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#164* – EUkip & Extemism – A Conversation

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/11/2008

#164* – EUkip & Extemism – A Conversation

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

A CONVERSATION FROM ANTHONY BUTCHER’S FORUM
@ http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/

Hi,

I felt this converstion which I had with a Forum member who is an avowed Tory (should I say has admitted to being?) was worthy of a wider audience.

I reproduce it here as it opens up some different lines of thought relative to EUkip.

There are a few alterations to make it clearer and to aid visually.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
Greg, although Im a Conservative Im also cencerned about the way that Gary is being victimised. He hasnt posted for days so may have been intimidated.

However before I take this further I would like the confirmation of you or anybody else “in the know” that Gary was never in the racist NF

I presume NF is National Front in this instance NOT Nigel Farage!

I believe that Gary is ‘Advised’ not to post.

I am of the opinion that Gary WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL FRONT.

I believe that is why the coward & bully Mike Smith has NOT identified him as such.

There is a Gary Cartwright listed in the National Front membership lists but in completely the wrong part of Britain relative to the ex RAF Gary Cartwright.

I believe STRESS BELIEVE (as I can not substantiate it) that shortly after leaving the RAF the Gary Cartwright in UKIP (not the brightest of bunnies as he supports Tom Wise currently under arrest and on bail for fraud, money laundering and other offences as made known by Bedfordshire Constabulary and published widely in the media and also exposed as a dullard and without integrity by the NotW.)

Gary seems a likeable individual and gets brownie points in my book for his Military service; shortly after that I understand he had a brief dalliance with the organisation led by Ian Anderson who publishes The Flag. It is a right wing organisation but NOT with the obscene racist and anti Jewish extremism of the National Front – it was because of the views of the NF that Ian Anderson broke away from The NF.

When the schism came in the NF those of the Tyndall persuasion went with John Tyndal to The BNP where they refuse to denounce and disassociate themselves from the extremist American White Supremacists who have made a ritual entertainment over the years of the hanging and dragging of 4-5,000, mostly young men, based on their colour. Nor will the BNP renounce the funding by the extreme anti Jewish Lady Birdwood.

I understand that it was due to these extremist views that Ian Anderson set up his party denouncing the NF and thus The BNP. I believe Gary Cartwright WAS with Anderson’s organisation for a year or so as he searched out a means of opposing membership of The EU.I apologise in advance if I have any of these details wrong, but that is to the besyt of my knowledge on these specifics. I had always believed that Ian Andersons organisation was a great deal less racist and extreme than Dennis Delderfield’s Party, which I refused to join when asked over lunch with Dennis in Chepstow, when he came to see me one day, some years ago.

I wonder whether you have sufficient influence ‘Torytruth’ to have Mike Smith adopted back into The Tories without the right to multiple memberships, because it would help in the cleaning up of EUkip no end.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
Greg. I’m fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.

May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even “corrupt”)

How quaint!
Not really fair, UKIP was in the main.
Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.

Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.

The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts.

The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.

There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.

The ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!

The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.

One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.

You may well say so.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?

Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.

Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
I’m pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright

I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.
Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.

I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?

I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?

I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.

QUOTE=Torytruth
Greg. I’m fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.

May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!

QUOTE=Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even “corrupt”)

How quaint!
Not really fair – UKIP was in the main.

Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.

Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.

The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts. The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.

There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.

The Faragista ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!

The ‘Kristell Nacht’ is underway at the moment with bullying and intimidation by Farage’s place men and bully boys and the night of the long knives to seize total Kontrol is planned, we believe, for late January or early February.The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.

QUOTE=Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.

You may well say so.

QUOTE=Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?

Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well, with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.

QUOTE=Torytruth
I’m pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright

I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!

QUOTE=Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.

QUOTE=Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?

I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!

QUOTE=Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?

I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!

For clarification:
Just for clarification I believe that Dennis Delderfield’s rather unpleasant little organisation is NEW BRITAIN and was, possibly still is, allied to the morally reprehensible Political side of The Springbok Club which I understand to support apartheid.

For Further Clarification:
(c/o Wiki)
This article is about the political party which split away from the British National Front. For the Northern Irish political party, see National Democrats (Northern Ireland).

The National Democrats is a right wing nationalist party in the United Kingdom that has campaigned vigorously against immigration and asylum. According to the 2007 accounts filed with the Electoral Commission it had two members, which must be presumed to be its leader Ian Anderson and its treasurer Stephen Ebbs.

FormationThe party was formed in 1995 when members of the National Front decided to change the name to the National Democrats. 72% of the membership voted for the change in a postal ballot. Some members opposed the change and carried on political activity as the National Front.The party noticeably moderated the policies of the NF in an attempt to win more popular appeal and avoid allegations of “extremism”.

However I am open to correction.

I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country:

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#163* – EUkip Few Friends, No Dosh & Less Brains

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/11/2008

#163* – EUkip Few Friends, No Dosh & Less Brains

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

EUkip SHAVING COSTS & STAFF AND CUTTING OFF INTELLIGENCE & FUNDING!

Hi,

I note with interest that as ever EUkip fail to source this article on their OAFFicial Blog, so it is of no value or substance!
Have they got a clue on ANYTHING?

Climate: UK toes the Brussels line as usual
Thursday, 27th November 2008
The Germans have expressed doubts about it, the Italians have threatened to veto it, much of Eastern Europe is against it but – predictably – the British government has fallen into line behind Brussels on the EU’s ludicrous and unachievable scheme to “fight climate change.”
Our minister of state for energy and climate change, Mike O’Brien, says: “We do not believe the global economic downturn justifies postponing action on climate change until stability returns. The case for strong and early action remains robust under the current economic situation.”That means the UK is signing up to the plan to reduce European carbon dioxide emissions by 20% from 1990 levels by 2020, to increase energy efficiency by 20% and to source 20% of power from renewable sources such as wind or solar.Mr O’Brien says countries such as Germany, Italy and Poland are “doom mongering” when they raise fears that sticking to the unrealistically ambitious plan will further damage European industry and the economy as the world sinks into recession.That has not stopped German conservative politicians lobbying Chancellor Angela Merkel – one of the prime movers of the scheme – to delay it and reduce its targets. Nor has it changed the determination of Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi to reject the plan at an EU summit next month.The Italian employers’ organisation Confindustria believes the plan will cost the country up to €27 billion euros, which is more than double the guesstimate given by the EU Commission has estimated Italy’s cost at less than one-half of that amount.Poland and six other European Union newcomers are also opposed to the scheme, which they say would mean ruinously increased costs for their industries.Brussels must be delighted to know it can still rely on the British to go along with whatever the Commission wants – and even “improve” on it.
Back to Brussels Insider

OK so maybe it was written in house – that’s OK so put a name to it, was it the maunderings of ???? or an authoratitive and informed individual?

Surely even EUkip could hustle around and find a competent author for such material – If UKIP still existed perhaps Robin Page would suffice if they don’t have a climatologist or qualified scientist.

I appreciate that with EUkip having infiltrated the party and dragged it into the gutter it is unlikely they could find an individual of substance they got rid of most of the brains in the Party:

Dr. Richard North

Dr. Eric Edmond

Dr. Abbott

for example and it is noted that:

Professor Tim Condon

Dr. Robert Spink MP (Tory Turn Coat)

Lord Pearson

Lord Willoughby de Broke

rarely badge anything to UKIP let alone EUkip.

Even the chaotic and bad tempered fool Dr. Wittaker has fallen out with them after being forced to put his name to lies for Farage!

I wonder if The Earl’s Mater permits him to sign things – though besides spend what little money Mater gives him and his lack lustre time at Eton he probably doesn’t know much about anything and as a speaker it is all about his favourite subject!!

Does ANYONE of substance support EUkip or just that sad put upon ex bookie?
Surely there must be the odd parasite or hanger on who is looking for preferment!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#162* – EUkip PAY THIS BRIGHT SPARK!!!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/11/2008

#162* – EUkip PAY THIS BRIGHT SPARK!!!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

EUkip PIGS SEE THIS CATASTROPHY AS A JOKE!!

Hi,

This, rather embarrassingly is from EUkip’s OAFFicial Blog!

Thursday, 27 November 2008

Now this is what the internet is really for
No, really, it is. A website devoted entirely to bacon.If a story’s got bacon in it they’ll publish it. No bacon, no story as far as they are concerned.Bacon Today in all it’s porcine goodness.Remind me, what was it we all did before we had toys like this to play with?
Posted by Tim Worstall at 16:17

EUkip misses the opportunity YET AGAIN.

The answer is simple – Had we paid more attention and not joined the EU and had EUkip done the job they were elected to do not bury their snouts in the trough and ignore their UKIP roots!

Well the answer might have been: ‘We might still have a bacon industry and our porcine interests may have led us to retain our Pig Industry, which has almost totally been lost to Denmark’.

What do EUkip do?

They hire a discreditted Dane as a part time book keeper, to tot up SOME of the accounts @£36,000+expenses a year!!

You could hardly make it up could you – and EUkip post it on their OAFFicial Blog, as a joke!!!

SHAME ON EUkip.

Where were EUkip during The Lisbon Constitution battle – probably playing with toy scout cars from a museum, running round in Chicken Suits, Inflating their toys on The EU’s lawn or ‘Aving A Larf” – between consorting with prostitutes who they failed to pay, falling down drunk in the street or ……………
Doesn’t it make YOU proud to support them!!!

Greg L-W.
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#161* – EUkip The Weakest Links………

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/11/2008

#161* – EUkip The Weakest Links………

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

RATS IN A CORNER FIGHT FOR THEIR LIVES – NEVER ATTACK FROM THE FRONT!

Hi,

I believe that the party has completely split, with its rotten head as EUkip, joined onto the party by the corrupt lattice of supporters being paid or seeking preferment.

UKIP itself is looking for adequate backbone to evicerate the stench of its rotten head and lizard like regrow a claean and sound management, leadership structure thus making the party once more a party people of integrity and moralisty can vote for.

The party is finished unless it can distance itself from the BNP style image it is attracting with its kangaroo courts, dishonest trumpped up evidence and increasingly pro EU stance, in return for funding.

It stands no chance with the infiltrators and carpet baggers and the weakest links are people like McGough, The Desk, Smith, NuttAll, Reeve, Curtis, Agnew, Denny and their ilk with a conjoined record of dishonesty, bullying and cowardice.

Farage’s greatest problem is that he was not honestly elected but seized the leadership based on the corruption of the election by people like Denny, Fuller, Moran, Carver, Lott, Croucher, Kingscott and their ilk.

It is possible that Farage might have won an honest election but he set the prescedent with his acceptance of corruption – he has now no grounds to stand tall he is just a grubby little wastrell who without honour, integrity or principle – a slick little barrow boy with a smart *rsed answer and a fist full of sound bites.

Increasingly, in his downward spiral, Farage is hiring less and less decent bully boys to maintain his power because he commands no respect and less authority.

One of his biggest mistakes was to hire the Spanish practices woman

who has so discreditted herself in her collusion in corruption for personal gain – those who will be actively campaigning against EUkip in the South East would do well to avoid confrontation with Farage but attack his running mate – one of the great disadvantages of PR and a list system is that if you have an angel in first place IGNORE THEM and expose the others.

People vote for parties as proven by Deadweight Derek being elected – a man of no charm, no charisma, no ability, graceless, disloyal and venal self interest.

The weak link in the South East is clearly Marta Andreassen who is easily shown to be corrupt and self seeking – linking her iretievably to EUkip and exposing her corruption will bring EUkip down in the SE.

Similarly the fraudulent, liar and cheat the shoddy little desk Bannerman in the Eastern Region. These two individuals can be used as the garrotte to stiffle the life blood of EUkip and remove the rotten head.

Let us see howmuch backbone the remaining UKIP members and supporters have!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#160* – Robert KILROY SILK Outstrips EUkip

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/11/2008

#160* – Robert KILROY SILK Outstrips EUkip

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

RKS HAS FAR OUTSTRIPPED EUkip IN TERMS OF WORK & INTEGRITY SINCE ELECTION:

Hi,

though I was in favour of Robert Kilroy Silk being a candidate for UKIP originally, I am firmly on record before the election stating that I believed that he would raise the profile of UKIP but it was upto other UKIP members to capitalise.At the same time UKIP had its association with Max Clifford which I recommended against as he is widely reveilled by the media and his association would damage UKIP – as it did, since it was through him that the damaging intercession of I think the picture is either from her 100th. birthday or her 100th. husband I’m not sure which!

Joan Collins came about.I also stated that RKS was likely on a personal basis to lose as many votes as he personally gained, which I believe was true.When RKS’s vote was announced I was on the phone to Farage and stated that since he was an ego centric the party had a tail in its hands and as the dawn came and they were dragged into the open they would find they had a tiger by the tail and BEFORE the media circuss they MUST build a guilded cage to hold him.I advocated he was immediately announced as UKIP’s General Election & Local Election Campaign Director reporting monthly to The NEC.Alternatively be minded since you hold a tiger by the tail of the Chinese proverb ‘If you try to manually strangle a tiger, be sure to finish the job’!I was not aware until later that day that Nigel Farage had lied to Robert Kilroy Silk to con him into joining UKIP.Since becoming an Independent, in disgust at Farage’s dishonesty, RKS has fulfilled his undertaking prior to his election – RKS stated that he was going to attend the EU as infrequently as possible as he had been elected to campaign to leave it and he did not recognise its authority over Britain. This he has done.Further RKS has done more to highlight the situation than all of EUkip’s gravy train riders put together – he has asked over 1,500 written questions. Far more than all the EUkip MEPs put together.Just think how much better off these United Kingdoms would be if NONE of the EUkip MEPs had EVER gone to the EU parliament.If Derek Clarke & Nigel Farage had NEVER attended they would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by signing up to INCREASE the Subsidiarity of Britain to The EU.If Derek Clarke & Nigel Farage had NEVER attended they would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by signing up to WORK WITH the EU committees to STRENGTHEN their control over Britain.Sorry I couldn’t find a modern photo

If Tom Wise had NEVER attended he would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by fraudulently obtaining money together with Lindsay Jenkins and embezzling it for his personal gain, as exposed in the meeeja.
Wise with all those who respect him and the friend in the EU.

If Tom Wise had NEVER attended he would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by being exposed by The News of the World as a dishonest, corrupt and rather sordid oaff, stuffing his pockets at every opportunity.It is also worth noting that even Ashley Mote whilst spending a great deal of time on his legal case and time out in prison and tagged thereafter has managed to do more work for these United Kingdoms to expose the EU and bring the message to the people of his region specifically than ALL of EUkip’s MEPs put together – a couple of transient TV appearances of Farage (only) excepted.Much as I can’t personally stnd RKS – he has done more for our Country than the EUkip shower.

Regards,

Greg L-W.

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#159* – A Measure Of How EUkip Would RULE?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/11/2008

#159* – A Measure Of How EUkip Would RULE?

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

IN A FURTHER DISHONEST & SHAMEFULL EFFORT TO DESTROY UKIP:

Hi,

One can not possibly attribute ever act that brings EUkip into disrepute to incompetence – this shower of scheisters are staggeringly trying to enrich themselves by keeping their snouts in the trough in the EU.

It is morally reprehensible that these odious people are permitted to try to con the public into voting for them, without having to provide a warning showing that they have had 50 man years as MEPs and cost the tax payer £65,000,000 and have achieved absolutely nothing to fulfil their electoral promises NOT EVEN honour their promise to each other – paying their wives without even telling each other!

Let us look at the situation.

Last Night Suffolk Coastal Branch held a legitimate AGM, details can be seen at: #158* – SUFFOLK COASTAL & Alison & John WEST

You will notice the difficulties and dishonesties AND the support they received.

John West acquitted his duties and contacted EUkip Head Office Membership Secretary:

John West wrote:

Dear Nikki,

At Suffolk Coastal’s AGM the following people were elected:

Alison West as Chairman.

John West as Secretary and Treasurer.

Contact details:
5 Spring Lane, Wickham Market, Woodbridge, Suffolk IP13 0SW.

Tel: 01728 746427

Emails: johnwest81@hotmail.com & alisonwest63@hotmail.com

The meeting was held in accordance with party rules and all Suffolk Coastal members were given 21 days notice of said meeting.

Yours sincerely,

John West

This eMail was clearly received:

UK Independence Party wrote:
John,thanks for letting us know,we will update the records.

Thanks

Andrew

However Alison & John West received this ill considered eMail from the clerical department!!

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008

From: ukipho@btconnect.com

To: johnwest81@hotmail.com; vote.jonathan@googlemail.com; ukipbootle@yahoo.co.uk; reeve@ukip.org

Subject: Re: FOA Nikki Edwards: Suffolk Coastal AGM

Dear John and Alison

With reference to the Suffolk Coastal Branch, I am afraid that after carrying out our usual procedural checks Head Office understands that the Branch meeting held to appoint a new committee was not properly constituted.

Until I receive clear guidance on this from the Party Chairman, General Secretary, or Eastern Regional Organiser, I regret that I am unable to make the changes you have requested. This is in your own interests as I’m sure you would not wish to receive UKIP members’ details without being legally entitled to them.As you can see, I have copied this email to the three Party officers in question and will await further instructions.

Yours sincerely

David Challice

Head Office

Administration Manager

Let us consider who is going to carry out this undemocratic travesty – trying to force out of office the duely elected Officers of Suffolk Coastal Branch. Be minded EUkip has a due process and this corrupt kangaroo court is it seems setting aside the hard won democratic principles and the Disciplinary Committee.

So that is Disciplinary Committees set aside.

An attempted set aside of the fundamental human right of Freedom Of Speech – a core value of civilised politics.

It would seem the unelected puppet of Farage Little Jonathan Arnott has been appointed.
Well actually that is morally not acceptale as he has been appointed to disemble to see if he can dupe the Courts to find against both John West and separately Alison West.
In a denial of fundamental justice.

I have been sent a copy of the lies of Titford that are to be used to bear false witness.

Then we have this low quality BNP look alike the unelected employee who has presided over a catastrophic collapse of members in the Eastern Region, which from my lists would seem to show a fall of around 1 member per working day over and above any recruits!

This chappie is unfit to take part in this case as it was he who held a dishonest and corrupt ambush and kangaroo court.

Yet another BNP look alike!
This astonishingly is EUkip’s part chairman, well I suppose not so very surprising Paul Nuttall is the unelected puppet of Farage and is so inadequate to the task that the Metropolitan Police had to attend to restore order at the only meeting he has chaired as yet!

Clearly this hopeless little chap can take no part as he has already been involved in trying to dishonestly and corruptly engineer the removal of John West.

Then we note just how low EUkip has sunk as they bring the entire party into disrepute by using the odious and proven liar Michael McGough to attack UKIP supporters to aid the survival of EUkip – It clearly takes liars and the dishonest to uphold the behaviour of EUkip.

Perhaps I could ask you to read the postings of EUkip’s chosen bully boy at http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip-general-issues

That EUkip have seen fit to firstly atempt to suppress Freedom of Speech on this forum recently, with little NuttAll issuing a vexatious and dishonest pack of lies founded on lies and without legitimacy see: #141* – EUkip’s NuttAll Issues Party Suicide Note!…

Here is the dishonest document supplied to their errand boy Michael McGough and despite his reputation as a liar and a cheat he is used as EUkip’s messenger.

It was on seeing this pack of lies placed deliberately on a public forum in a case that is ostensibly sub judice that having received a copy of the Head Office letter from another source I contacted Mr. West and asked for his permission to publish the material.

I admit I pointed out that I had the letter in my possesion and was merely acting as a courtesy in asking if he minded its publication.

“How can this supposed AGM be real as John West was informed that he was no longer a member of the Suffolk Coastal Constituency Assoc weeks ago, he and his wife do not even live in the constituency!
Sir – this is a lie, no constituted meeting has had been held nor any official letter on the matter has been delivered to either Alison West or John West.

That the past chairman is so ignorant of procedure that he does not appreciate the manner in which an AGM is called speaks volumes and that it is the duty of the secretary, John West to have called said meeting. May I remind whichever idiot wrote this that John West received membership data on Saturday last from Head Office as the Secretary of Suffolk Coastal Branch. Thus clearly the author is either deliberately wrong and has lied or is ill informed.

The existing sitting committee,
Attended the meeting the bullying Ron Witmore as outgoing chairman and John West as SEcretary – me minded that the Treasurer had previously resigned and also resigned his party membership in disgust at the behaviour of Ron Witmore and the bullying and unelected Peter Reeve.

Thus clearly I am right to contend there is a deliberate and dishonest intent to deceive in the letter EUkip’s errand boy posted.

which is still in office headed by its long standing Chairman Ron Whitmore
Were this the case perhaps it can be expplained why this paragon of virtue Ron Witmore had abrogated on his fundamental duty to instruct his secretary to call an AGM within due period as defined in the Branch Constitution.

had legitimatly withdrawn their willingness for West to be a member of their branch
He had no authority under the constitution to act in so dishonest, underhand and corrupt manner.

after he went to the press
I am happy to take oath that it was NOT Mr. West who went to the press – it was I; having heard on the phone from one of my contacts in the eastern region. I contacted 4 or 5 journalists known to me.

Should EUkip choose to challenge me I can provide provenance of a nature of proboity that would outclass the claimed integrity of EUkip’s entire shower in leadership.

with trumped up stories about elected UKIP MEPs.
May I suggesrt that EUkip withdraw this dishonest slur on the character of John West, as you have absolutely no grounds to make this dishonest comment – it is a lie which I am already assured that the relevant Police will bear witness to.

I believe he was informed of this decision by the Party in writting weeks ago.
He was not – this is a lie.

The reason that the current branch committee was not there was because it was an illegitimate meeting
A dishonesty which those present will bear witness to. 6 Eligible voting members + The outgoing chairman and June Latter whose membership is understood, by the branch secretary, to have run out. Also present were one guest from another branch a member, also 3 guests who it was hoped would join as members that evening. They did not in the light of the behaviour of Ron Witmore.
In pique at having been exposed as duplicitous and dishonest Ron Witmore stormed out like a spoilt child.

The meeting then continued in a cordial manner.

that West had been informed by the Party could not go ahead.
Untrue and false. Why would others have attended were this true?

The branch AGM will not be called until the new year
The branch AGM has already taken place and due to the incompetence of Ron Wittmore was Constitutionally overdue.

when the branch chairman Ron Whitmore calls it.
Ron Witmore is no longer Chairman – it was legitimately voted on and it was the decision of the branch that if there was dishonest inteeruption of democratic process the branch would disolve and actively campaign in the region against EUkip. I understand already 21 branches are on the verge of closing under The Newmarket Agreement.

Similarly there are various branches who have rejected the authority of the unelected Reeve.

As I understand it, what GLW refers to as a ‘unanimous decision’ was a meeting that only had around 2 members of the branch at it.
You understand it wrong and the meeting was legitimately quorate.

The handful of others there, including Mr & Mrs West are not even members of the constituency.
You deceive yourself in your desire to misleed others.

GLW is also incorrect about the DCB meeting as there were around 20 people at the meeting he refers to
I am prepared to correct my figure as supplied by one person who was present should you be able to locate an individual of trustworthy character. I do not accept the word written or spoken of a liar such as yourself who lied to disadvantage his associates for personal gain.

Not that of NuttAll or Reeve who have both shown themselves irrefutably to be untrustworthy – nor thew liar, cheat and fraud David the desk Bannerman whose dishonesty is despicable as it exploits the few decent members left in the party.

and this was just one of a series of meetings organised by Donald Martin (the South Suffolk Chairman)
No that is untrue – we speek of the widely advertised and leafleted launch (as stated on the leaflet) launch of EUkip’s campaign to dupe the public in The EU elections. Further the meeting at Capel St. Mary was the only such meeting promoted upon EUkip’s web site or its blog, as I understand it having looked almost every day for several months.

and his team that occured in a 4 week period.
Perhaps you were to obtuse to realise I was speaking of The Capel St. Mary meeting which was a catastrophe.

I am told that several hundred people attended the DCB talks in total and the branch are very pleased with the results. “

What you are told and what you say are clearly unreliable as you have established a track record of the most unpleasant and underhand dishonest, behaviour and lies at the expense of your colleagues – whether in your own right or as errand boy for others.

Michael McGough you are a liar, a cheat and represent no British values that I recognise – you are an excrescence and a coward.

Many will be aware that Alison & John West are being attacked by the corrupt EUkip by way of intimidation. These intimidations, lies and threats have taken place quite clearly as revenge for the upright character of the Wests and their exposure of EUkip’s corruption since before they put their names forward in the selection, election process for experience so that they could do ever better for UKIP in future elections and they were met with dishonesty after dishonesty to the extent of criminality.

One has to wonder just how revoltingly EUkip would act if it ever gained authority – one must fear for our Country that such sordis behaviour is perceived as acceptable even by a failed minority party.

I am disgusted at the behaviour of EUkip’s executives!!! AND their duplicitous and dishonest errand boys.

G.L-W.

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#158* – SUFFOLK COASTAL & Alison & John WEST

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/11/2008

#158* – SUFFOLK COSTAL & Alison & John WEST

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

EUkip IN THE EASTERN REGION HAS MANAGED TO GET ALMOST EVERYTHING WRONG BASED ON DISHONESTY

CONGRATULATIONS SUFFOLK COASTAL SOMETHING HONEST IN THE EASTERN REGION FOR A CHANGE!

Hi,

lets look at some of the players in the corruption that has been endemic in The Eastern Region:

Jeffrey Titford – all too willing to dishonestly bear false witness for his own gain and protection. I was sent a copy of his distortions and lies bearing dishonest false witness against John West, it was mailed to me by someone close to the NEC at about 20.00hrs. last evening.

Mr. Jeffrey Titford you are a duplicitous liar.

I have yet to establish whether the person who sent it to me wishes me to publish it yet.
Andrew Smith, a liar, unprofessional, corrupt and with Nigel Farage directly responsible for the fact that The Courts found EUkip Guilty in the case defending their offences against electoral law. Guilty as Charged. Currently there is a Judicial Review pending that may find EUkip liable for between £1/2 & 1 Million due to this man’s irresponsibility and that of Farage.

Currently seeking to place a gagging order on the unelected Regional Committee so that news of their fiddles does not reach the members no doubt!

Peter Reeve discreditted ~~BNP member~~ well he looks like one and acts like one! Deselected by several UKIP branches has presided over a steady fall in membership amounting to almost one per working day over and above any recruits!

A liability willing to enjoin in dishonesty and destroy the credibility of the party for personal prefferment. Has orchestrated unconstitutional and dishonest kangaroo courts.

Nigel Farage’s sad little unelected puppet – clearly way out of his depth and needed The Metropolitan Police to restore order at the only NEC he has so far chaired – where Godfrey Bloom had to be restrained from thumping someone as did NuttAll himself.

This BNP look alike iis the sort of person who gives the BNP a bad name – just look at his bullying and dishonest letter trying to present freedom of speech – just for the record Nigel Farage DOES consort with prostitutes even though he claims he doesn’t pay.

I can provide a Court with affidavitted evidence that his proud boast is he has never had to pay one yet! See Blogs:

#144* – EUkip – Farage & The Prostitute ………….
#143* – Farage DOESN’T Pay Prostitutes!!
#142* Prof. Farage & How To Make A Horemone

Lisa Duffy – last heard hissing and spitting at the NEC meeting like a refrigerator with a shorting fuse. Shouting at other members like a fishwife.

ON TWO SEPARATE TAPES (not quite true one was an MP3.

This is the woman who gained access to the NEC duplicitously and dishonestly. She also lacks the integrity to recuse herself when voting on Eastern Region matters and her partner!

George Curtis, a liar, dishonest and a coward. Has lied about me provably, has lied about John West provably and has lied about Robin Page provably. Corrupt in that he bears false witness for personal gain and a coward because he only does it behind people’s backs. A man without honour or integrity.

The Pathetic little desk is getting less and less significant as more and more people realise that David Bannerman is dishonest, a liar, a fraud and a cheat – but he has got a coupon cut out of a breakfast serial packet to prove he isn’t or something equally irrelevant – his pathetic little chum NuttAll told us all about it for a joke, I think, in his abusive letter to Anthony Butcher:

#141* – EUkip’s NuttAll Issues Party Suicide Note!…

If you want to check out any of the caterpillars or the butterflies just type their name into the search boz at the top left of the page.

NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS:

SUFFOLK COASTAL had its duely constituted AGM last night.

The past Chairman and one of his cronies arrived, not surprisingly & tried to prevent the meeting taking place.

3 people had been brought as guests to join once the new committee was empowered but have subsequently decided not to having seen the behaviour of the outgoing Chairman trying to mislead and disrupt the meeting.

The meeting was small, but there were about half as many as David Bannerman and Peter Reeve got to their launch Rally for David Bannerman’s Eastern Region campaign for the EU elections. Many leaflets and a great deal of advertising was carried out for thats one whereas a single letter was mailed out for this AGM to each member of the branch – despite the abuse of membership lists by a member (Ron Witmore) who with others rang around to try to destroy this meeting for the corrupt Eastern Region EUkip cabal the meeting was fully quorate.

June Latter and Ron Witmore who both claimed the meeting had been cancelled to people on the phones, turned up to the so called cancelled meeting, but when their shameful behaviour was brought to light and the dishonesty they had participated in with Peter Reeve they had a hissy fit and stompped off together, very much tail between their legs.

The meeting was called to order and proceded in a civilised and correct manner.
Alison West was proposed and seconded and is now the duly constituted and elected Chairman.

John West was proposed separately to both the duty of Treasurer and Secretary, seconded and duly constituted and elected Treasurer and Secretary separately.

All three positions were voted on and gained a unanimous vote.

I expect more details later today when my vole (a small mole) can contact me. If there is anything of note I will post the details on this blog.

That said – in Constitutional terms all that is left to do is congratulate Alison & John West who have been stalwart activists for UKIP for several years and have continued campaigning despite the series of corrupt and dishonest attacks made on them by some of the filth that has floated to the top in EUkip’s septic tank.

Well done for your courage and the example of polite and rigid determination.

These are the very British values UKIP seeks to repatriate on leaving The EU not those of the self serving, dishonest gadarene EUkip as they rush squabbling and squeling to get their places at the trough.

Well done Suffolk Coastal – I hear that if the EUkip leadership try to intervene there will be a unanimous disbanding of the branch and the members will actively campaign around other branches for support and actively campaign against EUkip in the elections – be minded that 21 Branches in the Eastern Region have put their names and signatures to The Newmarket Declaration: #119* – The Betrayal Of The Branches & Democracy (…
#118* – The Betrayal of the Branches, The Members …

You will also find sebveral have put in motions of no confidence in The Regional Organiser also.

May I suggest that people with an interest in the endemic corruption in the Eastern Region read my blo in full!!

ONE MORE TIME WELL DONE ALISON & JOHN WEST.

May I make an apeal – I am aware that Alison & John are young with financial responsibilities and upholding decency in UKIP in the Eastern Region and defending UKIP and themselves against the corruption endemic in The NEC is proving a burden to them as they are ensuring that they do not put a foot wrong, as it might put them at risk, and that legal advice must perforce be good and is thus not cheap.

Alison & John West are fighting this battle to save UKIP fom being subsumed and I believe that all who value freedom should make a contribution relative to their means and just how much they value liberty, honesty and integrity.

I shall be asking Major Niall Warry (Green Jacket Rtd.), who is beyond reproach to act as the collecting point and issue receipts for any and all monies contributed, if he will be so good as to do so, should this not suit YOU then I would ask you to make your contribution through either Dr, Eric Edmond or Mrs. Petrina Voelker who are both of utmost probity and the three can liase.

Thank you – any monies over and above the legitimate costs of Alison & Juhn will be contributed to the fund to clean up EUkip and re-establish probity, morality and integrity – The UKIP that was stolen from the members.

Major Warry, Doctor Edmond & Mrs Voelker together with the Wests will form the steering committee to liase on projects over and above the reasonable and legitimate needs of Alison & John.

Sometimes honesty costs!

I have launched this on my own initiative knowing that the 3 parties I have nominated will be only too willing to help but due to commitments or legalities may need to nominate another.

I will publish their contact details here once confirmed.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#157* – MARTHA ANDREASSEN Is Trying Hard BUT …….

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/11/2008

#157* – MARTA ANDREASSEN Is Trying Hard BUT …….

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!
THEY ALL SEEM TO WANT TO GET THEIR SNOUTS IN THE TROUGH ON THE GRAVY TRAIN!

Hi,

When considering hiring a Danish woman, domicile in Spain who was married to an Argentinian one wonders how much accurate research was done or was it along the Farage laise fair manner he is so renowned for?

You will remember The Honourable Stephen Sobey Neville with his name dropping of Eton and impressive connections to titles. Nigel – so insecure – fell for every line of the lad’s patter. At the time I phoned Nigel, having never met the chappie but before he was hired.

“Nigel this chappie is a fraud, or if you rather a mole where are you putting him?”

“No he isn’t he’s a really good chap and has amazing contacts and I want him in the press office.”

Not a murmur from the party Press Officer who probably hadn’t bothered coming to work for a while and was absolutely hopeless as a press officer – just look at all the media coverage he didn’t ever get!

“Nigel for starters he is NOT a ‘Nevile’, nor is he a Rt. Hon. and I’ve checked with mates of mine and he never went to Eton, don’t HIRE him he is a Tory plant”

Next day I get a call “No he is genuine, I misheard him, he went to Stowe and played Eton at sports.”

“Did you check the rest Nigel? Was he the groundsman at Stowe?”

We all know what happened. A rank amateur bowled over by the sniff of a title! No sensible check of references etc.

Well here we go again it seems!

It isn’t a job share for the happy couple is it?

I wonder if Nigel watched this before he hired her:

Thursday, 3 October, 2002, 14:08 GMT 15:08 UK
EU accounts ‘open to fraud’

Marta Andreasen met the BBC’s Tim Andersen
Marta Andreasen, the former chief accountant of the European Union says that flaws in the EU accounting system leave it vulnerable to fraud on a massive scale.

What she didn’t say until she was ambushed with the question that made her squirm was that their procedures for hiring senior trusted personelle is just as ropey!

Let us see how this woman fits in for EUkip as she sure to hell represents none of the British values that UKIP used to stand for!

I can confirm that Martha Andreassen was suspended from a senior position at The O.E.C.D. for 18 months without pay.

I can confirm that Martha Andreassen unlike honest contestants in the selection/election scams to draw up the list of prospective MEPs for EUkip did NOT provide a CRB clearance.

I can confirm that Martha Andreassen unlike honest contestants in the selection/election scams to draw up the list of prospective MEPs for EUkip did NOT provide a British electoral roll number.

I can confirm that Martha Andreassen unlike honest applicant for a job did NOT include in her application CV for a senior role at the EU the FACT of her suspension without pay for 18 months from her senior role at The O.E.C.D.I can confirm that morally Martha Andreassen is inadequate to the job of representing British citizens in a political party grounded on the core vote and belief that we should leave the EU and repatriate our democracy, Sovereignty, liberty and self determination as she is firmly on record as being pro EU and has even taken the EU to court to get her snout back in the trough and lost recently.

I can also confirm Martha Andreassen is unfit to represent members under the terms of EUkip’s own rules.I can also confirm that Martha Andreassen participated in and acted in a corrupt selection/election process – see EUkip’s own returning officer’s report enumerating many breeches of the process.

I can confirm that Martha Andreassen is aware that her position and behaviour is corrupt and mallign to the process of democracy and decent behaviour.

I can also confirm that although an effort was made to establish residency in a dodgey P.O.Box but after further prayers to the good ‘Lord’ I understand a suitable Domicilium Citandi was found.

Interestingly having cheated to get the job at the EU – the claims in the interview would indicate she never was paid for the period of suspension, despite wholesome motives for her suspension are claimed by her!

I find this strange as it is clear this is a woman of quite notable letigious fortitude.

I note that recently she has lost her case in Court, to get her snout back in the troughs of the gravy train. I gather her claims against the EU and The O.E.C.D. were not disimilar and that Courts in two very clear juristictions and maybe more have found against her!

One is forced, not unreasonably, to wonder if EUkip will be her next victim?

I can see no philanthropic motive for her association as she is I understand performing a part of the task of treasurer which hereto fore was performed largely pro bono, yet for her part time efforts I gather she is paid some £36,000 a year plus expenses!

As I say I can see no philanthropy there and as for Patriotism that would be beyond belief for the most broad minded of souls surely. Martha Andreassen is I understand Danish born, Argentinian married and a Spanish resident.

However now that she is ‘ostensibly’ resident in Britain all be it as an alien and is expected to be for 6 months minimum by electoral law what will be her tax position.

I would contend this foolish and implausible woman may well grant some benefit to EUkip but to UKIP she is but an electoral liability as are all of the leadership team and their associates.

Perhaps you will find watching Tim Sebastian’s interview of the woman more convincing than did I – It can be viewed at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/2293519.stm

Personally she cuts no ice with me and I would trust her as far as I could kick her but very few of the supporters and staff of The EU offer any value to mankind – as with all parasites we will be well rid of them, when we leave The EU.

I hope this provided sufficient details for EUkip’s look alike BNP chavs to again try to bully Anthony Butcher to try to remove and control FREEDOM OF SPEECH in a manner directly contra the core principles of the party NuttAll tries to chair, yet again bringing the party into Disrepute, in a manner that would leave honest men and women with no alternative but to put him before a Disciplinary Committee.

I can also confirm that although she is Danish her name is actually Marta but I thought I’d give her a leg up – lots of others seem to, and give her the benefit of Anglicising which she so clearly craves.

Clearly his dishonest bullying and threatening complaint seeking to damage Anthony Butcher’s relationship with his ISP brought EUkip into disrepute.

It is time the rotten head of EUkip was removed from the body of UKIP to give EUroScepticism a chance. Please can we be sure that Marta Andreassen is made fully aware that she represents no wish or value that represents these United Kingdoms I can see – is EUkip so debased now that they can not find honest British candidates as MEPs that they must hire a foreigner with a track record of falling out with almost everyone she works with.

Beyond ALL doubt if nothing else this woman has participated in a corrupt and dishonest process for listing as a candidate – The Evidence Is Irrefutable she knowingly participated in this corruption and acted and has gained personal gain.

Marta Andreassen is corrupt and dishonest having clearly colluded in corruption and dishonesty.

Clean up EUkip to make UKIP a party that honest, decent men and women of integrity and morality can vote for to serve us and lead us out of The EU.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#156* – EUkip’s BETRAYAL – TRYING TO EXPLAIN…..

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/11/2008

#156* – EUkip’s BETRAYAL – TRYING TO EXPLAIN…..

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!
Otherwise It Is Going NOWHERE?

Hi,

I am often criticised for seeming negative. Of course I have answers or I would not see the problems, of course I understand the pragmatism of politics or I would not manage to reach the parts others don’t reach – they just quietly withdraw their support – which may explain that at the last shambolic NEC meeting it was apparent that EUkip was in such financial straits as to be risible.

EUkip recorded at its NEC meeting that they had £45,000 Yet they face a Court consideration of a Judicial Review – NOT of their guilt but of the size of forfeiture! This could leave EUkip facing a bill of £1/2 to 1 Million!! Then they have to settle the Court claim of John West and a separate claim at Court by Alison West – whether they settle or lose it does look as if that could open the flood gates for around £20,000 of claims as the point will set a prescedent!

There is much much more in the pipeline with regard to claims against the party funds and failing that against the NEC members jointly and severally.

Yes I believe that EUkip is finished but I do hope that if the rotten head that has betrayed us all can be cut off and the right cleaning squad brought in there is still a slim hope for UKIP.

In a question and answer presentation in response to some comments on Anthony Butcher’s Forum – I tried to put some building blocks in place and my reasons:

Also UKIP needs to recognise the following;
I believe you fail to make the very important differentiation between UKIP (the grass root members and real activists) & EUkip (it dishonest and untrustworthy leadership ‘team’ who have bought such shame on the party). The party needs a really good clean-up, new unimpeachable management and a really good telephone answering technique – as policy Nation Wide.
NOT Spanish practices book keepers!

the British people don’t like the EU, but it’s not an important determinant of voters choice of party at general elections. In fact voters consistently rate the EU issue about 13th to 15th on their list of priorities, way down on things like defence, NHS etc.
This is merely a measure of the failure of EUkip that after 50 man years of MEPs and a cost to the tax payer of around £65,000,000 they have TOTALLY failed to get the most important issue in Britain up the list and people are still supporting the single issue parties Lib.Lab.Con.Dim. who have much to say and no control over our country and whose single issue is to bend the knee to Brussels to get their snouts in the trough).

Wasn’t UKIP elected to get this message across? But they got carried away with self interest and went native overloohing & betraying their electorate.

Until UKIP acknowledges this fact
It is NOT a fact it is a misguided opinion as I have frequently shown. You merely reflect EUkip’s abject failure to explain the facts and the message, their lack of training, lack of vision, lack of strategy, lack of tactics and abject failure of leadership.

and produces full, coherent, budgeted, responsible and popular policies to meet the most important concerns of the voters UKIP will continue to get 1-2% of votes at GEs, with the odd blip at Regional Assembly and EU ‘Parliament’ elections.
I presume you are a political strategist for the EU as it is their intention to emasculate UKIP with this silly fantasy.

We already have 3 major one issue parties – the great novelty of UKIP at its zenith was that it wanted to make decisions by the British peoples for the British peoples by not wasting time on the foolish pastime of utterly irrelevant policies (though it may make the foolish feel important).

If you want a multi issue democratic party where we can make decisions first we must repatriate our democracy, restore our independence, reinstate our Parliament and start to work on our policies for the future WHILST we get on with doing the real job of dismantling and disassociating from the EU.

Plenty of time then to find the best brains to reinstate the very best written cconstitution for the modern world and put it to the peoples. Then we can consider pulling together the very best brains to formulate a Transport policy and put it to the peoples and so on. It has taken 60years + to get dragged into this evil mess and the utter economic iliteracy of

This, IMO, is where Roger Knapman went wrong after the 2004 EU elections; and never mind the RKS fiasco.
Roger Knapman had about the same lack of skills as Farage but in his case it was indicisive weak venal incompetence, in Farage’s it is weak, ebullient, ignorance and a willingness to invent solutions without the ability – he lacks even the skills as a leader to have defined his incompetence.

He failed to addresss this issue. I also have the sneaking suspicion that as an ex-Tory he might not have been too keen to see a successful UKIP deprive the Tories of votes at the next GE, and consequently sat on his hands.
No he was just very very dull, his wife had the brains and he wasn’t even much of a Tory, which is why having plugged at Lloyds and lost one of the safest seats in Britain the Tories refused to have him back.

The RKS debacle was entirely Farage’s he lied to RKS and promised him a position that was not in his gift – when he failed to deliver he lacked the manhood or integrity to apologise either to RKS, the NEC for whom he has ALWAYS had contempt or the members, whose sole use is for his glory!

There is a huge gap in the political market, IMO, and the “leadership” have failed to capitalise on that.
You are right, there is a huge gap in the political market, you are right the leadership have failed to capitalise on it and in my opinion both you and the leadership have even noticed it let alone structured training, vision, strategy, tactics and marketing to capitalise upon what with a little explanation some 90% of Britidhcitizens want and need.

Until I see evidence of that changing I shall not be rejoining UKIP.
If a new party espoused the aims you propose they may count upon my active oposition – we already have three one policy parties we DO NOT need another.

We need a multi issue party that is smart enough to explain to the British peoples that as they grow they will build on the determination to leave the EU until it is achieved and in the many years it will take us to disengage from the EU we have more than enough time to rebuild that land fit for heros my Grandfather stood at The Somme to defend, watching his friends fall injured to drown in the mud – for me.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#155* – Few In EUkip KNOW How Close To Being BROTHERS They Were!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/11/2008

#155* – Few In EUkip KNOW How Close To Being BROTHERS They Were!

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THEY COULD HAVE SO EASILY BEAN BROTHERS:Few will have noticed Nigel’s uncanny resemblance to our dearly beloved ‘National Treasure’ Mr. Bean?

His bumbling attempts to lead UKIP are clearly modelled on his famous alter ego!

It is hardly surprising that Nigel Farage was pleased to find I and other friends believed his brother would be an inappropriate front man – Never did I believe that Farage would be foolish enought to believe he should lead either. I’m with Christopher Booker & Bill Jamieson there His brother would have been as bad as Farage has turned out but for other reasons.

Regards,
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