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Archive for August 7th, 2012

‘Prober’ is likely to be defamed by UKIP’s Toxic Claque

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/08/2012

‘Prober’ is likely to be defamed by UKIP’s Toxic Claque

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

‘Prober’ is likely to be defamed by UKIP’s Toxic Claque!
I expect he works for MI5 or MI6 or is funded by The EU or The Tory Party & how much is he being paid – We should be told!

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such a pity that ‘Prober’ lacked the conviction or perhaps self confidence to put his name to the very clear and largely spot on accurate posting he has made, on Anthony Butcher’s corrupt little UKIP controlled forum – where any lie is accepted from the UKIP gutter snipes with their faux pretence of manners as they sneer and snipe, whilst themselves all too often too cowardly and ashamed to put their names to their vile comments and duplicitous distortions.
You can hear it all lined up:
He works for MI5 or The CIA or The EU and no one would tell the truth unless they were paid, and any other vile distortion from the underbelly of politics that we have heard time and again, so damagingly for UKIP, from its odious claque.
No – whatever the pond life from UKIP comes out with it is clear they can not reasonably with any intelligent presentation or intellectual gravitas refute or even put a sound point of view to counter ‘Prober’s’ statements of irrefutable fact.
UKIP has a broad “out ” aim but seems to have no strategy or pathway or campaign aims and no real strategic measures of success of stepping stones to achieving “out”.
For example it rates gaining more MEPs as a major success achievement but has never had any plan to focus the time resources and £ of MEPs to actually do anything to further ” out” ( Hence most MEPs being engaged in irrelevant displacement activity and Marta fiddling on committees in Brussels, with UKIP’s Brussels success ticked off as achieved by winding up Gollum in Brussels) .
So getting more MEPs doesnt necessarily mean ANY advance in success in achieving “out” ( even if UKIP won all MEP seats and the mega £ that goes with it )

Winning local authority seats is rated as success but UKIP has no idea what it wants to do in those seats either to advance “out” or advance a domestic political aim.

Getting a higher % vote is rated as success and the publicity that goes with it but that is only a success if it puts fear in other parties to stop them doing things to advance the EU cause .

UKIP has no MP failure targetted pressure/publicity strategy focussed on key stages ( eg EU budget or parliament nodding through more EU legislation ) to install such fear.
Is there any evidence that UKIP has influenced ANY of Cameron’s Europhile decisions ? If so UKIPs web site would be crowing about it not just moaning about whats going on.

Scoring higher % potentially puts fear into Europhile MPs that UKIP will target and embarrass them for their remaining term in office and install realisation in Tory branches that UKIP is going to lose them their seat at the next election unless they select a EU sceptic Tory candidate .

UKIP has no such “make life miserable” targeting .

Very small parties like SWP achieve influence by infiltration into other other parties .

UKIP has no infiltration strategy.

A success aim would be a high level of public understanding and approval of

a) What EU does and why EU is bad for their pockets and health
b) the legal pathway to a referendum on out and legislation to achieve out
c) A vision for and how UK would operate successfully politically economically and in trade after achieving out
d) A vision of what a new “progressive” EU would look like after return of powers to national democracy
e) What UKIP’s role would be after “out”. UKIP does none of these education things ( and historically says public education is not its job even to the extent it cant be bothered to design it own schools pack to replace the EU one )

At present press talk is of Farage offering not to put up candidates to oppose EU sceptic candidates but except for very few, Tory EU sceptic MPs have always rolled over when the whips say “jump” so having neutralised itself how does this strategically advance UKIP’s aim of “out” ? (Cameron wont allow joint candidates)

The effect of UKIP standing in all seats at a general election under its classic hand off statement of  “all other parties are just the same ” will be Labour winning the general election with its Europhile candidates not exposed or threatened by UKIP.

Fair enough but whats the strategic plan in all this to further the cause of “out” with Labour winning ?
How will it make more likely Labour will commit to a referendum ?
For example there is major opportunity to challenge the anti democracy position of the Europhile anti UKIP bigoted far left in Labour and make the case of national democracy being consistent with patriotic democratic socialist principles and work and family based values.

UKIP seems more a lazy sham party with members as lemmings following the leader wherever he points, with phony yardsticks of success , riding on macro events in its favour which give it a phony approval rating as the only protest vote party of significance , and actually deliberately detached from what is really needed to make a political impact .

So whats UKIP’s real aim ?

To destroy and replace the Tory Party ?
To that UKIP will really have to get serious .
To keep NF as leader doing his thing and having a wonderful time unchallenged as long as poss ?
To get the Tory party to offer NF a safe seat as MP to neutralise UKIP ?
To put enough fear and pressure on the Tory Party to ditch Cameron turn round and do the right thing …. again UKIP will really have to start to get serious … especially on infiltration.

An alternative out route would be to build a Pan Europe “out” movement electing “out” MEPs to achieve change from within .

NF seems to want this but cant carry his party with him.

UKIP, whilst claiming “most people agree with us” has never tried to connect with the public as a domestic party ( hence disastrous results at Buckingham and in London) or as a Respect route protest vote party, and thus has no prospect of winning an MP seat.

Hence the route to “success” will be achieving like minded MPs being elected in Labour & Tory parties. ( Lib Dems being totally opposed to national sovereign democracy )

In summary therefore other than ” existing because it exists” and congratulating itself on “success” whats UKIP for ? and what is its pathway and strategic plan to achieve it ?

To view the original article CLICK HERE
All on a thread titled ‘What Do UKIP Stand For’ I submit one only needs to read the postings of the UKIP leadership supporters on that very thread to realise!
UKIP stands for the very worst form of gutter politics, playground level bullying, corruption and dishonesty – based largely upon the self interests of a small clique of self serving, self enriching low lifes who are defended by a claque of cowardly, dishonest wannabes funded from  or encouraged by the riches of The Gravy Train, which are in the gift of Nigel Farage.
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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians,  and Snivil Cervants having conveniently forgotten that they are our servants and not our masters as taxation has inexorably climbed to fund their ambitions and the value of money has diminished as the publish ever more to cover-up their incompetences all enforced by the new style self serving and politicised enforcers The Police aided by increasingly corrupted Courts.

Astonishingly this odious betrayal of OUR Country and its values is aided and colluded in by the MSM as entertainment so readily plunges ever further to the gutter creating people who become famous for the size of their rewards and their notoriety as ‘celebs’!.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, as even if ALL Britain’s MEPs agreed and were of one party they amount to less than 8% of the input and a miniscule proportion of decision making!

Clearly The EU is set up to ensure its very size and diversity ensures democracy is self cancelling and ever more power falls into the hands of the unelected self styled and utterly corrup elite – None of whom have one iota of democratic mandate to back their corrupt social engineering and EUgenics.

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Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In over 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that goal, despite their claimed unanimity of aim!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country, Anglosphere and indeed planet which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Self evidently ‘The Harrogate Agenda‘ may not be the answer but that men and women are responsibly striving to create a better system for a better world deserves all the help we can give it whether with ideas, participation or merely our support.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

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Not just Cameron who is faced by a Challenge!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/08/2012

Not just Cameron who is faced by a Challenge!
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Not just Cameron who is faced by a Challenge!
It seems Nigel Farage who controls UKIP & the pan EU political group of The EFD would seem to be faced by his very own challenge!!

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with the resignation of Louise Mensch from the Tory Party in Corby & East Northants just a few hours ago comes a clear challenge for UKIP’s leadership
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One is forced to wonder whether Nigel Farage will be as lax in responding to the challenge this has given rise to, as Cameron has been in responding to the challenge from The Farage Party over a debate and possibly for the very same reasons – Farage probably believes that Alan Hardy is irrelevant and going nowhere.
Here is Alan Hardy’s not unreasonable and clear challenge – which I might add is not without fairly general support, in loose terms and principle, amongst the more active and brighter supporters of UKIP – though the small army in the UKIP leadership claque, funded by the largess in the gift of Farage as many are, may well see their route to the gravy train challenged!

Dear Mr Farage,
 
You will by now have heard that the above member of parliament has applied for the Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds. This, of course, paves the way for a by-election.
 
We have all heard your recent boast that UKIP has overtaken the Lib-Dems to become the third most popular political party. According to you, it seems, UKIP is riding high in the polls and, presumably, it is just a matter of time before we have representation in the House of Commons under your leadership. No doubt UKIP will be fielding a candidate in the forthcoming by-election with high expectation of, at long last, make its presence felt and, in so doing, vindicating you.
 
Now it is no secret that you and your sycophants (Crowther, Greaves, Duffy, Parkin to name but a few) would, inter alia, dance a jig if I left the UKIP. I, on the other hand, am remaining a member against the day when it has leadership worthy of support and respect. Well I have a proposition for you: If the UKIP candidate in the above by-election comes within 5,000 votes of the winner then I will resign my membership. If, however, he/she does not, then you resign your post as party leader. 
 
I look forward to your reply.
 
REGARDS
 
ALAN HARDY

Indeed the Corby & East Northants seat could well be the perfect proving ground to judge by the lies and duplicity of the low life traitor UKIP has for an MEP in the region – Derek Clark!Let us also remember they have a very highly paid Regional Organiser who boasted of his net salary of £800 a week when hauled before the Courts for utter irresponsibility as a drunk driver – one would think a taxi driver would know better than to behave thus!

At least organisation would be no problem! It is also in one of UKIP’s star regions as it was, almost electing 3 MEPs in 2004, though with Derek Clark & Ron Ransom milking the gravy train for all it was worth the membership has somewhat collapsed, and of course Clark was found guilty of defrauding the public purse and ordered to repay the money he had taken which may well not help.
Ransome will have course have all the time in the world on his hands to Organise Regionally and in Corby & Northants specifically with Derek Clark currently away on one of his long holidays and no longer being on The Regional Committee having stompped off in a huff with both his wife and Derek Clark in contempt of UKIP electorate and belief in democracy being unable to explain their corruption, dishonesty, lies and defamatory comments it seems!
However am I not right that there is a worthy contender for the seat in the guise of a chap who lays claim to being ex Military, a barrister by training, though I understand his bankruptcy precludes him from plying his trade! His connections are, I am reliably informed, impeccable with a Baronett for a son in law and a thriving bed and breakfast business on his estate!
With all these choices open for UKIP to clearly see Farage put our money where his mouth is we can but hope he rises to the challenge.
This could possibly be the springboard to Government for Nigel Farage – not licking the boots of the Tories as some makeweight junior partner bought off with an easy seat, but in his own right, via contesting Chris Huhne’s seat in Eastleigh – for many will remember the speed and alacrity with which Farage stepped up to the plate to denounce Huhne in the first place!
At least Alan Hardy delivers his own challenges on ground he prepared, unlike Farage following in the footsteps of Nikki Sinclaire’s challenge to Downing Street with 100,000+ signatures, that forced a full scale debate in Parliament, on the issue of Leaving-The-EU – she even attended the delivery in her own ‘Ad-van’ a style emulated by Farage though Farage failed to present with cross party support and various MPs!
The Corby & East Northants by election could just be the springboard to turn UKIP fortunes around from being utterly irrelevant to being of some significance for let’s face it a vaulte face would not be out of character when you consider how clearly the Farage Party denounced The Olympics yet how vociferously they now ride on the coattails of success – Will we shortly see Farage selling out UKIP for his own rewards and actively campaigning for Boris Johnson as his new leader!!
We understand that Paul Nuttall is standing in the wings ready to do a knife job on Farage the second he feels he could get away with it and it is for this reason he has been criss crossing the country willing to attend the opening of an envelope to garner popularity with the mass of dullards and politically infantile new supporters of The Farage Party – Particularly if the testament of Jasna Badzak exposing Gerard Batten is, as it seems, founded in veracity as she attests.
Batten might at one time have hoodwinked some that he might have been a contender but his association with criminals, the extremists and his efforts to incite racial hatred as shown by his anti Islamic tracts indicate must surely preclude anyone of any moral fiber supporting his though he can count on support of those without morality or ethics, particularly amongst UKIP MEPs and leadership clique and its claque.
Let us see if Farage will respond positively & rapidly to the challenge or lay himself open to the sneering and posturing we have seen him mete out to David Cameron for not jumping when he clicks his fingers!It is interesting to see The Guardian treading its usual billious line for the left, and rubbing salt in the Tory wounds at the loss of Louise Mensch – when they were giving it large a day or two ago, selectively promoting UKIP as a popular partner for the Tories!

Hardly, when one sees their risible results in British domestic elections, as they are hardly relevant, with less than 30 seats of any consequence, elected out of some 19,500 available and let us accept that many of those elected are more of a liability than a benefit to UKIP!

Realistically they are of no meaningful consequence politically other than an EU protest vote where they achived their route to corruption by the orchestration of the farce of Nigel Farage’ own personal Reichstag Fire moment followed by a faux Crystel Nacht aided by the odious Mark Thatcher and others of similar ilk as they built up The BNP to two seats in The EU and defamed and denigrated to gain stature at the expense of decent men and women – including Tories of some note.

As it is realised that the route ahead to Leave-The-EU is via Article 50 UKIP’s role will become less and less significant and more obviously so as even after 20 years UKIP has no clear exit and survival strategy and clearly little understanding of the complexities of revoking The ECA or 1972 and the subsequent difficulties – Their only defence being to defame and denigrate those who have some understanding of the matter – not to enhance UKIP’s position towards a concept of Leave-The-EU but in some idiotic self interest sold to their willing dupes to ensure Farage and his cliques well being and self enrichment it would seem..

Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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