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#272* – EUkip CHANGES A SOLICITORS VIEW

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/02/2009

#272* – EUkip CHANGES A SOLICITORS VIEW

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

EUkip’s OVERHASTY & MISS TIMED CHANGES TO THE CONSTITUTION – A PPC & SOLICITORS VIEW – DISCUSSED!

Hi,

I am pleased to see that there is reasoned objection to the changes in the constitution taking place in EUkip.

I am deeply concerned that EUkip would see it as apposite to seek to force through such divisive and potentially dangerous manipulation in the very run up to a major and very decisive election!

That the duplicitous leadership who have shown they are untrustworthy to be seeking to force this through at such an inopportune time based on what many of us know to be a fabricated pack of lies – A fact we have proven beyond any doubt and substantiated with documentary evidence.

You will note that this is #272* in a series of eMaiils mostly highlighting or exposing dishonesty, corruption, lies, bullying, questionable financing, questionable finance etc. etc. all within the milieu of the NEC, leadership, staff and sycophants!

NOT ONE material correction has needed to be made of any consequence regarding a single fact I have put before a discerning audience including EUkip’s lawyers – my every fact has been materially correct.

There are many amongst the leadership and NEC, staff and higher levels (or their secretaries with access to their computers and data) who have supplied me with information as they believe EUkip must be cleaned up.

It is clear that these attempts to make constitutional changes are deeply, deeply suspect.

Those with longer memories will be aware that the NEC with many of the same nodding donkeys of The Faragista Fan Club implemented changes not so long ago promising the hapless and gullible members that the changes were essential only to find when they were made that they were largely unworkable!

You will have noted one of the main drafters of the substance of the constitution has denounced these new changes as removing essential checks and balances giving the leader and his unelected puppet chairman far to much power and control.

We already know that the leader has seized to himself dictatorial powers through implimentation of a ‘Political Committee’ which has no members set, save the leader, keeps no minutes and implements decisions with executive function WTF!!

Now it is interesting aftert I had stated that on the point of having formed a comp[any granting obscene profits to the ‘former’ thereof – it is bizarre that the decision has been made, the money allocated and no doubt the task performed! Yet the vote has not been held yet!

There is no problem in an honest organisation forming a company but this is NOT an honest organisation – further it has provided no articles of association nor prospectus – just what are the members being asked to vote on?

This is fundamentally dishonest!

Then consider EUkip’s own Returning Officer produced an Official Report stating EUkip leadership could not be trusted to hold an election – they proved so untrustworthy that they ignored it and rubbised and lied about all who commented!

Do not take my word for this consider the correspondence which I have posted in #271 earlier Blogs! Now consider this correspondence sent to me by someone close to The Lewis Constituency.

Please be minded that Drew Belababa is a qualified Solicitor and the elected PPC for his constituency, with extensive political experience in his Country of origin Canada before he chose to come and raise his family in Britain with his wife a pharmacist from Australia.

Drew & Lena’s child has, I am told, the energy of Tigger, hops around like Kanga and is as cute as a baby polar bear – they must be doing something right they CHOSE to live in Britain AND they come from the Commonwealth! After being raised in saskatchawen I believe , as far from the sea as you can be in the western world he now lives on the South Coast as for Lena raised with the outdoor life of Oz one wonders what attracted her to this climate! Especially with all the global warming that has been falling recently 😉

Read his comments and those of others and you decide – personally I could only vote NO but I am rather better informed than most with almost a dozen years of experience of EUkip and UKIP before it.

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:35:15 -0800
From: dbelobaba@yahoo.ca
Subject: Proposal to turn UKIP into a Limited Company.
To: dbelobaba@yahoo.ca

Dear everyone

I received my ballot papers today. Together with the ballot papers for the NEC elections and the constitutional changes I note that members are being balloted as to whether UKIP should be turned into a Company limited by guarantee.

As a solicitor (albeit not one who has practiced company law) I do have an elementary knowledge of Company Law and this proposal gives me great concern, unaccompanied as it is by any detailed information.

For those of you who are not familiar with these sorts of matters, a company limited by guarantee is a type of company in which members of the company, rather than holding shares, give a guarantee of the debts of the company. It is often used by clubs and other non-profit groups that wish to incorporate (most incorporated businesses are companies limited by shares).

I think it would have been very helpful if together with the ballot question, details of the proposed articles of association of the company had been provided, in particular the following information:

1. Who are to be the guarantors of the company? Is it to be the ordinary members of the party?

2. If the ordinary members of the party are to be the guarantors what is the amount of the guarantee to be given by each member?

3. Companies law allows for different classes of members. How many classes of members is it proposed the new company will have and what rights will each proposed class have.

4. As a company limited by guarantee, I presume that it would become easier for UKIP to borrow money as its members would be guaranteeing the debt. What rights will members of the company have to scrutinize and consent to liabilities that the company may incur?

In my opinion, at the very least members require answers to the above questions before they can make an informed decision about the wisdom of incorporating. Many, if not most of our members will not realize that they are potentially voting on something that may cause them to incur financial liabilities. Therefore to put this question before them at best suggests a serious lack of judgement on the part of those proposing it.

I will be voting no to this proposal. If the proposal passes then I feel that Ileana and I will have no choice but to relinquish our memberships in UKIP until any potential liabilitys attaching to membership are made clear to us.

Yours truly,

Drew Belobaba

From: kris latham culatham@hotmail.co.uk
To: Drew UKIP PPC Lewes Belobaba dbelobaba@yahoo.ca
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 6:50:47 PM
Subject: FW: Proposal to turn UKIP into a Limited Company.

Hi Drew,

please read the below, also could you send me the email address`s you have sent this to or forward this email on to them many thanks

Kris

From: al@axis2000.net
To: culatham@hotmail.co.uk
Subject: RE: Proposal to turn UKIP into a Limited Company.
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:20:52 +0000

Dear Kris,

I’m not an expert either but I am involved with a number of institutions (universities, charities, etc) which are Companies Limited by Guarantee.

A Company Limited by Guarantee is a legal entity which does not have share capital or shareholders and is designed specifically to manage not for profit non-commercial institutions (including political parties). Such a company has trustees who are guarantors who enjoy limited liability status but accept a nominal financial risk (usually set at £1) should the company run into financial difficulty.

The Articles of Association of a Company Limited by Guarantee state the company’s business (sometimes called charitable objects) and what happens to surplus income – usually invested in furthering its business but not to be paid to directors or members.

There are very many such companies in the UK and many are extremely successful in fulfilling their objects and benefit the public yet with the protection afforded by legal status. Therefore I cannot agree with Drew. I certainly shall vote “Yes” and I think Drew should be corrected (as should others who may have received his email).

Alan

Alan Latham, Ph.D., MIoD.

From: Drew Belobaba [mailto:dbelobaba@yahoo.ca]
Sent: 05 February 2009 19:50
To: kris latham; dbelobaba@yahoo.ca
Subject: Re: Proposal to turn UKIP into a Limited Company.

Kris,

I have no objection to UKIP becoming a limited party and I broadly agree with what Alan has written. Companies limited by guarantee can be very useful instruments. Unfortunately we don’t know whether the guarantee will be £1 or £100 or £1000 and whether only some “trustees” or all members will be guarantors.

When I sat on the Surrey Committee there was discussion of turning the UKIP Surrey News into a Company Limited by Guarantee. This was in order to protect the editors/publishers of it in the event someone sued for defamation of character. In that case there was great resistance because it the guarantees would have to have been substantial if we were to protect the editorial team from excessive liability.

My concern is that UKIP has failed to raise enough money to finance European election campaign and that this is a desperate gambit to turn the party into a body with a substantial “guarantee” beyond it with a view to enabling it to borrow a lot of money in order to finance the election campaign. This of course could potentially expose members to unpaid debts.

I also note that the Electoral Commission was successful in its appeal over the illegitimate donation from Alan Bown and the matter has been referred back to the Court in which it was first heard. It is quite likely that the next judgement will not be as favourable as the last. Now Alan Bown has agreed to cover the costs of the action and any potential forfeiture. However it is possible that the eventual bill for all this could come to close to £500,000 and Mr. Bown could change his mind or indeed be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would we be.

I am forwarding Alan’s comments on nonetheless. If the party had sent out the proposed articles of association and the details of guarantors/guarantees, classes of membership etc and I had found them to be acceptable I would happily vote for this proposal, but as they say the devil is in the details and right now we have none of those.

Drew

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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#271* – WITNESS INTIMIDATION re: WARRY & WEST

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/02/2009

#271* – WITNESS INTIMIDATION re: WARRY & WEST

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

WITNESS INTIMIDATION re: Niall WARRY & John WEST
LITIGANT INTIMIDATION re: John WEST
& THE LIES OF EUkip’s LEADERSHIP & STAFF!

Hi,

as you will by now have read my earlier posting on the lies of Jeffrey Titford, Ma Zucherman and others seemingly with no purpose but to cover up corruption in EUkip and in this instance the lies of Titford and the irrefutable fact that he is under investigation by OLAF on at least one count which involves the files passed to them for investigation by the British Police – there would seem to be no reason not to believe that Ma Zucherman & Jeffrey Titford seemingly colluding with others, are indulging in Witness Intimidation.

That there would seem every possibility that in another case where John West is the litigant District Judge Bazley White would seem likely to pass the matter before his Court on the 17-Feb-2009 to Judicial Review. Ma Zucherman is well aware of this and thus his actions can be seen as Litigant Intimidation and as a so called solicitor he will be well aware of the consequences of this level of contempt for the British Courts in attempting to subourne Justice!

No doubt from his assiduous study of the law he will be well aware that Brian Ferry is in Prison on remand for just this crime!

Further to my Blog on the subject of the dishonesty lies, corruption and witness/litigant intimidation CLICK HERE – I have posted below a follow on to my exposure of the dishonesty of Head Office, NuttAll, Farage & David Challice which also looks like further attempts to intimidate John West – maybe this time as the witness for The Data Protection Commissioner and / or for the various cases being investigated by The Information Commissioners Offices – to view more of this CLICK HERE

Similarly it would seem that the fallacious claims against Niall Warry and the attempt to gag him and deny him freedom of speech may well merely be yet another attempt at Witness Intimidation, which could well be heard as a Judicial Review, for details CLICK HERE, and could prove immensly damaging to Derek Clarke as Niall Warry has been asked to act as a witness by OLAF in their enquiry into Derek Clark.

Derek Clarke as a result of his lies, dishonesty, indollence and betrayal of Britain would seem to be in some difficulty as I am reliably informed NO ONE will turn out to leaflet for him except his hired staff and his behaviour looks all to likely to have been a superlative recruiting sargeant for the BNP who look very likely to have an MEP returned in Derek Clarke’s constituency.

We gather Clarke’s paid staff even find it hard to persuade people to take a leaflet in the street he has so befouled the name of EUkip in his region. Quite an achievement for him to have so damaged the reputation of the party that he and Farage have likely reduced the Region from 2 MEPs to ZERO!

Anyway further to the lies of head office about John West CLICK HERE

Here is the submission John West sent in and has proof of having delivered in time – despite Challice’s faked envelope from LIVERPOOL!

From: johnwest81@hotmail.com

Subject: FW: NEC election statement
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:49:06 +0000
Dear Sir/Madam,
Here is my NEC election statment and picture. John West

The NEC exists to represent the interests of our members.

They should fight for transparency, democracy and justice.
The current NEC is failing in that duty. Democratically elected member of UKIP’s NEC have been removed. Others face expulsion from the party for daring to raise unpalatable questions about the way UKIP is run. This must stop.
I will resist any proposed changes to the constitution that give the leader or chairman dictatorial powers.
UKIP must concentrate on fighting Westminster elections. Getting MP’s elected should be our priority because without representation at Westminster we can achieve little.
I will fight for a National Leadership team that concentrates on fighting national and local elections.
Talent in UKIP must be encouraged to flourish without the fear of censure.
All MEPs accounts must be open to scrutiny.
A full audit of the Ind Dem Group’s finances must also be undertaken.

Well I guess we can all see why they didn’t dare have him! Witness & Litigant intimidation not withstanding! The last thing they want is a resolute man of principles!

As an aside I note EUkip’s head office address is:

ukipHo@btconnect.com
In these Politically Correct times is this wise and who might she be anyway 😉

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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#270* – Bob FEEL-MARTINIS’ MISUNDERSTANDINGS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/02/2009

#270* – Bob FEEL-MARTINIS’ MISUNDERSTANDINGS

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Bob FEEL-MARTINIS, the hapless PPC for EUkip from SWINDON (IF he can find his way home!) & CORRECTING HIS FALLACIOUS MISUNDERSTANDINGS!

Hi,

There is an interesting comment by Dr. Eric Edmond on his Blog LINK

The comments section of which I reproduce the comments to date may explain much about the twisted and duplicitous mind set of the useful idiots who Farage and his cronies have duped into support of their undeniable dishonesty and corruption – none of which represent any vestage of the values of The Britain I seek to defend.

I have altered not a single material word, as you can see for yourself if you wish at: CLICK HERE

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Bob Feal-martinez said…
What an odd way to start your latest ‘critique’ of the party. Do you believe it is right to utilise the official UKIP data base to send out unsanctioned and unofficial letters.

Do you not understand the damage you are doing to the party by your actions. It would several of your colleagues who put there names to the letter have denied any responsibility for the letters distribution. Why do you think that should be if the use of the UKIP data base was legitimate, as you claim.

04 February 2009 10:07

Junius said…
Eric, Do not take any notice of this Farage sycophant. He is part of the problem. He is the one helping to damage UKIP by endorsing Farage’s dishonesty.

And for the record the UKIP database WAS NOT used by Roger Knapman or his colleagues.

You can now go back to sleep Bob.

04 February 2009 11:39

Comment deleted
This post has been removed by the author. (NOT ME – JUNIUS I believe)

04 February 2009 11:52

Bob Feal-martinez said…
junius, have you been allowed near a computer, you know it will have left a ‘footprint’. Oh I know you obviously haven’t gone to work because of the snow.

If those involved in sending out the letter have not used the data base then they will have nothing to fear when the police come calling, assuming of course it is reported.

All I would say is that if you use a mailing service it is traceable.

04 February 2009 12:02

Greg L-W. said…

Bob Feel Martinis as a founder member of The Faragista Fan Club who has only just joined EUkip – are you aware of howmuch damage you do EUkip by supporting the lies and corruption that are the leadership of EUkip.

Farage is a liar, a cheat, a fantasist and merely a failed City Barrow Boy who would seem to have spent the last 10 years stuffing his pockets.

As I predicted over 10 years ago Nigel Farage would destroy the very party he had helped build if he ever TRIED to become leader. His failure to be honestly elected was the beginning of the end and this one trick pony of a party under his incompetent and dishonest leadership has betrayed all who have supported UKIP over the years and ensured EUkip is a one hit wonder.

Surely Bob you must be just a little embarrassed to be so anti Patriotic in the manner in which you are aiding The EU’s usefull idiots AND supporting the dishonesty, bullying, lies and corruption of the rotten head of EUkip.

In utter contempt at your established dishonesty,
Greg L-W.
for legally established and unchallenged FACTS
keep reading Eric’s Blog or JUNIUS or
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

04 February 2009 14:35

Greg L-W. said…

Hi,

Bob Feel Martinis asked:

Do you believe it is right to utilise the official UKIP data base to send out unsanctioned and unofficial letters.

May I ask if YOU feel it is right to make an accusatory assumptive lie, as ever you have no provenance – therefor your smear tactic is contemptible.

Had these Party officials used the official list, which I know they did not nor did I provide them with either my old list or my current list, I would applaud this usage as it brings democratic balance to the undeniably corrupt lies of the NEC and leadership.

Do you not understand the damage you are doing to the party by your actions.

In your confussion are you unaware that Farage’s proven dishonesty and corruption and the manner in which he has contrived to abuse the interests of UKIP members and our Country is destructive and befouled as EUkip is now it is better to kill it off and the signators to the Body / Knapman / Congdon etc. letter are to be applauded for having endeavoured to clean up EUkip and make it fit for purpose – one’s only criticism should be that they had lacked the sense or intergrity to take this action when Farage first encouraged corruption and abuse of the principles and values of UKIP.

It would several of your colleagues who put there names to the letter have denied any responsibility for the letters distribution.

I would assume that you are asking who distributed the balance to the grab for power of Farage – I believe it was the Royal Mail and also by eMail.

If it is your implication that ANY of the signators DID NOT put their name to this letter I contend sir that without provenance and the names of those you claim – your slur must be seen to be a lie and thus an appology is essential.

Why do you think that should be if the use of the UKIP data base was legitimate, as you claim.
Every signator put his name to the letter and the party data base was not used – thus your appology is apposite.

For their efforts to democratise and try to legitimise the behaviour of EUkip NEC and leadership with their scurrilous unbalanced and uninformative NEC letter seeking to exploit the ignorance of elderly members, I believe the Body letter authors should be praise and the party recompence them for their costs.

It is to be hoped that the entire leadership and the nodding donkeys and placemen of the NEC will have the basic integrity to stand down and leave EUkip for the harm they have done the party and the damage their dishonesty has cause these United Kingdoms.

You would be welcome to leave with them in view of your support for corruption, abuse and lies that are so counter the interests of our Country.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

04 February 2009 15:04

Bob Feal-martinez said…
Just for the record I know how the letters were sent and which private provider sent them. I have spoken with them who confirm they send out letters from a data base provided to them.

So GLW clearly more lies from you. I bet EE loves to see you post on his blog. It really does his credibility a lot of good (Not)

04 February 2009 23:30

Bob Feal-martinez said…
AS the coward GLW doesn’t allow anyone to dispute his lies on his blog, and given EE gives him a voice here I thought I would ask which Swindon he was referring to in this post:

In the last day or two he has merely strutted up and down the passages in Strasburgh fulminating at the fact that since it seems either he does NO WORK, or can’t read he had not been told that there was a meeting of loyal UKIP members in Swindon. Farage is furious as he fears people discussing the truth and realises that if the truth of the corruption becomes too widespread then the honest UKIP members may well split the party leaving Farage and the filth he has gathered around him with no work force to try to get him back as an MEP – his ONLY interest in members (save only the females under 35, where possible!).

There is after all several Swindons, one in Gloucestershire,
one in Staffordshire, one in Northumberland and of course one in Wiltshire.

So which one had the meeting, given that the only meeting recently of the Wiltshire Swindon was a social function, our next meeting being our AGM on 25th February.

So GLW please state which Swindon Just for the record the Swindon Wiltshire group are loyal to the leadership. They are of course concerned that the harm being done by Knapmans letter, but most are voting Yes (according to those who have expressed a view) to the amendments.

04 February 2009 23:56

Junius said…
Bob FM you are a fool and a liar.

05 February 2009 03:23

Bob Feal-martinez said…
And your an odious cowardly parasite who makes a living and then bite the hand that feeds you.

Nothing I have written here or anywhere else is a lie. Please highlight which post on here is a lie.

Would it be a lie to say that Mr Edmond is party to a secret meeting to be held on Saturday, which is purported to be about the harmonisation of those in favour of with drawing from Europe, but apparently those that know have been told not to reveal it.

Or that the organiser of this meeting is a former UKIP senior official, or that several speakers are UKIP PPC’s or MEP candidates. Would that be a lie, also.

05 February 2009 03:59

Junius said…
Temper, temper Bob. You need to control yourself. You got banned from the Forum for being stupid.

There is no secret meeting on Saturday. The agenda has now been published.

If you have the courage why not go to Swindon Railway Museum and argue your point?

Farage is too much of a coward to do so. Are you the same?

05 February 2009 11:35

Bob Feal-martinez said…
The event seems to by special invitation only and unlike certain people I do not gate crash meetings. If the organisers were interested in inviting me they would have responded to my email today. They cannot argue they didn’t get it because I instigated the local press contacting them.

If the agenda has been published then perhaps you could direct me as to where.

Also we see on the Common man that Haslam has rather shot himself in the ‘holier than though’ foot.

In December of last year, Mr Haslam invited a number of people to a meeting at a location in West Sussex.

After the recriminations following Mr Haslams ejection from the NEC, those present were more than a little surprised to discover that the first speaker was one Buster Mottram. This was nothing compared to the stunned silence when the second speaker was introduced, for it was none other than one Mr N Griffin, BNP leader.

It is also suggested that Edmond is to defect to Libertas. Rather an odd thing to do given that that party is about remaining in Europe.

All in all the pigeons are coming home to roost, it seems the party leadership was right to take the actions they have over the last few months. I wonder how the others who signed the NO letter are feeling, having clearly been so badly betrayed by those they supported.

05 February 2009 11:49

Greg L-W. said…

Bob Feel Martinis said in italics and I respond:

Just for the record I know how the letters were sent and which private provider sent them. I have spoken with them who confirm they send out letters from a data base provided to them.

I’m sure that was no secret and so what? The data base was NOT the party data base and they did not use my original one or my current one.

So GLW clearly more lies from you.

You are very glib with your false accusations – was this your Police training! Perhaps substantiate the accusation or be man enough to appologise.

I bet EE loves to see you post on his blog. It really does his credibility a lot of good (Not)

Perhaps if you were not so ridiculously inaccurate and constantly abusive you might be taken seriously!

AS the coward GLW doesn’t allow anyone to dispute his lies on his blog,

That I have comments turned off on my Newsletter Blog at:
http://CaterPillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com is NOT cowardice as you well know – I just don’t have time to address the plethora of idiots who would use funny names to be abusive on there and I provide my eMail on my BLOG and respond to intelligent postings on a public basis.

Unlike you who selectively censor comment on your YouTube site dishonestly & cowardly!

and given EE gives him a voice here I thought I would ask which Swindon he was referring to in this post:

Clearly in normal parlance Swindon is the scroffulous little town just North of Marlborough on the M4 corridor.

In the … (CUT for Brevity) …sible!.

There is after all several Swindons, one in Gloucestershire,
one in Staffordshire, one in Northumberland and of course one in Wiltshire.

There are indeed:
Swindon Gloucestershire is a SUBURB of Cheltenham though with its own village hall!

Which Swindon comes to mind when Swindon is named on the National News?

So which one had the meeting,

Who said there had BEEN a meeting?

given th …SNIPPED FOR BREVITY …ruary.

So GLW please state which Swindon

I suggest that YOU go to Swindon Northumberland!

Or ask someone to explain to you, as all who are coming to Swindon plan on using their intelligence!

Just for the record the Swindon Wiltshire group are loyal to the leadership. They are of course concerned that the harm being done by Knapmans letter, but most are voting Yes (according to those who have expressed a view) to the amendments.

How sad to see that Swindon Branch have opted to support corruption, dishonesty and lies – a clearly unpatriotic set of values – possibly the influence of so many foreigners in Swindon!

The BFM then responded to JUNIUS:

And your an odious cowardly parasite who makes a living and then bite the hand that feeds you.

Did you mean bites? Have you any any provenance that those who post as JUNIUS bite the hand that FEEDS them in their patriotic efforts to expose the corruption in EUkip?

If not an appology would be apposite.

Nothing I have written here or anywhere else is a lie. Please highlight which post on here is a lie.

I think you will find JUNIUS is merely alluding to the general lack of rigour in your postings relative to fact, accuracy or the truth and your anti British support of EUkip and corruption.

Would it be a lie to say that Mr Edmond is party to a secret meeting to be held on Saturday, which is purported to be about the harmonisation of those in favour of with drawing from Europe, but apparently those that know have been told not to reveal it.

In your paranoia you couldn’t possibly mean the meeting in Swindon as advertised on my Blog at:
http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/2009/01/246-uk-renewal-association-ltd.html
and of course in numerous other places copies of which have been supplied to almost all of the leadership and NEC of EUkip and specifically sent to Arnott, Harris, Alison and many others.

Are you surprised you were left out of the loop by your puppet masters?

Or that the organiser of this meeting is a former UKIP senior official, or that several speakers are UKIP PPC’s or MEP candidates. Would that be a lie, also.

Is this a question or a continuation of your paranoid fantasies?

No one has for a moment kept any of this secret – the agenda is readily available and therte will be an honest report afterwards unlike the drivel EUkip puts out on meetings or the fantasy represented by EUkip NEC meeting minutes!

You will note that it takes time to respond to idiots and to encourage them on my blog would be a gross waste of time – since my blog is merely to publish the truth and expose corruption in a patriotic manner to actively seek exit from the EU and to publish my opinions.

You have several Blogs I note.

Why not post your scurrilous accusation and paranoid anti British activities there.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

05 February 2009 13:23

Eric Edmond said…
I do wish BobFM could make up his mind if I am in the BNP or Libertas I have only been in one party all my life that I know of but Bob obviously knows better than I do.

05 February 2009 14:03

Junius said…
The event is NOT by special invitation.

You are clearly to cowardly to attend the meeting and are desperate to provide an excuse not to go – just like Farage.

The agenda can be found on my blog http://www.juniusonukip.blogspot.com/ and on the British Democracy Forum.

05 February 2009 15:26

Greg L-W. said…

Hi,

JUNIUS is quite right there has been loads of info. and I started commenting on it in detail on my Blog on 24-Jan-2009 having known about the registration of the Limited Company back in November as I recall.

The BFM must have been so carried away with his ego centric obsession and ducking to avoid the truth that he clearly missed it.

It is clear that he would have nothing to offer this new organisation and he is obsessed with his unpatriotic cover up of corruption and support for the discreditted leadership of EUkip.

It is my opinion that the crass behaviour of discreditted supporters like Andreasen, McGough, The BFM, Croucher, Reeve, NuttAll, Zucherman, Bannerman, Titford, Smith and their ilk will be the downfall of Farage’s dwindling party and without the income from the scam he will soon leave!

Just so as many people as possible know about this meeting in Swindon that The BFM has not noticed (showing just how out of the loop he is and isolated) I have published even more details on my Blog.

One must be pleased that The BFM has brought it to the attention of the local media and I’m sure they will be made most welcome – I hope he has made it very clear he has absolutely nothing to do with the meeting as that might be something of a mill stone as many of his supporters are to the undeniably corrupt Farage.

To address some of the hapless BFM’s fantasies directly, which are from his comments above and are in italics:

Also we see on the Common man that Haslam has rather shot himself in the ‘holier than though’ foot.

Since the web site quoted posts annonimously and is utterly discreditted – few read it save its authors as they preen I would have thought.

It is discreditted as the authors do not believe in their own scurrilous fantasies to put their names to them.

To date every item mailed to me for clarification by honest people seeking provenance or comment would seem to be either a lie or a gross distortion of a snippet of fact – thus the site can be discounted as fundamentally dishonest and as EUkip’s hole gets deeper it would seem they dig harder to damage EUkip!

By all means read it to see just how fundamentally corrupt and unpleasant EUkip supporters are, when measured against the truth.

In December of last year, Mr Haslam invited a number of people to a meeting at a location in West Sussex.

I understand this is as ever a grain of truth distorted most dishonestly and libelously.

I am given to understand that Martin Hasslam who I know to be rather a politically naive but utterly decent sort – who has put a great deal of both his time and his money into UKIP to be most unpleasantly duped by the egregious filth that now runs EUkip.

I understand that not only was he ‘set up’ in a style not disimilar to the poor chap tucked up by our corrupt police for the Rachel Nickel murder.

I understand that Buster Motram a long term friend and associate of Farage’s was a primary speaker at the event, which I believe Martin Hasslam WAS INVITED TO – without knowledge of whom his host was inviting.

I understand Martin Hasslam had no prior knowledge that there were to be speakers, one of whom is a regular escort of Farage’s cousin. That Griffin of the BNP was to be present I do not believe Martin Hasslam had the vaguest clue about.

May I remind you that firstly it is I believe an offence under law to repeat a libel, or untruth with intent to damage an individual.

That said few are aware of just how revolting are the BNP and it would be a sad world that we may become like the EU where unwitting association would seem to be a crime.

It could be argued, much as Griffin and his revolting party disgust me, that he has done less harm to our Country than have Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw and their ilk – we note that the liar and cheat McGough – also associates with Farage and the communist Jack Straw who when in office as Home Secretary endeavoured to cover for his brother, in abuse of his office, who had been sexually abusing his 14 year old son and as a result of Jack Straw’s intervention went on to assault a minor and sexually harass the daughter of family friends – does that make McGough a pederast as well as a liar and a cheat?

I think not!

After the recriminations following Mr Haslams ejection from the NEC, those present were more than a little surprised to discover that the first speaker was one Buster Mottram. This was nothing compared to the stunned silence when the second speaker was introduced, for it was none other than one Mr N Griffin, BNP leader.

I believe you will agree even if this was true, which I do not believe it is – no crime has been committed.

I well recall being asked by Griffin if he could attend as a guest at a Training Weekend I was holding – I stated he was welcome as long as he respected the chairman and other guests present and the fact that I would personally renounce his party.

I had no fear of Griffin and was of the opinion that my factual knowledge would be a match for his jingo any day.

He stated the reason he wished to attend was to learn more about The EU so that his party could better address an exit strategy.

I would welcome debate with Griffin to expose the dishonesty of his party and the lack of principle of its foundations in evil and its unwillingness to announce its succour for ritual murder for entertainment.

The dishonest and the corrupt like yourself Bob Feel Martinis have endeavoured to link my name with the BNP as you have with many other lies and dishonesties you have been willing to promote.

It is also suggested that Edmond is to defect to Libertas. Rather an odd thing to do given that that party is about remaining in Europe.

I believe that you will find you are unable to substantiate this and as for my position regarding Declan Ganley’s duplicitous anti women’s rights, religious based Irish Party you will note my comments on:
http://LibertasUK.BLOGspot.com

All in all the pigeons are coming home to roost, it seems the party leadership was right to take the actions they have over the last few months.

Indeed the pidgeons do seem to be coming home to roost and they seem to be defecating all over your parade – a downside risk of being a useful idiot in support of self serving dishonesty and corruption.

I wonder how the others who signed the NO letter are feeling, having clearly been so badly betrayed by those they supported.

I believe they will be signing NO if they are honest and know enough to know just how dishonest the divisive and self serving attempt to change the constitution and shelter from the financial folly of their behaviour behind a Limited Company.

That all of the signators to the letter signed by Sir Richard Body, Roger Knapman MEP, Prof. Tim Condon, Dr. David Abbott, Dr. Eric Edmond and others signed I am aware of many many more who would have signed it and unlike those who signed Farage’s scam they would have done so with pride rather than bullied, lied to or out of weakness greed or sycophancy.

Consider weak and duplicitous idiots like Batten who does not realise he has signed the instrument of his own excorriation. That such as Denny has signed it he has already been proven a liar, a cheat and corrupt such that he was dumped as untrustworthy by the NEC at one stage but is still there as a nodding donkey for Farage – he would sign anything Farage put under his nose with the ready glee of Mr. Bronco and the document would have the same validity.

I wonder could you confine yourself to fact BFM rather than your dishonest wheedling aggression if you expect further clarification of your misunderstandings.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

05 February 2009 18:51

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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#269* – John WEST to Ma ZUCHERMAN 03-Feb-2009

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/02/2009

#269* – John WEST to Ma ZUCHERMAN 03-Feb-2009

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

John WEST’s to Ma ZUCHERMAN 03-Feb-2009 – PARTICULARLY INTERESTING AS I HAVE ALSO BEEN MAILED THE REST OF THE CORRESPONDENCE WHICH CLEARLY SHOWS Ma ZUCHERMAN, Jeffrey TITFORD & OTHERS TO BE TELLING LIES AND COLLUDING in what seems to be WITNESS/LITIGANT INTIMIDATION!

May I remind all who read this that when I have time I shall of course be publishing the provenance of the lies from members of EUkip’s leadership and NEC.

In the interim I am publishing a copy of West’s letter mailed to me by an NEC member who is putting it in the public domain to ensure Ma Zucherman does not try to pretend he did not receive it.

Knowing that Ma Zucherman is underhand, duplicitous and without honour or integrity these steps are taken to avoid EUkip getting into yet more of a mess in the name of its unfortunate abused members!

3/2/9

Regarding your letter dated 21/1/9

Dear Mr Zuckerman,

1. I have never received a copy of J. Titford’s complaint. The first letter I received from you concerning this matter was dated 27th November 2008.

To this day I have still not received a copy of J. Titford’s complaint. How can I possibly defend myself when I don’t even know the charges? Are you not aware that the defendant has a right to see the charges made against him?

I suggest that you read the Party’s Complaints Procedure 2.6 as you seem unaware of current party rules.

2. In your letter dated 4th December 2008 you state that a certain Ian Smith was a member of the Discipline Panel that decided that J. Titford’s complaint against me was ‘substantive’. I understand that this Mr Smith is the same Ian Smith who attended a UKIP meeting held in Newmarket on 27th October 2008. This meeting was organised and chaired by Martin Harvey.

At this meeting Mr Smith publicly accused me of attempting to sell my story about Jeffrey Titford to several national newspapers. This allegation was and is completely false.

Mr Smith was clearly prejudiced as far as I was concerned. He should have declared an interest when J.Titford’s complaint was discussed by the Discipline Panel and immediately stood down from the panel. His failure to do so completely invalidates the whole disciplinary process.

I think that you find that rule 1.6 of the Discipline Panel rules states that ‘discipline panel members shall be disqualified from dealing with any complaint in which they are required to give evidence, or where there is a close connection with either the complainant or the respondent’.

3.In your letter dated 19th December you stated that I had until 31st December to give you a list of dates to avoid in February. You were informed in my letter dated 24th December that I was unable to attend any meetings in February. I note that you now claim not to have received this letter. However, despite being told that I cannot make the meeting ( I am attending a NHS Trust Governor’s meeting on 9th February) you still insist on going ahead with it.

It is against all natural justice to refuse to adjoin the hearing if the defence cannot attend. The guiding principle when deciding upon an adjournment should be to observe fairness to both sides and in not offering me an adjournment on my first application seems to fly in the face of fairness. As a solicitor I am surprised that you are unaware of this.

4. On 28th January I spoke to Neil Thomson of Olaf. He has confirmed to me that Chelmsford Police have passed on Jeffrey Titford’s police file to his office for evaluation. The case number is OF/2008/0764. Mr Thomson also confirmed that I can expect to be called as a prosecution witness if Olaf decide to proceed with the case.

Mr Titford is now using UKIP’s internal disciplinary process to intimidate a potential prosecution witness. He has also used the solicitors Gepp & Sons in another attempt to intimidate me over this issue -I can show you their letter if you wish.

As a solicitor you will know that intimidation of a witness is a very serious matter. As you appear to be aiding him in this attempted intimidation I shall be making a formal complaint about you and J.Titford to The Law Society if this matter continues.

5. You are already the subject of a serious complaint made by me to the Solicitors Regulation Authority. You and the other NEC members were told by me at November’s NEC meeting that I intended to make such a complaint. I personally handed a letter to Paul Nuttall informing him of this.

In view of this complaint it is my submission that you are not sufficiently unbiased to supervise J. Titford`s complaint against me and you should hand over the conduct of the proceedings to an unbiased party.

I put you on notice that I reserve the right to take action against you through the disciplinary processes of the party if you continue to supervise and take part in these proceedings.

6. As a member of the NEC you are the subject of serious complaints to The Information Commissioners Office ( case number RFA0208845) and Suffolk Police (OF/08/427) This concerns my MEP video interview which was illegally placed on Youtube. You were aware that these complaints were taking place as they were raised by Del Young, Eric Edmond and David Abbott at several NEC meetings. You were present at these meetings. You were also informed of my complaints via email.

These complaints were made prior to J. Titford’s complaint.

Again these matters would automatically raise the question of your impartiality.

7. As a member of UKIP’s NEC you are also the subject of another serious complaint made by me to the Information Commissioners Office. The case number is RFA 0221840 This concerns the failure of Paul Nuttall and the NEC to supply me with documents as requested under Section 7 of the Data Protection Act.

This again automatically raises the question of your impartiality .

8. On 17th February I will be attending a pre-hearing at Ipswich County Court. This concerns my request for the return of my £250 deposit. As a member of UKIP’s NEC you were jointly responsible for the decision to refuse to return my deposit. Again you have failed to declare an interest in this matter and raises the question of your impartiality.

In conclusion I formally request that the Disciplinary Committee be made aware of the various complaints I have made about you, Nigel Farage, Paul Nuttall and UKIP’s NEC to the Police, Law Society, Information Commissioners Office and Ipswich County Court.

The Disciplinary Committee should also be made aware that their involvement in such a hearing could be regarded by the courts and the police as attempted intimidation of a witness and a litigant. As a solicitor I trust that you will warn them of the possible legal and financial implications if they continue to involve themselves in this matter.

I require that a copy of this letter by given to each member of the Disciplinary Panel.

Yours sincerely,

John West

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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