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#0443* – UKIP CLEARLY HOLDS LEICESTER IN CONTEMPT

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/04/2011

#0443* – UKIP CLEARLY HOLDS LEICESTER IN CONTEMPT
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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UKIP LEADERSHIP CLEARLY HOLDS LEICESTER IN CONTEMPT!
We KNOW UKIP’s selection processes are corrupt we also KNOW Farage as a leader is a liar – every time he seeks votes he lies as with His Nepotism and paying his wife, his promises to professionalise the party!

Farage is an excellent mouth piece but desperately needs the help of a mature leader of competence and integrity to curb his childish insecurity and crass inadequacy!

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Hi,

here is the individual UKIP considers to be a valid candidate to be Mayor of Leicester responsible for a £1Billion budget and ensuring the city delivers the best value for money in all service areas – Frankly I personally believe that a schoolgirl put forward as a candidate by a professional Party would be offensive that UKIP have put forward such a candidate must surely be seen as both unprofessional, insulting and exploitative of the said schoolgirl.

What on earth was UKIP’s selection process that might arrive at such an amateur and crass decision – however the action may well anger some members and supporters for its lack of professionalism but clearly surprises few – Such crass and inept behaviour is on a parr with dressing up as chickens, and driving around like small boys in WWII scout cars – or even desperately trying to draw attention to oneself seeking publicity by urinating in flower pots in hotels, copulating with prostitutes on the bonnet of cars and then using a claim of Diplomatic Immunity as a UKIP MEP when arrested.

Sadly due to unprincipled and inept leadership few are surprised by just how foolish UKIP can be and it seems their only defence is to put forward the likes of Gothmog (William Shaw), Independent UKIP, Skeptyc, Mick McGough and their ilk to further demean the party by lies, corruption and defamatory abuse.

It is abundantly clear that it is not JUST Regina Andreson who is politically inappropriate but the more one sees of UKIP’s lack of l;eradership, idiotic selection processes and general dishonesty and unprofessional behaviour the more it becomes apparent UKIP is currently unfit for purpose and demeans the body politic.

I suggest Regina Anderson does not put her photograph in too many phone boxes:

UKIP MAYORAL CANDIDATE 
for LEICESTER

We note even a vociferous and frequently wildly ill informed UKIP supporter of the Party leadership has finally commented:

All I know is that according to Richard Allen the local party had nothing to do with it and a fuming mad about it. Draw your own conclusions from that. Personally it looks like some sort of sabotage, and the buck stops as always with Nigel Farage. The Leicester Mayoral election is for the election of the mayor of the largest constituency except for London and is in charge of a £1 billion budget. This takes the pi$$ so badly I can’t see that it was anything other than deliberate. There needs to be an investigation into this and a sacking of whomever was responsible in order to restore confidence. You can’t just brush it under the carpet. If it were a parish council or a town council election then it would not matter, but this is an issue that is at leadership level. If you recall there was the same sort of problem with that ethnic postman a couple of years or so ago who turned out to be useless, but this takes it far beyond that. Farage should have learned the lesson there. He’s like a smak addict to the drug of political correctness. No one in the UKIP has anything but the greatest repulsion for political correctness, but Farage keeps on injecting it, and hence this makes sabotage easy.

For the original of the comment CLICK HERE
It is unfortunate that the poster lacks the integrity to put their own name to the post as it puts comment on a par with Skeptyk, Independent UKIP and others as more likely to be lies than truth.
However in this instance it is hard to disagree!”
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#0442* – UKIP, Farage,The BNP & The Parasites

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/04/2011

#0442* – UKIP, Farage,The BNP & The Parasites
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
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UKIP, Farage,The BNP & The Parasites Exposed!

NO INITIATIVE for honesty, integrity, transparency, probity or accountability HAS EVER been put forward by Farage or the maggots that feed off him!

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Hi,

Leicester’s Mayoral sideshow is no concern of consequence but it is a measure of both how UKIP behaves, UKIP’s utter contempt for the electorate and clearly the contempt of senior members of UKIP for the due process of the Party they exploit as their self enriching route to the troughs on the gravy train.

When will UKIP get serious competent respectable leadership rather than the liars, cheats, chavs, bullies and clowns they currently have.

Yes there is no doubt that Nigel Farage is a great asset as a performer for UKIP and his gutter cuning that manipulates the maggots around him to ensure his hand is visible in every action but never his fingerprint is clearly a skill some MIGHT aspire to.

That the party is so controlled that it has become bereft of any talent that might work alongside Farage is self evident – just look what lack luster, incompetent and ill informed trash for the NEC and just look at the length and dishonesty to which the party has been manipulated to suit the ambitions of the one remaining schpieller.

The huge effort that was put into raising the profile of The BNP and the lies put about by Mark Croucher and various filth in UKIP – mostly too ashamed to put their name to their lies – to TRY to link people with The BNP.

You may remember when with great glee and against sound advice Nigel Farage was the sponsor and promoter of bringing his families friend Buster Mottram into UKIP – I gather he had at one time been a tennis lothario and had been a long time associate of Lt. Guy Farage who himself had been a supporter of The National Front we are told.

You may find these details from The Western Morning News of interest:

‘UKIP defends ex-NF member over e-mail’ on 24.3.07:

quote:

UKIP leader Nigel Farage has defended the decision to allow a former National Front activist to join his party – and threaten Westcountry MPs with losing their seats. This week the WMN revealed that former British tennis ace Buster Mottram had written to a number of MPs warning they could be “decapitated” at the next election if they do not sign up to the “Better Off Out” campaign.

He also claimed to be “implementing this particular strategy on behalf of Mr Farage”.
Yesterday the UKIP leader suggested he had not expressly ordered contact to be made with Westcountry MPs – but did support the efforts in principle

It is interesting to watch the dishonest spin put out by UKIP’s habitual liars and defamers like William Shaw, who to be fair has little knowledge of UKIP or seemingly politics merely a lack of manners and a willingness to lie in his childish abuse.

Then there are the normal maggots that lie and dissemble in support of a place picking up crumbs from the troughs on the gravy train like Skeptic, Independent UKIP, Mick McGough and their ilk who have been proven again and again to be willing to lie and distort for their own gain and are without honour or integrity – that most such are too ashamed to use their own name is unsurprising.

That Mick McGough has accepoted he has no reputation worth defending even as a proven liar and low life can hardly surprise.

It is interesting, for those who have followed the heart of UKIP politics for best part of 15 years to note the spin put about to hide the gross behaviour of the leadership.

One need only remember the irrefutable FACT that Douglas Denny was fired by his colleagues on The NEC as untrustworthy having corrupted the pretence of an election that put Farage in position just as it is irrefutable that Annabelle Fuller is a foul mouthed slut and a liar and with Mark Croucher deliberately set out to lie to try to keep their jobs with Nigel Farage, for had an honest man won that election they would have been out of the door with their over paid bribes straight down the toilet.

As a family friend of Farage’s Buster Mottram was widely lauded within UKIP and his affiliation with The National Front and latterly with The BNP was plaid down, yet widely known. However the efforts of Nigel Farage and his parasites to raise the profile of The BNP are well known:

That Farage was clearly using third parties for contacts with The BNP would seem obvious and his duplicitous gofer Mark Croucher is well known to have extremist political contacts and no reputation of either honesty, honour or integrity – little surprise that he was promoting The BNP with such energy! He was all too willing to lie about anyone or anything to justify being over paid!

Mark Croucher is a whore of the worst kind, who has prostituted morality and decency, as he has constantly acted in his own interest regardless how dishonestly or the consequence to others – a particularly unpleasant type of human being, feared by some and respected by no one.

The members of UKIP ELECTED to represent them on UKIP’s leading management committee amongst others Dr. David Abbott who would stand no dishonesty and no racism He was elected having informed Nigel Farage that misguidedly some years earlier he had made two minor donations of about $100 each to a British Nationalist organisation which subsequently transpired to be a front for fund raising for The BNP.

Nigel Farage personally condoned this and was well aware of the paltry sum relative to the large amount of money David had already and would subsequently donate and use in the interest of UKIP.

Another individual of notable competence and excellent pedigree who was ELECTED by the members was Dr. Eric Edmond – a mathematician and economic analyst of no mean ability who had taught at Liverpool University, had been a Civil Service adviser in Downing Street and had subsequently worked as an executive within The Bank of England. Doctorates come apace it seems as his wife Mary is a Senior Paediatric Consultant in The West of England and thus with David Abbott able to provide a unique insight into The British Health Services!

That these two men of letters, seemingly the only qualified Doctorates on the NEC at the time (or for that matter within the meilleur of the Party leadership), were both independent men of stature and probity did not sit easy with the low lifes gathered around the inadequates that were passing UKIP leadership. That they believed that public and party money should be accounted for did not sit easy with those there to aggrandise and enrich themselves!

A campaign commenced to remove these two honest men – just as had been carried out to remove honest individuals like Linda Guest, Richard Suchorzewski, Jill Chant etc. before them and the campaign mounted, including death threats, against Delroy Young ALL ELECTED TO THE NEC BY THE MEMBERS also Anthony Butcher who however weak, corrupt and venal he might be was ELECTED by his supporters.

Over the years Farage has engineered and cheated, usually through others, to ensure a compliant team of nodding donkeys (in the main outright Asses) who are bought and paid for and moulded to his needs for corruption and weak incompetent leadership.

In the knowledge that UKIP was facing an election in the following Spring and aware that the likely expectation was a collapse in the vote during the preceding summer the stance of The BNP was built up by Farage’s associates such that eventually – despite the difficulty of UKIP leadership being hounded to account for the huge amount of money that had seemingly been stolen in self enrichment scams or at very least not been honestly accounted, as with the £211K listed as OTHER EXPENSES in an office budget of some £400,000, whilst the scam described by Farage himself as:

‘UKIP’s most successful fund raise ever’

Ashford – had so David Bannerman the Party Chairman informed members:

‘merely funded the party to the value of less than 15% of the income’

whilst in one cheque alone, paid into a private bank account sums of £1/4 Million were unaccounted and went missing.

That Petrina Holdsworth as Chairman had previously resigned as she was not prepared to have her name associated with the corruption and financial misdeeds, including criminal fraud is a matter of public record.

Now there was the embarrassment of The Two Doctors and Delroy Young seeking transparency – a situation that had to be resolved or Mike Nattrass’ prediction made earlier:

‘How do you think we get our money, if you don’t shut up we will all end up in prison’.

The promotion of The BNP continued apace but it seems that a contingency plan was put in place to blacken the names of Dr. Abbott and Dr. Edmond for fear of reprisals over what seems to have been the money stolen from the party which they were determined, with Del Young, to have exposed.

You will be minded that at this same time the grime squad of UKIP was mobilised and active spreading their filth and dishonesty everywhere to rig the selection of MEP candidates a process being overseen by Christopher Gill – a failed ex Tory who had joined UKIP to more spectacularly fail – as he did when asked to preside over the Selection process CLICK HERE his suitability as a politician in his own right was displayed by the risible result he achieved in the constituency he had been given to serve The Tories previously as a safe TORY seat.

Nowhere was it more clearly shown that the British people vote for Parties not the trash that represent them!

An integral part of the ‘Plan B’ besides linking, utterly dishonestly, Abbott, Edmond, Suchorzewski and most farcically of all myself, with The BNP was the acceptance of a suggestion made by Martin Hasslam, Nigel Farage’s place man, who had done a great deal of pro bono accountancy work for Farage and had been a consistent and substantial donnor to UKIP, Martin suggested that he bring his tennis partner Nigel Farage’s friend to The NEC.

Farage personally agreed this as how could he not since I understand that Mottram was at the time in an ongoing relationship with Farage’s cousin and Martin was Farage’s trusted accountant.

No other NEC members seem to have been aware of this as I feel sure that at very least Drs. Abbott and Edmond and Delroy Young would have cautioned against it.

However come the day and sponsored WITH PERMISSION FROM FARAGE, Martin Hasslam introduced Buster Mottram to The NEC. Having introduced him to Abbott, Young and Edmond immediately prior to the formal meeting as I recall.

There was some ill mannered braying from the asses which Farage silenced and as a matter of manners Eric Edmond openly advocated politely listening to his proposition – once heard the detail for individuals of integrity would provide the weapons of its destruction only braying asses would fear succumbing to involvement with something as odious as The BNP.

That realising that Buster Mottram’s idiotic concept, once aired, would stand no chance of favour with the far more discerning membership than it had with himself and others seeking their own aggrandisement the entire debacle was used by Nigel Farage as his personal Reichstag Fire and soon after came the obscenity of Crystal Nacht and the slaughter of the innocents advancing the odious and machevellian Adolf Hitler to his power base as with Farage and the simpering maggots he surrounds himself with.

Drs. Abbott & Edmond together with Martin Hasslam and the much abused Deroy Young were rapidly consigned to history and lied about to ensure no danger of probity, transparency or reasoned debate in the rejection of Farage’s attempt seemingly to conjoin with the less extreme element of The BNP.

It was not long before Farage – expressly against the wishes of the membership of UKIP, had conjoined – not with The BNP – with the low lifes and extremists of EU gutter politics where he now leads the racist, xenophobic, anti Jewish and violently antio homosexual Pan EU Political EFD Group.

It will be noted the odious and dishonest calliber of Nigel Farage’s chosen proponents of membership/forming a Pan EU Political Party men of no political caliber nor any intellectual standing liars, cheats, corrupt and ever willing to defraud for political gain – in this instance Farage’s chosen incubae are front run by Mick McGough and Stuart Agnew MEP both individuals proven to be without honour, integrity or probity.

Both Eric Edmond and David Abbott are as dedicated to the values and principles espoused by the members of UKIP, but have both discovered just how cheap and tawdry are the corrupt aims of the leadership and their parasites.
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Posted in Annabelle FULLER, BNP, Buster Mottram, David ABBOTT, Del YOUNG, EFD Group, Eric EDMOND, Independent UKIP, Mark CROUCHER, Mick McGOUGH, Nigel FARAGE MEP, NO to PEPPs, SKEPTIC | Leave a Comment »

#0441* – UKIP SEEKS SINGLE ISSUE DISENCHANTED VOTERS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/04/2011

#0441* – UKIP SEEKS SINGLE ISSUE DISENCHANTED VOTERS!  
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
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UKIP SEEKS SINGLE ISSUE DISENCHANTED VOTERS Having put forward a schoolgirl to exploit student unrest but without policies or comment for Leicester!
It is noted there was no due process in her selection and Derek Clark’s happless drunk Don Ransome has seemingly been usurped to run the east midland’s campaign by Farage’s gofers!

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Hi,

clearly UKIP has nothing but contempt for the electorate promoting and exploiting school children who clearly can grasp little political understanding and one aspect is that politics is not a part time game ignoring the electorate when one wishes for a single narrow issue if one espouses leadership of a city.

Whilst a willing schoolgirl brings to mind the oft made fact that ‘give a child the encouragement of one adult and they will take on the world’ such an adult can only be seen as an abuser exploiting the gullibility of the child.

Shame on UKIP for holding Leicester in such contempt that they exploit a school girl with a single minority issue forward as a candidate – it puts the entire Party in a position of derision as does the manner in which the poor young girl has been exploited without due process within The Party.

As risible as the loud mouthed drunken boasts of Mr. Hogan in his bar in Chorley that he is maintaining his profile with UKIP as he is determined to be a leading candidate as an MEP!

Does anyone with half a brain cell believe these sort of antics will help get Britain out of The EU?
They are on a par with dressing up as chickens, publicity of UKIP promotion of perversion, endless drunken loutishness, urinating in hotel plant pots, coppulating with prostitutes on the bonnet of cars in public streets, blow up toy bulldozers, playing with WWII scout cars in the belief they were tanks, sitting on trailers in APCs in the pretence of having a tank on the Tory lawn!

When will UKIP find a leader of some ability and leave the childish stunts for their performing monkey?

When will UKIP clean up its act and TRY to make itself electable?

Leicester mayoral candidate speaks out

ANDERSON, Regine Amanda
51 Spendlow Gardens,
Leicester,
LE2 9BX
UK
Independence Party (UK I P)
Proposer: Horace Anderson
Agent: PANDYA, Abhijit
17 Mayfield Road, 
Stoneygate,
LE2 1RL
Tuesday, 26th April 2011

This summer I have been studying at home for my A-Levels like most students in my situation. But unlike most students I am also a candidate for the position of Mayor of Leicester, writes 18-year-old Regine Anderson.
There may be people asking why I put myself forward for such a position if I couldn’t make the time to canvass. It’s certainly not from a lack of respect for the position but because I am standing to highlight an issue which will affect thousands of young people all over the country.

I’m studying inside whilst the sun is shining outside because I want to go to university. But because of the ill educated decisions by the previous and current administrations this will cost me £27,000 in tuition fees alone for a three year course.

That is why I decided to be the candidate for UKIP: I’m standing for the only party that would do something different, something radical, about the funding of higher education in this country and the mountainous, ever-increasing debts that are being loaded onto the shoulders of young people, like me, who want a university education.

This issue is blighting the lives of the younger generation and needs to be addressed not with violence on the streets but by ordinary people calling for a change via the ballot box. By standing in this election I am giving people an opportunity to consider this terrible, and worsening, situation and express their concern.

UKIP is the only party that wants to abolish tuition fees and bring back student grants. It wants this because education benefits society as a whole, but only if it is addressed properly.

It’s simply ridiculous that 50% of students should go to university. All that happens when you do that is you lower the value of degrees and leave a dearth of other skills which used to be successful options for many schoolleavers.

We should be looking at a proper system of education in this country: multi-faceted education, with degrees for the academic and proper respect for the value of vocational, technical education and apprenticeships.

People need the chance to succeed at what they’re good at, and what the country needs, rather than be forced into a one-size-bankrupts-all straitjacket of ever-devaluing university education.

Only UKIP is offering this – which is why I am the Party’s candidate for Mayor, even if I do so from the depths of my revision notes.

To view the original crass statement CLICK HERE
You will find other comments on this youngster’s misguided aspirations and the crass nature of UKIP’s self serving at her expense in Leicester both on this blog and on Junius.

Leicester’s Mayoral sideshow is no concern of consequence but it is a measure of both how UKIP behaves, UKIP’s utter contempt for the electorate and clearly the contempt of senior members of UKIP for the due process of the Party they exploit as their self enriching route to the troughs on the gravy train.

When will UKIP get serious competent respectable leadership rather than the liars, cheats, chavs, bullies and clowns they currently have.
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#0440* – UKIP FAILED LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE OPINES ON AV

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/04/2011

#0440* – UKIP FAILED LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE OPINES ON AV
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Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 
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The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
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UKIP FAILED LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE Rodney ATKINSON OPINES IN PUBLIC ON AV vs FPTP!!

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Hi,

just as in the 2000 UKIP internal election one might well be justified in wondering if Atkinson would not be much happier living in Germany as all of his examples seem dependent on his opinions of Germany – One of the many reasons that it was clear to many of us that he was not a suitable as a leader for UKIP in those distant days!

To keep preaching that The EU was a Nazi plot was a recipe for suicide we felt. It would seem to have proved so for Atkinson when actively campaigned against he LOST.

That his thwarted personal ambitions still trouble him so long after would seem to indicate the members of UKIP made a wise decision in hind sight.

Whether an AV system would have favoured his ambitions at the time is now of little relevance. He LOST and a bad workman can always blame the tools at his disposal – perhaps with hindsight he might understand why I have NEVER aspired to political office nor even joined a political party.

They do say all political careers end in failure and his bitter attitude would indicate his ended in failure rather sooner than he had hoped! So it would seem from this letter I have received:

Dear Friends,

No one who knows me or my work will doubt my absolute devotion to the cause of democratic sovereignty and withdrawal from the European Union. But like the vast majority who joined the party committed to that goal I left UKIP in 2000 after the disgraceful corruptions of the leadership election in that year.

That behaviour indicated a fundamental instability in the democratic credentials of those who lead UKIP. It is now once again crystal clear, given their extraordinary short sighted support for the long term distortion of British politics by the Alternative Vote, that that leadership is a threat to British democracy itself.

As the electoral commission confirms in it’s description of AV it is perfectly possible for the winning candidate to have LESS than 50percent of the vote. In other words the whole claimed purpose of AV is frustrated by its practice. And its practice is grotesque.

Although not quite as disastrous as full blown PR, AV will guarantee permanent power for the same corrupt political class (from Kenneth Clarke and John Gummer to Ed Miliband and Keith Vaz to Nick Clegg and Chris Huhne) which has destroyed our economy, parliament and constitution over the last 20 years. And we should be under no illusions that once AV is in place full proportional representation will follow since the supporters of the latter will be helped into parliament by the former.

In Germany since the 2nd World War the Free Democrats (electoral but not ideological equivalent of Clegg’s Lib Dems) have been in virtually every Government since the War. Hans Dietrich Genscher was Foreign Minister for many years because the electoral system gave him the power to dictate that to both major parties as the price of his joining them in coalition. Don’t forget – the major political parties, given decisive power by our existing voting system, are themselves coalitions, except that they are open. Coalition Government s however are constructed in parliament AFTER an election and are covert arrangements made behind closed doors by party leaders, at the cost of voters and back benchers.

Most UKIP voters are fundamentally Tories or Labour and would return to those parties when sovereignty is restored. But Tory and Labour (ie the vast majority of British voters) will be greatly disadvantaged by AV while most anti UKIP voters are LiB Dems and Greens who are fanatical about AV because it will give those otherwise unelectable parties permanent seats in coalition governments. And with angry patriotic Socialists outside Labour and angry genuine Conservatives outside the Tory Party the leaderships of both parliamentary parties under AV will join with the Lib Dems and the Greens rather than cooperate with UKIP MPs – if there are any.

So while there MAY be short term opportunist advantage for UKIP’s individual leaders who fancy a seat in the House of Commons the long term political result will be the permanent defeat of those very principles which UKIP voters hold dear.

The reason why fewer and fewer people vote for the “major” political parties is not becasue of the electoral system but because British politics is morally and politically bankrupt. Most have given up voting altogether – although AV will not give the angry abstainers any box to tick! AV is a stitch up, a gross manipulation of the people in the guise of “giving them more votes”. More votes means less power to the voter and more power to politicians behind the scenes – as the Condem coalition proves every day. AV has all the attributes of bad law – it is complicated, not generally understood, difficult to scutinise and therefore open to fraud, gives some voters more power than others and the rulers more power than the ruled.

To that extent it is perfectly in harmony with the petty fascist society created by the British political class, to which the British people are turning their backs in utter comtempt. A class which UKIP now foolishly seeks to join.

Rodney Atkinson

To view the original letter CLICK HERE (belatedly)

I felt Atkinson’s published views required the following response:

Hi,

how unfortunate that poor Rodney Atkinson has so clearly never understood the British electoral process – It has always been the custom to campaign for those one believes to be the best to win it.

At the time there were those who believed that he was NOT the suitable leader and that he has led nothing before or since to my knowledge may well prove the point.

That he has been the adviser to some, by their choice, is not in dispute but I do believe he was NOT the best man to lead UKIP of those available, at the time. My opinion was endorsed by two of the leading political commentators of the time Bill Jamieson and Christopher Booker.

The corruption of which he speaks would seem largely to have been on his part subsequently with his vitriolic sour grapes – churned out to support his deeply challenged ego.

That Jeffrey Tittford won by a tiny margin in 2000 was a huge relief, though he was far from a good leader he was at least not a divisive leader and he had the experience of having held positions of leadership elsewhere.

Sadly UKIP has never attracted anyone of sufficient competence to lead it forward and thus it is dependent on a series of inadequates as leaders, but where the election has been based upon honest campaigning the best man has tended to win.

That their lack of direction now, relative to the interests of Britain, is clearly subsumed to a malign claque of inadequates and political pygmies currently in leadership and their parasites is indisputable and self evident.

That their current titular leader holds his position by dishonest means is indisputable and may explain his inadequacy as a leader!

However with a period of stability after the 2000 election that was granted by that tiny majority, the party developed through the years of Titford & Knapman, all be it uninspiringly.

Ssubsequent leadership has removed any foundations and grown the party as a bubble based on outright lies, abuse and self service – unfortunately.

It is questionable if UKIP exists other than in the form of a bubble and may vanish as irrelevant as were many of the aspirants to office as with many who achieved office.

I do concur Atkinson’s views of AV in the main, but the need to tread his sour grapes on the issue makes for a very poor grade of tonic.

The point overlooked by many is who gives a damn how Politicians are selected in Britain – they have betrayed our Country and no longer have any say in law making and thus attract mere self serving dross.

How one stacks such matter in a farm yard is a matter of little consequence, and the strutting cockerel atop the dung heap is just a noisy popinjay – Sounds much like UKIP does it not?

But look about you and what party is not thus?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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IF AGNEW, McWILLIAMS & McGOUGH Advocate A Sell Out:
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IF Stuart AGNEW, Steph McWILLIAMS &Mick  McGOUGH Advocate A Sell Out:!!

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IF AGNEW, McWILLIAMS & McGOUGH Advocate A Sell Out then let us face it that should be enough for decent folk to know that a Yes vote makes no sense for Britain!

Let us look at the claimed reasons for a yes vote which they put forward:

By Stuart Agnew MEP, Steph McWilliam of the South West Region
and NEC Member 
Mick McGough
        Stuart AGNEW MEP
Steph McWILLIAMS

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This vote is about three vital opportunities for our Party. First, this vote is about the Party being able to pay for a wide range of activities in the UK using, effectively, UK Taxpayer’s money returned to us by the EU.
Clearly larger parties will have a hugely larger amount. More tax payers’ money squandered on useless politicians – take the moral high ground and Vote NO.
Secondly, this vote will provide the Party with the services of a Think Tank which will enable us, for the very first time, to match our opponents in strategy and policy-formation. If we are to be a serious contender in British politics, this is a vital strength we must add.
A Think Tank requires individual capable of political thought – every time UKIP has had anyone of this ilk it has permitted its leader to fire them and replace them with a fully funded sycophant!
Thirdly, this vote is about denying our enemies approximately £1,300,000 in funding which will otherwise be divided up between them.
Slightly less than the cost of ONE MEP – if UKIP MEPs had danated a percentage of their salary to the party this sum would be dwarfed.
Above all, this vote is about building upon our successes from 2009 to today to displace the Liberal Democrats and win the European Elections in 2014.
UKIP has had no success – it has merely dishonestly capitalised on the lack of factual knowledge of the electorate relative to expenses and the promotion of The BNP by Farage & Croucher.

UKIP has lost its ONLY MEPs with any integrity.

Vote “NO” if you want UKIP to languish on the fringe of politics.
Vote NO and concentrate on Clening Up UKIP to make it electable – rid of liars, low lifes and cheats like McGough, Agnew, Bloom, Nuttall, Bannerman, Clark, Andreasen etc.
Vote “YES” for progress in our noble cause.
There is absolutely nothing ‘Noble’ about UKIP’s self serving garbage that forms its leadership and its parasites.
The scheme involves UKIP joining a European political party based on the existing Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group
But they are unprincipled trash – anti Jewish, anti homosexual, racist, xenophobic and pro EU membership and revisionism. EVER UKIP MEP of any morality has resigned because of these filth!
and creating a professional Think Tank to enable us
With the permission of UKIP’s utterly corrupt co-campaigners in the gutter of EU politics.
– for the first time – to produce policy papers explaining our messages.
Richard North waas producing those on a regular basis as was Heather Cunningham but UKIP leadership were too stupid to understand the value – so they fired them!
Starting from our current, comfortable set of working relationships with our prospective allies, we are advised that the ANNUAL allocation of funds would be:
But NO ONE would want to be associated with filth like that EVEN for money!

For the political party € 850,000 (£733,000 approx) and;
For the Think Tank € 500,000 (£431,000 approx)


That gives €1,350,000 (£1,164,000 approx.) gross per year.
PEANUTS relative to the amount UKIP leadership could contribute and a fraction of the cash they could raise if anyone respected or trusted them.
Deducting administration and salaries leaves about € 600,000 (£518,000 approx) for the political party and €350,000 (£219,000 approx) for the Think Tank.
UKIP Hugely over pays mediocre trash and for rational salaries could tripple the staff for research – Not ONE UKIP staff member is worth the money they are paid and these idiots want to squander more!.
UKIP might expect, with the size of its delegation, to get approximately half that sum every year. This would mean that, EVERY YEAR, we would have the benefit of the sum of up to € 475,000 (£400,000 approximately) from the political party and the Foundation.  To put this in perspective, the 2010 general election cost us some £350,000.  We currently have nothing like that at our disposal.
Due to profligacy, fraud, failures of accounting and seemingly amounts running into at least 7 figures that have seemingly been nicked. Farage alone boasts he has made £2Million over and above his salary and expenses!

He has been paying his wife £30K for years and now he pays a so called Tory based PR agency to rig internal elections for him whilst seemingly funding one of his mistresses a foul mouthed woman of proven low morality and gutter morays – with clearly little ability and corrupt – paid from Party funds or at very least funds available to the party!
By the end of this Parliament we will have had access to more than £1 million. This is a sum which we scarcely dream of raising by conventional methods.
RUBBISH this is a fraction of the money that has gone missing due to corrupt internal accounting.

What makes anyone think this new money wouldn’t be stolen too?
The grant is used to meet expenditure linked to the objectives set out in the European  party’s political programme, such as:

Meetings, conferences
Publications, studies, advertisements
Administrative, personnel, travel costs
Campaign costs connected to European elections.

This is just jumping through The EU’s hoops to get The EU bribes – how does this differ from prostitution?
For example, we might use it to produce a flyer for the UK’s young female voters on the effects of the recent European Court of Justice decision which will drive up their insurance premiums – in the name of equality!
IF OF COURSE the partners in this scam don’t wish to see it spent altering imigration from Afriica to Southern Italy to pay for train tickets for them to relocate to Britain.

SCARILY JUST AS POSSIBLE (though just as unlikely as UKIP producing a well thought out and designed leaflet!).
Given its direct connection to EU Law, we can pay for it under the publications heading.
WITH CLEARANCE from The EU AND partners in the Group!
As part of EFD we already have to conform to similar rules about what we can do and how. It has not caused a problem – and it will not cause a problem if we take this grant.
This is not true.

There is no accounting for the £76,000 per MEP currently obtained under the 400 Budget. Further there is no accounting for the 6000 Travel Budget – is the money designated but not used by UKIP MEPs used as bribes to buy members of the EFD Group?
We cannot use the grant to meet expenditure such as:
DO READ THE RULES! GoTo CLICK HERE & then CLICK the first picture.

Campaign costs for referenda1
Non-European elections
Funding national parties, candidates
Debts and debt service charges.


Much may be made of the exclusion of “direct or indirect funding”. But when 2014 comes along, we can use a big chunk of our share for the campaign costs of that year’s European Elections quite legitimately.

WITH the permission of one’s partners!
Do also bear in mind the fact that the leading parties will receive far more so all it means is that the cost of politics increases and UKIP will be absolutely no better off – whereas if they refused to please The EU they could make huge issue of how the public were not being allowed to vote democratically on a level playing field!

The EU itself makes that clear.

Do YOU really believe that the EU EVER makes anything clear? How very naiive!

In other years imagine what we could do with our grant to campaign on issues such as the European Arrest Warrant, European Court of Human Rights’ judgments or how the EU and the Treaties undermine our immigration policy.

Just think UKIP might even have thought of campaigning to Leave-The-EU!!

Right now we simply do not have the money.

The intelligence, the integrity or the ability!

Given that at least 75% of our laws are now made in Brussels, almost every subject that UKIP campaigns upon is affected by EU legislation.

One wonders how these clowns could have reached such a profound insight without a Think Tank!

That means that we can direct this money to help us in the UK.

Might that include publishing an exit and survival strategy that they have lacked the ability to produce in 18 years despite the many £Millions that have gone amiss!

Indeed it is probable that 90% of the funds can be so utilised.

IF UKIP’s partners don’t want the money spent on ammending the fisheries policy to benefit Mediteranean fishermen – maybe if the bribes are adequate they can also help fund Austria’s maritime policies!

On top of that we will have the Think Tank (Foundation).

Already a percentage of what support UKIP could give is being squandered on support of GM Foods, and other NFU policies. As for intelligence surely no one can take seriously any advice on research from a slime like Mick McGough who lied to and cheated his associates and Party members with his lies about being PPC for Harlow CLICK HERE

We would be able to match the likes of Open Europe and the Tories in producing high quality research and policy proposals.

Don’t be daft – they have both ability and experience – They also seem able to fund Think Tanks when clearly UKIP can’t even think let alone directionally!

We can  produce strategic material to set the agenda for political debate in the UK instead of always being the party which has to react to others’ ideas.

Hardly likely as UKIP under its present leadership is scared to death of intelligence and relies on bullying and abuse as a management style, not to mention distortion and lies!

We can use Think Tank funding to give professional presentations to the press.

Anyone can do that with just the simplest of ability and wise use of software and IT. All at virtually no cost.
IF UKIP is too incompetent for the huge amount squandered on the parasites it gathers in its Press Office & PR it could hire a professional.

In short, a Think Tank will help UKIP to punch above its weight and mix it with the Old Parties at an entirely new level.

RUBBISH you on the one hand explain how the professional politicians are streets ahead then you add money in liberal tranches to those same politicians and miraculously you expect UKIP to develope a brain!!
Get Real!

If we are to match our ambitions to become the third party of British politics and winners in 2014, this is a vital step to attain the professionalism so roundly endorsed by our membership in the 2010 leadership election.

Is there a reason you have chosen to fail and merely remain the third party?

All this does require a small amount of matched funding: as little as 10% of the amount. And initially we only have to raise a share proportionate to our size – and of that only a small  proportion has to be found up front. The rest can be found as individual projects are brought forward.  We can achieve that.

How come there is no record of consistent donation to the party by its MEPs other than for their own personal re-election and even then some like Farage NEVER make donations, as the record shows!

If conditions or the Regulations change unfavourably, we can leave at any time, just as one can leave an alliance or a coalition.

They are unfavourable!
There are no signs of UKIP disassociating from the scum in The EFD

There is, in addition, another side to these grants. Our €1,350,000 (£1,170,000 approx) comes from a finite pot. Presently 10 parties take money from that pot. If we become number 11, then the other ten parties lose, on average, €135,000 (£117,000 approx).

So UKIP’s insignificant gain would not significantly harm the larger parties!

So, there are benefits to UKIP which at one and the same moment harm our enemies: a double-whammy with our enemies in the middle!

Doesn’t this denote the weakness of the argument in favour of prostituting UKIP to obliging The EU?

Just as the Salvation Army used to go around pubs and sell their publications with the slogan “Take the Devil’s money to do God’s work!”, so might we take what is after all UK Taxpayer’s money and use it to bring us victory in our noble cause. Would you rather that YOUR money is used to fund our enemies’ campaigns or to fund UKIP’s?

Even ignoring the moral issue of obliging the EU and jumping through their hoops –
Consider the wisdom of providing ones enemies with £20 to buy weapons in return for being given £2.50.
The sum one receives relative to ones’ enemies is so paultry in relationship that it is better to hold the moral high ground and sabotage the scheme.

If you think that this money might just come in a bit handy to help destroy Federalism and Integration, vote ‘YES’!

Voting YES I believe I have clearly shown aids The EU to advance its corrupt aims at the expense of these United Kingdoms whilst some completely idiotic numpties can be duped into assisting The EU with a Yes vote!

The ‘NO’ campaign alleges that the UKIP brand would be diluted. This is nonsense.

You fail totally to make an argument let alone a convincing OR valid argument. Giving other parties £20 and UKIP £2.50 by definition dilutes UKIP’s efficacy – the only answer is to block the EU’s scam and seize the moral high ground.

The Conservatives are part of a European Political Party. Which is better known in the UK: ‘The Conservative Party’ or ‘The Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists’?

Stop 100 people in the street and not more than 5 would be able to tell you this, possibly even less.

Indeed has anyone ever heard of ‘The Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists’? Of course not, because the Tories still fight under their own name and their brand is not diluted in any way.

You make my point for me yet you seek to grant legitimacy to Pan EU Political Parties supplanting National Parties in international Groups – DO READ THE RULES!

The ‘NO’ campaign claims taking part in a European Political Party is ‘Federalist’ and ‘Integrationist’.

It undeniably is as it requires subsuming ones’ National Party and asspirations to a Pan EU Party. Do WAKE-UP!

But surely to do so is no more ‘Federalist’ and ‘Integrationist’ than taking part in European Elections or, once elected, taking your seat and being an MEP.

Don’t be daft – there is absolutely no similarity and giving bufoons like you money to run a think tank shows the danger of this new EU Scam.

Every month our MEPs receive substantial sums. Are they thereby taking the ‘Federalist’ and ‘Integrationist’ Shilling? No! The money for the party is no more ‘Federalist’ and ‘Integrationist’ than the money paid to MEPs.

This is a falsehood and clearly it is a calculated risk – though equally clearly most UKIP MEPs have gone totally Native and even Farage has castigated MEPs like Derek Clark for doing no work in their constituencies – naturally he fears the liar and dishonest Marta Andreasen and has not commented on her disinterest in her constituency, wherever she may consider that to be, Barcelona?

And, remember, using this money, they are daily carrying the fight to the very heart of the EU in Brussels and Strasbourg.

Which in 18 years has been shown to be a complete waste of time as The EU Parliament is a complete irrelevance and only of use, as Nikki Sinclaire uses it, to provide sound bites to address in the British Media – That her hard work has spread across the media of the rest of The EU is a measure of her efficacy!

Stuart Agnew’s ONLY National coverage has been for his corruption, dishonesty and fraud!

The ‘NO’ campaign says that “accepting its money is corrupt”. So is the ‘NO’ campaign saying that our MEPs and their staff are corrupt?

Well? Answer that for yourself and you will soon realise why UKIP has NEVER achieved anything of value in The UK – They are not trusted because of their widely publicised corruption – whether theft by Agnew, Fraud by Clark, Agnew, Bannerman, self enrichment and infantile behaviour of Farage, the lies of Andreassen, Agnew, Bannerman, Agnew, Batten, the collusion in corruption by each and every UKIP MEP CLICK HERE

There is absolutely no way that it can be denied, on numerous counts, that UKIP MEPs and staff are corrupt – one even went to prison for fraud, so far, despite strenuous protection by his associates who colluded in his criminality and Farage even p[rofitted from it. Consider the undeniable dishonesty of Annabelle Fuller bringing UKIP into disrepute and the contempt for British Courts and dishonourable behaviour of Mark Croucher acting with UKIP’s support CLICK HERE

Of course not.

We all have different standards, I appreciate, however clearly yours are shown to be beneath contempt.

That they make this allegation merely demonstrates the absurdity of their argument.

I will happily debate your lies, dishonesty, corruption and misrepresentation on ANY public platform which I can attend.

As we see below, some time ago, after proper debate, the Party took the pragmatic decision to fight and take up seats in the European Parliament. It did so notwithstanding the ‘Federalist’ and ‘Integrationist’ nature of the institution.
Who now says this was the wrong decision?

Many still consider it was a mistake and the glee with which MEPs and their parasites leap onto the gravy train and seem to do NOTHING of value towards Leave-The-EU but much to further their election chances would incline to display this fact!

May I remind the author that at the UKIP Party Conference there was a very clear debate against joining Pan EU Political Parties – Yet just like the EU those who hope for self enrichment seek to overturn the Party Members’ Decision to seek a different result.

And some claim UKIP MEPs have not adopted the morays of The EU!

No one, for the simple reason that it provides the noble cause we all serve with an enormous platform to fight the enemies of British Independence

Is this a management decision to LIE and deny the unequivocal rejection of the concept by Members?

– a platform which the gerrymandered Westminster electoral system denies us.

Do look up ‘gerrymander’ rather than display your complete political ignorance when relative to this issue!

Taking what some called the ‘Federalist’ and ‘Integrationist’ Shilling has boosted our cause exponentially.

It CAN be argued that it has prostituted the integrity hence we have filth like Mick McGough, Stuart Agnew and their ilk telling lies to try to promote a Yes Vote and the sell out of UKIP.

The ‘NO’ campaign alleges UKIP will have to pay tax to HMRC on this money. They are wrong. The only tax that a European Political Party will have to pay is VAT.

So the Party will have to pay tax on the income – Surely even political ignorami like Mick McGough and Stuart Agnew realise that VAT stands for Value Added TAX – which is a tax of £2 in every £10!

A TAX Dummy!

The ‘NO’ campaign contends that this money may not be used for UK political activity.

Read the rules – this is still a matter of debate!

This too is nonsense.

Please quote the exact authorisation that this money may be freely used to influence domestic politics – even WITH permission from UKIP’s pro EU associates!

As we have seen much of our grant may properly and legally be directed at our target audience.

We have also noted that much of it can be paid into off shore accounts and that UKIP can not be trusted to produce transparent open accounts with even the slightest semblance of probity.

You may be astonished to know that UKIP MEPs are so unaccountable and UKIP NEC are so ill informed that when Mike Nattrass MEP in a forthright rejection of the manner in which UKIP was led and managed there were NEC members who disn’t even realise Nigel Farage was paying his wife despite his promise to UKIP, the members and the electorate that never would he or any elected UKIP official pay a family member.

YES THEY ARE THAT STUPID!

Moreover, does anyone imagine that the Tories take all their money (the best part of €2,000,000 or £1,750,000 approx) and spend it all in Brussels? Only the utterly naive would credit such an idea.

The vagiaries of other Parties are NOT the issue the issue is how clearly it has been proven that UKIP is not to be trusted and its MEPs and staff are as a generalisation reasonably denounced as corrupt, dishonest and untrustworthy.

The contention of the ‘NO’ campaign that we must concentrate on the UK media to the exclusion of Brussels is, once again, deeply misguided.

No wonder you can give no example why! Clearly IF UKIP sees itself as a withdrawalist party its ONLY relevant audience is Britain and its ONLY place of power to achieve withdrawal is the British electorate.

The ‘NO’ campaign asserts that a European Political Party might endorse integration. Hardly, as we would have a major part in drawing up the party’s political programme. Are we likely to endorse a programme encouraging integration?

EXACTLY what HAS happened. Wee Willy Dartmouth has advocated additional laws to be implemented by The EU.
Clark advocated GREATER subsidiarity of Britain to The EU and also co-operation with The EU to strengthen the control of its committees over the vassal states.
Marta Andreassen has openly advocated Reform rather than withdrawal.
UKIP’s election leader even advocated voting for The Tories.
Stuart Agnew advocates policies for The NFU.

I believe my point is clearly made!

The absurdity of the question demonstrates just how weak are the ‘NO’ campaign’s arguments.

Better that the NO campaign weaklly put their facts than stridently lie like the Yes Campaign fronted by liars.

It is suggested that a European Political Party would somehow lead to the end of national political parties.

Do read the rules in conjunction with the EU Constitution Lisbon Treaty.

Ask yourself this: is the Conservative Party likely to abolish itself and campaign in UK elections as ‘The Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists’?

YES – Do not forget Edward Heath later admitted that he had LIED to deliberately mislead the electorate.

A moment’s thought reveals that this too is absurd. 

Are YOU capable of a moment’s thought? Almost every point made for a Yes vote has been a complete misrepresentation.

The Tories would be committing political suicide.

What bunkum if they believe they will hold a controlling role in a major Pan EU Political Party – They would see this as an advance in their political ambitions as they are, as a party, pro EU membership.

We may think the Tories stupid, but they are not that stupid.

Is it not YOU being ‘stupid’ that you lack the political comprehension to understand guile rather than your own coarse dishonesty?

The Regulations make it clear we can use this money to campaign for European Elections.

WITH your partners’ permission and in accordance with EU constraints – Do read the rules!

In 2014 we aim to come first.

Yet a mere few paragraphs earlier the aim was to come third or was that only in the more important UK Political genre?

How are we to fund that ambition?

Particularly if as part of voting Yes we are giving our enemies more money than we get proportionately – That would clearly exacerbate the problem to no gain.

Will access to several hundred thousand Euros help or hinder us?

Hinder if it is beset with regulation and if in gaining that sum we morally grant the 3 main parties who are ALL pro EU £1Million each!
Do try joined up thinking!

As to raising money, the EU’s rules on donations are, compared to the UK’s, short, simple and elastic.

UKIP found UK rules eleastic and were found guilty in Court of being on the fiddle! Aided largely by Farage and Andrew Smith – Mick McGough’s sponsor!!
You may recal Andrew Smith was exposed as treasurer issuing an internal ‘e’Mail which I published advocating corruption and dishonesty with the intent to deceive the Electoral Commission – a matter about which, without ANY credibility Mick McGough has repeatedly lied and misrepresented as we see in the Yes Campaign’s dishonest presentation for personal gain.

Thus we shall be able to receive donations from expatriates and others who are otherwise prohibited in the UK.

Indeed – watch out Rob McWhirtter, they will be tracking you down in Switzerland! 
UKIP has already laundered corrupt donations from foreign donors as The Sunday Times exposed, using Global Britain a scam set up by Michael Pearson.

This will provide a new, untapped resource.

Rubbish – as a resource it is easily circumvented within the framework of electoral law it is just that UKIP has consistently been too stupid to act within the law!

And, remember that UKIP will be one of the big beasts in this party and so will be able to call the shots.

RUBBISH – UKIP currently has a mere 10 out of the 29 MEPs with 2 more likely to leave after the election and possibly as many as 6 wishing to leave to position themselves for re-election by the end of November.

Already we know that Bannerman is making further overtures to the Tories as has Andreassen in the past and it seems likely the dim wit Wee Willy temper tantrum will also jump ship. Then since John Bufton’s aims and values are those of UKIP members rather than the corrupt EFD and Farage it seems likely he will have the integrity to leave.

I doubt Batten will have the integrity as he lacks both integrity and moral conviction and I would guess that those outside of The EFD whether calling themselves UKIP or not would rather he did not join them as he is both untrustworthy and of very little merit or competence.


Rather Ruritainian as Big Beasts go – More The Mouse That Roared!

Finally, are we about to compromise our principles, as the “NO” campaign suggest?

Did they ‘suggest’ that – Irather thought they stated it unequivocally and again may I remind those of you on the make and the take that at The UKIP Conference the Membership soundly rejected the idea of joining a Pan EU Political Party.

Again, No!

Just how thick are you – surely you can not believe your own lies?

The Regulation says that a European Political Party must subscribe to the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law.

Run that past me again!
You are quoting The EU as your founding principles – personally I trust virtually NOTHING that has emanated from The EU in the last 60 years.

UKIP might be said to support these principles more honestly and more comprehensively than any other party in the UK or, indeed the EU itself.

It is sad that there are so many proven liars, cheats and scoundrells seeking self aggrandisement and self enrichment as part of the leadership of UKIP and it parasites that climb all over the party like maggots in betrayal of principles seeking rewards!

This issue is the third substantive battle within UKIP between the purists and the pragmatists. Taking the money is the pragmatic option. It has prevailed twice before – and if the party is to succeed, then the pragmatists need to win again.

Pragmatists? Every time one eneters into a deal that prostitutes the party the party is demeaned.

Just look at how the party has collapsed in terms of informed activists, replacing much of the party with chavs, fools and the self seeking – unable after 18 years to field sufficient candidates to earn an electoral broadcast!

The pragmatism has led to making the party a laughing stock – would the purists act like fools and dress up as chickens? Would they field a schoolgirl unselected by due process as candidate for Mayor in a Major City? Would pragmatism back a series of failed publicans? Would pragmatism bring the party into disrepute in the Courts?

Yes twice before the pond life and filth have demeaned UKIP and yet again they seek self enrichment at the expense of the Party and principles –That is not pragmatism, that is prostitution.

In 1994 there was furious debate about the proposal to fight seats for the EU Parliament elections but not to take them up. Then in 1998 we agreed to take our seats if elected.

Since UKIP has effectively rendered itself irrelevant – Do you have a point?

One of those who left the party in disagreement over these very issues was Gerard Batten. Now an MEP, Gerard is a valued colleague, using his position (and money from the EU’s taxpayers) to fight – hard and effectively – for this great cause.

The man is a twerp of no value to the party as shown by his vote in The Mayoral Election and the near total collapse of his constituency. A man with no understanding of morality or Justice – show boating on Phillipino Catholic Politics of anti Islamism – his sole claim to achievem,ent being a brief re-write of the Government Pink Book on occasions to show the costs of EU membership – which The Pink Book shows without the re-write and used to be produced by Harry Randall on EUroRealist and SilentMajority within 2 days of The Government publishing The Pink Book!

How many of UKIP’s members would seriously oppose those decisions now?

As well over 30.000 have left in that period it is not hard to argue that the outcome suited the rump and dross of UKIP that remained.

The next step was to form part of a Group.

Which was catastrophic as the first group was led by the willey old Piers Bonde and it was through him that Farage would seem to have learned many of the tricks of corruption and dishonesty it seems.

Many saw it as a betrayal. Now, not only has it helped financially but it boosts speaking time and thus our profile: would UKIP and Nigel Farage have any hope of such exposure if he was not a Group leader?

Provably untrue and the EFD bears no resemblance. Farage is now linked irrevocably to the racism, anti Judaism, violence, dishonesty, corruption, anti homosexuality and pro EU stance of the majority of the group he runs and has duplicitousy subsumed UKIP into in direct contravention of the wishes of the members and it seems without the knowledge of some of the dim wits and fruit cakes on the NEC.

We know that the Parliamentary authorities try every legal trick in the book to censor and silence Nigel. 

Rubbish – cite a single example to substantiate such a silly claim.

Being in a Group means they can no longer freeze him out at key moments.

He manages to do this himself with the inanity of many of his comments – a performing monkey without the control of an Organ Grinder is a liability.

Do read the column inches in the press and the near total lack of National coverage of UKIP of any gravitas – because none is earned!

Above all, the formation of an opposition Group was exactly what the Europhiles and our enemies didn’t want us to do.

That UKIP has made itself look fools and behaved like fools and conjoined with the gutter sweepings of EU politics can surely not, in the most tortured and deluded mind, be construed as of benefit to these United Kingdoms.

That equally applies to creating a new political party in the Parliament.  It is exactly the step our enemies do NOT want us to take – which is why we MUST take it.

You are beyond ANY doubt your own worst enemies.

Would supporters of UKIP have so much ammunition in their efforts to clean-up the Party to TRY to make it electable as a Party that honourable men and women would vote for if informed – It is the very style of leadership and parasites l;ike yourselves that provide the amjmunition and drive true UKIP supporters and Patriots to exposing your corruption, dishonesty and outright lies – so clearly made for self enrichment.

Winston Churchill said in a speech in April 1941:“Give us the tools and we will finish the job”

It is well known that it is a bad workman that endlessly blames his tools.

UKIP Leadership and its maggots can find any number of excuses for their failure but are clearly unwilling to
CLEAN-UP THE PARTY to MAKE IT ELECTABLE

That clarion call might have been crafted with this issue, this Party and this moment in history in mind.

Wordy and pretentious cr@p – which book did which illiterate find this in!

This vote is about giving the Party the tools to finish the job.

It is clearly NOT the Tools at Fault but the corrupt leadership.

1 As a result of a vote in committee in March 2011, it is very likely that the restriction on using grants for referenda will be totally abolished. This is particularly relevant to any referendum held under the proposed European Union Bill 2011 currently going through Parliament. If a sovereignty referendum is called, all three of the old parties will in future be able to use this money to campaign for a “YES” vote. If we do not take this money we will be severely at a disadvantage in such a referendum. If we join up, however, we can use their funds to fight for a “No Transfer” vote.

My Word YOU have Gone Native – YOU can not be real quoting EU woffle as justification for your foolish claims.

YOU imply that EU committees have some relevance in the law making process – SINCE WHEN!

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#0438* – APRIL – 2 VERY SOUND REASONS to Vote NO to PEPP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/04/2011

#0438* – APRIL – 2 VERY SOUND REASONS to Vote NO to PEPP
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APRIL – 2 VERY SOUND REASONS to Vote NO to PEPP!

That Stuart Agnew MEP & Mick McGough Espouse a YES vote must tell you all you need to know to be certain to vote NO & Preserve UKIP!

TO VIEW MORE DETAILS on PEPP CLICK HERE!

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APRIL – 2 VERY SOUND REASONS to Vote NO to PEPP
 Hi,

that Pan EU Political Party Membership is espoused by these two proven totally dishonest individuals speaks volumes for the prostitution of UKIP to their aims and values as they seek their personal self enrichment and aggrandisement.

      
Neither of these odious individuals have ever shown ANY interest in the probity, morality or reputation of UKIP or the interests of its members.

Stuart Agnew and Mick McGough were both only too willing to lie, bully and cheat for their personal selection CLICK HERE both men colluded in corruption and are without honour or integrity.

That Stuart Agnew MEP brought UKIP into disrepute when exposed involved in Fraud by The Sunday Times is irrefutable and that he has made ZERO contribution to the aims of members to Leave-The-EU is clear as he defrauds the tax payer  for his own gain.


Mick McGough is a low life beneath contempt with neither dignity, self respect nor integrity CLICK HERE

That these are the caliber of proponents for the prostitution of UKIP to aid The EU should come as no surprise to the informed as they would clearly do any underhand deal for personal gain.
 
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#0437* – UKIP WALES – HAS IT A FUTURE WHEN SO OUT of TOUCH?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 23/04/2011

#0437* – UKIP WALES – HAS IT A FUTURE WHEN SO OUT of TOUCH?
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UKIP WALES – HAS IT A FUTURE WHEN SO OUT of TOUCH?
UKIP WALES HAD THE ONE CHANCE WITH Richard SUCHORZEWSKI BUT LOST OUT BASED ON THE LIES of FARAGE’S SYCOPHANTS & HIS PRESS OFFICE!

The next Chairman John PRATT quit the party to protect his reputation!

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Hi,

you may consider some thought about UKIP Wales’ plight:

Smaller parties trying to end domination of big four

Senedd building  
Many of the smaller parties are concentrating on the 20 regional list seats

Could 2011 be the year when Wales’ four biggest political parties are forced to make room in the assembly for a smaller rival? BBC Wales political reporter Daniel Davies looks at the smaller parties contesting the election on 5 May.

All but one of the 60 members in the last assembly came from Labour, the Conservatives, the Welsh Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru.

The other, independent Trish Law, is not standing again this year.

Will the stranglehold of the big four be broken on 5 May?

Many of the smaller parties are concentrating their efforts on the 20 regional seats. Among them are the Wales Green Party which is trying to persuade Labour supporters to use their second vote to go Green. Their leader Jake Griffiths tops the party’s regional list in south Wales central where he hopes to become the party’s first AM.

The party is offering a Green New Deal it says would create 50,000 jobs in a low-carbon economy. It is also offering a free insulation programme, aiming to insulate 40,000 homes a year.

Since the 2009 European election, the UK Independence Party (Ukip) has had a foothold in Welsh politics, through MEP John Bufton. It would get MPs to do the work of AMs, but Nathan Gill, who is standing in the north Wales region, hopes to be Ukip’s first AM.

Although Ukip says Wales is over-governed, it does not want to abolish the assembly. Instead, it argues it should be “renewed” in what it says would be a far less costly form.

To view the whole article CLICK HERE

Hi,

I was driving around Cardiff Bay which is the main offices of The EU’s Regional seat of government that UKIP believes it MAY play a part in. It is incredible just how seedy and decrepid the entire area is with its pretentious buildings and shoddy finishing, its litter and its look of desertion with so many shops and businesses closed due to mismanagement.

The journey into Velindre in Rush hour last week was actually quieter with so much unemployment than during the day last Wednesday for my chemo!

Minded of just how recent was the imposition of devolved irresponsibility – for there is absolutely no doubt that the vote to create the scam was both dishonest AND rigged and the recent referendum was so poorly attended that its outcome had ZERO moral validity.

You may remember that in order to raise the profile of debate and also to show just how stupid Welsh Politicians are to a man I registered: CLICK HERE

I fear UKIP are misguided on the issue of Welsh Politics but they have no serous vision for Wales least of all when you consider Nigel Farage’s imposition of a chum as lead candidate in a General Election:

A measure of the contempt in which Farage holds UKIP Wales was not only that he foist his drinking buddy Dai Llewellyn on the party shortly prior to his death from drink related disease but that he kept the odious Jim Carver in position stifling any progress until he was finally removed by Richard Suchorzewski after a long period of stagnation with Carver as Regional Organiser selling his umbrellas rather than building UKIP Wales.

Now without ANY meaningful consultation Farage has imposed a divisive pro Assembly policy as a reformer and not as a withdrawalist from The EU – leading to the fracturing of UKIP Wales with John Bufton MEP Wales effectively gazumped by Farage and left out of the Party attempt at a policy launch!

That UKIP believes it is likely to have ANY impact in the upcoming election in Wales when it is so disjointed and its web site failed even to address either the fact that its MEP had had a stroke before Christmas and clearly whilst John Bufton was trying to recover to rejoin the gravy train clearly NO ONE in Wales did a stroke of work and the imbecilic and ill mannered Regional Organiser Kevin Mahoney just alienated what supporters there were and drifted as a freeloader doing NOTHING of value.

There was not even a statement of the Party policy on the recent Referendum in Wales and no visible presence!

Now there is the myth being put about that UKIP will get an Assembly Member, when it wishes effectively (well Farage does) to dismantle the assembly and reform it. The claim is that with 5% of the vote across Wales that will earn an Assembly Member – well sadly not or they MIGHT have had SOME chance but with the 6.8% target as I believe it is the chances become slim so young Nathan Gill is unlikely to get his place on the gravy train as unliklely as his Mum who I THINK is also standing in North Wales!

IF John Bufton MEP has ANY integrity and in the light of Farage’s shameful behaviour I can see him leaving the squalid EFD Group as soon as the elections are over to try to make himself sufficiently credible that he may have a role in future elections in Wales as UKIP withers.
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#0436* – Mike NATTRASS MEP – SOLD OUT FOR A SILVER EURO

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/04/2011

#0436* – Mike NATTRASS MEP – SOLD OUT FOR A SILVER EURO
Mike Nattrass, MEPImage via Wikipedia

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Mike NATTRASS MEP – SOLD OUT FOR A SILVER EU!

It is good to see a growing Group of MEPs Rejecting Pan EU Corruption in a Party Group & Becoming credible again!

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Hi,

sorry I overlooked this ‘e’Mail.

It is good to see that Mike Nattrass MEP can once again stand up for Britain with some credibility now that he is no longer in thrall to a Pan EU Political Party Group – Whilst in The EFD he was clearly untrustworthy as he was promotting many odious values that had no relationship to these United Kingdoms.

Not least of the odious actions of The EFD is the aim to Reform The EU as with Marta Andreasen the odious Spanish charlatan put in place with lies and dishonesty and the support of Nigel Farage for details of the corrupt selection process CLICK HERE for details of the dishonesty and corruption of the self serving Spaniard CLICK HERE

Further for as long as Mike Nattrass remained in The EFD his credibility was ZERO as he was supporting Racism, Xenophobia, violence, anti Judaism, anti homosexuality and much more as do be minded his partners included a part of The Italian Government supporting Beresconni and having helped steer The EU Constitution Lisbon Treaty into being.

Further as a member of the group there was no honest accounting made of the 400 Budget being claimed by Nigel Farage amounting to £76,000 per MEP in his EFD Group. Where Mike’s 6000 Budget for travel went was not even known to Mike himself and as he said to UKIP NEC NO UKIP MEP in the EFD Group knew how Nigel Farage spent, invested or stole their money – though we do understand he has been forced to permit Marta Andreasen to have control of her own money as she looks for another party to join!

At last free of the thrall of the corruption Mike Nattrass can again start to earn back the respect he lost and start to be taken seriously in defence of Britain and in support of his Constituents now working with Nikki Sinclaire and Trevor Colman towards a common goal – LEAVE-THE-EU

Sorry I missed this earlier ‘e’Mail – HAVE checked and it is on Mike’s web site but like many of us we are out of the habit of visiting his web site as he was not to be trusted whilst supporting The EFD Group.

From: mike nattrass
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: SOLD OUT FOR A SILVER EURO?

Press Release 14th April.

SOLD OUT FOR 30 PIECES OF EURO SILVER?

As one of the six MEPs for the West Midlands with offices very close to the Jewellery Quarter in Birmingham, as a member of the Federation of Small Businesses, as someone with a personal interest in antiques and British silver and as one who stands up for my country, I am firmly opposed to the Government’s plan to scrap our hallmarking system.

The quality of our silver is the envy of Europe, which is why every 5 years the EU attempt to scrap the British hallmarking system. Much of European silver is self regulated, is of a lower quality than our own and does not have the world’s confidence, nor is it collected in the way British silver is sought after and treasured.

Since 1371 we in this country have had a quality control system for precious metals which is universally understood, fit for purpose and with an intrinsic value. The scrapping of the hallmarking system would destroy the Halls themselves and the expertise they have built up over centuries. It would have a massive impact on businesses large and small in the jewellery, metalworking, bullion and antique trades which are struggling to keep their heads above water in these lean economic times. This is an economic ‘own goal’ and benefits our overseas competitors.

It would undermine the world wide collectors’ market for precious metals in which the UK is a central player. At a stroke the Government would destroy not only a key aspect of our cultural heritage, but also a valuable income source for UK plc which it can ill afford to lose.

This system is not ‘outmoded’ just because it has existed for centuries. The reverse is true; because this system has existed for so long, it adds value to the articles to which it is applied and it supports a vibrant and economically valuable trade. It is economic nonsense as well as cultural thuggery to scrap the British hallmarking system.

It is time we stood up to pressure from the EU to degrade our industries and culture and here is a classic case, because our Hallmarking system beats the world.

MIKE NATTRASS UKIP MEP
West Midlands

As both a neumismatist and also having bought and sold precious metals over many years – actively trading in gold and silver for over 30 years I totally endorse Mike Nattrass’ comments.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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#0435* – 0.2354 troy ounces of Pure GOLD

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 22/04/2011

#0435* – 0.2354 troy ounces of Pure GOLD!
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0.2354 troy ounces of Pure GOLD A BRITISH STANDARD!
BEING THE WEIGHT of A SOVEREIGN COMMEMORATING St. GEORGE!

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We have commemorated St. George on our coinage in many forms
over the years
Command over one’s own currency and banking
interest rates and borders
Laws & Governance
are the Hallmark of 
One’s Nation Status

It is no coincidence that Britain
Rule by a Constitutional Sovereign Monarch
has for centuries revered in Gold a coin
A SOVEREIGN

Commemorating Britain’s Patron Saint
St. George
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The Symbolical Myth of the slaying of a dragon.

MAY I

Wish You a Sovereign Day
of
St. GEORGE
in memory of liberty squandered by our 
self serving Political Elite!

The date of St George’s Day comes from the church calendars. In Anglican and Catholic calendars, when 23 April falls too close to Easter, St George’s Day is moved.

In 2011, for example, 23 April will be Holy Saturday and St George’s Day is transferred to Monday 2 May.

This of course is a nonsense as 23rd. April commemorates the day of St. George’s death in 303 AD – not a date that shifts around with the vagaries of a church calendar. The 23rd. April falls on the 23rd. April every year!

That the mythology and tradition of St. George may well be arbitrary in its origins hardly makes it arbitrary in a precise calendar merely as there is confusion as to a set date for Easter!

Therefore I
Wish You a Sovereign Day
of
St. GEORGE
in memory of liberty squandered by our 
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on 23-Apr-2011

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#0434* – UKIP vs True Finns – The EU,

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 21/04/2011

#0434* – UKIP vs True Finns – The EU,#0000* – TITLE!

Chairman of the True Finns party Timo Soini at...Image via Wikipedia

 
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UKIP vs True Finns – The EU, The EUro & PR!!

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Hi,

an interesting reflection on True Finns and the effect on the EUro, The EUrozone & The EU as a result of the changes in Finnish politics where unlike UKIP in Britain True Finns have a credible leadership RELATIVE to the other parties on offer.

Sadly UKIP has no credible leadership when measured by any standards with its endless self demeaning denigartion unable to address facts or answer questions merely resorting to defamatory and childish gutter style attempts to bully and abuse their critics and other supporters who seek to try to clean up the party to one day make it electable.

Yes indeed True Finns had the advantage of PR voting but this endlessly has given rise to muddled coallitions as with Italy and no effective credible Government as PR does – favouring the failures and also rans against the achievers and the strategists as shown in that without a credible policy to their name and a largely fascist approach to a communist agenda by clever strategy and sound leadership even the Greens have managed to achieve a seat at Westminster.

True Finns achieved over 19% of the vote a figure aspired to but rarely achieved even in single seats by UKIP.

The Price of the Euro in Finland

The single currency is exacting ever-higher political and economic costs.

When European Union leaders forged their monetary union without a full political and economic merger, they gambled on two vital factors: That economic forces could be kept in check, and that national democracies could be managed.
Over the past 16 months, we have been reminded time and again exactly how big and how irresponsible those gambles were. Sunday’s was arguably the strongest reminder yet, courtesy of the anti-euro True Finns party that may hold the balance of power in the next Finnish government. Paris, Berlin and Brussels seem not to have factored Nordic populism into their grand plans for the euro. But ultimately the euro zone is about politics, and politics remain as local as they ever were.
In the run-up to Sunday’s polls, the True Finns strongly opposed a bailout for Portugal. Their promise to block any future transfers of Finnish money to rescue profligate European governments helped them win a spectacular 19% of the vote, compared to just over 4% in the last general election. That put them only slightly behind the largest group in parliament, the National Coalition Party, which won 20.4% of the vote, and behind the second-biggest Social Democrats by only a hair. By skillfully moving along the right-left political spectrum—acting as social democrats in nationalists’ clothing—the True Finns filled a vacuum in Finnish politics that stemmed from disillusionment with the traditional parties.

Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

The True Finns’ success will not change European politics overnight, and the party may not even succeed in blocking Finland’s participation in future bailouts. But, irrespective of what we think of the True Finns, the election does highlight how powerfully a euro-zone crisis can contribute to shaping national politics. Euro bailouts were also an important issue in Slovakia’s elections last year, and helped to deliver a new governing coalition that refused to take part in Europe’s Greek bailout. That government only reluctantly kicked in later to help create the temporary bailout fund that euro leaders are now looking to replace after 2013.
This year the True Finns asked voters to consider the same question that Slovaks did last year: Why should they work harder and retire later to pay for the mistakes and wasteful habits of southern European governments? This “triple-A populism” has proven a powerful force in a number of countries with sparkling credit ratings, including Germany. Writ large, this weekend’s Finnish elections are a rebuke of one of the euro zone’s central, and fatal, conceits: that political ambition can trump economic and democratic realities.
For years, politicians as well as markets assured themselves that economies could share a single currency (and a single interest rate) despite having radically different levels of competitiveness and credit-worthiness, and even lacking centralized fiscal policies and proper labor-market mobility to compensate for economic divergences. Markets have now finally woken up to the fact that Greece and Germany are poles apart; it is time for EU leaders to do so as well. Ireland, Greece and Portugal have made all too clear that economic forces can rarely be predicted, let alone contained.
Some particularly federal-minded EU leaders took this as a pretext to push even harder for a full-fledged fiscal union. Former European Commission President Romano Prodi wrote in an op-ed in the Financial Times last May that “When the euro was born everyone knew that sooner or later a crisis would occur. . . . I was warning years ago that, through no one’s fault in particular, extraordinary events could occur that would force joint co-ordination of fiscal policies.”
That sentiment spurred EU leaders to take their next major gamble, which was even riskier than the first: They bet that once they did start to effect robust economic and political union, national voters and parliaments would play along and vote the “right” way. So last year, when the EU elites decided to break their own treaties and turn the euro zone into a de facto debt union, they forced taxpayers in some countries to take on the liabilities of foreign governments in other countries—without the possibility of voting these governments out of office.
But taxpayers are now showing signs of revolt. It is too early to tell how the results in the Finnish election will affect the ongoing bailout operation in Euroland. The True Finns could hugely complicate a Portuguese bailout, since use of the euro zone’s rescue package requires unanimity among participating governments and, by Finnish law, the Finnish parliament’s approval.
The True Finns and the Social Democrats, who want Portugal to restructure its debt rather than seek a bailout, together will occupy 81 out of 200 seats in the new Finnish parliament. Both could well form part of the next government alongside the National Coalition Party, which means that EU leaders are already looking for ways to circumvent Finnish democracy and persuade the True Finns to break their campaign promises.
Even if they succeed, EU leaders will still have to deal with the countries on the other end of the bailouts: Greece, Ireland and Portugal, whose voters are increasingly wary of EU-backed austerity measures. As much as taxpayers in rich countries don’t like to pay for other governments’ mistakes, voters in poor countries also don’t like being told what to do by people they never elected and can’t vote out of office.
Will EU politicians’ second gamble turn out as ill-judged as their first? Time will tell. But one thing is clear. The political price that European leaders are paying to keep their flawed project afloat continues to rise.

Mr. Persson is director of Open Europe, a London-based think tank.

To view the original Wall Street Journal Article CLICK HERE

To view Dr. Eric Edmond’s view on this issue CLICK HERE

ALSO READ:

Why can’t UKIP emulate the True Finns?

THE PICTURE SAYS IT ALL!
I do believe had John Left Marta Andreasen fully in picture it might have been clearer as only being supported by his place people and liars and self seekers like his imported Spaniard Marta Andreasen are almost all that remains on his so called team!
& of course his determination to make prostitutes of his party by helping The EU with its policy to undemine National Politics by bribes to Pan EU Political Groups like Farage’s EFD Group prostituted for money to racists, xenophobes, reformers, anti Jewish that Farage now supports in Pan EU Politics speaks volumes of the man.

A performer of some merit but a leader bereft of talent or even basic ability as a leader.
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