ENSURING ACCURACY & THE TRUTH! Please HELP to keep the information flow running based on verifiable FACTS!
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may I commend the Junius team yet again for raising the debate on UKIP issues beyond that of the corrupt leadership clique and their vile and cowardly claque.
For those who wish to understand UKIP issues; without the lies and corrupt self serving spin, of those seeking enrichment for themselves and a few chums may I suggest: A thorough search of Junius blog and the various UKIP related blogs which I run.
Use of Junius’s Right Sidebar and also the Right Sidebar of: http://UKip-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com may well prove to be the best source of indisputable FACTS available.
I say indisputable FACTS for try as they might on a daily basis, to date, UKIP and its sycophants and lick spittles have failed in many 1,000s of postings to show a single solitary error of consequence in a single posting.
It has not been shown, despite the cowardly lies of the anonymous sock puppets or the blatant lies of UKIP NEC members and MEPs or salaried parasites that there has been a single solitary malicious, dishonest, corrupt or self serving posting made whether deliberately or accidentally that has NOT been true both in substance and detail.
AT ANY TIME anyone who spots an error of FACT whether they consider it to be accidental or intentional PLEASE PHONE ME on: 01594528337 or ‘e’Mail me at: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com
I WILL make ANY correction required for ANYONE giving their proper name and an identifiable phone land line (IN CONFIDENCE, which weeds out the liars and political scum like Skeptyk, Independent UKIP, Gothmog and the like).
The serial lies and distortions of the likes of these are of little consequence as they carry zero credibility however often they may repeat their lies as over many 1,000s of blogs, eMails and forum postings despite their oft repeated lies that claim this blog is dishonest and lies they have NEVER ONCE provided an instance where these postings I have made have in ANY WAY been consequentially wrong or inaccurate – little wonder they are unwilling to put even their faux reputations to the test by putting their own name to their lies!
Sadly I find I need virus & spam filters to weed out the more obsessed liars and fantasists like Mick McGough (who sent my spam filter around 20,000 unpleasant & tasteless spam eMails – a measure of the caliber of UKIP is this vile little man is an NEC member and a UKIP candidate for the EU’s London assembly having lied & cheated to become an MEP candidate in the past – CLICK HERE).
Douglas Denny has been another serial public nuisance with his delusional lies and fantasies.
BUT they are not alone amongst UKIP’s leadership!
Little wonder that so many prominent activists have lest UKIP in disgust CLICK HERE
MAY I ONCE AGAIN Make it VERY CLEAR:
Any item posted that is shown to be an error WILL be corrected and the error highlighted.
I do NOT remove articles from my blogs and am all too willing to apologise for any error I need to correct.
Similarly I will pass on any correction to The Junius team and will try to do so withing 36 hours and WILL report back to the complainant with any relevant response.
I trust this helps members and the public – particularly regular readers from the media to learn and provide the TRUTH & the FACTS.
On my own behalf & I’m sure on Junius‘s behalf our thanks for the steady flow of leaked info. exposing UKIP and others (which we use or pass on to others to use).
Our thanks to the many who ensure we maintain the accuracy and veracity of our postings and have done so for several years & many 1,000s of postings both on our own blogs, YouTube, eMails & Forums.
PS. You will note I ONLY publish the facts which I am willing to put my name to, and I do NOT use obfuscating or deliberately misleading identities to make ANY Posting on the internet on ANY subject.
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prof. Tim Congdon (economist) on British Jobs in The EU!!
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Hi,
frequently politicians lie to support their dishonest position or personal ambitions.
We have all heard politicians misquoting or outright lieing about the statistic that 3.5 million Britishjobs are dependent on our continued membership of The EU.This was a statistic first quoted by the IPPR report commissioned by The Labour Party of Tony Blair, which we all now know was all to happy to lie to achieve its aims!
The figure WAS 3.5 million but it went on to make very clear, in the report, that were Britain to leave The EU these jobs would not be lost but alter and in fact that within 6 months of leaving the EU it was likely there would be a net rise in the number of British jobs related to The EU.
To clarify the source of the lies it is worth noting that the figure of ‘jobs being dependent on the EU’ was from a report commissioned by The Labour Party and when Blair and others quoted it dishonestly out of context the director of The IPPR who produced the report was most outspoken and stated that ‘…never had he seen facts so dishonestly misquoted out of context’ and he resigned!Firstly the report made it clear that the jobs were dependent on The EU, NOT on membership of The EU, and it went on to make it very clear that leaving The EU would not only cause a probable INCREASE in jobs within 6 months but that our trader defecit with The EU would most probably greatly improve.
Further The EU Commission made it VERY clear that when we leave the EU there would be absolutely no consideration of any type of trade sanctions against our goods, services or peoples.
The director of the IPPR responsible for the report stated that he had NEVER known of a more dishonest misrepresentation of a report as that used to imply a catastrophic outcome in leaving The EU and he withdrew his name/support for the report.
Further it was made very clear by Neil Kinnock, at the time An EU Commissioner, that there would be no change in Britain’s relationship and trade if Britain left The EU. No loss of jobs, no snctions, no penalties.
The EU would continue to wish to trade with us – if for no other reason than that The EU needed Britain as an export market, for their goods and services, as they exported more to Britain than they imported from Britain.
There are in fact some 6 million jobs in The EU due to their relationship with Britain! The EU would not wish to jeopardise these jobs or the healthy trade inbalance in their favour with Britain.
You may find the following YouTube video from Prof. Tim Congdon of somer help in understanding these details – following the video is the text of his presentation:
This text has been mailed out by Tim Congdon and is fairly similar to the text of the video you have just watched:
Dear fellow members of UKIP (and others concerned about the UK’s relationship with the EU), British enthusiasts for the European Union have one favourite argument. They assert, time and again, that – if we leave the EU – three million jobs are “at risk”. The Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, made this claim on the Today programme on BBC Radio Four on 31st October last year. To quote,
“There are three million of our fellow citizens, men and women, in this country whose jobs rely directly on our participation and role and place in what is after all the world’s largest borderless single market with 500 million consumers right on our doorstep… isolation costs jobs, costs growth, costs people’s livelihood.”
If it were true that three million jobs would be endangered by our withdrawing from the EU, that would matter hugely. But in fact the Clegg proposition is untrue. The three-million-jobs-at-risk claim must be demolished; it is a myth and must be shown up as such.
Members of the UK Independence Party, and indeed everyone who wants to recover our country’s full independence, have the facts and figures at their fingertips on this subject. I have therefore prepared a Youtube video on the subject, with the link below. It is again conveyed as “a fireside chat”, with my remarks based on a Powerpoint presentation. The presentation is attached as a PDF file, as well as in both PPT and PPTX formats. (May I suggest that the best way to watch the video is to crosscheck with a printed version of the Powerpoint file? As before, I am hugely grateful to Alan and Marilyn Day for their magnificent help in producing and editing the Youtube video. There will be further “fireside chats” on economic themes for UKIP members in coming months.)
Roughly speaking, almost 30 million people are at work in the UK today and our exports to the EU are equal to about 10% of national output. That is how Clegg arrives at his “three million jobs at risk” notion. But he is talking rot. The central point is that, if we left the EU, we would continue to have exports to the EU equal to about 10% of output. Swiss and Norwegian exports to the EU are much more than 10% of their national outputs, but they are not EU members. If we left the EU, trade patterns might indeed change over time. Some (very small) reduction in the share of the EU in our exports would probably be offset by some (very small) increase in the share of the rest of the world, but the overall impact would be marginal.
The virtual certainty that existing trade patterns would continue, with little change, is the central point in demolishing the three-million-jobs-at-risk myth. However, I thought I might reinforce the pro-independence argument by looking at the data on employment in our country since we joined the “Common Market”/EEC/EU in 1973. The results of the exercise astonished me – and I think they will astonish you as well.
Three big facts emerged. First, employment in the UK was about one million lower in 1983 than it was in 1973, after a decade of Common Market membership. I do not generally believe in naïve post hoc propter hoc arguments. But – if the other side resorts to low-grade jibes (and they do) – then we may have the capacity to do the same. Crudely, if they say “leaving the EU will destroy jobs”, we can hit back and say “a million jobs were destroyed in the first decade of our Common Market/EU membership”. And that is fact from official statistics!
Secondly, the number of men of British birth in work in our country today is lower now than it was in 1972, before we joined the Common Market/EU. No jobs have been created for men by almost 40 years of our association with “the European construction”. (The number of women in employment has risen sharply, but that has nothing to do with the EU.)
Thirdly, in the last seven years the number of UK-born people in employment has fallen by about a million, whereas the number of foreign-born people at work here has risen by over a million. That jump in the number of foreigners in employment must have included a large element of East European workers who could participate in our labour market (and compete with our own people) only because we belonged to the EU.
The figures invite the conclusion that “EU membership allowed foreign workers to take away jobs from British workers”, even if they do not prove that conclusion. Certainly, the notion that “EU membership creates jobs” is bunkum. (I suspect the theft of UK jobs by lower-paid immigrants is part of the explanation for the Bradford West by-election result. Let me make clear that I loathe George Galloway.)
I will be writing up these points in pamphlets and articles in the next year or two. But please spread them around at public meetings, branch meetings, letters to the local papers, in leaflets and booklets, and so on. Clegg didn’t know what he was talking about. His remarks on the Today programme last October were claptrap. We have Claptrap Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister and Cast-Iron Cameron as Prime Minister. What a pair of expensively-educated drips.
With best wishes,
Tim
(Prof. Tim Congdon economist)
I trust this helps you in future to dispel the lie that 3.5 million British jobs would be lost when we leave The EU.
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