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Gerard Batten Embroils UKIP in his anti Jewish anti Islamic Bigotry

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/02/2014

Gerard Batten Embroils UKIP in his anti Jewish anti Islamic Bigotry
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Gerard Batten Embroils UKIP in his anti Jewish & anti Islamic Bigotry!
A bigotry which Nigel Farage seeks implausibly to disown!

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I find it is not just the overt apparent incitement to racial hatred that is both manifest and troubling in the odious style of his glib denunciation of the values and superstitions of others when based merely on his own bigoted and fascist style upheld by his own superstitions.

That much of his view point is a part of the inadequacies and fear of those sharing his views who are endemic in large areas of UKIP.

Be minded that although it was Farage who founded and leads the odious anti Jewish, anti Islamic, anti homosexual, racist, violent and extremist EFD Group to which both Nigel Farage & Gerard Batten are devout adherents and have, with others, prostituted the supposed, nay claimed, values and aims of UKIP – for their personal gain and interest!

Ukip MEP who supported Muslim code of conduct urged halal slaughter ban

Gerard Batten wrote paper sent to members of Christian group saying religious slaughter of animals should be outlawed
Gerard Batten Ukip MEP

Ukip MEP Gerard Batten in action in Strasbourg. Photograph: Jean-Marc Loos/Reuters/Corbis

A Ukip MEP who is under fire over his remarks about Islam also suggested banning halal and kosher slaughter of animals and outlawing the legal recognition of Islamic banking.

In 2011 Gerard Batten was the author of a four-page paper entitled “Confidential draft – Dismantling Multiculturalism”, which was billed as a policy discussion document with “suggested policies that could be adopted by political parties and governments”.

It was sent to members of Christian Concern, a group that believes that abortion should be illegal and homosexuality is a sin. Batten said he held a meeting with them and sent a document to some of their members.

The paper claims that multiculturalism has failed and offers a doom-laden warning about the threat of radical Muslims. “Islamic fundamentalism is the cuckoo in the western multicultural nest. We can either address it now or be destroyed by it in the course of time,” he wrote.

A future government should also ban the religious slaughter of animals, he suggests. “Repeal the act of parliament that gives exception for ritual slaughter for religious reasons. These are outmoded and barbaric practices that have no place in the 21st century or in the light of humane animal welfare policies,” he wrote.

Batten also suggested that Ukip might consider dropping any laws that recognise Islamic banking: “Repeal the Act (???) that gives official recognition to Islamic banking.” There are no references to Islamic finance in UK legislation, according to the Treasury.

On Tuesday, the Guardian reported that Batten supported the creation of a code of conduct for British Muslims and argued for a ban on new mosques in Britain. Batten is an MEP representing London, and is top of the party’s list for the city in the elections in May.

On Wednesday, before details of Batten’s latest policy position emerged, the Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, was forced to disown the London MEP’s call for a “charter of Muslim understanding”.

Farage said: “This was a private publication from Gerard Batten in 2006 and its contents are not and never have been Ukip policy. No such policy proposals would have been accepted by Ukip in any case. Ukip believes in treating people equally.”

The party is keen to shake off its image as a disparate group of eccentrics and to approach May’s European elections as a serious electoral force.

David Cameron described them as “a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists”. Batten described the 2011 document as an “off-the-top-of-my-head draft of a document which was for a policy discussion which so far has never been published”. He said it was “a rough draft which I would like to publish in due course but it’s not one of my priorities at the moment. You can’t hold me to anything in it.”

He declined to say whether he supported banning religious slaughter, but added that he made those suggestions to ensure they had a lively discussion. “If you put a few off the wall things down it makes the conversation interesting, doesn’t it?” he said. In the paper, under the heading “Policy suggestions”, Batten also wrote that the government should consider dropping the display of languages such as Hindi, Urdu or Polish from public institutions.

“There must be one language used in national and political institutions and publicly funded places (excluding historical differences such a Welsh in Wales or Gaelic in Scotland). In England only English must be displayed in public buildings such as local and national government offices, universities, colleges, schools, hospitals, clinics etc” he wrote.

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You will note that Nigel Farage’s comment above is palpable self serving drivel as clearly shown CLICK HEREIf you wish to pursue more details on this subject you might care to search this blog

& also CLICK HERE

You will, I am sure be fascinated by the further revalations scheduled based upon the overt racism of Gerard Batten, Nigel Farage and others in UKIP’s leadership clique and its odious and self serving claque.Much further detail can also be garnered by following my TWITTER account and even perhaps were you to CLICK HERE

You may find the full terms of dismantling Multiculturalism that follows u8npleasant and unwise, your own judgement is imperative if we are to understand the following of Farage’s Cult:

Gerard Batten MEP
CONFIDENTIAL
DRAFT
Dismantling Multiculturalism
Policy Discussion Document
10th February 2011
Multiculturalism has failed
Multiculturalism depends on the proposition that all cultures, cultural beliefs, customs and practices are equally valid. Mass immigration into many western countries for the last forty years or more has brought with it some cultures and cultural practices that are alien to western cultures and liberal, democratic political systems. Instead of taking a robust attitude against these alien practices western countries have mostly adopted an attitude of appeasement and cultural relativism. Western Governments have been terrified of criticising or standing up against these practices for fear of being branded ‘racist’ or ‘Islamaphobic’.
Most European and Western countries are multi-ethnic societies and is no reason why people of difference racial and ethnic origins cannot live together peacefully; but to do so requires emphasising those things we have in common rather than those things that separate us.  It requires that all citizens living in a given state have broadly the same allegiance, loyalty and belief in a common set of public and political institutions and the acceptance of one legal system. Multiculturalism does precisely the opposite: it creates different and competing groups within one public and political space and is a recipe for division and conflict.
Many European and Western countries have adopted a policy of state-sponsored multiculturalism, designed to preserve and enshrine the beliefs and cultural practices of migrants and to protect and advance them by law and public subsidy. The objective was that the policy of multiculturalism would help absorb and integrate vast waves of migrants from foreign lands. In that it has conspicuously failed – as now has been publicly attested by figures such as Trevor Philips Head of the Race Relations Commission, President Angela Merkel of Germany, President Sarkosy of France, and latterly Prime Minister David Cameron of the UK, to name just four.
However from the point of view of those groups that use multiculturalism to promote their own separate interests it has and is succeeding and they have a vested interest in seeing it continue.
Private Multiculturalism Good: Public Multiculturalism Bad.
A clear distinction must be drawn between private and public multiculturalism. The private practice of religious and cultural beliefs, customs and traditions should be precisely that – private. We can all enjoy the private practice of different cultures and beliefs and share them with our friends and neighbours. That is a good and positive thing that can help bring people together.
The public policy of state-sponsored multiculturalism is quite another thing and it has created an increasingly more fractured, divided, contentious and uneasy societies. It cannot go unsaid that the biggest beneficiaries of this public policy of multiculturalism are Islamic fundamentalist and extremists who use it to extend their own power and influence in order to bring about their long term goal of an Islamic or Islamic dominated state in each one of those countries where they settle. Multiculturalism also undermines those moderate Muslims who wish to embrace Western values but see power and influence being extended to their extremist co-religionists.
Islamic fundamentalism is the cuckoo in the Western multicultural nest. We can either address it now or be destroyed by it in the course of time.
Dismantling Multiculturalism
This short paper is not a detailed history, analysis and critique of multiculturalism and its failure. It is taken as a given that it has failed and has to be dismantled. The points below are suggested policies that could be adopted by political parties and governments of any political colour and in any country in the world that wishes to preserve and promote common western liberal democratic values. The points below are specifically aimed at Britain but can adapted as required.
Policy Suggestions
  1. Recognise that Christianity is the cultural heritage of Britain and affirm the secular nature of government and public institutions. This should be recognised by an exception for the Church of England as the historically established church but bishops should be removed from their positions in the House of Lords and the Monarch should lose the power (exercised through the Prime Minister) to appoint the Archbishop of Canterbury.
  1. A commitment to end the policy of state-sponsored and funded multiculturalism by local and national government.
  1. A commitment to promote a common public culture, expressed in a common language (excluding existing historic regional differences), one legal system and one set of political institutions – none other should be formally recognised by the state.
  1. There must be equal application of the law. There can be no separation of people based on religious practices in public places, e.g. in swimming pools and hospital chapels.
  1. There must be one language used in national and political institutions and publicly funded places (excluding historical differences such a Welsh in Wales or Gaelic in Scotland). InEngland only English must be displayed in public buildings such as local and national government offices, universities, colleges, schools, hospitals, clinics etc.
  1. Repeal the Act of Parliament that recognises Sharia law in some tribunals, (e.g. for family law, child custody, inheritance etc). Sharia law must be given no official recognition or legal status whatsoever.
  1. Repeal the Act (???) that gives official recognition to Islamic Banking. There must be no financial or banking regulations based on religious law.
  1. Repeal those Acts (???) which give recognition to polygamous marriage for tax or social security and benefits purposes. There must be no official or legal recognition of polygamous marriages.
  1. Stop all government funding to organisations that promote religious fundamentalist or extremist views, e.g. the Muslim Council of Britain, the Quilliam Foundation, the Union of Imams & Mosques in the UK and Ireland etc. Any organisation that requests public funding must be required to sign and actively abide by a Code of Conduct (see Appendix I).
  1. Social Security and benefits payments can only be claimed in English where the recipient has been living in the UK for 12 months or more. For those who have entered the UK and do not speak English subsidised English classes must be made available.
  1. No granting of planning permission to religious organisations that: do not abide by and actively practice a Code of Conduct (see Appendix I); are funded from outside the UK  unless they have a special dispensation from the Home Secretary, such dispensations should discretionary and will only granted where it can clearly be shown where the money originates from, and where it can be demonstrated that it is not from extremist sources, or is intended to promote religious fundamentalist or extremist views.
  1. Repeal the Religious Hatred Act (???). The promotion of hatred or violence against individuals or groups is catered for under the normal criminal law. No religious belief system or ideology may be protected from criticism by law.
  1. Ensure that the law on forced marriages and female genital mutilation is rigorously enforced.
  1. Religious schools should only be allowed where they can sign and show actively to abide by a Code of Conduct (see Appendix I). 
  1. Repeal the Act of Parliament that gives exception for ritual slaughter for religious reasons. These are outmoded and barbaric practices that have no place in the 21st century or n the light of humane animal welfare policies.
  1. Something on the funding of universities???
  1. Enact a law of face coverings in public places. (see Appendix II)
END
Appendix I
Code of Conduct
To be added as per existing ‘Affirmation’
Appendix II
Face Coverings Policy
To be added later a per existing ‘burka and face coverings policy’.
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Farage’s Desperate & Implausible Efforts to Distance Himself from Batten

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/02/2014

Farage’s Desperate & Implausible Efforts to Distance Himself from Batten
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Nigel Farage’s Desperate & Implausible media Efforts to Distance Himself from his long term associate Gerard Batten MEP!!

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Hi,
minded that Gerard Batten’s anti Islamic stance and the very clear position that was so very likely to be seen as incitement to racial hatred in the form of his involvement with The Charter for A Muslim Code of Conduct was published in 2006 almost eight years ago and was featured on this blog extensively since then with articles and publication of the full text which I very clearly denounced as far back as 2007, if not earlier, Nigel Farage’s desperate attempts to distance himself from the publication and its apparent racist views is utterly disingenuous and clearly dishonest.Nigel Farage & Gerard Batten have worked side by sider for some 20 years and are inextricably joined at the hip in the most crass and amateur ‘Good Guy Bad Guy’ relationship through those years.It is utterly implausible that Nigel Farage had no part in the publication as documentation will clearly show.

Even the most gullible must surely find this croc of PR spin unpalatable – Just where is the denunciation of the stance Gerard Batten took by Nigel Farage, for I can not find it until all of a sudden we are expected to believe his Damascine Conversion of the last day or two!

Just how gullible does the arrogant hubris of Nigel Farage believe the British peoples to be? Particularly as you will note Nigel Farage’s fierce defence of his extremist, racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual associates in his vile EFD Group which he personally launched and founded – with this in mind it is not just the claims of Alan Skedd that give credence to the comments about ‘nig nogs’ nor the injudicious use of ‘Bongo Bongo Land’ relative to foreign aid by his placeman as an MEP and his flatmate Godfrey Bloom that gives the lie to his claims.

Nor does Nigel Farage’s pursuit of personal income and the use of his personal staff and alleged long term mistress and publicly funded confidante to support his pursuit of his EFD Group and efforts to form it as a Pan EU Political Party:

—–Original Message—–

From: Fuller Annabelle <annabelle.fuller@gmail.com>
To: REDACTED
Sent: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 8:43
Subject: Fwd: doc

Hey honey,

Trevor Colman et al are trying to stop UKIP being a proper political party and making it just an anti EU talking shop and using the pan EU parties to stop that.

If we don’t get the money from joining a party then the country itself will be on the back foot if we ever do get a referendum!

Is there any chance you could send this to a pro ukip blogger like skeptyk for debate? It’s just for the internal ukip people to realise that the NO campaign are not playing nicely

xxx

Subject: Fwd: doc

Enquiries from concerned UKIP members about European Political parties provoke examination of the “NO” campaign’s agenda.

Having looked at the “NO” campaign’s efforts in ‘Independence’, they have been prompted to ask if this means that the real, hidden agenda is (a) to establish control over MEPs, (b) to control who MEPs employ (c) to control how often they go to Brussels (d) to control how long they spend in Brussels (e) to control how their budgets are spent and (f) to control how they vote. 

Which leads on to what really lies behind the “NO” campaign, which is to roll back time and throw away all the achievements of the last ten to fifteen years, abandon the platform which Brussels gives to the Party, trash the electoral advances of successive elections, and return the Party to the status of a fringe pressure group, a talking-shop.

Their logic is that this would put an end once and for all to any engagement by the Party with corrupt federalising EU institutions and return it to a pure and unadulterated state.

Above all it is to undermine, even reverse, the clear mandate given at the Leadership election in 2010 when this very agenda was decisively and utterly rejected by the Party’s membership. 

Also of concern to a corresponding member is the wording of the Question for the ballot paper.

At the risk of boring people to death, this is very much a technical issue because it is by numbers of MEPs who join that the amount of grant and how it is allocated is determined. Recent defections from the EFD group have already affected UKIP funding in Brussels as they will reduce any grant we receive if the membership agrees to allow this to go ahead. So the question has to address whether we allow our MEPs to join or not. There is nothing sinister about it: the question has to reflect the reality of what will take place.

 

Nigel Farage distances himself from MEP over ‘Muslim code of conduct’

Ukip leader says Gerard Batten’s proposed charter was private publication and has never been party policy
Nigel Farage

Nigel Farage has said he is trying to rid Ukip of ‘Walter Mitty’ types after a string of controversies. Photograph: John Stillwell/PA

The Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, has distanced himself from the views of his own immigration spokesman, Gerard Batten, after the London MEP proposed a special code of conduct for Muslims.

Ukip stressed that asking Muslims to sign such a document had never been one of its policies, even though the launch of Batten’s “proposed charter of Muslim understanding” used to be promoted on the party’s website.

Batten, who was on Wednesday campaigning for Ukip in the Wythenshawe and Sale East byelection, told the Guardian this week that he could not see how any “reasonable, normal person” could object to signing the charter, which calls on Muslims to accept equality, reject violence and accept the need to modify the Qur’an.

In a separate video interview from 2010, Batten also proposed a ban on new mosques across Europe, suggested Muslim countries should not be “appeased” and warned of the threats of having “two incompatible systems living in the same place at the same time”.

A number of MPs and MEPs condemned Batten’s comments, with Robert Halfon, a Tory MP, accusing him of taking an “unbelievably sinister” position comparable to asking members of the faith to wear a yellow star.

Halfon, who is Jewish and has spoken out repeatedly against Islamic extremism, said he considered Batten’s views frightening.

He tweeted: “Big difference [between lawful] Muslims & extreme Islamists. UKIP MEP Batten’s statement a 1st step to wearing a Yellow Star.”

Sarah Ludford, a Liberal Democrat MEP for London, also criticised the comments, saying they “rip apart Ukip’s pretence” that it treats everybody equally.

“His offensive blanket stereotyping of Muslims as jihadists speaks volumes about Ukip’s extremism and should warn voters that voting Ukip means associating with hatred and Islamophobia,” she said.

Two prominent Muslim MPs, Sadiq Khan and Rehman Chishti, condemned the “offensive” idea of a charter for Muslims. Chishti said Batten, who is Ukip’s immigration spokesman, should not be allowed to stand again as an MEP.

Meanwhile, Syed Kamall, the Conservative leader in the European parliament, who is a Muslim, left a letter on Batten’s empty seat at the parliament chamber in Strasbourg, offering him a guarantee that he had no intention to commit acts of violence or promote extremism.

“Do you have a form I can sign already?” asked Kamall. “I am anxious to assure you that I have no intention of mounting any attacks on unsuspecting infidels, nor of attempting to radicalise you or anyone else.

“If the forms aren’t ready yet, perhaps you would take this note as my guarantee? My wife and family would be most reassured to know you will allow me to stay in Britain, especially since I was born here. Please feel free to drop into my office to discuss this over a cup of tea. I promise you will be entirely safe.”

Mohammed Shafiq, the chief executive of Muslim think tank the Ramadhan Foundation, said asking one particular community to sign a “loyalty pledge” against violence was “offensive and an insult to all decent people”.

In response to Batten’s comments, Farage said in a statement: “This was a private publication from Gerard Batten in 2006 and its contents are not and never have been Ukip policy. No such policy proposals would have been accepted by Ukip in any case. Ukip believes in treating people equally.”

It comes as Farage tries to rid the party of “Walter Mitty” types after a stream of controversies. These include the party’s suspension of a councillor for blaming flooding on gay marriage and the ejection of the MEP Godfrey Bloom following comments about women and sending foreign aid to “bongo-bongo land”.

It also comes the day after Ukip distanced the party from Mujeeb ur Rehman Bhutto, its former Commonwealth spokesman, who was revealed by BBC Newsnight to have once been part of a kidnapping gang.

With Ukip hoping to top the polls in May’s European elections, Batten is top of the party’s MEP candidate list for London, having passed a round of psychometric testing to make sure his views were acceptable.

Batten told the Guardian he had written the charter in 2006 with a friend, who is an Islamic scholar. Asked on Tuesday whether he still believed Muslims should sign the charter, Batten said: “I don’t suppose the pope would disagree with it or the archbishop of Canterbury or anybody else. So why should they feel aggrieved that they might be asked to sign? They don’t have to. If they don’t believe in those five points, they don’t have to sign it.”

In a press release from the time, published on Ukip’s website, Batten calls on Muslims to sign a five-point affirmation, in which they would promise to accept equality, reject violence in the name of religion, and accept a need to “re-examine and address the meaning and application of certain Islamic texts and doctrines”.

Asked why Muslims had been singled out, rather than followers of other faiths, Batten said: “Christians aren’t blowing people up at the moment, are they? Are there any bombs going off round the world claimed by Christian organisations? I don’t think so.”

In a statement to the Guardian, Batten later said: “I would expect the fundamentalists to agree with me that democracy is incompatible with fundamentalist Islam. Moderate Muslims have to decide which side of the argument they are on.

“Who is in favour of jihad? Apart from the jihadists of course? I was, and still am, happy to speak out against it. It is amusing that the Guardian equates being opposed to extremism and jihadism as ‘overlapping with the far-right’. So are leftwing liberals in favour of jihad? If not, do they overlap too?”

To view the original article CLICK HERE
If you wish to pursue more details on this subject you might care to search this blog
& also CLICK HERE
You will, I am sure be fascinated by the further revalations scheduled based upon the overt racism of Gerard Batten, Nigel Farage and others in UKIP’s leadership clique and its odious and self serving claque.Much further detail can also be garnered by following my TWITTER account and even perhaps were you to CLICK HERE
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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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UKIP’s Racist credentials & anti democratic opinions …

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/03/2013

UKIP’s Racist credentials & anti democratic opinions …
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UKIP’s undeniably Racist credentials & the stance of anti democratic organisations and ill considered opinions!!

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in reply to a comment on UKIP made by a comment poster on this web site at CLICK HERE I felt it apposite to state:
Hi,

having read your article on your blog your stance of somewhat loaded statistics seems more obsessed with race than that of the core grass roots members of UKIP.

To present numbers on a racial basis as a defence is clearly, in and of itself, racist.

Do be minded that an immigrant arriving here has not only not contributed to the system, but nor have their antecedents or. One must wonder at their reason for coming here and sadly all too often it is to avoid the mess their ancestors and associates have made of their own country!

I do feel that there is every reason to withhold benefits for a given period, until their long term commitment to contributing to Britain is ensured.

The open door policy forced on us by the laws made by our Parliament in The EU without care or democratic input of any validity is clearly unwise; as it puts undue strain on our basic resources, paid for by our own tax payers.

We have a shortage of jobs suitable to our own labour force in today’s market, as with housing that is suitable, and educational facilities are planned and funded in line with our own tax payers’ needs.

Our NHS is forced to expand for both immigrants and health tourists leaving insufficient funding for the levels of care selected by British tax payers, and insufficient surplus to train adequate doctors, nurses and other front line staff – thus resulting in our wholesale theft (by enticement) of the most valuable resources of third world economies in the importation of nurses, doctors and carers!

The levels of influx in percentage terms is unarguably disadvantageous to the indigenous population and its best interests and is altering the very culture and economy which the hoards of immigrants would seem initially to be attracted by.

It is bunkum to claim mass immigration enriches a country when all the evidence is to the contrary and even the Labour party now admits to its irresponsible governance in terms of immigrants – perhaps one day they will develope sufficient integrity to admit their catastrophic economic illiteracy and utterly corrupt engagement in war crimes and crimes against humanity as a result of the lies of their leadership!

No sir I do NOT concur your basic premise for your contentions, regarding immigrants on an uncontrolled basis as we currently see it!

That said having been a very active campaigner against racism and having liver in numerous countries around the world I am forced to wonder what your theioretical contentions are based upon in substance and experience – beyond childish and ill thought out jingo.

I did state earlier that I teust the fundamental grass root supporters of UKIP but please be assured I have little but contempt for the biggotry and self serving support of racism, xenophobia and outright prejudice of the most vile nature of UKIP’s leadership team and its chosen allies in The EU and thus some of its more extreme racist parasites such as Gerard Batten and his odious superstition which he deems license to befoul UKIP with in the nature of his publications against Muslims which I believe incline to incite racial hatred – nor the vile racism of Lord Pearson which likewise incline to incite racism nor the overt support of Zionists and thus their terrorist oppression of the peoples of Paleastine.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Interestingly in seeking the views of the extremist and anti democratic organisations who claim the right to IMPOSE their views & values on others, intimidating and blackmailing them to destroy the values of democracy I note the odious Hope Not Hate cult had this to say about Racism in UKIP:

HOPE not hate takes a position on UKIP

Monitor and oppose when necessary

Last Thursday HOPE not hate launched a consultation of our supporters asking their views about UKIP. This was done on the basis that whilst we absolutely believe UKIP not to be a fascist or even an ideologically racist party in terms of its leadership or constitution, there are significant questions to be asked regarding their recent rhetoric and campaign themes. HOPE not hate isn’t questioning that UKIP also very clearly operates within the British democratic tradition, nor are we trying to restrict free speech, rather we want to make sure that the public space for debate is a positive environment rather then one driven by hate.

On a personal level, I was unsure what the position of HOPE not hate should be. I appreciate the arguments both for and against a HOPE not hate intervention. Several of my colleagues and some of our close supporters have asked us in the last 6 months to take UKIP more seriously due to genuine and legitimate concerns about their international connections with the likes of the French Front National or the Italian Lega Nord.

There were even more concerns after the recent Eastleigh by-election and the totally exaggerated claims about the number of likely immigrants to be expected from Bulgaria and Romania in January 2014.

Research by Matthew Goodwin and Robert Ford showed that while UKIP is best known for it stance against membership of the European Union, its supporters were also hostile to immigration and multiculturalism more generally.

UKIP is a very different political party from the BNP but the drivers for its appeal is quite similar.

Others were fundamentally opposed to any HOPE not hate involvement in campaigns against UKIP, as being clearly out of our purview, but even they did question why Marine Le Pen chose to name check UKIP as her closet ally in the UK, when she spoke at Cambridge recently.

This is why we asked you all for your views. After all it is you that help fund our work, campaign with us in rain and snow and have helped us drive the BNP out of council chambers across the country. Fundamentally this should be your decision not mine.

The response has been incredible. Over 1200 people replied to our email within the first 48 hours and hundreds more gave us their views via Facebook, twitter and email. These numbers show the interest in this subject and justifies us asking the question in the first place.

There were a handful of abusive replies, mainly from UKIP supporters who were outraged at us raising the question, but overall the comments – both for and against – were passionate, measured and thoughtful.

In terms of a simple vote, our supporters back HOPE not hate campaigning against UKIP by a margin of just over two to one. 67% voted to campaign, while 33% said we should continue to ignore them.

However within the attached comments the position was much more nuanced. Many of those who believed that we should campaign against UKIP believed that we should just focus our efforts and resources on those people and campaigns which are very clearly racist and plainly unacceptable to HOPE not hate’s vision for a positive and diverse society rather than the party in its entirety.

There were others who voted no who said exactly the same.

Historically this approach is clearly in line with HOPE not hate’s tradition of exposing and highlighting the unacceptable extremists in all of the mainstream political parties. From the Conservative Party’s Monday Club, to last week’s revelation about Lord Ahmed’s antisemitism, HOPE not hate operates on a platform of zero tolerance towards political and cultural extremism. That means we believe we have a duty to expose any racist campaigns, comments or activities and where necessary run localised campaigns against specific candidates.

And this goes for UKIP too.

For now, and because of the nuanced comments you made, I don’t believe there is a clear mandate to run a national campaign against UKIP. However, we will monitor them more closely than we have done in the past, especially at a local level, and we will be prepared to speak out against them when we believe that they are deliberately stoking racism by telling lies about immigration or multiculturalism. We will also be prepared to run campaigns against individual candidates who put out racist leaflets or get involved in anti-Muslim campaigns. And we will do this as vigorously as we have opposed the BNP in the past.

We will review this position in November, six months out from the European Elections.

Following the launch of our consultation last week we have been invited to meet the leadership of UKIP. We immediately agreed and while we are keen to hear what they have to say we will also be outlining our position and the red lines between what we consider to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.

I will add one final thought of my own. As I have written several times on my blog in recent months, I am extremely worried about the shift in the tone of the debate on migration. This has largely been driven by some newspapers but also adopted eagerly by some politicians, including the leadership of UKIP. This has led to an increasingly hostile and toxic environment, both in the media and on the ground in local communities. My fear is that left unchecked this will only get worse. Next January, Romanians and Bulgarians will be allowed to work in the UK and with the European Elections only a few months away increasingly aggressive racist rhetoric will be ratcheted up even further. And, with mainstream political parties worried about UKIP coming first in the European Election, there will be a tendency to drift to the right themselves. HOPE not will oppose this and work with, where possible, and against, where necessary, any political party that seeks to play the race card.

I hope I can count on your continuing support for what will be a busy 15 months.

Nick Lowles

Following the theme of ‘Hope Not Hate’ who are so reknowned for their Hate & campaigning style  I tripped over the following article from Tales From The Borderland – though not the most reliable source as I have found based on the unsustainable and idiotic drivel they published about me some years ago – do read their opinion but based on experience may I suggest you check out any facts they present as they are on occasions strangers to the need for veracity in facts!

SUPPING WITH THE DEVIL?
HOPE NOT HATE & UKIP

Published on Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:47

SUPPING WITH THE DEVIL? UKIP & HOPE NOT HATE

By Larry O’Hara (with assistance from David Pegg & Heidi Svenson) 20/3/13

With wry amusement Notes From the Borderland (hereafter NFB) has watched closely recent public posturing by Hope Not Hate (hereafter HNH), purportedly triggered by ‘concern’ at racist trends within the UK Independence Party (hereafter UKIP), set in motion on their blog 14/3/13 and issue 7 of HNH magazine.   There is far more to this story than meets the eye, and NFB are happy to provide context, albeit partial, in that much detailed proof of our assertions lies in past issues of NFB magazine, namely: issue 4 (highlighting the secret state plot to undermine UKIP in 2000), issue 5 (reproducing in full the strategy document Nick Lowles of Hope Not Hate wrote for the European Movement), and issue 10 (detailing exactly how much HNH are in the pay of the current government, specifically the Department for Communities and Local Government).  To obtain these magazines, visit our sister-site www.borderlandmagazine.co.uk or alternatively click on the top-right of this site where it says ‘How To Buy NFB By Post/On-line’.  Nonetheless hopefully enough evidence is cited here to substantiate our argument that HNH are in no position to comment with either accuracy or good faith regarding any UKIP matter, and anti-racists within UKIP should give these shysters a wide berth.  A timely intervention, given HNH are to meet the UKIP leadership imminently.

After briefly looking at HNH’s stated motivation, we discuss HNH’s ‘dialogue’ with supporters, pointing to the absurdity of any pretence this is a genuine grass-roots organisation.  Next we probe HNH’s tendentious ‘History of UKIP’, and misrepresentation of what UKIP supporters actually believe.  Then, we look at two explanations for HNH dishonesty: first, the political past/ideology of head honcho Nick Lowles, and second, HNH’s position as hirelings of the DCLG, and therefore servants of the political establishment rocked by UKIP.  Finally, a few comments on what anti-racists in UKIP and elsewhere should, and should not, do.

(1) WHY ARE HNH CONCERNED?

The cat was let out of the bag right from the start: to quote HNH’s initial blog post “UKIP is surging in the polls and could well come first in next year’s European Elections.  How should HNH respond? Should we begin to oppose them or should we stick to extremist groups like the BNP?”[i].  In other words, it is UKIP’s electoral threat to the old order that bothers HNH, not their essential nature.  They claim “UKIP is increasingly taking an anti-immigrant tone and as anti-racists we cannot ignore that”[ii].  Yet twelve years ago Lowles said virtually the same thing “UKIP has swung to the right in the last two years…UKIP now represents a nationalist rump”[iii].  If this was true, or he really believed it to be so, HNH and the Searchlight organisation from which they sprang would have opposed UKIP consistently.  Yet they haven’t.  We are not talking about principles here: Lowles wouldn’t know what one was  The real motives for HNH’s opposition to UKIP I will return to, but suffice to say, anti-racism isn’t chief among them.

(2) A PSEUDO-CAMPAIGN?

HNH has no democratic structures whatsoever, and the mugs who give them money, even assuming the incessant online polls aren’t rigged, are ignored anyway.  This ‘consultation’ was meaningless like other fund-raising gimmicks that HNH presents as such.  Firstly, the question asked was skewed: with only two options, counterposing “campainging” (i.e. something active even if mis-spelt) to the negative phrase “just ignore them”.   There is no option for supporting UKIP in any form, therefore from the outset anti-racist UKIP sympathisers are excluded from participating as themselves.  Second, not only was the stated turnout/response pitifully low (“over 1200”) the results were discounted anyway.  For “67% voted to campaign, while 33% said we should continue to ignore them”[iv], yet apparently HNH are not going to campaign against UKIP, because, according to Lowles, “within the attached comments the position was much more nuanced”, consequently “because of the nuanced comments you made, I don’t believe there is a clear mandate to run a national campaign against UKIP.  However we will monitor them more closely”.  Yet 67% is a clearer mandate than any elected UK government has received this century, or last!  If Lowles had objected on the basis of turnout, fair enough, but this arrogant twerp is objecting ostensibly because of ‘nuances’, thereby discounting the very views he pretended to canvas.  Such disdain for the punters is, as we have shown in NFB 10 (p.64) integral to the HNH model of pseudo-participation.  Supporters don’t control policy, rather they are the object of endless marketing/fund-raising campaigns dressed up as participation: clicktivism.

(3) FALSIFYING HISTORY: UKIP AS PORTRAYED BY HNH

To encourage supporters to see things their way, HNH got erstwhile photographer Joe Mulhall to cobble together a distorted account, verging on the libellous[v].  He refers to leader Nigel Farage MEP having “admitted meeting Dr Mark Deavin (the BNP’s then head of research who had briefly infiltrated UKIP…at the latter’s request, to discuss his defection from UKIP to the BNP”.  Inasmuch as Deavin is described as infiltrator, not ‘defector’, Mulhall seems to imply the defection of Farage himself to the BNP was on the menu: or else he (Mulhall) is an illiterate idiot, the charitable view.  Wonder what Nigel makes of this?  Equally dishonest, UKIP founder Alan Sked (the real subject of the Farage/Deavin meeting) is given an easy ride, described as “alluding to the damaging revelation that a…close ally of his Mark Deavin, was actually a BNP infiltrator”.  This is not the half of it.  Firstly, it was Sked himself who introduced Deavin to the higher ranks of UKIP, without him even being a member.  Secondly, the whole murky business of Deavin’s involvement in UKIP, and the subsequent Cook Report documentary on the BNP/UKIP was one in which Searchlight themselves were intimately involved from start to finish.  While HNH have now split from Searchlight (in a deeply acrimonious dispute fully chronicled in NFB 10) they share both a common past and approach.  As argued in detail in NFB 4 (p.18-23), the Deavin affair, and the attempt to set up Nigel Farage by photographing him with both Deavin and Tony Lecomber of the BNP was orchestrated not so much by the BNP (as some believe)[vi] but by Searchlight (who Lowles worked for) themselves.  Deavin was in UKIP’s orbit before he was involved with the BNP, for instance.  Other fascists Mulhall mentions with past UKIP involvement have a more interesting past than he discloses, such as Trevor Agnew and Matt Single, both featured in NFB as acting in a way entirely consistent with them being in the orbit of both Special Branch and Searchlight[vii].  Is this the standard of research you get for one day a week’s work? Even if it is, Lowles knows Mulhall’s account is poor fiction, yet evidently approves it being on the site.

Aside from rewriting the past, HNH consciously misrepresent the views of UKIP supporters, by exaggerating differences between them and other voters.  To that end, research by Rob Ford of Manchester University is cited, along with that of Matthew Goodwin, to show how extreme/racist/supportive of violence UKIP supporters are.  These self-styled and lavishly-funded ‘anti-extremism’ experts we will deal with another time, suffice to say racist attitudes are very common in society at large—in 2010 the Citizenship Survey found that of 16,200 adults 76% wanted a reduction in immigration[viii].  An even larger YouGov poll for Channel 4 of 32,000 voters in May-June 2009 found that while 76% of UKIP voters saw immigration and asylum as one of the top 3-4 political issues, 58% of Tory voters and 46% of Labour’s wanted a halt to immigration[ix].  The real problem with racism therefore, is much broader than UKIP (or the BNP) and to single out UKIP supporters is misleading, intentionally so.  No more so than when castigating UKIP supporters for being “hostile to multiculturalism more generally”[x].  In a March 2011 Searchlight magazine editorial, Lowles wrote of a David Cameron speech criticising multiculturalism, “by demanding integration, an end to state multiculturalism and an acceptance of a core liberal belief system Cameron is not playing to the far-right gallery, as some have argued, but creating a firewall between the mainstream middle and those totally opposed to immigration”.  Thus, UKIP are not allowed to criticise multiculturalism, but Tories are.  Furthermore, Lowles and co-author Carl Morphett (for some silly reason persisting with the pseudonym Simon Cressy) wrote that “while UKIP is not a far right or fascist party many of its members and supporters hold views little different from those held by the BNP”[xi]

(4) HNH’s REAL MOTIVES

Anybody who thinks Lowles an honest broker regarding UKIP clearly does not know his political past regarding Europe.  In 1996 he wrote an infamous document (while working for Searchlight) offering to provide pro-EU propaganda for the European Movement in the struggle against anti-EU forces.  The proposal (which was taken up and is reproduced in NFB issue 5 p.54-55) ends by saying

 “this research will be a unique insight into the anti-European network in Britain.  Utilising sources inside these organisations, the European Movement will be furnished with information not otherwise easily accessible.  The report and the drip flow of information will provide your organisation with invaluable ammunition to add to your cause”. 

Note the charming phrase ‘drip-feed’.  How can anybody think that a venal pro-EU disinformation-peddler like this should be listened to by anybody genuinely concerned about opposing the EU in an anti-racist way?

In case it be argued, utterly implausibly, that Lowles has changed his pro-EU spots, consider two further things.  First, the clique of which he is a part now running Hope Not Hate is largely composed of the pro-EU hard right Labour faction ‘Progress’ (see NFB 10 p.59-60/75), chief among whose patrons is the oleaginous pro-EU Peter Mandelson.  It gets even worse.  In both February 2012 and (we understand) in February 2013 (see NFB 10 p.61-62), HNH have been in receipt of substantial funding from the Department of Communities and Local Government, brokered by DCLG ‘Integration Division’ boss Andrew Jordan, and HNH speakers are frequent participants at DCLG-sponsored seminars, along with Matthew Goodwin and various spooks.  In this respect, whereas originally funding was forthcoming to counter the EDL, it now seems legitimate to argue that here we have government funded HNH turning its sights on a political party, UKIP, that is a major problem for their Tory paymasters.  That cannot be right, and is surely questionable legally.

(5) WHAT NEXT?

Hopefully, readers will now understand just why NFB regards HNH’s stance on UKIP with wry amusement, especially this announcement: “following the launch of our consultation last week we have been invited to meet the leadership of UKIP.  We immediately agreed and while we are keen to hear what they have to say we will also be outlining our position and the red lines between what we consider to be acceptable and unacceptable behaviour”[xii].  Just why would anybody of good faith listen to what the likes of Lowles, known Europhiliac and DCLG hireling, might have to say by way of ‘advice’ to the anti-EU movement generally/UKIP in particular?  Rather we suggest:

  1. UKIP itself acts against racists in the ranks and expels them.
  2. No meeting with HNH, and especially no handing over of membership lists, as Sked did in the past[xiii]
  3. Those on the Left/Greens abandon their shameful acquiescence (by & large) in the racket that is the EU, thereby shifting the anti-EU debate Leftwards and linking it to a transformative political strategy.  Unless and until the Left deals with Elephant in the room that is the EU, they will (rightly) remain marginal.
  4. Urgent Freedom of Information Act  requests concerning  ongoing HNH funding by DCLG and other government departments, as a prelude to legal action to ensure this is not used for tawdry (pro-coalition) political purposes.  Opponents should not baulk at taking legal action against HNH: they don’t ‘do’ genuine debate.  For example, in the dispute with Searchlight they have threatened legal action/called in lawyers on no less than six occasions (NFB 10 p.73 has details) rather than have genuine public debate over differences.  What is really at stake is taxpayers money being used for proxy campaigning on behalf of the coalition.
  5. Further examination of the way political discourse is being polluted by anti-extremism discourse, as bought into by the DCLG/HNH/the Home Office/spooks and various intellectual prostitutes posturing as academics like Ford and Goodwin
  6. If there is to be a meeting between Lowles and others in the HNH orbit with anti-EU forces, a clear red line should be drawn, preferably at the top of some stairs, and the whole rotten lot booted out over it into the gutter where they belong.
Clearly the upper echelons of UKIP are racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual and extremist – and all proven beyond argument by their close association and both support and sponsorship of overtly racist pan EU groups and their own Pan EU Political Group The EFD.
The excuse quoted for this close association with extremism of the basest nature is ‘for money & influence’ so it is fair to say UKIP is without ethics or principles and willing to prostitute itself to any vile extremist cause in return for ‘influence and money’!
Not a pleasant prospect for a political cult in Britain and as a Farage cult it is hard to think of it as a ‘Party’ at times!
Then of course the re are the efforts of Notes from the Borderland to summarise their 2001 position on UKIP infiltration by MI6 – which seems little more accurate than their original fanciful speculations, fed, as I recal, by the embittered and inaccurate speculations of the outmaneuvered UKIP aspirant Christina Speight’s vitriolic and dishonest views!
The rehash of this old story was published on 05-Aug-2010

YET MORE PLOTS AND RUMOURS OF PLOTS: DID MI6 INFILTRATE UKIP?

Introduction

One thing that unquestionably facilitates spook intervention in politics is the studied unwillingness of people on one part of the spectrum to take an interest when perceived opponents are infiltrated.  No more so than suggestions that the Euro-Sceptic movement might be the subject of secret state jiggery-pokery.  This not only ignores the political past–both the Labour Party & the Green Party once favoured withdrawal from the EU–it allows spooks greater maneouvrability in the present. 

 Something that we at NFB definitely think is a bad thing.  We would only ask that those who have no sympathy for UKIP put that aside for a few minutes and look at the issues…

TEBBIT WEIGHS IN

Just before the 2001 General Election, Tory bruiser Norman Tebbit wrote in The Spectator that UKIP had two ex-MI6 agents in the ranks, and by standing in seats against Tory Eurosceptic candidates was perhaps following an MI6 (and New Labour) agenda [132]. His argument had two aspects–the presence of MI6 assets on the one hand, and UKIP electoral strategy on the other.

UKIP did indeed stand against Tory Euro-sceptics who lost their seats, such as Patrick Nicholls. However, standing against those they are politically close to was no new policy–UKIP opposed the Referendum Party in 1997 and prior to that election were distinctly antagonistic [133]. In any event, whatever Tebbit’s own views on the EU, the suspicion is this article was written for (Tory) party motives to some extent at least. Tebbit hardly proved his case as to what M!6 might have been up to in UKIP. He did however, to use his phrase, ‘strike gold’ in one respect-ascertaining there were indeed two ex-MI6 agents inside UKIP. For that, we should all be grateful, as too for putting the question of spooks infiltrating politics on the agenda.

MI6 & PARTY POLITICS—A DEFINITE CASE TO ANSWER

Without question MI6 cultivate assets in political parties. Raymond Fletcher (Labour MP for llkestone 1964-83) was on MI6’s payroll while in parliament. Another former MI6 officer was influential Tory Cranley Onslow MP, later instrumental in recruiting 1970s MI6 provocateurs the Littlejohn brothers. Former Cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken was so in with MI6 he used this to defend his libel case against The Guardian. The most high profile former MI6 officer is Paddy Ashdown. As Lib Dem Leader his first act was persuade the party to ditch their unilateral nuclear disarmament policy. And who really believes his interest in the former Yugoslavia has nothing to do with Paddy’s MI6 past? Not us. At the very least we can say former MI6 employees entering politics retain links with SIS, which are of use in, and affect, their political life.

THE JONES ALLEGATIONS

Tebbit did not name his source, but others did. It was Chris Jones, sometime Labour Party Press Officer, more recently a UKIP Press Officer. He held this post for a few months before departing in contested circumstances. Jones, contacted by NFB, readily conceded he was Tebbit’s source, but added little, and seemed unenthusiastic about his previous claims. Undeterred, we continued investigating and obtained his two known relevant letters anyway.

First up is Jones’ letter to Jeffrey Titford MEP dated 26/9/00. He raises seven main points, yet none concern MI6 or even party policy. They all impinge on his employment contract and related financial matters, of little help in determining MI6 involvement in UKIP. At that time (and still) Jones had a court case pending relating to his employment. Maybe he was sidelined after discovering an MI6 plot in UKIP–but this letter does not directly support that. Indeed, inasmuch as he says “alarm bells started ringing in my head in my second week in [UKIP] employ”, no allegation concerning MI6 is even implicitly substantiated. A mundane motive for alleging MI6 infiltration (revenge) is however potentially substantiated. Luckily, we already know via Tebbit two were definitely ex-MI6.

A second Jones missive is more helpful, dated 14/1/01. His letter to the ‘Regulation of Investigatory Powers Tribunal’ refers to “my allegation, based on detailed circumstantional {sic) evidence gathered over 5 months that UKIP has been penetrated and is largely controlled by British Intelligence agents”. Unfortunately there is no evidence in this letter, although a request is made to “call upon files on UKIP: myself: Dr R AE North: G Franklyn-Ryan: Nigel Farage MEP: Heather Coyningham a former FCO official; Christopher Skeate also FCO: Tony Stone: Mark Daniel (alias): Janet Girsman and G Lance Watkins”. Given he presumably doesn’t see himself as a spook, maybe others on this list are victims too according to Jones. What caused whittling down 8 names to 2 (when he met Tebbit) is not ascertainable. Perhaps Mr Jones might say more on these matters, and we hope he will. One further point-in our opinion, the last people to go to if concerned about spookery is the Home Secretary or any spook monitoring body. If there is no secret state involvement, it’d be a waste of time. If there is involvement, they wouldn’t admit it but simply cover their tracks.

SIFTING THE EVIDENCE

According to preliminary research the following things are known or claimed about Heather Coyningham & Christopher Skeate, the two ex-MI6 staff. They worked in Latin America together (possibly Peru) and were both in the Referendum Party, the latter as a 1997 candidate. As UKIP Press Officer, Skeate recruited Coyningham to a secretarial role. Fluent in languages. Coyningham now works in Brussels as secretary to both Titford and Farage. No evidence has been found of her factionalising, but it has to be said if she were still operating to an MI6 agenda, this apparently mundane but in reality crucial job is exactly the sort of task she would perform. We have heard that Coyningham played a key part in the recent General Election campaign, and helped change party policy concerning a referendum on EU membership. We do not know this is so, but report it: such a policy dilution is something MI6 would favour.

Skeate has a higher profile. He attended the crucial New Alliance foundation meeting 7/6/97 and in February 1999 lobbied NEC members to prevent suspension of Liz Milton from that body. Also that month, he accused then leader Michael Holmes of being responsible for posting defamatory material concerning himself (Holmes) on the Eurofaq internet newsgroup. Skeate drifted in and out of the various internal conflicts, surfacing at the October 1999 AGM claiming “the NEC had achieved nothing in the last year or so-and attempted to put the blame on Michael Holmes” (according to one critic) [134].  Maybe Skeate’s participation in factionalism was innocent-and after all, a lot less than some. However, if he too were still working to an MI6 agenda, encouraging factionalism at pivotal moments is something one might expect. Early in 2001, Skeate left UKIP, over an undisclosed matter. His internet argument with Holocaust Denial supporter Alistair McConnachie (mentioned earlier) found its way to the Guardian in February 2001. Of course, Skeate probably genuinely opposes anti-semitism, although we doubt pro-Jewish sympathies were encouraged in MI6. After all, his Latin America posting will have included dealings with the Cayman Islands, which play “an integral role in money laundering for several of the Arab intelligence services” [135].

REACTIONS TO TEBBIT

Ordinary UKIP members saw Tebbit as pursuing a Tory agenda: fair comment [136], The Telegraph covered it straight [137]. The Guardian snidely dismissed Tebbit as a ‘conspiracy theorist’—yet Tebbit had incontrovertibly established Skeate and Coyningham were MI6 [138].

Next up was Andrew Pierce inThe Times (24/5), who in 1999 broke the Farage/Lecomber/Deavin photo story. He poured scorn on Tebbit, implying UKIP was the province of MI5 (if anything) not MI6–but why not both? He stated “there have been so many personality clashes within the party they would not have needed any external help to disrupt it”. Like Pierce for example? His was a disingenuous remark, for not only may spooks accentuate personal rivalries (the COINTELPRO model) genuine rivalries are good cover. Obviously speaking of the Jones Memo, Pierce claimed to be “trying to locate” it. We think it unlikely he didnt already have it. He asked of a plot ‘what is the point?’, knowing full well even the tiniest groups get infiltrated, never mind ones with MEPs whose main plank is a foreign policy issue. Pierce then deliberately blurs the Carmichae! (MI5) case with this (MI6) one, attributing such (manufactured) confusion to Tebbit! And so on–all in all, a professional snow job. Clearly, at some time between 1999 and 2001, Pierce’s public line on UKIP has undergone a radical change. Reporting the Tory attempt to bribe UKIP early in 2001 Pierce was respectful of Farage, quoting extensively from his internal UKIP report in a way doing UKIP (as opposed to Tories) no harm [139]. The uncharitable might think Pierce got instructions from above (or below) to enthusiastically rubbish Tebbit’s claims. We couldn’t possibly comment.

Recent coverage in the BNP’s Spearhead says little but is again reminiscent of Dr Deavin, using the name Barry Preston [140]. To date, neither Searchlight nor Francis Wheen have said anything. Maybe the drip feed is clogged up?

During the whole controversy, only one UKIP luminary spoke–Nigel Farage. He said a lot–and said nothing. To The Telegraph he admitted the “party could have been infiltrated by all sorts of people”. Not specifying who. For The Guardian he mused over whether leaks from UKIP had been “the far left, the far right, or the Conservatives, but I just don’t know”. Not spooks then. Strange, considering Tebbit’s Spectator article reported “no shock at UKIP when I told them what I know about the person who had left”. Or perhaps Farage believes an MI6 asset in UKIP would not be infiltration? So what would? On the BBC (23/5/01) Farage rhetorically asked “who is to say whether we were infiltrated by the security services”. Actually, Norman Tebbit. Farage’s most fatuous offering is the last. According to the Daily Express (25/5/01) after questioning Coyningham, Farage said “she thinks these claims are nonsense”. So do any number of people up in court–shouldn’t a party leader properly investigate, as the Express headline ‘Party starts spy probe’ promises? Topping it is this riposte. “Asked whether either had ever worked for MI6, Mr Farage said ‘I haven’t got a clue'”. Does this ridiculous response indicate irresponsible incompetence or something else? Your call. At the very least, former Tory MP John Browne could head up an inquiry. That really would be fun.

FOOTNOTES TO EXTRACT

132) The Spectator 26/5/01
133) see for example UKIP Press Release 28/11/96 & leaflet ‘Why UKIP is not in alliance with the Referendum Party’ (1996)
134) letter in Independence issue 30 October 1999 p.5
135) John Loftus & Mark Aarons ‘The Secret are Against the Jews; (St Martins Press NY) p.394
136) Brian Lee letter to The Spectator 2/6/01
137) Daily Telegraph 24/5/01 (Sarah Womack)
138) The Guardian 24/501 (Nicholas Watt).
139) The Times 2/3/01 (Andrew Pierce).
140) Funny goings-on in UKIP’ Spearhead 92 October 2001 p.18-19

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Regards,

Greg_L-W..

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