“My gut feeling is that we’re going to get the Brexit that we fought for, and like your favourite old banger that you drove around and had wonderful picnics in and went to the seaside, it got you to where you wanted to go. But the day comes when you have to say goodbye to it and replace it, with a better model.”
Nathan Gill is not talking about a car, but about his own party.
As the party embarks on its third leadership contest in a year, UKIP’s MEP in Wales thinks that, unless the party can find a big issue to corral around like the Brexit negotiations, it could be curtains for its future.
Paul Nuttall, the party’s last leader, resigned after a dire general election performance which saw the party win no seats and, in Wales, saw UKIP lose all of its deposits in the 32 seats it contested.
Its share of the vote plunged too, from 13.6% in the 2015 general election to just 2%.
It didn’t always look like it was going to be this way.
Image caption Nathan Gill suggests that a UKIP without a cause to rally around may be like an “old banger”
Back in May 2016 UKIP formed a group in the assembly with seven AMs sitting in the Senedd.
The assumption held by many was that their assembly presence would serve as a springboard for the party to continue to build its presence in Wales.
So far, that has not happened.
Since the Senedd election two of their most high-profile members – Mr Gill and Mark Reckless – have gone independent, dwindling their assembly numbers to five.
UKIP also failed to take off at the Welsh council elections a month before the general election result, failing to win any seats.
David Rowlands, the UKIP AM for South Wales East and a long-standing member of the party, argues that the poor performance in June was not down to UKIP but the fact that the poll was like a “presidential” election.
“The reason that it looks so bad for ourselves is that we’ve hit such heights over the last few general elections,” he says.
But there had been internal disagreement over the party’s general election campaign, which focused on banning the burka as a key policy.
The issue fed into the question around what UKIP’s purpose is now, with its core policy – Brexit – being implemented by the UK government.
Mr Gill, who remains a UKIP MEP despite being an independent AM after falling out with Senedd group leader Neil Hamilton, says the reality was that there “was the one issue that united us, and that was leaving the EU”.
“The only way really that UKIP can continue, I think, is if we have that big picture, that big goal of what we need to achieve,” he says.
The MEP claims a “half-baked” Brexit could “reignite UKIP”.
Image caption David Rowlands denied there was an existential threat to the party
The new model Mr Gill refers to in his old banger analogy “may be a political movement, it may be a new party”.
It is important to remember that Mr Gill has had his own difficulties with UKIP in the last 12 months – having been threatened with expulsion by the ruling National Executive Committee over being both MEP and AM.
Meanwhile Mr Rowlands denies there is an existential threat to UKIP and says the party represents something others do not.
“What people don’t understand is, if someone should leave the UK Independence Party at the moment, which party would they go to to reflect their views?
“I’m dyed in the wool UKIP, but could I go somewhere else and feel comfortable that they care about this country in the way I care about the United Kingdom?”
He admits that some members have thought the job was done after the referendum.
“There was a feeling out there, and it was among a number of members of UKIP, that we’ve done the job that we came into being to do, we’ve got ourselves Brexit… therefore what is now the raison d’etre of the party?”
Mr Rowlands, however, says “large numbers” of members who felt that way are returning to UKIP because they fear the Brexit negotiations do not reflect what the British people voted for.
Unlike Mr Gill, Mr Rowlands said he had been comfortable with the burka ban policy.
“I think the burka is an appalling garment… to me its a symbol of oppression of women”, he says.
Image caption Anne Marie Waters is one of the 11 hoping to be candidates for leadership of the party
There are now 11 hopefuls who have registered an interest in taking over the party. They face a vetting process that is currently pegged to end this Friday, with voting due in September.
One of people thought to be a frontrunner is Anne Marie Waters – who has been vocal in her opposition to Islam.
There is talk of UKIP MEPs resigning if she won.
Mr Gill has been reluctant to say very much about the leadership campaign – he is not publicly backing a candidate.
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congratulations to Nikki Sinclaire’s campaign YET AGAIN.
Today Nikki Sinclaire’s campaign for a Referendum and the belief that when it comes to surrendering our Governance to a foreign and very alien power the slogan must be ‘Let The People decide’.
Nikki Sinclaire has already obtained 100,000 signatures to her petition and forced HM Government to hold a full debate on Britain’s status and possible withdrawl from the EU.
Now again her campaign to ‘Let The People Decide’ has obtained a further DIFFERENT new 100,000 signatures which will be handed in at Downing Street on Thursday where together with Katie Hopkins who is to be a front runner in Nikki Sinclaire’s campaign other political names will be joining them in support of the new poll which I believe she commissioned.
The Sun features this on page 6 today in the editions seen to date – let us hope it is picked up by the daily papers to force a Government Referendum of the people to show we live in a democracy rather than an EU supra National centralised committee dictatorship as we all now know from the polls that 6 out of every 10 adults in Britain want a referendum on IN or OUT of The EU.
It is then up to all of us to ensure the question and the campaigning is fair, honest and on a level playing field as we are, it seems, all agreed by a majority of 71% that we can NOT trust the politicians on issues of The EU.
Petition … TV’s Katie Hopkins
BBC
Six out of 10 demand vote on staying in EU
By DAVID WOODING, Associate Political Editor
Published: 9 hrs ago
THE Campaign for a Referendum on Britain’s EU membership was given a double boost yesterday.
A poll showed growing support for a national vote on the issue.
And 100,000 people signed a petition backing the call. It echoes growing frustration with more and more powers being handed over to Brussels.
Six out of ten adults said they would welcome a chance to decide whether we quit Europe.
This is twice the number opposed to a straight in-out referendum. Voters have also lost faith in politicians to work for our best interests in Europe.
About 71 per cent don’t trust MEPs to put our country first, according to the YouGov poll. It compares with 23 per cent who have any trust in our politicians.
An overwhelming 56 per cent want the chance to vote on whether we stay in or pull out of Europe, while 28 per cent don’t.The Campaign for a Referendum will march on Downing Street this week with 100,000 signatures demanding a vote.
Katie Hopkins, star of TV’s The Apprentice, will join MEP Nikki Sinclaire and the delegation handing over the petition. Nikki said: “Isn’t it about time that we let the people decide?”
There is also a portion of the editorial in The Sun which is dedicated to the campaign:
Congratulations to Nikki Sinclaire and her team who have worked steadily towards this goal despite the vile behaviour of UKIP with their proven lies and undeniable abuse of her efforts – most probably brought about by the fact that UKIP leadership have NEVER managed to organise anything of consequence in 20 years that wortk to Leave-The-EU and are clearly acting in self interest towards self enrichment at the expense of and greatly damaging the EU EUroSceptic movement with their corruption, fraud, thefts, lies and playground bullying and criminal abuse of anyone who dares to expose their corruption and self serving behaviour!
Welcome to Katie Hopkins who looks as if she will prove a massive asset to the campaign.
Now we must step up the education of the people to make them aware of just how hugely better off these United Kingdoms and our peoples will be when we Leave-The-EU – and wer must be prepared for a huge amount of hard work to obtain our liberty – the struggle will not be easy as we will have to unseat a veritable army of free loaders feeding at the troughs on the gravy train at the expense of our Country and OUR taxes.
Never forget THEY WORK FOR YOU and if they all worked as hard as Nikki Sinclaire we would not be in the dire economic situation we now are entraped as vassals of The EU!
Here are the outline facts of one of Nikki Sinclaire’s other fights for justice for her constituents CLICK HERE she is not JUST actively campaigning across Britain for a Referendum on IN/OUT of The EU there seem to be many other causes she is working for – UKIP as a party seems only to ever make an effort to get themselves elected and then does little.
OK to be fair UKIP did have a tent at Usk show yesterday and David Rowlands and a couple of rather bored looking helpers were there on every occasion I passed the tent (several) there was never more than on member of the public who had been collared but UKIP has made very little impact in Wales and is virtually runner up to Scotland for its failure to have an impact and one never hears of John bufton in the public eye and frankly some of its councillors are hugely more harm to UKIP than they are a benefit ill mannered, odious self important bnere do wells like Kevin Mahoney whose abusive behaviour is noted on public forums – just who else is there of any note? As I recall they only have 3 elected councillors in the whole of Wales an Zero members of The National Ass and an MEP who pops up in Brussels occasionally gabbling away listened to and reported by nobody it seems!