few years as our trade with EU countries has become ever more negative.
Of course The EU won’t cut us off – they are bound by The WTO agreements.
Also do be minded that our trade with the EU is a nett profit to them and a nett loss to us!
It can clearly be argued that we will be Better-Off-OUT even were that to mean we ceased trading with the EU entirely, which clearly would not happen.
It is time to implement Article 50, institute a Royal Commission, foreswear the signing of ANY new agreements until AFTER the Royal Commission reports with a full cost benefit analysis and clear Exit & Survival Strategy and a free, fair, informed and balanced Referendum on IN/OUT.
Let-The-People-Decide.
This is a situation where the Government can take the lead and the 220,000 signatures obtained by the independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire & her team, backed by various polls has shown the people want a referendum in a spirit of integrity and fair play.
That the Franco German Allience under ‘The Treaty of Elysee’ makes a mockery of the entire EU concept is worthy of note as TH has reminded us they have seized the power and control The EU.
It is something of a relief that Germany did Cameron’s job for him and blocked The BAE merger with EADS or yet another British mega corp would have been crushed into the Fraco German portfolio similarly the collapse of the RBS sell out to Santander has retained that business.
Now Leave-The-EU and lets start repatriating and reconstructing our democracy, justice, civil service, police, military, economy, businesses etc. etc. in a spirit of self control and in line with the fundamental human right of self determination ‘Let The People Decide’.
Shock horror we could consider revivvifying The Anglosphere and we could draw up our own international treaties and contracts – even with individual vassal states of The EU!
BBC features ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign’s inagural Conference at Westminster Hall today!!
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Hi,
here is the first picture to emerge from the We Demand A Referendum Party inaugural Conference at Westminster Hall today:
5 October 2012 Last updated at 12:44
You will also note that some odious coward has launched a site to defame and denigrate the efforts and patriotism of Nikki Sinclaire, Katie Hopkins and Gary Cartwright SO FAR!
Exactly as I predicted would happen to assist The EU and its army of bribed supporters.
Interesting that it is in almost the exact style of the UKIP site run by a vile little twerp, also too ashamed to put his name to his odious and self serving comments who passed himself off as Skeptyk – Usefull idiots are a dime a dozen and UKIP leadership would seem to have an overdose of them – One can understand the fact that they are embarrassed that ordinary people with ordinary backgrounds and no material funding from the public purse have shown them for what they are – USELESS!
Face facts: In 20 years at a cost of around £50,000,000 from the public purse UKIP has achieved the sum total of zero to move this country one fraction of an inch closer to the aim to Leave-The-EU but in a very short time as an elected MEP Team Sinclaire hasd achieved all this!
Hardly surprising the low lifes seek to attack Sinclaire!
Unlike UKIP’s MEPs none of this new Party’s main characters have been sent tyo prison and or ordered to repay huge sums to the public purse.
Further – unlike Farage, Titford, Graham Booth, Stuart Agnew, David Bannerman, Tom Wiser, and Derek Clark Nikki Sinclaire has not been investigated by OLAF that anyone has managed to show – nor is she under investigation unlike Stuart Agnew & David Bannerman whilst the rest were found guilty and had to pay back money they had missappropriated!
Lets leave the muck racking of private lives to the scum working to help The EU and concentrate on the efforts of Sinclaire, Hopkins, Cartwright and their supporters to gain an IN / OUT Referendum based on the results of a Royal Commission and a free, fair and equally funded Referendum without foreign intervention from The EU and its corrupt supporters!
We note the EU’s friends with their spoof site and tittle tattle have failed to show any single solitary offence of those in the new party that are not well known in spades from the shower of self serving UKIP leadership and their fellow travellers!
Shock Horror – we are told Katie Hopkins when single had an afair!
Wow – we are told that shortly after service to his country in The RAF Gary Cartwright was briefly involved, as he found his feet in civvie street with a strage group of politicians lets face it UKIP is a member of the overtly anti Jewish, anti homosexual, holocaust denying, racists and supporters of Anders Breivick – In fact Nigel Farage leads not only his party but the odious EFD extremist group in The EU’s gutters!
Good luck to The We Demand A Referendum campaign – I hope your conference will attract many more followers in the longer term, gain a Royal Commission and work to Leave-The-EU!
New EU referendum party holding first conference
Former Apprentice contestant Katie Hopkins is backing the new party
A former Apprentice contestant and several ex-UKIP politicians are among those attending the first meeting of a new party calling for a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU.
The We Demand a Referendum party was launched last month by Nikki Sinclaire, a member of the European Parliament.
The party, whose slogan is “let the people the decide”, is holding its first conference in central London
Ms Sinclaire, who left UKIP in 2010, insists the party is not eurosceptic.
The party’s leading figures also include Roger Knapman – who led the UK Independence Party until 2006.
‘Distraction’Ms Sinclaire says We Demand a Referendum will stand candidates in every region in 2014’s European elections unless Prime Minister David Cameron sets the date for a vote to decide whether or not the UK remains a member of the European Union.
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If Mr Cameron won’t give us a vote, then we’ll simply demand one at the 2014 European elections”
Nikki SinclaireMEP
“We’ve proven that six out of 10 people now want a referendum on this issue,” she said.
“It is time to let the people decide. If Mr Cameron won’t give us a vote, then we’ll simply demand one at the 2014 European elections”.
A spokesman for the UK Independence Party, which has long campaigned for the UK to exit the EU, described We Demand a Referendum as a “distraction”.
“You’ve had a whole range of withdrawlist parties and independent candidates standing and all have sank without trace,” he said. “Their heart’s in the right place but we feel the same will happen in this instance.”
Other issuesJoining Ms Sinclaire at the party’s inaugural conference on Friday are Katie Hopkins, a former contestant on the BBC’s Apprentice show, and the right-wing broadcaster Charlie Woolf.
Ms Hopkins told the BBC’s Daily Politics in September that the party is also campaigning on issues such as traveller sites and fighting for small businesses.
Party founder Ms Sinclaire was suspended from UKIP in 2010 and subsequently expelled.
She has since won a sex discrimination claim against the party and, until recently, sat as an independent in Brussels.
Last year she was behind a petition of 100,000 signatures calling for a referendum on the UK’s future relationship with the EU.
The petition led to a House of Commons debate on the issue and 81 Conservative MPs defied David Cameron to support an “in-out” vote.
The Beatles ‘Love Me Do’ released 50 years ago today!
As was the launch of the first ‘James Bond‘ film with the iconic British flag waving!
Today in 2012 is the inaugural Conference of:
‘We Want A Referendum’ campaign at Westminster Hall!
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Hi,today – Friday 05-Sept-1962 was the day on which the original Beatles line up, before Ringo Starr joined the group, released their first single.
It is the 50th anniversary of the release of Love Me Do:
Today is also the anniversary of the iconic British series of James Bond films with the release of Sean Connery as James Bond in the film ‘Dr. NO‘
It is also the actual day today of the inagural conference of the new British political party ‘We Demand A Referendum‘ I shall campaign and support the campaign to ‘Let The People Decide‘ based on the FACTS provided by a Royal Commission with no additional commitment to The EU and no further payments until AFTER The IN / OUT Referendum is held with equal funding and equal media coverage for both sides and absolutely NO interference from corrupt external sources such as The EU and its puppets.I shall campaign and support a NO vote launched today since it is the 50th. anniversary of Doctor NO let us hope when we Leave-The-EU it will prove as great a success as James Bond!
Good luck to Nikki Sinclaire and her team in their campaign for a referendum – just as with The Beatles 50 years ago – who would have expected such a huge success – I did when I bought my copy of the 45rpm single Love Me Do with ‘PS I Love You’ on the flip side, on the day it was released in Germany where I lived at the time or back at school in Bristol, which I can’t remember as I was 16 and much has happened since!
I do well remember that at the time I was vehemently opposed to Britain ever joining the then EEC (EUropaische Wirtschaft Gemeinschaft!)
Today I’m looking forward to the start of something big that 50 years on will be seen as the great turning point in British history when the people of Britain started to stand on their own feet once more with the determination to excerciswe their fundamental human right of ‘Self Determination‘ sickened by the betrayal of their Country, their ancestors, their descendants and themselves by their low caliber self serving, self enriching politicial elite and their corrupt Civil Servants and State Broadcasters.
The new Movement has been launched as a political party not to gain seats but to comply with Electoral Commission law and gain influence and today with almost 1/4 Million signatures and a House of Commons debate already achieved having only launched the movement formally just a couple of weeks ago to get anything over 100 to attend their inagural conference at Westminster Hall will be a great step forward today.
Already Nikki Sinclaire has been on radio today promoting her team and their aims.
I hope all goes well for them and their genuine supporters – there will of course be many who after years of being paid £Millions to achieve this great step will be embarrassed at their total failure to deliver who will snipe and detract from the achievement and seek every way they can to denigrate it just as there will be many a ‘band wagon’ jumper trying to pretend it is their achievement just as UKIP leadership did as they paraded up and down outside Parliament at Westminster whilst the debate Team Sinclaire had achieved went on inside!
The conference will be held on Friday 5th October from 10.30am – 3.30pm
Speakers on the day will include the following –
Nikki Sinclaire MEP
Katie Hopkins
George Hargreaves
Roger Knapman
+ A Guest Speaker
Places for this event are limited and we urge anybody who wishes to attend to book by calling the office on
0121 359 5933
For further information on this event please do not hestitate to contact the team on the above number, or email on info@letthepeopledecide.eu
Further meetings across the country will be held and announced in due course.
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Let us hope that they have booked the right sized rooms (a very difficult guess!) as they vary in size between over 2,000 and around 30 as I recall – personally I believe anything over 100 attending will be a success, as the organisation has been at relatively short notice and clearly the main parties are frightened of seeing their control to rig a referendum being challenged and are likely to try to sabotage the effort!
Even little UKIP who have shown that they are resoundingly rejected in domestic politics and only seem to have a following in EU protest antics, have been pulling out all the stops to try to sabotage the initiative!
There may be more in attendance than I expect, even The EU can be expected tobe sending spies and delegates to try to undermine this initiative!
Just think howmany €Millions, of our money as tax payers, and howmany 1,000s of bribes were handed out by EU staffers and those living on EU bribes to try to get votes that The EU wanted in Ireland – against the wishes of the people of Ireland who were resoundingly betrayed by their own self seeking politicians!
Consider how regularly the British people have been lied to by their own politicians – Cameron, Heath, Rippon, Clegg, Farage, Clark and all in between, just to keep their snouts in the troughs on the EU Gravy Train.
Good luck to Team Sinclaire and I look forward to hearing all about the speakers and hope it will be videoed for those of us who can’t get there.
Paul Nuttall exposes UKIP’s true values on The Politics Show!
We note Katie Hopkins has her own views as well as presenting the aims of the ‘We Demand A Referendum’ campaign and already the scum that support UKIP are posting web sites to defame and denigrate her, Nikki Sinclaire & Gary Cartwright from a position of obscene anonymity!
The fear is palpable as is the betrayal of the electorate for personal gain!
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though I agree with the comment made by Team Junius, on their blog CLICK HERE, I do believe that they have failed to point out that the Farage Party, which represents the so called leadership clique and its claque of scuzzy self seekers, and NOT UKIP which is the well meaning, if stunningly naiive and ill informed 10,000 or so ordinary members who lend their names to the corruption, largely in innocence and a spirit of hope over experience.
Sadly the party is driven on as an unprofessional clique of self serving self interested and mutually self supporting and self enriching and unethical rascals.
It is clear they have no clear aims beyond the mantras that hide their own gain, be it sexual, financial or perceived status as they behave like a rather unpleasant gaggle of low lifes on a reality game show – endlessly attacking and abusing anyone who dares to hold an opinion that may counter or question theirs. None are so berated and abused as those who support the aims of UKIP but have seen through the charlatans who control it.
One need only see the fool Nuttall’s contortions to attack Katie Hopkins and the We Demand A Referendum campaign that has actually achieved something.
Nuttall even went so far as to make an issue of accusing them of vote splitting, no doubt in terror at the prospect of losing his over paid position and having to get a job, as he made it clear he considered MEPs to be ineffective and useless.
It is clear that the We Demand A Referendum campaign does not seek office and has no intention of being a political party and upsetting the carefully constructed LibLabEUkipCon of the two main parties and their acolytes, ensuring they remain on their respective gravy trains; merely working to ensure a referendum on their terms and show that the LibLabEUkipCon want no such fair and informed vote of the people (to appreciate this just read the Faragistas pamphlet on Referendum!).
In fact it was clear that what Team Junius had failed to point out was that The Faraginies have no vision, no strategy, no tactics, no exit and survival strategy and no future and are utterly dependent on pointing out the perceived failings of others, actual or imaginary, as they have not a single solitary achievement to their names and had Jimmy Goldsmith and The Referendum Party lived UKIP would already have faded into oblivion as just anothr gaggle of self seekers.
Farage’s Party is so bereft of aims and achievements and so without professionalism, as shown by the fact that after 20 years they have totally failed to build a team, a structure, MPs or even any sound base of elected councillors of any worth, or as Nuttall makes clear provide anyone of any note other than Farage!
Failed and rejected Tories, be they geriatric, crimional or merely fools, hardly represent success!
To try to promote poor old Lord whatever at the conference as a great achievement when he left the Tories around a decade ago, is virtually unknown to the peoples of Britain and retired long ago, shows the bankruptcy of the Farage Party and the insult to the intelligence of the electorate of fielding the proven corrupt dismissed ex Tory Niel Hamilton is no more than an embarrassment.
As one UKIP insider (with experience as a staffer in the claque) noted recently a good way to achieve prefferment in the Farage Party is to prostitute oneself to promotion!
Swanning around in The EU liberally greasing the wheels is no substitute for achievement and as far as I know was not what was meant by ‘climbing the greasy pole’!
That failed elderly Tories may provide a sad backdrop to the boudoir, the antics of the younger members and their obsession with their ‘members’ merely shows the party for the vile little gaggle of amoral, immoral, racist, abusive, anti homosexual, anti Jewish low lifes they indesputably are.
Check out the track record of the other scum in the EFD and then wonder at how the Farage clique and its claque fit so well in that environment of squalid hate and self enrichment!
My congratulations to We Demand A Referendum and the clarity of their message, as they campaign for an informed debate, as a result of a Royal Commission which shows on an honest and cross party basis the cost benefits of membership of The EU, and a clear set of data on which to devise a Safe, sound and well planned Exit & Survival Strategy (No doubt under Article 50 of the EU constitution).
Then and only then can the peoples of these United Kingdoms vote in a straightforward IN / OUT manner.
To study the Tory Fresh Start one Starts Afresh to reaise it is a ‘device’ with two aims:
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To ensure that at an apposite moment Campbell and his team can announce they WILL hold a referendum on IN / OUT AFTER the General Election thus leaving UKIP (unsurprisingly) with no role, as ever, in domestic politics.
02. The other side of their coin is to work, through George EUstace and other sham EUroPlastics to provide one of the most corrupt and rigged votes in British history, on a par with the utterly dishonest Welsh Devolution vote which Labour LOST had they not undeniably rigged it!
The aim is an IN / OUT vote, BUT with huge funding from The EU, massive intervention from areas of big business who are so well protected by the EU red tape from any emergent business or level playing field for competition (ensuring that ALL the gravy on the gravy train is divied up amongst the usual suspects).
The IN vote will hold a codicil along the lines of:
‘Knowing that The Government will work hard to negotiate the very best deal they can with such powers as they can have repatriated do you wish to styay in the single market protected in the global economy when the New EU Constitution is agreed in 2016’
The codicil to the OUT vote will be along the lines of:
‘Do you wish to be OUT of the EU and denied the opportunity to influence the decision making of the largest market group in the world, and the protection it offers – exposed to the risks of being alone in a global market in a dangerous world?’
Yes that is the level of dishonesty to which the LibLabEUkipCon and their EU chums will sink to, you have seen the first round in cartoon form from Nuttall & Toby Young aided by The State broadcasters in the video above!
Do not forget Nigel Farage is a leader of The Pan EU EFD Group in the EU, a group that welcomes and advocates EU membership, merely seeking reform of certain details!
Nuttall and his chums come across as little more than crass, dishonest, self serving petty crooks and only Nikki Sinclaire has EVER spoken out as an elected UKIP MEP, against their corruption and acted on her principles and just look at the vile way they chose to attack and vilify her, even stooping to lies and attempted setups.
Good luck with the campaign Demanding A Royal Commission, and a fair and equitable debate, thereafter to decide a simple IN / OUT Referendum with equal funding, no hidden codicils, equal media coverage and absolutely no involvement of non UK citizens or their EU money.
Such a pity none of Jimmy Goldsmith’s family or children were big enough to wear his shoes. However let us not forget Jimmy Goldsmith was supping with the Devil as an MEP, and believed in EU membership!
Unlike Churchill who clearly stated that ‘ If the choice was between membership of EUrope and the open sea Britain was best served by taking to the open sea’!
I shall continue to campaign to leave the EU and will continue to do all I can to inform of the corruption of rascals like UKIP leadership clique and its claque.
Just as I will happily expose ANYONE who seeks to abuse the We Demand A Referendum Campaign for their own personal gain. Similarly I will seek to do my best to defend the principles and values I have held all my life and will support these who act honourably in the interest of OUR Country and its peoples of whatever creed, superstition or colour as held within the law.
I trust that honest men and women who actually support these United Kingdoms will do all they can to campaign for a Royal Commission, ensuring a clear answer to the cost benefit issue of EU membership and the drawing up of a simple plausible ‘Exit & Survival Strategy’ to then ensure a free, fair and informed equitable referendum of a simple IN /OUT.
What is the Exit and Survival Plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits when we Leave-The-EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our borders.
They also have a duty to put in place contingency plans for the collapse of The EUro & The EU or the wishes of the peoples of Britain to Leave-The-EU.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for over 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.
Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the Main Stream Media and Snivil Cervants.
The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, at very best if they ALL agreed they would then still have less than a 10% say in the governance of Britain by The EU.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that unanimous promise!
To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:
Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.
Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples, by the peoples of our Country.
It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.
To achieve change support rational planning as with The Harrogate Agenda and similar thinking of gravitas.
Demand a Royal Commission on the cost benefits of leaving The EU and of remaining its vassals with a clear ‘Exit & Survival Strategy‘ for implementation OR responsible contingency planning dependent on THEN holding a Referendum on IN or OUT to Let-The-People-Decide!
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