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‘Prober’ is likely to be defamed by UKIP’s Toxic Claque

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/08/2012

‘Prober’ is likely to be defamed by UKIP’s Toxic Claque

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

‘Prober’ is likely to be defamed by UKIP’s Toxic Claque!
I expect he works for MI5 or MI6 or is funded by The EU or The Tory Party & how much is he being paid – We should be told!

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Hi,
such a pity that ‘Prober’ lacked the conviction or perhaps self confidence to put his name to the very clear and largely spot on accurate posting he has made, on Anthony Butcher’s corrupt little UKIP controlled forum – where any lie is accepted from the UKIP gutter snipes with their faux pretence of manners as they sneer and snipe, whilst themselves all too often too cowardly and ashamed to put their names to their vile comments and duplicitous distortions.
You can hear it all lined up:
He works for MI5 or The CIA or The EU and no one would tell the truth unless they were paid, and any other vile distortion from the underbelly of politics that we have heard time and again, so damagingly for UKIP, from its odious claque.
No – whatever the pond life from UKIP comes out with it is clear they can not reasonably with any intelligent presentation or intellectual gravitas refute or even put a sound point of view to counter ‘Prober’s’ statements of irrefutable fact.
UKIP has a broad “out ” aim but seems to have no strategy or pathway or campaign aims and no real strategic measures of success of stepping stones to achieving “out”.
For example it rates gaining more MEPs as a major success achievement but has never had any plan to focus the time resources and £ of MEPs to actually do anything to further ” out” ( Hence most MEPs being engaged in irrelevant displacement activity and Marta fiddling on committees in Brussels, with UKIP’s Brussels success ticked off as achieved by winding up Gollum in Brussels) .
So getting more MEPs doesnt necessarily mean ANY advance in success in achieving “out” ( even if UKIP won all MEP seats and the mega £ that goes with it )

Winning local authority seats is rated as success but UKIP has no idea what it wants to do in those seats either to advance “out” or advance a domestic political aim.

Getting a higher % vote is rated as success and the publicity that goes with it but that is only a success if it puts fear in other parties to stop them doing things to advance the EU cause .

UKIP has no MP failure targetted pressure/publicity strategy focussed on key stages ( eg EU budget or parliament nodding through more EU legislation ) to install such fear.
Is there any evidence that UKIP has influenced ANY of Cameron’s Europhile decisions ? If so UKIPs web site would be crowing about it not just moaning about whats going on.

Scoring higher % potentially puts fear into Europhile MPs that UKIP will target and embarrass them for their remaining term in office and install realisation in Tory branches that UKIP is going to lose them their seat at the next election unless they select a EU sceptic Tory candidate .

UKIP has no such “make life miserable” targeting .

Very small parties like SWP achieve influence by infiltration into other other parties .

UKIP has no infiltration strategy.

A success aim would be a high level of public understanding and approval of

a) What EU does and why EU is bad for their pockets and health
b) the legal pathway to a referendum on out and legislation to achieve out
c) A vision for and how UK would operate successfully politically economically and in trade after achieving out
d) A vision of what a new “progressive” EU would look like after return of powers to national democracy
e) What UKIP’s role would be after “out”. UKIP does none of these education things ( and historically says public education is not its job even to the extent it cant be bothered to design it own schools pack to replace the EU one )

At present press talk is of Farage offering not to put up candidates to oppose EU sceptic candidates but except for very few, Tory EU sceptic MPs have always rolled over when the whips say “jump” so having neutralised itself how does this strategically advance UKIP’s aim of “out” ? (Cameron wont allow joint candidates)

The effect of UKIP standing in all seats at a general election under its classic hand off statement of  “all other parties are just the same ” will be Labour winning the general election with its Europhile candidates not exposed or threatened by UKIP.

Fair enough but whats the strategic plan in all this to further the cause of “out” with Labour winning ?
How will it make more likely Labour will commit to a referendum ?
For example there is major opportunity to challenge the anti democracy position of the Europhile anti UKIP bigoted far left in Labour and make the case of national democracy being consistent with patriotic democratic socialist principles and work and family based values.

UKIP seems more a lazy sham party with members as lemmings following the leader wherever he points, with phony yardsticks of success , riding on macro events in its favour which give it a phony approval rating as the only protest vote party of significance , and actually deliberately detached from what is really needed to make a political impact .

So whats UKIP’s real aim ?

To destroy and replace the Tory Party ?
To that UKIP will really have to get serious .
To keep NF as leader doing his thing and having a wonderful time unchallenged as long as poss ?
To get the Tory party to offer NF a safe seat as MP to neutralise UKIP ?
To put enough fear and pressure on the Tory Party to ditch Cameron turn round and do the right thing …. again UKIP will really have to start to get serious … especially on infiltration.

An alternative out route would be to build a Pan Europe “out” movement electing “out” MEPs to achieve change from within .

NF seems to want this but cant carry his party with him.

UKIP, whilst claiming “most people agree with us” has never tried to connect with the public as a domestic party ( hence disastrous results at Buckingham and in London) or as a Respect route protest vote party, and thus has no prospect of winning an MP seat.

Hence the route to “success” will be achieving like minded MPs being elected in Labour & Tory parties. ( Lib Dems being totally opposed to national sovereign democracy )

In summary therefore other than ” existing because it exists” and congratulating itself on “success” whats UKIP for ? and what is its pathway and strategic plan to achieve it ?

To view the original article CLICK HERE
All on a thread titled ‘What Do UKIP Stand For’ I submit one only needs to read the postings of the UKIP leadership supporters on that very thread to realise!
UKIP stands for the very worst form of gutter politics, playground level bullying, corruption and dishonesty – based largely upon the self interests of a small clique of self serving, self enriching low lifes who are defended by a claque of cowardly, dishonest wannabes funded from  or encouraged by the riches of The Gravy Train, which are in the gift of Nigel Farage.
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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians,  and Snivil Cervants having conveniently forgotten that they are our servants and not our masters as taxation has inexorably climbed to fund their ambitions and the value of money has diminished as the publish ever more to cover-up their incompetences all enforced by the new style self serving and politicised enforcers The Police aided by increasingly corrupted Courts.

Astonishingly this odious betrayal of OUR Country and its values is aided and colluded in by the MSM as entertainment so readily plunges ever further to the gutter creating people who become famous for the size of their rewards and their notoriety as ‘celebs’!.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING, as even if ALL Britain’s MEPs agreed and were of one party they amount to less than 8% of the input and a miniscule proportion of decision making!

Clearly The EU is set up to ensure its very size and diversity ensures democracy is self cancelling and ever more power falls into the hands of the unelected self styled and utterly corrup elite – None of whom have one iota of democratic mandate to back their corrupt social engineering and EUgenics.

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Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In over 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING towards that goal, despite their claimed unanimity of aim!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country, Anglosphere and indeed planet which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Self evidently ‘The Harrogate Agenda‘ may not be the answer but that men and women are responsibly striving to create a better system for a better world deserves all the help we can give it whether with ideas, participation or merely our support.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning to Leave-The-EU for these United Kingdoms and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country & minded that membership of The EU is sucking out the life blood and identity of our Country in a counter patriotic manner and at a cost in hard cash of some £53 Million a day we must consider:

Denying the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs and the no longer relevant MPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour.

Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples by the peoples of our Country.

It is time that the entire mechanism of governance in these United Kingdoms, which has so clearly failed our Country and our peoples, was radically overhauled and updated to democratic status – failure to change will mean when we Leave-The-EU and/or it finally collapses, as it surely will, we will be no better off as the self same self styled, self enriching clique will be all too willing to betray us as they have done relative to The EU and its fore runners.

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