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#258* – Dr. David ABBOTT NEC Elected Member’s LETTER

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/02/2009

#258* – Dr. David ABBOTT NEC Elected Member’s LETTER

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Dr. David ABBOTT Elected NEC Member HAS SENT A LETTER ADVISING MEMBERS TO VOTE NO TO CORRUPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION!

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PLEASE NOTE:
Contrary to the dishonesty and lies of members of The Faragista Fan Club particularly in this instance the clearly and deliberately dishonest Bob Feel Martinis – Dr. David Abbott had no more part in my posting his letter on this Blog than did the untrustworthy self seekers Farage, NuttAll and their dishonest cronies request I acted to tell the truth about their underhand duplicity.

Understand a FACT – I would rather be subject of my enemies in a vassal state centrally controlled by those enemies in Brusells who I would thus be justified to take ANY action I choose to oppose as an undemocratic occupying force in MY COUNTRY than be represented by utterly corrupt and dishonest individuals like the present and future listed crop of EUkip undesirables.

If the party does not have a total change of leadership – TOTAL – I shall actively campaign against them on principle, just as I campaign and act against The EU.

I have no great expectation of sucess in my opposition to the EU peacefully in my lifetime as like Farage they do not recognise nor understand ethics, integrity, morality, loyalty, probity, justice nor Democracy.

It is interesting to note how few of our politicians who betray us can trace their ancestry as British further than a couple of generations as with Milliband, Letwin, Farage, Bob Feel Martinis, and many more and now Farage seeks dishonestly to foist the duplicitous and discreditted Danish born, Argentinian married, Spanish resident political prostitute Andreasen on EUkip members.

Whilst on the subject of ‘members’ he also seeks to embroil EUkip in the behaviour of Gawain Tower as widely discussed and also published by his wife! Farage went as far as to call a meeting of himself calling it The Political Committee padded with those he owns to overturn by unconstitutional dictat the democratic decisions of the region this revolting little man pretends to represent.

Gawain Towler brings shame on the party and it is little wonder he is Farage’s choice!
ADDITION Made for clarification At 01-Feb-09 at 16:00hrs.
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Hi,

Here is another letter #05 in the series about the attempt to disenfranchise members and take control with less liability by The Faragista Fan Club.

Dr. David Abbott has proved to be a determined, honest and reliable member, supporter and elected member of The NEC of EUkip.

David with his huge international experience as a Medical Doctor was the only individual in the leadership with the qualifications to authoratitively speak out on Medicine, Health Service drugs and the NHS. David is a man of determination and totally trustworthy – a tremendous assett to UKIP.

However David has been vilified, lied about, defamed by some of the lowest of the low in his determination to see through the task he commenced with UKIP, where he has made enemies amongst the corrupt and the dishonest on the NEC and leadership who would seem to be determined to silence debate, kontrol UKIP. To have the timerity to question the validity of THE accounts, policy, accounts would seem to be all that is needed to ensure the hit squad seeks to destroy you!

Consider what David has said from his stature as an elected NEC member of EUkip:


Here is David’s letter:

Dear UKIP member

Today you have likely received the constitution changes that are proposed by the leadership. These have to approved by two thirds of the voting members to take effect.

A couple of days ago you may have received a letter from Sir Richard Body, Tim Congdon , Roger Knapman, two former treasurers and some NEC members as to why it is vital that these changes are voted down.

We usually think that our leaders know what they are doing and vote as they suggest. Do not do so on this occasion! Please vote NO on all the proposed constitution changes. They are designed to further cement the leader’s control over all aspects of our party.

Here is one example of how the new rules could seriously damage the party:

Under both the existing and the proposed constitution the leader appoints the chairman, and the chairman serves at the pleasure of the leader.

Proposed rule change 14.3 will allow the chairman to lodge a complaint against any member. The chairman will always do this if the leader wants him to, his job depends on it. There doesn’t have to be any basis for the complaint. For example merely asking questions is counted as ‘disruptive
behaviour’ and can precipitate a complaint, especially if the questions concern the accounts.

Under the new rules the member will then be suspended from all party offices and candidatures, even thought he may subsequently be found to be innocent.

Lets look at one possible example. Trevor Colman was the top MEP candidate chosen by members in the SW, by far. Say he has a false complaint made against him. If the new constitution is in place, he could be removed as lead MEP candidate in the South West. (And probably replaced by a candidate who had never made the mistake of questioning the leader). By the time his disciplinary hearing comes up, the closing date for MEP lists is over…

Hundreds of other scenarios can be thought of, and I won’t enumerate them here. All the proposed changes will take power from the members and concentrate it in the hands of the party leader and his appointees. Our leader has learnt a lot from his eight years in the corridors of power in Brussels and Strasbourg.

If you believe in democracy, if you want our party to be a beacon of of British decency, a broad church where dissenting opinion is not always snuffed out, the best way to vote on the four constitution changes is NO NO NO NO.

Please do it now while you are thinking about it. And make a note of your ‘sequentially numbered ballot’ number.

Best wishes

David

David F Abbott MRCP
Kingsmere Meadow
Shawford
Winchester
SO21 2BL
United Kingdom

+44(0)1962.714413

http://www.britsattheirbest.com/

Good luck David.

TO LEAVE THE EU

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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#257* – The BFM, The CORRUPT & The LETTERS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 01/02/2009

#257* – The BFM, The CORRUPT & The LETTERS

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

The BFM: British Fascist Movement, The CORRUPT NEC Leadership & its supporters & The LETTERS!

Hi,

Just to make it VERY, VERY simple
for the confused,
aliens and
the educationally challenged.

It would seem that there has been a Fascist style attempt to seize control and centralise power dishonestly and corruptly in EUkip – Is EUkip reforming as The British Fascist Movement in its management style?

It is a frequent indication of a weak leader, without the ability to command respect that they gather around them the corrupt, the dishonest and the self seekers beholden either by their dishonesty or their greed to the failed leader.

Nigel Farage ticks the boxes – 10 years or so ago I openly predicted that if Farage ever tried to gain leadership of UKIP he would destroy the party he had helped to set up as a career move after the failure of his efforts to build a career in The City. A Barrow Boy with all the cunning and the quick lip of ‘The Flim Flam Man’. Nigel Farage lacks any visible leadership skills, has no basic Officer Qualities, no vision, zero ethics and his integrity and morality seem non existent.

Contrary to his propaganda Farage was NOT elected as leader he spent a huge amount of Party money launching his bid for leadership and even then was reliant on the lies of HIS Press Office and the undeniable dishonesty and corruption of Annabelle Fuller and Mark Croucher. The process was so dishonest and corrupt that Douglas Denny the then Party Secretary was fired by the NEC as Returning Officer for the election as he had acted dishonestly and had corrupted the election process acting for Farage – then Geoffrey Kingscott was appointed and abrogated on his duty failing to act against unarguable corruption and dishonesty by the press office working for Farage.

It is also worth noting that Moran, Lott, Carver, Mickelthwaite and other officers of the party posted out dishonest and corrupting lies using EUkip resources and their position. Similarly Alan Bown funded an utterly corrupt sales brochure to every member in support of Farage, even dishonestly implying BNP membership to those opposed to Farage and one of the other candidates.

Farage lacking any fundamental principles or morality made no effort to redress this dishonesty and having no shame, lies and permits it to be claimed that he was in any sense elected!

Now there is the effort to centralise the control of the party yet further upheld by some of the most revolting, dishonest and corrupt individuals in positions of any authority. The efforts to further disenfranchise the members is supported by the dishonest, corrupt and self seeking NEC & Leadership.

Farage has gathered around him liars and the corrupt like his puppet/placeman the unelected NuttAll, and others including Bannerman, Duffy, Oxley, Reeve, Malcolm Wood, Ma Zucherman, Christopher Gill, Alan Bown, Titford, Moran, Denny, Smith, McGough, Feel-Martinis, Batten, Clarke, Bloom, Booth, Seymore etc. a claque of people beneath contempt in their dishonesty and corruption in support of Farage and the destruction of the EUroSceptic movement for their own gain.

Let Us Consider The Letters So Far:

LETTER 01:

Aware that there was to be a Faragista Fan Club attempt to centralise power in the hands of the corrupt and self serving leadership of EUkip a letter was penned and provided to EACH of its eventual signators:
Sir Richard Body, was MP for 39 years
Tim Congdon CBE, leading economist
Roger Knapman MEP, former Party Leader and MP
Dr. Eric Edmond, elected NEC member
Piers Merchant, former UKIP Chief Executive and MP
Bruce Lawson FCA, former UKIP Treasurer
Martin Haslam FCA, former UKIP deputy treasurer
Del Young, elected NEC member
Dr. David Abbott, elected NEC member

NO ONE ELSE was asked to put their name to it – neither Trevor Colman so as not to embarrass him (it is my opinion he would not have signed as it might have compromised his personal ambitions), nor was it passed to Batten as he would have lacked the principles or the integrity to sign it based on his track record of ‘bottling out’ and his dishonesty.

This letter was to have been mailed out to arrive WITH the NEC’s corrupt letter.

LETTER 02:

An utterly shameful attempt, reliant on what Farage calls the ‘Armchair Members’ who are ill informed on the corruption and schism in EUkip, know nothing of the collapse in membership, the multiple Court cases EUkip and its MEPs are facing. Those who know nothing of EUkip but have loyalty to the foolish belief that EUkip is in some way similar to UKIP.

This was the letter forced through the NEC supplying members with VERY little guidance merely the changes – it failed to point out that it was to excercise control and prevent democratic representation and opinions of members, it also resulted in the obscene concept that in collusion with his placeman the unarguably corrupt and dishonest NuttAll Farage could, if it is passed, fire any member merely on his behest without any checks or balances – just as he has appointed the corrupt and the dishonest who are willing to prostitute their reputations to support his ambitions.

This letter also promotes the conversion of EUkip to a Limited Company fortunately Ma Zucherman was previously prevented from ripping off the party I understand he had tried to claim an allowance of £10,000 to carry out this function which an amateur like him can do on line for under £100 – the members have Del Young to thank for blocking this dishonesty as I recall. The eventual cost allowed for this £100 task was an eye watering £5,000 – I am glad my solicitor doesn’t make £4,900 profit on a £100 job!

Having established beyond any doubt that EUkip is corrupt and its NEC and leadership profligate if not downright dishonest with other people’s money – may I present a scenario:
Farage with a Limited Company raises many loans in sums of £50 – £100,000 each on the pretext of using it for the elections – he then banks the money in his Isle of Man ‘Farage Educational Trust’ – the election goes badly – Farage isn’t elected or only 1>3 MEPs are elected – Farage decides to leave EUkip.

What of the debt which could be yet another £1,000,000 missing!

Is this now the debt of a Limited Company?

Do the NEC stand guarantee?

Will the members own the company and thus be liable for the debt?

A measure of the total dishonesty and irresponsibility of EUkip’s leadership and NEC is their failure to provide such details in fact. It is the easiest thing in the world now to publish the FULL details as a Google Doc or even on the Web Site for all to see and analyse – it is easy to post with a blog or forum for each stanza of the proposed changes. Then mail out an abstract with links.

Then we note amongst the dishonest and corrupting changes there is now no undertaking of a debate and discussion with vote on the accounts.

We have noted well over £1,000,000 has been identified by amateurs that would seem to have been ‘trousered’ from the accounts and EUkip doesn’t even have a credible British Treasurer yet has a track record of firing or forcing out anyone who dares to ask questions or criticise the utter lack of financial probity and the possible embezzlement of large sums of money.

I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MEMBER OF ANY INTEGRITY WOULD DREAM OF GIVING THESE SCHEISTERS ON IOTA OF EXTRA POWER they have abused every aspect of their authority to date.

VOTE: NO

LETTER 03:

In a panic The Faragista Fan Club have tried to publish a rebuttal of Letter #01 – they have failed abysmally and I do not believe the claimed signators:
Nigel Farage MEP (Party Leader)
David Campbell Bannerman (Deputy Leader)
Paul Nuttall (Party Chairman)
Rachel Oxley (Party vice-Chairman)
Jonathan Arnott (General Secretary)
Mike Zuckerman (Party Secretary)
Marta Andreasen (Party Treasurer)
David Challice (Head Office Manager)
Lisa Duffy (Young Independence Co-ordinator)
Mike Nattrass MEP
Godfrey Bloom MEP
John Whittaker MEP
Derek Clark MEP
Gerard Batten MEP
Alan Bown
Jeffrey Titford MEP
Cllr Jill Seymour (NEC Member)
Douglas Denny (NEC Member)

EVERY SINGLE one of the signators above have proved beyond any shadow of doubt to be dishonest, corrupt and self seeking. They detract from the validity of their comments. Liars, cheats, corrupt and dishonest to a man, having colluded in the corruption of EUkip’s leadership and NEC.

Every individual on that list knows they have absolutely no grounds on which to defend themselves they can not sue me as my statement is 100% accurate and individually and collectively provable.

Bob Spink MP
Lord Willoughby de Broke (UKIP Peer)
Firstly Bob Spink MP is NOT a EUkip MP he is a turncoat Tory who stands as an Independent.

I do not believe that either Spink or Lord de Broke were party to the detail of this letter – consider alone the last sentence – I do not believe they would put their name to such an idiotic comment.

EUkip has absolutely no respect for The Data Protection Act and to my knowledge are facing legal challenge by both The Data Protection Commissioner & The Information Commission separately and are subject themselves of several Police Enquiries, with regard to Data Protection!

I can assure these little chappies that the authors of the 01 letter have NOT used the official data base and in that they have put their name to that statement I incline to believe them. I can also assure all and sundry they have NOT used my current mailing list & data nor the one I used for the mail out when I managed to get Jeffrey Titford elected with two mail outs to every UKIP member of the time first with the letter Bill Jamieson & Christopher Booker wrote and a second time with an eMail I wrote and printed out of facts about UKIP & the candidates.

Jeffrey Titfords undeniable dishonesty, particularly his provable lies about John West made seemingly as a EUkip approved attempt to intimidate a witness, is a disgrace as was his dishonest interference in the corrupt MEP selection that that useless and dishonest Christopher Gill has aided corruption and Farage has condoned it. That Ma Zucherman is also embroilling himself in the witness intimidation and lies is a sad reflection on EUkip as he is allegedly a solicitor and IS the party secretary!

VOTE NO & stop these petty crooks.

LETTER 04:

The authors of letter 01 have written a rebuttal of the lies of Letter 03.

For more details of this series of letters see:

#256* – EUkip CONSTITUTIONAL SCAM IS FASCIST

I shall also shortly be posting a 5th. letter on the matter signed by Dr. David Abbott an honest and reliable long term supporter of UKIP, who has dishonestly been lied about and removed from his elected post representing members on The NEC.

I am also aware that Christopher Gill has mailed out a very demeaning letter which shows him for what he is – a vicious disloyal, underhand and thoroughly unpleasant individual – do remember it was he who commenced the process of dishonesty and corruption in the EUkip selection process for MEPs – Christopher Gill was always an irrelevance in the Tory Party.

He was as thick as a brick at Shrewsbury and then coasting on his family’s wealth went into politics, where despite his priveleged income and position he never even made PUSSy, was not bright enough to ever be able to present his own agriculture and food beliefs. Christopher Gill has always been a waste of space and when he left the Tories and took over The Freedom Association there was a groan of dispair amongst those who supported TFA and knew about Gill.

We were right and in no time flat he had dragged its name in the political gutter and it had to be put in the hands of someone more reputable and in that that was the self serving Roger Helmer, outspoken supporter of Tom Wise says it all! People thought Gill was even worse!

I will publish a copy of Gill’s poison pen letter when one comes to hand. Meanwhile he will be aware that I know of his underhand behaviour behind Farage’s back during the leadership election – Christopher Gill has proved to be a man without loyalty, honour or integrity a man beneath contempt and a liar.

VOTE NO! To these dishonest people and their corrupt changes.

We expect a stream of vile and unfounded investive from the usual suspects like Bob F-M, Denny, McTrough, Croucher & Joshua Nylons and his various silly names on Anthony Butcher’s dishonourable propaganda list for EUkip aided by the undeniably dishonest Brendan Padmore.

TO LEAVE THE EU

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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