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#0413* – of UKIP in HERTFORDSHIRE & The NEC

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 11/04/2011

#0413* – of UKIP in HERTFORDSHIRE & The NEC
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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of UKIP’s Meeting Last Saturday in HERTFORDSHIRE & The NEC Meeting on Monday!!

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Hi,
I wasn’t going to bother with a follow up to my posting CLICK HERE as I only expected about 30 people to attend, but with Robin Page attending as the notable speaker this dragged the numbers up a little and I gather about 40 are claimed to have attended.
As one attendee told me ‘It looked like a normal UKIP meeting, an undynamic audience of almost exclusively elderly folk the men, on this hot day, in jackets and ties with their overly patched silver haired ladies teased out in rows’!

It was also noted by another attendee that as ever UKIP learns little and had in misguided optimism hired a large hall that swamped the tiny audience making the meeting look more of a failure than 40 people would normally indicate for UKIP!

It was good of Robin, if misguided, to try to bolster Martin Harvey’s meeting but he studiously stayed away from telling the truth about UKIP, mostly featuring his views on population – gypsies and their Pykie pals!, before shooting off to enjoy the weather – leaving the audience somewhat bemused by his avoidance of the facts regarding UKIP – 
to leave Martin Harvey with his delusions that change can be effected in UKIP in tact.
A measure of just how on the pulse of the party Martin Harvey manages to keep was his utterly ridiculous outburst and abuse of Christopher Hudson for having left UKIP to join The Tories!

Where has poor old Martin been sleeping?


Christopher Hudson left UKIP when his membership came due for renewal two years ago. That he had never been prepared to stand against Tories during his service to UKIP or subsequently when he was Organiser for Ganley’s Pan EU Libertas Party!!

Bye the Bye – how come Martin Harvey didn’t notice Christopher was opposing UKIP having seen the light way back then!

Once Robin Page had spoken and left the meeting rather slid down hill and became yet more pointless as with the best will in the world – other than for his economic OPINIONS – who would cross the road to listen to the ‘dynamism’ of Tim Congdon or even more tedious Gerard Batten!

One has to feel sorry for the UKIP members with the clowns they have in their leadership team and its parasites. Liars, cheats, nebishes and low lifes almost without exception!
I note the following comments regarding UKIP NEC meeting later today:
  1. Default Tomorrow’s NEC

    Hopefully Steve Crowther has a lawyer at his elbow tomorrow and resists the efforts of Farage and Nuttall to push Crowther into the mess they are trying to offload onto him. No wonder Crwother is keen to bring back Nikki Sinclaire into full standing with the party.

    Meanwhile Batten and AN other is coming under pressure to leave the Farage group which would finish him off.

    Stuart Wheeler is oressing for all MEPs to make a contribution to the party out of their recently increased salaries.If Nuttall and Farage keep playing games with Wheeler,he will chuck it.


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    Hopefully Steve Crowther has a lawyer at his elbow tomorrow and resists the efforts of Farage and Nuttall .

    Ha Ha ex-member!

    Farage will totally dominate the partially evolved idiots he has appointed to the NEC. But of course Farage himself is a Fecking Ijeet. He may find himself screaming for financial help to fight his legal nightmares – as usual!

    I very much doubt Farage will attend the NEC as he will have his impramature all over it but as ever he will ensure his fingerprints can not be displayed.

    Farage will have set up his muppets and puppets to do his bidding and there are already indications of the way it will go leaked accidentally by fools like Mick McGough whose comments on Butcher’s UKIP controlled Forum run a closer second in stupidity to his comments on UKIP.org.UK.

    McGough repeatedly brings UKIP into disrepute as he does being their representative at the CIB and a regular hanger on at The Freedom Association. 

    Just WHO is there in UKIP leadership of ANY Gravitas, credibility or political nouse?? Sadly there seems to be absolutely no one of substance merely a few sound bites, many of which are completely out of control.

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    Moderator Richard Allen is a jewel in the rough Richard Allen is a jewel in the rough Richard Allen's Avatar

    The idiotic party leadership truly are in a complete mess on this issue. If they had any sense what so ever they would be looking for a face saving retreat but no doubt they will keep on digging.

It is also noted that in this thread was the comment that Stuart Wheeler was expected to call on UKIP MEPs to show their belief in UKIP and maker substantial donations from their newly increased salaries.

Having read Stuart Wheeler’s book ‘A Crisis of Faith’ – I have a feeling he is heading for another! Little wonder that the UKIP controlled Forum Anthony Butcher owns has removed the posting to prevent the inconvenient truth that UKIP MEPs do NOT donate their money except to enhance their own PERSONAL profiles to seek renewed election!

Wake up folks – YOU are being conned by a bunch of two bit chavs.
There would seem to be absolutely no record of a donation by a UKIP MEP that was not out of PERSONAL interest to BUY gain!

Compare the records of ALL The UKIP MEPs with that of the INDEPENDENT MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE whose accounts are published showing the size and diversity of her donations from personal income – Note also that Sinclaire is personally funding the Nationwide Petition for an In/Out Referendum.

I wonder will Stuart Wheeler have the intelligence to realise he is being duped and the courage to admit it and walk away – I doubt it based on his track record, this man made his money as a professional gambler and chucked £5M at the Tories without ANY rational controls and then went on to loose over half of his fortune when called on to use his business acumen!!

Has Stuart Wheeler the integrity to act and admit yet another ‘Crisis of Trust’ when he realises he has yet again been taken for a fool?
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#0412* – ex UKIP MEP WHISTLE BLOWING ON LOBBY BRIBERY!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 10/04/2011

#0412* – ex UKIP MEP WHISTLE BLOWING ON LOBBY BRIBERY!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE now sitting with Mike NATTRASS & Trevor COLMAN as INDEPENDENTS in The EU mock Parliament WHISTLE BLOWING ON LOBBY BRIBERY!

Yesterday you will recall Nikki SINCLAIRE’s WHISTLE BLOWING highlighted the hypocracy of Portugal offering ‘Freebies’ with other people’s money!

It is hope this will further undermine tax payers’ belief in The EU scam & Make Her & ALL MEPs Redundant SOON!

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Hi,

all too often the many gifts given to MPs, MEPs and others in positions of authority and influence are nothing short of outright bribery and the teams of lobbyist wherever such collections of parasites gather is all too like cockroaches scurrying around seeking gain and influence.

We have seen just how large some of the bribes can be with the recent resignation of MEPs due to being exposed by The Sunday Times insight team – at least they had the integrity to resign unlike the low lifes Stuart Agnew MEP and David Bannerman both UKIP MEPs exposed by The Sunday Times.

Sunday, 10 April 2011

Unilever Washes Hands Of Responsibility

The EU has voted this week to pump funds of nearly €350K into the Czech Republic in a bid to support 634 individuals who all lost their jobs with global consumer giant Unilever.
On 15th February 2011, the European Commission adopted a new proposal on whether money from the European Globalisation Adjustment Fund should be used to help the Czech Republic. The funds were earmarked to help Unilever’s redundant workers find new employment after the company washed their hands of them.
 The application was approved by the European Parliament in Strasbourg on Tuesday 5th April and amounts to almost €350K. This will be taken out of a total EGF budget of €5 million which is there to support the entire EU for the year.
The money will go to all 634 of the workers made redundant from Unilever during the period from 16th September 2009 to 16th January 2010.
Nikki Sinclaire, MEP for the West Midlands, is furious, commenting:
 “British people are being thrown out of work as jobs are exported to other EU countries and yet taxpayers are being asked to help fund retraining for foreign workers when they lose their jobs”.
Worse still, Unilever itself has been currying favour with MEPs by sending 
them each a wooden gift box filled with their products and other branded goodies. 
Nikki added:
“They cannot buy my vote and it is in poor taste that Unilever can spend around €20K on freebies for MEPs.  I also noted that British Labour and Lib-Dem MEPs voted in favour of this bail-out. It must be just their cup of tea”.
ENDS
Editor’s note
Nikki Sinclaire pictured with the Unilever MEP sweetener box containing:
  • PG Tips
  • Unilever rain poncho
  • Deodorant
  • Branded Pedometer
  • Dove soap


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#0411* – UKIP Branch Ch. SLAMS UKIP CORRUPT BEHAVIOUR

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 10/04/2011

#0411*- UKIP Branch Ch. SLAMS UKIP  CORRUPT BEHAVIOUR
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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A UKIP Branch Chairman & PPC SLAMS UKIP’s  CORRUPT BEHAVIOUR & The Style of its Parasites!!

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Default Disgusting! Gerard (not) the (only) subject of smear campaign

As sources of amusement go, I find this forum one of the most reliable, and this thread an exemplar.
I view it occasionally, as it often leaves me in despair, and contribute rarely. Anyway, here goes.
Skeptyk by name and nature indeed. Given the world we inhabit Skeppy, I’m rather surprised that a decent cove such as yourself (genuine flattery) should think a smear e-mail against Gerard as ‘non-existent’ (feigned scepticism), but then go on to ask for it’s contents to be PM’d to you as proof, while hiding behind a pseudonym (hypocrisy and irony )

Well it does seem as if he has the measure of that revolting gathering of self serving, self enriching filth! Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Gothmog (William Shaw), Baron von Lottsov (more stupid than venal!), Gawain Towler, Mark Croucher, KrisH (Kris Henderson), Annabelle Fuller, Bannerman, Agnew, Reeve, Nuttall, Batten, Kris or KS (Kris Seunarine), Andreasen, Bloom and the rest of the low lifes beneath contempt seeking personal gain by the betrayal of principle and patriotism.

There is nothing to be gained in calling someone an “X sockpuppet” if you yourself are a “Y sockpuppet”. IMHO. It was interesting to see the usual coterie of ‘defenders’ doubted the existence of that infamous e-mail header posted on this very forum (4th March), and deleted in extreme haste. If it was fictitious (it wasn’t – it’s on Junius for the curious), why the panic? People on here seem to have their own interpretation of libel laws; another source of hilarity. I doubt that there’s more than a few members here who could actually afford a libel lawyer – for 1 day!
I’ve tired of the forum where the only way some people feel that they can “contribute to discussion” is behind a cloak of anonymity. There is genuinely no explanation for this other than moral cowardice.

Perhaps he overlooks the reasons besides moral cowardice – dishonesty, corruption, stupidity, self enrichment, malice, sycophancy for example!

I have been the victim of an extremely nasty and totally unnecessary smear campaign recently, but of course, as a lowly branch chairman, it is of no consequence to the masses.

There was however an effort to embroil this blog – just as with the unpleasant smear of Gerard Batten – the reason being obvious in that not only do most of the informed in UKIP read this blog with an astonishing degree of regularity but also it is read by several well connected members of the media on a regular basis.

What is most staggering is that there was no conceivable, rational need or purpose for it; what is most puzzling is “why” it was done.

As with most activity in UKIP I believbe that you will find it was in an effort to denigrate others to gain points in the race to get their snout into the trough on the gravy train as a sycophant of Nigel Farage’s.

That and – I suppose – the fact that its source is a member of the party’s disciplinary committee.

If the mutually shared belief is that the individual in question is John Ison perhaps it is worthy of note that it is widely understood that he was stained an almost permanent brown colour in his endeavours at Oldham to gain the colour yet unwilling to make any efforts for UKIP in his own region – It seems to have paid off, as he was seemingly rewarded with a position on UKIP’s risibly styled Disciplinary Committee!

A position allocated without even making formal application I am given to understand.

The choice of smear ‘type’ was also curious; it leaves one to ponder whether some of the more ‘unsavoury’ accusations made against the party have a foundation in truth.

Hence it always proves essential for me and also I understand for those posting on Junius, to check our facts with care – there are no shortage of liars, cheats and duplicitous bufoons on UKIP’s leadership team and amongst their parasites – the maggots feeding on the party they have all but destroyed!

I will yield more by PM for those prepared to reveal their true identity under solemn promise – I will give my WORD – of utter secrecy.
The biggest laugh of all came when the attempt to use Greg Lance-Watkins as the vehicle for the smears, blew up in their face badly – I almost lost control of my bladder .

Amusingly there is so much back biting and jokeying for position in UKIP’s upper echelons that often I will receive ‘inspired’ leaks from both sides trying to gain an advantage. Fortunately to date the level of general stupidity amongst UKIP leadership and the scum gathered around them has made it easy to spot the internal betrayals and attempts to set each other up – thus to date this blog has NEVER been duped into publishing a single solitary error or dishonesty of any significancve – but as many know we do check our facts.

Completely out-of-the-blue, I received a phone call several weeks ago from GL-W, seeking confirmation or denial of 3 stupid slurs, before posting an article attacking me, on his bog (sic).

All a part of ensuring that this blog – whatever name inadequates may childishly call it – ensures it maintains its track record of 100% Truth and accuracy.

When I trashed them, he decided not to post, as ‘…I am a stickler for facts…’ and my threats of legal action (if he went ahead) were treated with snorting derision.

The derision was not a challenge it was that he was being so stupid as to think I might deliberately publish anything dishonest.

Just as I have NEVER published a single solitary article comment or article, posting or eMail in any identity other than my own. Unlike the likes of Skeptyk, Independent UKIP and the like I have nothing to be ashamed of and many will be aware I have offered to attend any meeting to answer cross examination on any and all the facts I have presented on this and my many other blogs and postings.

They (the leak’s ultimate source – it was an e-mail originally sent only to me) ended up with their own dedicated weblog, courtesy of GL-W. With a remarkable level of detail and – more importantly – apparent accuracy, to say nothing of appropriately choice adjectives!

I presume the allusion is to CLICK HERE

I was told that the leak had distributed the contents of this 1-to-1 e-mail to a “…wide list of people…”. Hold on, does that constitute ‘libel’?
This ‘politics’ is a strange business!

Steve MORSON’s Original Article CLICK HERE

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#0410* – ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE WHISTLE BLOWER IN MEDIA!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 09/04/2011

#0410* – ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE WHISTLE BLOWER IN MEDIA!
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE WHISTLE BLOWER IN MEDIA!
Today its The Daily Mail, following on from articles in:
The News of The World,
The Mail on Sunday,
The Sunday Times
and many more with regular pro British speeches in The EU mock parliament and on radio, TV and YouTube.!!

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Hi,

you couldn’t make it up – Well done to Nikki Sinclaire for a very special Leak at a very special time!

Just as Britain is being asked to fund the bail out of Portugal to the tune of £4 BILLION – caused by the crass structure and outright lies surrounding The EUro.

Whilst British tax payers are facing austerity and tightening their belts to ensure that Britain survives the dire mess left after 13 unlucky years of pro EU betrayal, corruption and economic illiteracy – I Portugal willing to face the reality that their own Politicians lied and fudged their presentation of their so called economy to join the EUro.

Borrowing undeclared, loans hidden and dishonest presentation in Portugal, just as in Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain to fudge the launch of the Franco German EUro designed to suit the dishonest aims of France and Germany as delineated in The Treaty of Elysee (See Right Sidebar) CLICK HERE

Well done Nikki Sinclaire MEP who as a regular whistle blower quit Nigel Farage’s corrupt, extremist and racist EFD Group and although having reached an agreement to continue sitting as UKIP and promised she would in no way be penalised for acting on principle Malcolm Lord Pearson as the puppet leader of UKIP for Nigel Farage reneged on his undertakings lied and betrayed any concept of integrity to appease Nigel Farage who forced Nikki Sinclaire out of UKIP even though she had SHOWN she was willing to help UKIP and co-operate as the record shows by the fact that she attended UKIP Group meetings and made no claims on the money of the then 4000 Account or 6000 Travel Account which Farage continued to use for his own interests.

Eventually after witnessed lies and corroborated abuse Farage removed Sinclaire from UKIP even permitting the liar and low life Christopher Gill to organise a robbery at Nikki Sinclaire’s offices!

Sinclair features today in The Daily Mail in an article by Hugo Duncan and Jason Groves where she is featured as a whistle blower yet again:

EUROCRATS SET FOR PORTUGAL WINE JUNKET

Shameless MEPs are planning an all-expenses-paid wine-tasting tour of Portugal – despite the financial crisis gripping the country.

The European Parliament’s Intergroup on Wine, Fruit and Vegetables will tour the Montado Alentejano region to examine the ‘close relation of cork and wine and the importance to the economy of rural areas’.

MEPs will be able to claim back the cost of flights and hotels. Local transport and meals are being funded by the  cash-strapped Portuguese authorities.

Independent British MEP Nikki Sinclaire said: ‘All this will do is alienate taxpayers in the EU who are having to foot the bill for Portugal.’

MEPs on the wine group are also planning a tour of France’s Champagne region in July.

To view the full story CLICK HERE

We understand that as a part of the job Nikki Sinclaire was elected to do as a UKIP MEP there are a large number of further Leaks from Nikki to come and sitting as an Independent with Mike Nattrass MEP, Trevor Colman MEP and any other UKIP MEP with integrity and any moral fiber who chooses not to support the anti Jewish, extremist, anti homosexual, violence and criminality of the pro EU EFD Group the more the merrier helping the more chance of forcing a Referendum on In/Out and the more of Nikki’s Leaks in the media undermining The EU and exposing its corruption and incompetence just as UKIP MEPs were elected to do.
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Posted in Daily Mail, Mike Nattrass MEP, Nigel FARAGE MEP, Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP, Trevor COLMAN MEP, WHISTLE BLOWER | 2 Comments »

#0409* – UKIP MEETING IN HERTFORDSHIRE

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/04/2011

#0409* – UKIP MEETING IN HERTFORDSHIRE
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! .
The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
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UKIP MEETING IN HERTFORDSHIRE!
With The Amount Of Publicity & The Dynamism Of Little Gerald I Guess They Will Get 20 or 30!
I’m Surprised Nigel Farage Gave Permission For Someone To Speak Without Him – I don’t suppose he expects many to bother going!

Almost as lame brained as holding a London Rally on Cup Final Day!!

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 Hi,

I wonder if you have seen all the advertisements for this major even!

OK I guess not!

Questions for Gerard Batten EFD MEP

Gerard Batten is due to attend an open UKIP meeting this Saturday in Hertfordshire. We trust that Gerard will be asked why he is still prepared to sit in the extremist, racist, anti Jewish & pro EU membership EFD Group when Mike Nattrass MEP, Nikki Sinclaire MEP and Trevor Colman MEP are not.

We would also be interested in his opinions as to why no action has been taken by UKIP’s NEC after The Sunday Times obtained incriminating statements that UKIP MEPs Agnew and Bannerman – the region’s UKIP MEPs – were /fraudulently obtaining tax payers’ money and illegally paying the UKIP Regional Organiser Peter Reeve out of their EU allowances.

Surely, their action has brought the party into disrepute as the story was featured in several newspapers and is clearly true as Agnew was caught on camera boasting of it!. See: CLICK HERE

That both Stuart AGNEW & David BANNERMAN are under investigation for Fraud with prima Facie Evidence should surely cause UKIP pause for thought and that they lacked the integrity, just as with Derek CLARK MEP, speaks volumes of the dross that are UKIP’s Leadership and its parasites.

And finally, what will Gerard do to oppose Farage’s desire to make UKIP part of a new pan-European party? See: CLICK HERE

Public Meeting
Broxbourne Civic Hall
Saturday April 9th
10:30 am onwards

Speakers include

GERARD BATTEN, UKIP MEP
Professor TIM CONGDON. CBE. One of the UK’s most influential economists.

Conservative and Labour governments have surrendered most of the UK’s powers of self government to the European Union. We must return the control of our Country, our laws, our economy and our borders to our own Parliament at Westminster. This is your chance to meet and question National and Local representatives of UKIP – the ONLY major political party putting Britain and the British People FIRST !

For your country’s sake, for your children’s sake – Vote UKIP!

Buffet lunch available, also refreshments, see overleaf.

Website- http://www.ukipbroxbourne.org.uk e-mail; martinharveyonr@aol.com

Tickets available for the buffet lunch at £6 each, bookable in advance.
Please send me ………… tickets for the buffet lunch at the Civic Hall on 9th April 2011.

Name…………………………………………………………………………..
Address……………………………………………………………………….
Post code……………………..Tel or e-mail…………………………….

Please send to UKIP Broxbourne & Harlow Branch,
St Helens, Middle Street, Nazeing, Essex. EN9 2LB.
Telephone 01992 892101

The Civic Hall is in Hoddesdon at postcode EN11 8BE. It is situated just off Cock Lane, South of the Town Centre and Golden Lion Pub. There is ample parking between Cock Lane and the Hall Complex.

This is a great opportunity to hear and question very good speakers, and also meet old and new friends during the buffet lunch, and maybe later support our very own UKIP pub, The Golden Lion. Cromwell is said to have frequented the area, so maybe his ghost will have a few suggestions regarding the Traitors!

Hope to see you, Martin Harvey.

Printed and promoted by Martin Harvey of St Helens, Middle Street, Nazeing , EN9 2LB. on behalf of The United Kingdom Independence Party.
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Hi,

I wasn’t going to bother with a follow up as I only expected about 30 people to attend but with Robin Page attending as the most notable speaker this dragged the numbers up a little and I gather about 40 are claimed to have attended.

As one attendee told me ‘It looked like a normal UKIP meeting, an undynamic audience of almost exclusively elderly folk the men, on this hot day, in jackets and ties with their overly patched silver haired ladies teased out in rows’!

It was good of Robin to try to bolster Martin Harvey’s meeting but he studiously stayed away from telling the truth about UKIP before shooting off to enjoy the weather leaving the audience somewhat bemused by his avoidance of the facts regarding UKIP – to leave Martin Harvey with his delusions that change can be effected in UKIP.

A measure of just how on the pulse of the Party Martin Harvey manages to keep was his utterly ridiculous outburst and abuse of Christopher Hudson for having left UKIP to join The Tories!

Where has poor old Martin been sleeping?
Christopher Hudson left UKIP when his membership came due for renewal two years ago. That he had never been prepared to stand against Tories during his service to UKIP or subsequently when he was Organiser for Ganley’s Pan EU Libertas Party!!

Bye the Bye – how come Martin Harvey didn’t notice Christopher was opposing UKIP having seen the light way back then!

Once Robin Page had spoken and left the meeting rather slid down hill and became yet more pointless as with the best will in the world – other than for his economic OPINIONS – who would cross the road to listen to the ‘dynamism’ of Tim Congdon or even more tedious Gerard Batten!

One has to feel sorry for the UKIP members with the clowns they have in their leadership team and its parasites. Liars, cheats, nebishes and low lifes almost without exception!

I note the following comments regarding UKIP NEC meeting later today:

  1. Default Tomorrow’s NEC

    Hopefully Steve Crowther has a lawyer at his elbow tomorrow and resists the efforts of Farage and Nuttall to push Crowther into the mess they are trying to offload onto him. No wonder Crwother is keen to bring back Nikki Sinclaire into full standing with the party.

    Meanwhile Batten and AN other is coming under pressure to leave the Farage group which would finish him off.

    Stuart Wheeler is oressing for all MEPs to make a contribution to the party out of their recently increased salaries.If Nuttall and Farage keep playing games with Wheeler,he will chuck it.


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    Hopefully Steve Crowther has a lawyer at his elbow tomorrow and resists the efforts of Farage and Nuttall .

    Ha Ha ex-member!

    Farage will totally dominate the partially evolved idiots he has appointed to the NEC. But of course Farage himself is a Fecking Ijeet. He may find himself screaming for financial help to fight his legal nightmares – as usual!


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    The idiotic party leadership truly are in a complete mess on this issue. If they had any sense what so ever they would be looking for a face saving retreat but no doubt they will keep on digging.

It is also noted that in this thread was the comment that Stuart Wheeler was expected to call on UKIP MEPs to show their belief in UKIP and maker substantial donations from their newly increased salaries.

Having read Stuart Wheeler’s book ‘A Crisis of Faith’ – I have a feeling he is heading for another! Little wonder that the UKIP controlled Forum Anthony Butcher owns has removed the posting to prevent the inconvenient truth that UKIP MEPs do NOT donate their money except to enhance their own PERSONAL profiles to seek renewed election!

Wake up folks – YOU are being conned by a bunch of two bit chavs.
There would seem to be absolutely no record of a donation by a UKIP MEP that was not out of PERSONAL interest to BUY gain!

Compare the records of ALL The UKIP MEPs with that of the INDEPENDENT MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE whose accounts are published showing the size and diversity of her donations from personal income – Note also that Sinclaire is personally funding the Nationwide Petition for an In/Out Referendum.

I wonder will Stuart Wheeler have the intelligence to realise he is being duped and the courage to admit it and walk away – I doubt it based on his track record, this man made his money as a professional gambler and chucked £5M at the Tories without ANY rational controls and then went on to loose over half of his fortune when called on to use his business acumen!!

Has Stuart Wheeler the integrity to act and admit yet another ‘Crisis of Trust’ when he realises he has yet again been taken for a fool?

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#0408* – UKIP Seems Willing To Prostitute Principles For MORE Tax Payers’ Money!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/04/2011

#0408* – UKIP Seems Willing To Prostitute Principles For MORE Tax Payers’ Money!
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08-Apr-2011 – UKIP Seems Willing To Prostitute Principles For MORE Tax Payers’ Money!

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John Stuart Agnew, on behalf of the EFD Group.

– Mr President, this legislation will allow the EU to throw money at referendum campaigns to ensure that it purchases the right result first time, for a change!
The UK will in future be holding a referendum each time the EU proposes to remove power from its electorate. The EU is frightened out of its wits that we may give a series of wrong answers. So it intends to remove money from UK taxpayers to indoctrinate them into its version of the path of true righteousness.
Fronting the legislation is Andrew Duff, a liberal democrat MEP from my own region. Support in the UK for his party has collapsed recently – a party of course desperate for EU institutions to govern the UK. Never has the EU’s gerrymandering been so clearly displayed alongside its contempt for UK voters. It is sowing the seeds of its own destruction, because the legislation will allow us to fund the referendum campaign that many in my country have for a very long time been waiting for – the one that gives us the opportunity to remove ourselves entirely from its control.

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Would my colleague Mr Agnew agree with me that a political party that would accept funding under this legislation, as a single European party, and which in particular would have to observe the EU’s programme and activities and the founding principles of European law, and the development of European law at all levels regionally, nationally and at European level, em> would be a party which has lost its principles? 

Would you agree with me, Mr Agnew?

Agnew:

I say to Ms Sinclaire that we will take what we can out of this because we use the devil’s money to do God’s work. That is what we do, and well you know it.


Sinclaire:

Will you accept the principle of European law though?


Agnew:

No, of course we do not. That is why we are here.

For the original comments by Agnew and Sinclaire: LINK

What UKIP MEPs seem not to understand (well one fact clearly of many) as shown by their clearly out of his depth spokesman Stuart Agnew, is that if they are foolish enough to join a PEPP not one Iota nor EUro will accrue to UKIP.

UKIP seem to be trying to dupe their more gullible members into the belief that if they vote for PEPPs and join one they will have extra money to promote their claimed withdrawalist agenda.

One wonders if UKIP MEPs are so stupid that they believe this or are they so dishonest that they are deliberately telling lie and employing their muppets and parasites to lie to the members also.

It will not be long before the members receive a rude awakening!

The new centralised funding whether it is like the extra funding that is currently obtained seemingly used to bribe others to join the group to keep the numbers up or if it is like the formerly titled 4000 Account now abbreviated to being the 400 account (keep changing the names! It help obfuscate the scams!) seemingly unaccounted and falling under the control of the group leader even possibly used as bribes and even possibly trousered!

The funding for PEPPs would just fall under the control of the group, be that the extremist pro EU membership EFD Group or some new group such as that which the racist and generally irresponsible buffoon Godfrey Bloom and others have joined CLICK HERE.

The new money thus extorted from the tax payers might seem a bonanza but firstly it is only available on compliance with the aims and ambitions of The EU but also its disbursement would be a matter of group voting and as at the moment UKIP would find that its diminished authority would once again leave them as the junior partner – out voted in The EFD which is by a large majority a pro EU reformist body and not in favour of withdrawal as are several of the UKIP members of The EFD – no doubt with a view to their future self enrichment!

Thus, whatever The Group decided, UKIP would only be able to enact the Group policy within these United Kingdoms.

Thus although the original rules CLICK HERE may predicate against domestic use of the new funding the rule changes covered on this blog back in March CLICK HERE will make little or no difference to the domestic funding of National referendums that could be construed as positive.

In their stunning ignorance or more likely utter duplicity, UKIP aspirants to yet more money claim that the new rules permit them to fund opposition to membership in UK Referendums – a particularly disingenuous claim as what it conveniently overlooks is that FIRSTLY UKIP would merely be the representative of a Group and would legally be bound by Group Policy – Secondly The Group’s funding will be determined by The Group’s performance in ‘PROMOTING’ the views, values and aspirations of The EU!

The very stupid or singularly dishonest leadership of UKIP and its parasites will do much to get their hands on more money but their argument that it would be other than for themselves is unconvincing!

Let us consider for a moment that their foolish claims were just stupid – Yes UKIP by virtue of their group might have more money and by flouting the rules and risking the money for EVERY member of The Group they were legitimately permitted to campaign in the interest of their members ( a rare occurance these days!).

The down side risk of their tactic with a mere 30 or so members in their Group and with maybe 10 or less UKIP members – so UKIP could fund from their cut of Group funds activities in these United Kingdoms in a referendum – Wat of the other 700+ fully funded MEPs, they of course immediately become eligible to fund EU policy and EU interests in such a referendum!

I note the sound words of Barbara BOOKER on the subject:

An inkling of the near impossibility for UKIP of drawing up a political programme with Europarty colleagues whose aim is to stay in the EU and improve how it works and develops and is perceived, can be gained from studying the way the EFD voted following Tuesday’s Europarties debate. UKIP’s MEPs and three others voted against the resolution. With one exception the Italian MEPs abstained, as did one of the Lithuanians. One Italian, the two Greeks, the Slovakian and another Lithuanian all voted in favour of the resolution.
The significant thing about this is that four of those who either voted in favour or abstained (Imbrasas, Paska, Provera and Paksas) were named in Sharon Ellul Bonici’s e-mail last October as being already confirmed/about to confirm their membership of the Europarty that Godfrey Bloom has already joined, and presumably the one that Nigel Farage wants the rest of UKIP also to join.
These group colleagues who act against what UKIP MEPs see as being in the UK’s interest, are among the very people for whom UKIP principles will be compromised or abandoned in the cause of agreeing a joint programme for the promotion of an improved EU.

Clearly prostituting what few principles UKIP has managed to hang onto, though for the life of me I’m not sure what they are would seem a very poor exchange for the 30 pieces of silver they hope to trouser!

Let us also not forget that Sharon Ellul Bonici stood as a Marxist in her home constituency in Malta! Is there nothing nor any gutter UKIP leadership will befoul themselves with for money?

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#0407* – UKIP & The EFD’s STAGGERING RACIST STUPIDITY

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/04/2011

#0407* – UKIP & The EFD’s STAGGERING RACIST STUPIDITY

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The idiocy of Godfrey BLOOM In The EU Mock Parliament & Recorded for all to see!

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Godfrey Bloom, on behalf of the EFD Group:

 – Mr President, I would like to go back to the matter of Libya if I may.
 
When did the political class and the great and the good suddenly catch up with the fact that Colonel Gaddafi is an evil man? 

When, since that wonderful photograph with you embracing him, Mr President, did you suddenly come to realise that he was a “wrong’un”?
 
I can tell you that the victims of Lockerbie in Scotland and the victims of IRA atrocities in my country knew very well what sort of scoundrel this man was. But he has got oil and he has got money so you all turned a blind eye, didn’t you? 

 
Well, the chickens have come home to roost.  

The most absurd figure in all this is the British Prime Minister, who stands there rattling his empty scabbard – having disestablished the Royal Navy, having disestablished the Royal Air Forcemaking threats from the sidelines, with no aircraft carriers, nothing, and calls himself a Conservative but is just a superannuated schoolboy whistling in the dark.
 
We talk a great deal about violence against the people, we talk a lot about democracy. 

And yet we have had a homicidal baboon in Zimbabwe for years now, and we do not do anything about it, do we? 

We do not care because there is no money and there is no oil. 
That is so typical of this place: full of hypocrisy and humbug.

To view the full so called debate in the Strasbourg mock parliament CLICK HERE

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#0406* – UKIP’s RACISM SPILLS INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/04/2011

#0406* – UKIP’s RACISM SPILLS INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA
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Godfrey BLOOM MEP Describes An African Leader as a BABOON!

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sadly in the Strasbourg plenary earlier this week UKIP’s racism spilt out for all to see.

As Google shows:

  1. Gawain Towler (GawainTowler) on Twitter

    Cameron “a super-annuated schoolboy whistling in the dark – #UKIP Bloom http://t .co/NuX0iJn @goddersukip Mugabe a “homicidal baboon” about 4 hours ago via
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The party was little helped when their own press officer Gawain Towler seemingly drew as many people’s attention to it as possible, with all the good taste the fool had when he was boasting of his indiscriminate sexuality on his own blog some time ago and his own wife was posting on his family blog of his sexual antics with his daughter in the bath – that led to his deselection as a candidate by the UKIP South West Committee.

Astonishingly Nigel Farage completely over ruled the democratic process of his own party and dictatorially reinstated him giving him a highly salaried position as a UKIP Press Officer! Just the sort of pond life anyone could be proud of as a spokesman!

Now we have, if Gawain Towler is to be believed the imbecilic Godfrey Bloom with his foot in his mouth yet again!

Whatever a politician may think it ill becomes them when representing others in a hugely over paid role as a Massively Expensive Parasite to let ones own outright racism show with an unprincipled and utterly irresponsible comment as he did!

Last year Godfrey Bloom as a UKIP MEP was censured by The President of The EU Parliament for his ‘homophobic’ attacks on Nikki Sinclaire MEP who then took UKIP to Court and won a Guilty verdict against UKIP, Godfrey Bloom and Nigel Farage for wrongfull dismissal which they had made clear was on sexual grounds.

Then earlier this year Godfrey Bloom made a complete fool of himself in the eyes of most people by chanting Nazi slogans in an attack on a German politician – for which he was fined under Parliamentary rules.

Now again he has irresponsibly and tastelessly overstepped the mark as the corrupt and dishonest Gawain Towler pointed out.

This time it was outright racist to call the Zimbabwean Despot Roberty Mugabe a ‘homicidal baboon’.

Does anyone believe he would have used such a comment of any country other than an African by such a soubriquette?

Had Bloom been a genuine politician in British politics he would have been charged by now under the race relations laws for likening an African to a baboon.

Surely we would expect The BNP MEPs to have been charged had they made such an outrageous comment.

That Godfrey Bloom may be British he is we must remember amongst the extremist gutter sweepings of EU politics and supporting the overtly racist and xenophobic Pan EU Political Party EFD Group.

Is UKIP under its present leadership with the trash that consistently is to be found in its press department not now clearly past its sell by date?

Let us see if The EFD Chairman, despite his waning credibility, openly censure Bloom for his despicable behaviour yet again.

Then can we see a level playing field legally and Bloom brought to book for his racist comments as you or I would have been had we made such derogatory comments about Africans or an African.

Homicidal is merely a statement of opinion and in real terms Robert Mugabe is not responsible for as many deaths as can be laid at the door of Anthony Charles Lynton Blair and his lies, though on crimes against humanity the winner between the two is a moot point – though I doubt Godfrey Bloom would consider calling Blair a ‘homicidal baboon’!.

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#0405* – ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE, Fish, Food, & More Money

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/04/2011

#0405* – ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE, Fish, Food, & More Money
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ex UKIP MEP Nikki SINCLAIRE Now INDEPENDENT on Various Subjects in Strasbourg on Tuesday ALSO The EU on Fish, Food, & More Money for Politicians & PEPPs!!

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I note from my Inbox and from the internet that this week was off to a rapid start in The EUroRealist camp with Indepemndent ex UKIP Nikki Sinclaire MEP putting out a Press Release from Brussels on Monday morning and then in Strasbourg for the plenary on Tuesday and I have tracked down 3 video clips made by close of play on Tuesday!

Having watched the debate on PEPPs live on video link I must congratulate Daniel Hannan MEP for his very good speech repudiating the very concept of PEPPs funded or unfunded by the Tax Payers. the EFD  and NFU rep Stuart Agnew MEP gave an exorable speech and embarrassingly voted for more money for Politicians and to help the EU gain more control and power over Britain and other vassal states!

When challenged on the Blue Card intervention Stuart Agnew was mistaken for The BNP MEP Andrew Bronze, clearly he is seen as an extremist and has had little impact in his 2 years on The Gravy Train!

The Blue Card question by Nikki Sinclaire MEP was to clarify how the principle of wanting more money and Pan EU Political Parties to aid The EU helped Britain – Poor man had a hissy fit and clearly lost his temper and was unable to answer the question so he invented a question of his own to answer and gave a rather silly answer – even when charged to clarify the morality he was unable to act coherently!

Here are the video clips I have found so far and I will add Dan Hannan’s if I can find it and also van Orden’s when they come to light!

There was also an EU style non debatet on The Common Fisheries Policy but it did show what a con The EU is having factory fished the food from the third world from under their noses off West Africa, forcing 1,000s of Africans to risk the 800 miles at sea in small boats to The Canary Isles rather than starve without fish in their homelands – The EU has fished out the waters of Somalia leaving the Somalis with their ancient survivalist methods of piracy as their only way to live.

The EU is now exploiting Seychelles, Madagascar and Mozambique in The Indian Ocean handing EU tax payers’ money to the rulers and then systematically stealing the fish from local subsistence fishermen!

Much was made of a new ‘agreement’ with The Comoros Islanders and Capulo Santos MEP explained how The EU was entering an agreement with The Comoros and paying them what sounded like €600K a year for 70 EU fishing boats to destroy their fisheries as well!! 30,000 of the 80,000 Comoros peoples WERE dependent on fish and fishing!

A Mr. Alphonsin MEP did point out that there was nothing really to discuss and that a vote on the matter, due on Wednesday, was a total farce as the Commission had already signed the ‘agreement’ without consulting the parliament – rather shows how irrelevant the parliament is in the face of the unelected dictator committee of The Commission!

A Mrs. Leben? MEP of the Greens went on to point out that the agreement had been in place long enough for EU Tax Payers to have given the government of The Comoros €2.7Million meanwhile EU private enterprise fishermen had TAKEN €13Million of fish – so The EU Tax Payers pay The Comoros Government so that Privately owned fishing vessels can make over €10Million stealing fish from subsistence fishermen!

Doesn’t it make you proud to be a member of the EU – meanwhile Austin Mitchell MP Labour has in his career watched his constituency of Grimsby diminish from a fleet of 120 vessels to 4 and the fishermen of Ireland with inshore and coastal boats are now forced 800 miles out to sea to find fish!

My word what a great policy The CFP has been well yes if one wishes to destroy the fishing fleets and the fish stocks of the world but NOT if you want a thriving industry that is sustainable that feeds our peoples!

Back to the videos for Tuesday that I have found:

OPPOSING YET MORE MONEY FOR POLITICIANS & PEPPs & EU EFFORTS TO BUY THEIR WAY TO POWER

Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP explains why she believes her constituents have no interest in paying for more politicians as The West Midlands are suffering from economic deprivation as it is without The EU Buying its way to Power with funded PEPPs.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN

Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP explains why she believes this is a con & souinds like a time warp to the Politically Correct issues of the 1970s being exploited by The EU to introduce ever more laws to their shame.
Leave the legislation to the member states!

GLOBAL FINACIAL AJUSTMENT FUND – THE VOTE AGAINST

Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP explains why she believes that the £48 Million a day tax payers in Britain pay should be kept at home and why her constituents in The West Midlands deserve to keep the money having been damaged by membership of The EU.

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#0404* – David BANNERMAN UKIP MEP EXPOSES THEIR DOUBLE STANDARDS!

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#0404* – David BANNERMAN UKIP MEP EXPOSES THEIR DOUBLE STANDARDS!
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By Doing The Devils Work to ASSIST The EU TO SCREW BRITAIN!!!

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UKIP take Ockendon Academy procurement probe to EU

THURROCK MEP, David [Campbell- A NAME ADDED IN A STYLE TO DEFRAUD THE ELECTORATE] Bannerman (UKIP) is set to table a question to the European Union that may see Thurrock Council face a multi-million pound fine.

In January 2010, an independent report by auditors Price Waterhouse Cooper (PWC) pointed to a number of serious anomalies in the procurement procedures with respect to the building of the then Ockendon School.

Amongst the discrepencies was a contract which was worth £3.6 million did not follow strict EU procurement procedures. All contracts over £3.5 million must do so.

Concerns at that time were so great that the then council leader Terry Hipsey and interim chief exec Mike Rowan went to Grays Police Station to meet the Fraud Squad.

The contract went to building firm Haymills who eventually went bust before they could finish the job. This left the school, according to staff, like a building site but also had the consequence that this delayed other work in the school. The school set aside money for that but now that the school has become an Academy, the council is in the process of trying to take that money back.

Since the PWC report, Thurrock Council has radically improved its procurement procedure.

A spokesperson said: “The Council requested an independent review of procurement practice for three contracts in 2008 and has acted on the findings in conjunction with the Audit Commission. The findings of the independent review were reported in full to members at the time

“The council has made significant improvements since this review with a new constitution and procurement policy, managers trained on both, and a strengthened procurement team providing expertise and capacity to ensure compliance with the new rules.

UKIP have defended accusations that this is simply political posturing and trying to remind the public of controversies that occured during the Conservative adminstration.

UKIP Thurrock spokesperson Tim Aker said: “This isn’t about political point scoring. There are still genuine concerns about the procurement procedure and whether it is restrictive.

“We do not believe we have had sufficent answers over this particular question. The council may or not be liable for a fine. If that was a council tax defaulter then the council wouldn’t blink at possibly making that person bankrupt. What’s good for the goose.

“If it does face a penalty then we are sure that a restructuring of senior management salaries and a cut in councillors allowances will go a long way to helping.

Thurrock Council confirmed that it has not informed the EU about the non-compliance.

Procurement experts believe that the council could face a fine of between £3 and £10 million whilst others believe that the council’s reformation of the procurement procedure should appease their colleagues in Brussels.

To view the article CLICK HERE

You couldn’t make it up could you! No wonder The Tories don’t want David Bannerman and keep rejecting his overtures to join them!

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