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UKIP’s unprofessional lack of political understanding!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/01/2013

UKIP’s unprofessional lack of political understanding!
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UKIP’s unprofessional lack of political understanding has led them into many pitfalls!

The lack of political gravitas, even knowledge, has beguiled them into the idiocy of laying claim to being Libertarian!!

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Hi,
clearly UKIP has virtually no understanding of political doctrines, which has led them into the oft made proud boast of being Libertarian – Under no circumstances can UKIP be presented as Libertarian and all too often it would seem they have confused Libertarian with libertine, in the light of the louche behaviour and sadly often lewd behaviour of their leadership clique and its immediate claque of paid supporters.

The unprofessionalism of UKIP is all too often seen in the manner in which these self serving clowns rig their own elections and their overt support for racism, anti homosexuality, anti Judaism, xenophobia and criminality all seemingly in the interest of self enrichment.

The selection process and appointments are all centrally controlled either by Nigel Farage or those he has employed or engineered into position thus it is clear where ‘The Buck Stops’.
Olly Neville was an openly de3clared Libertarian, in the true sense of extremist behaviour with a record for self publicity and outspoken stupidity. Yet due to UKIP’s utter unprofessionalism he was selected by the pretence for leadership within UKIP as chairman of their heavily controlled Yoof wing – a recipe for disaster.
Even in his own election statement was clear appare4nt advocacy of incest thinly masked as ‘only for debate’ yet due to lack of professionalism UKIP’s pretence at leadership failed to realise their folly and sanctioned his appointment.
Yes they have summarily dismissed him from his elected post but that has done little to prevent his name and his childish shock comments from being for ever linked to UKIP!
To QUOTE today’s Telegraph:

Former Ukip youth leader asks: What is wrong with necrophilia?

Olly Neville, who was the leader of Ukip’s youth wing until this month, defends sexual intercourse with dead bodies.

 Tim Walker. Edited by Richard Eden

7:28AM GMT 31 Jan 2013

Was David Cameron too kind when he described the United Kingdom Independence Party as being made up of “fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists”?

Olly Neville, who was the leader of Ukip’s youth wing until earlier this month, has written an article in praise of sexual intercourse with dead bodies. “What is wrong with necrophilia?” is the title of the piece, which he wrote for the Backbencher, a “libertarian” online magazine.

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What is wrong with Necrophilia?

Olly Neville January 29, 2013 9

What is wrong with Necrophilia?

In the first part of ‘What is wrong with’, I looked at the moral and practical justification (or lack thereof) for the current ban on consensual incest. Today, I take one murky step further into the realms of unpleasant sexual acts with a look at what is wrong with Necrophilia.Necrophilia does not have some of the ‘problems’ that incest faced. There is no real prospect of pregnancy or any of the issues related with that. However, it does face what is at first glance the larger issue that the person you are having sex with is dead, so can’t consent. One of the big arguments for incest was that it was consensual, so surely this barrier halts those with a corpse fetish dead in their tracks (excuse the pun).

This is in fact not necessarily the case; consent can be given. I’ll add a general caveat here despite the fact that those that wish to be offended/sickened won’t read and won’t care about it. Legalising necrophilia does not mean legalising having random sex with any corpse you want – just like legal sex doesn’t mean you can sleep with any person you want.

Consent can be given by the owner of the corpse. When someone dies they no longer can own property – they pass on their belongings to a person or persons of their choosing. Your body is another one of your belongings, clearly you own your body in life but as you can’t own it when you cease to exist, it, like all other possessions, is inherited by the person you specify. It becomes their corpse.

At the moment people allow their organs to be taken and transplanted on death, their bodies used for medical science. I see no problem in an individual donating or selling their body to a necrophiliac. But going further (which is where people will probably disagree with me) I believe that once you have given your body to someone it is theirs to do with as they wish. If they want to sell it on so be it. If a body is just another possession in that it can be owned like any other, and used like any other.

This, of course, can be avoided by having your inheritee sign a contract – probably with your lawyers – that they will do with your body as you require, as a condition on inheriting it and anything else. In most cases if you want your body buried or cremated your loved ones will do it, rather than have sex with it. But if you are truly distrusting, a contract can ease your fears.

So consensual necrophilia is possible, getting agreement from the person before death, or from the owner of a corpse who inherited it without being required to not sell it on. Of course necrophilia poses other problems such as diseases, but banning it for this reason opens up a can of worms in regard to whether you can ban things because the person doing it might hurt themselves. Having normal sex can cause disease, base jumping is likely to see you hurt. Necrophilia can be no more banned due to risk of disease than rugby can be banned due to risk of broken bones.

I would be interested to hear people’s views on whether a body can be treated as a possession. Despite many people’s attachment to their bodies and their natural squeamishness at the prospect of people having sex with a corpse, neither desiring a body not to be property, nor disgust at the implications makes it not so. Necrophilia is pretty disgusting a concept, which is why most people don’t do it, but here like in any case – as JS Mill said:

“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”

What is wrong with a voluntarily, consensual sexual coupling? What is wrong with Necrophilia?

To read the original half baked article CLICK HERE

Are we to believe that UKIP might professionalise and show a more mature and competent side in the future? Well sadly not as their lack of leadership and self indulgent stupidity has been a stock in trade for many years, hence there are very few informed individuals who take them remotely seriously and they pose their greatest threat; not as the dellusionally claim, to The Tories as in the next breath they claim to take votes from all parties alike (few as that may be!) but more realistically their crass antics and lack of any political gravitas does the most harm to The EUroSceptic movement and those who wish to Leave-The-EU.

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The Sickening Hypocriscy of UKIP’s Claims!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/01/2013

The Sickening Hypocricy of UKIP’s Claims!
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Mea Culpa
I apologise for my poor posting record recently but have spent almost all of the time from 09-Jan > 27-Jan in hospital.
Fortunately unrelated directly to my battle with cancer since Nov-1998, which at the moment seems won, as my full body CT Scan last Thursday was showing absolutely no sign of cancer for the first time in 14 years.
Details, for those seeking the encouragement of the story of my survival against horrendous odds, will be on my health blog shortly.
I shall be heavily plagiarising the works of others (with permission, where required) to infill such gaps as seem apposite over the next few days – including Team Junius.
Thanks for the many messages of get well and the incredible support given to Lee by friends whilst I was in hospital.

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The Sickening Hypocriscy of UKIP’s Claims of having any part in achieving a Referendum!

UKIP has been a spectacular failure in domestic politics for lack of leadership of any competence & lack of visible gravitas, as they function as a One Man Band in utterly unprofessional style for the gain of a small clique feeding from the troughs on the EU gravy train!

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The Prime Minister’s Speech Has Made Today a Victory for Ukip

Posted: 23/01/2013 10:58

Nigel Farage’s blog spin in Huffington Post:

English: Nigel Farage.

 

The very fact that we are talking about the possibility of Britain leaving the European Union is Ukip’s biggest victory to date.

Even five years ago the thought of this issue being even discussed was an anathema and it is a great triumph for the tens of thousands of Ukip members and supporters that they have, through calm and passionate arguments, put it on the nation’s agenda.

Today we heard the skeleton of the ‘Yes’ side’s argument: how the prime minister will lead a Yes vote. It will be a campaign based on the 1970s ‘Common Market’ argument where we are bombarded with views on how essential the single market is to this country. Just as people thought they were voting on a trade deal back in 1975 they will be told that the EU is beneficial to this country and our economy.

But we know the clear benefits to being an independent, global country active on the world stage. We understand the opportunities from rediscovering our links with the Commonwealth and not only slashing the regulations to allow our own economy to flourish but engaging in free and fair trade with those countries being left reliant on aid by the protectionist measures of the EU and other trade blocs.

If David Cameron had promised a free and fair In/Out referendum during this parliament I would have cheered him. But we haven’t been offered that. Cast Iron Dave – who has a track record on denying the people the chance to have their say – will instead ask the public to forget recent history and trust a manifesto pledge.

It is clear the prime minister has been forced by public opinion to offer a referendum but it is also clear that the renegotiation he speaks of will be little more than lip service. EU leaders have been clear in their warnings to the prime minister that there cannot be an a la carte EU and recently proposed changes can be done without a new Treaty. This denies Mr Cameron the negotiating position he is insisting he has.

They might let us catch herrings in the Solent but not much more.

As far as Ukip goes, claims that there is no longer a need for us are nonsense. The genie is out of the bottle: the fight for our country’s liberty starts today and we are more relevant than ever.

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Greg L-WHi, UKIP dishonestly seek credit for Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum but looking at the facts they have done little towards achieving one.

UKIP did claim to hold a petition once but the £250K of tax payers money for the cause was never accounted for, seemingly trousered by Farage, Lott, Croucher and possibly others as no petition was ever presented!

They did nothing in Britain to oppose The EU’s new constitution which was rebranded The Lisbon Treaty!

They have done much to help The EU refusing to assist in campaigning for an In/Out Referendum, opposing the hugely successful efforts of Nikki Sinclaire and her team which gathered over 1/4M signatures for a debate in The House of Commons and a back bench rebellion, largely the force behind Cameron’s efforts to fudge a referendum. As it stands the referendum promised is of little validity and zero integrity.

The codicils to Cameron’s promise render his promise of no value as an IN/OUT referendum merely a sop to the majority in Britain who actively wish to Leave-The-EU.

It is only recently that UKIP have started to realise the route out of The EU is via article 50, until now they have attacked anyone who have endeavoured to lay out or even discuss the facts.

UKIP have done much harm to the EUroSceptic cause, with overt support of racism, anti homosexuality and undeniable bullying and lies in efforts to defame those telling the truth.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

9 minutes ago (11:09)

Lets see how many MP’s you get at the next election. If it’s anything more than zero I’d be amazed.

14:25 on 28/01/2013

MESSAGE TO FARAGE : Your delusions are doomed for failure…..stop wasting your time, and ours.

12:53 on 29/01/2013

Message to jamcreton; You are off message !… The People want to leave Europe, They demand their say. Let them vote, freely and fairly…then we will see exactly who is “delusional”..

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Hi,

although the people want to Leave-The-EU unfortunately UKIP failed to take any part in gainiong a referendum and clearly have failed to command any gravitas in political terms, being dependent on one man as the performing monkey but bereft of any signs of an organ grinder.

At the moment it is clear that the vote would go against the interestys of the people as salaries and scams will come to play in a referendum and the people are woefully ill informed and are likely to succumb to the scare tacticst of the well funded pro EU lobby and scoundrels like Mandelson, Branson and many more act6ing in personal self interest.

A referendum to Leave-The-EU would be lost based on the lies, spin, propaganda and self interest of political scoundrels and their parasites.

The NO Campaign has a long way to go!

Be minded of Frederic Bastiat’s wise caveat:
“The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skilfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended “.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

To view the original of this article CLICK HERE.

Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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